Goodberry juggling! Best healing spell in D&D 5E! - Advanced guide to Goodberry
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"Less short rest, more playtime"
Me, a warlock : I have to find a way to kill my druid if I want to cast more than 2 spells today
poor monks
I advertise taking a short rest whenever possible. People take way less short rests than intended anyway and this philosophy fixes that at least somewhat.
I mean not like you couldn't take a short rest and eat some berries, you just now have the option incase your warlock or monk are still good to go.
Teach your Warlock Goodberry and you can produce 20-30 berries every short rest. Now those rests are looking even *more* appealing to the party.
Get those hex scrolls friend!
"i use all my spell slots before i go to bed"
"bear"
"i use most of my spell slots before i go to bed"
Somehow optimizers that talk about this spell always selectively forget the possibility of encounters during the night
@@jerommeke_T selectively, no, they just tend to think only about the RAW and fail to realize the DM is the final say in the matter, which is RAW. always refer to your DM when you are about to do bullshit and encourage a system of exchanging abilities/stuff if they decide that they don't want that bull
that's why I only carry 40 good berries instead of 100 👍
@@jerommeke_TBecause optimizers plays with other optimizers, and any optimizers knows Tiny Hut is a good spell.
"I give the bear a single berry"
"The bear has had enough nourishment and wanders off to go to sleep"
Great video; Needs more, "But Kobold!"
That's actually the thing I hate the most
@@ramisthename6193 That's the thing I _love_ the most
@@hinamiravenroot7162 I've got a fever!
I wrote a couple more but kobalds in the comments and hope he replies
Me too.
"But Kobold, why not juggle my good berries!?"
I'll be leaving now
Some things need reiteration. The spell is made of consistent healing.
It's the dumbest thing but you're "But Kobold!" Straw man makes me smile everytime.
When it comes to goodberry and survival table rules, I defer to our gnome overlord that does the Animated Spellbook: Goodberry consumes its material component.
That's going to be miserable for so many other spells.
@@The_NickTL just goodberry eats the materials, with these rules
I run it like it's a transformation spell. Its not really a material component, but a target. Up to ten berries (could be holly berries, or rosehips, or the dried cranberries in your regular rations) become goodberries, which act as described by the spell. (I also have a homebrew plant creature that grows 2d4 goodberries daily)
This rule is only useful for survival, generally at a low level.
I do like the idea of essentially turning Goodberry into a quest.
Goodberry stops you from having to argue over short rests
*Cries in warlock*
No, Warlock with GB convinces party to rest more frquently; recover slots for more GB.
Scrolls! Get those scrolls Warlock!
I've played a hexblade 2 / wildfire druid x build before, and we kind of loved short rests. On one hand, my conjure animals / pass without trace would end, and the artillerist's cannon would fade, but on the other, 20 hitpoints and battlemaster maneuvers for pewpewpew. We were a control-heavy party so the damage provided by the battlemaster was much appreciated.
@@PackTactics And guess which subclass gets access to Shield Scrolls...
@@Greycobalt HEXBLADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!
I’ve heard from a couple different places that they’ve banned this spell in their survival setting games, but I think your fix is a much better option. It allows for players to still pick up this very useful spell, while not breaking the DM’s survival game
Or use Zeebee's version where the Holly Leaf Material Component of the Spell is consumed and is priced at 1 cp. That way it is required for the party to find/buy/ grow holly if they want to Goodberry Juggle.
@@ruga-ventoj ehhh, if you remove the nourishment part then that fix isn’t necessary for survival games.
@@axlaxolotl4851 yes, that would work. I was just giving an alternative choice. Either make it a purely healing tool or keep it whole and make it harder to use. Whichever works for your table.
@@axlaxolotl4851 The point of making the material cost being consumed is so it’s harder to spam for the nourishment requirement, if you only have a finite number materials it incentivizes players to use goodberry for sustenance as a last resort of if they haven’t been able to find food for an extended period of time.
@@PumaPants248 I was saying to make it completely unable to feed people, it would just heal 1 HP when eaten, nothing more.
3:05 An alternative nerf I orginally heard from matt colville is that casting the spell consumes its material components. It lets you do all the fun stuff without being an infinite free healing/food source in survival settings. It also then provides potential quest opportunities around the finding and rationing of your mistletoe. Your players have to make some tough decisions when their food and healing supply overlap so heavily.
