Thank you for all of your constructive feedbacks and engaging arguments which I appreciate. Placing the boar boys in that particular tier was a deliberate decision, knowing it would likely spark heated disagreement and provoke controversial discussion. However, I stand by my choice because this tier list is rooted in my personal experiences with the unit, which is what is video is based upon. If I just put up a tier list based on the consensus of the majority and just want approval from others on the net then the tier list is a bit pointless in my opinion. While I understand the points you've raised regarding the boar boys, my decision to rank them lower is influenced by their role within the broader army composition and not solely by their individual performance. Unlike many other armies that have access to strength 5 heavy cavalry units in their CORE choices, like chaos knights in warrior list, knight errants in Bretonnia list, empire knight in empire list, silver helms in high elves. The boar boys are confined to the special choice category, which greatly impacts my army-building decisions, since it takes up valuable points that could be allocated elsewhere. I feel like once I have invested 25% of my army in the CORE, there is a need to take other units that fulfil various roles and functions within my Orcs & Goblins army and I insist that boar boys do not align well with this need. When I review the boar boys, I compare them not only with other special O&G units in the list but also with special choices and heavy cavalry options from other armies. Furthermore, I have highlighted in my O&G arcane journal video that the boar boys are fantastic in the Nomadic Waaagh army where they can be taken as CORE units. This underscores the significance of army composition in evaluating the effectiveness of units like boar boys. That’s my opinion, not expect everyone else to agree.
Please read my pinned comment where I elaborated a bit more, I think boar boy is bad in an o&g army because it is struck in the special category, special category is where I take units to handle other greater threats on the table. Boar boys are great in nomadic waaagh army as I have mentioned in my arcane journal video.
@@Nubloot and as O&G can have enough good core troops choices to full the needed points, there are more than enough points in the elite slot to take the boar boys. I think they would be S-tier in core, but are still amazing good for their points, especially when they charge!
Some corrections: - Giants do come with armour, although it is only light. Better than nothing though - Black orc bigbosses can not ride a wyvern, only warbosses (Character mount entry on p19 of Ravening Hordes)
You are fundamentally wrong in how you think about our green boys. If we wanted to have good value or stats, then we would play elves. No we are in the game for 3 things! To charge, to smash things and to charge! Boar boys, pumpwagon's en mass, is coming and it is going to be glorious.
Black Orcs are insanely good, if you mix them up right and manage to take out the right models in the right order. So you can always roll on 3+ armour, but still have lots of two-handed attacks. Good damage output, especially on the carge, very good armour saves, great morale, being able to make units go arounf impetious are all very good for the points. not chep, but tough and very good damage output. Only downside is that you have to take a black orc boss, but you normally do anyway and then you can make them core, that make them even better!
About orc bosses. Yes they are obviously inferior. but BO have black orc tax. If you do not want or have points to put two units of Black orcs in the list orc warboss is still good choice for say BSB.
Boar boyz look cool and I like to bring them in place of orc boyz as a shock unit. A unit of black orcs and a unit of big uns makes up the core if you have a black orc war boss.
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Nah, Boar Boyz aren´t that bad.. Furious Charge helps as does the Turker Charge. I don´t rate the Rock Lobbaas highly anymore.. But it is not horrible. The Doom Diver feels pointless though 20p for the same shit and a minor thing to re-direct? No thanks..!
The artillery dice has 6 sides, misfire, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. A rock lobber has 33% chance to get a direct HIT. on the other hand, a doom diver can re-direct D3 inches. if you roll 2 inches, you increase the direct hit chance to 44%. if you roll 3 inches, you increase the direct hit chance to 44-55% depending on the target's base size.
@@AllOutWarAu Yeah, glad you editted because that was real off.. Not really.. You me be so far off you barely re-direct to anything useful. Hardly worth 20p for that small template. it is also seriously boring and lame making the Doom Diver now basically a Rock lobba. Much better when it was a point and gave D6 hits. Then it was different and had a different use. it´s not worth the points now when bases got bigger. Rock Lobbas are bordering useless.
