Watch before you buy a washer - New Government Rules Less Water High Efficiency HE
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2023
- High efficiency, using too little water? HE washing machine  something I use not enough water, here’s some real reviews that everything need to know by real owners with not enough water to clean the clothes problems.
Some manufacturers are saying Bidens new rule would make Americans dirtier, stinkier: manufacturer say.
/Department of Energy last month have sparked concern from some manufacturers and trade associations that fear the new machines could be less effective and more costly for U.S. consumers.
The Department of Energy said the new efficiency standards, which seek to reduce emissions from both washing machines, will save consumers an estimated $3.5 billion annually on energy and water bills. U.S. households will save an estimated $425 in utility bills over the lifespan of the appliances, DOE said.
But I found that they’re assuming these machines will last for 14 years with no maintenance calls, and no replacement cost. I’m not sure where they’re getting their information from but these machines are not lasting that long, especially without expensive appliance repair man maintaining and repairing them.
The Department of Energy said the new efficiency standards, which seek to reduce emissions from both washing machines and refrigerators, will save consumers an estimated $3.5 billion annually on energy and water bills. U.S. households will save an estimated $425 in utility bills over the lifespan of the appliances, DOE said.
But they are not taking into account that these machines aren’t able to do regular size loads and if you’re washing three loads instead of one, you will not save any water or power. 
New DOE efficiency rules could make washing machines more costly and less effective, manufacturers warn.
This is because the technologies to go into the efficiency machines are more expensive and the parts that are in the more expensive when they break. The idea that they will save money in the long run they not be true at all. In fact, I would guess it will be the exact opposite 
Households using new refrigerators and clothes washers will save an estimated $425 on their utility bill over the average life of the appliance with these standards in place is what they are saying, but the reality is, there’s more to the equation than just utility bills. If the appliances cost twice as much and last 1/5 the time you will get more water used and more plastics in the landfills. I know that a lot of people think that appliances are a perfect recycled machine, but they have a lot of plastics and you have to separate them from the metals, this leads to plastics being recycled which recently we have all learned is not as green as we thought. 
Even if we could perfectly recycle him, you still have to account for the energy it takes to get the metal out the ground and produce the plastics the factories it takes to run to make the machines and the delivery and other vehicles that will have to run the roads and pollute just to produce machines that are disposable unlike the machines that were previously made that lasted over 30 years with little maintenance and inexpensive parts. 
New washing machine efficiency standards proposed by the Biden administration last month have sparked concern from some manufacturers and trade associations that fear the new machines could be less effective and more costly for U.S. consumers.
And let me tell you it’s not just the manufacturers that have doubts the Appliance Repair guys including me. Don’t think it could work. There are new technologies coming out every day, and we should find and support them, but just put in a blanket rule of figure it out less water… Good luck can’t be the answer because they are real people running these washers and dryers that need them.
The mom with a tight budget using reusable, washable, diapers or the grandmother that can’t figure out why her clothes are still dry after they go to the washer. Frankly, I’m not sure why that would work either. Not all washers have this problem, but we are moving towards the high-efficiency ones that do, and before we regulate our self into a corner, we should really think about what a good solution Could look like. A real solution not just a blanket less water rule. 
0:01 department of energy high-efficiency washer intro 
0:41 whirlpool, high-efficiency washer, clothes, smell,
1:02 dry spots, not getting clothes wet enough
1:23 Not fully submerge Deep cycle 
1:58 honest review of high-efficiency washer
2:27 trick to getting Washer to fill up with water
3:27 forced to wash multiple loads, wasting water
3:55 extremely long wash, cycles
4:13 reusable, washable, cloth diapers versus disposable
5:00 agitator vs impeller low profile, agitator
5:26 top loads vs front loads
6:01 DOE lowering water, level, and heat
6:15 professional opinion, as a appliance repairman 


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Call me crazy, but I really think there should be some sort of antitrust suit against the DOE and you may ask how does antitrust have anything to do with water and energy restrictions? Simple answer, MONOPOLY. Sure, it’s not a monopoly in a sense one company/entity is making appliances but a monopoly on choice since no matter the make or model, there’s not really a choice despite the manufacturer. Simply not allowing people to have what they want is being monopolistic.
Yeah, that’s why they make it impossible to sue the government politicians and police. Qualified immunity.
Ughhhhh Ikr I am having this problem. Also I have a whirlpool and I have four kids so I have to wash a lot of clothes and sometimes when I add water the water doesn’t go out so my clothes are still wet. It’s so frustrating and then I had to take them to the laundromat because I can’t put them in my regular dryer.
