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In response to your question the chin rest seemed to mute some of the tone. I did feel that the sound improved in that it muted the shrill nuances emanating from your instrument. I believe the chin rest improved your sound overall. It took the miewing plaintiff sounds and suppressed them. I feel your chin rest not unlike a mute. I have been not using a chin rest to allow the bottom g side lower bout to resonate freely. From day I with my first violin teacher he said to use a paper clip to tighten the rungs of the chin rest without ivertightening. The paperclip will bend if your too snug with the clamps. A chinrest is nice because it keeps off all the oils from the chin from fouling the lower bout. And that is very important should the violin need re glued. The chinrest keeps the jaw from deadening some of the tone from the lower bouts. On the other hand the instrument is not suppressed by the squeezing action of the chinrest. I like the intimacy of contact with the instrument and can just wipe off the chin oil after I'm through playing. I also understand that the waffled carpet pad makes a great chin pad. I hope to try this but have not to date. Bye for now, chris e. In west coast usa.😅
Thank you so much for this video! 💛I have a Kreddle chin rest and noticed some improvement, but also a sound change and “need to grip” just like you. I’ve been making do with it as I haven’t found a chin rest and shoulder rest combo that’s better. Your video inspired me to keep looking and not settle. Thanks so much!
Happy New Year, Holly! I’m glad to hear that your experience is similar to mine. And yes, I hope you can find something that is comfortable for you. Good luck!
Dear Dr.Lynn. Hi again from your loyal followers in Southern Oregon. My name is Chris E. Have been working on The Visitors by abba. It has a nice drole deep g bass line. I have matched the frequencies pretty well at A=441 on tugged out strings. My a is a gut replacement amongst the 3 remaining steel and aluminum and nickle strings. Thanks for your chin wrest vidio. Currently playing both violins w. O. Chin rest. For better tone.❤
Yes! There was a difference. The second was more muffled but smoother. The first was jarring and more jabbing! A good word would be startling! Your second was less startling more muffled or muted but smoother. Originally my great grandfather had a cremona copy by sears and when i recieved it it had a kidney shaped very thin only1/8 inch from top plate. It was without a ledge or roll, just a shiny polished black kidney shape no ledge for grip of chin
Continued from user do, all this to say my student violin has a wooden chin rest but now seems too high and like a Boulder in my neck. It's very uncomfortable. I may hack it down with a small plane or use a Drexel tool to re cup the rest. I have stuck felt disks along the edge and covered with ace bandage type of athletic elastic but I got tired of that and felt that there was no freedom of my head to move. Like I was locked in. I didn't like that feeling. So I removed both violins chin rests and played bare back for a while. But then I decide I want the support to do vibrato and hold instrument with my chin, so now I back to using chim rest. I like the idea of using your cradel chinrest but feel it is too high.. I think I will plane off some material from my wooden chin rest on my student instrument. I have an everest shoulder rest with I've stuck o balled up sock at one end; seems pretty good. The shoulder rest I want is the Libero, but it comes in three heights and I'm not sure which height to order! Pluss it's too expensive if I can't find correct height. Did you know Dr. Kwou! That you can stick felt disks around edge and wrap your chin rest with athletic bandage to achieve a pretty comfortable chin rest at a fraction the cost of a custom chinrest? I used this method for a short couple of weeks and I could hold my instrument with my head and no left hand. I may go back to this myself. In all honesty I feel that the cradle too high and put me way over the finger board almost like Indian fiddler. I like fingerboard to be at eye level so I can watch my fingers. I'm glad for you you seem to have pretty good fit for your particular anatomy. All my needs are to get my chin off the top plate, hold the instrument so I don't use lft thumb and at least have some movement to look around without feeling locked in. I know that's a tall order but that's what I need. Youve been very helpful Dr.Kwo thank you! Most greatful! C.e.on west coast usa.😅
I did not notice improvement in sound but I think what is key is your comfort. I just sent for one of these and the pad they offer for the collar bone. Hope it is comfortable - thanks for the review
@@violynnkuo thank you - I enjoyed watching your free workshop this morning. Great motivational advice that is important stuff for life and musicianship - attitude, being focused, clear direction, control of environment, all necessary to advance - application for violin and all aspects of life I think. I love being a beginner and have a good teacher but desire to advance. When I am advanced I will see if you are still offering instruction. Meanwhile I look forward to more of your videos
Good question, Brett! I actually have no idea, haha. But it requires a loop-end E string. Sorry, I don't know but it came with the instrument when I purchased it.