Druidic focus laughs
I would just treat it as a magic infusion into edibles, that makes said edibles restore HP when eaten, and just have bigger edibles restore more
@@samglam2324 focuses don’t negate expended components even if they don’t have a gold value (ie you need holy water or powdered silver and iron to cast protection from evil and good even if you have a focus)
Thanks Loli Hitler!
@@samglam2324 you’re welcome glad I could help
Some things to consider, you’re not always sitting on spell slots at the end of the day. If they day was balanced properly, it should have been taxing on your spell slots and you should be out or close to it, so at best you can do this before your first day of adventuring and then to a minor extent with any leftover slots during the adventure.
Also, if you use all your spell slots before going to bed, you better have a really good scout or be in a safe location (tiny hut) because otherwise a nighttime attack with no spell slots is going to go poorly for you.
If you're above 5th lvl you can dump those leftover 1st lvl spellslots. Your cantrips do good amount of dmg at this moment, sometimes can even outrun spells. Do not use all of your leftower spellslots on goodberries b4 long rest in a middle of nowhere (those couple 1st lvl spellslots can be "wasted" but i would not use my higher lvl spellslots on it if i have any). Some dms consider fighting as an activity that ends your long rest (you can do only light activities during lr) so you can be left with no spell slots after such encounter. That's why it's always good to have someone short rest dependent (like warlock), cuz you can just wake him up and let him kill those 2 goblins (they are not a threat in a way of killing you, but in a way of making your next adventuring day harder if your dm considers fighting as a "failing long rest"). Ofc, if something with cr hing enough to kill someone comes, you better fight it with everything you have, even on a cost of "failing" a long rest.
With that said, there is a way to dump all your spellslots into goodberries safely. If you know that next day you're going for a dungeon crawl, you can use all of your spellslots while you stay in a save inn.
(Nighttime attack with no spell slots is going to go poorly for you)
Skill issue. Play Moon Druid lol
Could also read "enough" to mean "a standard amount to sustain your particular race from empty to full for one day" and be completely correct
The word "enough" in the description could be interpreted to mean that any additional good berries after the first one are "more than enough", and thus carry consequences for having too much of a good thing. I wouldn't rule this way, this is mainly just semantics.
more than enough =/= too much, it wouldnt be raw nor rai to say that more than enough is too much so if a dm wants to say that they do this thats fine tbh but they gotta own the fact that its homebrew, ya feel me?
One more interesting nerf that zee bashew made was to make good berry consume the components, so in survival goodberry gives you a day of grace rather than breaking it all together, players will still look for the materials fitting survival better
What about spellcasting focus since the material doesn't have any gp/value requirement? Or doesn't it work at all with consumed materials regardless of value?
@@nickl2571 pretty sure focuses can’t replace consumed components but also I think all consumed components have a monetary value, unless I’m misremembering.
I thought you already made this video.
But hey, I can't say no to another Goodberry Pie.
nice thing about Goodberry as well is that you don't have to worry about deciding to waste hit points recovered by over healing or going into battle injured, GB is precise.
Always happy to see your uploads in my subscription box
I have nerfed goodberry in 2 ways. First is that it consumes a sprig of mistletoe as a material cost. Second is that goodberries provide enough food for half rationing and the nourishment does not stack. Half rationing in my game means that you eat only the minimum to sustain your body at any given day, which means if you half ration a long rest, you do not gain any of your hit dice back since you are not gaining enough nourishment to effectively grow reserves. I do this not even for the survival aspect but because I love food in games and I always have my characters learn how to cook properly in every game I am. This goes so far that I have a space wilf space marine who knows how to cook properly in a homebrew GURPS game.
I always liked the consumption of the component rule. It engages the party in the survival mechanics by making them search for sprigs.
i need to know what "space wilf space marine" means but im afraid of the wilf part
@@zioqqr4262 pretty sure is "wolf" misspelled, as in a Space wolf from warhammer 40k
"goodberry is the best healing spell in the game"
Counterpoint: you cant force-feed goodberries to enemies to keep them conscious
At lots of tables you can
I've just started my Good Berry juggling with my (now) level 3 Druid. It's gonna be Good (berry)! 😅
0:46 it has also been stated that you can eat all 10 berries at once but they have to be made into something like a smoothie or a pie for that to work
Awesome video. I didn't not notice the "enough" part of good berry.
when in doubt on a spell they only do what the text says. In the case of goodberry it has no negatives for eating too many therefore it has no negatives unless you are homebrewing. As for getting "enough" nourishment, it is beyond vague on what "enough" is therefore it is simply enough no matter how much or how little nourishment you actually need with no downsides, as in if you pop a goodberry waking up for the day so you don't have to eat then pop more after a battle you only get "enough" nourishment that you would have lost inbetween eating the berries
So to stack goodberry, if you multiclass into life domain cleric to get the “disciple of life” feature, you gain 2+the spell’s level in healing. Now picture that, but with EACH individual berry.
