Acura Integra / Honda Civic OEM Big Brake Options for 5x114
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2020
- This video is for 92-00 Honda Civic and 94-01 Acura Integra that have gone 5x114 with the 98+ Integra Type R, DC2R or the Civic Type R, EK9 front brakes, knuckle and hubs.
You have converted your 4X100 to 5X114 using DC2R or EK9 CTR knuckles, and you still want bigger brakes but don't want to spend lots of$$$$$$ on the aftermarket, this video is for you!!
Laying out the options for going bigger brakes using OEM calipers and rotors
Comparison Charts at:
2:31 Stock Civic vs DC2R Setup
7:08 DC2R vs 9th Gen Si, TSX, TL-S Setup
11:41 DC2R vs Genesis/Rogue Setup
I lay out the options of what other OEM upgrades you can do increase braking performance.
- Stock Civic Calipers and Rotors, 51mm Piston, 242x21mm Rotors
- DC2R Calipers and Rotors, 57mm Piston, 282x23mm Rotors
- 9th Gen Si Calipers and Rotors, 57mm Piston, 300x25mm Rotors
- TSX Calipers and Rotors, 57mm Piston, 300X28mm Rotors
- TL-S Brembo Caliper and Rotors, 38/42mm Pistons, 310x25mm Rotors
- Genesis Brembo Calipers and Nissan Rogue 3rd Row Seat Rotors, 42/42mm Pistons, 320x28mm Rotors
Just to be clear the parts you need are the front Brembo calipers from a 2010 - 2016 Hyundai Genesis with Track Pack and the front rotors from a 2014 - 2017 Nissan Rogue with 3rd row seating.
See Genesis Brembo Install Video by FFAttack • DIY Brembo big brakes ... 
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Nicely done Ping! You are going to love the brakes on track I sure enjoyed the improvement on mine.
This is how its done. Informative and know exactly what is going on. Good Job here brother!
You can also use 05-12' Acura RL calipers with adapter brackets to fit the nuckle.
This is probably the most informative video I've ever seen.
Such a good video you should get more views!
Great video fam
I really enjoyed watching this video. I have been looking around the internet and I think there might be an even better OEM BBK Option. I have seen the Honda Odyssey community use a similar Genesis Brembo setup using a MDX rotor. So it might be possible to use the 07-13 MDX Caliper with the Nissan rotor. I think this would result in a powerful braking setup without the need for large/wide aftermarket wheels OR fancy adapters.
10/10 would big brake again
I don't even own a Honda, but this was hugely educational regardless, thanks Ping.
About time you own one.
@@josephyang8236 lemme drive yours at the track just to make sure I know what im getting into
if you dont want to upgrade to a 5 stud hub, put MG zs180 disks on, they are 282mm 4x100 and the zs was based off the civic mb.
This is good info! Would these be able directly mount into a USDM 2003 Civic EP3 which are 4x100?
@@ep3dre677 I don't know about the ep3 as it has a completely different suspension setup. This theoretically should work on EG, EJ, EH, Ek, MB, domani with double wishbone suspension. To do the conversion you will need disks, caliper and carrier.
@@dahotrod1533 thank you for the fast response! Appreciate you!
@@ep3dre677 then again I've seen people use Renault Mégane 1.5dci or mini cooper disks and s2000 caliper an carriers on the MG ZS180 (forbidden British civic) so there's tonnes to experiment with .
Can you send a picture how these discs are centered in de caliper? Because if I'm right ep3 hubs flanges are 2/3mm more inward against the caliper. Would like to know if I can get away with it.
VERY nice video :D
Great info.
Wow. Never knew about these options.
So I'm guessing this won't work for the USDM 10.3 knuckle because the hub is 32mm. So, my only Budget Big Brake option is the Type R calipers and Mini Coopers rotors?
Would i be able to use the tls rotors with the genesis brembos instead of having to get a hub centric spacer for the rotor and then another hub centric ring to fit my wheels?
What setup would you do for a BBK for a 98 crv need a upgrade, thanks!!!
That’s dope
Does no one make a 320mm 4x100 rotor that will work and has the correct hub size?
Thank you for all your work puting this info together and showing everything. Great stuff!
I have a doubt that I think you can easly clarify: I have a 8th gen Si, and I am considering changing only the rotor to the TSX/Accord one, 300mm 28mm thick, as I dont need more braking power, but just a bit of thermal headroom. Will those fit the calipers straight in? Or will I need to mod them somehow? Main concern is if the calipers have enough clearence for the extra 3mm.
Thanks in advance mate. Hope to see more videos in your channel :)
Hi Paulo, thanks for visiting the channel and subscribing, I would recommend also going to the TSX calipers with the TSX rotors.
