Is the Ram Power Wagon Truly Different? We Compare it to a 2500 Big Horn 6.7L Cummins Diesel
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- We take a look at two different versions of the Ram 2500.
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I own a 2020 Power Wagon identical to the one in the video and I just love it. It rides great. Pulls my camper no sweat and the fold down platform that pulls out when you stow away the rear seats is perfect for my dogs. Just a really great truck.
Yup got exaxt same
Note, that the axle height difference is due to different-sized tires. Also, I love Ram pick-ups, but they are now way too expensive to purchase!
Well at least the PW payload is good enough to carry my hockey bag to the ice rink. And a case of beer back home.
My Son bought a 2020 PW and it's just beautiful. He loves it.
I know that you know this, but you kept saying it has a “body lift”, yet the power wagon HAS a proper lift, NOT a body lift. A body lift is simply adding spacers on top of the frame to raise the body above the frame, and yes, it doesn’t add any clearance anywhere except the wheel well.
A proper lift putting bigger springs and changing out the track bars and shocks is what gains articulation and clearance everywhere, except in the pumpkin height which is only affected by tire size. Bigger wheels and tires are just that, you get more height obviously as you add diameter.
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Awesome videos!! And that being sed I just bought a new 2020 PW over a bighorn with the 6.7 thanks in part to your videos helping me decide!!! So thank you so much and keep up the grate work!!
I have a 2016 powerwagon and have had several 2500 rams, i love the ride of the powerwagon, my 2004 deisel rode like a tank, very rough, but could tow just about anything. I dont tow much anymore so would choose the powerwagon.
It's not a body lift, it's a suspension lift. A body lift uses spacers between the frame and the body lifting only the body, this is a suspension lift using taller springs lifting the frame and all the bits that are attached to it. The Power Wagon should come with bigger tires, 35" at least, I know 37" fits without issue. Anyway, STOP CALLING IT A BODY LIFT
Being a Jeep guy, I despise the word body lift...lol.
Your right
Ypu boys worry too much@@IFHSP2
Love the power wagon. It’s my dream truck. I have a 2017 Ram Rebel that like to pretend it’s a mini power wagon. Lol Keep up the great video you guys. Good to see Canadian videos.
The Ram Rebel is in and of itself a really cool truck!
I have a Rebel as well and it doesn't slack. My tow rating is higher than the power wagon with better gas mileage.
Awesome video as usual, I’m ready for the snow test! Just picked up a 2020 pw and I’m in love, can’t wait to take the family out on adventures this summer!
Looking at getting the 2022 PW it’s my dream truck but I don’t do much off roading or towing going to use it as a daily would you recommend it still ?
I have a 2020 PW Olive Green. I love it!!
beauty trucks i love my 17 power wagon Laramie. Great video cant wait to see the video comming with you trailing with it.
I have a 2018 power wagon. You forgot to mention the huge protective cage underneath the PW.
Great video !!!
Finally someone describes the actual differences between these two trucks……
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Great review, very informative.
I love my 2020 PW. Took in through some thick snow and it was like it wasn’t there at all!
The Power Wagon is the off roader while The Big Horn the tower both real nice rigs
Would be fun to add an AEV Prospector to the comparison.
The beautiful blue & red trucks looked really good next to each other.
If you go on rams configurator and take a tradesman crew cab 6'4 bed 4x4 truck with no other options, you can see that the cummins and the powerwagon package are almost the same price, the cummins is about 1k more actually.
The payload is actually so low on the PW as is, and the cummins weighs 700 more than the 6.4 hemi that even if they had the room you'd be left with about 400lbs of payload on a diesel PW which just wouldn't work.
Nice comparison gentlemen! Looking forward to that offroad video with the PowerWagon, and to see if Dad thinks it is just too damn big like the TRX. LOL
Look no further, I got you.
That’s why, I too, love my 2020 Hydro blue Power Wagon 😎
Je viens d acheter un Ram 3500 2021 single wheel big horn mega cab. Noir. Vraiment hâte de l'avoir! J'aime beaucoup vos vidéos.
“Follow up Steve. Cmon let’s go”. Haha 😆 typical dad.
Nice comparison on both 👍🏻🇨🇦
thanks For sharing
Cool content!