So 30 points of healing off a single 1st level spell. Well damn.
@@badwrongfun5541 40. 2 (disciple of life)+1 (spell level)+1 (normal goodberry heal) x 10 berries
The berries being eaten is NOT a spell being cast. You cast the spell to create berries.
Casting a spell to create a healing item is NOT casting a spell to heal a creature.
Great video
Kobold:
"You only play 4 hours a week"
Me:
"Sir, your optimism makes me cry"
I always like the idea of someone just ballooning in size from eating 16k calories worth of goodberries in one day. Look at all the nourishment you're getting!
Then you have the Goliath wasting away on 6000 calories.
I heard the way a DM nerfed the spell was to have the materials were consumed by the spell. No focus can work to cast the spell now, and you need find mistletoe every time now.
yeah I Think that was Zee Bashew (he only did it for the survival campaign so the players still had to do something with it.)
Mistletoe isn't exactly rare. A thousand sprigs of mistletoe can be carried in my pocket with no discernible weight.
Rewatching 2 years later, because I love your content and deserve the rewatch perspective. I would love to see a Reborn, Half-Orc, Warded Bond using, Aid and Heroes Feast boosted, Life transference SorLock build.
For a survival setting, I prefer to make the material component consumed. You use up the sprig of mistletoe for the cast. If that is the spell focus you found for the rest of your spells, then you better scavenge another or make sure it is worth it.
Most westmarches on rest casting: I understand the council [WOTC] has made a decision, but I've elected to ignore it.
tbf, in many westmarch games, you don't have a single continuous game where you budget for every day day, instead playing lower-encounter days, one day at a time. "rest casting" spells can often be far more powerful in such games; rather than rewarding you for conserving resources on the previous day, you essentially double your total spell slots.
Pack tactics talking about "enough" nourishment like Willy Wonka telling Charlie he lost the contest.
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GoodBerry is so weird to work with RAW as a Gm. Having the world able to use it can potentially make alot of jobs, characters, and situations completely invalid. Due to being restricted too nature casters. Good Berry can help sustain a frontier town, with hunting game more of a nessesity to keep nature balanced. In a gameplay sense spending all your slots on goodberries before you rest is an easy way to be magically unprepared in an ambush. Even more so if the bandits know goodberry is common in that area, and or an enemy knows they consistently do this.
That's all I can think of now, if you plan to keep goodberry unchanged. I hope this helps alot. Thank you for reading my comment.
It can help, but most people aren't level 20 druids.
Further, if you ARE a level 20 druid, you can spend all your spell slots on Goodberry. Congratulations! you can support 240 people.
You know who else can support 240 people? Two drunks farmers who lose a third of their crops in a fire they accidentally started.
You're really, really wasting the potential of a near god among men using their mastery of nature to make berry stew for people instead of doing literally anything else with your spells.
"Less short rests? What is this, some kind of witch hunt?" - Warlock
Since this video just dropped I’ll reiterate my point about disciple of life. While you can argue for the synergy between disciple of life and goodberry, it seems against the spirit of the spell as well as breaking it. In addition, goodberry is a transmutation spell, essentially growing a bunch of magic berries out of a sprig of mistletoe. Three spells tagged as healing are transmutation school, the other two are directly used on the pc you want to effect whereas goodberry is applied to a secondary item then consumed. As a DM you have a strong case against stacking that buff.
As an additional note: imagine if goodberry was the main reagent in health potions, just watered down and preserved via the alchemical process, and if you want to punish your players for using it a lot ( not saying you should) make them addictive… can’t get enough of those tasty magic berries, if you stop you get withdrawal symptoms. Just an idea
So much this. Good berry is not a spell that restores hot points. It’s a spell that creates berries.
Another proposed nerf for the spell in survival settings is to say that the component is used up while casting... so instead of looking for food, you're looking for mistletoe sprigs... but I think I like yours more.
