DANGEROUS Brakes, AMAZING Handling: 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance Highland // Nürburgring
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro/Specs
03:32 Lap
13:24 Thoughts 
Авто/Мото
2023 :- VTEC kicked in YO!
2024 :- Brakes on fire YO!
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I think Model 3 Performance need "Track Package" like the Model S Plaid, to have bigger brake kit + more aggressive alignment + different software calibration. Otherwise for now this is mainly to embarrass supercar off traffic light, and embarrass itself on the circuit.
@@RDSAlphard It does 0-60 well.. other than that it got nothing.. 60-130 is like 10seconds..
@@sub7up. american 2024 m3p does 0-130mph in 12 seconds
@@carterlongcor3233 So 0-60 in 2,9... And 9 seconds 60-130?
Thats what i told you....
@@sub7up.
Are we going to pretend that a 8.9s 60-130 is a bad time for a 500hp, 4,000lb car? It's better than BMW M3 xDrive.
@@sub7up. rolling start from 9-100 is 3.1s and 0-100 is 3.3s in europe.
Is this a record for the brakes to give up... ? 😬
He needs to download the new breaks 😂
@@nikpapado9785 🤣
@@nikpapado9785hoping for over the air update in next release 😂
for this youtube channel, probably. but outside of youtube, chinese car xiaomi su7 has a much faster record and that car does not give driver much feedback when the brake pad is gone.
@@qrs13 I wish I could also download a glass window for my GT3, it's been recalled and the estimated time of delivery is 4 weeks.
„Hyundai Ionic 5N please hold my beer.“ Two laps no temperature or brake problems out of the box.
It is 50% more expensive though.
Still no excuse for Tesla not to put better brakes. Even if it adds $5k to the price.
@@piefliesM3P with $20k modification still would not be able to compete with I5N. So the 50% higher price is justified.
Is the ionic 800v? If so you can have more aggressive regen.
@@bbokdoongI wasn’t saying it’s not justified. The thing I’m getting at is that it’s not really all that useful to compare cars that are in very different price ranges and then say the more expensive one is better.
I’m totally on board that the N is better and I’m not really a fan of Teslas, but it’s a bit of a silly comparison.
@@mefobills279 it is 800v architecture. It has 0.6 g regen brakes. You can one-pedal drive around Nurburgring.
This shows once more how impressive the thermal management of the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is
Yeah but the price difference is really high also.
The european M3P has a downgraded battery pack compared to the US one
What is wrong with Tesla's thermal management?
@@Ignacio.RomeroDoes an upgraded battery make better brakes too?
@@MikusTGBecause its better.
Ioniq 5N for the win
Hyundai ioniq 5 N
Damn, I love the accent of the owner. It's absolutely unique and sounds very clear and distinctive. Love the new colour on the M3P as well. Tesla needs to come up with a track pack with upgraded brakes and pads ASAP!
@mountainpassperformance are your guys
I would say that is a good czech english :D
@@teckofficialCZwe are saying Czenglish
Model 3 not M3.
Track pack with slightly increased horse power would be awesome as well and a bit more power at the top end of its acceleration
The new Model 3 "Temporary Performance" model..
i see what you did there... 😅
wow people have no idea they are laughing at the very best sport car ever made because they lack even the slightest clue whatsoever, goddamn are you all a bunch of loosers haha
Model 3 Minutes Performance
Model 3 half Performance
Model 3: 'who needs to stop' edition
Tesla, the following realization occurs to me: The vehicles are built and tested in California. The developers themselves, who certainly drive these vehicles privately, drive them in this region, with the US mindset Performance means drag race (1/4 & 1/2 mile), speed means 85 mph (137 km/h) more is not allowed anyway. And no one needs a working automatic windshield wiper, it never rains in California anyway.
I agree
Ahhh, the truth!
They do a lot of work on keeping the car cool, but a lot of improvements to heating/de-icing actually came rather late.
Very much a California car, but still a very nice car in many ways. You would think it'd have more performant cooling though given the climate it was designed in! I guess is 99% of owners are never going to take it to a track then the lack of track brakes makes sense, the stock brakes work fine for drag racing.
Its INSANE that Tesla still delivers 'Performance' cars that are so underbraked. I remember how Audi got flamed when they put bad brakes in the Rs3...
Not even just ‘underbraked’ but dangerously ‘underbraked’ especially when it’s marketed as a ‘performance’ car. Even still the RS3 coped with the track, just a noticeable amount of fade of which they learnt from, unlike Tesla. Someone’s bound to crash once the brakes go kaput
@@sickbozzerthe Model 3 just isnt a track car. If you want a daily thst you can easily use as a serious track car, you need an M3. But its way more expensive than a Model 3.
@@Teslapromo103Tesla shouldn't advertise it as an M3 killer then.
@@Cain353 Exactly. Dangerous advertising for a dangerous car. To be fair this Tesla fanboy isn't the worst I've come across and I respect that.