Hi Dr Lynn, Thank you so much for your video. It just happens that I am shopping for a new chin rest at the moment because I am not comfortable with my present setup, even after trying several options. I had hundreds of questions before watching your video, but you answered most of them. I am comparing the Kreddle with the Wave chin rest. One of the drawbacks of the Kreddle is that I find the surface too small for me. Did you ever try the Wave chinrest? Could you share with us the price range of the custom made chinrest as compared to the Kreddle? How long did it take to manufacture? I could not find Peter’s phone number or email address on the web. Would you mind sharing it with us? Thank you so much for your answers.
Thanks for watching, Mohammed! I also felt the same about the Kréddle: I wanted more surface area for my jaw as well. And Peter Purich’s chin rest costs a bit more compared to the Kréddle after taxes and shipping however, it’s made of wood (compared to plastic) and it comes with a personal and extensive consultation with Peter at his workshop, which I really appreciated. Oh, and a center-mounted chin rest is essential for me because I don’t have long arms and can’t get my bow to the tip with a straight angle unless the chin rest is center-mounted.
Dear @ Moham, if you can find an old RothWaller #3 it was the style I used on my great grandfathers violin. It was comfortable,broad and had a nice curb to lock my chin. It might work for you or at least be a starting point for you to begin. You can buy dollar tree felt disks and stick them along the back edge of your current chin rest then there is an elastic athletic bandage that is self clinging and you can cover the chin rest with that for comfort. It's an inexpensive way to get better cradle for your jaw. It's like a trampoline once the felts get covered. Hope this helps!😅
Thank you Dr Lynn, can you share the coordinates of Peter Purich? I am in Montreal, so it should be convenient to visit with him, but I could not find his telephone number on Google. Thank you so much.
I am a beginning student, 3-months in, and have a basketball player build including long arms and neck. I found the chin rest that comes with my student violin is too low to give proper head support. Just ordered a side mounted Kreddle chin rest with the shoulder pad option. I play without a shoulder rest and Per Kreddle there should be no period of transition with their chin rest as some users of shoulder rest’s can run into. Will hold my opinion on that until after I try it! In the end, the most important thing is to find something to give comfort, proper support, and avoid injury.
Sounds like your mic changed or moved when you did the comparisons between the two rests. I doubt that any setup change could make such an extreme change in sound. That said, I've been doing custom fittings for a few years now, and I'm playing on a Teka chin rest top lifted about 10mm. It has a large flat area similar to the rest you are playing. Like you, I dropped the shoulder rest for a while, but ultimately found that certain rep is just too difficult to play without the added support of a shoulder rest. Still, the Kredle sounds interesting, in that it gives you the ability to make a lot of changes on the fly as to encourage experimentation. It might be a quick way to get a student set up, if she/he isn't ready for a formal fitting session.
Thanks for watching, Bill. I didn't make any mic changes when I compared the two shoulder rests and there was indeed a sound difference between the two rests. And agreed, the easy customization of the Kréddle can certainly facilitate flexible experimentation in the beginning stages.
I found the Kreddle to be too tall even with the lowest setting. I also didn’t like how it projected out from the instrument. That custom CR looks nice.
Thanks for sharing, John! I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one who tried it and decided it wasn’t the right fit. 🙂 What chin rest do you use now?
You have sharp ears, Kenya! I definitely also noticed that the sound wasn't favourable with the Kréddle chin rest and yes, I also remember my head feeling a little locked in place. I think I had raised the height too high for my head to feel mobile. Good observations! You must be a teacher/performer as well, Kenya?
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that violin screw is so cute though!
I have to look in my case to see if it's still hiding in there! :D
In response to your question the chin rest seemed to mute some of the tone. I did feel that the sound improved in that it muted the shrill nuances emanating from your instrument. I believe the chin rest improved your sound overall. It took the miewing plaintiff sounds and suppressed them. I feel your chin rest not unlike a mute. I have been not using a chin rest to allow the bottom g side lower bout to resonate freely. From day I with my first violin teacher he said to use a paper clip to tighten the rungs of the chin rest without ivertightening. The paperclip will bend if your too snug with the clamps. A chinrest is nice because it keeps off all the oils from the chin from fouling the lower bout. And that is very important should the violin need re glued. The chinrest keeps the jaw from deadening some of the tone from the lower bouts. On the other hand the instrument is not suppressed by the squeezing action of the chinrest. I like the intimacy of contact with the instrument and can just wipe off the chin oil after I'm through playing. I also understand that the waffled carpet pad makes a great chin pad. I hope to try this but have not to date. Bye for now, chris e. In west coast usa.😅
Great comment, Chris! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for this video! 💛I have a Kreddle chin rest and noticed some improvement, but also a sound change and “need to grip” just like you. I’ve been making do with it as I haven’t found a chin rest and shoulder rest combo that’s better. Your video inspired me to keep looking and not settle. Thanks so much!
