This is not entirely dissimilar to how I play tactical games. I play very defensively forcing my opponents to expend effort on the attack & then I strike when they are vulnerable.
Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
@@gauthierwagner3365Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
@@willvgo2950Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
I mean... he really did do Darth Maul dirty. He could have decapitated him. It was the objectively light side option. But that moment, along a select few others, was him giving in to the dark.
That was the biggest problem with Jedi Temple. They never faced siths. They never listened to Yoda who actually saw dark side. They were all like "ok boomer" and they got involved in politics. Then Palpatine just eradicated them. Who could have seen this coming?????
Yep, if they really wanted to keep to the code, their primary weapon would have been blasters w/ stunners. In the end, there really isn't a nice way to use a weapon that vaporizes everything it touches on a person.
There's alot more to this comment than alot of people think. Like the whole "just turn your light sabe on and off thing" that IS one of the 9 styles. its "forbidden" but its more of a taboo where use it if you HAVE to but don't brag about going around bragging about it.
I'd make the argument that leaving Anakin to die horribly on that lava bed was one of the most hateful, cruel, and messed up things anyone in the series ever does. The proper action would have been to mercy kill his opponent, or take him as a prisoner. But the slow death? No, that's just wrong. In war the two worst ways to kill are gut shots and thermal/chemical burns. Why? Because they're slow, they're agonizing, and if you manage to survive them you're messed up and broken for life. That's why we banned weapons that have a high probability of maiming without killing. It's also why the Jedi banned those moves. Both of the foes he uses them on survive and come back as worse people from the trauma. Now, where is the wisdom in that?
@redwizardmatt tbf the former person murdered his master in front of him while also not looking like he was going to survive getting cut in half along with anakin mauling a bunch of children for the sake of power. If he hadn't have done that then the galaxy would be far worse off
@@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672 Bull. As the video makes clear, he could have actually killed Maul. Instead he merely wounded him, leading to Maul killing the woman Kenobi loves, among many other people. He could have put Anakin out of his misery, but instead he left him to burn which lead to Vader murdering dozens of Jedi and presumably billions of other people. If your argument is that anger made Kenobi stupid, I agree. If you make the argument that he behaved like a Jedi, you are wrong.
I honestly think he's kind of misinterpreting it. You're not supposed to use it on living beings if you have a choice. Remember that the Jedi during this period weren't used to fighting other Jedi. Banning these techniques is perfectly reasonable normally. It's just not a good look, beyond the fact that certain moves are more of a channel for anger than others. Before the Sith returned, nobody could really stand up to Jedi in combat so there just wasn't a need. I think they're more than willing to overlook it when the Jedi is literally fighting for their life.
Obi Wan understood how hypocritical the jedi code had gotten. It was more about following hard rules than actually upholding the ideology and values the rules were suppose to represent. Even the rules were being disregarded by the council often depending on what was the most politically advantageous as well. He saw it and didn't allow it to dictate his actions in critical moments.
It dictated his actions in every single critical moment, because the only critical moments he ever experienced are the ones that could have prevented Anakin's fall. In all those moments he stopped himself from doing what he knew was the right thing, and avoided responsibility by following the rules. It took Anakin destroying the entire Jedi order to get Obi Wan to finally take the responsibility on himself. Obi Wan's life's purpose was to help Anakin bring balance to the force. His experiences with Qui Gon and Satine made him ideal for that purpose. The story did not have to become as dark as it did. That was just the cost of Obi Wan's repeated failures. At any point all he had to do is say "It's ok Anakin. I see you. I will put you first, and we will take care of this together." Fall averted. It took raising an entire different person to do it for him.
@@igorheerdtigor4823 thats not a rule, its a suggestion. And actually, it can be ignored in order to win. In fencing, one of the harder opponents to beat is an absolute beginner because they dont protect themselves and do really unconventional things that a more experienced fuelist knows enough to not do.
@@jacobhargiss3839 Funny, i wrote a damn near essay about why i think beginners are annoying to fight, and then i reread your comment and realized that you said what i was going to except more concisely. But basically yeah. The thing i'd like to add is that they rarely have any strategy. Just throw around random attacks and techniques? hoping something would work. And when something does work, they're like a first time player, discovering an over-powered move, they just keep spamming it over and over
I used to think very little of Obi Wan when I started liking Star Wars, then I learned how much he had to overcome to perfect his life (force abilities, lightsaber technique, etc.). As someone with lesser connection to the force who didn't let that stop him from being his best, we can be our best even when we feel far less capable of great things. Food for thought.
The core thing that has always been true about Obi-Wan it's that he survives an awful lot. He's a jedi in a time when there aren't many around anymore.
I’ll just point out that against Maul Obi-wan did try to disarm him on Naboo, and even destroyed half of his weapon. On Mustafar, Yoda sent him with 1 goal: destroy the Sith. The only reason he didn’t finish Vader/Anakin is because he left his fate to the will of the force, which in many ways was him learning from the mistakes of the Jedi of the past era and learning from Qui-gon about following the will of the living force. Against Maul on Tatooine, he is facing down the single most tenacious opponent ever, who has just discovered that he’s there protecting the Chosen One Luke Skywalker. He has no choice but to end Maul’s life to protect the fate of the Galaxy. He even tried to reason with Maul first, telling him that he shouldn’t define himself by his ability to destroy and take life. He tried to make an appeal to him to not continue down the dark path, even after all that Maul had done to him, and then comforted him when he died!!! If this isn’t the Jedi way I don’t know what is guys. They’re not pacifists. As far as any “forbidden moves” all of these point towards a Jedi taking as little life as possible and doing as little harm as possible. I think that when you weigh the totality of Obi-wan’s life and choices, he follows that directive. Even in the legends book “Kenobi” he tries to get Orin Gault to turn back like 5 times before his final fate is sealed. I mean come on. If you want to claim Anakin crosses lines I’m here for it, but these moves are taught so they can be used in extreme circumstances, which is only when Obi-wan uses them
Well freaking said. And I agree. The totality of Kenobi's life is dedicated to the spirit and rules of the Jedi. And when he had to break them, he only did so at the last. And that is why they are there.
What Obi-Wan did to Anakin by leaving him to the will of the force is also in line with the likelihood that even though Anakin was maimed, he could still have put up some kind of fight, enough that to land the killing blow, Obi-Wan would probably have either used dark side power or be consumed by it. It's his misfortune that Palpatine was arriving at the scene and he had to get to Padme ASAP to try and save her children.
In a way that makes him strongest cause he could think with his own mind and not to getting stuck rules that could get him killed but still not make habit about it. Somebody would have noticed in Clone wars that every time Kenobi is in battle there is score of legless sliced up bodies around.
My belief is that Obi-Wan knew that these enemies were more powerful then him but had to use his wits and unconventional techniques that his opponents would be shocked to see. Giving him a chance/ opportunity to end the fight right there and he was ready to do what it takes for the greater good.