@@Teslapromo103 M3 isn't a serious track car. Nor is an Audi RS3. But they come with brakes that suit the power they put down, along with the weight. Just unacceptable for the price of the car and the tag that comes along with it.
Look at me … now I am getting excited about disk upgrade on a Tesla. The current setup doesn’t seem to be the name performance worthy. Live the enthusiasm of the owner. Keep us up to date!!
Yeah be interesting to see if it can be improved enough to do the whole lap. A lot of heavy batteries to slow down
@@Itsallfun3000 it’s 1.9 tonnes, over 200kg lighter than a c63 Amg. Should be fine on some aftermarket brakes.
What it needs is a braking grid, like a diesel locomotive, then the braking problem will be solved, but everything else will overheat instead! Aren't electric cars awesome?
@@Itsallfun3000 a bmw m3 does not even have batteries and weights 1850kg as well. What are you talking about?
Other discs and more heat resistant pads and it will work. For the normal user this pads have to work at -20° and braking hard on cold pads.
@@davids.6671 I'm talking about slowing all that mass down in this tesla. Not an M3 or whatever other car
Tesla @ Fuchsröhre: "Your brake subscription has ended"
5N has much better temp management
If you turn off the regen completely, the brake will die earlier.
Seeing that it was set on 3/4 regen., if I'm interpreting the display correctly, it's kind of crazy that the disc brake performance went that fast.
Suspension seems very compliant and yet not boaty though, which is a mixture of qualities I always appreciate.
Even if the brakes are upgraded, the car won’t last a full lap on power
it obviously needed better pads and some active aero to duct a lot of air to the brakes, Tesla still just doesn’t understand track driving
The tension is completely different when Misha driving Ioniq 5N, so it's over the game. 😂😂
The fact that Ioniq5N can complete 2 laps of Nurburgring without the overheating and braking issues contrary to this Tesla makes me surprised! Good job Hyundai!
Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program and Tesla doesn’t have, just backyard motorsports program.
@@curvetrcalinga re: "Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program" exactly like the wisemen say (translation: ME) "racing improves the breed..." in stark contrast overspending to buy Twitter does not.
The Hyundai will be on the side of the road waiting for tow truck in 1-2 years 😂
@@DeetroiterIts not american junk like the Tesla tho.
Plaid baby! ⚡️🇺🇲
Still a bit of an embarrassment that it can’t even do 1/4 or 1/2 without loosing brakes or power due to limitations. Struggled to take a fiesta in the end 😂
Why is everyone saying the PERFORMANCE model needs a track pack with better brakes? Bro, this is the PERFORMANCE model, it should already have some sort of track pack with the best brakes it can 🤷♂️
But thats not profitable enough....Tesla will probably release a 'Performance Track pack', which you can buy seperate. Makes them more money
absolutely not, as tesla stated this car is not for the track and in real life you never need the brakes, there are literally millions of teslas with 300k miles on the first brake pads.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlLove how Teslas have 'Track modes' and 'performance' models that cant perform on tracks.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl "Performance" model is not for the track? 😂
Mat Watson in Carwow summed it up the best. Just buy Model 3 Long Range instead of M3 Performance and save 10k pounds.
Seems like a really good guy. Looking forward to the next video when he returns with upgraded brakes!
How has tesla not learned its lesson yet? The brakes were the main complaint of basically every single one of the brands performance models. They really need to give these cars better brakes, or at least better brake cooling.
I guess they just figure the real track guys will upgrade them and its just wasted money, weight, and space for 99% of the buyers that stick to the street... Not sure I agree with that logic, but it seems that's the way they went.
Keeps the autocross guys happy with less unsprung weight in the brakes, which is one motorsport the 3s actually do quite well in.
Tesla doesn't care about track performance and endurance. Just 0-60 numbers
It really makes you wonder how Hyundai did it on the Ionic 5 N...
Ioniq 5N was developed by Albert Biermann and crazy car people in the N division, and M3P was developed by Elon and his financial advisors.😁
@@bbokdoongexactly. One was developed by carguys, the other from software engineers and a ketamine addict.
현대자동차는 현대로템이라는 기차, 지하철 같은 전동차를(방산업체이기도 합니다 k2블랙팬서라는 전차도 만들어요) 만드는 회사를 소유하고 있어요
아마도 주요 ICE 자동차 회사중에서 유일할겁니다 그게 전동화된 자동차를 만드는 기술에서 제일 앞서는 이유라고 생각해요
아마 많은 저를 비롯한 많은 한국인들도 그런 생각을 갖고있을거에요
Ioniq 5 N is still better 🤷♂
Ioniq 5n is a 2.2ton boat
@@SlowKawa640 so? It's a SUV, what do you expect? Stile better than the Model 3 Performance 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheProAndTheNoob1 how is that an SUV? It's literally the size of a compact car
@@SlowKawa640 u sure about that? You better tell Hyundai then, they're calling it a SUV/Crossover 🙃
@@SlowKawa640its an SUV, its pretty big in person. Still performs better than this smaller american shitbox
I guess the Ioniq 5 N would be the performance electric car to get, right? Just costs a tiny bit more but way more power, lasts 2 full laps, and even has the simulated ICE dual clutch experience as well. I like Tesla but for having fun it seems like every reviewer absolutely loves the Ioniq 5 N and it seems to offer objectively way more than the Tesla model 3 performance.