I believe the standard ram 2500 comes with a rear helical LSD. the power wagon also has a rear helical LSD when the diff is not locked which is kinda cool!
I presume the Diesel Big Horn actually does have the Anti-Spin rear axle? If so,it would be interesting to test it against the locker in the PW. Great comparison. Thanks guys.
The power wagon rear diff acts as a anti-spin when unlocked. Would be identical
I hope Howard gets a 60s 70s Ford Straight 6 with 3spd colomn n bring it on the show!! I'm hoping n praying King Dad (Howard) Enjoy the day 🌞!! Thanks guys!!😎
My 2020 1500 Ram off road package has the dif lock 🔐 I have the 5.7 Hemi too .
It would be very interesting to take both trucks across a scale and show the axle weights, especially front axle weight. That will explain why Ram doesn't put the Cummins into the powerwagen.
It has already been explained by the engineers why the opt out of the Cummins.
Hi there. Can you please explain more about each truck's front axles? Which of these two trucks actually has the stronger axle? I assume both have a solid front axle?
@@bobby1970 Its not about the strength of their axles, its about how much weight is on them, how bad they will sink into soft ground.
@@gabrielback5615 , okay, now I understand, thanks. It makes sense.
I like the idea of the pay load of 2500 HD over the Power Wagon. If you were to add air bags on the power wagon would the power wagon handle a larger pay load without damage to the truck
I got a power wagon and love it It’ll handle what I carry with it travel trailer cargo in the bed I did install air bags to level truck with trailer just wasn’t enough meat on the ground on the front end Two things that I deal with is the turning radius and gas mileage suck but you have to pay for fun Do you know why the driver headrest is not straight up like the other headrest in the truck thanks
My Cummins with a LSD couldn't get out of freshly mowed grass. Least capable 4x4 I've ever owned. It ate up the highway like a freight train though.
Just waiting for the off road test.
The wheel well gaps don't dictate the largest tire size you can run on these rigs. The bump stops limiting up travel are in the same place on both of these trucks, downward travel is a different story. So what that means is, matter what size tire you are running, the axle will only go up so. I guarantee you can clear 37s on the Diesel with a stock suspension and a +18mm to +27mm offset rim. I'm clearing 37s on my 2019 Power Wagon with a factory suspension. This will require minor pinch weld trim and fender liner trim but in terms of up travel, both rigs have bump stops limiting the axle travel in the same place relative to the top of the fender well.
I just put 37’s on my 2020 power wagon , completely stock. I only rub on the sway bar and radius arms at full lock, didn’t have to trim anything due to staying with stock wheels also.
As per ground clearance - instal 35” tires fit without any mods ;)
37s fit with no mods
Does your dad let you drive his truck :) (looks like you have driven it, but i was laughing at imagining him telling you to get lost even though you're both truck reviewers!) Haha
Dad has a nice truck.
You should specify the weight difference. The Cummings option weights more that a Miata over the PW. Really is a big difference off-road.
The only reason for putting in a diesel would be for more towing, but the limiting factor for the PW is the suspension, not the powertrain. The 6.4 in the PW can haul or tow well beyond the stated capacities just as the normal 2500 with a hemi does. Therefore it’s easy to see why it not offered in the PW. Plus the weight would hinder the off-road performance.
The weight already hinders the truck. Anything heavier would limit it even more.
I do like the 🖤 Black front end on Power Wagon.. I'd rather have Howard's Truck!!..it seems more better slightly than Power Wagon!!😎
Big horn all the way! Great video.
Like the compare, would have been nice to talk more specifics on tire diameter and other physical/mechanical differences. Video felt a bit lite on useful details, but did provide some perspective. It still shocks me how low the power wagon payload numbers are it feels more like an off-roading toy then useful truck.
I like how dad’s mustache matches the power wagon’s grille.
Thanks for noticing!
They really need 35's on the pw. Having to buy them after mkt is just bogus!
I would like to know witch one would be better to travel 400 miles every weekend, as I am definitely getting one of these but still wanting to pick up my daughter during the weekends
I’ve got a big horn lvl 2 sport
I just added an aftermarket suspension
It’s like a power wagon now lol but with more
towing and payload
Still not like a Power wagon. Need a lot more than a suspension.
