Across the Spider-Verse: Hobie Brown - Therapist Reacts!
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Join psychotherapist Georgia Dow as she delves into the character of Hobie Brown, aka Spider-Punk, in "Across the Spider-Verse." In this thought-provoking video, Georgia explores the nuances of anarchism as portrayed through Spider-Punk's worldview. Delving into the admirable qualities and potential pitfalls of this ideology, she offers insightful analysis that uncovers both the strengths and challenges of living with such a belief system. Don't miss this captivating exploration that delves into the complex realities of anarchism, shedding light on the multifaceted persona of Spider-Punk in "Across the Spider-Verse."
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Hobie is both anarchist and a punk, and the traits you mentioned of anarchists is likely more applicable to punks, given they are all about counterculture. Ironically, punks and anarchists often are quite caring or collectivist because they recognize the need for human connection and co-operation. They just reject the top-down hierarchical structures of typical governments and corporations.
yes = )
I think you nailed it, and that's what makes Hobie such a joy to watch because they got that aspect right. We see him looking out for Pav, Gwen, and Miles like a big brother, giving Gwen a space to crash when she's homeless and encouraging Miles to trust himself and giving him the tools to escape the spider society and Miguel's control. He's got the younger kids backs.
YESSSSS
@@WandersNowherreYESSSSSS
i think anarchism and punk are highly overlapping categories...
He wasn't just taking things because he's an anarchist, but people forget he's still a Spider-man even if he's not a Parker, meaning he's incredibly intelligent. He was taking things to make his own multidimensional watch which he gave to Gwen's dad to give to her.
This !^^
Yupp. I noticed on the rewatch. That’s how he made his own watch
Wow, I didn't even think about that. We all consider Peter a scientist. But all Spider-Men are intelligent even if they aren't a Parker.
Hobie Brown is without question the actual Smartest in the room. Not Peter B or Miguel who're the most foolish. Unlike them he's playing 4D Chess. Him and Miles 42...Are the most Ethical and Logical. Gwen and Miles are the most emotional. Miguel the most unhinged. Peter B is just dumb making mistake after mistake. Jess is the most critical and emotionless. Lego is the best nothing beats Lego Spidey he's a master of everything...Only reason Miles escaped was because Lego's masterplan allowed him to it's a Canon Event (seriously though it's literally a Canon Event I'm not joking lol).
I'm hoping she acknowledges this in the end of the video. Im only midway in the vid.
Hobie's biggest act of rebellion isn't against Miguel, but against himself. He says he doesn't care, and acts like he doesn't have a plan, but he does. He helps Miles escape. He had the portal maker already built when Gwen needed it. He knew exactly how this would all fall out, and had planned ahead to do it. He was playing a longer, better game of chess against Miguel completely unnoticed by everyone. He was ahead in every move because he doesn't believe that every Spider Man needs to have the "Canon Events" and is out to prove Miguel is wrong for doing this.
I love this realization. Even his first words with Miles "Use the palms, not the tips" -- basically priming him for the big escape.
@@eldroch7513 When Miles was trapped, everyone starts arguing, and Hobie locks eyes with him in his panic, and just motions. ✋🤚
He knew how this was going to go down the whole time.
Beautifully put
I realized this but the way you said he did it to prove Miguel wrong adds a really cool new perspective
7:24 Hobie isn't randomly stealing here. Hobie's actually taking parts to make his own multidimensional travel watch (as he's telling miles he can make his own) and later gives to Gwen.
yes how did i not think of that
@@GeorgiaDow It's okay Georgia...They want people to overlook and/or misjudge Hobie's actions he's written that way intentionally. There's a very very specific reason for that too...Which the next film will showcase without question. You have to know the comics to know the plot twist coming for him. His actions and even his lines about not believing in heroes or consistency and he doesn't want to reveal his identity in his intro is golden foreshadowing. Even the idea that he's trying to steal Gwen but really isn't is an amazing readaption of the character. In short...He was always going to be on Miles side.
@@GeorgiaDow It takes most people until their second viewing to realize what Hobie's doing. He's so good at pretending to be nothing more than people's preconceived notion of a dumb punk that it's easy to get taken in, even as an audience member.
I agree! I was going to make the same comment.
@@morganqorishchi8181 Never saw him as dumb I always saw him as the smartest person there. I did think he and Gwen were a thing...But then realized on second viewing they're not at all. He's on Miles side more than he's on Gwen's even...He notes she lied to him and was trying to warn Miles the entire time these are NOT his people or friends to him.
Part of the point of Hobie's character is that even when he takes off his mask, he's not really showing his secret identity. The happy-go-lucky Hobie that relaxes around Spider Society is still a mask that he's wearing, one that makes it impossible for Miguel to take him seriously or see him as a threat.
We only see his true secret identity through his subtler actions - letting Miles know how to bust out of energy cages, stealing components for his own use, and then using them to forge a new bracelet for Gwen to set her free after Miguel traps her in her own universe.
Hobie appears to be a master of neutral Jin He remained with the society to find out its ins and outs and waited for the right moment to retaliate and quit the society. Love this character
Neutral Jing? Yes he is. The Best ones are.