Tesla is from A to B, for fun Ioniq 5N.
@@senadhasanbasic260 If you like the fake gearbox, for sure. Otherwise Multilink/double wishbone of the Tesla remains superior to MacPherson strut imo.
@@rkan2 Ioniq does 2 ringlaps with no reduce in power. Clearly superior to the Tesla. The fake gearbox is a stupid gimmick, but Teslas are full of worthless gimmicks marketed as 'groundbreaking technology'
@@rkan2 hmm... I think Germany's TUV inspection revealed that Tesla had most # of defects with double wishbone and brake disc last two cycles (model s in 2022, model 3 in 2023).
@@tooltalk Yes, it is no surprise since there is more than double the amount of bushings in the front and you do not need to have service visits to maintain your warranty.
MacPherson was always cheaper to manufacture and maintain, but it cannot give the same level of control over suspension geometry. I never said you can have it all.
It’s clear that Tesla power is designed to just drag race from stop light to stop light a few times.
Yeah, that is why Micha says the handling is really really good
@@GenuineFlolieYeah so useful when the brakes are terrible and you cant complete one lap in full power. Lmfaooo
as TEsla officialy stated this is the fiirst car that is made for cornering as well, but they also said it is not for a track like the plaid with package.
it is for the real world where you never need the brakes.
so, nothing is clear at all.
people lack education and need to learn ev's.
before talking like you
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlcope
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Cope harder in your burning shitbox
Brakes can be upgraded, but it's impossible to reduce high battery temperatures.
That is not true. You can always fit a larger coolant pump, and the cooling strategy is programmable.
Once you break the car down into its individual subsystems and you'll realize that you can modify almost everything.
@@otm646 And Hyundai does the best.
@@kfx3907 Best is relative to price. The Hyundai is 20k+ more expensive.
The M2 soundtrack was the best part of the vídeo 🤣
Porches in the background in the intro.. 🫵❤️
Truth.
True...
lmfao
Positives: Nice seats...
Death machine on the track.
Yes, +60 °C is full power limit (UK owner asked Tesla). Nice lap for a stock car and there is apparenly what what you get - heatpump is underpowered to could batrery down. I did not know, that in +50°C the power restriction kicks already in. The only way would be modding of the heat pump and/or intercooler on battery loop.
The car is very quiet over 200 km/h speeds. Stock suspension bottoms out relatively easily on top speeds (from other videos), so be careful out there if not upgraded.
Modding the cooling circuit only gives you marginal gains as the limits are hard coded into the software, where the charge/discharge power of the battery is measured and once a ' summed limit' is exceeded, power is de-rated.
Also heatpumps are crap, already 4th going on mine... when overheated even worse. 🤐
Guess with upgraded brakes you don’t need regen, hopefully limiting battery temp.
You'd bottom out too with all that weight under yer ass
@@694tommie There is a video about that, already. Gutted M3P 2024, upgraded Brembo brakes (no regen), suspension and tires. Could not finish Nürburgring w/o overheating to +60 °C "max limp mode"/power reduction. And there was yellow flags/congestion in begin of the lap.
Misha: - Hey brakes?
Brakes: - Yep?
Misha: - Bye bye!
Awesome! I just picked up identical M3P in Ultra Red and gave back my 2021 M3P. The diff is not incremental but monumental! I'd love to see the video after upgraded brakes! Will be watching!
Telemetry showing peaks of 402kW which is 540HP, so it easely gets 500HP at the wheels!
I guess it does not really have a drive train, so losses should be minimal
Its 500 Dog Power not Horse Power
I have seen 405kW there for a brief time, so the power is really good.
It would just need some special race mode which will force cooling into max power even before the drive, to really cool the battery. The way Ioniq 5N does it.
That's not how that works lmao
they're probably displaying pack power so you need to account for losses in the cables to the inverters, inverter losses, motor losses, and cooling system draw before you even get to motor electrical power, let alone mechanical motor power, and then you still have the whole mechanical side of the powertrain
They're good for about 5 minutes 👍
In Turkey we have Körfez Track. Teslas are coming and going very soon because of breake failure. All Teslas need to upgrade disks for track use I guess.
performans ve long range fark ediyor mu hocam
Like any other stock car...
@@tauzN no? Hyundai Ioniq 5N
@@tauzN This is a PERFORMANCE car. Its unacceptable that the brakes are this bad.
@@Dawood4 Car manufacturers don't expect that you drive your car at Nürburgring. Electric cars are too heavy for turns of Green Hell.