It's also part of the Soresu form to let the opponent exhaust themselves to create an opening. Using moves, forbidden by the jedi council was out of necessity, as you pointed out and kind of became Obi Wan's unique style during the clone wars lol
In a ideal combat scenario the Jedi will be disarmed or disabled their opponents with the more careful strikes, however we must remember that the Sith were the Jedi equals or their superior when it came to lightsaber combat, and in a really life or death scenario no move is beyond use. The fights that Obi Wan was facing throughout the Clone Wars were against some of the most deadliest lightsaber combatants in Galactic history and that means that he had to use every trick and ability he had when it came to these duels for him to survive.
Yeah, thats why i think the council didnt gave Obi-Wan shit for the Darth Maul thing. Decapitations are nigh Impossible to pull of in real fights, in fact, in a Sword duel its actually kinda hard to cause straight up lethal damage against an enemy thats on the same skill level, If you check some hema or kenjutsu tournaments, most duels end with a side slice, a thigh slice or some fuckup with the hands.
@@philipearakaki The Council were like, "Holy shit, Obi-Wan, we thought you were a goner. More power to you for doing the forbidden slashing. We'll just keep it hush hush."
This video is absolutely perfect just like this entire channel, i’m still blown away by how much deeper you can dive into the world of starwars and how well you explain it, you’re like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of Star Wars
From a biomechanics standpoint, the slice makes more sense than the stab in this instance. The problem with the stab is it leaves your saber motionless and without momentum, so if you need to block you can't. You can't really do this safely against an opponent who isn't at least staggered. And Maul was not staggered, only surprised, and his lightsaber was in a position that could have slashed him if Maul just spun to the right. By slicing instead of stabbing, Obi-Wan took the quicker route to killing him, a route that also would have allowed him to follow through and intercept any blow in progress. If you look at the angles involved, the slash would have impacted Maul's lightsaber blade AFTER bisecting him. The slash was the right choice from a combat perspective. I don't think the Jedi look at it quite as strictly as the moderator implies. I think they look at it from the perspective of, "Don't do this. It's bad. It can serve as a channel for rage and just generally generates bad press. But if it's the only option to save your life, you got to do what you got to do." The rules were put in place when the Sith were thought to be extinct; they weren't factoring in combat against comparatively-skilled lightsaber users where you need every technique available as long as you don't channel the Dark Side.
In real life combat, stabs are almost always done "protected"/"covered" - you put your blades into a bind, keeping your "strong" on their "weak" (close to hilt near the tip) and slide your blade along theirs in a way they need too long to retaliate in time. Spanish one handed sword specializes heavily on binds and controlling binds (la verdadera destreza)
Super overly thought out. But i love it, makes sense. It's always true fans and the fandom giving more and more to these great franchises we love. Thank yoi for the video!
I think it is surprising but I kind of like this about him. He’s basically a perfect Jedi and person but I think it’s great writing to give him this subtle flaw that shows his true struggle with the dark side. It makes him a more grounded character that being as pure as he is isn’t easy
It's also worth mentioning Obi-Wan's final duel with Maul in Star Wars Rebels. You can see Obi-Wan first take up the stance he favored in Clone Wars, then switch to the simple, humbler stance he used in A New Hope. He ends Maul with a single cut across the chest and immediately deactivates his blade so he can hold Maul in his final moments. There was no anger in him, and he said he was finally cleaning out an old wound. At first, you likely think he was referring to Maul. However, I think he was talking about the wound in his own heart from when Maul killed Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan let go of his hate, and faced Maul the way a Jedi should.
A vertical top down strike would kill as humanely as a decapitation if not faster actually. In Naboo, Going for Maul’s head would have left him open without guard to his midsection and it was safer to do what he did. - fencing with Epee, Saber and Kendo for 15 years as a kid into my 20’s and staff training as a former martial arts instructor. Not saying I’m some master but pick these things up over a period of time. Jmho
@@houselightkelldefending the Head is actually quite easy, the point of contact is quite small and honestly Obi-Wan was more focused on not losing balance when landing than landing an aerial strike, that wasnt really an opening If you think about It. Theres no "winning by a centimeter" in Sword fights, tbh, more often than not, its quite possible that both sides end fucked up
To be fair when it‘s forbidden to use these moves they are certainly a surprise for jedi killers or jedis themselves like anakin. Its a rly smart move against enemies who might be stronger than himself
Obi wan and the clone wars Jedi at large were very, do as I say, not as I do. No wonder anakin didn’t view their word as law, bc they certainly didn’t stick to the standards they themselves demanded
Obi-Wan did right things during fights. He had to do this,it was battle to survive. To win. It's great he was so good with lightsaber. He used Mou Kei as mercy on Anakin. It's great how he handled Tusken Raiders. Real Jedi moves. May the Force be with you too always😊
Did you ever notice that in the Yoda/ sidious fight, the very first lightsaber strike Yoda launches when he jumps, sidious attempts the exact same dismemberment move Obi-Wan used on Anakin. But Yoda's too small. 😆
I believe that when you are fighting for your life you're not really worrying about the code you're more focused on not getting killed and preserving their own life.
I sometimes bring up my Pureblood-Sith Sith character from the MMO, but I think they would be surprisingly good in the Jedi Temples. They're dark, but not cruel, they seek power to defend themselves, they're not "Good Enough" to be a Jedi, but reasonable and respectful enough to definitely turn a few heads of the Light or Dark side in interest. Had originally wanted them to be "Evil" then some dialog options made me run an interestingly neutral path. Basically, don't give them reason to strike you down or they WILL do it, no hesitation. Although they will forgive genuine mistakes, but not deliberate sabotage and ignorance. They're strong of will and presence, and walking amongst the Jedi... Other than their appearance, probably only the more well-experienced of Jedi would actually sense the Dark Side in them. They were a "Sith" by happenstance (forced into it as a prisoner/slave) but grew strong enough to choose their own path, and just didn't like the Sith or the Jedi B.S... ((All pre-expansion whereafter you basically go to a part of the Universe where you are a Neutral party, regardless of Light or Dark alignment.)) I was happy with how that character turned out along the way, and I can see them being someone that very few knowing members of the Jedi may call on for aid in special situations. My "Rogue Sith" that I would love to work into a Star Wars TTRPG game someday, even starting from the beginning again. Twould be fun.
if i remember correctly from a legend novel, obi wan also somewhat befriended one of the tribes. there was one setler trying to blame the tribe in question multiple times (think it was the tribe aniken killed a lot of or one closely related to it, but been maybe 10 years since read the book in question and i cant remember the name) obi wan managed to prove the tuskens was not behind it. but i might remember things wrong.
I think one thing to point out with the first fight with Maul, is that it’s explained that Qui Gon reaches out to Kenobi through the force to keep calm and to concentrate. Keep in mind Qui Gon wasn’t immediately killed when Maul stabbed him. Kenobi really only uses these moves when he doesn’t have any other option, like he did with anakin. I feel like the council realized once the Sith returned, it didn’t matter how Kenobi did it, he clearly didn’t have any other option, especially being a padawan at the time.
