Why Yoda Didn't Believe Ahsoka, Ezra, Kanan and Cal Were "True" Jedi - Star Wars Explained
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Luke probably had the most terrifying jedi trial ever. People forget that he was still a padawan going off to confront two of the scariest sith in history
Yes, but they were also cripple....
@@TheDeathmail lol are you really trying to downplay what Luke did? The emperor was not crippled and neither was vader at the time of the confrontation
@@VileHearts Wasn't vader though? Hasn't it been established that the whole point of the suit was to nerf vader's power?
@@zzing yes it was and it made him vulnerable to force lightning. But saying he and Palpatine were both crippled therefore what Luke did wasn't impressive is just wrong. Even with the suits limitations Vader killed many, many powerful jedi. He was no push over by any means. Luke's power at that point was matching Vader's and only getting stronger. So was vader with his suit gimped compared to what he would have been if he didn't get injured? Absolutely. That being said, he was still roughly 80% of what Palpatine was which is still insane. Luke faced down two monsters and came out on top. I don't think anyone else could have done that
history?? nope they used to be much stronger b4 the rule of two
Ahsoka didn't think of herself as a Jedi and was probably stuck on Malachor, Ezra was in a different galaxy, Kanan died before A New Hope. Cal put a side being a Jedi to have a relationship with Merrin. Most of the other Jedi were hiding from the Empire after Order 66. Luke was the only one trained, helping the Rebels, taking on the Empire, trying to make the Galaxy a better place.
Jedi is just a club of force users.
You don't have to be in the club. Doesn't change anything.
Also the one who will bring back his father to his senses back to himself!
"You failed your highness. I am a Jedi like my father before me."
@@dverarde84 I just said the same thing you did in a different way.
Maybe you should be less aggro.
Thrawn did called Ahsoka as a Rorin. It’s because 1.) Ahsoka isn’t part of the Jedi Order anymore. 2.) Ahsoka was a Padawan before she left and she wasn’t knighted as a Jedi Knight.
+ @marwig87 Grasping for straws much?
Luke was trained as the last Jedi of the old order at the time by Obi-Won and Yoda, thus in his eyes he was the last trained Jedi. He was also able to stand up to Vader without any fear which was quite a feat considering his limited training with both masters and he didn't die, all others perished.
Luke was kind of half trained he was too old started late!
Of all Ahsoka represents what a true Jedi should be, she served with Yoda, served with other Jedi masters of different skills and learned much in her time to know that the Jedi order deviated from the way!
So in a sense, Yoda wasn't wrong, he only spoke from his understanding of The Force at the time, and from what The Force revealed to him. He said exactly what he was supposed to say.
Yoda simply told Luke what he needed to hear. Rather than reveal that there were other Force sensitives out there he made it clear to Luke that he alone needed to step up to the plate and defeat Darth Vader.
That’s how I’ve kind of always thought of it. Even back in the day.Cause it’s like out of the survivors of order 66 and just the galaxy in general, it’s not impossible that there’d be a Jedi or force sensitives some where out there.
Agree. Kenobi said he's the last hope and he goes there is another. All he did was push him to take on Vader and bring back the order. He was well aware there were other force wielders that used the light side of the force. Even if he didn't officially call them jedi.
the sw lore is messy because of the order the movies were made. Let's face it, 50 years ago neither Yoda nor George Lucas knew of other Jedi ...
@@RandomGuy-lu1enthat’s correct when the original star wars movie came out there was no disney series or anything else before it. So all this speculation and making new stories fit doesn’t work.
All the others have ret-conned(put in after the film was made) but that still doesnt take away that yoda HAD TO SAY THAT! Luke was searching for a way "not to face(& cut down his father!) vader! Yoda had to say your the the last, the new hope, only you can do it and it needs done now, and know how much luke wanted to be" a true jedi", added in "your training is incomplete only by facing your fears ie Vader will you finally be a jedi!! So whether other jedi or force users existed? Doesnt matter, to that moment, for luke there were no others to do His job
The vision of the grand inquisitor knighting Kanen was a vision conjured by Yoda making it so that in a way Yoda was the one to actually knighted Kanen. Besides, Kanen being a knight shouldn’t contradict the lore since Kanen was dead by the time of ROTJ.
Yoda didnt conjure that vision. It was just a vision Kanan got when he was at a jedi temple. Yoda doesn't have the ability to create visions like that
The force knighted kanan same as it did cal, even yoda couldn't argue with that
@@NovaeGal There’s a segment on Wookieepedia that addresses that it was Yoda’s doing
“After the Pau'an's death over Mustafar, the former Jedi Grand Master Yoda utilized a vision of the Grand Inquisitor as his former Jedi Temple Guard self to appear before Jarrus in the Jedi Temple on Lothal”
@@NovaeGalagain though kanen was dead by the time of ANH snd cal gave up on his title of jedi while also being in an entirely isolated part of the galaxy, a part of the galaxy which yoda likely was never able to project himself to which would mean that to yoda cal was presumed either dead or he gave up his connection to the force.
@@alecjackman2655wookiepedia isn't official and is written by fans.
I can't say Cal was a ruthless killer to his enemies. He spared Second Sister, turned Merrin to his side, tried to reason Ninth Sister, Dagan and Bode, even Taron Malikos and Rayvis. Yet every time he hits the wall, they try to kill him and he's forced to strike them down. Remember that even cutting Ninth Sister's arm didn't stopped her, unlike Vader who chose to loose to Luke (don't even debate me that Luke was as strong as prime Vader, he could've crushed the entire throne room with the force if he wanted to)
His treatment to fodder meat however... Let's just say he does what is necessary to survive, if that means leaving no witnesses.