Tesla 3 "50% Performance". Just "Track" mode give you 5%+ Hope 😂
That happens when you buy a car that only was build to beat cars on the straight ... Tesla is and never will be a Racecar for a Track, no matter how many Performance Pack they put on it
People buy these cars to drive to work and home and quickly have an instant burst of acceleration in traffic or at light. They have 911 at home for the weekend. Well, I do and many others i know.
@@borinvlogsso deluded😂😂
In my opinion, Tesla forgot the real meaning of "Performance".
They never knew what performance means in the first place.
Well Tesla's definition of Performance is the same definition used by the clueless kids that love driving fast in a straight line inbetween lights.
Even though teslas regen method is excellent for daily driving, its not actually ideal. As nice as the one pedal driving is, its actually better to coast on the highways than to regen. Regen is more useful and efficient in low speed driving. Furthermore Teslas dont actually regen to a high degree. Something like the Ioniq 5 N regens significantly more with the N pedal or whatever. That helps a ton on track because it uses the brakes a lot less
The N driver that hits the Nürburgring said the car does better when you disable regen and use the brakes.
@@MrPhatties I'm sure it does. But like when you aren't going for the fastest time the high Regen is nice because it conserved brakes and also kicked the back end out to square off. It's not perfect but it's a good thing to have the option of
Tesla 🤝 Bad brakes
Brembo brakes must suck!
@@larryc1616 They would be great on a Miata. Tesla just always under brakes their performance models
@@hacob2004because they always cheap out their cars
@@mateokovac2642 How else they gonna offer their cars for so cheap.
Look the Tesla Track Pack on the Tesla Model S Plaid. So they need to add this option to the new Model 3 Perf with an extra. But remember that this car cost less than 60k €.
2:33 - Misha i believe the reason the tires are so good (other than them obviously being Pirellis) is those are the EV specific tires that were originally developed in conjunction with Lucid for the mighty 900v Air Sedan, because IIRC that's the vehicle on which those EV specific Pirellis made their debut with the car's debut back in 2021 with those ones now being specifically tweaked for the HM3P. for additional reference, Pirelli also just worked with Ford/Stard to make EV specific tires for their latest 1600HP F150 Lightning Electric Super Truck which recently ran Pikes Peak 2024 with Romain Dumas driving (again) taking this years Top Time Overall with an 8min 53sec.553...
so indeed the current tire supplier to Formula 1 has SIMULTANEOUSLY been "super interested" in gathering data from high TQ/heavy weight EV's for some time, and directing it back into making a better EV specific tire for Production cars.
Tesla braucht ein Track Paket als Option mit großen bremsen ggf sogar carbon, extra kühlsystem, reifen und aufhängung dann wäre es auch was für den track sonst ist es nur für die Ampel...
'Track mode' 'Performance Model' and is shit on a track. Tesla is the definition of fake it till you make it
Misha Charoudin more than 1000 laps in the nurb saying literally that the handling of this new model 3 performance is Amazing but @valerystoichkov7429 saying the car is shit on track.
If we judge the car objectively, this is the real analysis we must have :
- Brakes are totally shit for track which is quite embarrasing for a performance car
- Handling is very good
- acceleration is very good
- top speed ok, quite low
- Battery get hot to quickly but seems to cool down quickly also. It's ok but dissapointed
- seats are very good
- suspension is good (or very good)
For less than 60 000€ the value is very very impressive but even with that low price (compare to concurrence) Tesla should not put these terrible brakes but I understand since most owner will not take their car on track. So the solution for this problem of bad brakes is they need to offer the option to buy better brakes from factory.
@@adilongaifyMisha also said this car doesnt deserve the word 'performance' in it, and it cant go even one proper lap. Sounds pretty shitty to me.
@@origaminefretami3480 I probably miss this moment, when does he says that ?
Also, don't be a stupid hater. The car have some really good (the acceleration, the seats, the suspension for the price is amazing) and some really bad (the Factory brakes mostly, and maybe the thermal gestion). If you just see the really bad then your opinion is biased.
@@adilongaifythe seats arent better than the ones from an equally priced Type R, suspension neither. And that car also has better brakes as well. And that car gets ZERO hype, because its a Honda.
Thank you so much. I have the new MP3 in Australia and will be taking it to a small handling circuit next week. My previous car, stock i30N had brake fade here after 3 hard laps but was manageable by braking a bit earlier. I think Tesla should recall and upgrade these cars if they’re not built for purpose as advertised.
The problem is they’re playing a numbers game here, most performance car owners (probably 99%) never track their cars. Did the owner of this car bed the brakes in at all? What level of regen was used on this lap?
LOOK at the scrub @ 2:37 on those super low pro tires!!!! Misha was working that car HARD. Awesome car, awesome driver.
Imagine taking corners in a loaded fridge with tire at 200
Alignment would help a lot with that. Not sure how adjustable it is without modification though
@@RICHYSUNCLE😂😂😂
@@RICHYSUNCLE😂
@@RICHYSUNCLE..except this car is lighter than an M3
Power Maximum!