Technically speaking with some caliper bracket clearancing and used brake pads, you could probably get the TSX rotors to fit with 8th gen Si Calipers. My concern is that the caliper bracket doesnt have enough room for the increased rotor thickness of the TSX.
For the cost of the calipers its not really worth this hassle.
@@formuladelta4929 thanks once more for the info! Sadly here in Brazil it is quite hard to find those calipers. Actually the Acura TSX wasnt even sold here haha. But... I know by looking the specs that some Accords have the same rotors on them, which I can order for a reasonable price.
As the rotors on said Accords are the same probably the calipers are also the same, but I am sure it will be hard to find em. I think the number of these cars ever sold in Brazil is less than a month worth of sales in the US...
@@paulo..ferreira Get the rotors and see it fits your current calipers, if they fit then great! otherwise you can try getting the other calipers!
the genesys sedan has a smaaler front brembo caliper with a 320mm stock rotor. has anyone looked to see if these calipers also fit on the hondas?
will the tls 310mm combo clear a 16x8 +25 rim?
Hi nice 👍 I have a question The genesis break well fit a honda civic sport sedan 2021 i love the stil look beautifull
=) yep they are amazing for the 10th gen civics
What rotors would you re recommend wirh accura rl calipers for the honda 13 exl ty.
I ordered the 12.1 rotors by Wilwood and 6 piston wilwood brake caliper. There incredible. Now if they would only show up. Been waiting on them to be delivered for 3 MONTHS!!!
A quick Q (not for me but for other viewers with similar cars who are interested). What did you do to the brake master cylinder size now that you've gone 35% larger effective piston area from the stock caliper (51mm)?
Great content btw!
Joseph, stock MC on the vehicle is 13/16” I have gone to the 1” MC from the ITR to compensate for the extra fluid volume needed to work these brakes
@@formuladelta4929 How much heavier was it switching from 4x100 to 5x114.3? Thanks
The 5x114 is definitely heavier than the 4x100, but I did not weigh the two. Also got heavier when I went to bigger brakes, and bigger wheels. The good thing is that the car got faster at the track with the bigger brakes, so it’s worth it in the end
Very Iinformative content bro.. Just a quick question... I have a CRV 2000 front knuvkle/spindle on a civic SiR and planning to go big brake set up too.. Was thinking of spoon monoblock but could not find a suitable 300mm Rotors because of the center hub registry issue.. Would like to run on 16 inch wheel though.. Any suggestion mate? Thanks for your help.. All the best.. 👍
Yea for CRV hubs you can either machine down the hub register, or machine the brake rotor center to fit the hub. Or look into RSX-S hubs which has a 64.1mm hub register without the step for the brake rotor but still accommodate the 36mm axles
@@formuladelta4929 thank you mate.. I think machining is the most logical option as it is way much cheaper and less straineous process.. 👍
What wheel sizes and dimensions will work with the genesis calipers? @formuladelta
Would you know if the Genesis calipers are compatible with the Civic FN2 Type R?
except a 1999 and 2000 civic si use a civic type r caliper which is bigger and a 262mm rotor
Any thoughts on using 08+ crv calipers (dual piston) and matching rotors?
Dual piston calipers will be an upgrade over their single piston counterparts. Looking at the caliper shows that the mounting bolts are 14mm which means you will need to drill the holes on your knuckles to fit. The rotor is 296mm diameter and 28mm thick which is similar diameter (300mm) as the 8th, 9th Gen Si and TSX, but thicker. So the rotor will have more heat capacity than those previously mentioned rotors. I have not tried to use this combination before so I cannot comment on fitment.
4 piston caliper is the way to go
I’ve got a 2017 civic sport hatch and I’d like to upgrade to bigger brakes. My budget is around 650$ what’s your suggestions? I was thinking the integra dc5r Brembos and s2k rotors
Would recommend Genesis Brembos, lots of 10th gen owners going this route
👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What are the disadvantages of running a stock Eg prop valve from a car with rear drums, when upgrading to a rear disk conversion?
I just made the rear disc conversion putting a 260mm rear brake disc and no difference, u might buy the prop valve 40/40 non abs and might see some difference
Can you enlarge the caliper inner diameter vs decreasing the hub?
You could, but then you would have to do that everytime you change rotors
ayyyy what up ping !?
For the 8th gen si and the genesis caliper will the 17 stock rims work and will i need to change brake booster and/or master cylinder… thanks
not sure if your stock wheels will work, check out my other video on wheel clearances. MC and booster should work just fine, the brake pedal travel might increase a bit, but that is personal preference, so adjust MC size accordingly.