I've had my current washer about 5 years. My previous and current ones were/are kenmores top loaders. The previous one was really great. The current one is junk. It never gets hot water, just cold, cool, and sometimes warm. If you select hot, it starts hot and purposely starts mixing in cold so it can never get hot. Also, one of my biggest beefs, it locks the lid so you cant easily add/adjust things. So dumb. It has the damper-rod suspension which gives out, of course. I just want them to make washers like 30+ years ago. So much better.
In 2 words: Speed Queen.
Thanks for sharing, a friend of mine a few years ago was telling me when 1st started the save energy. He was saying they’re changing motor size from 1/2 horsepower electric motors to 1/8 horsepower and the issue was the motor would work harder therefore using more electricity and not lasting as long. I don’t know what lawmakers are thinking obviously they’re not engineers
Yeah, it’s just the government pretending to know how to solve problems.
I've went back to an older washing machine I bought used for 125.00. I'll never own another water saver machine! Piece of crap machines.
Older machines you can also adjust how much water is put into them just by adjusting the water level knob
I’m saying this with all seriousness, but it’s getting to the point people might as well wash clothes by hand.
I’m sure that’s where this is eventually going to lead to. Every couple years they lower the amount of water we’re allowed to use. Where does it stop?
2050 washers are moving from one drop water to half a drop. Lol
Stinkin’ communism ruins everything! Will be like Russia in just a few more years.
EXCELLENT POINTS! The government and washer designers needs to see this!!
Thanks
As Ronald Reagan said: "the 9 most terrifying words you can hear > I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"😮
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This is great for appliance flippers who still refurbish and sell older models. Great selling point! The old Kenmore TL washers are the best!
Very true
@@WasherDryerMoney I got started in the appliance repair and flipping game about a year and a half ago. Your videos and Ben's Appliances and Junk Channel got me started and taught me so much. I'm currently reviewing for the Master Samurai Core Course final! Thank you so much for your content!
How would I find flipped washer/dryers to buy?
I'll just keep my Lady Kenmore Series 90 (made by Whirlpool) set. Easy to use, washes things quickly, and super easy to work on in the rare occasion it needs something. I go through a lot of laundry in a week, and some of it is very dirty, I don't have time to fiddle around deciding what the washer feels like doing. It's ridiculous the garbage they sell these days.
The Hobo Caddy in Happy Gilmore. He washed his clothes in the gold ball washer. Maybe he was on to something?
Lol
I’ll do what I can to keep our nearly 20 year old Estate washer and dryer running. Just rebuilt our dryer; new motor, blower wheel, belt, idler pulley, drum rollers, and door switch. Completely disassembled and cleaned it. Cleaned the vent pipe. Repainted the top, which had started to rust. The washing machine has been bulletproof; only had to replace the agitator “dogs” a few years ago. No need to pay for a repairman to come out; I watched RUclips videos, many of them yours, to see how things worked. Did the repairs myself. A few $$$ here and there is a small price to pay for machines that actually work.
Well, played.
Definitely keep the old ones going. Everything coming off the assembly line now is garbage.
Great job. I call those the 'dogs of war' :) Cheap plastic but at least simple to replace. They should put that stuff in the manual since its so common.
Thanks for sharing, Gabe!
Thanks hope you like the video.
My LG front load washer with recirculation jets thoroughly wet and washes literally everything I’ve ever thrown into it. Even nasty garage rags on a 15 min quick cycle- they’ll come out so clean. It’s wind! After years of HE top loads that could barely wet a paper bag I’m SO glad I got a nice FL washer
I'm washing 6 small patio chair covers only and I've had to wash my them 4 times and they are still dirty.
Sad
The only HE top load washers that actually work are the Whirlpool Calypso, Maytag Neptune TL, Fisher&Paykel AquaSmart and most LG models.
That may be true for now, but they are lowering the amount of water all washers will be able to use in the US.
And whirlpools already made a statement saying they do not believe they can make dependable machines that can clean clothes using much less water than they are currently allowed to use.
@@WasherDryerMoney I feel like it won't be long before I start telling everyone to spend $6K-$10K on a Dexter T-400 Hardmount Washer Extractor. Yes I am aware that I have to pour a 4" Concrete pad. It's a crapload of work just to get properly clean clothes. Is this stupid regulation also effecting Industrial washers as well or only home use washers?
Adding a recirculating valve that takes the water from the bottom and pumps it to the top ,pours water in while washing .
Some models do recirculate, especially during the wash cycle.
Is this also affecting new Speed Queen models using the old school design of agitators?
Yes, across-the-board they are proposing lowering the water level again.