5sek = 402kw
90sek = 339kw
Cold Down
120sek = 330kw
180sek = 310kw
240sek = 238kw
280sek = 200kw
310sek = 168kw
Horrible, didn't expect this from a newer Model 3 especially when considering that the old one was beating Taycan Turbo S on some Japan prix if I remember correctly because of cooling advantage...
Thats not correct according to the data in the video
Now with disabled regen
@@lukabosnjak3829 Agreed, didn't take much to overwhelm the cooling both in batteries and in braking. I guess I hoped this performance version would address these basic hurdles. It's clear the "Performance" designation is street performance = everyday driving, not for track use.
Hyundai's N-line is better suited to track abuse.
this is insane so many people thinking they are smart and laughing at the tesla while it is literally the best sports car ever made period
ther car is not supposed to be used like this it is made for the real world and it performs insanely well there, even the old one was faster than huracan or GT3 RS 0-60, now it even handles like a marvel.
it is absolutly pointless what you fgolks are pointing out, because the reason is you have no clue whatsoever.
on a track you need the brakes, which this car lacks because its not made for the track like the plaid with package.
in the real world you never need the brakes.
with amazing brakes the heating is gone.
also ICE rdrivers need to learn to not push n ev full throttle all the time, the power is just too much, even hyundai said this, cooling is everything in an ev on a track because of the insane power, litereally nothing else matters.
Yay! Temperatures visible!
Thanks for posting. I always wanted to see that "shortcut" and now I have.
After Misha showed me that been using it for rest of the day.
motor and battery early give up (temperature high. limp mode. power decrease)- ioniq5N is the better than driving in track.
아이오닉N이 대단하긴한거구나.. 테슬라는 열관리가 전혀안되네.
글죠.기본 배터리 성능이 개선 안되고 회생제동의 도움없이는 아무리 세라믹이나 좋은 세팅을 해도 결국은 쓸데없는 짓이 될뿐이죠.
I love this car,is so fast and so good handling but for track needs biggest brakes 💪💪💪
I loved the video. All the stats of motor, inverter, battery temps, max discharge and mac regen is awesome. thank you!
Kudo's to Enhance and their S3XY Buttons app/Commander box.
테슬라 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이오닉5 N 따라올 차가 없구나
엥~여기 왠 이큐님 ㅋㅋㅋ 방송 잘보고 있어요.
I feel like Hyundai actually got it right and Tesla just hasn't learned its lesson...
Hyundai got it right the first time
When it comes to everything else but track perfomance, I think Tesla knows their lesson.
Tesla made the car for the average joe, not the car enthusiast that pushes the car to its limits, so they can get away with brakes that overheat.
If you want to go fast, get better brakes.
@@TeJoeTheHoeproblem is that Teslaadvertisers like Jason Cammisa from Hagerty say that the Model 3 makes the Bmw M3 'irrelevant'...
While the M3 Xdrive is faster in straights and faster and more capable on tracks. Biased Teslapropaganda is the problem.
@@origaminefretami3480Hyundai has no choice to get it right the first time due to their reputation
The new Tesla Model 3 'Halfassed Performance'
you could not be more wrong it is literally the best performance car out there beating huracan 580 and porsche gt3 rs, well even the old one did, this one is even faster. this is all how it should be, the m3p is not for the track as Tesla stated.
it would make no sense.
that is like including a charger with an iphone when 99.99% alrteady have 5 of them laying arround everywhere.
you see
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl No one cares bro, stop yapping. Carguys care how a 'performance' car performs on tracks. And this shitbox got dusted by an old M2 right at the beginning.
It’s a great verdict. It’s really fast in public roads and has a great seating position + visibility.
Breakers can be changed.
You could either start with a lower SOC and take in more regen (save the brakes) but also risk overheating Battery.
I Brakes are upgraded, turn off regen, start with full battery (higher SOC means higher voltage, thus lower Amps and lower heat loss).
You also might wanna start with a colder battery (can it pre cool?)
I’d be curious to see the differences.
Yes, it does pre-cool in the track mode
I’ve owned a Model 3 for years and I drive it spiritedly. Also driven most every Tesla modal. The brakes are a weak point on all of them. Most people who drive them normally rely on the regen braking and don’t need to touch the crappy mechanical brakes. Hit the track and it’s a different story. Brake upgrades / track packs are a must on these cars for hard driving.
Misha out there putting Teslas on the stress bench.
Soon I'll get my answer from the court here in Norway if I win my case against Tesla for the horrible brakes on my Plaid. Long story short; it was markedet as a car you could drive on the track, but the brakes overheat after two corners. Hopefully a win here will get them to improve brakes on all their "track cars".
