I would love an option for the downdraft for all MSFS helos to be simulated on the grass underneath and have it move - at least as an option for those who had plenty of fps.
Hey Mate. Nice, quick review - to the point! I have everything from CowanSim and really looking forward to trialing the first MilViz/Blackbird/Shrike offering for Rotary Wing. It is very good news for MSFS if two developers have nearly indistinguishable flight models for the 500 ‘E’ and ‘F’. Speaks volumes for degree to which accurate flight models can be nailed down now. For those that mention the ‘twitchiness’ of the 500s? Check out the plethora of real world 500 videos on RUclips - particularly in the hover - then adjust your control curves for the same range of cyclic movement. There is such a huge variety in systems, visuals and Human Interface Device employment that comments on twitchiness and the like become highly subjective. Highly recommend Virpil - and looking to Brunner now for a base that accepts the VirPil cyclic - mainly for a correct Force Trim solution practicing IFR approaches in Rotary. Thanks for your review. Looking forward to some quick stops in the PMC Infil tool of choice 😂 P.S. Always good to see a pilot achieve the hover attitude prior to lift - nicely done. Disappointed with all the reviews of Rotary that just yank the thing into the air. Good job!
Hey Actual! Thanks for the feedback! Us low time guys always appreciate a nod from our more experienced colleagues! I swear that my positive experience with the different sims is mostly due to my control setup. I've been running A Pro-Flight Trainer for years and I love it! It's 1:1 and has perfect performance in every sim I plug it into keeping the inputs linear. I really feel that's why I can hop between the different helis and sims and compare the software. I have a rock solid control setup and a rig that's good enough to not worry about FPS in VR. A Brunner setup with force feedback on a motion rig would be the ultimate setup. That would be the closest to what Loft Dynamics is doing, integrating VR/AR.
@@Belatu42 Hey - just a mutual nod to someone enthusiastic and passionate enough to spend the tremendous amount of time on editing RUclips videos - most don’t appreciate just how much time that can take 😂 I totally agree regards controls. They make all the difference. Using Virpil ‘everything’ and flying everything ‘floppy stick’ (without trim, and a minor emergency in most turbine helicopters - for those not familiar) is hugely rewarding! I have seen the Loft Dynamics work with Air Zermatt. Simply awesome. Motion is a funny one though. It is one of the first things you are taught to ignore as a pilot. Trust what you see, even if it’s just the instruments; ignore what you feel. I have flown in different 6DOF Military Sims before. Hugely expensive. One was for the Seahawk, performing deck landings (not a course; just a trial) and I would take my non-motion platform with the Varjo Aero every time as being many times more immersive. For fixed wing and rotary I think there are huge advantages in the airborne decision making scenarios that you find yourself in (and that IS how you build experience in aviation; by making those decisions and living with them). For rotary specifically, the hands’n’feet and the techniques are exceptional in the sim environment - with the right controls. It is interesting too; a discussion with an engineer developing flight controls for a full simulator and mapping the controls in the AS350, flight controls in an actual airframe are non-linear by a much larger margin than I had given credit. The interaction of pushrods and bell cranks has a very unique affect on the linearity of the control output. It is easier in the Sim when a developer can more accurately map inputs to outputs. Literally fly-by-wire to emulate a mechanical control system 👍🏻 I have upgraded recently too. RTX4090, i13900k and lots of DDR5. Also building an aluminium profile chassis (scored two seats from an EVO 10 😂). Have fun and keep it up. The more quality Sim Content on RUclips the better. 👍🏻
@@Wolf_Sim.Actual Just going to throw some water on your enthusiasm here. I have a Saitek X-56 Rhino that I use for cyclic and collective(and as stick and throttle for fighters) with a set of Saitek Pro Rudder pedals. I get so sick of "professionals" saying you have to have Virpl or Thrustmaster HOTAS of whatever other high hundreds of dollars flight setup they have. I've been using my stuff for years, and before that it was an Saitech X52 Pro that I used for well over a decade. You know what I've found after all these years of people saying "You need these expensive sticks and throttles to make it easier"? It's all in their heads, flying helicopters starts in the head not the hands, and I will straight up challenge anyone to do something with their $1000 set up that I can't do with my $400 setup.
I firmly believe that you can work with a $40 desktop joystick if that is what you have. The point I am making is that my 1:1 setup translates between different sims and helicopters easily without hassling with curves and settings. Absolutely spot on about flying starts in your head! Study the aerodynamics, you spend as much time in ground school as you do flying!
