I'd first start the engine and seat heating and then would go scraping ice from windows. This way you'd get a warm seat right from the beginning of the actual ride and the engine gets extra 5-10 minutes of a softer warm-up cycle, w/o load from driving. Some oldies say that this way the engine lives a somewhat longer life, but who knows :)
@@maximilianschober4240 That's true, a modern diesel engine won't build up any significant temperature while idling. Moreover, long idling on an under-heated engine leads to excessive amount of soot, acids and even water that dilutes oil. However, a moderate standing warm-up (~1-5 mins) lets the engine build up oil pressure properly, not to say about the gearbox. Any oil in -20C is not as liquid as water, so it takes time to lower its viscosity in order to properly lubricate all the needed things. That's why in such cold conditions, having no auxiliary heater, I prefer to let the engine idle at least 2 minutes before driving. That seems to me as a fair balance between the harm of driving the unlubricated engine and harm from under-heated engine idling.
@@dvmavgoor That is still not the correct way to do it. Oil pressure is there right from the get go, there is no reason to wait for it. Regarding the oil argument, all you do with standing with the idle warm up is to run the engine for a longer period of time under non optimal oil conditions. Get it, start the car, wait a few seconds and take of. That way you will achieve a suitable working temperature and oil state quicker. 2 Minutes idle doesn't do much to the oil in those conditions, it barely heats up, and you go about your day. Meaning every time you drive your car, you drive it about 2 minutes longer under non optimal conditions then neccessary.
@@Mr0supra0 I don't want to play a smart-ass here, this is not the right platform. But normally it takes only one good old oil leak from engine's rear seal to realize that your oil in -20C is not that liquid, in -30C it's even more like butter. It of course depends on the climate you live in, no doubts, in mine (winter is -25C for 3 months) it's almost inevitable to have your seals leaking during cold starts. Every 2-3 years you have to pay money to replace crankshaft seals, and this job is pretty expensive. People noticed, that having a car warmed up a little bit before driving reduces the chance of leaks. Pre-heating the engine with a block or auxiliary heater reduces the chance almost to 0. And the reason for that is oil viscosity, not that seals are of bad quality. The oil pressure sensor has also downsides: it's located in the main oil galley which is huge and builds up pressure fast. But smaller oil channels that are clogged with "jelled" oil are not immediately pressurized. This oil jelly barely squeezes through thin channels and hardly lubricates any bearing. This is one of the major factors of excessive engine wear-out in cold climates such as in Russia. Most modern petrol engines in cold climates by the time they hit 200.000km have almost totally destroyed bearings, crankshafts and oil pumps if they were not pre-heated. Diesels are more robust due to their nature, but not un-destroyable either.
It’s an amazing engine, my dad has one in hes S class(w222). Most of the time you can’t even hear that the car has an engine it’s like going on clouds, Love the S class👏🏻
When driving longer journeys in winter so that the engine and the transmission warm up properly, the consumption goes down to normal summer time figures of 4.something litres / 100 km (in 4 cylinder RWD). The trick is, the lower winter time speed limits (at least over here on the Finnish side of The Gulf) compensate for the higher rolling resistance of winter tyres on snowy road. Kudos to MB212, please keep the videos rolling. Thumbs up!
Hello sir I have a Mercedes w212 e250 cdi 2012 every time I start the car it shows me ( front left malfunction consult workshop) on the dashboard ) I don’t understand what’s the issue with the car ? Is there any solution?? Many thanks 🙏
Heya. E550 driver here. I read about the driver icy front window "bug" in a big german forum, that it may help if you put down the car sun visor, so that the warm air can circulate longer between the visor and the windshield. I would be really interested if you could test that out for us 😃 👍
I would not consider the sun visor an issue, as in such conditions one needs to wear sun glasses anyway. However, it is true that at least in pre-facelift W212, the Thermatic fails to take full load of 4 - 5 people in cold temperatures into account correctly. Even if I pre-heat the car before starting, the wind screen starts to freeze gradually from the top corners in cold weather. One can compensate this by manual settings (more fan speed, more air on the screen and close the center air vents) but it means the configuration of the Thermatic automatic heating is a bit off for cooler temperatures well below -20 or so.