Best of luck, Tesla is almost immune to courts
@@safakhan3088 thanks. Luckily we have amazing consumer rights in Norway, including a free court for consumer cases. We also have a law that states that if something is marketed as X and that's why a consumer bought the product, the buyer can make the seller buy it back at cost. Considering the "going Plaid" video includes like 30% track footage with no * stating that better brakes are needed I think I have a good case. I also got a unbiased report from amcar club of Norway stating for a fact that the brakes are way too small (based on the horsepower and weight of the car) for any kind of track driving.
I would imagine that's a tough fight, even in Norway.
@@rkan2 it's with forbrukerklageutvalget now. They will review all the evidence that I have submitted, along with the unbiased/expert report on the brakes and come to a verdict. If I don't win, I have only lost some time. I hope and think I have a good case though. Will know in like 6 months time I think (long que).
You are paid by big oil, Tesla has no brake problems
I believe Brembo supplies both the calipers and the pads, so I'm not sure why Brembo wouldn't spec a better pad compound. Unless Tesla asked them to prioritize characteristics like brake noise and dust. Of course its possible there is also a big difference in cost, and Tesla wanted to hit a certain price point for this car.
Wow that color is insanely good
Can’t really call it a performance car when the brakes are that bad… yikes
Tesla needs a „Model 3 Competition“
You still can't catch the white car that overtook you at the beginning of the race. 😂 It looks fast with an amazing exhaust sound.
BMW M2, and it sounded great.
Thats an old M2 F87. Proper trackcar, not like this shitbox
Hi Misha! Thank you for making these awesome videos! One thing that stands out to me is the glare in some of your videos. We all know about a polarized glasses for this exact problem. I believe a polarized camera case, lense or film would make your videos much clearer, more enjoyable, and professional. Keep up the great work! 🇨🇿🇺🇸
I drive a Tesla model 3 and a g80. This is why a Tesla can’t keep up with the g80. It’s not about the 0-100 performance. It’s about the whole package. If you are buying a Tesla, you are only looking at the boobs, if you know what I am talking about.
has nothing to do with the boobs . saving about 2000euro a year on fuel is what does it for me . ( had my 2019 m3p since new , and now got 80 000km on it so yea i have saved quite a lot over the years compared to my old combustion engine car . )
I OWN both. Handling is just as good as my G80. Look at the title Einstein. Brakes are the only thing not ready for the Nurburgring. Use your brain bud.
Teslas are road cars they are not track cars 😂 you gnaw because the poorest Tesla destroys every sports car currently on the market. Eat your liver
Is this Nurburgring? Damn, love to drive on this track one day.
SUPER INTERESTING to watch your throttle on the track. before the break issues..
Regen cooks up the battery for sure
Finaly a really good and responsive interface for EV car statistics. Is this some king of special tracking device or infotainment addon?
So the Ioniq 5 N is 10k more in Germany and is a real performance car. I don't think it's even competition because you would need to compare to a Model Y but still
But the ioniq 5 makes big sacrifices in range and features. Good track car, but model 3 perf is gonna be the better daily
it’s more like 15k, but to be fair tesla itself says don’t use the brakes for track because the brake pads are designed for one or emergency brakes because in normal driving situations you don’t use brakes at all
I6n incoming...
@@thedumbconspirator4956 The 5N is the sporty version. For those who just want a daily, there's the regular Ioniq 5, which has better range and more features.
Better brakes and reduced regen should solve battery and heating issue.
That’s the plan for next 3 weeks😉
@@qrs13 subscribed to your channel, good sir. Brno zdravi!
@@qrs13 also if you supercharge before the track then leave the track mode on to cool the battery as much as possible.
@@KarlKristianMoeng sure, doing that already, I see all temperatures in the S3XY Buttons app
I hope they reduce the regen when testing with the new brakes. Lower regen will reduce inverter and battery temp increase during the run.
For the lap with BBK will be regen switched OFF. 😉
You have to turn on track mode to cool the battery and turn the regen off so the brakes are constantly working and won't overheat
That battery percentage drop though :O
No diffrent to a v8 mustangs fuel tank dropping
@@RICHYSUNCLE
You'd run out of battery sooner than you'd run out of fuel.
@@RICHYSUNCLE it's massively different. I can be back to full in a Mustang and back out on track in less than 5 mins. There isn't a supercharger on planet earth that can get a Tesla back to full in under half and hour, and a partial charge isn't enough for most track sessions (not to mention dangerous to yourself and other drivers).
@@chewthegum that is not true
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl
Misha used about 18% of his fuel each lap in the Mustang Dark Horse video. The Tesla here used 28%. So the Tesla would be drained after 3.5 laps, while the Mustang could do 5.5 laps.
Tesla - 'It's really, really hard to engineer a car for the track, but we're still king of the EVs'
Hyundai - 'Hold my beer'
I love how everyone is talking about these one lap wonders like they actually matter in the racing world.
@@PistonAvatarGuyIts simply because its an american brand. No one would care about Tesla if it would be chinese.
