"It's really neat that every character has their own interaction with every other character." Yeah, just a shame you can't *_read it because it goes by so fast._*
@brentacomoose its one of the coolest fighting game mechanics of all time imo. I never understood why players luv roll canceling so much from CVS2 but don't love GCFS from SVC Chaos
@carlosaugusto9821 Why compare it to CVS2? CVS2 is a better game but just cause it's better that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing. Half the planet doesn't even know this game exists, the other half who do know it exists say its a bad game cause of the broken characters and cause its not better than CVS2. But every great 2d fighting game has broken shit in it. There are 3 games in the Capcom vs snk series and I guess everyone wants all 3 games to be exactly alike? Why? Roll Canceling in CVS2 is a broken accidental mechanic that everyone loves but Guard Cancel Front Step from SVC Chaos gets hated on by players who never even played SVC chaos and only say its a bad game cause someone else told them it was. But to each his own,play what you like. I'm main Chun li on every game since Super Sf2 turbo and her variation in SVC chaos is one of her best
@@emperormegaman3856 Yeah there is no way you could make SVC Chaos as it was these days. I definitely respect the vision, but as you said, it's just too dark for marketability purposes. All the characters are dead and stuck in some post apocalyptic limbo, the art style is really cool but also dark (especially for how the Capcom characters are usually illustrated), and some of the character choices would absolutely not be made today. There is no way you could pick Zero over Megaman or X, or the Metal Slug Martians over Marco/Tarma/Fio/Eri, or Demitri over Morrigan.
I don't even play fighting games anymore. But I enjoy this channel to remember the past and see what's new.... Don't change! Good times hanging out. 🎉🎉
I do I still have mine on og xbox I'm going to buy this again! Whenever it's released it's not on the store yet.. they said it's out now.. but im more of a physical person!
Zero, Red Arremer, and Mars People being a playable character made this game stand out for me back in the day. Capcom vs SNK's roster was tame by comparison.
There were some great choices to the SVC lineup, including Demitri and Shiki apart from those you mentioned. But the main roster was also lacking variety (was disappointed Zangief didn't make the cut). Between Ryu and two versions of Ken and Akuma, you literally have 5 shotos. Throw in the semi-shotos like Sagat, Dan, Iori and Orochi Iori, Genjuro, Terry, Demitri and Zero, and there was a severe lack of play styles in SVC. Hugo was OK for what he is, but I'd have preferred someone else from SF3 like Yun or Yang where their play style would've been interesting with SVC's system. I thought the roster in NeoGeo Battle Coliseum was far more interesting.
@@YouGuessIGuess yeah, the secret characters really give a different spin to the base roster. SVC Geese is probably the most fun version of Geese ever, and that's even if you don't use his semi-infinite. But everyone apart from Goenitz (even Dan) are fun to use. Goenitz is pretty good in this game, but he's mind-numbingly boring to play outside of MAX mode (and I'm saying this as a Goenitz user).
Justin is a beast, he was all over the first couple days of Evo and even had time to record this with you too. Love seeing this game on modern platforms too it's so cool in spite of some of the naysayers
Yes, it's unfortunately a promising and truly interesting char who was abandoned by Capcom and wasnt even given much space for crossovers. Like, speaking of Capcom it was only Pocket Fighter. Then Capcom Fighting Evolution used other Red Earth chars. So SvC was her last appearance. And actually I get the feeling that the ideal type of game for Tessa, after looking at her moveset, is games like MvC. But sadly Capcom was already a pretty different company by the time of the making of MvC3, much more stacked with famous franchises to use, not leaving room for Red Earth representation.
I hope a weird game like this gets the "old game" slot at EVO sometime. It'd just be fun to see the very best of the best get to show off in their pocket game that most people don't take seriously. This game is...not amazing in a lot of ways and from a lot of angles. But it is super cool and fun despite that! Not ever fighter has to be peak afterall. So few of us have really deeply explored it you know? It'd be a fun showcase.
