The BEST BUDGET Brake Upgrade for your Honda - EK Civic Daily/Track Build Part 7
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this episode we do the best budget brake upgrade for your 90's honda and that is using Mini Cooper rotors, TSX pads, and ITR calipers. everything needed to do this upgrade is listed below. Like and Subscribe!
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How do you not have a million followers? This was a quality video man. Very informative and entertaining
I wish 😂 thanks man we really appreciate it
You can also use the 2000 crv calipers same size/bore
But they are 5 bolts instead of 4...
I think he means just the calipers
Are the spindles the same?
Don’t think so
@@Thommy002you need crv calipers (same size from ek9) 96-00 civic ex or si knuckles mini cooper rotors and TSX pads
This dude knows what he's talking about.... awesome video.
Thanks for the feedback!
I have a dx chassis too and have been kicking around bigger brake options. thanks for this. keep it up
Import from the UK MG ZS180 282mm Rotors, they fit like OEM including the retaining screw.
Where did you buy/import your MG rotors? The 25mm thickness isn’t an issue?
@@Minwary just order them from anyone that sells them and ships worldwide. Also use a 25T bracket instead of a 23T bracket. This is what i use on my CRX.
Thanks for the insight on the break upgrade. Really excited to see this come into play. Definitely going to help for the future honda build! Still Re-searching other options and what can and can't be applied to EK hatch Platform.
Thanks man!!
Wow. Amazing editing, got some talent. Underrated channel
Thank you so much 🙌🏼 we appreciate it
@@Gripworkz np you deserve it
Good vid. Doing this now for 95 del sol si, using non-type r integra knuckle/hubs & 5th gen prelude calipers had laying around (same as ITR).
Nice man!!
One thing - there is an option for 25mm rotors (MG ZR/ZS), but typically it's 1kg more. Plus more weight on caliper brackets.
Interesting 🤔 I wonder if thinner or modified brake pads are required.
@@Gripworkz not the pads - different rotor thickness require different brackets. For 282 rotors you have 3 different brackets 22t, 25t and 28t - each corresponding with rotor thickness. I got Mini r56 rotors that are 22mm, brackets from CRV - 22t and 2 pot calipers from Accord v6. You can go with MG ZR/ZS rotors that are 25mm but you need t25 bracket.
28t bracket is used in 4x114.4 and 5x100 rotors. Higher mass in brackets come from more metal for different rotor sizes.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info, I’m sure it’ll help others who are looking to do this upgrade.
Good video, I did this upgrade many times myself and all your information is correct. The only thing that didn’t make sense to me is why you took off the hub to get the studs out? Next time just do it on the car by turning the hub to clear the removal and installation of each stud and this job only takes a few minutes per side.
On an EX/DC2 spindle? If I recall doing it in the car isn’t possible. I could be wrong though and I could’ve wasted a bunch of time lol
*_I got to do this on my Ek Hatch someday 🔥_*
Wait till you see the next brake setup
@@Gripworkz*_Ay0o 💯_* Can't wait 🔥
Great in depth install. I’d recommend looking into the lug centric spacers for the mini cooper rotors.
I do have them I’ve just been too lazy to install them lol
The lug-centric rings aren’t necessary. The pressure from the wheel clamps the rotor on with ample pressure.
Yes. I still haven’t installed them and have not found them necessary. They’re more of a “piece of mind” item if you deem it necessary. But I’ve put plenty of street/highway/track miles on the car since that upgrade and haven’t had a single issue.
@@anthonylusano6906which is great if you get the rotor centered when you clamp it down. But if the rotor is off center when you clamp it down, your rotor is offset by 1mm, which could lead to shaking similar to a wheel that isn't balanced.
Your wheel isn't going to fall off. Your rotor isn't going to spin while braking. It's a balance issue. If you don't have that problem, that's great!
But the shims are $14.
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I'm rocking with your channel brother
Thanks 🤙🏼
When you complete the install, did you have any issues with the brake pedal being spongy?
Nope, no issues. Just bleed the brakes after doing something like this.
Seems like a lot of extra parts and work for little upgrade? I'd say if you are tracking a B series, stock size will be fine.