With Ezra, I can see why Yoda doesn't see him as a Jedi.
Ezra was born around the same time that Palpatine destroyed the Jedi order and turned the Republic into the Empire. Ezra never had a chance to be raised and trained by the Jedi like Kanan, Ahsoka, and Cal have. It doesn't matter if these 3 individuals don't see themselves as Jedi because in Palpatine's eyes, they ARE jedi and will see to it that they are eliminated just like the rest. Yoda wasn't lying when he told Luke that he was the last Jedi because by the time he said that, Kanan was already dead, Ezra was trapped on Peridea, Ahsoka was trapped on Malachor, and god knows where Cal is.
I hope Cal Kestis was alive and well.
yoda also is protecting survivors by not telling Luke who has a link with vader. he can tell Obi wan but not Luke yet
As you said, the truth is that Lucas wrote it as Luke being the last Jedi. If you want to retcon, though, it is much easier and more logical to say Yoda lied to Luke so he would fulfil his destiny and become a Jedi despite the short training.
Good.
Have to roll my eyes at this video. Lucas wrote this in the early 80s. These characters didn't come until much later.
@@ValiaEstri Yup; I get retconning and some of his arguments make sense, others like the sanctity of life thing... bit less, considering Luke's bodycount after he destroyed the Death Star
I agree that Luke is the last jedi and that its consistant with new "canon
Yoda was the last jedi master
and luke was the last student
regardless of other force users, luke is the last disciple of the jedi order
@@zedbruh7212 What about Anakin that gave the last lesson to Ashoka and completed her training? Does it count,l wonder.
My problem always with the line from Yoda was the whole sentence, "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." To me it can be interpreted in two ways and only because of one word, Jedi. As we know the word Jedi is both singular and plural. I know sometimes there are a few people who say, Jedis with a different dialect or accent, but sticking to the point. Since Jedi can be both singular and plural you can then interpret Yoda's sentence, as in Luke is the Last Jedi as Yoda probably believes all the other Jedi are dead or that they have forgotten who they are and now live normal lives. Or, that Luke is now part of the handful of Jedi that are left and with Yoda's death, their numbers still dwindle, yet Yoda can still sense the other Jedi in the galaxy and is in a way telling Luke to not forget about them.
You won't forget you're a Jedi.
@@bobfg3130 Forgotten doesn't necessarily mean to literally forget. It could be as simple as just abandoning the path. Cal did it for a time when he was in hiding, Bode did it, the inquisitors did it and most famously Vader did it
Well I know I'm late to this, but dagobah was particularly strong in the dark side of the force. And yoda had been dimming his senses and aging there for decades. It's entirely reasonable that his living attachment to the force was weakening in that process to become a force ghost. Only knowing of luke because he expected him to come, and justified by only directly knighting kanan decades before. And he was in a temple so extra light force amplification. There are alot of factors here that I think could justify yoda not knowing past kanaan.
I have an idea , what if Yoda wanted Luke to believe he was the last Jedi , because he believed in a chance that Luke might turn to the dark side . Thus preventing him from potentially harming any hiding jedi.
Agreed
Scarcity of Jedi was an important part of the jeopardy in taking on Darth Vader. Even when it was hinted that Leia could be force capable it was limited intentionally.
He was super close after all. He used raw negative emotion to strike Vader down and cut off his robotic hand
No
As a force casual, I think the title of Jedi is overrated. If one is force sensitive, has good intentions, and is formally trained in said force, that is all that matters. The title of Jedi can kick rocks. "In order for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing" - Benjamin Franklin
The problem with Yoda and Obi-Wan's thinking is that was exactly the mindset that got the old Order wiped out. Their old ways didn't sit with Luke and he found the third alternative that saved Anakin from the Dark Side whereas they thought Luke or Vader had to die.
Well we dont know what was in Yodas mind cause he felt a need to be a crazy hermit to frustrait Luke and I bet only hand full know Grogu was alive
I think Yoda was mentioning a true Jedi trained in the old traditional ways as well as keeping to the Jedi code, at least as far as one can go in this point in time. Obiwan helped Luke with blade combat while Yoda helped with tapping into the force.
Kanaan is a true Jedi but is dead by this point, Ezra was at Peridia plus trained outside the confines of the Order, and both Cal and Ahsoka were ronin operating differently than Yoda’s view of a Jedi. One was more of a rogue while the other renounced the title.
One key bit of information in the novel of ROTJ is that both ObiWan and Yoda still had the old order mentality of eliminating someone that’s too far gone. All throughout the fight between Luke and Vader both ObiWan and Yoda were telling Luke to strike down his father that he was too far gone to be redeemed. They were both proven wrong in the very end when Anakin fulfilled the prophesy.
@@VerticalBlank If anything Dooku did have the right idea, but went about solving the problems the wrong way by radically challenging the Republic and the Order.
The Jedi labeled him as a radical idealist because they couldn’t see that they themselves were apart of the problem in the galaxy. In a way henchmen of the Republic to subjugate rather than assist and help the galaxy and serve the force.
I at least can understand why the Jedi wanted to make sure any natural born force users can be trained in the Light so that no more Sith can be made, by Legends standards, yet in the end they didn’t give the children a choice if they wanted to be a Jedi or not. At least Luke did have a choice after his encounter with Vader on Bespin. He almost called it there of renouncing his way of the Jedi, but he didn’t. After his mechanical hand he continued his training in both blade work and the force realizing that if he didn’t try then there wouldn’t have been anyone else. In his mind that was the case before realizing he had a sister.