Porsche is the king of gas and EV. If we're being real. The new taycan turbo gt is best all around performance car u can get for an EV
But Porsche doesnt have fake pops and bangs on the speakers and fake combustion engine sounds tho...... thats the new benchmark for an "performance ev? ...
😂😂🤷♂️
@@G82Watts lol look at this porsche sales rep... your taycan turbo GT cost MORE than 4 times the price of 1 tesla model 3 performance ! for this price you can buy 2 teslas, one daily and one track focus on which you will have the budget to put carbon big brakes, carbon wheels, lexan all around and a full carbon body kit, big wing active aero and better custom made cooling system, you will still have the money to buy a FUCKING HOUSE !
Love the old style architecture, and seeing the drive out and to the ring. Would that be Bavarian style buildings? I use them in OpenTDD and Farm Sim
Afternoon Misha, have you ever considered using a 360 degree camera such as the insta 360 in the rear glass for a pseudo 3rd person effect? Would it be possible to test such a camera angle to see viewer opinion/reaction to the change?
Performance in Teslas means being faster to 37mph than the Diesel estate next to you at the traffic light. Thats it
wow you really have no clue even the old model 3 beat a huracan 580 and a porsche gt3 rs in 0-60, now htis one is even faster and this one is also fast in corners. but this is not made for a track like the plaid with package.
in the real world you never need the brakes.
people have no clue and are very quick at talking, especially if they have no clue whatsoever like you
@@JohnSmith-pn2vllove how you proved his point
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlYou just proved his point. Teslafans just continue to embarass themselves
I own one, and yes, the M3P is a street performance car, and not optimized for a track. Especially a massive track like this. 99% of drivers will never need track oriented brakes. Big track brakes need heat to work. Teslas uses regen braking so the brakes are rarely hot. Which would mean awful braking on public roads. Anybody that goes to a big track like this and wants serious track performance, you will need to do upgrades. You’re not going to get a track ready monster out of the box for 50k guys, I’m sorry.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlIn the real world you don't need 560 HP, too. 😅
다들 테슬라타면서 99% 서킷으로 가져 갈 일이 없다면서 필요없다는 자기위로 하는지 모르겠습니다.
왜 람보르기니와 페라리가 공도에서 멋저보입니까? 그들은 서킷에서도 잘 달리기떄문입니다. 그들은 일반공도에서 천천히 60KM로 다녀도 멋져보입니다
왜냐면 그들은 힘을 숨기고 있기때문입니다.
5만달러짜리 차를 40만달러짜리 차량 비교하고있네ㅋㅋㅋㅋ코미디 하냐?
@@teslanaires4952 알지 근데 서킷에서 쓰레기인건 ㅇㅈ이지
@@teslanaires4952자동차 구매자의 99%는 트랙에서 주행 할 일이 없지. 그렇지만 99.9%의 사람들은 트랙에서 쳐발리는 차를 타고 싶어하지는 않아. 그게 사람의 본능임. ㅅㄱ
@@bbabackpark7075 브레이크 배터리 overheat 되서 출력제한걸려도 왠만한차 다 따고다니는데 무슨ㅋㅋ 테슬라 살수는있냐?
트랙 가보긴했어? 방구석에서 박혀서 슈퍼카영상보니까 5만달러짜리 차보고 쓰레기라하네. 나가서 편의점알바라도 좀해라 어휴
@@teslanaires4952 누가머래? 트랙은 가져오지말라고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Pirelli Tires are amazing. I would take them over any other tires. I drove a very crazy pass with perfect roads for years in Northern California and always pushed my cars to the limit. I always liked my Pirelli tires more than my Michelins. My new car comes with Michelins - so I’ll have to deal with them until I’m ready for a new set in 9-12 months.
I really like Misha's review and opinion of the cars, especially this Tesla. He accepts electric cars also and doesn't have prejudice. He Just push to the limits and test the car at full throttle 🤣 If a car survives Misha's test than you can be sure that the car is good, very good 😊
That's exactly the reason I brought the car to Misha. Tesla did great job on suspension and handling, for the next iteration in their development cycle they just need to improve brakes and battery heat management/power limits. Perhaps new pack from CATL?!? That would be great! 😀
Most EVs need expensive carbon ceramic brakes to be driven in the track extensively except Ioniq 5N. Ioniq 5N has 0.6g regen brakes that can share the load with the mechanical brakes.
Additionally the Ioniq 5 N is the only EV that can even recuperate in ABS (0.2G)
That's not an exclusive EV problem, more like any modern high powered car. An above 2 tonnes RS6 or a BMW M5 wouldn't do too well without it's carbon ceramics. Steel brakes would at the very least be a huge unsprung weight penalty.
No they don't. BMW, Audi, Porsche all can do track runs without issues. This is a Tesla exclusive problem.