Obi Wan also made use of Dun Moch practically in every single combat engagement, and Dun Moch was primarily a sith tactic. He also used a blaster when needed (to kill Grievous). That type of thinking, adaptability and willingness to break dogma to win are also what made Revan a natural leader in the Mandalorian Wars. If Obi Wan remained entrenched in combat a while longer, he'd have become a modern version of Darth Revan - it would completely be like Obi Wan to learn and use every ability he could, and pretend to be sith and gather a following just for the purpose of killing the emperor. Instead, because he retired early, he got to keep being a jedi - but even then, manifesting as a force ghost is a dark side ability. "The Force ghost was the soul and essence of a deceased Force-sensitive who denied the will of the Force upon death" - Jedi welcome the will of the force. Sith are the ones who go against it.
My head canon is that Kenobi was guided by the Force to use all those forbidden moves. Even if Kenobi was giving into rage, as Qui-Gon’s apprentice and a devout Jedi, Kenobi was trained to more easily fall into the Force and become a true agent of its will.
It makes sense in respect to his fighting style (after he switched over from Ataru anyway), honestly. The idea of Soresu afterall is to constantly defend, waiting for the opponent to tire or make a mistake, and then take advantage of the resulting opening created and end the duel in one strike, 2 or 3 at most. Those forbidden moves, as gruesome as they are, definitely meet the requirements to finish a duel in one strike.
He did learn over the years, his last duel with Maul on tattooine was a quick slash at the chest, not severing anything but ending Mail's life on peace
Soresu is theoretically the perfect lightsaber form through which to use any (if not all) of such forbidden attacks. After all, with a near exclusive use of blocks and parries, the implementation of ___ can perfectly replace form 3's inherent occasional counters without contracting the tactics already implemented by its practitioners.
Tbf it sounds like a pretty dumb concept. …and then someone invents the T-virus for warfare reasons and accidentally hits a civilian area or decides to use lasers irl and literally explode people from the inside with no chance of survival, and that’s why we have things like the Geneva Convention lol
It really does lol imagine having to defend your wife and kids from death while having only one SURE FIRE move to end the threat but some old dudes say you cant use it for the sake of, you know ..."morals" and sh** 🙄
It's a thing in reality too. That's why we deem certain things "war crimes" and have less sympathy to those who commit them. After all the brutality they received the Russians were not very forgiving of Nazi soldiers.
For the Jedi there’s a real risk of being corrupted and turning to the Dark Side for some of these, Jedi were meant to kill only as a last resort, droids not included of course. Irl though, war crimes are a thing, and that’s because certain weapons and types of weapons are considered either inhumane or too dangerous to non-combatants.
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable guideline. Especially when you hold such power you need to be able to restrain yourself. In real life it is illegal to intentionally take non lethal shots to inflict pain, however tactically it makes sense in war as it will take more than one opponent out of the fight as someone needs to care for the wounded. Chemical weapons apply here too. They are hard to ward off and are extremely effective, but dying to them is a slow horrible experience. War isn’t a pass for cruelty but some see it as such. Therefore rules must be put in place, even in personal self defense, otherwise it is simply evil men torturing other men with a thin veil of justification.
On the one hand, I get the requirement to focus on peace, mercy, and when truly necessary, a quick end, but it almost feels like every Jedi must have a few moments-glimpse into the future, or such heightened reflexes, and awareness, to always be able to analyze, plan, and execute such moves? In other verses, we'd hear things like "if you draw your weapon, you had best be ready to use it for its intended purpose", and "if you ever try to half-ass in a duel, and don't take every opportunity you have to survive, I'll kill you myself", so it seems weird for thecJedi to be SO worried, and have such almost ritualistic tenets about how to kill with a lightsaber. As a pointless aside, it's always nice to see art, and scenes, of the more Sir Alec Guiness-style Obi-Wan. So much of his content now was the Ewan McGregor motif, and as the nostalgia nut I am, it's still nice to see Kenobi as he was first introduced to me, all the way back in the 80s. 😊
It’s complicated, it seems like he only ever performed those tactics at first was in fact out of anger but later only acted so brutally out of desperation. The act he performed against the Tusken Raiders and his more swift takedown of Maul in Rebels shows he gained nearly full control over himself.
He faced most of the dark side's best fighters and constantly came out on top, I'd say he did exactly what he needed to do in order to persevere and win the day.
I think another important thing to talk about here is how he killed maul for good, because even there he is depicted going for a strike across the lower abdomen, wich kills Maul relatively slowly, with them even having time to exchange some words. But it also seems relatively painless, and he took great care to not cuz him in half as well as immediately catching him, so he wouldnt just collapse to the floor
Kenobi's guilty pleasure is "breaking" the Jed Code.. Cuz apparently its only "breaking " if the enemy is sufficiently dangerous OR you get caught. REMEMBER the WHOLE Order basically used this to dismiss Dooku's execution with a Force handwave... Besides these "forbidden" specialties his "hello there" apparently is his Dun Mok attack... seemed to work on Grevious. Looked like in Ep 1 was ALSO dismissed like Anakins seeing as Young Obi was in heat of the moment an cutting him in half WAS the only real move an it was even displayed as instinctive over deliberately. Its even Maul's fault.. Even Sideous said so there.. in Mauls arrogance he lost half his body.. So apparently if its desperate enough, serious enough, or convenient enough for the Jedi/Force The Order outright ignores, or foregoes, or forgives moves like theses even accepting they WILL happen intended or not even. If it suited them
I feel like it would have been important to include/mention that the way Obi-Wan killed Maul in the end on Tatooine was with a diagonal slash across the chest. Interpret it how you will but I think it should be mentioned.
My opinion is that it was both the will of the force, in the case with his duel Anakin on Mustafar, and the built up stress and hardship of the Clone Wars. Witnessing how much the Jedi had changed from what he's known all his life, losing friends and loved ones and the likes of Maul goading him into unleashing his rage could also have been factors.
"I would never." "I can't think of a situation this should be used." Necessity, desperation, fury. Use these as your lens and the situations will come to mind.
I think the best part about all the times that Obi-Wan used the forbidden moves it did not work out for the best. The first time it allowed maul to return in the Clone Wars TV Show. His strikes were either dodged or blocked during the clone wars. And with his inability to bring himself to kill Anakin on Mustafar he allowed Darth Vader upon the galaxy.
He really does have a thing for dismemberment. First by cutting up Maul, then taking Grievious' hands, and finally Anakin. Oh and the Cantina scene too.
Cantina sceneS. Plural. In A New Hope "Old Ben" Kenobi dismembered the guy who was trying to hurt Luke. In Attack of The Clones Kenobi dismembered Zam Wesell when she was creeping up on Anakin. If you live in The Star Wars universe and you see Kenobi enter the bar you are in... GET OUT... NOW... somebody is going to lose a hand and it just might be you!
Its simple, and one of the same reasons he was alive for so long(and remember he let Vader win). Win... or dont, there is no mercy. All is fair in love, and war. Do unto others, as they do unto you. Etc.
Seems like a great character for Mortal Combat, but then I fear he would be stained by it as well. His growth to the light side in the end would not be viewed in that glimpse? Maybe if he is finished we see him do what old man Obi-wan does with Vader. He just vanishes in his cloak? Would be neat to see.