Happy New Year, Holly!
I’m glad to hear that your experience is similar to mine. And yes, I hope you can find something that is comfortable for you.
Good luck!
That’s a gorgeous finish on your violin.
Thanks, John! It was just polished before I filmed! And yes, it was looking pretty slick then. Now, the lustre has diminished. 😅
Dear Dr.Lynn. Hi again from your loyal followers in Southern Oregon. My name is Chris E. Have been working on The Visitors by abba. It has a nice drole deep g bass line. I have matched the frequencies pretty well at A=441 on tugged out strings. My a is a gut replacement amongst the 3 remaining steel and aluminum and nickle strings. Thanks for your chin wrest vidio. Currently playing both violins w. O. Chin rest. For better tone.❤
Sounds great, Chris! Glad to hear about your playing experiments!
Yes! There was a difference. The second was more muffled but smoother. The first was jarring and more jabbing! A good word would be startling! Your second was less startling more muffled or muted but smoother. Originally my great grandfather had a cremona copy by sears and when i recieved it it had a kidney shaped very thin only1/8 inch from top plate. It was without a ledge or roll, just a shiny polished black kidney shape no ledge for grip of chin
Continued from user do, all this to say my student violin has a wooden chin rest but now seems too high and like a Boulder in my neck. It's very uncomfortable. I may hack it down with a small plane or use a Drexel tool to re cup the rest. I have stuck felt disks along the edge and covered with ace bandage type of athletic elastic but I got tired of that and felt that there was no freedom of my head to move. Like I was locked in. I didn't like that feeling. So I removed both violins chin rests and played bare back for a while. But then I decide I want the support to do vibrato and hold instrument with my chin, so now I back to using chim rest. I like the idea of using your cradel chinrest but feel it is too high.. I think I will plane off some material from my wooden chin rest on my student instrument. I have an everest shoulder rest with I've stuck o balled up sock at one end; seems pretty good. The shoulder rest I want is the Libero, but it comes in three heights and I'm not sure which height to order! Pluss it's too expensive if I can't find correct height. Did you know Dr. Kwou! That you can stick felt disks around edge and wrap your chin rest with athletic bandage to achieve a pretty comfortable chin rest at a fraction the cost of a custom chinrest? I used this method for a short couple of weeks and I could hold my instrument with my head and no left hand. I may go back to this myself. In all honesty I feel that the cradle too high and put me way over the finger board almost like Indian fiddler. I like fingerboard to be at eye level so I can watch my fingers. I'm glad for you you seem to have pretty good fit for your particular anatomy. All my needs are to get my chin off the top plate, hold the instrument so I don't use lft thumb and at least have some movement to look around without feeling locked in. I know that's a tall order but that's what I need. Youve been very helpful Dr.Kwo thank you! Most greatful! C.e.on west coast usa.😅
@@ChrisEbbrsenBest of luck, Chris! It sounds like you have considerable experience going through a lot of gear!
I did not notice improvement in sound but I think what is key is your comfort. I just sent for one of these and the pad they offer for the collar bone. Hope it is comfortable - thanks for the review
You’re welcome and good luck with the Kréddle! Hope it works out for you!
@@violynnkuo thank you - I enjoyed watching your free workshop this morning. Great motivational advice that is important stuff for life and musicianship - attitude, being focused, clear direction, control of environment, all necessary to advance - application for violin and all aspects of life I think. I love being a beginner and have a good teacher but desire to advance. When I am advanced I will see if you are still offering instruction. Meanwhile I look forward to more of your videos
@@mrk1839I’m glad you enjoyed my free workshop! Have fun in your violin journey! You’ve chosen a challenging, but rewarding, instrument!
Thanks for the great video! Could I randomly ask what fine tuner you are using?
Good question, Brett! I actually have no idea, haha. But it requires a loop-end E string. Sorry, I don't know but it came with the instrument when I purchased it.
Hi Dr Lynn, Thank you so much for your video. It just happens that I am shopping for a new chin rest at the moment because I am not comfortable with my present setup, even after trying several options. I had hundreds of questions before watching your video, but you answered most of them.
I am comparing the Kreddle with the Wave chin rest. One of the drawbacks of the Kreddle is that I find the surface too small for me. Did you ever try the Wave chinrest?
