My GR86 Nürburgring Crash Damage Report.
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Also, we did not have the capacity to put the car on the lift today to check if there is anything else, so who knows, we may find other issues as we go.
Will you sign the carfax? 😁😁
Please check your brakes system
The clunk sounded like the ABS system.....I imagine you would have felt something through the pedals and/or the steering wheel if that clunk was mechanical and in the ABS system, or the steering system...but you didn't mention feeling anything. Your face definitely showed that SOMETHING changed in the car right at the moment of that sound.
Even Broke is a great car. Lets get the chance off shure, laready registered from the begin. Misha the most importante is all you get out safe, this is the most importante thing.
I love your videos, SimRacing and sometimes do something crazy with my Xsara 2.0 HDI 110HP (remaped for something like 154HP 🙃) Best regards from Portugal
Honda Civic CRX avec le Petit aileron derrière d'origine c'est la plus belle !! Bon beau frère a la Honda Civic CRX 150 CV 950 kg c'est une bombe la voiture et très plate contrairement a une Honda civic avec sont arrière arrondie que j'aime pas du tout..je préfère l'arrière d'une CRX beaucoup plus jolie 👍
"Aluminium is bastard." Love the dude! 😀
the wood of metals
These nuts 😂
Thats why real rally cars use alu with magnesium. But it would cost a little bit more like 2000 euro PER WISHBONE.
@@amosburton4347 brembo sucks i dont get it why people all saying its soooooo gooooood. They doesnt even make anything 🤣 just patch the name on vision.
Good to know. I'm glad now that all my aftermarket parts are steel.
When a component fails due to fadigue it leaves a signature in the metal that diferes from the impact one for instance, and this is how engineers can tell the cause of accidents, being it in aeronautics, motorsport or any other area.
Exactly because of that, in the Ayrton Senna case, was proved in court that the steer column failed due to fadigue. Happens that there is a lot of noise and misinformation, specially because it involves big teams, big engineers and figures, but there is no doubt about what caused the accident.
Senna's column failed due to negligence. Williams were too big for F1 so they started paying everyone off
Have someone check that snapped back suspension bar. If it snapped during the turn and not on impact with rail.
@@obidobi2Someone did check. Andrea is as experienced as you can get. When he tells you it’s impact damage, it’s impact damage. No if, buts or maybes, it’s impact damage. Nürburg mechanics deal with the aftermath of barrier damage probably more than any techs in the world.
Funny thing is they couldn't trace where there metal for the column was supplied from, with people suggesting it was cheap metal not really fit for it's intended use.
@@kevindoran4336 oki didn't know they investigated that part already since it wasn't mentioned in this video. I would expect you had to check the break in a microscope to determine how it broke.
Ill be honest, to me it truly sounds like a ball joint let go... something connected to the rack for sure.
Lets hope soo. cuz if it was ABS fault that would mean more crashes incoming.
Have my doubts with something mechanical. Cos the ABS kicking into snow mode is a known issue in the gt86, and gr86 is using similar parts. I had that occur, and that sound is the abs pushing back. Had the same sound of a clunk prior.
Commented on prior video too.
Do use pedal dance mode for track use.
Andrea is a very experienced mechanic, GR86 owner and Nordschleife driver, he can clearly see no mechanical failure! The ball joint & wishbone, shock and tie rod could clearly be seen still attached on the underbody video. Stripped out cars make clunking noises in compressions as the chassis flexes, especially with uprated rear arms and stiffer bushes/suspension/tyres, the loads have to go somewhere. Put an interior back in it dampens these sounds. It’s also not ABS that gets activated there, it’s ESP, when a driver gets it crossed up has the steering on full lock but the G sensors are detecting push (understeer) it steps in, the same ESP that saved Misha at Schwedenkreuz in the wet. Some times, you just have to own it.
@@bencevarga6304 he did pump the brakes. Brake , let off , brake again. I believe ice mode kicked in on the first initial brake. Then when he backed off and reapplied the brakes worked and you can see the car just squeeling alr. If there was alot of fluids it would have not squeel and just went straight in.