Love the videos and I agree with a lot of it but I'm very surprised to see boar boyz in D tier. I think you are going to be seeing a lot of them on the field.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I think weapon skill 3 is a big problem for boar boys, it becomes a hit or miss unit depending on how lucky you are at the time. The "new" boar boys with impact hit in the arcane journal are more usable, in my opinion. Pushing them to tier 3 or higher.
You need to put them on the table. Your assessment is flat out wrong. Yes they are WS but they are putting out twice as many hits as other cav units in their points bracket and they have the choppa rule which ensures they are wounding most things. I will take 11 attacks at WS 3 over 6 attacks at Ws4 and day of the week. Plus their mounts aren’t just horses they actually hit hard on the charge. They are one of the best units in the book.
@@plaugedon3 thank you for your constructive feedback and argument which I appreciate. I placed the boar boys in that particular tier was a deliberate decision, knowing it would likely spark intense disagreement and provoke controversial discussion. However, I stand by my choice because this tier list is rooted in my personal experiences with the unit, which is what this video is based upon. If I just put up a tier list based on the consensus of the majority and just want approval from others on the net then the tier list is a bit pointless in my opinion. While I understand the points you've raised. My decision to rank them lower is influenced by is influenced by their role within the broader army composition, not solely on their individual performance. Unlike many other armies that have access to strength 5 heavy cavalry units in their core choices, like chaos knights in warrior list, knight errants in bretonnia list, empire knight in empire list, silver helms in high elves. The issue I have with boar boys is that they are confined to the special choice category, which consumes valuable points that could be allocated elsewhere. I feel like once I have invested 25% of my army in core, I will need to take other units to fulfil other roles and functions that my O&G army needs, and I insist that boar boys do not align with this need. Furthermore, I have highlighted that in my O&G arcane journal, the boar boys are fantastic in the Nomadic Waaagh army where they can be taken as core units. This underscores the significance of army composition in evaluating the effectiveness of units like boar boys. That's my opinion, not expect to change everyone else's.
@@AllOutWarAu Of course everything is opinion and just for the sake of civility and since their is no tone in internet posts everything I am pointing out is for the sake of discussion not nerd internet rage. A few things about your reply, your video and previous to this post you only addressed their WS as the issue holding them back and that was the point I addressed, If you look at maths, being not subjective you will see boar boys outclass any other cavalry unit that isnt nearly 30 points or more in the game. Knights errants, silver helms, cold one knights, empire knights will not outpoint their damage even with higher WS an costing more points. The big balancing factor against this is that you have impetous. In a grand army list its quite easy to have a mounted black orc character running near your chariots and cav to keep them in check. In nomadic waaagh you can stop this with one unit with the thinking hat. Otherwise you are stuck not controlling them. I would argue the unit is worse in a nomadic waagh. As for the force compositon they are in special. Are we really running out of special points in a grand list? I would be haaaaaaard pressed to spend 1k points in a grand alliance list. There's no way you are so busy taking trolls, chariots, and squiq hoppers that you cant fit around 150 points for what boar boys give you. As for their roll, they are the only shock cavalry unit in the list. This edition, monsters and cavalry are really really good. To say they arent filling a role that is needed to me is ignoring what actually works in this edition. They also have the benefit over every other cavalry in their class in this role by having spears instead of lances. So when you smash into a unit and make it fall back in good order you can use those spear continually until they break them, other units with lances will not be able to use them again in subsequent rounds of the same combat even if they count as charging. Its one of the few swiftstriding units in the book and it offensively is a power house for the points you pay. Charging is so important this edition you just can't say that doesnt fit a role. O&G want to charge badly, aside from a wyvern and goblin units we don't have anything with swiftstride. They are very important to the composition of a good army. I know personal records that are unverifiable comes across douchy in a youtube comment but for what its worth ive played over 20 games with orcs and goblins, using most of the book so far. Ive drawn a few but the only game I lost in all of that was to the guy who got the highest battle score at adepticon in that tournament with double star dragons (the guy who won overall had boar boys in the list btw)
I was most looking forward to Orcs over all other Factions in this new edition. And I can not stress loudly enough how disappointed I am with the models they've given us. Absolute shite.