Oh it’s quite a big upgrade, that’s why it’s so popular. And B series or not, better brakes will always make a big difference on a track. Larger caliper, larger piston size, larger brake pad surface, larger rotor, much more thermal capacity, well worth it.
Morning bro, awesome vid. Wanted to make sure if I can apply this to an EK 98 hatchback. Currently the spacers are Out of stock. Know where I can get some.
Also I already have integra disc brakes all around.
As long as you have EX or integra spindles you can do this upgrade. I left links to everything in the description too.
Hey new to your channel. Love the content. So all this will bolt right up to the ex knuckles with no problem? I have a 99 civic ex?
Thanks for subscribing! Yes as long as you have EX spindles you’re good to go for this upgrade.
Why did you not use the Alethia hub centric spacers for the lugs? The rotors are gonna smack against the lugs cause the mini cooper has wider lug diameter.
I did eventually, they took like 2 months to arrive
Thanks for the info bro!!!
I want to do that upgrade for my ek hatch, but I have a question and it is the following: do I also have to change the brake master?
Well to be honest we didn’t change ours. We did this upgrade on both our EK and EG and both cars get driven at the track often and we haven’t had a single issue.
@@Gripworkz thanks for clearing me up! 👍🏻👍🏻
GREAT JOB
Thank you! Even better brake setup video coming soon
I have a 1992 civic si hatch. Do I have to change the spindle or hub? I also seen other videos where you can use a 2000 CR-V brake caliper?
This will be on a gsr blades and 5mm spacer stock studs. I have the 90 Honda 15/16 brake cylinder already. Just want better stopping power for street daily. Tired of that stock 9.3"
No your spindles should work fine if your car is an SI. And as far as CRV calipers go, they’re the same as Integra Type R
What’s the offset or specs on your wheels?
I wish my rotor retainer screws came out that easily lmao
These came out easy because I recently worked on it lol but there’s a special tool to remove those screws. I think it’s called an impact screwdriver.
@@Gripworkz i usually just take a chisel and hammer to them. They pop right off lol
Damn 😳😂
Whats the difference between EX and DX spindles? Asking as I need to identify which spindles I currently have installed.
I can’t find a way to identify an EX or DX spindle so I guess what I’d do is take a bunch of photos of the spindle on your car then go online and compare
Dude your a life saver!! Thank you...btw.. Is that rock auto website where you buy the remanufactured calipers a well-known site, I’ve never heard of it. Either way appreciate your help
They’re SUPER well known, totally credible 👍🏼
@@Gripworkz awesome! Hey are u a SoCal native?? I’m only asking because my older son wants to get into weekends track events with my 95 civic and I wanted to pick your brain about all that. Lol
Yeah we’re here in SoCal!
@@Gripworkz I just had a few questions on tracking my 95 civic.. would it be possible for me to pick your brain for like 10 minutes? I’m also in SoCal. I don’t know what that looks like a zoom meeting or something...lol.
We try to answer questions in the comments as much as possible, that way everyone out there can read them if they need help. I’m more than happy to answer all your questions here 👍🏼
Hey bro thanks for ur video,I have a 1997 Honda civic dx hatchback am goin to upgrade the my break I ofto change the master cylinder and booster too?
You shouldn’t have to, what are you doing exactly?
Am using mini copper rator type r caliper I also have the break pads on knuckle already.just wanna know if I should get a break booster on master cylinder
If you’re doing the front only no. If you’re converting the rear to disc we recommend getting a proportioning valve from a rear disc car
Ok thanks alot bro,am goin to convert the rear but not now thou but I'll get the valve
Which of the valve is the best one to get?
the only reason i need better brakes for my civic is because the stock brakes give me a lot of fade. after 80-0 too quickly my brakes are faded out and are useless.
You can try race pads first it’ll help fade a lot
What year EX did you use? I have a 98 EK hatch and was wondering if I can use 96-00 civic EX hub.
It shouldn’t matter, any year EK that’s an EX model
@@Gripworkz Thank you for a great video and tutorial. looking forward for my big brake set up.