Any rear OEM brake options for honda 5x114 that play nice with 16" alloys?
The EK9 Type R and DC2R rear brakes have been tested. I havent personally felt the need for bigger rear brakes. May have to look at the Honda SUV, Minivan catalogue for bigger rear brakes
I have a 1995 civic EX coupe 1.6L SOHC VTEC, I bought CRV calipers which I believe it is the same as a ITR caliper , 280mm mini rotors, and TSX pads. Do I need to upgrade my Master cylinder or proportioning valve or booster ? I am only upgrading the front calipers for now and leaving my Stock rear drum brakes . I would appreciate your help please and thank you.
If you are leaving the rears as drums then there’s no need to change the proportioning valve. As for the MC and booster, it is more of a personal preference, going to a bigger MC will decrease the amount of line pressure for the same pedal force input and reduce the amount of pedal travel. If you choose to use the existing MC the pedal travel will be longer with the ITR calipers. If you go to a bigger MC (7/8”, 15/16” or 1”) there will be less pedal travel. Bigger booster will give you more vacuum assist, effectively reducing the amount of pedal force you need to generate the same line pressure. Do you prefer a heavier or lighter brake pedal? Do you prefer more of less pedal travel?
@@formuladelta4929 well now I got to contemplate all those things .😂 I REALLY appreciate your response and the knowledge👍🏼👍🏼
Hi i have a honda ef 1990 d series engine. Will the dc2 type r nuckle fit so that i can get bigger brakes???thank you
I am not entirely sure regarding EF chassis, would be best to check the forums on that one. Good Luck!
Why not get a 2016 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 GT StopTech rotors?
320mm diameter
28mm thickness
114.3mm mounting bolts
69mm center hole
Rotor height is 56.7mm, if you bolt it on then the rotor won’t be cantered in the callipers. This parameter in conjunction with the rotor thickness and the hub mount thickness also has to place the rotor in the center of the calliper to get everything to bolt up
What’s the smallest wheel size to run with the brembo 15/16
I think there might be a rare 16" that might clear this, but I never tried it. Even some 17" wont clear this, check out my other video on this subject
Any issues with pad overhang on the genesis brembos on the rogue rotors? I keep reading about that and it's the only thing really deterring me from putting together a set.
Not really, other than a slight step in the pad wear.
Would recommend looking at the Sentra SER rotors, which has slightly bigger inside diameter, which gets rid of the inside overhang. Someone on Instagram recommended this option as an alternative to rogue rotors.
@@formuladelta4929 awesome thanks! Any issues with noise from the brake swap? I've been reading on a forum and there were several complaints about a squealing noise.
@@FieldGenEJ That’s more about the brake pad compound selection than the caliper and rotor choice.
I know for sure that the Hawk HP+ squeals a lot, by design.
Also the very high performance/racing pads might squeal as well, mainly because it’s purely performance oriented and noise is not a consideration during design.
Do they make them spacers in 20 m they look amazing what kind are they ..
Novustech.ca they are a Canadian Company, they will have Honda fitment which is 64.1mm Center bore
Do you know if theses caliber fit 2020 Acura RDX a-spec ✌️
Not 100% sure about the Acura RDX, but there are forum posts about a 2017 Honda Pilot that fit the Genesis Brembos with some bolt bushings because the Genesis Brembos uses 12mm bolts and the Pilot brakes are mounted with 14mm bolts. Not sure if the Pilot and RDX has any similarities in the brakes department
Can the black brembo from the type r take a smaller rotor disc incase i will have clearance issues? Lets say From a 300mm to a 282mm? Is that possible? Thanks!
The limiting factor for wheel clearance is the caliper not the rotor. Reducing the size of the rotor will only increase pad overhang. It will not improve wheel clearance.
@@formuladelta4929 right., cause the caliper is the one that sticks out the most from the assembly., got you, Thanks!
320mm bbk over kill for a street driven eg civic hatch. Anyone run them on a car this light that's gutted?
OEM will work just fine for the street, OEM with upgraded pads and rotors will handle spirited driving on the streets, even light track duty will be fine on the OEM DC2R brakes. This is an alternative to other BBKs on the market, whether you are modifying for the aesthetics, braking feel or the performance is up to you
Nissan 350z brake kit works also 👌
Did you have to machine those?
@@itsjustWebbie - evo brake kit works also 👏
I have a 96-97 spec jdm 4 by 114.3 swap and they do have a b bridge/bracket .