@@VerticalBlank In Tales of the Jedi you can see how Dooku didn’t like what the Republic was doing to their own civilians. Maybe not all of them were corrupt, but a good amount of representatives were money hungry. It’s very similar to what happened between Cham Syndulla and Senator Taa.
Dooku did delve into the Dark a few times due to the hate of corruption. If you saw into the later episodes Qui-Gon was the last reason for Dooku to remain in the Light. He saw him as a son and now that he was gone Dooku didn’t see any reason to remain in the Order.
Interestingly, Dooku was the most political out of any Jedi mainly for the people’s rights and liberations from the corrupt senate.
Now going to the idea if Qui-Gon was still alive well then Dooku more than likely would’ve stayed with the Order and if either he or Qui-Gon or both taught Anakin then he could’ve been unbeatable in his blade work as well as furthering his connection in the force exponentially more than just with ObiWan alone. Pretty much the Sith Grand Plan would’ve stopped at Sidious maybe even before the Clone Wars.
@@VerticalBlank They do not abduct younglings. They let the parents decide, and if they say no they leave them alone
@@InfiniteNaosHence why the duel of fates was so important.
@@dhdusidjdjso It was considered abduction because many parents only had maybe 1 or 2 years to spend with their children before they were taken. Now in Legends the Sith weren’t shy to force sensitive child abduction or even what Cad Bane did under a Jedi robe disguise.
Even the Bardottan people considered the Orders ways of inducting children into the ways of the Jedi as abduction.
Most likely because these characters were not written into the series when yoda kicked off… just like future characters who haven’t been created yet
No. You are supposed to contrive some increasingly absurd explanation to reconcile all these projects in your head canon. You are doing Star Wars wrong!
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@@stevena.7022lol
Ashoka never did actually return to the order
Ah yes. The fun answer.
Ashoka didn't considered herself a Jedi, but she was the last Jedi to pass her trial and to be recognized as a knight by the fulll Jedi Council before the Order 66. Even with all her shades of gray, I like to think she is the Last Old School Jedi, and Luke is the First New School Jedi.
This exactly! In addition Ahsoka defeated Maul on Mandalore and numerous inquisitors during the years before Yavin. In my opinion, she had the most Old School Jedi training and experience but she recognized that the order was not her place and that showed how much she was guided by the actual light side instead of the Order. In many ways she was similar to Qui-Gon but she might have been more attuned after The Daughter resurrected her on Mortis. There are some who theorize that she is the new avatar of the light side in mortal form.
@@DerektheMenace I love this hypotesis!
Yoda and Obi One passed on the majority of their knowledge and training to Luke. He was the only one of the group to have completed his training with actual Jedi at this time. Ashoka kind of finished her training when she learnt her last lesson from Anikan.
Yoda was only right about Luke being the last Jedi as far as the old order was concerned. Yoda was completely wrong about the others as they had to adapt to survive for the jedi order to one day thrive.
Not really since Luke wasn’t of the Old Order. Luke wasn’t trained under the Old Order. He was a Jedi yes, but belonged to no order until he founded his own. Cal on the other hand was of the Old Order.
Nobody could expect torrent of Disney crap "Jedi", not even Yoda 😆
Canon: Ashoka had relinquished the title of “Jedi” prior to the rise of the Empire. Kanan and Cal had never fully graduated past the point of Padawan and thus never fully graduated to the ranks commonly associated with being a Jedi. Ezra never had what could be considered a real “Master” since Kanan never officially ascended past Padawan. So while technically all are proficient in Jedi arts and in use of the Force, none are technically what would be considered a “Jedi”.
Real world: None of the characters existed in 1983 when RotJ released and the stories were written as if they never would. One of the issues with Lucas writing the franchise like Yoda speaks.
Kanan was knighted by Yoda/The Grand Inquisitor
Kanan got knighted the vision was created by Yoda so that makes him a Jedi but Kanan died before RotJ
Anakin was Asoka's master while not being an actual master
+ @zeldamaster702 Your side note is very important. In the context of when the movie was made, Luke WAS the last. When they made Clone Wars and later Rebels, those words are now in doubt, like "he told Luke what he wanted to hear" and BS like that. Originally, that is how Yoda was written to say and meant it.
It's crazy to insist all these projects are related.
I'm probably gonna sound stupid here but wouldn't Cal be considered a true jedi knight too as Cere knighted him towards the end of Fallen order? Also the same for Kanun/Caleb as he was knighted too
@ReconViper1 Thank you for clarifying I'd forgotten I asked this question
I think Yoda lied, He told Luke what he needed to beat Vader, Luke needed to face Vader himself, to get over the mental block of his father being Vader and face the fact alone
It’s hard to say for Cal since Cere was a Jedi master already before the purge and didn’t she knight cal?
Formally, by the Old Jedi standarts, she wasn't a Jedi anymore at this point. The order was quite unforgiving about any deviations from the rules, and this one specifically was considered to be irreversible.
I remember reading one of the old EU novels a long time ago where Kenobi lets Luke know that he is the Last of the old Jedi... and first of the new Jedi.