Such limitations in Jedi fighting was born of a era where they could afford to absolute idealists. 1000 years of almost complete galactic peace. Masters of old knew that in dire moments, sometimes the most merciful thing, is to not hold back. When death war and torment are all around. And you are all the stands between innocents, and the advance of horrific foes.. You must be both the eye, and the storm. A serene mind, with clear purpose. And a lethal force without hesitation. There is no redemption for the likes of monsters like Nihilus, Tenebrae, or the Dread Masters. Only their death ends the nightmare.
It's interesting to note in that Tusken story that Obi-Wan showing mercy is almost a contradiction, as the Tuskens now avoided him and the Lars homestead out of fear, not respect.
Every time Kenobi used a Sith technique in dueling it was because he was facing a superior opponent and was close to being killed. So out of desperation he reacted with a Sith technique in order to win. But I did often wonder, who trained him in those techniques. Jedi padawans were not permitted to learn them. I’m not sure Qui-Gon Jinn did. Though he was known to be a rule breaker from time to time. If I recall correctly, during The Clone Wars Kenobi fought against Durge and used the Shi-Ak strike technique. Durge just laughed after getting pierced through the chest. And slicing off his arm was no help either. He just reattached it to himself.
Honestly, it mostly sounds like "Because Jedi have a lot of well meaning but counter-productive rules that make them lamer fighters than their direct opposition, and defeating that opposition is ALSO part of their job.". Sure, maybe Kenobi did cut Maul in half because he was pissed, and the fact that he USUALLY goes out of his way to avoid hurting the people trying to kill him any more than he has to is one of the reasons he's my favorite. But he's also someone who recognizes the value of improvisation, occasionally even dirty tricks. One of my favorite moments in the Clone Wars cartoon is when he's undercover and we see that even though he finds blasters distasteful, he's still a crack shot. Regarding the duel on Naboo specifically, Kenobi only has a brief opening to make his strike, he has no reason to count on the guy who just killed a much more seasoned Jedi staring dumbfounded for long, and the neck is a much more precise and difficult target than the midsection. It was angry, but it was also practical. In short, because bad guys are bad, and cheating is awesome.
I kind of loved how Obi Wan would do what it took to survive. Like with Maul it was just a safer choice. Did he have time to potentially try to cut off Maul's head? Probably. But unless he tried for the head cut as he was flipping over Maul he'd have to lift up the saber to try it. While his midsection was a fraction closer. I don't disagree in the idea that he wanted Maul to live long enough to know his defeat, but it wasn't a bad call. And yeah with Anakin it also wasn't a bad call. It was something unexpected and he didn't have much left in the tank. It is sad that he had to use that move against the one person in the galaxy he'd never have wanted to.
Didn't it state somewhere in Canon, think either the ROTS novel or Kenobi's journal, that he was aiming for Skywalker's neck, but he mistimed the jump? So he had to improvise. But seeing the way he looked, he couldn't finish him.
Obi-Wan in a duel be like: block, block, block, block, block, block, block, HORRIBLY MUTILATING FINISHING MOVE
For real, he just blocks waiting to fill a focus bar
This is not entirely dissimilar to how I play tactical games. I play very defensively forcing my opponents to expend effort on the attack & then I strike when they are vulnerable.
Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
@@gauthierwagner3365Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
@@willvgo2950Obi Wan Kenobi💩 is the real reason why we had Vader... #DarthTonder🤔 would have put an end to this nuisance and take his #TDBank💳 card holder status... 🌎💘💰
The code... upheld by Jedi in a temple who never faced Sith. Obi-Wan is the one who left the temple, and stared the dark side in the eyes.
I mean... he really did do Darth Maul dirty. He could have decapitated him. It was the objectively light side option. But that moment, along a select few others, was him giving in to the dark.
That was the biggest problem with Jedi Temple. They never faced siths. They never listened to Yoda who actually saw dark side. They were all like "ok boomer" and they got involved in politics. Then Palpatine just eradicated them. Who could have seen this coming?????
Staying on the light side of the force more than just fighting style.
@@zehkiel8018 Meanwhile if he HAD freaking decapitated him that would've gone pretty hard in the film.
@neerGdyahS Oh yeah. Would've been way easier to animate in the old CGI engines too.
“The code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules.”
---Captain Barbosa
😂😂😂😂😂
Seriously...so true.
*Darth Barbosa 😂
Yep, if they really wanted to keep to the code, their primary weapon would have been blasters w/ stunners. In the end, there really isn't a nice way to use a weapon that vaporizes everything it touches on a person.
There's alot more to this comment than alot of people think. Like the whole "just turn your light sabe on and off thing" that IS one of the 9 styles. its "forbidden" but its more of a taboo where use it if you HAVE to but don't brag about going around bragging about it.
1.30 he just takes it literally when encouraged do disarm and disable enemies. Vader gets the best parking spaces even with the suit
Obi-Wan was a survivor. That required constant adaptation and evolution. He did that masterfully staying true to The Light.
This.
Yes!
I'd make the argument that leaving Anakin to die horribly on that lava bed was one of the most hateful, cruel, and messed up things anyone in the series ever does. The proper action would have been to mercy kill his opponent, or take him as a prisoner. But the slow death? No, that's just wrong. In war the two worst ways to kill are gut shots and thermal/chemical burns. Why? Because they're slow, they're agonizing, and if you manage to survive them you're messed up and broken for life. That's why we banned weapons that have a high probability of maiming without killing. It's also why the Jedi banned those moves. Both of the foes he uses them on survive and come back as worse people from the trauma. Now, where is the wisdom in that?
@redwizardmatt tbf the former person murdered his master in front of him while also not looking like he was going to survive getting cut in half along with anakin mauling a bunch of children for the sake of power. If he hadn't have done that then the galaxy would be far worse off
@@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672 Bull. As the video makes clear, he could have actually killed Maul. Instead he merely wounded him, leading to Maul killing the woman Kenobi loves, among many other people. He could have put Anakin out of his misery, but instead he left him to burn which lead to Vader murdering dozens of Jedi and presumably billions of other people. If your argument is that anger made Kenobi stupid, I agree. If you make the argument that he behaved like a Jedi, you are wrong.
"...which are forbidden for a Jedi to perform on living beings and they both just happen to be Kenobi's speciality." Lmaoooo
😂😂😂😂😂😂I scrolled the comments seen this just as he was saying this
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love it
@@YamiRondo2I had just passed it when I heard it and had to go back up, read it again and had to comment🤣🤣
I honestly think he's kind of misinterpreting it. You're not supposed to use it on living beings if you have a choice. Remember that the Jedi during this period weren't used to fighting other Jedi. Banning these techniques is perfectly reasonable normally. It's just not a good look, beyond the fact that certain moves are more of a channel for anger than others. Before the Sith returned, nobody could really stand up to Jedi in combat so there just wasn't a need. I think they're more than willing to overlook it when the Jedi is literally fighting for their life.