@@flamesofchaos13assuming auto correct is to blame for that
They're all good, Miles is Neutral Good, Miguel is Lawful Good, and Hobie is Chaotic Good.
Hobie is stuck with the conundrum of a baby tied to a track vs the train full of people. Not knowing who's ultimately correct, he does what Serizawa in Godzilla says, and lets them fight.
@@Toidal Nope. Miles and Hobie are Chaotic Good. Gwen was Pure Neutral then shifted to Neutral Good. Miguel was Lawful Neutral then shifted to Lawful Evil. That's where they're at the end of the film. Whether they'll all change again is up to the events of Beyond.
My guess is that Miles will shift to Chaotic Neutral or just stays the same. Miles Prowler will be Chaotic Neutral but shift to Neutral Good or Chaotic Good. Gwen stays where she is. Miguel shifts to either Neutral Evil if he becomes more insane or shifts back to Lawful Neutral if he realizes how wrong he is about the canon and who's to blame (The Spot and Alchemax and Himself)...If he fully atones then he can end up Lawful Good or Neutral Good.
@@Thebeezzkneezz. I’m talking about avatar the last airbender, you guys.
I think a rewatch will help note how much more depth Hobie has beyond his appearance of being a chaotic counterculture guy. Not only is he critical in helping Miles and Gwen (teaching the palm technique and building the watch) but he's generally looking out for them while hiding under the facade of a caricature.
Hobie feels like the perfect "big brother" character, where basically every interaction he has with Miles or Gwen is to help them or teach them in some way while still letting them make their own decisions and choices, trying not to influence them in any way other than for them to start thinking for themselves. Hell he and Pavitr definitely had a sibling playfulness when they reunited in the film. And his interaction with Mayday was just cute and screamed "This is who Peter B would get to babysit"
The thing about anarchists is that we actually have a big sense of community. When we’re all free, we’re all equal and we all usually get along. It’s not perfect, but what is?
anti-hierarchy not anti-people... i wonder why people up a hierarchy think anarchism is anti-people... hmmmm... i wonder.... 😝
@@parthasarathipanda4571control. Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book
@@parthasarathipanda4571because just like any people with a strong belief they CAN act a tad antagonistic to the people who challenge their ideas
@@parthasarathipanda4571 Propaganda to keep the masses on the bottom, powerless.
Sorry if it seems like I'm making fun of you, but I read your comment in Hobie's voice
"Looking out for my drummer is all" When he was ripping things out of the wall, Hobie was actually collecting bits to make a multi-dimensional watch for himself and Gwen (his drummer).
He introduces himself as Hobie Brown, unlike everyone else who says they are spiderman. And he doesn't ever say that he is Spider-punk; the introduction's text does that for him, so Hobie probably thinks that Spider-punk is his secret identity.
It's another hint towards what's coming in Beyond. He isn't Spider-Man. Just like Miles and Miguel. That's the point of the narrative.
Great point !!
You notice Hobie is all about making sure people are alright, Gwen needs somewhere to stay, so he makes sure she is OK. And with Miles his first question is are you alright, do you have a stable family. It may look like he's having a go, but I think he is willing to open up the offer to Miles too.
It reminds me of all the grass root Anarchists I know, they are always organising meet ups, building links to people with useful skill and making sure those people meet up with people that need those skills. If Society is not going to support people, it's up to us to support each other.
Also Hobie is taking stuff because he is reverse engineering the Societies Tech without the built in surveillance. The watch he gives Gwen at the end isn't one of Miguel's, it's one he's built from the ground up.
I thought Hobie would just be the “punk character” the character who was going to look cool, appease the punk crowd in a “feed the media” way. However the writers and artists had an authentic and genuine take on what “punk” actually means, a little bit of the history, and it’s significance as a movement. Then on top of it, they made Hobie the one hijacking the narrative and refusing Miguel’s algorithm. He’s everything in this movie! And he cares for Gwen while she’s truly struggling at home.
“Don’t enlist until you know what war you’re fighting.” Hobie speaking truths. I love the fact that He's just pure, unadulterated chaotic neutral. EXACTLY how a punk would be, and it's presentedin such a positive light. My favorite scene from the movie has to be when he unmasked himself with Miles, and when Miles asks him why he even looks cool without the mask, he simply responds with “I’ve always been cool.” Absolutely love the guy!
Chaotic Good...Or he wouldn't help Miles and Gwen. Hobie and Miles are Chaotic Good. Chaotic Neutral is most likely Miles 42 Prowler. Gwen had a shift from True Neutral to Neutral Good. Miguel had a shift from Lawful Neutral to Lawful Evil. The Spot is Neutral Evil leaning to Chaotic Evil. Peter B is Neutral Good (with Chaotic Stupid traits). Jess and the rest of the Spiders are either True Neutral or Lawful Neutral.
Very much agreed.
yes so much and thank you for the support
@@flamesofchaos13mmmm… I’d argue that Miguel is actually Lawful Good during the duration of THE ENTIRE FILM. He wants what’s best for Spider Society and the Spider-Verse, and thinks the best way to achieve that is via “preserving the canon.”