I have an EK hatch and doing a complete DC2 front and rear disc conversion. Will this set up work with DC2 front spindle? And does it require any mods or addition parts?@Gripworkz
Not sure if your answered this in another reply but what master brake cylinder do you use and did you have to upgrade to account for the extra volume needed to push the bigger pistons- the EX uses a 7/8 the DX uses the 13/16
I left the original DX master and proportioning valve. Not sure if that’s the way to go but the brakes felt awesome to me at the track, no complaints with that combination
@@Gripworkz thanks for the reply - thinking about it - wouldn’t 7/8 equal 14/16? Maybe there is not much difference between the volume of fluid transferred to the larger pistons between the 14/16 ex and 13/16 dx master cylinders?
If those are in fact the sizes of the two then the 1/16” difference is measurerable but I can’t predict how noticeable that would be in the real world
Did you use the tension clip that came with your calibers or the TSX. Take pads?
Type r
I have my DX spindles still. I was wondering if all of this would still work if i got the FastBrakes brake caliper bracket adapter that pretty much makes my DX spindles have the same mount point as an EX? I'm planning to do this for just overall improved stopping power because people drive crazy where i live lol. If not, I'll just get better rotors, new calipers (my passenger side leaking), and new pads for DX trim.
How much is the fast brake kit? I got EX spindles for a different build at a junkyard and they were pretty cheap. The EX and integra also utilize larger wheel bearings which is a plus if you’re racing.
@@Gripworkz yeah the cost is kind of a lot for just the adapters at i believe $165 or so 😬😬😬
I could just go to a junk yard and get EX spindles and replace the bearings and refresh, etc
Well there’s the price of the EX spindles (which isn’t a lot) but there are other things to factor in depending on how much work you want to do. Take this white civic for example: I did remove the spindle and replaced the wheel bearings and ball joints, there are tools you’ll need to either buy or rent to do that or you’ll need to pay a shop to do it. So the cost kind of balances out. Also if you’re using just replacement parts or upgrading to say roll center correction ball joints.
@@Gripworkz would this work on my EM1 spindles?
@@jona10silva yes
Does this work for dx knuckles?
No it doesn’t
Hey man urgent question what were the caliper reference? 17cl15vn?
I have no idea, that was 2 years ago
Will this work on the rear (*IF REAR ALREADY HAS DISK UPGRADE?*)
Front only
I’m wanting to do this but there’s not a link to the ARP extended wheel studs and did you leave the rear studs the same ? Didn’t feel unbalanced or anything?
Just look up ARP wheel studs for basically any Honda and the rear studs are factory, it will not cause an imbalance.
Can I ask why you don’t use the 294mm or 300mm disc ?? I’m hoping to use
Fn2 calipers
2mm shaved fn2 carriers
294 or 300mm mini 4x100 disc
To sit under 16x8 enkei rpf1’s
?? Any insight
I don’t believe the 294mm rotors work with these type r calipers and brackets. I will be doing a second “budget brake kit” in the near future that utilizes the 294mm rotors from the Mini Cooper JCW
@@Gripworkz I’ve got some fn2 calipers and carriers on the way now , I want to use a 300mm disc ideally not redrilled if possible so all I’ll need is the jcw discs not stock copper 282 ??
My hubs are 262 right now on a stock ej6 setup
Thanks you got reply you’ve gained a subscriber lol
I’m not sure about the FN2 calipers, we never had the FN2 platform here in the US so I have no way of knowing how that setup would work
Did you upgrade the brake master cylinder?
No we did not
Do you recommend any specific remanufactured type r caliper brand, or will any set work from rockauto?
I think we used Cardone
Great Thank You those are the same ones i had in my cart.@@Gripworkz
2000 civic dx hatch. Do I need to change my soindle
I believe so
I have a 2000 Si can I use the stock spindle or do I need an EX spindle??
Si should be fine
what are the specs on your wheels that didnt fit? i have the exact same wheel style and wanna know. thank you
They were 15x6.5 +35 I THINK, it’s been a while since I sold those wheels I don’t remember too well to be honest
do you think these would fit for stock EM1 wheels?