I always wondered why the sith and jedi made holocrons that connect to each other considering they mortal enemys you would of thought they would never let the enemy get into their knowledge
The reason Yoda said Luke was the last Jedi was because back in 1983 ahsoka, kanan Ezra and Cal didn't exist yet but I do like fun theories that add and explain the history and retcons. I do wish Disney would stop treating Luke so bad though in favor of the new characters. In my opinion Luke has been done do dirty these last few years I would like for him to have a comeback. Maybe a tales of the jedi episode that shows his badassness idk but I honestly feel Luke is being pushed aside and it's sad because he was one of favorite jedi
Yoda said what he said because at the time of writing those lines he was in fact the only Jedi. Go figure Lucas did not plan for characters wrote 40ish years later.
First off Kanan was long dead by this point, Ahsoka had left the order and admitted herself she’s not a Jedi, Ezra was stuck in another Galaxy and presumed dead and Cal we don’t know but definitely was a Jedi. Other Jedi apart from Yoda and Obi-Wan had survived Order 66 in both canon and legends.
yeah idk why Kanan is even in this discussion considering how long he'd been dead by then. also I'll be shocked if Cal survives the next Jedi game
@@noahmarshall873Cal is either dead , or like Ezra, in the Unknown regions or exploring wherever regions Tanalorr is located. Kanan is dead, and Ahsoka is MIA and would still not help given if she did help Luke in ROTJ, she would just piss Vader off. There’s a reason why Luke is still special.
I think it is more unfair to assume that Yoda was close-minded based on some after-the-fact retcons. He DID mention Lea as a possible replacement for Luke, should he fail. And she wasn't trained by anybody.
It's not like he didn't learn anything from the mistakes the Jedi made before their fall.
Yoda wasn't closed minded by ANH, Obi-Wan was the closed minded one by ANH. I'm starting to believe there's another force-user (Not Qui-Gon or anyone we've met before) that Yoda encounters during exile that pushes him back to traditional Jedi philosophy, and perhaps Yoda, but not Obi-Wan, recognizes as an immediate second option should Luke fail and the Death Star stayed operational, as their wouldn't be time to train Leia up enough to beat any of the 3 Sith.
Ahsoka rejected the Jedi Order.
Kanan was dead
Ezra was trained to functionally use his force abilities without falling, but Kanan did not teach him doctrine
Cal stopped being a Jedi just like everyone else after Order 66
Also, as stated, none were knighted by ritual
I just like to think that by the time of ROTJ, Yoda hadn't been in contact with anyone else in years, so as far as he knew, Luke was the only one left. And/or he just told Luke what he needed to hear.
Despite Kanan being dead and Ezra being in a different galaxy by the time of Return Of The Jedi they were as true of Jedi as you could get by the end of Rebels.
True
Exactly. Yoda oversaw both their trials. That's why he had Kanan knighted and allow Ezra to get his very own kyber Crystal, and Yoda did it all from his home. He's too cool😎
Kanan was like Obi Wan. He would have been a great Jedi.
I think that we have to keep in mind that George Lucas wrote this story about the Skywalkers. It was supposed to be centered around the Skywalkers and I think that explains it all.
In my opinion Yoda was a contradiction, he was both wise and foolish. He acknowledged that the Jedi needed to change but still stubbornly held on to the dogmatic practices that led to the downfall of the Order.
Ahsoka should join luke. He can be the leader of a new era while she ensures he doesnt follow the mistakes of the last
Cal in my opinion is a jedi sentinel on the edge on being a grey jedi
I think Yoda learned from the Force the other surviving Jedi across the Galaxy have destinies that do not lie with rebuilding or representing the Jedi Order, but Luke does.
I actually prefer the last sentiment you brought up, at that point when Yoda said those things, Ashoka was not technically a Jedi, Kanan was dead, Ezra was MIA, and as of now we don’t know where Cal was at that point. I like to believe that Yoda gained a level of clarity in the Force on Dagobah that he hadn’t been able to achieve during the time of the Republic and the fog of the Clone Wars. And that by then he would’ve seen the new Jedi as the future of his fallen order. After all I think it would be arrogant for us to say that Luke was the only one at that time who wasn’t struggling to be a Jedi. He faced his own pull to the dark side and his own challenges, but I think I would say that both Ezra and Cal at least had faced enough challenges in their own struggles to become Jedi, that they could be considered knights who faced their trials. Ezra sacrificed over a decade of time with his friends to save countless lives on Lothal and possibly billions elsewhere in the galaxy from Thrawn’s might. And Cal had fought Vader and survived and also helped a fallen Jedi see the light just before her death, and he saved possibly hundreds of younglings from the Inquisitorious by destroying that holocron. But while all that is true, Yoda might have thought them dead by that point. I like that version so that’s my head canon now.
When the real reason is because they didn’t exist yet😂
I agree, Yoda didn't really appear to be such a stick in the mud about the Jedi institution when he was with Luke. So I say this theory's conclusion on Yoda's perception of Luke being the last Jedi is invalid.
Well, Cal and Ahsoka didn't count in his mind since they didn't align or identify with the Jedi ways and Code, nor title. Kanan died rather early on in regards to the timeline of the Empire so, he wouldn't have been alive during Yoda's mental count.
Luke was the only Force User actively training in the Jedi Arts, and accepting the title of Jedi as it was known before the Purge.
They didn't count his mind because he didn't freaking exist All you guys talking about these post Jedi characters as if they were originally created when this story was they didn't even exist yet fools
There's an argument to be made that Yoda's reason for not telling Luke isn't because he didn't consider the other four force sensitives Jedi. Me I subscribe to Yoda doing a Master Roshi and telling Luke what he needed to hear to strive to be a better Jedi, Luke could of went into Jabba's palace or the Second Death Star thinking "it's ok if I get defeated here then the other four have this." stifling his growth whereas if he thought he was the last surviving Jedi then he'd fight with everything he could and continue trying to strengthen himself, and his ideals.