Also, to prevent the druid from walking around with 130 free Goodberries, I only one instance of this spell be in effect (like Familiars, you cast it again, the first set lose their power). That way, you can go to bed with 10 free berries, but not 130.
> Have spellslots left after an easy adventuring day.
> Cast Goodberry until no more spellslots left.
> DM springs encounters all night long, party doesn't get a long rest, and is in really bad shape since druid couldn't really do anything except cast cantrips to help during the night.
> Have a full adventuring day ahead of you, and instead of useful spells, you now have a handful of berries instead.
Make a long rest during the day.
Unless you are in the very rare case of a compelling timetable, there is no reason to start a day without a long rest, no sane adventurer would start a day without proper rest since is life depend on it. Just find a better position or fortify your current one and take the day off
@@francescoviselli6386 The exaggerated example relies on time constraints, or being in a dungeon or other hostile environment where taking a day off isn't possible, but yeah you're right.
Good thing you have 3-5 other people with you.
Sweet berrys!
'Laughs in hospitality halfling coffeelock'
The only 'punishment' I would consider for a player eating multiple goodberries would be to make their urine turn a vibrant neon green much like if someone was eating too many vitamins. I might even tell them their vision is getting a bit wavy as they start to experience mild hallucinogenic effects, like one would with an excess of vitamin C. But that's all flavour penalties with no mechanical effect; something the players could potentially lean into with their roleplay.
I did do this on a ranger when there wasn't a healer in the session (The DM didn't like it even then, but even then.)
But Kobold!
This does seem like a very Kobold thing to do. Make an economy of Goodberries to make tunneling better. Laying snare traps for animals or adventurer's that wander into your warren. So many options when you accept Goodberry into your life!
great video as always. Would you be willing to do a brake down of meta magic and do an analysis of which you belive are most optimal?
The stomach problems given by goodberry in my games is just for roleplay purpose, like when you eat too much in a party and might want to go to the bathroom more frequently
Disciple of life does not work with Goodberry by RAW, here is why:
The feature sais "Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points" Goodberry does not restore hitpoints, it creates berries, and then the berries restore hitpoints if eaten within the next 24hrs. If the spell lasted 24hrs and could be dispelled I might be inclined to think disciple of life should work with it because the berries properties were an active spell effect, but goodberry is instantanious, meaning once the berries are created they are no longer affected by a spell, and they are not themselves spell effects.
Think about it like this: if you use wish to create a healing potion, and you have disciple of life, that healing potion still follows the rules for a healing potion, because it's a potion and not a spell.
Correct
But kobold, can i smash the berrys and made a juice with it, healing 10 Hp without a roll as a improvised potion?
Would love to see a video/series of him reviewing some of the "game-breaking" builds in 5e.
Good video. Though if the survival mention is referencing me, my inner pedant wants to inform you that looking back, the party I ran that adventure for didn't care about the healing, it was an all healer party, none of which knew much about optimisation. Some players do get the spell specifically for food. They should watch this video, it is good. Not goodberry good, but gooder than a normal berry.
Awesome
Hear me out, according to Tasha’s, druids have the ability to cast find familiar (according to it’s optional rules, they can spend a wildshape to do so).
Now lets say we were to let that familiar carry some goodberries, and feed them to downed allies.
(I’ve been doing this for close to a year in my current campaign).
Another good use of goodberry, I like to do this aswell
I dont think a familiar would be able to hold more than one or two at most berries at a time
@@BODELTOTE True, but an owl is mobile enough to get a berry from you and feed it to a friend that same turn pretty consistently
And how does the downed person use an action to eat the berry or is the familar feeding them it as mother bird to a chick?
@@darkscot1338 "bird feeding them as a mother bird to a chick"
thank you kindly for that mental imae
So when I was playing in my first campaign with my druid my DM asked me if a could not spam GB because how good it was, I agreed and used it more for role playing values than for the benefit and how powerfull and good it can be. Really like your videos, but I think maybe sometimes doing things like use all your slot for GB can feel a little bit just playing with the numbers and math than just being in a campfire, tell stories and get a nice rest, preparing for the next day encounters. Now, I wish I had done more GB for the party so the characters who doesn't have healing spells could use a GB with the downed allies and save them from death.
If you want to get all RAW as Pack Tactics does, then you can't actually give a Goodberry to a downed ally since it takes an action to eat it.