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The original PW wheels you pictured look tough, and would like to use ones like them on mine with descent tires for better grip and to get that pumpkin higher off the ground. The lockers and the extra flex kept the low end power planted and gave us confidence to try more challenging Jeep trails all around Ouray, CO last year. Only wish it had a tighter turn in with the lockers on 4 low.
Turn lockers off, if you want to turn. You only need the lockers for the major obstacles.
Are those even the same rear ends? Also, from my exp and how wheel wells are shaped nowadays, tire size is usually limited my clearance to the front of the fender and to firewall, not the vertical clearance above the tire.
While no longer in the market it has always seemed like they missed the mark not putting the diesel in it as i would have loved the lockers out in the oil patch
would love to see a 3500 of road gas and diesel
The 1 fault my 2016 Power Wagon has is that the axles will not lock unless you are in 4-low and under 19 mph.
Look up Abel Components. He has a solution for you. For the lockers and the swaybar. I can turn them on and off whenever I want on my '13 after installing his overrides..
I've got a 2017 PowerWagon and never go back. It is disappointing no Diesel engine and manual transmission option. Thinking about looking for a 05-09 PowerWagon with a manual transmission.
You can have the $10k diesel with all of the complexities and cost of the aftertreatment system, but you do get an extra 4 mpg or so, so that's cool I guess. I make a very good 6 figure living off of working on them 😎 And a manual ? How does a guy hold his beer while trying to off-road ? jk
More side wall on the tire is great for off road not handling or towing on road. More sway. Same for more lift. Steal rims haul more weight than aluminum rims. Off road tires are normally softer compound lower load rating. Lower air pressure. Some owners are adding air bags on their power wagons to gain payload for in bed campers or 5th wheel camper. 35's fit on a stock power wagon. I tow a 10,000lbs toy hauler with my 15 AEV power wagon. It tows great on road and even better off road in soft dune and beach sand with the lockers. The main computer mapping on a power wagon are differant than a Big Horn. Diesel engines weigh twice what a gas engine weighs. Power wagon has more power to weight. Diesel engines are low rpm high torque. Gas is high rpm normally more horsepower and a broader torque and power range Gas trucks have more payload than diesel. You may run out of payload not reaching your top trailer weight. ruclips.net/video/mT5qIpjID5Y/видео.html ruclips.net/video/sKwCV6_5OiA/видео.html
It's a real shame they don't make a Power Wagon in a 3500 truck. Maybe someday eventually they will?
My only complaint on the power wagon is the center console. I wish they offered a full console instead of the flip up.
They do on the new 2021 ones
Called it a body lift is a slap in the face to what the PW actually is
He measured the ground clearance of the differentials, like that has anything to do with the lift on the truck.
Honestly I want them both, but I appreciated the articulation test. It really shows what the Power Wagon can do for an HD truck!
I agree but I want the g56 option back in the diesel
@@jonchase7752 Agreed!
Ram fix the cam/lifter problems yet. ?
Good question. I'd like to know that myself. If you find out, I'd appreciate if you'd let me know, thanks.
Excellent comparison.
Glad you enjoyed it
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Ironically is seems most dealers order there PW's with the PW badging delete.
I ordered mine with the decal delete. It's not a sleeper, by any means, but I think it looks better without. Especially with the lower body black paint option. Opinions vary.
Do the Tremor vs the Power Wagon, these are way different buyers, if your pulling you have to skip the power wagon...
If you towing, Tremor. I have yet to see a Tremor do what my Stock Wagon did in Moab.
7.5 inches vs 8 ish inches... lol i have small tacoma and my differential sitting close to 10 inches after i put 265 70 r17 tires...
i choose power wagon with cummins engine...:) btw both are awesome no questions...
Was that a Power Wagon shirt that I saw under the jacket? If so, I NEED to know where I can get one!
I got it on a press trip yeas ago - try Mopar.
You can buy one at most dodge dealerships. Expect to pay upward of 60 $ US.
Stop calling it a body lift. Body lift is added space between the body and frame. PW has suspension lift: taller springs and shocks.