@@WardenWolf I like your perspective on that man i hadn’t thought about it like that before
Obi Wan understood how hypocritical the jedi code had gotten. It was more about following hard rules than actually upholding the ideology and values the rules were suppose to represent. Even the rules were being disregarded by the council often depending on what was the most politically advantageous as well. He saw it and didn't allow it to dictate his actions in critical moments.
Sounds like America
It dictated his actions in every single critical moment, because the only critical moments he ever experienced are the ones that could have prevented Anakin's fall. In all those moments he stopped himself from doing what he knew was the right thing, and avoided responsibility by following the rules. It took Anakin destroying the entire Jedi order to get Obi Wan to finally take the responsibility on himself. Obi Wan's life's purpose was to help Anakin bring balance to the force. His experiences with Qui Gon and Satine made him ideal for that purpose. The story did not have to become as dark as it did. That was just the cost of Obi Wan's repeated failures. At any point all he had to do is say "It's ok Anakin. I see you. I will put you first, and we will take care of this together." Fall averted. It took raising an entire different person to do it for him.
@@questionmark576 OP and your response to OP is good shit.
In a fight for survival there are no rules.
what about the rule "try to survive?" if one part its not trying there is no fight, so that is a rule
@igorheerdtigor4823 that's called survival of the fittest. Thinning the herd from the weak.
@@igorheerdtigor4823 thats not a rule, its a suggestion. And actually, it can be ignored in order to win. In fencing, one of the harder opponents to beat is an absolute beginner because they dont protect themselves and do really unconventional things that a more experienced fuelist knows enough to not do.
@@jacobhargiss3839 Funny, i wrote a damn near essay about why i think beginners are annoying to fight, and then i reread your comment and realized that you said what i was going to except more concisely. But basically yeah. The thing i'd like to add is that they rarely have any strategy. Just throw around random attacks and techniques? hoping something would work. And when something does work, they're like a first time player, discovering an over-powered move, they just keep spamming it over and over
And not just his own survival
I used to think very little of Obi Wan when I started liking Star Wars, then I learned how much he had to overcome to perfect his life (force abilities, lightsaber technique, etc.). As someone with lesser connection to the force who didn't let that stop him from being his best, we can be our best even when we feel far less capable of great things. Food for thought.
The core thing that has always been true about Obi-Wan it's that he survives an awful lot. He's a jedi in a time when there aren't many around anymore.
@@neerGdyahS Even more amazing considering he always surrenders😂
I’ll just point out that against Maul Obi-wan did try to disarm him on Naboo, and even destroyed half of his weapon. On Mustafar, Yoda sent him with 1 goal: destroy the Sith. The only reason he didn’t finish Vader/Anakin is because he left his fate to the will of the force, which in many ways was him learning from the mistakes of the Jedi of the past era and learning from Qui-gon about following the will of the living force. Against Maul on Tatooine, he is facing down the single most tenacious opponent ever, who has just discovered that he’s there protecting the Chosen One Luke Skywalker. He has no choice but to end Maul’s life to protect the fate of the Galaxy. He even tried to reason with Maul first, telling him that he shouldn’t define himself by his ability to destroy and take life. He tried to make an appeal to him to not continue down the dark path, even after all that Maul had done to him, and then comforted him when he died!!! If this isn’t the Jedi way I don’t know what is guys. They’re not pacifists. As far as any “forbidden moves” all of these point towards a Jedi taking as little life as possible and doing as little harm as possible. I think that when you weigh the totality of Obi-wan’s life and choices, he follows that directive. Even in the legends book “Kenobi” he tries to get Orin Gault to turn back like 5 times before his final fate is sealed. I mean come on. If you want to claim Anakin crosses lines I’m here for it, but these moves are taught so they can be used in extreme circumstances, which is only when Obi-wan uses them
Well freaking said. And I agree. The totality of Kenobi's life is dedicated to the spirit and rules of the Jedi. And when he had to break them, he only did so at the last. And that is why they are there.
This is what happens when you're a master of defense. It means your offense better be game ending, because you might not get another chance.
Obi wan did disarm anakin on mustafar 😂
@@joshuarobinson6011 well he also disleged him
What Obi-Wan did to Anakin by leaving him to the will of the force is also in line with the likelihood that even though Anakin was maimed, he could still have put up some kind of fight, enough that to land the killing blow, Obi-Wan would probably have either used dark side power or be consumed by it. It's his misfortune that Palpatine was arriving at the scene and he had to get to Padme ASAP to try and save her children.
Jedi code, Geneva Convention, identity fraud,...
Obi-Wan breaks all the rules
At least he didn’t jaywalk.
Like his master 😂
obi wans drinking really changed him
@@bobafett6174 Those deathsticks...
False surrenders several times, both anakin and obi wan
The jedi code was more like a set of general guidelines lol
So…. It’s the Pirates Code?
@@joshie6213 Aye
@@Jghost11 but where’s the rum gone?
@@joshie6213i brought spice and death-sticks….🤷♂️
Agreed
"He constantly tries to preserve as much of the opponent's body as possible" will forever be my favorite quote about Obi Wan 😂
Obi wan wasnt the strongest Jedi. He made up for it with cunning, sometimes bending the "rules". He did what he had to.
that's the only logical way someone in a job that was getting killed to extinction in his 30s could live to over twice that age
I will do what I must
In a way that makes him strongest cause he could think with his own mind and not to getting stuck rules that could get him killed but still not make habit about it. Somebody would have noticed in Clone wars that every time Kenobi is in battle there is score of legless sliced up bodies around.
He had to cut Maul in half instead of cutting off his head?
He learnef from the best rule-bender master in the galaxy after all
My belief is that Obi-Wan knew that these enemies were more powerful then him but had to use his wits and unconventional techniques that his opponents would be shocked to see. Giving him a chance/ opportunity to end the fight right there and he was ready to do what it takes for the greater good.
It's also part of the Soresu form to let the opponent exhaust themselves to create an opening. Using moves, forbidden by the jedi council was out of necessity, as you pointed out and kind of became Obi Wan's unique style during the clone wars lol
In a ideal combat scenario the Jedi will be disarmed or disabled their opponents with the more careful strikes, however we must remember that the Sith were the Jedi equals or their superior when it came to lightsaber combat, and in a really life or death scenario no move is beyond use. The fights that Obi Wan was facing throughout the Clone Wars were against some of the most deadliest lightsaber combatants in Galactic history and that means that he had to use every trick and ability he had when it came to these duels for him to survive.
Yeah, thats why i think the council didnt gave Obi-Wan shit for the Darth Maul thing.
Decapitations are nigh Impossible to pull of in real fights, in fact, in a Sword duel its actually kinda hard to cause straight up lethal damage against an enemy thats on the same skill level, If you check some hema or kenjutsu tournaments, most duels end with a side slice, a thigh slice or some fuckup with the hands.
Honestly it's a miracle (and mandatory plot armor) that he survives the clone war era.
Most people who fight the people he does would end up dead.