Moral alignment (good, neutral, and evil specifically) is all about intentions, but sometimes good intentions yield bad results
Never did like the alignment chart. In terms of MtG colors, Hobie is likely Mono-red at least, either Izzet or Rakdos in median, and Grixis (or possibly Temur) at most.
Hobie's introduction was a magic act. First, they mention him, and Miles is immediately jealous, and as the audience, we immediately are suspicious of Hobie cause we want Miles and Gwen to get together. It only takes a couple of minutes to warm up to him and start liking him just like Miles himself does. You can't hate this guy, lol
He showed up as a massive spectacle, but the closer he got to Miguel, the more subdued and quiet he became in color and behavior. By the time Miles was in the trap, Hobie was almost inaudible.
@@TrismegistusMxTHAT'S why he just mouthed "hands" and did the motion. I just thought it was him being sneaky sneaky.
Hobie is a classic Trickster archetype. As an anarchist he knows his true enemy is "The Deceiver" in his many forms. Always surrounded by a hierarchy of power. In the exchange with Miles, every word had double or triple meanings. He got a memory chip, power source, and screen from the doodads despite Miles' interference. The next time we see the AI, she's confused and her appearance is disheveled. Hobie always intended to destroy Migel's webs and Miles and Gwen were his gambit.
I might be the only one but I felt no negative emotions toward him.
@adamdailey6675 I think any negativity cane from a place of jealousy. I'd have disliked him if his beliefs turned out to be superficial and he was somewhat of a fraud, but the dude never wavers
I was a little sad you didn't talk about how Hobie plays into the stereotype of a dumb punk to hide things he does, like taking parts to build the device he made Gwen or giving Miles advice to question authority. If Hobie let on how smart he actually is, Miguel probably wouldn't have let him on the team at all given Hobie's anarchist leanings. Having the intelligence to pretend to be dumb and the maturity to roll with the assumptions people make about him is a really interesting aspect of his character and I was interested to see what your thoughts were on that.
Edit: In front of Miguel, Hobie lounges around, doesn't talk business, and is very clearly playing into the stereotype of punk = just some random teenager. With Miles, he's a wise, confident, loyal friend. He's using the facade of someone who's not taking things seriously in front of Miguel and being his actual self in front of Miles. I never said Hobie was dumb; commenters in replies who think that, please save your fanfic of what I said for your personal therapist. The reality is Hobie is both capable of engineering a device to navigate the multiverse and lounging around laying on his back in Spider HQ like he's totally not someone smart enough to do that. If you didn't notice that, I really don't know what to say.
you should watch schnee’s analysis of Hobie if you haven’t, he talks about that a bit
I didnt see him as dumb at all I think he was quite on point.
Perhaps some people have a prejudice against punk people and assume they are playing dumb. But here, there is nothing that suggests hobie is stupid.
@@GeorgiaDow In front of Miguel, Hobie lounges around, doesn't talk business, and is very clearly playing into the stereotype of punk = just some teenager. With Miles, he's a wise, confident, loyal friend. I'm not sure how the switch between the two modes of being went unnoticed, particularly when he's using the annoying facade that makes Miguel want to pretend Hobie's not there as a cover for stealing parts to use to engineer a device that can access the multiverse.
This is so true, and it comes across in the way Miguel treats him. Just Hobie's presence annoys Miguel to the extent he doesn't even want to look at him. "Ugh, this kid again." It's so smart- Hobie lets himself be underestimated, and uses that to his advantage so he can sneak around and fulfil his plans.
Hobie was the real hero of this movie!
ℍ𝔼𝕃𝕃 𝕐𝔼𝔸ℍ!!
He says he's not a hero though lol.
@@Salik96 Real Heroes need no praise or recognition. He won't accept it but he's the Real Hero there. Then Miles and Margo. The rest are/were villains of the week.
@@flamesofchaos13 Margo? Do you mean miguel? And Spot was the real and only villian.
@@flamesofchaos13eh no
I loved Hobie the moment where he proved me wrong helping Miles escape. I need to stop looking at people the wrong way 😅
Yeah. Please do that!!!!
As a skater punk/ anarchist I was really expecting bad representation but boy did they knock it out of the park with Hobie
it's a huge meta bias, but I loved him the second I heard Daniel Kaluuya. I was like "yeah this is our guy."
Hobie Brown was arguably one of the standout characters in the movie. I personally loved his interpretation of the Sex Pistols arc. Especially that he is a poc but is a positive role model. I hope we see more of him in Beyond the Spider-Verse.
We will he's helping Gwen go save Miles on Earth 42. But also they've confirmed one of the new realities we're seeing in Beyond is Spider-Punk's world. Hobie Brown is a VERY important character for this storyline with a Major plot twist for Movie fans only waiting to come into play. "Anyone can wear the Mask", "You're just like me", "I don't believe in consistency". Even the idea of depicting him as a rival to the protagonist is a hardcore reference and readapting it to be a romantic rival is even more of a great readaptation on the concept to hint towards He's not an Anarchist he's a Thief. Even if proven incorrect...That's even more golden if nothing happened and he's always been on Miles side.