Just think of it as you saving spell slots, druid rewards you for using less during the day
Good Berry saved our party multiple times. I was playing druid and would use all remaining spell slots at the end of each day to cast good berry. We also had a ranger do the same. We would then split the berries amongst the part. If someone went down anyone could get them up by giving them a berry. On average each play was carrying 4 good berries. This saved us from TPK multiple times. I disagree about using them in combat, as hating someone up as opposed to unconscious makes a masive difference.
Respect the goodberry: )
Great Video :-)
Off topic but I’m curious to hear your thoughts on melf's minute meteors.
for survival campaigns sometimes they ban the spell outright, they could also just remove the nourishment part like you suggested.
another popular option is making the material component of the spell (mistletoe) a consumable component then meaning you would need to find a mistletoe in order to cast good berry, i think this option was suggested by Zee Bashew (the guy that makes animated spell book videos)
Though that option does have a downside that it basically takes good berry out of commission until your dm decides to give you a mistletoe from my experience in my current game.
though we've been discussing ways to more reliably get a hold of mistletoes, such as getting a fort of refugees to start growing mistletoe's and training in the druidic way so that they can feed their fellow refugees
(my character is a druid so she'd likely be in charge of training them in druidic magic)
You could also make the material component consumed on casting
"But Kobold"
If one uses all there slots on goodbery the DM Better not throw in a rest encounter.....
Very surprised you didnt mention the RAI from J-Craw that you can administer a goodberry yo an unconscious person.
Hmm, not sure trying to eliminate short rests from your game is necessarily a good thing. There’s already enough disparity between long rest and short rest classes at a normal table anyways.
I played an alchemist artificer just to try out the subclass.
The alchemist add+int to healing/acid/fire/necrotic/poison rolls.
Later levels they add +2d6+int temp hp to all heal spells. According to dndbeyond, temp healing counts as healing so the initial +int to healing stacks (according to the coding of the website).
I used tattoo infusions to cast goodberry.
At lvl 11, my alchemist artificer was healing 1+5(int mod) + 2d6+10 (int mod x2) temporary hp per goodberry.
I also used tattoo infusions to cast find familiar.
Every turn was:
standard action= potion, or goodberry, or cure wounds
Bonus = command familiar to feed goodberries or healing word (which was 1d4+ 10 (int mod x2) + 2d6+10 (int mod x2) temporary hp
Alchemical Savant only works on cast, not on use, AND it says the bonus is added to a roll of the spell which never happens with goodberry. At best you would only get the healing bonus when you conjure 10 berries. RAW you should get zero bonus.
"Whenever you cast a spell using your alchemist's supplies as the spellcasting focus, you gain a bonus to one roll of the spell. "
Restorative Reagents wouldn't work at all with the spell.
"Whenever a creature drinks an experimental elixir you created, the creature gains temporary hit points equal to 2d6 + your Intelligence modifier (minimum of 1 temporary hit point)."
@@Oniphire that jives with 90% of 5e, as they don't want spells getting multiple uses out of bonus effects.
I also reread the healing reagents ability thing, it does get the bonus from alchemist savant but the temp health seems to only be for the elixirs they make.
Last vid you covered this I said I nerf it because of it's survivability aspect by the material component being consumed after use. You replied to my comment saying that this was bad and that I should instead just remove the nourishment aspect all together. I then replied asking why this was preferential to my adjustment. I dont think you replied, at least I never saw it, so I ask again... why you see that as more balanced?
I also should emphasize that it allows for foraging of mistletoe to be readily available in hospitable climates where survival is less emphasized while being unavailable in inhospitable environments where tracking supplies and food would be more important.
I can't remember my argument. I think I changed my mind lol. I don't mind what you do I'm just against banning at this phase.
@@PackTactics Thanks. Also love you your vids. Keep up the good work :)
I love this spell but not as a warlock. Takes away one arrow from my quiver of endlessly pestering the party for a short rest lol
When I ran a survival campaign, I only had the spell consume the components to have the players scramble to find a source of it
zeebeshaw suggested making the spell consume its material component when cast as a way to nerf for survival campaigns/scenarios.
the softban of the spell for surviving games me and my dm use is that the goodberry has a M components of 10 berry (which the spell transform into GOODberries) which the spell consume (and YOU literally consume it), so you need to have a pouch of berry and do gather them if you want 100 goodberry for everyday
Life Cleric Warlock Multiclass is about to go hard
By RaW *Disciple of Life* does nothing for *Goodberry* for the same reason an effect that boosts your fire damage does not boost the fire damage of summoned elementals. You are not healing directly, but making an item that heals when consumed.