@@philipearakaki The Council were like, "Holy shit, Obi-Wan, we thought you were a goner. More power to you for doing the forbidden slashing. We'll just keep it hush hush."
My friends think I'm a star wars guru. But really I'm Just repeating your videos to them.
Jk, I'm lonely and have no friends.
@@6wild6flower6You got Samurai Champloo's Departure in your playlist, that makes you cool to me, so I'm your friend 😎
@@6wild6flower6I like your sense of humor and self irony 😄
This video is absolutely perfect just like this entire channel, i’m still blown away by how much deeper you can dive into the world of starwars and how well you explain it, you’re like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of Star Wars
Except a stab with a lightsaber through the torso doesn't kill Girl bosses . ....
Boobies are a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
That and Disney writing.
It does if it's through the heart.
@@karlrovey Aim for the head. Girl boss does not have a heart.
Except Shaak Ti, who died to this move twice
@@stretopovermind9680 Do they have brains tho ?
Another delve into the philosophy, merit and kindness of the Jedi. Well done. I love it.
The lesson is:
If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin" 😂😂
Eddie Kenobi.
@@mlo009he was a distant ancestor of Eddie’s
The ultimate irony of the Jedi for me will always be that their strict adherence to a code was the very attachment they were trying to avoid
Good observation.
❤️ wow! I thought about this many times while watching Obi-Wan fight, thank you for compiling all of these examples!
Obi-Wan “ I’ve got a bad feeling about this and I’ve got shit to do” SLASH CHOP
"how unicvilized" - Obi Wan Kenobi
I actually like this view of him, it makes him even more gentle knowing that he can and will maim people when needed
From a biomechanics standpoint, the slice makes more sense than the stab in this instance. The problem with the stab is it leaves your saber motionless and without momentum, so if you need to block you can't. You can't really do this safely against an opponent who isn't at least staggered. And Maul was not staggered, only surprised, and his lightsaber was in a position that could have slashed him if Maul just spun to the right. By slicing instead of stabbing, Obi-Wan took the quicker route to killing him, a route that also would have allowed him to follow through and intercept any blow in progress. If you look at the angles involved, the slash would have impacted Maul's lightsaber blade AFTER bisecting him. The slash was the right choice from a combat perspective.
I don't think the Jedi look at it quite as strictly as the moderator implies. I think they look at it from the perspective of, "Don't do this. It's bad. It can serve as a channel for rage and just generally generates bad press. But if it's the only option to save your life, you got to do what you got to do." The rules were put in place when the Sith were thought to be extinct; they weren't factoring in combat against comparatively-skilled lightsaber users where you need every technique available as long as you don't channel the Dark Side.
In real life combat, stabs are almost always done "protected"/"covered" - you put your blades into a bind, keeping your "strong" on their "weak" (close to hilt near the tip) and slide your blade along theirs in a way they need too long to retaliate in time. Spanish one handed sword specializes heavily on binds and controlling binds (la verdadera destreza)
Ah yes, the negotiator.....
Negotiates how many arms you will still have when he is done with you.
Such a good video. I love your insights into these different aspects of the Starwars lore. Thank you for your continued hard work
He was the Tupac of Star Wars..."I ain't a killer but don't push me!"
Those limitations are fine when you have a substantial advantage, but not when compliance gives the other side the advantage.
Exactly it doesnt matter what strategy you use, if your opponent is uncooperative then you have to adapt.
Obi-wan is like that one enemy in every game where all they do is block all your attacks, then wreck 3/4 of your health with one move.
Anikin: war crime specialist
Obi wan: forbidden technique master
"Always try disarming your opponent."
"How about dislegging?"
"What?"
Well he got the "disarming" part right against Savage and later against Anakin in Mustafar.
Super overly thought out. But i love it, makes sense. It's always true fans and the fandom giving more and more to these great franchises we love. Thank yoi for the video!
I think it is surprising but I kind of like this about him. He’s basically a perfect Jedi and person but I think it’s great writing to give him this subtle flaw that shows his true struggle with the dark side. It makes him a more grounded character that being as pure as he is isn’t easy
It's also worth mentioning Obi-Wan's final duel with Maul in Star Wars Rebels. You can see Obi-Wan first take up the stance he favored in Clone Wars, then switch to the simple, humbler stance he used in A New Hope. He ends Maul with a single cut across the chest and immediately deactivates his blade so he can hold Maul in his final moments. There was no anger in him, and he said he was finally cleaning out an old wound. At first, you likely think he was referring to Maul. However, I think he was talking about the wound in his own heart from when Maul killed Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan let go of his hate, and faced Maul the way a Jedi should.
A vertical top down strike would kill as humanely as a decapitation if not faster actually. In Naboo, Going for Maul’s head would have left him open without guard to his midsection and it was safer to do what he did. - fencing with Epee, Saber and Kendo for 15 years as a kid into my 20’s and staff training as a former martial arts instructor. Not saying I’m some master but pick these things up over a period of time. Jmho
I think he was saying that Obi Wan could've sliced Darth Maul during that flip, while he was still in the air, right as he was upside down
@@houselightkelldefending the Head is actually quite easy, the point of contact is quite small and honestly Obi-Wan was more focused on not losing balance when landing than landing an aerial strike, that wasnt really an opening If you think about It.
Theres no "winning by a centimeter" in Sword fights, tbh, more often than not, its quite possible that both sides end fucked up
thanks for this vid, i agree with obi-wans usage of dismemberment vs Anakin and understand it vs maul.
Obi-Wan in a duel did what he said he would. "What I must."
To be fair when it‘s forbidden to use these moves they are certainly a surprise for jedi killers or jedis themselves like anakin. Its a rly smart move against enemies who might be stronger than himself
Mace Windu used pretty much all of those points of contact against Jango Fett
More reason why some of this “forbidden..” nonsense, is just bad retcon
The subtle "Though Luke disagrees" was great
Obi wan and the clone wars Jedi at large were very, do as I say, not as I do. No wonder anakin didn’t view their word as law, bc they certainly didn’t stick to the standards they themselves demanded
The jedis rules were like a terms of agreement. We all just ignore the details lol
Very well explained, I never thought of it this way
Obi-Wan did right things during fights. He had to do this,it was battle to survive. To win. It's great he was so good with lightsaber. He used Mou Kei as mercy on Anakin. It's great how he handled Tusken Raiders. Real Jedi moves. May the Force be with you too always😊
Did you ever notice that in the Yoda/ sidious fight, the very first lightsaber strike Yoda launches when he jumps, sidious attempts the exact same dismemberment move Obi-Wan used on Anakin. But Yoda's too small. 😆
I believe that when you are fighting for your life you're not really worrying about the code you're more focused on not getting killed and preserving their own life.
Its highly fascinating content. One has to wonder if Obi-Wan is responsible for Vader's agony in more than one aspect.