I’m not sure, I’ve never test fit those
Can I run stock Integra fat fives with this set up?
Not sure you’ll have to try it
Did you ever upgrade to the integra gsr or itr 1inch master cylinder and brake booster?
Actually no, it’s the stock master, booster, and proportioning valve. Felt great at the track.
@@Gripworkz ex lx or dx?
Actually the master might be EX, bc I took it off my crashed EX, but everything else is DX
@@Gripworkz ok cool thanks
The link u provided for the rotors . Is that pair at front set? Or do I need out quantity of 2?
They’re individual
@@Gripworkz ok so order 2 . Was wondering why You didn’t go with drilled slotted? Will that work too?
That would work too, just not necessary
@@Gripworkz sweet I’m abt to order it now! Thank u man
part # on arp studs?
is it 100-7711?
Not too sure this was a few years ago, but I’m sure the ARP website will have that information
I did the same setup. I have lot of brake squeals. Dose yours make a lot of noise when braking?
Yes, the hawk HP plus pads squeak and make a lot of dust, that’s the trade off of having track pads 🤷🏻♂️ worth it to us.
@@Gripworkz is there any other brake pads you’d recommend for daily use that’ll go with this upgrade ? A more quiet brake pad
Any ceramic pads
Just finished this job on mine but my pedal feels mush till almost bottom then it actually grabs i did leave the brake hose dripping for a few days before installing and bleeding the front brakes any other tips on why they feel like they grab at the bottom end
It just sounds like you need to bleed the brakes better. But bleed all 4 corners. Start with the right real corner, then rear left, then front right, and front left last.
@@Gripworkz cool thank you I will
Not a problem, let me know if you need any more help
@@Gripworkz i also noticed you didn't use the bushing stud spacers on the rotor to fill in the gap on the stud hole are you having any issues with it
I have them in the glovebox but haven’t installed them. I haven’t noticed any issues whatsoever. I’ll report on that in a future track prep video.
Will these work on the 93 delsol si spindles?
Not sure about del sol
What wheel specs are you running? My 15x8 25 offset doesn’t clear fully .
Your wheel might not have enough back pad, have you tried running a small spacer with extended wheel studs?
@@Gripworkz haven’t tried spacer but I do have extended studs , thinking of getting new wheels so was wondering around what specs can I stay at around 15 if not I’ll move to 16s.
I’m running a 15x8 +28 I believe and I have plenty of room, still depends on the wheel spoke design though
How do you ensure that the rotor gets and stays centered onto the hub?
Nvm just came across your vid of this upgrade on the EG and it was mentioned that the Mini rotors have the same hub bore. It must have been an illusion and looked bigger in this video.
Yeah same bore, fits perfect
Do you need ITR knuckles or spindles?
No
How different is it with non type r parts, just normal integra parts 🤔
It’s still really good, but it mostly depends on what you want to do with your car
Would this be.a major improvement if upgrading from the Integra gsr front setup?
It depends on what you do. If you’re planning on going to the track, it’s worth it. If not, stick with what you got.
are lx and ex spindles the same? for a 6th gen
No, EX spindles are different
I have the same brake upgrade but my pedal feels super spongy , did you change the m/c or brake booster
No, you probably just need to bleed it.
@@Gripworkz thanks for the fast reply , I had bleed the system already but that didn’t fix the issue made sure there were no leaks as well
I’d just go over the entire braking system and endure there isn’t anything work out or damaged. The pedal should not feel spongy if it’s bled properly.
@@Gripworkz thanks a lot man will do
@@JonathanRamos-rr8yy did you get the problem fixed?
Hello, I have 16x7.5 +42 wheels on a 98 ex, will this clear?
Not sure we only tried those wheels I have
@@Gripworkz what size are your wheels?
15x6.5 +35
Great info, thanks for the links too. Would you know if 15” rims would clear them? I currently have 16’s but will be buying a set of 15” rims. What size were your wheels? Thanks.