@@kevindoran4336 Yeah, I rewatched the video with a clear head. If the ABS went to Ice mode, the car wouldnt have slowed down that much. As he releases the brake, and the front decompresses, he looses traction, and starts to slide.
Parts are parts, cars are cars, you are safe and in no pain and that's all we care about Misha!!! I could watch you drive a lawnmower as long as it's you behind the wheel. Much much love from Texas! Thanks for all the smiles per mile
Dont worry Misha we all have crashed many GR86s. Even if it only was in IRacing Simulator for the most of us. I do think it was a mechanical failure because of the sound that is noticable in the video and even some spectators have messaged you about it.
So glad you weren’t injured Misha, very lucky. Good luck this weekend!
Every time i see the gapped GT86 i click the video faster than the speed of light.
GR!86 haha
@@mgcharoudin Sorry my bad😅
Thanks for the insight Misha... 👍 loving your work fella.
Misha, I love your humility. Thanks for all the content! I really enjoy all you do and just listening to you talk. Take care, glad you’re safe!
Sound like we will be seeing an m3 touring soon?! Glad the GR86 appears to be fixable, definitely figured you would be looking at $10k plus though, ouch. The things you do for our entertainment, excited for all the upcoming projects you mentioned!😁
For some headlights there are repair kits that replace the brackets. If the headlight is that expensive, it might be worth trying to find out if such a solution is available for this model.
They can also do "plastic welding". This is not going to be a show off car. It will be tracked, raced and probably will have some more fighting marks. New light, sooner or later, will be broken too.
Very glad you and your passenger are not suffering from any injuries, first of all.
That said, as a long-time subscriber who had some racing in my past (early in life - I'm old now),
I had been noticing in the last couple months or so that Misha seemed to be pushing the cars
a little harder than ever before.
Now, some of that comes with additional experience of course - but there seemed to be a harder
edge to his recent laps, including some nervous moments on-track with "interesting" passing
choices and such.
It may just be me, but it was noticeable and it made me concerned for him...
Glad to see him get right back on the horse, though. That's a good thing too!
- Ed on the Ridge
I Noticed that ,He Has Started Driving a Lot Harder on the Cars.Not A Good Thing To Start As Anything Can Break And it could end Up in a Massive Crash
Yeh I noticed that too...
I'm an old bugger myself (getting on 70)
Don't compete in national Rally competition anymore but still a Big fan of WRC especially when it comes to NZ.
I agree that Misha been pushing it more than usual
I put it down to youthful exuberance( which we all do az young bucks involved in Motor racing)
BUT experience teaches you afew things...
1_ always make sure your car is properly prepped & Fit for purpose.
2_ don't let "familiarity" with the car, the track, or fellow competitors allow complacency to creep in.
There's No doubt young Misha has driving talent
which is growing with experience. But just be aware of getting too comfortable &complacent.
That's when the unexpected can catch you by surprise!
Most important thing is that both of you guys are all okay, the car will be fixed without a problem and it will continue to attack the Ring. You are doing a fantastic job Misha, keep it up!
Good to see your doing ok and keeping positive.. Good luck with the rebuild, and I look forward to seeing you send it again soon.👍😉
glad to see you guys are okay!! love the content, keep it up Misha!
Thank you, Misha, for a great content. GL to you for a next races)
I stayed and watched until the end
Glad you are ok Misha. The car can be fixed easily. Thanks for the great content. I hope to visit you soon.
Misha brother I've learned the Nürburgring from you , you made me love this track when I saw you in the gr86 I go to iracing and practice the same lolls thanks for everything
I watch till the end. Don’t know why people wouldn’t like your videos. The heck with them. First reply to anything ever on RUclips. Really enjoy you channel do I call it? Thank you keep them coming stay safe!👍👍
Glad you both are ok. 💚💚
The headlight is definitely fixable. There are special mash type plastic glues that are made for fixing holding points, like yours for example. The one I used I think is called “speedyfix”, worked for me 😊
it's now in my amazon shopping cart! maybe this will fix my E36 glove box panel !!! but MAYBE NOT
I've always used plastic glue for such things, it chemically melts the plastic and essentially plastic welds the parts together. Bonds tend to break more easily than chemical welding of the material in my experience.