SvC chaos is a missunderstand master piece if you take in the account that when capcom made CvS they took all snk mechanics and made the game with a vision of capcom on those mechanics, when SNK made the game, they did the same but with capcom mechanics. For example in cvs you play 3vs3 in svcc you play 1on1 (like in capcom games) as well as the bars, the running and the dash, SvC C is SNK's vision of capcom mechanics
Came to check out the channels after seeing the announcement. Btw Zero might seem kinda underwhelming at first glance as he doesn't have anything easily abusable (low damage + very reliant on setplay etc), but take the time and find out why he's banned alongside Geese (the only two characters to be banned btw) He has unblockables in this game via charge 4-6D (summons a cyber elf that crawls on the ground) plus jC and his Exceed is also unblockable (and probably one of the best in the game). He also has an easy infinite via air 623B/D repeat, his zoning via charged buster shot/super is suffocating against characters that don't have answers, he has godlike disjoint buttons (2D, 5A, 5C are the stuff of nightmares), his grab can loop via grab 2B grab, another cyber elf gives A FULL BAR OF METER AND NULLIFIES single hit projectiles (multihitting ones require Zero to block the rest but it doesn't matter since he's probably safe anyway).
I'm buying this right away not only because I never actually got the chance to play this crossover when it was current, but because i"m hoping supporting this now speeds up the process to a CVS2 rerelease or the hypothetical - and increasingly inevitable seeming as time goes on - CVS4
Marspeople is actually the best match for Athena use the explosion to escape the tail dash and lion attack, also don't forget his exceed is crucial and must be use when Athena hits red.
7:30 Athena is NOT top tier, while she is a HUGE knowledge check, pulled straight from the supercombo wiki, "Athena is not OP. She's extremely one note and easy to punish for the most part with an ounce of patience. Just front step most things she does or force her to approach you when you have a life lead, and she crumbles right away." both of the secret bosses have their broken stuff, but EVERYONE does. also, charge moves are weird, due to a bug in the arcade versions (including the steam/modern console ports) where you can't use down-back to charge all moves like it, you have to start with one direction, and go to down-back, so Guile can't do down-back to charge both sonic boom and flash kick,(also pulled from the wiki) If you press downback first, the game will charge neither Sonic Boom or Flash Kick. You have to press either down or back for at least a single frame in order to initiate the charge. its really weird and I don't know how it happened. the older console ports (ps2 and xbox) fixed that bug, thankfully, but you can't really play those versions online without using emulators (yet) sadly.
The SNK sprites are godlike, fun memories all around. While CVS was a better game, SVC wasn’t far behind. It suffered a great deal from a rushed development cycle since SNK was already bankrupt and Eolith was probably responsible for creating the title. I’m hopeful SNK will have another go since they had one more game out of the agreement. However, with all the legal issues in the time since, it’s unlikely the original agreement is still in place but with the crossing over of Terry and Mai into SFVI, I’m hopeful SNK will finally get a chance to make the game. I always preferred the SNK four-button setup over the CAPCOM six-button so let’s hope another SVC comes our way.
I bought the xbox version to not be able to play it on 360, when the xbox one announced backwards compatibility chaos was never added; it's now time for me to finally play this.
As an artist I love the character design here. Capcom is cool but more cartoony. SNK style looks exactly how I’d want the characters to look. The vibe is dark and the characters look mature and serious. Not here to Fck around and be cute just here to whoop asses 😅
Why does anyone that stream this game never plays it the way it’s meant to? Don’t use special until you have level three then they are free. You will go back to 2 bars always. As soon as you get one more bar you will have basically have infinite bar again. Also, guard cancel dash is the way to go and punish throw or worse. Look at the geese infinite. It’s basically a custom combo bar that’s always there Love this game at the arcade. I remember the faces of all the street fighter guys as I beat them because they don’t play snk. Also the animations for dimitris midnight bliss, Athena and arremer. A lot of love webt into this game. Budget and graphics aside
Why does anyone that stream this game never plays it the way it’s meant to? Don’t use special until you have level three then they are free. You will go back to 2 bars always. As soon as you get one more bar you will have basically have infinite bar again. Also, guard cancel dash is the way to go and punish throw or worse. Look at the geese infinite. It’s basically a custom combo bar that’s always there Love this game at the arcade. I remember the faces of all the street fighter guys as I beat them because they don’t play snk.
Because Red Arremer is his original Japanese name, Firebrand is a localization name just like Akuma and Phoenix Wright lol. It's kinda weird that this game is one of the few exceptions where they used the original name instead.