Interesting. I have a 2014 E350 Bluetec (facelift) with the 7gt (just before they started using the 9gt). I get 5.2l/100km at that speeds during summer.
@@ADRIANCIMPIAN There is no way it is that high on the highway. On the highway driving at a constant speed of 120km/h over a 1400km trip, I averaged 5.2l/100kms. It is excellent.
Man, Your engine doens't get to operating temperatures, I think you will be better suited with a gasoline engine, then a diesel. Unless your temostat is not working properly.
It's even worse with 4-cylinder diesel in the same car. I have got thermostatically controlled air flow shutters in my W212, but since unlike in the newer W213, they are only after the cooler, I usually block the lower air vent when changing to winter tyres. When the winter starts for real, then I block also the upper air vent (almost) completely, leave just a thin open gap between the lowest slates of the traditional Mercedes grille behind the extra LED-panel.
Poor diesel it cant get to operating temperature in ice cold conditions due to the fact that u cant drive that hard on frozen/snowy roads. And when i saw after a 2 minute idle the temp got even lower :D
Please use anti-ice spray, for example from Sonax. Please don't scratch the nice windows! :-) Very nice videos! Thank you for that! :-) Maybe you can make a video how to handle free hands phone voice quality problems (new mic necessary?).
Actually is really rare I use the ice scraper, usually I always have the auxiliary heater heat up the car before leaving. But is when doing video is more nice to cold start it for the show ; ) I actually don’t know much about that, never had issue with it.
You will see it after two years scratching, when the sun will blend you in winter times. As we are both car lovers, I would not like to have scratches on the glass. 🙂 With the heater you have of course no issues! 🙂 I think you would safe more fuel if you would use the heater always instead of cold start, aren’t you?
Ahh this steering wheel... I can imagine how cold does he is 🤣. Hmm.. and this window freezing issue.. in my ride it never happened.. i'm now in french Alps where we have also about -15, 2 persons inside the car and no such kind of effect at all... strange
I see I see. I like the way you are enjoying your car. In my car also love testing things like you do. For example from time to time (in winter I'm using webasto always) I'm opening the hood up and checking after aux heater run if engine block are warm ;) .
Haha true! But actually the auxiliary heater doing the work great, car is warm and good to go! But when doing video like this is more fun to have the car icy and cold ☺️
It looks so amazing when the sun rises in this frozen area!🤗
Really loved the Video!👌😊
Thanks friend. It was a lovely day to drive really happy I had free day from my normal work 🔥
I'd first start the engine and seat heating and then would go scraping ice from windows. This way you'd get a warm seat right from the beginning of the actual ride and the engine gets extra 5-10 minutes of a softer warm-up cycle, w/o load from driving. Some oldies say that this way the engine lives a somewhat longer life, but who knows :)
Don’t do that. Engines are not made for heating up while standing
@@maximilianschober4240 That's true, a modern diesel engine won't build up any significant temperature while idling. Moreover, long idling on an under-heated engine leads to excessive amount of soot, acids and even water that dilutes oil. However, a moderate standing warm-up (~1-5 mins) lets the engine build up oil pressure properly, not to say about the gearbox. Any oil in -20C is not as liquid as water, so it takes time to lower its viscosity in order to properly lubricate all the needed things. That's why in such cold conditions, having no auxiliary heater, I prefer to let the engine idle at least 2 minutes before driving. That seems to me as a fair balance between the harm of driving the unlubricated engine and harm from under-heated engine idling.
@@dvmavgoor That is still not the correct way to do it. Oil pressure is there right from the get go, there is no reason to wait for it. Regarding the oil argument, all you do with standing with the idle warm up is to run the engine for a longer period of time under non optimal oil conditions. Get it, start the car, wait a few seconds and take of. That way you will achieve a suitable working temperature and oil state quicker. 2 Minutes idle doesn't do much to the oil in those conditions, it barely heats up, and you go about your day. Meaning every time you drive your car, you drive it about 2 minutes longer under non optimal conditions then neccessary.