Pos?
It'll be really interesting when we get to see his world. I don't know much about his comic but I do know he was fighting a brutal fascist regime and the comic got quite violent at times, so I wonder if that plays into his distrust of controlling groups like Miguel's.
@@WandersNowherre It's part of his character canon...The actual canon that matters to the plot and is real. No matter what reality it is.
@@flamesofchaos13 I'm with you, but I'm not fully grasping everything here. What exactly is the twist you see coming for the movie fans?
Hobie is the narrative middle ground between Miguel and Miles.
He outwardly acts like he doesn’t care about belonging and falling in line; making him seem like he’s emotionally detached like Miguel wants to present himself in order to remain in control.
However, when everyone Turns against Miles, he gives Gwen a device that will enable her to help Miles in the next film. So in the way, Hobie echoes Miles’ words to Miguel: “ everyone keeps telling me how my story is supposed to go… nah, I’m going to do my own thing ( and I want think is the best way to secure a win for everyone)”.
Plus, I think Hobie also helped Miles because as the only two black men within the spider society, part of him was thinking “ we brothers got stick together, ya know “.
They do need to stick together indeed. They're one and the same...Literally just a different breed compared to the rest.
Spider-Punk has always been my favourite Spider-Man. I was sooo happy to see him have such a big role in "Across The Spiderverse", and equally happy to see you covering him!
he was such fun to do
11:30
In anarchism, the problem is not having leaders, is having bosses.
As you said, anarchistic groups have peoples how would organize and be "points of reference", but the thing is that you have the right to not obey.
Please don't apologise for the pronunciation thing! In parts of London sometimes we drop the H sounds at the begining of words, so haven't can sometimes be said as 'aven't and Hobie could become 'obie. Both work, just depends on your accent 🤗 Hobie is such a cool character ❤
thank you for that explanation = )
@@GeorgiaDowalso, Daniel Kaluuya, the voice actor, was asked to use his native Camden accent to voice Hobie. He in fact was concerned whether audiences would understand his accent but they made it work with those little pop-ups to explain the slang.
@@GeorgiaDowI think it's more interesting that you pronounce "against" with what sounds like a British accent 😜
Most would say uh-genst and you say a-gaynst.
as an anarchist... thank you.
Love the analysis. I personally believe that yes he believes in the individual but he encompasses Indivualism through Collectivism while Miguel believes in Collectivism because of his fear of aloneness. There's a lot we could learn from Hobie in this regard. He's ideally the right person to lead the spiders but doesn't cause he can't be the one in control of the indiviuals, he'd be of the mindset do it yourself, yet at the same time he'll help as he sees fit. Personally, I think he's the best character to come out of this film
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I love how Hobie uses his anarchism as obfuscation to throw off people so he's not taken seriously. He became the real MVP when Miguel finally fell off the slippery scope. I love characters like that, being craftier than they appear.
I imagine Hobie broke his own rule about his secret identity not because he's breaking his own rules but because he's staying true to himself and not blindly doing what everyone else does (in this case, protesting Spider Society by being Hobie instead of Spider-Punk).
Why apologize for different pronunciations while you could say you don't believe in consistency?
why does it matter??
@@sofiastafford3962You don't believe in comedy?
@@dead.inside.585I don’t think anything’s funny…
Just kidding!!
7:35 - it wasn't for "chaos' sake". He was taking stuff he later turned into an independent interdimensional watch for Gwen, in case they wouldn't be able to convince Miguel. He was preparing a safety net (har har) for her and Miles.
As someone who is very into counterculture and grew up very much in the vein of a lot of people who are inherently questioning and defiant, I think a large part of that is once you realize where the grey areas are (and to an extent further realize everything is on a spectrum) you become an agent of change for the better, not necessarily an agent of change for the opposition of the norm. Especially when the system doesn’t work for you.
He takes tech so he can build his own bracelets and covers it up by just presenting it as chaos.
Hobie is the epitome of chaotic good/neutral, in that he favors the individual and often does things simply because he can, but has a strong moral compass.
I heard someone say that the truest version of punk is caring about people, and I think they're right. If our society values the accumulation of wealth and power far above everything else, then in order to actually rebel against it, you have to believe that people matter more.
It's not that there are no rules, it's that "because I said so" is not sufficient justification for the existence of a rule. Power does not justify itself.
There's so much exposition and foreshadowing by Spider-Punk/Hobie Brown, we didn't even notice it.
-Identified Miles from Earth 1610 (spider was from Earth 42).
-Tells Miles to use his whole hand, not just his fingertips to zap forcefields.
-Tells Miles to, "Make your own watch.", then makes one with stolen tech and leaves it with Gwen's dad.
-Warning Miles the Spider-Society may not be the good guys, "Just don’t enlist 'til you know what war you’re fighting.".
Much like a magic act (as someone commented), he distracts us with his anarchy while subtly dropping vital story elements.
I think Hobie is very tricky to analyze since there is a very good argument that a lot of his more over the top behavior may be done deliberatelly to fly under the radar, while he plots to destabilize Spider-Society that he sees as oppressive. Even him trying to speak for Miles may been due to being aware what is going to happen if Miles meets Miguel.