Thank you for the video. I really wish the passengers were simulated tbh. Would love the Fight model of this one, with the visual addons of the Cowan version. So right now it is either good flight model with little customisation or more RC like flightmodel with all the goodies.
I was able to hop back and forth between the Shrike and Cowansim versions and they fly about the same with my setup. The Shrike 530F needs more pedal travel, but the inputs felt the same otherwise.
Great quick review, to the point 👍 I'm currently looking for a new Heli (Xbox X) and I've looked at the H125 & 222B but wasnt impressed by the interior quality. The 125 is a bit better than the 222b but.....The 500F seems to be better again. So would you recommend the 500F for a Heli beginner over the H125? I've about 20 hrs rotor and 400hrs Fixedwing so I'm very new! I've a few Carenado aircraft so I'm expecting Carenado quality on the 500F..... or not? 😅
There are 2 different 500s in the marketplace. The one in this video is the 530F from Shrike(Milviz/Blackbird). The 500E is from Cowansim ruclips.net/video/W_GfRM7ILSk/видео.htmlsi=1aMPn3PGHXUdBOSd I think the texturing on the Shrike 530 is more flat than the CS 500E, which is the best Cowansim heli texture wise, but neither of them are as good as Carenado. I would start with the Shrike 530F. It’s more stable and less expensive. Keep the assists on and practice. Turn them off as you improve. The H125 is more challenging to learn to hover.
On pc love the weapon load out just got to figure out how to map them 😂to get them to fire, and for 19.99 its very good. Been on the web site cannot find the weapon mapping info
Funny how this is only the 2nd video on the entire RUclips platform that has a review on this one. As an Xbox user, I couldn't care less about weapons. This is a "flight" simulator. The "combat" isn't necessary, because it's not part of this platform. (Although, I wouldn't mind Asobo launching a MCFS spinoff, built off MSFS). I'll definitely pick this up, as I'm a sucker for helicopters.
I’m a H369 nut, so I had to have this one too! I’m just making assumptions (yeah, I know…) that Xbox users might be more interested in the “COD Little Bird” appeal of this version. I would be down for a MCFS, as long as it’s WWII ;)
@Belatu42 That assumption is actually quite funny because I'm more of the sightseeing and HEMS type, but when it comes to military helicopters, I'm a "transport" guy. I actually used to be the "hot drop" transport pilot in the old Battlefield games. Bad Company 2 and it's Blackhawk. Good times. My ears are glued to Blackhawk to see if they bring their Blackhawk to the Sim.
I find it is about the same in most phases of flight. It has more pedal travel, but the input is the same. Where it should be different is hot and high environments where it should have more power, but I haven’t tested it
@@Belatu42 as you fly it more I would be very interested in your conparisons between this and the Cowan 500E. For me, realistic flight modeling is by far the most important factor. If this version is more realistic, I will buy it. If it isn't, I won't. No pressure😂
They have their differences, but you don’t really need to own them both. I like the CS 500E slightly better, and it has more options. It’s also slightly more expensive. Hopefully they get the turbine modeling worked out in the next version of MSFS so there is a reason to need the extra power the 530F provides.
I haven’t flown it since SU15 came out. I would imagine it needs an update. Have you posted in Blackbird/Shrike’s Discord about your issues? That’s the best place for support.
Always good seeing real pilots giving their feedbacks!
Thanks! Simulators have come a long way!
@@Belatu42 i Just jumped into DCS days ago, I feel like a Child in a Toy store 🤣🤣
I would love an option for the downdraft for all MSFS helos to be simulated on the grass underneath and have it move - at least as an option for those who had plenty of fps.
Yeah, that would be amazing! Can we get the trees to respond to rotor wash too?
It seems to be on the way in FS2024! Also, the FS2020 Cowansim H125 has a dust downdraft visual effect which is fun.
All of the Cowansim birds have the dust effect. The Alouette III does as well, and I’m pretty sure the Shrike 530 too.
@@matthew414347 Brilliant news - thanks !
This is coming in MSFS 2024 :)
Hey Mate. Nice, quick review - to the point! I have everything from CowanSim and really looking forward to trialing the first MilViz/Blackbird/Shrike offering for Rotary Wing. It is very good news for MSFS if two developers have nearly indistinguishable flight models for the 500 ‘E’ and ‘F’. Speaks volumes for degree to which accurate flight models can be nailed down now.