@@Mr0supra0 I don't want to play a smart-ass here, this is not the right platform. But normally it takes only one good old oil leak from engine's rear seal to realize that your oil in -20C is not that liquid, in -30C it's even more like butter. It of course depends on the climate you live in, no doubts, in mine (winter is -25C for 3 months) it's almost inevitable to have your seals leaking during cold starts. Every 2-3 years you have to pay money to replace crankshaft seals, and this job is pretty expensive. People noticed, that having a car warmed up a little bit before driving reduces the chance of leaks. Pre-heating the engine with a block or auxiliary heater reduces the chance almost to 0. And the reason for that is oil viscosity, not that seals are of bad quality. The oil pressure sensor has also downsides: it's located in the main oil galley which is huge and builds up pressure fast. But smaller oil channels that are clogged with "jelled" oil are not immediately pressurized. This oil jelly barely squeezes through thin channels and hardly lubricates any bearing. This is one of the major factors of excessive engine wear-out in cold climates such as in Russia. Most modern petrol engines in cold climates by the time they hit 200.000km have almost totally destroyed bearings, crankshafts and oil pumps if they were not pre-heated. Diesels are more robust due to their nature, but not un-destroyable either.
@@maximilianschober4240 LOL
It’s an amazing engine, my dad has one in hes S class(w222). Most of the time you can’t even hear that the car has an engine it’s like going on clouds, Love the S class👏🏻
Consumption city?
@@RallyVozac 12l/100
what a beautifull but cruel weather and temperature! Thanks for sharing these insights! :)
Its a good idea to start the car before you clear the outside so the car warms up simultaneously
Más hermoso, no puede ser. Antes de morir, me gustaría tener un E350 W212 V6 !!!!!!
When driving longer journeys in winter so that the engine and the transmission warm up properly, the consumption goes down to normal summer time figures of 4.something litres / 100 km (in 4 cylinder RWD). The trick is, the lower winter time speed limits (at least over here on the Finnish side of The Gulf) compensate for the higher rolling resistance of winter tyres on snowy road.
Kudos to MB212, please keep the videos rolling. Thumbs up!
Alışkanlık oldu her akşam izlemek 👍👏
Man I could never be able to survive in those conditions.
Seriously! And the fact the Sweden -10 of -15 degree is more colder then my place 🥶
My car on that temperature will show no less than 10-12😆
Hello sir I have a Mercedes w212 e250 cdi 2012 every time I start the car it shows me ( front left malfunction consult workshop) on the dashboard ) I don’t understand what’s the issue with the car ? Is there any solution?? Many thanks 🙏
Heya. E550 driver here. I read about the driver icy front window "bug" in a big german forum, that it may help if you put down the car sun visor, so that the warm air can circulate longer between the visor and the windshield.
I would be really interested if you could test that out for us 😃 👍
Interesting I definitely going to test it out later on 👍
I would not consider the sun visor an issue, as in such conditions one needs to wear sun glasses anyway. However, it is true that at least in pre-facelift W212, the Thermatic fails to take full load of 4 - 5 people in cold temperatures into account correctly. Even if I pre-heat the car before starting, the wind screen starts to freeze gradually from the top corners in cold weather. One can compensate this by manual settings (more fan speed, more air on the screen and close the center air vents) but it means the configuration of the Thermatic automatic heating is a bit off for cooler temperatures well below -20 or so.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to clean the windscreen before driving?
Hi what is the fuel consumtion for yor car, and cand i ask you if it is 4matic?
it is important to stop every 20m and check under the hood if the engine is still there
Nice video, you could add some cinematic shots 😊
That’s a great idea 🙏
Is it normal that your revs go higher in the winter? But if you turn your ac off they go back to normal
Is it some facelift thing with the parking sensor beeeeep when starting the car? I had not this in my old pre facelift 🙄
How do you solve the issue of a from the inside frozen windshield?
In summertime my 250CDI 9gt. 400km in 120-130km/h. 5,7l/100km. I´m quite pleased with that.
I got about the same on my e250 42mpg highway and 28-30 mpg city
Interesting. I have a 2014 E350 Bluetec (facelift) with the 7gt (just before they started using the 9gt). I get 5.2l/100km at that speeds during summer.
@@SDav21 i never heard of that fuel consomption same car 8l/100 km.