The misanthropic slacker persona is just another mask he uses to hide the TRUE Hobie: the caring, nurturing revolutionary who uses his gifts to take down fascists and despots and to uplift the vulnerable and downtrodden. He understands as well as ANYBODY in Spider Society the correlation between power and responsibility.
When Hobie says the line to Mayday, “Taking a crap on the establishment, I salute you,” he’s literally congratulating her for pooping her diaper while she was spider-crawling all over Miguel. Miguel being the ultimate representative for “The Establishment” (ie. the oppressive Spider Society that Hobie’s rebelling against).
“I don’t believe in comedy…….Just kidding!!” 😂
Hobie is actually such a brilliant character because I think a lot of his behavior is 'superficial' anarchy, the stereotype, (IE 1. saying Miles doesn't take orders, 2. ripping stuff off to 'cause chaos', etc.), but it's ACTUALLY masking his genuine revolutionary anarchy at the same time, and it's SO layered and clever-- 1. saying 'he doesn't take orders' is preemptively conditioning Miles to question the things he's told in Spider Society, 2. the stuff he's stealing is SPECIFICALLY to make his own time-travel watch, which he's doing RIGHT NOW because he knows that shit is about to go down with Miles being brought to SSHQ-- AAAGH it's SO good, he's an incredibly smart character both in-universe and in writing terms, just. Nnnf. So good. Love this motherfucker. So many layers to every action in every scene he's in.
more cool Hobie shit bc I feel like gushing
- the 'make your own watch' comment subtly signposting EXACTLY what he's doing in stealing Miquel's shit, but also presenting the idea to Miles that 'the road you see to the thing you want might not be the only road'
- the symbolism of Miguel throwing away the empanada Miles brings him and Hobie grabbing it out of the trash-- Miles is the empanada, something Miguel thinks he doesn't need, but that Hobie can still see the value in
- Hobie blocking Miles' path with his legs, but allowing himself to be easily knocked out of the way-- showing his hopes of keeping Miles from joining up with them, but also allowing Miles to freely express his own autonomy
- the overall way Hobie interacts with Miles-- the way he presents his perspective to him, he encourages Miles to question things, to look at things in a different way, but he doesn't force it, doesn't discourage Miles for thinking the way he does. All of this makes it so clear to me that Hobie has his back nearly from the word go, and that he always planned to quit when the time was right, and the seeds for revolution were sown.
Such a good fuckin character. So many layers to every scene and every shot that amount to around 5-10 minutes of total screentime hahah.
It was so refreshing to see an anarchist realistically depicted.
At first Hobie seems all talk. He seems like a self-parody who's just spouting non-conformist one-liners and is more than glad to lampshade his own hypocrisy. His aesthetic is awesome, but it seems hollow.
Now, a sentence that subtly tells a lot about Hobie is when he retorts to Miles "I was this cool the whole time." Hobie doesn't do masks in the symbolic sense. His dialogue is dripping with candor, he is every bit the man he claims to be, and there's no point to differentiate between Spider-Punk and Hobie Brown; they are in every sense possible completely one and the same; no pretenses, no courage in anonymity, no skewed self-image.
And then comes the latter half of his screen time, where he finds refuge in his blatant honesty. He doesn't even hide any of his intentions. He literally suggests DIY-ing a watch rather than kowtow to Miguel WHILE he's scavenging parts to do just that. Everyone writes him off as quirky, to the point of even pretending he's not there. And veiled in that wilfull ignorance he can do what he wants.
Anarchist's have gotten a BAD rap through the 20th century. Capitalists, communists, and fascists alike have discredited their school of thought, to the point that anarchy has almost become synonymous to 'violent chaos'. In truth, anarchy is a philosophy of personal responsibility and equality, but since it runs counter to the established order, it must be fought in whatever way they can.
And Hobie runs counter to that smear campaign; he's a paragon of anarchism.
He subverts Spider-society rather than violently thrash against it. He cultivates a power-base that is antithetical to Miguel's (who's a self-mythologizing, narcissistic autocrat). Miguel projects power, status, and lets the Spider-peeps feel safe in conformity. It's a lot easier to follow horrible orders when you belief them to be in service of a greater good (exhibit A: Nazi Germany).
Meanwhile Hobie is this easy-going fella. He's never openly antagonistic to individuals, freely shares his wisdom, cares deeply for his friends, and seems always ready to make more.
He may be the single best depiction of a bona fide punk I've ever seen in any media. Punks are always shown to be these angry teens hating on the way things are; they're depicted as misguided kids with a rebellious streak. Hobie's not like that at all. He's clearly a kind, easy-going soul who fights fascism with the power of friendship.
hobie's design is so smart and cool, all the way down to the way he's animated. everyone else is animated by two's or one's (a new pose every two/one frame). but hobie is animated on three's, because he doesn't follow into the rules of everyone else.