Can the next one be about why dooku trained asajj ventress to use two lightsabers even though he hates dual wielding
I think she was duel wielding as a Jedi padawan and dooku didn’t care since he saw her as a tool over anything
I sometimes bring up my Pureblood-Sith Sith character from the MMO, but I think they would be surprisingly good in the Jedi Temples. They're dark, but not cruel, they seek power to defend themselves, they're not "Good Enough" to be a Jedi, but reasonable and respectful enough to definitely turn a few heads of the Light or Dark side in interest. Had originally wanted them to be "Evil" then some dialog options made me run an interestingly neutral path. Basically, don't give them reason to strike you down or they WILL do it, no hesitation. Although they will forgive genuine mistakes, but not deliberate sabotage and ignorance. They're strong of will and presence, and walking amongst the Jedi... Other than their appearance, probably only the more well-experienced of Jedi would actually sense the Dark Side in them. They were a "Sith" by happenstance (forced into it as a prisoner/slave) but grew strong enough to choose their own path, and just didn't like the Sith or the Jedi B.S... ((All pre-expansion whereafter you basically go to a part of the Universe where you are a Neutral party, regardless of Light or Dark alignment.))
I was happy with how that character turned out along the way, and I can see them being someone that very few knowing members of the Jedi may call on for aid in special situations. My "Rogue Sith" that I would love to work into a Star Wars TTRPG game someday, even starting from the beginning again. Twould be fun.
if i remember correctly from a legend novel, obi wan also somewhat befriended one of the tribes. there was one setler trying to blame the tribe in question multiple times (think it was the tribe aniken killed a lot of or one closely related to it, but been maybe 10 years since read the book in question and i cant remember the name) obi wan managed to prove the tuskens was not behind it. but i might remember things wrong.
The book is “Kenobi” I just finished rereading it yesterday. Great book!
That’s an awesome perspective. I agree.
most forbidden and "uncivilized" move, killing general grievious with a blaster.
I think one thing to point out with the first fight with Maul, is that it’s explained that Qui Gon reaches out to Kenobi through the force to keep calm and to concentrate. Keep in mind Qui Gon wasn’t immediately killed when Maul stabbed him. Kenobi really only uses these moves when he doesn’t have any other option, like he did with anakin. I feel like the council realized once the Sith returned, it didn’t matter how Kenobi did it, he clearly didn’t have any other option, especially being a padawan at the time.
This is some DEEP lore and I love it 🥰
Obi-Wan was a master of the hypocrisy form.
Obi Wan also made use of Dun Moch practically in every single combat engagement, and Dun Moch was primarily a sith tactic. He also used a blaster when needed (to kill Grievous).
That type of thinking, adaptability and willingness to break dogma to win are also what made Revan a natural leader in the Mandalorian Wars.
If Obi Wan remained entrenched in combat a while longer, he'd have become a modern version of Darth Revan - it would completely be like Obi Wan to learn and use every ability he could, and pretend to be sith and gather a following just for the purpose of killing the emperor. Instead, because he retired early, he got to keep being a jedi - but even then, manifesting as a force ghost is a dark side ability. "The Force ghost was the soul and essence of a deceased Force-sensitive who denied the will of the Force upon death" - Jedi welcome the will of the force. Sith are the ones who go against it.
My head canon is that Kenobi was guided by the Force to use all those forbidden moves. Even if Kenobi was giving into rage, as Qui-Gon’s apprentice and a devout Jedi, Kenobi was trained to more easily fall into the Force and become a true agent of its will.
It makes sense in respect to his fighting style (after he switched over from Ataru anyway), honestly. The idea of Soresu afterall is to constantly defend, waiting for the opponent to tire or make a mistake, and then take advantage of the resulting opening created and end the duel in one strike, 2 or 3 at most. Those forbidden moves, as gruesome as they are, definitely meet the requirements to finish a duel in one strike.
I imagine that it’s all a result of Qui Gon Jin’s influence. I love that Obi Wan was so skilled he could breaking one out on Darth Vader.
He did learn over the years, his last duel with Maul on tattooine was a quick slash at the chest, not severing anything but ending Mail's life on peace
Soresu is theoretically the perfect lightsaber form through which to use any (if not all) of such forbidden attacks. After all, with a near exclusive use of blocks and parries, the implementation of ___ can perfectly replace form 3's inherent occasional counters without contracting the tactics already implemented by its practitioners.
You guys realize how stupid "forbidden moves" sound? When you have a war.
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Tbf it sounds like a pretty dumb concept.
…and then someone invents the T-virus for warfare reasons and accidentally hits a civilian area or decides to use lasers irl and literally explode people from the inside with no chance of survival, and that’s why we have things like the Geneva Convention lol
It really does lol imagine having to defend your wife and kids from death while having only one SURE FIRE move to end the threat but some old dudes say you cant use it for the sake of, you know ..."morals" and sh** 🙄
It's a thing in reality too. That's why we deem certain things "war crimes" and have less sympathy to those who commit them. After all the brutality they received the Russians were not very forgiving of Nazi soldiers.
For the Jedi there’s a real risk of being corrupted and turning to the Dark Side for some of these, Jedi were meant to kill only as a last resort, droids not included of course.
Irl though, war crimes are a thing, and that’s because certain weapons and types of weapons are considered either inhumane or too dangerous to non-combatants.
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable guideline. Especially when you hold such power you need to be able to restrain yourself. In real life it is illegal to intentionally take non lethal shots to inflict pain, however tactically it makes sense in war as it will take more than one opponent out of the fight as someone needs to care for the wounded. Chemical weapons apply here too. They are hard to ward off and are extremely effective, but dying to them is a slow horrible experience. War isn’t a pass for cruelty but some see it as such. Therefore rules must be put in place, even in personal self defense, otherwise it is simply evil men torturing other men with a thin veil of justification.
On the one hand, I get the requirement to focus on peace, mercy, and when truly necessary, a quick end, but it almost feels like every Jedi must have a few moments-glimpse into the future, or such heightened reflexes, and awareness, to always be able to analyze, plan, and execute such moves? In other verses, we'd hear things like "if you draw your weapon, you had best be ready to use it for its intended purpose", and "if you ever try to half-ass in a duel, and don't take every opportunity you have to survive, I'll kill you myself", so it seems weird for thecJedi to be SO worried, and have such almost ritualistic tenets about how to kill with a lightsaber.
As a pointless aside, it's always nice to see art, and scenes, of the more Sir Alec Guiness-style Obi-Wan. So much of his content now was the Ewan McGregor motif, and as the nostalgia nut I am, it's still nice to see Kenobi as he was first introduced to me, all the way back in the 80s. 😊
"The force made me do it." -Kenobi.
07:38 - Exactly as i described it in the last presentation 😊
Fantastic animation on the lightsabers.
What about that last fight with Maul, where he cuts him in half the other way
It’s complicated, it seems like he only ever performed those tactics at first was in fact out of anger but later only acted so brutally out of desperation. The act he performed against the Tusken Raiders and his more swift takedown of Maul in Rebels shows he gained nearly full control over himself.
He faced most of the dark side's best fighters and constantly came out on top, I'd say he did exactly what he needed to do in order to persevere and win the day.
2:45 No! Sith Lords are his specialty.