Its same 94-01 Acura Integra 32 mm hubs same as the 96 to 00 Honda Civic EX and I believe it's the 90s Prelude si hub 4x114.3 also the Acura ITR use a 32 mm
@@sherryhilbert7888 yes 🙌🏼 I just upgraded to the 98-01 ITR calipers and I had to use the 96 prelude v-tec rotors 11.1 with the 4 by 114.3 bolt pattern and 96 accord ex rear rotors 10.5 for 15 in wheel.It was a nightmare trying to figure out this conbo.thanks bro
@@Everydayprojects365 if you want to upgrade your rear you can add the first-gen ep-3 si you just flipped them upside down on opposite sides so the right side goes on the left side
@@sherryhilbert7888 would I use the same rotors? How much bigger are the ep3 rears?
@@Everydayprojects365 2003 ep si 10.3 in rear
Will genesis brembo fit on 8th civic si?
Yep, they will fit
What's a good option if I'm still on the 4x100 gsr hub? I'm looking for an upgrade and get them as big as I can
DC2R with mini cooper rotors if you are on a budget, otherwise Aftermarket options exist for for 4X100
@@formuladelta4929 first gen crv calipers also work with the mini cooper rotors. Both dc2r and crv use the 17CL15VN calipers, obviously crvs are much easier to find in junkyards.
@@slaps101 I've been seeing some videos about using the Acura RL calipers with re drilled rottors for the 4x100
Mini Cooper base model rotors are 4x100, 64.1mm hub, 280mm diameter, and 23mm thickness.... That's basically an 11inch ITR rotor in 4x100
Would this genesis caliper bolt on the same with rotor to a 9th gen?
Yes, currently a bunch of 9th Gen owners are going with the TL-S calipers, but the Genesis brembos are even better
@@formuladelta4929 and the genesis caliper is a direct bolt on as well like with the dc ?
@@sikariodelm3korita if you have a 9th gen it is a direct bolt on with a rotor centering spacer, 64.1mm to 68.0mm
What wheels did you end up getting to fit the brembos?
I ended up going with 720 Form GTF1 17x9 +25 with a 10mm spacer. Other wheels that fit would be the Konig Hypergram or Dekagrams in the 17x9 +25 or the 17X10+18
@@formuladelta4929 awesome thank you. Very helpful 👌
Do you have a link to the type r rotors and pads you’re using?
Hey John,
For pads I used GLOC R12, which I personally find to be quite capable at the track and still be able to drive the car home on the streets, for more aggressive compound try the G16.
www.g-locbrakes.com/products/brake-pads/search/?make=Acura
For my DC2R setup, I just use Centric Rotors from Rock Auto, they are pretty cheap so replace them whenever you change pads, the part number is 120.40026.
www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1280339&cc=1370641&jsn=965&jsn=965&jsn=965
@@formuladelta4929 will those rotors also work for the rear?
@@johnlegg6837 I actually find the DC2R rear brakes to be more than what I need. Currently using GLOC R10 rear pads and they are a bit too aggressive for me. Should have gone with the GLOC R8 rear pads instead. If you are still 4x100 in the rear then there is the optional disks conversion that came on the EM1 Civic Si (US) or Civic SIR (Canada). For 5x114 you can go with the DC2R or EK9 Rear Disks. I use DC2R rear disks, Centric 120.40042. Rock auto link below
www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1279885&cc=1370641&jsn=1329
What brake booster did you use?
DC2R booster
What rotor would fit with the rear Brembos of a genesis looking to do this on my rsx base model
just clarifying the question here, are you trying to put the rear Brembo Calipers of a Genesis on the front of your RSX? or on the rear of your RSX?
Front
It’s not a direct bolt on for the rear Genesis calipers, as the bolt hole spacing doesn’t match up to the RSX upright. You would have to get some kind of custom adapters made to get them to fit. So it can be made to fit around a variety of rotors
The rear Brembo genesis calipers bolt on with no modification to the front of my RSX . Only thing is I can’t find the right rotors . I’ve tried the Nissan rogue sv and they are too thick
Interesting, never tried to find a rotor that fits the rear Genesis calipers, I would imagine you will need smaller diameter and different offset
Will the genesis brembo fit 8th Gen civic ?
Yes, 8th gen Si. Cant confirm on regular 8th gen civic though
@@formuladelta4929 thanks for the info.
dc2 itr brake calipers + mini cooper S slotted rotors + acura tsx 2008 brake pads, would probably cost you less than $300 both sides.
The brackets need to be milled to fit or else rotor rubs bracket. Ask me how I know
For guys who want type R performance and want to stick with 4x100 without upgrading to 5lug,
Run 2002-2007 Mini cooper base model rotors (4x100 280mm)
Integra Type R calipers and brackets
TSX pads
Can I run 14" wheels with this set up?
are the Genesis calipers front or rear?
Fronts only