It is true you can fix it but considering that someone is going to win this car, they would probably prefer a perfect headlight rather than a repaired one.
@@squeakers27and Misha knows that. He wants to give a perfect car. That’s what I like about him.
@@squeakers27 their getting a FREE car . You gonna tell me they won’t take it with a repaired light. Tf you talkin about. Sounds like these people would complain if they won money and had to carry it out in dollar bills they would complain…..
I enjoy watching you build tracktool I like your taste your choice and your dedication to detail
I like watching your videos Misha!
Can't wait to see that car get new upgrades
Cheers from Mexico ❤️🇲🇽
@MRMishaCharoudin. Heyyy thanks for answering! Hope your doing well👍👍👍
Glad you are safe!
I recon if the clunk you heard was the tie rod end that broke and it wasn't the impact that caused it, that could of been the issue. I would think that it would explain both the light steering feel and the ABS flashing if both front wheels weren't pointing where they should!
Yeah, an important part of not ABS but ESC is that the steering wheel position is known. That will have to correlate with the G-sensor so that the right wheels can be have their brakes applied.
The day is always improved with a Misha video!
Misha, what truly matters is that you weren’t injured and the car can be repaired, from what we know it sounds to me as a steering rack tie rod failure. It would be interesting if someone would have recorded a video at the exact time this happened to confirm this suspicion. You’ll come back stronger after this!
I always watch til the end Misha :P
You can often get tab replacements for the headlights. Seen it on other salvage / repairs channels. Tabs to replace the existing ones. :)
the true track car experience, unfiltered ! :) thank you for sharing. " Cars are pain ❤" - donut media
Hi Misha!
First of all: thanks god that you and Joe are safe! I cannot imagine the world without your contents!😮😊
Second: the tie bar inspection looks me quite suspicious! Normally that parts get first bended as a designed failing method (I would have also expected it as you impacted at moderate speed), their crack section is also at the outside joint housing! Thus it's strange for me that the bar looks fine on the outside but the rack can be shaken on that way. I don't think the inner joint is failed too (but possible)...that should be much more massive than the outer one, but take a look at the overall steering! Tie bar fixation thread to the rack, yoke (support and fixation part between rack and pinion)...unfortunatelly the mondern steering systems don't really like NOS missions as durability test! It's not a bet and win contest but the clunk could come from the steering itself!
Keep going and fly safe longer!
Cheers
Marton
Thanks for the follow-up video !
Looking forward to see that Honda build..even if I would have considered a DC2 (biased owner's opinion) ;)
Woop woop almost 1M subs. Do you pinch yourself every day? How well your channel is doing well deserved you are becoming an automotive legend ❤️
The crash and the damages look exactly the same to what happened to me when hitting a wet patch in a corner after a dry entry (was my mistake for pushing hard in these conditions)
The clatter from the front is probably the abs modulating the brakes which prevented any braking and there's a dip in that turn which can cause it
Hmmm the Lock ring on the coilover spring was loose like that. Then my hypothesis would be, that you lost spring tension on that corner. Causing an unbalanced suspension system by the 3rd lap. My Racing Spec buddyclubs taught me that the hard way. I now put zipp ties to keep an extra safety lock.
Glad you're okay!
It could be the Ice Mode, is a know issue in the gt86 when you are breaking hard, mostly with your left foot (releasing the gas pedal) and turning.
Your engineer talks total sense. Never take shortcuts after a high impact crash.
You bring up a good point about ABS. Something could have failed in the system that caused the wheels to lock up. As for the noise, if you ever driven on snow/ice, the ABS does tend to make quite loud "clunking" sounds when it engages or disengages.
I'd have a look at the rear left lower link to see if there are scrapes on the underside. The inboard rose joint failed downwards in bending by the looks of things, if it was from impact I would expect it to look more like a compressive failure. If it was what failed I would expect there to be road rash on the underside, versus it being snapped during impact where there would likely only be grass and dirt on it. Good luck with the repairs!