And his guitar is animated in 4s
He wasn't just stealing things to steal them, he was taking them to build his own watch.
yes and one for gwen !!! so smart
That quote about "not signing up till you know who youre fighting" is so cool
I was nervous when I saw the thumbnail, but this is a refreshingly balanced view of anarchists!
I am one, and I find most people have really warped views on us; we're just people who don't want these corrupt governments forcing their enormous lists of unfair rules on us. Most people I meet assume "anarchy" means "no rules" and "bodies in the street", and... No... To me, anarchy is that rules only exist to help people get what they need and avoid hurting others and the ecosystem; no huge law books, just a few guiding principles and prevention of undo harm.
In a DnD perspective, Hobie is chaotic good, he does these things for the better of the people around him.
The anarchist tendency that Hobie embodies is reducing the hierarchy. He recognized that Miguels society is totalitarian and he gives Miles nudges in the right direction to make a similar decision.
Hobie Brown aka Spider Punk my new favorite Spider Man perfect cosplay and analysis as always.
7:18 He's collecting parts for the watch he makes for Gwen.
He used the parts to build the watch! Also, when Miguel alerts his AI the first time after this scene, she appears confused and disheveled. He's only part of the system so he can undermine it.
My man Hobie! I was looking forward to this one 😅
I think one of the reasons he resonates so much is that they subverted tropes by introducing him as a "love rival" for Miles to be jealous of and then undermined every assumption. He's also the first "punk" character I've seen in mainstream pop culture who is portrayed positively and follows the punk ethos in action, not just words.
He's not the jerkface love rival competing with Miles for Gwen, he's the cool friend who looked after her when she was homeless and is now watching Miles back and trying to gently but insistently warn him about the Spider Society. He's on Team Miles from the moment they meet. Stealing stuff to make Gwen a watch that Miguel can't monitor or control. Teaching Miles to use his shock hands to their full power knowing he might need them to escape. In the 'intervention' scene, when all the other spiders are in a big circle staring in at Miles and judging him, Hobie is the only one facing away.
Dude is a true punk.
I think everyone wishes they had a Hobie voice living in their head, telling us to tirelessly fight against that which restrains or imprisons us. We didn't know we needed this character of Hobie until we saw him. Love for this character must be near-universal in every culture on the planet. We all want to be free.
He also took the stuff to make his own inter-dimensional bracelet
You always have the best outfits this is one of my favorites. Plus great deconstruction!
My dad dabbled in anarchy in his younger years and I think those beliefs were somewhat instilled in me growing up. He had this really old poster that said-
“Question authority.”
“All authority?”
“All authority.”
It’s not about being antagonistic or confrontational. It’s just a core belief to “not be a sheep” 😅 and keep asking questions
I love how Hobbie is initially a little bit set up in our expectation to be this antagonistic boyfriend whom everyone loves for the wrong reasons based on how Gwen and others talk about him around Miles, and then we get the Spider Punk and we all love him
It's important to note that caring for others is a key part of anarchist theory and practice, and that we see the dichotomy between collectivism and individualism as a false one. We believe that in order for everyone to have the most autonomy and freedom to develop themselves, it is also necessary for everyone to have their needs met and be supported by a community. We also believe in a unification of means and ends, which is why mutual aid is such an important part of working towards liberation, because caring for others and helping to meet needs that would otherwise be exploited instead empowers them to be more autonomous. This is in addition to the way anarchists aim to organize mutual aid networks in order to build the institutions that we want to replace capitalism and the state with.
As an anarchist who was in the military, this video made me very happy.
also, i dont know if you noticed, but Hobie was stealing this to create technology that could counter the watches. it wasnt random.
Yes makes much more sense
Looking back at the scene where Spiderwoman says Miguel wants everybody back at HQ and Hobie leans on Miles to say pretty much “no”, I can see that he was trying to spare Miles the chase & capture he knew was coming. Makes me like Hobie even more. He was trying to let Miles know what was up and protect him from the start.
I feel like the video is kind of missing Hobie's role in the story. He's a conscious catalyst to the spiders rebelling against Miguel and the established spider canon from his first moment in the movie.
-He spoke for Miles to try and keep him away from Miguel, because he knew about Miles' role in the anomalies and what the spider people would do to him.
-He's not taking all that stuff from HQ just to cause chaos. He's taking stuff to build dimension travelling watches that aren't tracked by the rest of the spiders.
Love your videos btw, keep up the good work!
The metaphor for capitalism is a line I almost centered a video around for Hobie. I think it's very easy to shrug that line off and I think it's actually 100% literal.
I think it's fear of the unknown just like editors were scared to show Peter growing old and having a kid in the main Marvel universe, scared to give Gwen agency in her own story, scared to have a black Spider-Man. I love that we got all of these things in this movie but I think the point of Miguel is to be a force similar to the editors who kept Gwen dead for all those years or the fans who hated on Donald for Spider-Man. Capitalism doesn't like risk's, Marvel is a hedge fund taking stock in characters and that hole is something they have to overcome even though it's as big and scary as what capitalism can drive us to do in a hive mind when we want a safe bet. Unfortunately life is full of leaps of faith. We learned it in the last one for a reason, just like we learned it in Gwen's comics on that same bridge.