In Legends, Luke did certain things different. He was not as strict about some aspects which made sense as during the time of the Old Republic the Jedi had lost their way.
But as for my opinions, Ezra was out of the Galaxy so I agree with you that there was no contact with him. He didn't know whether he was still alive or not. Kanan was dead at this point. I don't think he knew Grogu survived. (Even though he wasn't mentioned here.) As for Ahsoka she doesn't see herself as a jedi. She may see herself as a grey Jedi or her own type of force user, though in the clone wars around the end Yoda seemed accepting of her. So maybe it's an open door to her to be a Jedi again if she wished. So I think if she chose to go through a knighting ceremony followed by the trials he would have seen her as one. Provided she chose to and found a way off of Malacore by that time to do so. As for Kal, he didn't attempt the trials or have a knighting ceremony. Yoda wasn't in contact with him at least not during the events of Fallen Order. This may have changed during the time of Jedi Survivor I haven't played the sequel yet so I may be wrong about a few things there.
But getting back to what I said,
Luke may be more open to seeing them as Jedi if he's not as strict. He's not Yoda so he may show more leeway. Especially since he didn't experience the trials himself or have a knighting ceremony. He knighted himself after refusing the darkside. It's basically a genesis thing, he's the first of the new, not the last of the old. Remember many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
Ahsoka is a Jedi in all but name. She was about to be knighted but walked away.
So she is knight level in skill and as far as the trials are concerned. Basically Ahsoka just walked away without claiming her Degree.
I wonder if Cal Kestis at some point during his personal crusade met or knows about Ahsoka Tano
He will
He's killing multiple inquisitors, wipeing out an entire ISB base's and killing a lot of troopers and bounty hunters I know it's a video game, but given how much trouble he's giving the empire, he has too be either well hidden or dea by ANH
@@ronanwaring3408 well technically Cal only killed one Inquisitor but I see your point
He hasn't met ahsoka yet and possibly never will. But, it will be so cool if he does and she teaches him stuff. Maybe they could even go on a mission together.
The galaxy is a big place.
Saul Garerra only met his end 24 hours before A.N.H. So, he may yet be alive.
I also believe Yoda thought Luke was the only one potentially strong enough in the force to defeat Vader and Palpatine
"I'm not a Jedi, I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."
"Ah yes, many people has them."
"Ligthsabers?"
"Questions."
1:40 funny how plugging one leak causes another, because if this is true there's really no reason for Luke to have died in episode 8. Yoda was casually projecting himself through the Force at what, 800 years old? Living much the same lifestyle that hermit Luke was. Imagining Rian Johnson giggling like a maniac while he makes Mark Hamill do this seveneth green milk guzzling take before just casually killing him off for no reason at all is mildly infuriating.
Luke also choked the guards at Jabba's palace.
Ahsoka = Padawan. It was confirmed she never finished her training. This is even brought up in the "time between worlds" episode. She also left the order.
Ezra = Padawan trained by a Padawan. He never completed his training either as a Jedi. Maul taught him a bit but that was all Sith stuff.
Kanan = Dead.
Cal = Padawan. I mean for gods sake, did everyone forget he was just a kid when Order 66 happened?
Luke = only one to finish his training by a Jedi Master. Also note, even Kenobi stated to Yoda in ESB, "There goes our last hope." Of course Yoda announces that there is one other which was Leia.
Ahsoka = light-sided independent. Remember, she left the order entirely.
Kanan = Was knighted in a Force vision... oddly enough by the past version of the temple guard who eventually became the Grand Inquisitor. Not sure if this counts or not, it probably doesn't officially but does as far as the Force itself cares. Still dead though.
Cal was knighted by Cere.
To be fair to ahsoka, she was offered the title of jedi knight. She turned it down and left the order.
6:59 yeah I'm sorry but you couldn't be more incorrect. Cal avoided taking as many lives as possible in every cutscene, even when fighting the the Inuisitor sister (can't remember her name).
I've always considered Ahsoka one of the few who truly upheld the ways of the jedi. in fact it's quite telling that she was able to heal a bleeding kyber crystal. but yes, we should respect her wish not to be called a jedi
she abandoned the rules of the jedi and does not follow them. although a lot of her beliefs align with the jedi she makes her own choices based on her own judgement, not by the jedi code.
The Jedi is a cult and you’re not supposed to be attached to things like cults. It’s weird that none of them ever noticed this.
She is not real
poniessssss!!!!!
I can understand those who write that other Jedi were not there during the OT because Lucas determined so, but he himself later allowed in the old EU for Jedi who survived Order 66, such as Qu Rahn, Kam Solusar (padawan), Empatojayos Brand and a few others. Apparently, by the way, Yoda's death was Marquand's idea, not Lucas'.
From a certain point of view. That's the key phrase in Star Wars, and from a certain POV, Luke was the only living, active, light-aligned Jedi around that the last surviving Jedi Master and Council member considered to have completed their training.
Yoda, as well as the rest of the council, said Ahsoka had gone through her trial at the end of season 5 after barress betrayed her. She had turned coming back to the order & becoming a knight down & left the order instead. Yoda still respected that one would assume.