Yes, I know aboot the Crawford tweet, he gets RaW wrong all the time. Most notably saying that Paladins can't smite-punch despite *Divine Smite* specifying a "Melee weapon attack" which punches in fact are by RaW.
media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/SA_Compendium_1.02.pdf Go here, Press ctrl F and type "Good berry".
You will find:
"If I’m a cleric/druid with the Disciple of Life feature, does the goodberry spell benefit from the feature? Yes. The Disciple of Life feature would make each berry restore 4 hit points, instead of 1, assuming you cast goodberry with a 1st-level spell slot."
I agree, but its also not something I particularly care about.
Its not like the feature changes how the spell is used or makes it viable for in-combat
Its like, oh man. Hes got berries that heal 4 HP with an action. Considering how many Berries you get from a Rest, all Disc of Life does is make it take less time to heal out of combat.
Taking a few turns instead of a minute to heal back up doesn't usually matter. So If they want to take a cleric level to make them have better out of combat healing, I'm fine with that
The Synergy with Healing Spirit is much better anyway
@@PackTactics I'm talking aboot what's written in the books, not Crawford's mangling of what's written.
Funnily and sadly enough, it works by RaW. Look at how the feature is worded.
"Whenever you **use** a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points equal to 2 + the spell’s level."
Compare it to the level 6 life domain feature:
"When you **cast** a spell of 1st level or higher that restores hit points to a creature other than you, you regain hit points equal to 2 + the spell’s level."
Difference being **use** and **cast**. I am definitely not casting Goodberry for the 1st level feature, but I am most certainly using a spell. Consuming a pre-cast Goodberry does count as using a spell.
I mean, I myself hate it and Goodberry juggling, but sadly it really does work.
I don't agree with the ruling that Smite punches doesn't work. But the wording of Divine Smite does refer to a weapon.
"you can expend one spell slot to deal radiant damage to the target, in addition to the *weapon’s* damage."
So looking at it hard RAW, if there is no weapon to add on the radiant damage to, divine smite would deal 0 radiant damage when you punch. I don't like that it's ruled this way, but that's RAW for ya.
I consider the nourishment part of the spell like a Multi Vitamin with 2-4k of calories. Generally fine if you are a hard working Adventurer who has to march long distance, fight, and camp everyday to consume multiple a day. But eat it as a snack while doing nothing, and you might have a diet problem.
Informative as usual but ngl the best part is "But Kobold..."
A good nerf to good berry is making it eat up it's material components. That's how our group plays it in Tomb of Annhihalation and I'm a big fan since mistle toe doesn't naturally grow in a jungle like Chult but can still be bought from vendors in the nearby port city Nyanzaru.
We got 2 springs of mistle toe as jokers up our sleeve and if we want more we either need to find someone traveling through the jungle or use additional spell slots on animal messanger or smth.
As a druid, I don't like to Goodberry juggle because I have to ask myself, "Is this healthy for the game? I'm I power gaming and abusing this spell?" Even if it's RAW, I have to consider this. You could use good berries at its maximum potiental. A long rest is 8 hours, so after spending all your spell slots on good berries, it's possible you may have a lot left over for the next adventuring day to use. And if multi-classed as a life cleric, a single spell slot may equal to 30-40 worth of out of combat healing, totaling around 300-400 non-combat healing if you had 10 spend slots before a long rest. And you may still have good berries from the other day.
It's a problem because it makes traps and consequences that involve taking damage out of combat irrelevant. And worst of all, it's basically FREE! If it inflicts nasty conditions where it hinders a character's ability checks and fighting capabilities sure. I highly recommend introducing Goodberry juggling to your DM first before doing it outta nowhere in-game.
EDIT: I do Juggle Goodberries, but not to such extremes.
And remember kids, communication with your table is the most important part to ensure everyone, including the DM, is having fun
The life cleric thing makes all the difference. Normal goodberries are fine, but disciple of life goodberries are broken and are bad for the game. Also they should not work RAW. I don't care what JC says.