I'd vote it for the single least understood line of the movie.
Since it's the biggest threat and the most like an actual incursion event (something bigger than a missed "cannon event" this would be something that either smashes planets together like oh idk a giant portal putting two worlds extremely close together, or multiple cannon events all being missed and cascading together, similar to what they explained in the TVA in loki, these would be similar to incursion events and something that big is literally worse than anything Miguel's experienced. It justifies Miles not going home, sacrificing the individual for the collective. Just like it would be reasonable for those editors to say it would cheapen death for Gwen to come back to life in the comics all those years. Very good symbolism imo, definitely a good metaphor for capitalism ye?
Hobie isn't randomly stealing things to cause chaos, he's both literally and figuratively deconstructing a system to understand how it works so he can replicate the parts that make sense (building Gwen a watch, for example) and discard the parts that down.
There is also the thing that Hobie being Anti-fa while Miguel is very facist. Hobie was checking things out, seeing where everyone stands, and once he sees where the pieces are, he makes the right little moves (stealing pieces to make his own watch, showing Miles the palm trick, sharing thoughts with Miles and Gwen who are both highly impresonable age), he tips the can and leaves as Miguel's little totalitarian eutopia topples to the ground.
Hobie knows Miguel has a point, at the same time though he also knows Miguel is doing the right things wrong. Stuff isn't as absolute b/w as Miguel makes it out to be. Hobie takes his time to figure what is right or wrong in a case by case and chooses instead of blanket a "canon" and "non-canon" where things always have to be this way.
A little bit of chaos can be a good thing, sometimes people get set in their own ways and can't see beyond the path that they are taking, they can't see any other solution but the one they are already set on. Injecting some chaos can shake things loose, and help people build themselves up stronger and better then before.
Fun fact: The reason why he kept destroying things and pulling things off the wall was to make Gwen's off-the-grid multiverse watch/transporter.
i really like Hobie because he is the only character who helped Miles without any patronising bullsh*t. he sees Miguel's actions as oppressive (which they... really is...), and all that time he knew who Miles was BUT hadn't met him in person.
and after Miles proved himself to be capable and a person who really cared about helping as many people as possible, he decided to help him.
because why should other people decfine who you are? or decide your fate and control your actions? ofc Hobie is against it all!
He was either a part of it...Because he's not actually Spider-Punk having nefarious intentions towards them from the start. Or he is Spider-Punk who learnt the truth of it all but decided the best call was to pretend to agree pretend to fit in until the moment to disable it was provided. There is the element of being on Team Gwiles without question he genuinely cares for her (as a friend) and immediately liked Miles which is either because he Knows Everything or because something about him just vibes right. I can't tell if it's instinct or intention...I believe it's the latter.
i love that hobie doesn't even like miguel, he just messes with everybody and is a friend to gwen/miles the whole time
Hobie secured his spot in my lisy of top 3 Spider-Men and he is now number 1. He represents me, or rather everything i want to be. He goes against the norm in every. Even right down to his frame rate. He's more stylized than the stylized movie! But despite of his rebellion, he is still kind and respectful. More so to those who go against the grain just like him. Thats why he took such a strong liking to Miles upon their first interaction because he saw that rebellion in him and the first thing he does is help him bring that out more effectively.
Actually Miguel wasn’t a spider bite at all. He got his DNA mixed with Spider DNA. That is why he is so different and why he has no spider sense
Been watching your Spider-Verse vids recently, and I LOVE how you get straight to the point. No long-winded intro, no beating around the bush, no sponsor break, nothing. The video starts right when you click it. I wish more people did that.
He taught Miles how to use his venom abilities perfectly
7:40 he’s using those resources to build the dimension hopper he gives to Gwen later
Showed up, became a legend and left. And not even ten minutes.
Hobie grabbing the things randomly wasn't JUST about anarchy, he was grabbing the components for one of the dimension jumping watches for Gwen later on
You know what I ACTUALLY think Hobie wouldn't really care if you said his name wrong cause he dOeSnT bElIevE In cOnSisTeNCy.
I really appreciate putting the advertisements at the end of your videos. The current trend most creators do now is put them in the middle or random spot during the video. Thank you!
I discovered you during edge runners. Since my mental breakdown this year and checked myself into a VA physic ward I have been more interested in mental health and how something like stress or depression can effect your body and mind. I love you. Keep going💜💜💜
from a writing standpoint, hes introduced with misdirection, youre supposed to think hes competition for gwen and after he congratulates miles you think the story arc is over but he ends up showing that hes been hiding his true self and hes a much deeper character than we are led to believe at the start. Breaking down each of his lines and where hes being true to himself and where hes being the fake hobie to misdirect is super interesting!
I was waiting for this one!!
Thanks for sharing insights from Hobie, a wonderful character. Blessings on your day!
Thanks for watching!
Not chaos for chaos's sake. He was collecting parts to make his own portal watches. Everything he did was undermine what is, quite frankly, a suppressive force. He has a point in everything, to help the individual maintain their freedom and identity. 7:25
"I'm not even here." Even his wording is pretty spot on. He wasn't there as a member, he was there as opposition. He wasn't there with Miguel, but against. 9:51
I have a Hobie in a my life for a friend, been down since pre-med school til dz date and that was 15 yrs ago and the guy is an unorthodoxical surgeon but brilliant Dr.