I get Ahsoka because of her real separation from the order. Kanan was technically only a padawan when Order 66 happened and that set him on a different course. But he still somehow basically became a Jedi master in Rebels to Ezra, who definitely seems like a Jedi to me by all accounts, which is the most confusing out of everything here. He might not have been trained at the temple on Coruscant, but he did have a LOT of experience at various ancient Jedi temples and SITH temples too. Ezra is the one that doesn’t make much sense because he’s full Jedi material, while Kanan was absolutely acting as a Jedi Master himself even with the order gone. Maybe Yoda just didn’t know about them, but still.. I mean he sensed that Leia was one and she hardly had any action or Jedi training at all. So why did he not sense Kanan and Ezra, especially when they faced off against Maul and Vader - and how did Kanan become a master alone in the wild? that I don’t understand
In rebels, Kanan took Ezra to the temple in Lothal to go thrift the trials. Yoda, not only put Extra thru his trials to become an official Padawan but he also tested Kanan as well. Both of them passed. Yoda, they the force Knighted Kanan and Ezra became an official Padawan by receiving his very own kyber Crystal. It's in the rebels, I think it's in season 2. But Yoda made them both official, thru the force, in the Jedi temple Ezra found on Lothal. It's cool because the force led him to the temple. Watch season one, I think that's when he first found the temple.
I always thought it was to protect the others. Luke was fully trained, but lacked the practice to keep all of his thoughts from Vader or Sidious. Which would be wise as he gives up his sister.
I actually thought the same thing!
From reading lots of comments, I think people misinterpret what it means to be a Jedi. A Jedi is a narrow term like the Sith. They are both groups of force users but they also believe in a specific dogma and usually act with a certain code. That's it. One can leave the Jedi way / Order (even if it's been destroyed such as RotJ when Yoda makes this claim.) He sees himself as the last Jedi, a member of the Jedi Order that had stood for 10,000 year. He follows the dogma / code and lives with those ideals and passes them on to Luke or the philosophy he retains in that current era. -- Could Luke had been trained in the Force and not been a Jedi? Absolutely.
There are many force traditions that are within the Galaxy, although the Jedi being the most prominent with in respect of their relationship with the Galactic Republic / Empire (Sith). Just because Yoda said Luke was the last of the Jedi didn't mean there weren't other candidates to become Jedi, just that from there on, it would be up to Luke to carry on the tradition from Master to Apprentice, which is what the Jedi had practiced.
From what we know of there quite a few established Force Organizations in cannon (some are left undetermined in Legends), however you wouldn't call these individuals 'Jedi" even if they represented similar ideals or philosophies. It's simply from Yoda's perspective that Luke is the 'official' last Jedi, which of course Yoda being the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, it makes sense with this logic.
Excellent video!! Very thought provoking! Best one yet
Question, does what Anakin did for Ahsoka qualify as her Knighting? Or is it just good to move on from that paradigm and establish a more pragmatic Order of Force Users?
Considering Kanan was knighted in a memory I’d take it as a knighting but I think she’s better as a Ronin
Yoda did ask Ahsoka, personally to come back to the Jedi order, and she said no. Maybe that is why Yoda wouldn't consider her a Jedi. Although that was when Ahsoka was young, in this season she completed her training, she is now a Jedi.
I’ll say that toward the end of the clone wars, Ahsoka got accused for murder & Anakin found the true culprit before Ahsoka got punished. Yoda & the rest of the council tried to twist their wrong-doings by saying that was her “Knighthood final trial and that she passed” & wanted to do the ceremony. But she said, No thank you. We all know Yoda & the old council was being manipulated from the very beginning which also led to this situation and her leaving this corrupted Jedi order and their laws. She received another trail in this last season where she became a true Je’ Daii from the very beginning where the balance the light and dark.. hopefully we see more of that
She was dead in his vision so maybe he rather her stay as she was even though he always probably called her padwan
The reason Cal isn't as merciful as Kanan or Ezra is because ever since the age of a padawan, all he knew was that he was another weapon in an unrelenting war. That's why he can't even walk away from fighting even when he has the choice to do so. All he ever knew was fighting.
What do we learn from the Ahsoka series about being a Jedi. As Anakin said, "As Jedi, you need to adapt to the time". Their trials are unique to each individual and so is their path through the force. Any thoughts?
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Yoda said it because George Lucas had not created Ahsoka, cal, kanen and ezra when the movie came out
Thank you lmao; people trying to fill plot holes made by shitty planning, and lack of hindsight/foresight gets on my nerves. Sometimes it can be fun, but not when the studios blatantly don’t give a fuck. Knowing we’ll patch their lack of care for the source material with our passion for the franchise.
This is the out of universe reasoning. The video is trying to find an in universe one
Yoda was aware of Ezra he was telepathically talking and helping him with getting his kyber crystal and Yoda spoke to Kanan
Actually I think Yoda didn't believe that they still existed. At this time Ezra Bridger was in another galaxy, Ahsoka considered herself not a jedi, kanan was dead, Cal was busy with a nightsister. So Luke Skywalker was the last genuine jedi. Great post ❤
In the clone wars before Ashoka left the order Yoda had offered her the promotion to Jedi Knight after Anakin had proved her innocence.
I figure that Yoda was just referring to the old orthodox Jedi way that the order adhered to for the last thousand years of its existence. Ezra, Ahsoka and Cal are all more like a much older type of Jedi.
I love that you didn't gender yoda because no one knows for sure what's lurking under that sexy little robe
yoda is male.@@stanaccountm9502
Yoda is a man's muppet.
OR to bring a little reality into it, the dialogue was created and said decades before Cal, Kanan and Ashoka were ever considered or created. The entire line of dialogue would have to be totally retconned. I am aware this will NOT be a popular answer.