Afaik Life cleric doesnt work with goodberry because it requires die rolls to improve while GBs heal a fixed amount
@@carloscostacox no, it does not require rolls to be made. No one will dispute that Heal gets the Disciple of Life bonus. The reason goodberry doesn't work, is that the spell doesn't directly restore any hp. It creates berries and those berries restore HP. By the time you are consuming the berries, the spell is over (duration instantaneous). It would be like casting the spell Creation to make a healers kit, and then saying that the healers kit should also benefit from disciple of life.
@@carloscostacox It works. Sage Advice.
0:41
HAhAHaha Challange accepted puny small folk!
DM i was with had a survival setting where goodberry's nerf was "the spell consumes its material components".
Survival its not only getting food, but cost vs healing options are survival aspect too
For survival games, just require a new sprig of mistletoe for each casting, making sprigs of mistletoe one of the most sought after items in the game and worth a small fortune. Alternatively, simply make it provide enough nourishment to avoid starvation, but still earn a point towards earning exhaustion. Too many points and you gain a point of exhaustion. This allows for more grey, like wearing a sweater when a winter coat would be better is still better than a swimsuit. Eating a well balanced meal is better than cheap rations or a goodberry.
Could you talk about Tasha's summoning spells, please ?
1:51 pro move play an elf or some other creature that has a shortened long rest and have even more time for your berries to stay around
Over the course of the campaign, I would develop a curse for players that over utilized the smell. Toward the end, they would find that they can only find nourishment from magical sources. Sort of like Gale from boulders gate three. But a little tweaked.
@Professor Thinker I’m sorry, is my story-based idea not valid enough in a game where collaborative storytelling is the focus? Am I a monster because I’m thinking in terms of game-world consequences to a repeated action?
@Professor Thinker you’re a player who wants to win. You seem to think I’m saying I would give them some incredible disadvantage by having a curse of that sort.
I’m not interested in your negative perspective.
@Professor Thinker it’s not one-sided, and it’s not punishment. Get real.
@Professor Thinker holy cow you are dense. Go away.
I use this spell for my Kuo-Toa Cleric (who is a Druid right now; multiclassing once I level up) as a substitute for Cure Wounds, leaning on Goodberry to heal out of combat and Healing Word to heal during combat. And if I don't use them up, I give them out to the poor as blessings from my deity. So it's always a win-win. 😎
With your 4th Level slots you can cast "Conjure Woodland Beings" choose 2x CR 1 (Only Basic Monster Manual option is ... Dryad)
Each Dryad can cast 3x Goodberries = 60 Berries
Best 4th Level healing spell + They hang out with you for an hour
There is a problem in my party that does have a good berry druid, a life cleric, a paladin, and a wizard with a transfer life spell, and a warlock hexblade, that we seldom need to take short rests because of the massive amount of healing we have but the chanel divinities and warlock spell slots are needed for the paladin and warlock.
My favorite part of goodberry is that it works with Life Cleric. Level 1 spell slot = 40 hit points.
Honestly the more you talk up how amazing and good the healing is from using goodberries this way, the more compelled I feel to homebrew away the hp gain. I don't really see a game where the DM wants to ban goodberries because the nourishment takes away from the survival aspect of the game, but would be totally fine with a druid or such carrying around several healthpotions worth of free, magical healing conjured every night and circumventing the use of hit dice.
@Professor Thinker yeah I guess that's one judgemental way to look at it. It's not like wotc highly encourages players to play by their own rules, make up their own optional rules and whatnot, allows and encourages the dnd community to make up entire books of homebrew, creates books of expansion content that they say check with your dm if you can have these things, etc. You have to play exactly by what the book says, 100% rules as written, and there's no options within the source books at all.
Can you take a look at the new Dragon Spells from the Fizban Book? I’m particularly interested in the Summon Draconic Spirit spell since it’s the only summoning spell Sorceress get. Also, I’d like to hear your opinion on Synaptic Static and the Mind Sliver cantrip
I have a halfing life cleric/celestial warlock build.
This make the best healer/buffer ever.
Keep them buffed with Inspiring leader / lw5 Aid spell
Celestial feature to heal 1d6 from a far .
Lw5 goodbery carried by your invisible imp that feeds them to the players.
+2 strong lw 5 spells for damager or max heal.
That would get you a permanent 25-40 life because you can keep it most of the time with the short rest .
And the heals are not the strongest but you have them in bulk so no death saves.