For those that mention the ‘twitchiness’ of the 500s? Check out the plethora of real world 500 videos on RUclips - particularly in the hover - then adjust your control curves for the same range of cyclic movement.
There is such a huge variety in systems, visuals and Human Interface Device employment that comments on twitchiness and the like become highly subjective.
Highly recommend Virpil - and looking to Brunner now for a base that accepts the VirPil cyclic - mainly for a correct Force Trim solution practicing IFR approaches in Rotary.
Thanks for your review. Looking forward to some quick stops in the PMC Infil tool of choice 😂
P.S. Always good to see a pilot achieve the hover attitude prior to lift - nicely done. Disappointed with all the reviews of Rotary that just yank the thing into the air. Good job!
Hey Actual! Thanks for the feedback! Us low time guys always appreciate a nod from our more experienced colleagues!
I swear that my positive experience with the different sims is mostly due to my control setup. I've been running A Pro-Flight Trainer for years and I love it! It's 1:1 and has perfect performance in every sim I plug it into keeping the inputs linear. I really feel that's why I can hop between the different helis and sims and compare the software. I have a rock solid control setup and a rig that's good enough to not worry about FPS in VR.
A Brunner setup with force feedback on a motion rig would be the ultimate setup. That would be the closest to what Loft Dynamics is doing, integrating VR/AR.
@@Belatu42 Hey - just a mutual nod to someone enthusiastic and passionate enough to spend the tremendous amount of time on editing RUclips videos - most don’t appreciate just how much time that can take 😂
I totally agree regards controls. They make all the difference. Using Virpil ‘everything’ and flying everything ‘floppy stick’ (without trim, and a minor emergency in most turbine helicopters - for those not familiar) is hugely rewarding!
I have seen the Loft Dynamics work with Air Zermatt. Simply awesome.
Motion is a funny one though. It is one of the first things you are taught to ignore as a pilot. Trust what you see, even if it’s just the instruments; ignore what you feel. I have flown in different 6DOF Military Sims before. Hugely expensive. One was for the Seahawk, performing deck landings (not a course; just a trial) and I would take my non-motion platform with the Varjo Aero every time as being many times more immersive. For fixed wing and rotary I think there are huge advantages in the airborne decision making scenarios that you find yourself in (and that IS how you build experience in aviation; by making those decisions and living with them). For rotary specifically, the hands’n’feet and the techniques are exceptional in the sim environment - with the right controls.
It is interesting too; a discussion with an engineer developing flight controls for a full simulator and mapping the controls in the AS350, flight controls in an actual airframe are non-linear by a much larger margin than I had given credit. The interaction of pushrods and bell cranks has a very unique affect on the linearity of the control output. It is easier in the Sim when a developer can more accurately map inputs to outputs. Literally fly-by-wire to emulate a mechanical control system 👍🏻
I have upgraded recently too. RTX4090, i13900k and lots of DDR5. Also building an aluminium profile chassis (scored two seats from an EVO 10 😂).
Have fun and keep it up. The more quality Sim Content on RUclips the better. 👍🏻
@@Wolf_Sim.Actual Just going to throw some water on your enthusiasm here. I have a Saitek X-56 Rhino that I use for cyclic and collective(and as stick and throttle for fighters) with a set of Saitek Pro Rudder pedals. I get so sick of "professionals" saying you have to have Virpl or Thrustmaster HOTAS of whatever other high hundreds of dollars flight setup they have. I've been using my stuff for years, and before that it was an Saitech X52 Pro that I used for well over a decade. You know what I've found after all these years of people saying "You need these expensive sticks and throttles to make it easier"? It's all in their heads, flying helicopters starts in the head not the hands, and I will straight up challenge anyone to do something with their $1000 set up that I can't do with my $400 setup.
The most rewarding aspect of this adventure has been connecting with other pilots and aviation enthusiasts around the world.
I firmly believe that you can work with a $40 desktop joystick if that is what you have. The point I am making is that my 1:1 setup translates between different sims and helicopters easily without hassling with curves and settings.
Absolutely spot on about flying starts in your head! Study the aerodynamics, you spend as much time in ground school as you do flying!
Any new helicopter in msfs is good news as l only fly helicopters a big thanks from gazza
…unless it’s from Mscenery, but they do have the market cornered on small mustachioed pilots…
@Belatu42 Jesus, man. I will NEVER touch MSCENERY ever.