Those wheels were 15x6.5 +35 I believe but your mileage may vary. As you saw I had to run a spacer to clear the caliper. The wheels that are on there now didn’t require a spacer. Diameter, offset and spoke design will differ from wheel to wheel
@@Gripworkz awesome, thanks again. I’ve got 16x7.5 +35 but plan on getting a set of 15x7.5 +35. I think it should be fine. 👍🏽😀
which brand remanufactured did you go with? centric and etc?
Everything we used should be linked in the description
@@Gripworkz I clicked in the link. It noticed there’s many options to choose from.
Well if you’re asking about rotors we used centric coated rotors
@@Gripworkz not the rotors. The brake calibers.
Whatever Oreilly’s sells lol
Is this 4x114.3??
4x100
Would this work on a 95 EG?
Yes
Hi so did you have to change your master cylinder at all?
Nope, worked just fine with the stock one. Brake balance feels fine.
So are you running the factory dx master cylinder and brake booster or the ex one?
Yup, stock DX master cylinder
Cool thank you
No problem 👍🏼
Does it matter if the spindles are from a ex coupe or a ex sedan anyone know
Is there a difference between the two ??? I've order 3 sets of bearings and hubs and all three sets the bearings are to big wtf
I personally took the spindle off a ex sedan and can the bearings I keep getting be from a coupe is that the reason why the bearings are a tab to big ?
If you got the spindles off an EX, the bearings will be the same size as an integra. If your bearing seems too big, you’re probably trying to use DX or base model bearings. Also keep in mind that bearings and hubs have to be pressed in.
@@Gripworkz nope went to my local auto Palace parts store had them match up the bearings, they were sending me the wrong bearings all along online, I ordered 3 sets for 2000 ex coupe all were wrong finally got the correct part # from auto Palace and ordered me the correct bearings and hubs fourth time a charm,,,I have no clue WTF they selling online one set of bearings and hubs I could slide the hub into the bearing with my hand
And off coarse I know bearing and hubs get pressed in just like they get pressed out
Cool, glad you figured it out
@@Gripworkz but do you know if the ex sedan and ex coupe use different size bearings ?
No it’s the same bearing
will DX spindles work or should i upgrade to ex or ITR spindles
EX/DC2
@@Gripworkz abs or non? idk if theres a difference
There shouldn’t be but aim for non abs
@@Gripworkz ok then lemme get your opinion, go with ex spindles and buy the “BBK”
Or
Go and get a rear disc conversion first
Rear disk. Upgrade the trailing arm bushings while you’re at it. You’ll have more braking balance this way.
What size wheel do you have ?
15x6.5 +35
I have the same kit and the caliper bracket o n the inside rubs against the rotors. Looks like I need to have a machine shop mill the calipers to clear?
That’s weird, everything should clear. Are you using EX spindles? Or integra?
Wat size r u rota wheels?
Go through the comments I’m pretty sure it’s in there somewhere
Will this fit in the rear ?
No, but there is a rear disc upgrade as well, we just haven’t done it.
Share what?
Dc2 calipers? Or dc5 calipers?
DC2 Type R
@@Gripworkz sound thank you I have a ev1 prefacelift which come with the eg hubs 4 stud. I’m just hoping they will be a straight swap
I’m running 15x7 +25mm do you think my wheels will clear?
Not sure, you’ll have to try it out
Why does every video for this brake swap call the "knuckle" a spindle???? Thats not correct....just saying
Because that’s what they’re known as in the community 🤷🏻♂️
What year mini copper ?
I’m pretty sure I mentioned the year somewhere in the video
What size are those rims? because im also worried about running into clearance issues..
They’re 15x6.5”
I haven't not bought new wheels yet, would this have needed spacers with 16 inch wheels?
I’m really not sure. As you say my 15” wheels required a spacer. And that could vary even with other styles of 15” wheels as well. So it really depends.
@@Gripworkz you think it'd work with 99-00 EM1 wheels? (15")
I’m pretty sure they will, but be prepared to add a 10mm spacer if they don’t clear the calipers
What year TSX pads?
04-08
What is the difference between the tsx pads and oem itr pads? Why the need for tsx?
Is that 15 inch rims can it work with the big brake setup?
Which big brake setup?
15” wheels fit this brake upgrade.
The wheel offset and spoke shape will affect fitment as well.