A lot of Orc STLs available for printing are absolutely stunning and should be much cheaper than GW old and ugly plastics, whether you have them printed or buy a printer yourself.
Just plain hilarious. I've taken everything in tier 4 including two snotlings pump wagons. Smashed my opponent quiet nicely. I think you miss the fact that the good stuff costs more and you can do less overall. There is opportunity costs for taking fewer more expensive types. Cheaper troops need good tactics and more skill, over other "powerful" troop types. Honestly I think you just click baiting, or have no idea and played few games. Go play some games with those tier 4 and come back.
Goblin mobs with short bows and skirmish...yes please, arcane journal poison banner, yes please Boar bois in tier 4, bro you trippin 5 man Squig herds rule. Blackorcs in core... Sorry dude, had to dislike. This is so far of what ive seen kick rear end in games
Thank you for all of your constructive feedbacks and engaging arguments which I appreciate. Placing the boar boys in that particular tier was a deliberate decision, knowing it would likely spark heated disagreement and provoke controversial discussion.
However, I stand by my choice because this tier list is rooted in my personal experiences with the unit, which is what is video is based upon. If I just put up a tier list based on the consensus of the majority and just want approval from others on the net then the tier list is a bit pointless in my opinion.
While I understand the points you've raised regarding the boar boys, my decision to rank them lower is influenced by their role within the broader army composition and not solely by their individual performance. Unlike many other armies that have access to strength 5 heavy cavalry units in their CORE choices, like chaos knights in warrior list, knight errants in Bretonnia list, empire knight in empire list, silver helms in high elves. The boar boys are confined to the special choice category, which greatly impacts my army-building decisions, since it takes up valuable points that could be allocated elsewhere. I feel like once I have invested 25% of my army in the CORE, there is a need to take other units that fulfil various roles and functions within my Orcs & Goblins army and I insist that boar boys do not align well with this need. When I review the boar boys, I compare them not only with other special O&G units in the list but also with special choices and heavy cavalry options from other armies.
Furthermore, I have highlighted in my O&G arcane journal video that the boar boys are fantastic in the Nomadic Waaagh army where they can be taken as CORE units. This underscores the significance of army composition in evaluating the effectiveness of units like boar boys. That’s my opinion, not expect everyone else to agree.
I love the video but not using text to speach will be a lot better! :)
Are you off your chops mate?
Orc Boar Boyz are amazing!
Please read my pinned comment where I elaborated a bit more, I think boar boy is bad in an o&g army because it is struck in the special category, special category is where I take units to handle other greater threats on the table. Boar boys are great in nomadic waaagh army as I have mentioned in my arcane journal video.
@@AllOutWarAu My apologies mate, Hard to convey tone over the internet, I meant it only in jest. Appreciate the content.
Even in special boar boyz are amazing. They’re like the best value shock cav in the game for the points.
@@Nubloot and as O&G can have enough good core troops choices to full the needed points, there are more than enough points in the elite slot to take the boar boys. I think they would be S-tier in core, but are still amazing good for their points, especially when they charge!
As for Orc Boar boyz. It is true but there is a little thing called red raggedy flag. WS 4 is not bad.
Some corrections:
- Giants do come with armour, although it is only light. Better than nothing though
- Black orc bigbosses can not ride a wyvern, only warbosses (Character mount entry on p19 of Ravening Hordes)
thank you for that, I do mean Warboss, but screwed up when I'm writing the script. I will make the correction in the video. cheers!
You are fundamentally wrong in how you think about our green boys. If we wanted to have good value or stats, then we would play elves. No we are in the game for 3 things! To charge, to smash things and to charge!