Seeing as how helicopters are a pretty recent addition to the sim, I am going to go ahead and throw out #doubt on your statement.
Thank you for the video. I really wish the passengers were simulated tbh. Would love the Fight model of this one, with the visual addons of the Cowan version. So right now it is either good flight model with little customisation or more RC like flightmodel with all the goodies.
I was able to hop back and forth between the Shrike and Cowansim versions and they fly about the same with my setup. The Shrike 530F needs more pedal travel, but the inputs felt the same otherwise.
@@Belatu42 Oh, it is as sensitive in both collective and cyclic? If so i may just get the Cowan anyways as it has more visual goodies :p
Great quick review, to the point 👍 I'm currently looking for a new Heli (Xbox X) and I've looked at the H125 & 222B but wasnt impressed by the interior quality. The 125 is a bit better than the 222b but.....The 500F seems to be better again.
So would you recommend the 500F for a Heli beginner over the H125? I've about 20 hrs rotor and 400hrs Fixedwing so I'm very new!
I've a few Carenado aircraft so I'm expecting Carenado quality on the 500F..... or not? 😅
There are 2 different 500s in the marketplace. The one in this video is the 530F from Shrike(Milviz/Blackbird). The 500E is from Cowansim
ruclips.net/video/W_GfRM7ILSk/видео.htmlsi=1aMPn3PGHXUdBOSd
I think the texturing on the Shrike 530 is more flat than the CS 500E, which is the best Cowansim heli texture wise, but neither of them are as good as Carenado.
I would start with the Shrike 530F. It’s more stable and less expensive. Keep the assists on and practice. Turn them off as you improve.
The H125 is more challenging to learn to hover.
On pc love the weapon load out just got to figure out how to map them 😂to get them to fire, and for 19.99 its very good. Been on the web site cannot find the weapon mapping info
There is a PDF in the docs folder that has some operating notes and key bind info
Funny how this is only the 2nd video on the entire RUclips platform that has a review on this one.
As an Xbox user, I couldn't care less about weapons. This is a "flight" simulator.
The "combat" isn't necessary, because it's not part of this platform. (Although, I wouldn't mind Asobo launching a MCFS spinoff, built off MSFS).
I'll definitely pick this up, as I'm a sucker for helicopters.
I’m a H369 nut, so I had to have this one too! I’m just making assumptions (yeah, I know…) that Xbox users might be more interested in the “COD Little Bird” appeal of this version.
I would be down for a MCFS, as long as it’s WWII ;)
@Belatu42 That assumption is actually quite funny because I'm more of the sightseeing and HEMS type, but when it comes to military helicopters, I'm a "transport" guy.
I actually used to be the "hot drop" transport pilot in the old Battlefield games.
Bad Company 2 and it's Blackhawk. Good times.
My ears are glued to Blackhawk to see if they bring their Blackhawk to the Sim.
Anyone know how to operate the search light?
Hmmm…never tried with the Shrike MD…?
Got it figured
In your opinion is the flight model better than the 500E?
Some users are reporting it is better, but at the end of the day, it comes down to user experience.
I find it is about the same in most phases of flight. It has more pedal travel, but the input is the same.
Where it should be different is hot and high environments where it should have more power, but I haven’t tested it
@@Belatu42 as you fly it more I would be very interested in your conparisons between this and the Cowan 500E. For me, realistic flight modeling is by far the most important factor. If this version is more realistic, I will buy it. If it isn't, I won't.
No pressure😂
I dont know how you can beat the cowan sim version.
They have their differences, but you don’t really need to own them both. I like the CS 500E slightly better, and it has more options. It’s also slightly more expensive. Hopefully they get the turbine modeling worked out in the next version of MSFS so there is a reason to need the extra power the 530F provides.
Tring to figure out why my rpm.keeps dieing for some reason
Is the governor on? It has to be bound to a button.
can't start it.
I haven’t flown it since SU15 came out. I would imagine it needs an update. Have you posted in Blackbird/Shrike’s Discord about your issues? That’s the best place for support.
@@Belatu42 it said the invite was invalid
@@tolwyn_doom try their website and see if you can contact support
Pilot on the left Come on guys at least get this correct 🤣
Pilot on the left is correct in the H369 series. It’s one of the few helicopters that the PIC does not sit on the right.
Wow you learn something new everyday and I'm 60 @@Belatu42
@@DiscusRussellRH PIC is an option in the E and F series.