Should be the only answer but Stupedous Wave and many other channels have to make money somehow instead of getting a real job so here we are arguing over make believe of a make believe….
Great video. I have to disagree on one point.
Obi-Wan and Yoda were absolutely right to tell Luke to stay out of the fight on Bespin. If you look at the actual events of the movie, his interference made absolutely no difference.
In fact, Leia and co. had to break off their escape and go back just to rescue him.
"Other than Luke displayed the proper sanctity of life." while Luke, killed troopers on the Death Star to save Leia, destroyed the Death Star which killed millions, destroyed AT-AT's filled with troopers, force choked the Gamorrean guards, Force grabbed a gun to shoot Jabba in the face, slaughtered Jabba's men and told Leia to purposely point a giant gun at the deck to blow up Jabba's barge killing them all.
To be fair Kanan was probably closer to being a jedi. Cal definitely isnt considering he ised guns. Taps into tge dark side. Granted he still has a lot of jedi traits.
It’s considered that Cal is similar to Ahsoka with the title of Jedi Ronin. He was knighted by Cere, but didn’t operate by the traditional rules of a Jedi.
I mean you could consider Cal as a Grey Jedi of sorts. They did use the dark side but for the greater good. As for guns,
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@@KingShibesure they “Where” before, than the Order pushed them out .
@@KingShibe It’s noted in Legends that out of every Jedi that was present in the Order the Grey Jedi hated ObiWan the most.
He was the equivalent of the “corporate yes man.” ObiWan rarely said anything that went against the councils decisions. Though he did have a seat with them he didn’t say anything that would arise any debates or question any sort of rules.
That’s why Qui-Gon refused a seat on the council even though he was considered a master. He was a maverick within the Order and followed the guidance of the force rather than getting in line and following orders given by the Republic.
So yes Grey Jedi were a thing before the Order pushed them out and had them banished.
It's interesting that Luke was trained in some very simple spiritual basics and techniques, and wasn't saddled with the Jedi Code and all that stuff. Obi-Wan and Yoda simply trained him to connect to the Force, and that was that. Was it that Yoda recognised all this stuff was getting in the way, and saw Luke's back-to-basics training as purer than the others?
Luke has a pure soul, he is chosen by Obi and Yoda to be the one to guide the new line of Jedi. The others like Cal and Ezra had seen too much shit in the galaxy (not of their own fault), surviving each day is a dogfight.
It was not defeating Vader that Yoda said would make Luke a Jedi, but rather confronting Vader.
Wow! I think your evaluation of Yodas statement and possibly WHY is well thought out, and the best explanation I have ever heard. I enjoyed your "Knighting" ceremony thoughts of the old structure. It makes me think of Bruce Lee and the old Masters, how his new vision was right and the Kung Fu Council was wrong. (From a certain point of view) ;)
Let me tell you the only reason that truly matters a thousand percent will save you all the time in the world here's the true only reason that Yoda didn't consider them Jedi they did not exist when George Lucas wrote return the Jedi in the '80s that's the only reason. End of story there was no ahsoka there was no Ezra there was nobody there was Luke that was it You're welcome
I think it was best that these other characters were not considered Jedi the way Yoda or anyone else who was part of that particular order believed. They followed rules that were too restrictive and ultimately caused their downfall. If these characters wanted to become Jedi like the previous order, they’d have to follow the same rigid guidelines that proved to be detrimental. But I’m pretty sure everyone here watching this already knows all that.
I think this is an important breakdown of ideals and of what constitutes a Jedi. To be fair, Jedi have gone through multiple phases of purges and reconstructions, as well as revisions of previous teachings, the old republic being a prime example of this. I think it’s important to understand that what is right and what is wrong ultimately depends on what side of the fence you’re looking out from.
Love these videos thank you so much
I wonder if this could now be interpreted in context of who could end up bringing balance back to the force, per the prophecies. Anakin seemingly failed being the chosen one at the time, turning into Vader. Yoda and Obi-Wan had no belief in Anakin being redeemed, as this video stated. Yoda later said if Luke failed, there was another, specifically referring to Leia. Even though Yoda was aware of other force users, it seems like Yoda felt only someone in the Skywalker bloodline would be able to successfully bring balance back to the force. Luke eventually got Anakin to turn back, which did end up bringing the balance back to the force, at least in that specific time period.
I don't think Kanan fits on this list since he was a padawan in the order and unlike Ahsoka never actively left the order the same goes for Cal. Back onto the topic of Kanan we knew he passed away before Yoda's death which means yoda could've seen him as a jedi. If cal dies before rotj then he will be in the same boat. Agree on ezra though
Here's the thing, Kanan wasn't alive at this point so he can't exactly be counted.
@@animeman8203 sorry if I weren't clear that was my point
Darth Vader: "Revenge is not the Jedi way."
Asoka: "I am no Jedi."
I think yoda knew it would take one of Anakin's kids to have a chance to reach him. Maybe it wasnt about being a jedi it was about his blood and chance to reach or defeat the chosen one .
Palpatine was right when he said the Jedi's dogmatic and narrow view was weak. It lead to their arrogance and ultimate downfall, Palpatine didn't cause it, he merely exploited it. Luke should have started a new order, with new ways, learning from the mistakes of the past. The fact Yoda still failed to recognise the likes of Ezra and Ahsoka shows he didn't learn a thing from his failures.
Fully agree, only that Palpatine did not want to recognize that the dogmatism of the Sith led and them to destruction including him.