Boar boys, pumpwagon's en mass, is coming and it is going to be glorious.
Boar boys are a top 3 unit in this army.
Black Orcs are insanely good, if you mix them up right and manage to take out the right models in the right order. So you can always roll on 3+ armour, but still have lots of two-handed attacks. Good damage output, especially on the carge, very good armour saves, great morale, being able to make units go arounf impetious are all very good for the points. not chep, but tough and very good damage output. Only downside is that you have to take a black orc boss, but you normally do anyway and then you can make them core, that make them even better!
About orc bosses. Yes they are obviously inferior. but BO have black orc tax. If you do not want or have points to put two units of Black orcs in the list orc warboss is still good choice for say BSB.
I like bore boys i make bigans and have them accompany my black ork war boss as a suto death star unit
Boar boyz look cool and I like to bring them in place of orc boyz as a shock unit. A unit of black orcs and a unit of big uns makes up the core if you have a black orc war boss.
Like your content. Subscribing. Can't wait for you to do the other factions later on.
Beastmen units tier list next bud. Also narrate your own videos to add character.
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Goblin archers are significantly better than Night Goblin Archers point for point
Nah, Boar Boyz aren´t that bad.. Furious Charge helps as does the Turker Charge.
I don´t rate the Rock Lobbaas highly anymore.. But it is not horrible. The Doom Diver feels pointless though 20p for the same shit and a minor thing to re-direct? No thanks..!
The artillery dice has 6 sides, misfire, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. A rock lobber has 33% chance to get a direct HIT. on the other hand, a doom diver can re-direct D3 inches. if you roll 2 inches, you increase the direct hit chance to 44%. if you roll 3 inches, you increase the direct hit chance to 44-55% depending on the target's base size.
@@AllOutWarAu Yeah, glad you editted because that was real off..
Not really.. You me be so far off you barely re-direct to anything useful. Hardly worth 20p for that small template.
it is also seriously boring and lame making the Doom Diver now basically a Rock lobba. Much better when it was a point and gave D6 hits. Then it was different and had a different use.
it´s not worth the points now when bases got bigger. Rock Lobbas are bordering useless.
@ja37d-34 haha, sorry it was 1am here, my math went a bit off..my brain wasn't functioning.
@@AllOutWarAu I saw.. ;)
Love the videos and I agree with a lot of it but I'm very surprised to see boar boyz in D tier. I think you are going to be seeing a lot of them on the field.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I think weapon skill 3 is a big problem for boar boys, it becomes a hit or miss unit depending on how lucky you are at the time. The "new" boar boys with impact hit in the arcane journal are more usable, in my opinion. Pushing them to tier 3 or higher.
Savage or boarboars are legit @@AllOutWarAu
You need to put them on the table. Your assessment is flat out wrong. Yes they are WS but they are putting out twice as many hits as other cav units in their points bracket and they have the choppa rule which ensures they are wounding most things. I will take 11 attacks at WS 3 over 6 attacks at Ws4 and day of the week. Plus their mounts aren’t just horses they actually hit hard on the charge. They are one of the best units in the book.
@@plaugedon3 thank you for your constructive feedback and argument which I appreciate. I placed the boar boys in that particular tier was a deliberate decision, knowing it would likely spark intense disagreement and provoke controversial discussion. However, I stand by my choice because this tier list is rooted in my personal experiences with the unit, which is what this video is based upon. If I just put up a tier list based on the consensus of the majority and just want approval from others on the net then the tier list is a bit pointless in my opinion. While I understand the points you've raised. My decision to rank them lower is influenced by is influenced by their role within the broader army composition, not solely on their individual performance. Unlike many other armies that have access to strength 5 heavy cavalry units in their core choices, like chaos knights in warrior list, knight errants in bretonnia list, empire knight in empire list, silver helms in high elves. The issue I have with boar boys is that they are confined to the special choice category, which consumes valuable points that could be allocated elsewhere. I feel like once I have invested 25% of my army in core, I will need to take other units to fulfil other roles and functions that my O&G army needs, and I insist that boar boys do not align with this need. Furthermore, I have highlighted that in my O&G arcane journal, the boar boys are fantastic in the Nomadic Waaagh army where they can be taken as core units. This underscores the significance of army composition in evaluating the effectiveness of units like boar boys. That's my opinion, not expect to change everyone else's.