All existed, the only ones not selectable by any means (in the Arcade version), were Serious Mr. Karate, Shin Akuma, Goddess Athena and Red Arremer, the former 2 being added to the AES home port (being a stricter button code than the first 8 hidden characters due to having less timer time to do so) and the latter 2, being unlockable only in the OG Xbox and PS2 ports via beating them in Survival Mode (who you got to fight at the end was random).
@@gamephonics32 Yeah, him (along with Dimitri, Dan and Violent Ken for Capcom, as well as Orochi Iori, Geese, Geonitz & Mars People were in the Arcade version, through holding start and entering a bunch of inputs quickly, the AES version added Shin Akuma and Serious Mr. Karate as codes as well (but the timer has to be on 10 or less to enter their button codes), Princess/Goddess Athena and Red Arremer were only on PS2 and Xbox through beating the Survival Mode and beating one of the 2 at the end, at random.
"It's really neat that every character has their own interaction with every other character."
Yeah, just a shame you can't *_read it because it goes by so fast._*
SVC chaos will never get the respect it deserves but I'm glad more people will finally be able to play it. Long live Guard cancel front step
As a grappler player I am intrigued by this "guard cancel front step" of which you speak.
@brentacomoose its one of the coolest fighting game mechanics of all time imo. I never understood why players luv roll canceling so much from CVS2 but don't love GCFS from SVC Chaos
I just don't think there's much to respect, especially after comparing the game to CvS2...
@carlosaugusto9821 Why compare it to CVS2? CVS2 is a better game but just cause it's better that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing. Half the planet doesn't even know this game exists, the other half who do know it exists say its a bad game cause of the broken characters and cause its not better than CVS2. But every great 2d fighting game has broken shit in it. There are 3 games in the Capcom vs snk series and I guess everyone wants all 3 games to be exactly alike? Why? Roll Canceling in CVS2 is a broken accidental mechanic that everyone loves but Guard Cancel Front Step from SVC Chaos gets hated on by players who never even played SVC chaos and only say its a bad game cause someone else told them it was. But to each his own,play what you like. I'm main Chun li on every game since Super Sf2 turbo and her variation in SVC chaos is one of her best
I respek it
I just saw your segment on evo. You're a natural man, it's good to see you up there!!
My man has become quite the showman!
He was definitely nervous as hell when he was speaking 😅
@@arterisdewberry9467 Those evo nerves man, they put him on the big stage hahaha. He did good! Started off with the trademark "Folks!"
Well that was quick 💀
Despite it‘s flaws, a very underrated game. Oh, and Demitri has got the diagonal dp (after teleport). You can cancel the dash dp into the normal dp.
This looks like a lot of fun. I like that they included Red Earth and had Red Arremer. I'm going to get this and play tessa and red arremer
The sprites in this game look so good, reminds me of metal slug
There's definitely that Metal Slug/N.E.S.T era KOF feel.
I still think this game is a bit too dark for a crossover.
@@emperormegaman3856 I feel like this game would have been better with a bigger budget.
well there was the alien from metal slug inside of the game
@@truindividual yeah, SnK was struggling when they made this game. i wish they had gotten to make one a few years earlier.
@@emperormegaman3856 Yeah there is no way you could make SVC Chaos as it was these days. I definitely respect the vision, but as you said, it's just too dark for marketability purposes. All the characters are dead and stuck in some post apocalyptic limbo, the art style is really cool but also dark (especially for how the Capcom characters are usually illustrated), and some of the character choices would absolutely not be made today. There is no way you could pick Zero over Megaman or X, or the Metal Slug Martians over Marco/Tarma/Fio/Eri, or Demitri over Morrigan.
JM was fire at Evo. Please bring the suit in some of the streams
Svc CHAOS getting rereleased was unexpected
I don't even play fighting games anymore.
But I enjoy this channel to remember the past and see what's new....
Don't change!
Good times hanging out. 🎉🎉
Anybody else like this game?
I do I still have mine on og xbox I'm going to buy this again! Whenever it's released it's not on the store yet.. they said it's out now.. but im more of a physical person!
This game looks absolutely awesome.
@@madatyoutoob I will have a physical release on ps4 and switch.
its fun as fighting game, as a serious competetive game, its ass
I absolutely loved this game. I was ranked top 5 way back when XBox live first came out on the og Xbox.