I’d love to see you guys work on a 2023 WRX as a new project car. I’m in the process of making mine track-ready and would be very interested to see what kind of setup you’d put together. Stay strong and keep the good stuff coming!
the WRX isn't in Europe from what I can tell. Only Japan and the US, maybe Australia as well. If you want good coilovers though, Racecomp is easily the best company for Subaru aftermarket coilovers
@@SkylineLofe You're right. I now live in Canada and tend to forget that some models aren't available in Europe and vice versa. Right now, I'm looking at stiffening the chassis with Cusco braces and a Rotora 6/4 big brake kit. Suspension seems to be tricky here in the Winter Belt, though. It looks like all the salt sprayed on the road tends to make the coilovers get stuck.
For the time being, I'm just protuning the car after installing a new turbokit and FMIC. Patience, time and money...
Honestly I’d focus on tracking the car first to get a good baseline for a season or two with just better tires/wheels and pads/fluids. You have quite a few mods planned but a bigger turbo and tuning tend to bring a whole new slew of variables for reliability on track for forced induction cars in general.
@@dlombana161 Chassis rigidity seems to be a big deal actually, even before suspension upgrade. If I don't take care of it from the get go, I may put some undue stress onto the chassis. To meet you half way. I'd say that I could have started with the brake kit, tires and chassis before the turbokit and FMIC.
I simply couldn't resist the fun factor of deeper exhaust sound once a catback meets a J pipe😆
Offcourse we are watching at the end of the video. So looking forward for your plans of next year.
The best thing is that you are oké.
And a civic is really cool to build as a track car. These k20/24 engines are wild when build.
Or a Impreza would also be great, but we know we are biased on that 😅
Just wanted to say we had a fantastic day at the Ring today, with Porsche Club Sweden. Ended a bit prematurely because of rain but fantastic up to that point.Already looking forward to the next trackday here…
Glad your well Misha! I don't think it's abs going into ice mode because you would have just lost braking. I wonder if anyone had video of the crash from outside just so you could have seen what direction the wheels were facing. That would help figure out some of the mystery. My money is on liquid on the track or maybe that clunk was the tie rod breaking off. Could also be the pillowballs were badly worn on the coilovers and they welded themselves to the strut tower mount. When the fronts pillowballs go, you can potentially loose some steering angle before the wheels actually turn. Basically instead of the coilover rotating where the pillowball is, it'll rotate the shock itself. (it will make a clunking noise like that since the coil spring itself rotates) That lower coilover lock being loose might also be evidence of that. (I'd check for wear on the upper lock where the spring sits on) Anyway, glad you and the passenger are doing good dude! You are by far my favorite dude on YT
Regarding Senna, there's a video on the web supporting the thesis that he went straight on because the track was patched midway through the corner (you can see the black patch).
When he hit the black patch the front lifted from the ground and he went straight on due to lack of grip. You can see in the video that the wheels keep the same angle throughtout the corner, so it was hardly a broken steering.
One of the things that were changed after that crash was that repairs to the track can't be done like that anymore.
Great video as always , thank you. We watch hahaha 😊
a proud driver
Keep your Spirit Misha !!
You're an example to all of us! Real beauty in life is Imperfection. Never forget that
3:13 that was very unexpected, Renault Brembo calipers on a GR86?
I'm not even close to a mechanic, but looking at the crash video again, there was defiantly some kind of a fluid on the road, you could even see the Porsche avoid it.
And I believe the the clunk that we heard is some kind of a mechanical part from the other vehicle, and only one tire was fighting for grip, which was the outside front tire, the inside one was directly on the fluid with 0 traction basically, only because the tire squeal wasn't that loud, and doesn't sound like 2 tires, more like one.
Keep it safe Misha, we want you good for a lot more videos to come! 💪
It's funny all this has happened around the same time as my first real car crash, had a poor reaction and oversteered, flipped a fwd twice, luckily only seatbelt bruising and minor scratch. very lucky and happy to get back on the horse.