@@AllOutWarAu Of course everything is opinion and just for the sake of civility and since their is no tone in internet posts everything I am pointing out is for the sake of discussion not nerd internet rage.
A few things about your reply, your video and previous to this post you only addressed their WS as the issue holding them back and that was the point I addressed, If you look at maths, being not subjective you will see boar boys outclass any other cavalry unit that isnt nearly 30 points or more in the game. Knights errants, silver helms, cold one knights, empire knights will not outpoint their damage even with higher WS an costing more points.
The big balancing factor against this is that you have impetous. In a grand army list its quite easy to have a mounted black orc character running near your chariots and cav to keep them in check. In nomadic waaagh you can stop this with one unit with the thinking hat. Otherwise you are stuck not controlling them. I would argue the unit is worse in a nomadic waagh.
As for the force compositon they are in special. Are we really running out of special points in a grand list? I would be haaaaaaard pressed to spend 1k points in a grand alliance list. There's no way you are so busy taking trolls, chariots, and squiq hoppers that you cant fit around 150 points for what boar boys give you.
As for their roll, they are the only shock cavalry unit in the list. This edition, monsters and cavalry are really really good. To say they arent filling a role that is needed to me is ignoring what actually works in this edition. They also have the benefit over every other cavalry in their class in this role by having spears instead of lances. So when you smash into a unit and make it fall back in good order you can use those spear continually until they break them, other units with lances will not be able to use them again in subsequent rounds of the same combat even if they count as charging. Its one of the few swiftstriding units in the book and it offensively is a power house for the points you pay. Charging is so important this edition you just can't say that doesnt fit a role. O&G want to charge badly, aside from a wyvern and goblin units we don't have anything with swiftstride. They are very important to the composition of a good army.
I know personal records that are unverifiable comes across douchy in a youtube comment but for what its worth ive played over 20 games with orcs and goblins, using most of the book so far. Ive drawn a few but the only game I lost in all of that was to the guy who got the highest battle score at adepticon in that tournament with double star dragons (the guy who won overall had boar boys in the list btw)
This black orc charging rule ignore skill must indeed be real pain in the bottom for army that didnt even came out yet...
You can ever have 1 unit of skirmishing orcs oin the army.
So your "Tier" list has NO "good" infantry.
Remind us.. how much paste do you consume daily?
Boar boyz always pay their own way for me.
I was most looking forward to Orcs over all other Factions in this new edition. And I can not stress loudly enough how disappointed I am with the models they've given us. Absolute shite.
A lot of Orc STLs available for printing are absolutely stunning and should be much cheaper than GW old and ugly plastics, whether you have them printed or buy a printer yourself.
What were you expecting?
What were you expecting?
Just plain hilarious. I've taken everything in tier 4 including two snotlings pump wagons. Smashed my opponent quiet nicely. I think you miss the fact that the good stuff costs more and you can do less overall. There is opportunity costs for taking fewer more expensive types. Cheaper troops need good tactics and more skill, over other "powerful" troop types. Honestly I think you just click baiting, or have no idea and played few games. Go play some games with those tier 4 and come back.
dwarf T list
This tier list is garbage
Boar boyz bad? Wat??
Goblin mobs with short bows and skirmish...yes please, arcane journal poison banner, yes please
Boar bois in tier 4, bro you trippin
5 man Squig herds rule.
Blackorcs in core...
Sorry dude, had to dislike. This is so far of what ive seen kick rear end in games