@@ADRIANCIMPIAN There is no way it is that high on the highway. On the highway driving at a constant speed of 120km/h over a 1400km trip, I averaged 5.2l/100kms. It is excellent.
Man, Your engine doens't get to operating temperatures, I think you will be better suited with a gasoline engine, then a diesel. Unless your temostat is not working properly.
It's even worse with 4-cylinder diesel in the same car. I have got thermostatically controlled air flow shutters in my W212, but since unlike in the newer W213, they are only after the cooler, I usually block the lower air vent when changing to winter tyres. When the winter starts for real, then I block also the upper air vent (almost) completely, leave just a thin open gap between the lowest slates of the traditional Mercedes grille behind the extra LED-panel.
What tires do you use? And what is the size?
Poor diesel it cant get to operating temperature in ice cold conditions due to the fact that u cant drive that hard on frozen/snowy roads. And when i saw after a 2 minute idle the temp got even lower :D
You really don't wanna have Your car break down on the highway in those kinda temperatures! ^^
What city is this?
Somwhere near Sthlm?
what the lowest fuel consumption you achieved ?
Why windscreen is frozing?
It s 4 matic?
tip: start the engine first then remove the frost
no
You will love this video when you watch it in high speed .
Had to try it 🙃
Consumption looks good 👍🏼
What towns did you drive through that had such low temperatures?
this is kiruna in northern sweden
@@amiman.yesiam.8791 Thanx,This Mercedes has some kind of heater for heating the coolant?
Nice Video, is this a 4 Matic or RWD?
4matic 👍
Nice video! Which part of Sweden has -31,5°c?
Northern (Kiruna) also as you could see it was only -15 in town and outside is really common is around -30 during the winter.
Please use anti-ice spray, for example from Sonax. Please don't scratch the nice windows! :-)
Very nice videos! Thank you for that! :-)
Maybe you can make a video how to handle free hands phone voice quality problems (new mic necessary?).
Actually is really rare I use the ice scraper, usually I always have the auxiliary heater heat up the car before leaving. But is when doing video is more nice to cold start it for the show ; )
I actually don’t know much about that, never had issue with it.
It's pretty hard to scratch glass with a plastic ice scraper
You will see it after two years scratching, when the sun will blend you in winter times. As we are both car lovers, I would not like to have scratches on the glass. 🙂
With the heater you have of course no issues! 🙂 I think you would safe more fuel if you would use the heater always instead of cold start, aren’t you?
@@silimarina. You leave some small scratches. After some time you see it.
That’s right I use the heater all winter only time I not use if they battery get to low or I forgot to but is not happen often.
Nice video, where are you from?
Good grip on ice roads
Ahh this steering wheel... I can imagine how cold does he is 🤣.
Hmm.. and this window freezing issue.. in my ride it never happened.. i'm now in french Alps where we have also about -15, 2 persons inside the car and no such kind of effect at all... strange
Sooner or later I need to make this retrofit hehe. Hmm I had it so far on the 2012, 2015 and this current 2014 model.
@@MB212G retrofit is obvious:)
Which tyres do you use?
Nokian with the studs
at 100 km/h at 1800 rpm are you in 7th gear ? or 6th
Look at the bottom of the speedo it will say D something like D6 is sixth gear
@@roberts7961 yap ita 6th cudent see on the phone
8,9L/100km with 64km/h average as 4x4 V6 3,5 Diesel is low
I have a 2012 c 350 cdi 265 ps 6.5 liter 100km
Why not warm up your engine before the ride. Till the end it never got over 80
Why not to turn on aux heater before drive?
More fun for the test purposes, but I should make with auxiliary heater next time and see how much different the consumption are.
I see I see. I like the way you are enjoying your car. In my car also love testing things like you do. For example from time to time (in winter I'm using webasto always) I'm opening the hood up and checking after aux heater run if engine block are warm ;) .
Webasto?
Yess I have it, but did not use it before making this video 😎
This temperature will kill a car
U need a new ice remover for the windows🤪
Haha true! But actually the auxiliary heater doing the work great, car is warm and good to go! But when doing video like this is more fun to have the car icy and cold ☺️
WTF what are you doing??? wait 10min. and you will have clean windows!, please stop scraping a windows, its not a logan dude...
😂😂😂