I love it when you guys play together! Always a treat
Zero, Red Arremer, and Mars People being a playable character made this game stand out for me back in the day. Capcom vs SNK's roster was tame by comparison.
There were some great choices to the SVC lineup, including Demitri and Shiki apart from those you mentioned. But the main roster was also lacking variety (was disappointed Zangief didn't make the cut). Between Ryu and two versions of Ken and Akuma, you literally have 5 shotos. Throw in the semi-shotos like Sagat, Dan, Iori and Orochi Iori, Genjuro, Terry, Demitri and Zero, and there was a severe lack of play styles in SVC. Hugo was OK for what he is, but I'd have preferred someone else from SF3 like Yun or Yang where their play style would've been interesting with SVC's system. I thought the roster in NeoGeo Battle Coliseum was far more interesting.
@@tcchip That's a fair criticism. The base roster is vanilla with a few chocolate chips and the secret characters are a fudge sundae laced with LSD.
@@YouGuessIGuess yeah, the secret characters really give a different spin to the base roster. SVC Geese is probably the most fun version of Geese ever, and that's even if you don't use his semi-infinite. But everyone apart from Goenitz (even Dan) are fun to use. Goenitz is pretty good in this game, but he's mind-numbingly boring to play outside of MAX mode (and I'm saying this as a Goenitz user).
This had the hardest hitting Akuma i ever played with all the best moves. And if no one knows zero is busted 😅
i actually really like this game
Justin is a beast, he was all over the first couple days of Evo and even had time to record this with you too. Love seeing this game on modern platforms too it's so cool in spite of some of the naysayers
Tessa had also been in Pocket Fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if many knew her more for that game than Warzard/Red Earth.
Yes, it's unfortunately a promising and truly interesting char who was abandoned by Capcom and wasnt even given much space for crossovers. Like, speaking of Capcom it was only Pocket Fighter. Then Capcom Fighting Evolution used other Red Earth chars. So SvC was her last appearance.
And actually I get the feeling that the ideal type of game for Tessa, after looking at her moveset, is games like MvC. But sadly Capcom was already a pretty different company by the time of the making of MvC3, much more stacked with famous franchises to use, not leaving room for Red Earth representation.
@@carlosaugusto9821Tessa is definitely one of my most wanted characters for a new MvC on the Capcom side
That Dimitri animations are god like
It looks like jwong is wearing a little hat
Hell yeah dude
16:35 Chun-Li called Tessa's outfit cute yet Chun-Li still wanted to arrest Tessa
She wants to steal the fit
@@nora-yc6fi asset forfeiture super goes crazy
Chun-li is reckless in that game! 🤣
hell yeah SVC Chaos is back!
I hope a weird game like this gets the "old game" slot at EVO sometime.
It'd just be fun to see the very best of the best get to show off in their pocket game that most people don't take seriously.
This game is...not amazing in a lot of ways and from a lot of angles. But it is super cool and fun despite that! Not ever fighter has to be peak afterall.
So few of us have really deeply explored it you know? It'd be a fun showcase.
JMcrofts taking revenge for all the people who attempted Justin's impossible bosses and level 8 CPU challenges.
Congrats for being at Evo btw
SvC chaos is a missunderstand master piece if you take in the account that when capcom made CvS they took all snk mechanics and made the game with a vision of capcom on those mechanics, when SNK made the game, they did the same but with capcom mechanics. For example in cvs you play 3vs3 in svcc you play 1on1 (like in capcom games) as well as the bars, the running and the dash, SvC C is SNK's vision of capcom mechanics
It would've been really funny if in SVC Chaos, SNK made Dan top tier since he's a parody of their characters.
I love snk vs capcom
Came to check out the channels after seeing the announcement. Btw Zero might seem kinda underwhelming at first glance as he doesn't have anything easily abusable (low damage + very reliant on setplay etc), but take the time and find out why he's banned alongside Geese (the only two characters to be banned btw)
He has unblockables in this game via charge 4-6D (summons a cyber elf that crawls on the ground) plus jC and his Exceed is also unblockable (and probably one of the best in the game). He also has an easy infinite via air 623B/D repeat, his zoning via charged buster shot/super is suffocating against characters that don't have answers, he has godlike disjoint buttons (2D, 5A, 5C are the stuff of nightmares), his grab can loop via grab 2B grab, another cyber elf gives A FULL BAR OF METER AND NULLIFIES single hit projectiles (multihitting ones require Zero to block the rest but it doesn't matter since he's probably safe anyway).