Circle of the stars Druid and Life Cleric multiclass. Make goodberries the day prior and hand them out. use wildshape to take the chalice form to give someone withing 30ft 1d8+Wis anytime you use a spell that heals someone. O and also have healing spirit up.
So in combat if someone eats a goodberry they gain the hp from goodberry and additional hp from your life Cleric side, as a result you gain healing from life Cleric side and choose someone else to heal with the druid circle. If that player also walks through the healing spirit, the same thing would happen, they get heals with additional heals, you get healed and choose another player to heal.
You could also just sit back and munch on some goodberries yourself to use the druid ability and get basically a free cure wounds at a distance without using a slot for that current day 😉
Good berry isn't a healing spell. It's a spell that creates a healing item and then ends. The berries are not a spell.
@@larkohiya "it's a spell that creates a healing item." So.. a spell that heals 🤷♂️. Disciple of life says when you use a spell to restore hit points to a creature, those berries came from your use of a spell.
It is up to your table in how you'd use it 🤷♂️ even Jeremy Crawford, the lead rules designer, has stated on two different occasions that he believes good berry to work with disciple of life feature.
Honestly I would too, I don't see a problem with allowing them to use it that way 🤷♂️. Is it a lot of healing, yes but that also means you can go harder on them. More counter spells, more ruthless enemies, etc. If they want to expend all of their slots and actions just to heal and nothing else. Let em 🤷♂️
And if you use Goodberry while taking a class in Life Cleric, you can add +2 plus the spell level! Meaning they heal even more!
then go warlock and cast the goodberry at level 5 that gives you 7 hp per berry
And I shall now refer to this video whenever anyone asks why I ban goodberry as if it doesn't exist.
Another Ranger nerf lol.
@@PackTactics Meh, i buff rangers by giving them the Scan ability anyways, aka when used properly they have access to monster statblocks.
@@MrPuffer69 Thats probably a good thing if you brew monsters to make sure the DM isn't cheating. I'm not saying you are but thats how I read it. I always have a calculator in my hand in fights.
And for some reason, I still see Cure Wounds more often than any other healing spell.
I'd homebrew that casting the spell consumes the material component itself. Suggested by Zee bashew in his old video.
Honestly, if I was DM-ing a campaign where a druid player did this, my first move would probably be to have a random encounter during the night before they've had a chance to complete their long rest (I already sometimes do this anyway). No nerfing. Completely raw. Good luck helping the party having burned ALL your high level spell slots on goodberry.
Also, just in general, if your druid has all or most of their slots left by the time the party is ready to long rest, you're probably not balancing encounters to be very brutal anyway.
Crawford has ruled that a character can administer a goodberry to an unconscious creature. Potentially a familiar could force a berry down someone's throat. Essentially there is no need for cure wounds or healing word most of the time.
For survival setting I just make gathering the berries a survival check. You’re going to have a hard time finding blueberries in an endless winter of Icewind Dale. The spell fully works, just the material component is hard to get.
So I know you did a video on the gloomstalker. Could you do one on the new drakewarden at some point?
I don't ban goodberry, I just make it consume it's material component. I think it actually adds to the survival challenge. Now you want to find as much mistletoe as you can because of it's utility. It forces you to act rather than be comfortable, without detracting from the spells strength.
Side note thay elves can get 2 long rests in 8 hours if you already used all your spell slots or you can judt double the amount of berry's
Thank you for making this and even more so for NOT making it about taking a Life Cleric dip!
Hey kobold what's your opinion on Shadow blade?
On the enough one can assume that goodberry being a spell just know how many calories you need, even when the number is close to 0 because you just ate one.
Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense since a big goliath and a small gnome would need a very different amount of calories. If we assume goodberry knows once then at the second berry it just know that you just have to replenish the calories needed to eat a berry
Kobold, what's your opinion on Animate Dead? And what's the mathematical sweet spot on undead controlled vs spell slots used?
Another way to nerf Goodberry for survival campaigns is something I came across when watching an Animated Spellbook video: Consume the component on-cast. Every time you cast Goodberry, your material component (a sprig of mistletoe) is consumed, thus resulting in the need to roll Survival checks in order to forage for more. Since the material component is consumed, the cost can no longer be replaced by, let's say, a Druidic Focus. If the DM thinks the party's becoming too reliant on Goodberry, he can simply increase the scarcity of mistletoe in the area, thus resulting in higher Survival rolls needed.