@@derbigpr500 아니요 그것도 자체로 만드는 배터리 기술이 없습니다. 다들 중국제 배터리를 씁니다. 한국껏도 쓰지만 아이오닉에 들어가는 배터리는 없습니다
They may have acceleration but not much else goin for it
Just made a test drive today! It’s an huge upgrade from predecessor! Honestly yes brakes still shit, but only if you drive like a race driver, full throttle brake just inside the corner and full throttle again. I made a nice funny drive in country roads with some corners just by using 90% regenerative braking. Its not like an M3/M2 but its fine! You can have a nice daily with some pepper! My verdict, if only brakes would be better it would be very very hard to compete with it price/performance. But if you have an extra 6k to put some great brakes problem solved!
should I wait for a needed “Track Pack”? pads won’t solve this issue right?
the battery temperature increasing speed is crazy! what's wrong with this car?
Its a Tesla. Thats whats wrong
Then why do we hear so often that Tesla has one of the best BMS, battery heading and cooling systems? Is it all just marketing blah blah?
@@momentum2564 Of course. Problems in Teslas get systematically played down, always. Part of their business model.
@momentum2564 if it's management system is so good, then why is Hyundai's leagues better? Hyundai.
@@momentum2564 They just aren't made for uses like this? I understand all the performance heads going wild in the comments about it because it's "performance" car, but that's all it is pure performance.
It's not a track car by any means, it's the best get from A-B, and Tesla made this car purely as a "look how fast we can go" not a "how fast can we go around the track."
Not sure why people aren't thinking about the fact that this is Tesla not focusing on a track car.
I honestly hope they make a proper track car like the roadster that stomps everything and puts this argument to rest...
Does it add rotation by applying brakes? Wondering why it smoked that early.
With ESP, every car would.
@@rkan2 No doubt about that, but I am wondering if it is a permanent thing. Giving the impression of a nimble car.
@@jk9436Should still be able to discern a Multilink/Double wishbone from a MacPherson strut :P The new Model 3 only changed suspension bushes and the adaptive shock absorbers AFAIK.
Maybe a bigger radiator or a coolant reservoir to help keep the battery temps down a bit? Obviously needs better brakes, but sounds like they have some brakes coming soon.
Wow, would love to see it again with brake upgrade!
edit: sounds like the owner is gonna try : )
that acelaration wow.. but the weight.. dear lord those breaks
Had no acceleration at the end though - what a stupid vehicle , none of them can do a single lap without wilting
its about 200lb/90kg heavier than a BMW M3
@@cw205mi16 2 things to consider here;
Electric motors set for acceleration over top speed will ofc lack in top speed as they reach max RPM and lose torque at the very top end. + The car got power limited towards the end of the lap due to temperature and/or lack of remaining battery power.
The car is electronically limited to seemingly 240kph, and from how fast it was still accelerating beyond 200kph, it very well could pass 240kph w.o. limiter
The car itself isn't stupid, it's just limited in some factors that could improve it.
Some tuning, maybe better cooling e.t.c. could improve it significantly.
Rented a model y performance and if using regen the brakes are fine, if no regen the brakes are probably the worst brakes I’ve felt on a “performance” car. Completely inadequate
Acceleration is not at all surprising
This just shows how well engineered other cars are (Lucid Air, Ionic 5N). No overheating, no brake issues...
You just gonna ignore all the other issues those cars have?
Tesla makes amazing cars.
You can't ignore the fact that the new model 3 has amazing sets of coil overs.
Just because there's one issue doesn't mean it's all bad.
It's very common for Teslas to overheat the brakes when you push it.
The brake pistons are great, they bite hard and make you stop, they just overheat easily.
For daily driving that's perfect, decent brakes, but can bite when needed.
@@TeJoeTheHoeso a Tesla Performance isnt a Performance car basically. The Lucid weighs half a ton more and performed better on the ring. So either the Lucid is a masterpiece or the Tesla aint great.
Brembo brakes must suck!
If you invert the rear view footage vertically, it would look like rear view mirror, and would makes more since on a screen configuration like this.
The way it is right now, is a little disorienting for me.
Have to turn down regen. Running lots of regen is like running an engine wide open all the time including braking - most would overheat without the heat dump that occurs when coasting and braking.
Tesla: "Sorry to brake it to you..."
Finally, someone knows how to spell.
wrong
Teslas said officially this is not for the race track.
that crazy just how lacking the brakes are.. cooked them in a instant. Dangerous!
that is not true at all since this car is not meant for the track, in the real world you never need the brakes at all, oyu can do 600.000km with the first ones easily, you also never overheat.
even the old one beat a GT3 RS and huracan 580 in 0-60, this one is even 0,3s faster than the old one and this one now also performs in corners, it is literally insane how good this car is.
ppl laugh at this video only if they have no clue
in reality this is the best sports car ever made no contest period
How does the handling compare to the stock Model S Plaid?
Would love to see how the battery temps increase when running on the Autobahn with higher speeds over a longer period of time. Will they overheat too? Or is this just a track specific thing?
As you wish, it can keep 263kmh just for a very few mins, depending on starting battery temp, then hits 60deg C power limit.
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