I'm buying this right away not only because I never actually got the chance to play this crossover when it was current, but because i"m hoping supporting this now speeds up the process to a CVS2 rerelease or the hypothetical - and increasingly inevitable seeming as time goes on - CVS4
Mars People has the funniest Exceed move. It’s a crashing UFO. 😂
I loved this game, I played it on an emulator with a non mmx pentium 166mhz... it was so dark and different from capcom's vision... it was awesome
Marspeople is actually the best match for Athena use the explosion to escape the tail dash and lion attack, also don't forget his exceed is crucial and must be use when Athena hits red.
This video just did some sort of demonic summoning for the relaunch...
I have been playing this game n original Xbox for almost 20 years. It’s crazy to see everybody else playing it now.
Bro right after they announced this game at EVO with rollback! I am so playing.
Now JM understands the power I felt using Red Arremer.
my two favorite fighting game RUclipss who both have a taste for kuso teaming up. What could go wrong?
Def gotta get this to support the snk and Capcom stuff. Hopefully this is just part 1 to our eventual CVS collection!
7:30 Athena is NOT top tier, while she is a HUGE knowledge check, pulled straight from the supercombo wiki,
"Athena is not OP. She's extremely one note and easy to punish for the most part with an ounce of patience. Just front step most things she does or force her to approach you when you have a life lead, and she crumbles right away."
both of the secret bosses have their broken stuff, but EVERYONE does. also, charge moves are weird, due to a bug in the arcade versions (including the steam/modern console ports) where you can't use down-back to charge all moves like it, you have to start with one direction, and go to down-back, so Guile can't do down-back to charge both sonic boom and flash kick,(also pulled from the wiki) If you press downback first, the game will charge neither Sonic Boom or Flash Kick. You have to press either down or back for at least a single frame in order to initiate the charge. its really weird and I don't know how it happened. the older console ports (ps2 and xbox) fixed that bug, thankfully, but you can't really play those versions online without using emulators (yet) sadly.
nice job on evo my guy. also props for cockatiel screenshot.
U make the best vids bro. Thank u so much
Always enjoy watching you two play weird-ass fighting games.
My favorite jwong thumbnail picture.
SNK with the GOATed sprites and sprite animations
The SNK sprites are godlike, fun memories all around. While CVS was a better game, SVC wasn’t far behind. It suffered a great deal from a rushed development cycle since SNK was already bankrupt and Eolith was probably responsible for creating the title. I’m hopeful SNK will have another go since they had one more game out of the agreement. However, with all the legal issues in the time since, it’s unlikely the original agreement is still in place but with the crossing over of Terry and Mai into SFVI, I’m hopeful SNK will finally get a chance to make the game. I always preferred the SNK four-button setup over the CAPCOM six-button so let’s hope another SVC comes our way.
This game arguably has the best roster of any fighting game.
Terry ma boi...I was hyped to see him come to Smash Bros as well...I'll be interested to see how he does in SF6...love that guy
I love this game. Dan being fun with more Kyokugen moves.
14:06 That was badass
Snk has the best sprite art ever made i swear
My guy went from real state sales agent to Dana White with the evo looks. 😂
I bought the xbox version to not be able to play it on 360, when the xbox one announced backwards compatibility chaos was never added; it's now time for me to finally play this.
I remember playing this on arcade, shin akuma was also cheap cause you could lock your opponent in guard stun the whole round
THE "CB" BY JW WAS 14:07 AWESOME ❤🎉
As an artist I love the character design here. Capcom is cool but more cartoony. SNK style looks exactly how I’d want the characters to look. The vibe is dark and the characters look mature and serious. Not here to Fck around and be cute just here to whoop asses 😅
Mr Wong make JmCrofts feel the true horror.
Dang, you actually jus t convinced me I should buy this collection/game.
watching people get absolutely steamrolled by D-tier Athena will never get old
SNK’s version of Demitri looks awesome.