Message at the end hit hard lmao
In reference to your Honda plans, the d16z6 is an incredibly fun engine, even in stock form. I had a 1993 Del Sol that was a brilliant little back road bomber on that stock 125hp. I sold it before I could get into suspension or tire modifications, but even on the stock suspension and some cheap all-seasons, it was still a car that made me look forward to driving it every day. Unless it was raining, that top was leaky as hell 😅
Back in the Group A days the EF Civic with the ZC 1600cc engine, put out over 200bhp!
You accident reminds me of in 2000 I did the 24 Hour Race. A mate drove for a VW team and had a similar crash which they thought it could have been a shock fail.
Can't wait for the big projects. Good luck with the financial side.
Morizo a.k.a. Akio Toyoda was here in the Ph a week ago and being a CEO of the company, I truly admire his passion not just for driving the cars they've built, but also he himself race the cars and push them to their limits. I hope he sees this and maybe able to help you out to expedite the parts that you need for this project. Pretty sure he'll be grateful to know you're driving the car the way it was meant to be driven.
Edit the 86 videos with joe! I’ll keep them running non stop for a week or two on RUclips 🥰 Looking forward for the videos on the 86 updates and repair 💪💪
yessssssss, Misha + Honda ftw!
Pretty unfortunate accident and the gr is a bit hurt but that‘s not what matters, i‘m glad you and your friend left being unharmed that day, may your guardian angel ever look after you and protect you. Cars can be fixed but lives can only be lost forever. Love the videos and i‘m hyped on the new Projects coming!
Inner tie rod snapping like that on the steering rack side and without any sings of bending, I hope you give that a second look when the car is on the lift. Usually as a result of a crash they will snap on the threads connecting it to outer rod where it is the weakest, and if it did fail prior to the impact car would want to push straight just like it did, so really want to see that explored further.
In our shop (Spain) we did 3 times worst at a cost of 2.5k parts to paint lol Mercedes, Audi so on.
For the headlight tabs that broke if it's plastic I've seen that some body shops have fixed/reconnect the tabs with fiberglass bonding. Maybe it could be repairable before buying a new set
Most importantly, you are both fine. Love your honest videos. Take care. Cheers, Tom.
Definitely you should check the steering rack and the components which connected to it
Can't wait for the EG content!
Interessting insights, thanks! Hope the parts will not be to expensive, maybe you can get a good Angebot 😂
Atomic guys are so great! I got my car in their shop aswell (new supension) and I even had the pleasure to drive 2 test laps with Andrea, to see whats what. Great guy, great team! (And great Video Misha :D)
I trained as a mechanical engineer.
Looking at the video and listening to your description, I suspect that three things happened to stress and break the front-end components, before you struck the guard-rail of the track.
1) You applied the brakes which put normal stresses on the car. Nothing broken at this point.
2) There was a change in the track surface which caused the front tires to lose traction, almost completely. You countered the steering angle to compensate for the slide, as you should.
3) ABS took over and the front wheels free-wheeled until the car hit dry pavement again, ABS engaged the brakes again and the car instantly went from unstressed to highly stressed and the wheels were still cocked, so the steering components were instantly highly stressed, the car pitched down and something snapped under the strain, resulting in the "pop" sound. This would be similar stresses to a city street with losing traction and hitting a curb with the tire/wheel and snapping a steering component.
_ Now you lose steering control because of the broken component(s) and you wisely let go of the steering wheel so the impact with the guard-rail doesn't snap your wrist.
Trust me, if all of this had happened on a tighter turn, the car damage would have been much worse.
The rod ends are also made for tension and compression. Not bending loads as he was turning in while overcooking the front tyres.
I think your rack end ball joint popped out before you hit the barrier. That would explain the loss of steering feel and why you went almost straight into the barrier.
Glad both of you weren't injured, other things can be fixed. Cant wait to see the car! I would guess its an M3 turing 😄
I'm sorry you crashed Misha, Andrea is a good guy and a top mechanic, thumbs up for this vid
Misha back where he belongs... In a Honda! EF Civic are the lightest of the bunch, these are amazing with a bit of additional power.
K24 EG is a great choice! 👌 For example check Enric Roig with his k24 turbo EG Flying around the ring!😅 I can recommend Honed Developments for suspension/brake parts!