Its the winch that stops the power wagon from getting a diesel
Power wagon might got more off road stuff but diesel go BRAAAAAAA
I'd buy a regular 3/4 ton 4x4 base model regular cab pickup without a diesel engine....I tow occasionally and haul occasionally where a smaller truck won't do the job, but I don't do it often enough to justify the ridiculous upcharge for a diesel engine.
As cool as the Power Wagon is, 99% of the features it has 99% of people will never use any of them they buy them for status symbols. The Power Wagon also has a much lower payload/towing capacity because of all those add-on features.
Looking to get a 2500 for towing a 9000lbs rv around the US and I am having a hard time figuring out which one I want gas or diesel
Definitely diesel for towing .
Neither of them have enough ground clearance stock. Something I've noticed from all brands of full size truck since about 2007 or so. The bodies are getting bigger and closer to the ground. Not what a work vehicle needs
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I would rather have a Power Wagon Diesel 😉
3.0 ecodiesel since there is no payload or towing capacity for 6.7 Cummings. At least to get some decent mpg.
@@zelenizub2036 My wife has a 2018 Ram 2500 4wd 6.7L like Steve's Dad's truck. But I would buy in a heartbeat the Pwerwagon with the gen 3 Ecodiesel. I currently have a 2016 Ram 1500 4wd 3.92 ratio gen 2 Ecodiesel.
With a Flowmaster 50 series HD muffler and a Bank's silencer delete tube. The off throttle response is really good. I don't do burn outs. But I get very good acceleration on a 12% grade freeway onramp @4,000ft of elevation. With 33" tires, the fuel economy is better than my 2020 Dodge Durango GT AWD by 5 mpg @ 70mph.
And with the 4.10 ratio of the Powerwagon. 35" or 37" tires would still have reasonably good acceleration. And if I need to haul something really heavy. I just go rent a Freightliner or Kenworth of the appropriate size.
@@zelenizub2036 WTF is a Cummings?
That power wagon looks like it’s on stilts with those little tires. 💩 You should have kept talking when you guys showed your fathers truck sticker. It would have made for a more authentic/professional video. But y’all are getting there! Great job overall guys.
I like the Power Wagon, I just wish it had 2,000 pounds of payload instead of 1,200 pounds of payload. It is why I crossed it off my list and why I'm looking at the Titan XD Pro4x instead.
Edit to add: I wonder if the Cummins ISV would fit in the PowerWagon and if RAM could get better power and fuel economy out of it than Nissan did.
The payload issue comes from the options, and ram literally just taking 15% of the payload. Lower spec trucks have substantially more payload
@@Rommer2258 True, but the highest the payload gets on the PowerWagon is 1500, roughly.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt the 5th gens reduced it quite a bit, the 4th gens with little options would take it to 1860
@@Rommer2258 Thanks, you have kept up with the payload ratings better than me. I want to go overlanding, but I need a truck that can tow 10,000 pounds, which means 1,000 tongue weight, add wife, kids, pets, gear and it easily exceeds 1200-1500 of payload. So my choices are limited. Sad thing is a 79-series Land Cruiser is within an inch or so dimensionally of a Gladiator, but the 79-series has 2200 pound payload. Too bad we can't get those in the U.S.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt Ford F-250 Tremor.
the low payload is the only thing I really don't like about the PW
Bring back the 5.9 Cummins and put it in the 1500 and powerwagon
what gas mileage we're you guys getting with the PW?
@@theinternet4236 that's actually really good. I was expecting way worse
Ya not a body lift only way to lift the pumpkin is larger tires! Body lift or suspension lift doesnt matter on the diff.
2018 RAM 6.7L
$43000
$4000 from Thuren Fab
$3000 wheels/tires
$50k Cummins Wagon
I'd like to have those diffs tho
I've got all the thuren parts on mine, king 3.0s and the works. The diffs make the truck, the weight of the cummins is something entirely different in the dirt. They do good, but the hemi skips by them
@@Rommer2258 No doubt, I just kid. I do way more pulling that off-roading. My truck is fun in the dirt, but I'm still careful where I take it haha.
1 year ago I would have preferred the Power Wagon, but a 2500 Diesel would be my choice. Why? Diesel, towing power. But, let me ask you this. What if the Power Wagon had a Diesel option and you put Air Bags in the back to increase the Tow Capacity?