Could you share with us the price range of the custom made chinrest as compared to the Kreddle? How long did it take to manufacture? I could not find Peter’s phone number or email address on the web. Would you mind sharing it with us?
Thank you so much for your answers.
Thanks for watching, Mohammed!
I also felt the same about the Kréddle: I wanted more surface area for my jaw as well.
And Peter Purich’s chin rest costs a bit more compared to the Kréddle after taxes and shipping however, it’s made of wood (compared to plastic) and it comes with a personal and extensive consultation with Peter at his workshop, which I really appreciated.
Oh, and a center-mounted chin rest is essential for me because I don’t have long arms and can’t get my bow to the tip with a straight angle unless the chin rest is center-mounted.
Dear @ Moham, if you can find an old RothWaller #3 it was the style I used on my great grandfathers violin. It was comfortable,broad and had a nice curb to lock my chin. It might work for you or at least be a starting point for you to begin. You can buy dollar tree felt disks and stick them along the back edge of your current chin rest then there is an elastic athletic bandage that is self clinging and you can cover the chin rest with that for comfort. It's an inexpensive way to get better cradle for your jaw. It's like a trampoline once the felts get covered. Hope this helps!😅
Thank you Dr Lynn, can you share the coordinates of Peter Purich? I am in Montreal, so it should be convenient to visit with him, but I could not find his telephone number on Google. Thank you so much.
I am a beginning student, 3-months in, and have a basketball player build including long arms and neck. I found the chin rest that comes with my student violin is too low to give proper head support. Just ordered a side mounted Kreddle chin rest with the shoulder pad option.
I play without a shoulder rest and Per Kreddle there should be no period of transition with their chin rest as some users of shoulder rest’s can run into. Will hold my opinion on that until after I try it!
In the end, the most important thing is to find something to give comfort, proper support, and avoid injury.
Hope it works out for you, Joseph! I know of at least four colleagues who use the Kréddle chin rest.
@@violynnkuo Thanks Dr. Lynn! Love your channel!
@@JosephMusgrove Aww, thanks so much Joseph!
Sounds like your mic changed or moved when you did the comparisons between the two rests. I doubt that any setup change could make such an extreme change in sound. That said, I've been doing custom fittings for a few years now, and I'm playing on a Teka chin rest top lifted about 10mm. It has a large flat area similar to the rest you are playing. Like you, I dropped the shoulder rest for a while, but ultimately found that certain rep is just too difficult to play without the added support of a shoulder rest.
Still, the Kredle sounds interesting, in that it gives you the ability to make a lot of changes on the fly as to encourage experimentation. It might be a quick way to get a student set up, if she/he isn't ready for a formal fitting session.
Thanks for watching, Bill. I didn't make any mic changes when I compared the two shoulder rests and there was indeed a sound difference between the two rests.
And agreed, the easy customization of the Kréddle can certainly facilitate flexible experimentation in the beginning stages.
I do have one question, what was the one you were using prior to this one? Good video by the way!
Thanks for watching! I was using a Flesch chin rest... for many, many years!
😉😉😉
I found the Kreddle to be too tall even with the lowest setting. I also didn’t like how it projected out from the instrument. That custom CR looks nice.
Thanks for sharing, John! I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one who tried it and decided it wasn’t the right fit. 🙂
What chin rest do you use now?
I bought the Kreddle. It's really ingenious, but I find that it's weak spot is the plate. I find it far too small.
Hi Sue, yes, that jaw plate is smaller than the average chin rest, for sure!
Sounded a bit muffled. Not as bright. Your head seemed more mobile in the before than after
You have sharp ears, Kenya!
I definitely also noticed that the sound wasn't favourable with the Kréddle chin rest and yes, I also remember my head feeling a little locked in place.
I think I had raised the height too high for my head to feel mobile.
Good observations! You must be a teacher/performer as well, Kenya?
In the second adjustment, the sound became much less.
I’m glad you could hear it even though the recording!
The second time was definitely muffled.
Good ears 👂! Happy New Year! 🎻 🎵
Read all about and see the photos of my chin rest and shoulder rest in my BLOG POST:
lynnkuo.com/blogs/violin-with-dr-lynn-40e15d45-8a44-4383-bae4-bfc603666170/posts/kreddle-chin-rest-review
Why do we always need music in the background
Interesting video with Peter Purich here: ruclips.net/video/oxUdSrqg21o/видео.html
Oh, thanks for sharing this, Stephen! Peter has such a beautiful view from his window. 🪟