Lucy from cyberpunk edgerunner is going to be in Guilty Gear which is such a weird guest characters
Why does anyone that stream this game never plays it the way it’s meant to? Don’t use special until you have level three then they are free. You will go back to 2 bars always. As soon as you get one more bar you will have basically have infinite bar again. Also, guard cancel dash is the way to go and punish throw or worse. Look at the geese infinite. It’s basically a custom combo bar that’s always there
Love this game at the arcade. I remember the faces of all the street fighter guys as I beat them because they don’t play snk. Also the animations for dimitris midnight bliss, Athena and arremer. A lot of love webt into this game. Budget and graphics aside
Athena's cockatiel is so cuteeee
What system y'all play on? PLAYSTATION?
Man, 1 minute in real time instead of 99 loooong seconds is a really short match.
Dahl getting jiggy wit it
Tessa also appeared on Super Gem Fighter.
I just brought game and it is so fun like I remember back in the day.
Demitri does have diagonal DP. You have to do the command dash, not the regular one.
Justin actin like he likes this game
Giant Cockatiel Super??? We used to be a propa country
Kensou can't compete on that big cockatiel😅
Folks?
Folks you gonna learn today!
SNK vs Capcom CHAOS is going to be re released for the PS4 & Nintendo Switch! 😀
I love this game ❤
World's greatest kusoge.
JM you da GOAT
Great!
demitri's teleport dash is done with 46+BC, its really weird, I know.
0:42 lol not even a minute in and already there's a projectile going right through someone at close range, this game is JANK
JW is the GOAT
Why does anyone that stream this game never plays it the way it’s meant to? Don’t use special until you have level three then they are free. You will go back to 2 bars always. As soon as you get one more bar you will have basically have infinite bar again. Also, guard cancel dash is the way to go and punish throw or worse. Look at the geese infinite. It’s basically a custom combo bar that’s always there
Love this game at the arcade. I remember the faces of all the street fighter guys as I beat them because they don’t play snk.
Brother had the inside scoop of the rerelease
holy shit TESSA is in this? i heard this game was broken af but i gotta at least see what she's like in this game. best fighting game magic user ever
Hold up.
Where’s my “FOLKS”?
Love SvC Chaos despite it being so weird.
I played this on emulation years back
Yo, would love to se a Akatsuki Blitzkampf tournament in fightcade.
Is that the alien from Metal Slug lol
Yeah, Mars People from Metal Slug is playable
Next Maximillian Dood
watching this to avoid the mk1 stream
voilent ken had to be a fun character in the gme
Am I going crazy I feel like I've seen this video before
is that demon from ghosts and goblins ?
yes thats firebrand
Loved this game back in the day, check out 7:27 Athena pulls her bikini bottoms out from her butt crack lol
when i heard nude place i thought it was nude please 😂
How are you guys rhis quick? My god!
they had it before release and played it, lol. has to be xD
I dunno why they call him red arremer his name is firebrand in his own games like gargoyles quest
Because this one is a generic Red Arremer, the one in Gargoyles Quest and UMvC3 is a specific Red Arremer.
Because Red Arremer is his original Japanese name, Firebrand is a localization name just like Akuma and Phoenix Wright lol.
It's kinda weird that this game is one of the few exceptions where they used the original name instead.
All you need to say is “I beat Justin Wong”. No need to elaborate
Hey @jmcrofts why Jwong always kicks your ass?
As long as i can play as violent ken and mr karate im good
We’re all those characters in the original game?
All existed, the only ones not selectable by any means (in the Arcade version), were Serious Mr. Karate, Shin Akuma, Goddess Athena and Red Arremer, the former 2 being added to the AES home port (being a stricter button code than the first 8 hidden characters due to having less timer time to do so) and the latter 2, being unlockable only in the OG Xbox and PS2 ports via beating them in Survival Mode (who you got to fight at the end was random).
@@AWMonopolyMan that’s pretty crazy. I don’t remember zero being in the game. Just Orochi Iori and violent ken
Maybe I’m thinking of another game
@@gamephonics32 Yeah, him (along with Dimitri, Dan and Violent Ken for Capcom, as well as Orochi Iori, Geese, Geonitz & Mars People were in the Arcade version, through holding start and entering a bunch of inputs quickly, the AES version added Shin Akuma and Serious Mr. Karate as codes as well (but the timer has to be on 10 or less to enter their button codes), Princess/Goddess Athena and Red Arremer were only on PS2 and Xbox through beating the Survival Mode and beating one of the 2 at the end, at random.