I think another important thing to talk about here is how he killed maul for good, because even there he is depicted going for a strike across the lower abdomen, wich kills Maul relatively slowly, with them even having time to exchange some words. But it also seems relatively painless, and he took great care to not cuz him in half as well as immediately catching him, so he wouldnt just collapse to the floor
Kenobi's guilty pleasure is "breaking" the Jed Code..
Cuz apparently its only "breaking " if the enemy is sufficiently dangerous OR you get caught. REMEMBER the WHOLE Order basically used this to dismiss Dooku's execution with a Force handwave...
Besides these "forbidden" specialties his "hello there" apparently is his Dun Mok attack... seemed to work on Grevious. Looked like in Ep 1 was ALSO dismissed like Anakins seeing as Young Obi was in heat of the moment an cutting him in half WAS the only real move an it was even displayed as instinctive over deliberately. Its even Maul's fault..
Even Sideous said so there.. in Mauls arrogance he lost half his body..
So apparently if its desperate enough, serious enough, or convenient enough for the Jedi/Force The Order outright ignores, or foregoes, or forgives moves like theses even accepting they WILL happen intended or not even. If it suited them
Obi-Wan was so adept at Soresu that the Jedi Council considered him invincible whenever his lightsaber was lit.
Haha, "a peaceful meadow". Makes me think of Ralph from the Simpsons for some reason.
I feel like it would have been important to include/mention that the way Obi-Wan killed Maul in the end on Tatooine was with a diagonal slash across the chest. Interpret it how you will but I think it should be mentioned.
My opinion is that it was both the will of the force, in the case with his duel Anakin on Mustafar, and the built up stress and hardship of the Clone Wars.
Witnessing how much the Jedi had changed from what he's known all his life, losing friends and loved ones and the likes of Maul goading him into unleashing his rage could also have been factors.
His master is qui gon. Makes complete sense if I think about the teachings he would’ve been receiving in regards to the will of the force
Nice video! Out of curiosity. I wonder how many Jedi broke the code, due to their desperation in dueling a Sith.
Can we get a “if obi wan became a sith” video
Going for mauls mechanical legs is mercy, maul wont feel it. but will be limited to move.
wholesome ending
"I would never." "I can't think of a situation this should be used."
Necessity, desperation, fury. Use these as your lens and the situations will come to mind.
I think the best part about all the times that Obi-Wan used the forbidden moves it did not work out for the best. The first time it allowed maul to return in the Clone Wars TV Show. His strikes were either dodged or blocked during the clone wars. And with his inability to bring himself to kill Anakin on Mustafar he allowed Darth Vader upon the galaxy.
He really does have a thing for dismemberment. First by cutting up Maul, then taking Grievious' hands, and finally Anakin.
Oh and the Cantina scene too.
And Savage's arm
Cantina sceneS. Plural. In A New Hope "Old Ben" Kenobi dismembered the guy who was trying to hurt Luke. In Attack of The Clones Kenobi dismembered Zam Wesell when she was creeping up on Anakin. If you live in The Star Wars universe and you see Kenobi enter the bar you are in... GET OUT... NOW... somebody is going to lose a hand and it just might be you!
Its simple, and one of the same reasons he was alive for so long(and remember he let Vader win). Win... or dont, there is no mercy.
All is fair in love, and war.
Do unto others, as they do unto you.
Etc.
Obi-Wan would have been an absolute Savage as a Sith
I've never noticed that he was that ruthless in combat. An it dose go a long way in understanding why using such tactics in battle was forbidden.
another great video thanks!~
Seems like a great character for Mortal Combat, but then I fear he would be stained by it as well. His growth to the light side in the end would not be viewed in that glimpse? Maybe if he is finished we see him do what old man Obi-wan does with Vader. He just vanishes in his cloak? Would be neat to see.
Such limitations in Jedi fighting was born of a era where they could afford to absolute idealists. 1000 years of almost complete galactic peace.
Masters of old knew that in dire moments, sometimes the most merciful thing, is to not hold back.
When death war and torment are all around. And you are all the stands between innocents, and the advance of horrific foes.. You must be both the eye, and the storm. A serene mind, with clear purpose. And a lethal force without hesitation.
There is no redemption for the likes of monsters like Nihilus, Tenebrae, or the Dread Masters. Only their death ends the nightmare.
It's interesting to note in that Tusken story that Obi-Wan showing mercy is almost a contradiction, as the Tuskens now avoided him and the Lars homestead out of fear, not respect.
Every time Kenobi used a Sith technique in dueling it was because he was facing a superior opponent and was close to being killed. So out of desperation he reacted with a Sith technique in order to win.
But I did often wonder, who trained him in those techniques. Jedi padawans were not permitted to learn them. I’m not sure Qui-Gon Jinn did. Though he was known to be a rule breaker from time to time.
If I recall correctly, during The Clone Wars Kenobi fought against Durge and used the Shi-Ak strike technique. Durge just laughed after getting pierced through the chest. And slicing off his arm was no help either. He just reattached it to himself.
It's possible that we wasn't trained in those techniques and was being guided by the force. "Here is your opening, take it." style.
Honestly, it mostly sounds like "Because Jedi have a lot of well meaning but counter-productive rules that make them lamer fighters than their direct opposition, and defeating that opposition is ALSO part of their job.". Sure, maybe Kenobi did cut Maul in half because he was pissed, and the fact that he USUALLY goes out of his way to avoid hurting the people trying to kill him any more than he has to is one of the reasons he's my favorite. But he's also someone who recognizes the value of improvisation, occasionally even dirty tricks. One of my favorite moments in the Clone Wars cartoon is when he's undercover and we see that even though he finds blasters distasteful, he's still a crack shot. Regarding the duel on Naboo specifically, Kenobi only has a brief opening to make his strike, he has no reason to count on the guy who just killed a much more seasoned Jedi staring dumbfounded for long, and the neck is a much more precise and difficult target than the midsection. It was angry, but it was also practical.
In short, because bad guys are bad, and cheating is awesome.
That kinda adds a twist on Vader later showing up and killing all of them again
Going off code to get shit done, gotta go off code to get shit done 🎶
I kind of loved how Obi Wan would do what it took to survive. Like with Maul it was just a safer choice. Did he have time to potentially try to cut off Maul's head? Probably. But unless he tried for the head cut as he was flipping over Maul he'd have to lift up the saber to try it. While his midsection was a fraction closer. I don't disagree in the idea that he wanted Maul to live long enough to know his defeat, but it wasn't a bad call.
And yeah with Anakin it also wasn't a bad call. It was something unexpected and he didn't have much left in the tank. It is sad that he had to use that move against the one person in the galaxy he'd never have wanted to.
Oh shoot, I'm early! Quick, something witty!
Good soldiers follow orders. Great soldiers know when not to.
A+, nailed it.
It was the will of the force for him to use the move on Vader .. Kenobi was known as the negotiator more than anything during the war ..
Didn't it state somewhere in Canon, think either the ROTS novel or Kenobi's journal, that he was aiming for Skywalker's neck, but he mistimed the jump? So he had to improvise. But seeing the way he looked, he couldn't finish him.