It’s not just it’s not just clothes washers. Dishwasher is refrigerators and stoves are all getting cut back for power and water. Even if it means you’ll have to do multiple smaller loads or your clothes come out dirty
I found a way to get more water to the Lg HE Washer if I put “deep clean” and smaller loads. When I bring this up to a family member though, doesn’t believe me and I look at their clothes and see how the clothes barely get covered in water. It’s triggered my contamination phobia really bad -I can’t explain this to them or I’ll just look crazy-which I am. But unfortunately this video just confirms my paranoia haha
I didn’t know they were bastardizing the top load machines. Granny should use a short hose from the laundry tub fawcet to fill her machine. Hot!! OK so I found your channel doing a search “deep clean washing machine’ because someone gave me a used one which needs the deep clean, probably take the top and the drum out, scrub that outside, and scrub the tub and all the parts. OY! So how do I get the water softner dispenser off the Kenmore 200? It won’t pull up and turns but does not unscrew. this thing has never been cleaned!
Hack- we are going to get a hose hooked up next to the washer and we've disabled the lid so that we can open it and fill the damn thing I am murderously livid about what they have done to us I am too old to be dragging huge buckets of water from my bathroom my back hurts terribly and it still didn't get clean- the wash cycle doesn't work and the rinse cycle is a joke ‼️it doesn't use water‼️ how dare them. Listen many times people have wanted to go green many times they shouted out to the government to handle things but they never do jack and then they take action and hit the little guy... Not a good government
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This video should be watched to the end. Leave it to the bureaucrats to worsen the the problem ten fold with their " solutions". The same situation with small engines with their "solutions". Been going on for years but now it is really bad. In my area it is a rare day that you do not see a newer front load washer on face book or on the curb for free, along with mowers weed trimmers etc. All these wasted resources filling the land fills. not to mention the oil & gas that in the small engines seeping into the landfills.
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Thanks Joe. I appreciate it,
You're welcome. Being part of the YT creator community I try to support others as much as I can.@@WasherDryerMoney
Can we programmatically override the amount of water that gets put in?
When there’s a will, there’s a way, but it’s not as easy as it used to be with adjusting the water level gauge of a screwdriver.
So how do we adjust the water level gauge on the new ones then? I have a Samsung Smart care VRT HE model WA52M7750A@@WasherDryerMoney
Well, if the sale of all top loaders (new and used) were made illegal and all new dryers had to be heat pumps, that would be a start. Any attempt to add water to washing machines should immediately brick it. Think of it. Heat pump dryers will run more efficiently, and will lead to tighter, more energy efficient homes. Heat pumps should also be mandatory for all replacement heating systems, including in cold climates. There aren't neatly as many cold days as was the case in previous years. For those who complain about costs, if the market for efficient machines increases, the per unit cost will decrease. From an environmental standpoint, we survived the elimination of phosphates from detergents. We will survive this
Next, there needs to be a mandate that all appliances slated for replacement must be recycled and not placed in landfills. Then, the price of almonds need to be hiked by 500% due to their heavy water usage. Water usage by agriculture really needs to be reduced drastically. The drought out west is proof of that.
Ideally, people will need to pay more food in order to save the planet
Dictator much? Move to North Korea please.
The Sniffer needs to go ! 👉
I hear there’s another election coming up.
@@WasherDryerMoney yeah... if we don't get nuked first.
😂 yes
So… definitely need to understand how these deals work lol and by work I mean wash. Water pressure is also a huge factor
Yeah, it would be one thing if they figured out ways to make washers, use less water and wash clothes better but that is not the case.
Honestly it’s definitely user error I think on most top load washers but maybe one. And even that ONE uses the water you don’t see under the basket and forces it up (jets it up) through the clothes. I’m definitely not going to be first in line to buy a new top load washer. But there are definitely some die hard top load washer users that don’t have any issues. The problem most people have is exactly like the video you see where they just throw there clothes in the washer and hit play. There are all kinds of variable, the sales floor could definitely do better at educating
@@mauricelinton5867 yeah I see the bigger problem being using less water and forcing people to do several loans that doesn’t save water in the end. That just makes the companies meet the quota for government regulations. If it uses half the water but you can only do half the size load you used to be able to do you save nothing in fact, you use more power.
We need something like what you were talking about a new way of doing it all together not just lowering the water every couple years.
@@WasherDryerMoney I’m pretty sure GE is on top to be honest with their newest top load washer release. You have to get the most upgraded version of course, and that’s something else most people don’t know. You can purchase a whirlpool washer with a recirculating pump, which sprays the clothes “wets them more effectively”. But most people get the basic model. Its lack of education or know.
@@mauricelinton5867 i’ll have to check out the GE new stuff. I’m actually a fan of GE I think they’re better than anything whirlpool, or any of it sub brands are putting out.
Hey, similar to whirlpool VMW but they solve several of the common fail points.
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