Ofc someone who was inoculated in a religion that is centered on serving one's own desires would say that. The Sith parroted that dogma for millennia before Palpatine was ever born, so he's not some kind of sage for saying that.
when Yoda said that those others did not exsist lol too deep into nothing
I'm sure the grown man that made this video realizes that lol
The Force: Knights Kanan
Yoda: I'll pretend I didn't see that.
I honestly think it is the direct opposite. Yoda considers Luke to be a Jedi not becouse he is stuck in the old way, but rather because he is not anymore. After all that happened, Yoda went to exule because, as he said "failed i have". The old jedi order wasn't a jedi order at all. They were no peacekeepers, they were basicly warriors. And all the other jedi were trained by the old ways.
Luke on the other hand was different. He was the guy who was willing to risk anything to save his friends, who sacreficed his family, his life, all of it, just to bring the galaxy peace.
Realise how yoda didn't spend one second in training Luke with the lightsaber? How Yoda doesn't even have one anymore?
The Jedi failed because the sith changed. From dumb warriors to extremly tactical players, who sneak in the shadows and got spys everywhere. Yoda knew that the jedi needed to change to and Luke was exactly what he was looking for.
We all know the real answer is because none of these other Jedi existed and Disney retconned them all in without even bothering to realize that Yoda said Luke was the last of the Jedi.
Because they didn’t exist when they wrote Yoda’s lines 😂😂
Exactly 💯
No shit Sherlock
@@Cremig Star Wars lore is so silly. Its advocates are even more silly.
@@seanhartel5362Star Wars lore is literally just people finding ways to make sense of George Lucas’ insanity.
3:38 For the record Cal and Kanan were actually both knighted, but it was after the Purge. Kanan was knighted by a vision of a Temple Guard while inside the Lothal Temple. Cal was knighted by former Jedi Knight Cere Junda using an Inquisitor Saber. Whether or not these are legitimate is up to you.
I just think that Disney is working it’s ass of to not disregard too much of the old trilogy’s. They have some very dedicated people working on projects who try to make what Yoda said right. I think we just have to appreciate their efforts and not look too much into it. And if we see they did work around it, acknowledge their great work. And my opinion is that Dave is doing an amazing job! I just love all the old and new stuff. Can’t wait for more content to come!
I just feel sorry for anyone who rejects certain star wars material because it's not in the movies. Being a star wars movie elitist is not a fun way to be a fan. I accept all star wars for what it is but I don't favor the sequels for sure. But if you haven't watched the clone Wars or rebels because they are cartoons and not movies then I beg you to try. The story telling in those shows is amazing.
Star Wars fans have a different kind of cope… it’s actually admirable. The way y’all have to fill in the gaps and clean up all this continuity mess.
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It's not a mess
Its not a mess its just snippets of a larger story that doesn't always have all of the pieces together.
Remember that since disney took over starwars and are trying to keep their canon established they have to work around the movies.
So yes the gaps have to be filled at different points in time with specific events. The only times it seems right is disney disaster trilogy followed by the other forms of media that’s presented after 2014.
Why does this anger you 😂 its quite pathetic that this triggers you, its not "cope" its a fun way for fans to sort of create their own canon as a fun and believable way for certain plot holes in a fictional universe, we know some of the stuff are plot holes but again its a fun way to make them make sense at the end of the day its just ppl being passionate about something...relax
One interesting part of the Shatterpoint novel, is when Mace Winru has a Force Vision showing him the future Yuuzhan Vong Invasion, and the Jedi from Luke's New Jedi Order fighting them on the terraformed Coruscant, and he flat out reflectshis horror with what the Force has shown him, that those Jedi's ways were so alien to him, that he refused to believe that was indeed the future of the Order. Yoda wouldn't think much differently.
When yoda said that line maybe he'd accept Kanen, but Kanen was dead by the time that line was delivered. Ezra was also MIA and likely presumed dead
Well, in Obewon Kenobe Series, Vader said Alakan was dead and was killed by himself. (we already know they are the same person) But it makes sense to let Obewon said the same
(Before watching the video and just based off the opening statement.) Yoda line makes perfect sense to true Star Wars fans. Yoda went into hiding only knowing of 1 Jedi who survived Order 66. After he was made aware of Kenobi's death, Yoda was "the last" Jedi, until Luke was properly trained. Making Luke the last Jedi to Yodas knowledge. It's really simple. Yoda didn't know the others were even alive
Luke: "You really think Ahsoka isn't a true Jedi, Master Yoda?"
Yoda: "Swing a Saber, she cannot."
Kenan and Kel were the best Jedi in my opinion. When they slayed Amanda Bynes and restored balance to the force? *chefs kiss*. Perfection.
by return of the jedi, Kanen was dead, ezra was lost, asoka had given up on the jedi order and turned her back on them. Cal Kestis was a padawan at the fall of the order, and was seriously "under trained". Luke was even less trained but at least he got a rush course by yoda.
I love it this stuff never gets old.
If I would do any mental gymnastics to explain it with the current/new canon, I’d say it was part of Yoda’s way of telling Luke to pass on what he had learned, to create a new Jedi order. Basically as if to say “if you let the knowledge die with you, the Jedi die with you too.” None of the others possibly left by ROTJ have shown any interest in training or starting the Jedi order again. In some way it is though Luke is the only one of them that wants to be a Jedi of the order and not just trained in the Jedi ways.
So yeah, it’s not that Luke is the last one with the knowledge. It’s that he’s the last one that wants to create a Jedi order.
Look how Yoda ,and Luke talk. Like no emotion. But the rest of them , talk the way you and I do. Emotions are the key to them.