Many years ago I've build for myself trackday car using Civic 4gen base (ED6). It had d16 supercharged engine (240HP) and 928kg weight (measured with half tank empty). With mods like metal plate lsd, quaife steering rack, brakes, suspension + few more it was very competitive track weapon. I raced for three full seasons with this car on highest speed tracks available in my country. Pros: weight, perfect wheelbase, double wishbones F+R, visibility inside, easy to drive on the limit. Cons: bit soft chassis, reinforcements highly welcome. I could even go lower with car weight (8XXkg was in reach) but I was driving to trackdays on wheels so didn't want go beyond some point (like plexi windows, fiber doors and so on). If you want, I can share more of my personal experiences from that build.
yes, I'm glad you chose the EG. Don't know why tho, I just started liking them a lot lately
The most important is that both was okay after the crash. Material things you can always replace 👍
Senna had a column twisting partial failure, power steering abnormal function condition.He was unlucky with the escape road (wall).Glad you both got unharmed.
check the steering column and steering box!
Good lesson for new drivers even the pros have bad luck so keep it on the track
Would be interesting to see more checks on the back left side as it might have caused a total twist and therfore severe front unbalance.
Grazie Misha.
Very good that you dont keep hold the steering
Good luck bro
I'm pretty sure it's ABS related, it could be a dirty wheel sensor (rocks will block it), last time it happened to me all of the brake pressure went to only one wheel, I got so many other events with ABS malfunctions in this car, that's why I plan on removing the ABS pump unit completely, there are aftermarket solutions.
Misha, I'm doing my driver's license right now and have a practical exam in 1 week. One day I want to drive as well as you❤❤❤❤
good luck
I watched to the end Misha. 🙂
Thank you Misha, stay cool and smart, you're living your dreams, that's wonderful, but it comes at a price. You are serious enough and dedicated to everything that you have a bunch of us fans who sincerely support you (I especially like the part about replacing the risky aluminum part on the car for the safety of the future owner) and the fact that I know that this car will be much better after the "repair" than he ever was... God bless you and we will follow you... Thank you comrade
@DM-Official_MishaCharoudin why?
Love de ed civic misha. En klopt heb de zelfde motor in mijn crx ma dan met 140pk. Obd1 met launch en shiftlight. Crx weegt 909kg.
would Love this car... ever since I got a spin in a Supra at Watkins Glen... i knew i needed a track car. I am not even remotely close to the Nurburgring... but within a few hours of Watkins and Limerock ;)
EF is one of my favourite cars cant wait to see what this turns into.
Interesting to me is that car went in understeer after the braking was finished, you were already on slight gas. This shows to me that you weren’t too fast or braked too late, otherwise you wouldn’t have released braking. Regarding the clunk, I was wondering if it wasn’t simply the noise from abs (unsure about how it would be captured by the cam system).
Anyway. Cannot wait to see the Honda :-)
With the amount of laps you turn on the ring Misha and the speeds you go its surprising how little issues you have had. Sh*t happens as they say and crack on. We all love the content
Did the cars around you have cameras recording by any change? If the steering column failed during the corner, the resulting left front wheel movement might have caught on camera and would definitely explain why the car went nearly straight (and probably also explain ABS action).
Misha the headlight can be saved the plastic support brackets can be replaced, at Mercedes-Benz they replace them hope this saves you some money👍
Hi Misha Charoudin, try to connect it to the ECU, maybe there to see what happened, because the ECU has to show an error if something happened, try it, and I'm complaining that it's to the steering wheel bar or to the brake system, try to find out what happened to the car, because according to in the video it's strange that the car has no brakes and can't turn. Greetings from Croatia. I watch your videos. They're always fast. Just be careful. Greetings from Zagreb.
Misha can you get any motion stabilization data from the RAW video file? Maybe accelerometers and gyros can tell us what the chassis rotation did just before and after the sound.
Did you check the non cropped dashboard video footage if maybe the esp reactivated itself before ABS kicks in like it has been a problem with the Supra and Yaris in the past already?
Misha, tell us more about the nankang crs !!!
The Left headlight housing may be cracked, it appeared to have condensation but is an easy fix.