Hobie is a good and somewhat refreshing take on anarchism and counter culture. A lot of anarchism is based on individual consent to act in a system and being allowed to leave that system when it loses that priority for the individual. He was always thinking ahead and had contingencies for when he eventually quit. He hated the structure of the Spider Society and stayed until Miles was made the bad guy for challenging the structure and it was clear Miguel was acting selfishly within that system. I wouldn't be surprised if he was there just to meet the "anomaly" that embodies his whole mission statement of doing what's right for the individual and not necessarily the group. From minute one he was telling Miles about how shitty the pomp and structure to the society was. Him taking random tech from around the base was both to piss people off and to make that portal watch for Gwen for when she defected. And yeah he's cold sometimes and is definitely a bit full of himself and his ideas, but in the end of the day he's true to himself and who he cares about. It's like he said, Hobie Brown was cool the whole time
Hobie was taking items to make a watch for Gwen and another cool thing he did. He taught Miles how to do his electric charge better which is how he got out of Miguel's forcefield and overload Miguel's spider suit
Hobbie stealing things is a Chekhov's Gun for the bootleg portal band he gives Gwen at the end. Other people mention it but I want points for Chekhov's Gun.
When I tell you I've been WAITING for this one!
yay
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Anarchism isn't doing things to create chaos.
They usually believe that society would organize itself widout the need of hierarchy.
They don't usually defend just stealing things without good reason.
You have to remember that even though miles went and hobie didn’t agree, he goes with them to let them have their agency but is still there for them for when it hits the fan.
And he was stealing parts to build the watch he gives to Gwen’s dad
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Just a heads up that political anarchy and the more common way the word anarchy is used to mean "no rules" _aren't_ the same thing. Using the words "actual anarchy" to mean "no rules" when talking about an anarchist character (or person) is kind of like going on a tangent about being sad/"depressed" in a convo about clinical depression.
Political anarchy isn't "remove all rules from society and home cus rules bad", it's "remove unjust hierarchies".
Can you take a look at handsome jack from borderlands
Fun fact, all that stuff that he broke off in the facility, he actually made it into a dimensional watch
7:17 I think I remember someone else pointing out how he's stealing parts to make his own watch to travel in-between different dimensions. The watches are incredibly important to Spider Society at large, both because of implied tracking properties and because if you go to other dimensions without it, you can glitch out and die. I think it was schnee, another RUclipsr, who pointed this out. But if not, then it was someone in the comment section on his video analyzing Hobie Brown. Either way, I definitely recommend watching his vid cause it's just very well crafted in general ^w^ But I do find your stance on his actions noteworthy and fascinating to.o
what a RAD fucking character and such an amazing, perfect role for Daniel Kaluuya, finally getting to speak in his natural accent for the first time since Black Mirror or Skins.
Your jacket rocks. Hopefully this feeds the algorithm, your content is amazing. Hobie “let’s do this one more time” was everything I wanted from his introduction.
Hobie was the GOAT & a true ride or die friend
"You want to be able to find the path that suits you in order to live your best life" This would be a profound statement, if it wasn't so vapid. The reason why? Who has time to find their own path when they're constantly being bombed? Or starving to death even though they work 20 hours? Or dying from a treatable disease because their home is simply just too poor? It's easy to say these things kinds of things when you are blind to the suffering in reality. Hobie and others like him think this way because of this. Authority can be pretty comforting, but at what cost?
Also important to note, the actual reason he's stealing stuff off the walls is to make his own watch that he gives to Gwen at the end of the movie ;)
6:20 Hobie is not talking for Miles because he wants to boss him around, he's talking for him because Miles has just disrupted a canon event to save a person's life, so Hobie thinks Miles is someone that doesn't care about the canon events and has something of an anarchist himself. Miles did that without knowing it was a canon event, but in the end Hobie was right because Miles doesn't agree with the way the Spider Society does things around there.
Worth noting: The stuff Hobie takes from the walls and lab are what he uses to make his own transdimensional stablizer for Gwen at the end.
Hobbie is meant to be overlooked. He is such a deep character yet you can't really tell what he is doing on your first watch. You overlook soooo many of his layers on the first watching. The dude literally distracts you with shallowness while actually being super deep.
It takes many viewingd to put everything about his five minutes on screen together.
I have a friend who watched it the first time and didnt notice the stealing things aspect.
Then he rewatchef and noticed them.
Then he watched it again and realized that he was stealing things to make a watch.
One of the best well e ritten characters ive seen in media.
3:58 Anarchy is not a society without rules is a society without a state
You wouldn't think that multiple versions of the same superhero would be this good, yet both this movie and its predecessor have proven to have some of the best casts of any superhero movie I've seen 😊
To be fair there's Two versions in play. Spider (Pure Hero) and Prowler (Anti-Hero). "He's not the only one", 'You're just like me", "Anyone can wear the mask".