CAVOK, air bags donot increase tow capacity, they increase stability only, remember in theory if you are specked to tow 12k lets say air bags donot allow u to exceed 12k as the weight of your load is still going onto your axle bearings.
@@panthermartin7784 ok good to know. I know, from a legal perspective it wouldn't change the numbers.
Also, both those trucks are 2500's. The difference is the suspension. Obviously, the Power Wagon is much softer. So, wouldnt stiffening the suspension increase the weight/tow capacity, unofficially? I mean, I would think the bearings would be the same in each truck, no?
Mpg?
I think the Power Wagon is really cool, but I go into urban environments often enough where I wouldn’t want to live with one. Also the closest trail to my house is really narrow in some places.
Which is why I kept my Toyota Tacoma as a 2nd vehicle!
@@jmiller3v Nice!
I love the powerwagon, but I would really struggle to buy one knowing that the 6.4 Hemi has the possibility of cam/lifter issues. Do we know the % of engines that get bit by the Hemi tick issue? (I have heard it is around 5% but I have no stats to support that)
I’m curious as well
The tick comes from the typical hemi motor, the lifter issue is completely different item, mostly common on 5.7s when people skip service intervals. The 6.4 isn't as common. The real end all be all. Hemi motors make a special noise that scared most GM & Ford guys. The cam failure is a user created issue.
Had a 19 2500 6.4 4x4 it was complete junk. Typical fiat. It's sad how much quality has dropped. Fiat peugeot combined is a disaster in the making. Great looking truck but nothing but issues. Mds is killing the engines along with quality control or lack there of
@@paulkruger2310 what was wrong with it?
@@Rommer2258 drag links came loose and popped over bumps at 4k. Truck bucked and surged at low speeds and when coming to a stop the rear end clunked hard. Dash rattled and carpet was falling down by the gas pedal. The bed rattled and was not aligned with the cab. Mds kicked it at low speeds and didn't want to kick out of it and vibrated the whole truck and when it came on going 75 to 80mph the truck droned real loud. Driver seat springs broke twice. Window controls on driver side became loose. Engine tapped loud on cold starts sometimes. Center caps kept falling off and dealer kept replacing them. Endless issues. All happened with less than 10k miles.
I wish I could afford the POWER WAGON. I couldn't cover the fuel costs.
Ram also offers a free graphics delete in case you don't like it.
Why don’t you compare an off road package to the power wagon, it has the hill decent and bilstein shocks
The new lifted truck wheels looks way to small for their openings !but its still fixable and a beautiful truck ! Your father truck is older but cleaner inside and out than the new truck , your pops got the better one carry more pull more ,90% of peoples who own lifted truck use it off roading a week per year some other never !
Wish they'd make the power wagon with a Cummins instead of Gas.
Clearance? My wife's subaru has +9" of Clearance. Who would have thunkest?🤔
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Lol I just noticed that 6.4 is smaller than my engine but makes less power.
Well they trashed the new diesels with all the emissions junk which is why I am still driving my 04. If I was given a new diesel I would sell it and buy an old diesel. It really that bad to own a new diesel in all models.
Put the Power Wagon up against the TRX off-roading
I'd like to see the Power Wagon compared to the Ford F350 Tremor with 6.7 diesel.
How can Ford put diesel in their off road truck and Ram cannot. Plus the payload on the Ford Tremor is over double the Power Wagon! I like the Power Wagon but am leaning to the Ford Tremor.
@@mrhuntmasterable I have seen the ford tremor with 6.7 diesel up against the power wagon and it's helpless if you buy a diesel ram it is just as capable what I would like to see how the tremor does with a gas engine
The tremor is a capable off road truck but it does not have the capability of the powerwagon off road in terms of suspension articulation due to no disconnecting sway bar and no locking front diff.
@@mrhuntmasterable I have yet to see a Tremor do what my stock Wagon did. Better tow truck, no doubt.
The differential doesn't get raised up with a lift, dude.
So A standard double cab Tundra Has more payload than a Power Wagon? Well then...
Power wagon should have a diesel cat engine and a 410 rear end
And, a hydraulic dump bed!
I’d get a clone of Dad’s!!