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I thought it was shit,, but that goes for WandaVision, Loki, Hawkeye, and the falcon and winter soldier terrible. Terrible terrible and the other ones are so bad they can’t be mentioned shit. No respect for the source material. They forget that’s why people like these characters. Not the characters that they think they invented.
The main problem of this series is New Asgard, where aliens live peacefully on erth and cause no threat. Why do scrulls live in Russia and America, where they are considered to be a threat, instead of living in New Asgard?
this is what I also think cause in endgame they jumped from 2019 to 5 years and they could have make it real by coming back on 2024 with a new story aligning up to the current time we have, now we just dont know where we at in MCU.
That would never galen because then they'd be leaving 3-4 years of potential profits and new fans for what? Keeping up with the universe in real time which is cool? Manufactured hype? It's also a much safer bet to keep playing the hot hand after Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Endgamd and Far From Home all made a billion.
@@navonmyhand7999 yeh and look at them now. There's more supply than demand which is killing the mcu. People don't care anymore. They should care more about longevity and less about short term profits
Unpopular opinion: Mcu has never been good. Non Disney Marvel movies and shows like the Netflix Punisher, Daredevil, Agents of Shield, Raimi/ Tasm Spider-man and X-Men are far better
I have zero faith The Marvels or Loki season 2 is gonna get things back on track. And then after that, it's Echo, Ironheart, and Agatha.. all projects that will likely be at the very least divisive if not panned. It's looking very bleak...
Agatha is honestly going to be a masterpiece mark my words! The cast is iconic, and the show has the same writers as WandaVision. Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez are returning with some more theme songs, and the show is confirmed to basically be WandaVision season 2. I've never been more excited for another show in my life!
@@daltonmeadesmith So the whole series is gonna be a musical? Eh, it will woo over the theater jackoffs so much, but it will be meh the rest of the population.
A while ago, I was hopeful that the MCU was going to get people enthusiastic about it again. I was hopeful that Marvel, Feige, and Disney had been listening to the criticisms of Phase 4 and would correct those failings given enough time. Even if the corporate suits at these companies didn't care, I had faith that Feige cared, because he seems like he genuinely loves the comics and wants to do them justice on the big screen. The occasional success like No Way Home, Moon Knight, and GotG 3 gave me some bit of hope that the ship would steady and get back on course. But I'm not hopeful anymore. Everything is falling apart. Phase 5 was supposed to open with our first big look at the new big villain of the MCU. And what did we get? Ant-Man 3. Probably the worst movie in the entirety of the MCU to date. A movie where Kang, supposedly the next Thanos, is treated like a generic bland villain and gets taken out by ants and a giant head who spouts lines like "My name is Darren and I am not a dick." After Ant-Man, Gotg 3 restored SOME of my faith, but I knew in the back of my mind that it was only good because of James Gunn, and that he was going to be gone after this. So, I was hopeful, or rather desperately optimistic, that Secret Invasion would be the next Winter Soldier, and would bring people back on board to loving (or at least being interested in) the MCU again. But those hopes have been dashed. Secret Invasion had one of the worst opening episodes I've ever seen for a Disney+ series, maybe as bad or even worse than She-hulk, leading into a season that was overall adequate at BEST, ending in a finale that was just downright insulting. Chalk this up with the fact that the next few shows AND movies in the MCU lineup don't seem to be exciting ANYONE, as well as the fact that the MCU's big main baddie is now embattled in a huge domestic abuse scandal, and I don't think the franchise can survive at this point. Some people think the SAG-AFTRA strike might make things worse, or better, but personally, I think it's happened too late for it to have any noticeable difference now. I'm so dejected. I loved the MCU. I've stuck with it ever since I was in middle school. I remember the days when people used to get excited over each new release and flooded the theaters to see them. With only a couple exceptions, I haven't seen anyone that excited for a new MCU release since Endgame. I even defended Phase 4 through most of its ups and downs, because I believed that SOMEONE high up at these companies would step in and see enthusiasm dipping and say "we need to do something to get people excited again!" But no. We've had three years-THREE GODDAMN YEARS-of half-assed mediocrity, both on the big screen and the small one. It's inexcusable now. They've had plenty of time. They've had plenty of chances. And now, I don't think they even care if their movies and shows stop making money. It's clear they have some bs Wall Street workaround to still make bank off of failing properties, and that's all they care about. It genuinely makes me furious. I hate these corporate pigs so much. We could have had something extraordinary! The Multiverse Saga could have been something tremendous, it could have been something never before done in the history of cinema, and it would have been such an AMAZING social experience! But no. Corporate greed killed it, like it kills everything else good in this world. Capitalism ruins art, folks. It may be a trite statement, but it's damn true. And don't ever let anyone tell you any different.
I can understand most of your sentiment, but the issue isn’t all just capitalism. There was plenty of capitalism involved with the MCU during its heyday. Those films made tons of money. The new ones are not. The issue has a lot of layers. Some of the decline in quality has to do with oversaturation. But a lot of it has to do with poor storytelling and an overemphasis on woke politics. People just aren’t that excited about these new characters like they were the classic ones. There’s more to be said (and I’m very much against crony capitalism). It’s just a bigger problem than that.
you’re absolutely right. i remember watching the trailers of infinity war, endgame, spider-man homecoming, and every marvel movie since 2014 during class. i remember being excited for it too, i remember defending cgi or plot holes like they were the hill i would die on. i was, and still am, a diehard marvel fan. but im not excited about marvel anymore. the movie ideas they have don’t bring joy. i remember crying with joy over the news that i would be seeing age of ultron in theatres, ranting about it every day to my weary teachers and classmates. i remember my love for marvel.
@@MichaelRobinson-nu8zl Samuel was blipped with her. Infinity War or Thanos gets a glove was after Civil War or Winter Soldier killed my dad and mom revenge plot.
It seems like the formula for every MCU show is to tease the audience with a genre, then meander for 5 episodes until everything fizzles out in a finale that resolves everything with CGI people punching each other.
The biggest Part of the MCI success was the wait for the next piece of the puzzle when u add tv shows and over saturate you take away that break in between.
It's even better when they keep making films 3/4 months apart and they give you puzzles but once you wasted 2 years collecting them you see they're not even for the same puzzle, you got like 8 different puzzle pieces for 4 different puzzle sets. And it's even better you got to wait another 6 years to finish 1 of the 4 puzzle sets.
And also try and make shows that are not important to the movies or the world so you don’t have to bother watching them in turn makes them more wasteful
Imagine if this had been done by the succession team? Deep, meaty conflicts, regret, trust issues, sneaky behaviour and lots of tension. Instead we get a true waste of potential and cast talent. Gutted.
Nope, the showrunner literally came from Mr. Robot. This is probably a case of micromanaging of the project, remember when it recently came out that because Bob Iger ordered them to make so much content for Disney+, Kevin Feige didn't have the time to do quality control on the content anymore, so executives have been telling these showrunners what to do instead?
I wish Nick being a father figure to Gravik wud have bin explored & emphasized more. Also if they just stuck to the 4samples, making the dna Kool-aid was overkill not only for the series but for the universe altogether
Well if you think about it...Nick fullfilled everything a Black dad would to his son...went to buy a pack of cigarettes, came back 20 years later, looked at his grown up son once, made "WTF" face, went back to his old ex-gf hooker and went for another pack of cigarettes and never saw his son again.
That would made the show. He did went to buy a pack, but when he came back. He said multiple times, you are my wife. He even accepted her true form, he just never cared. It was more the Snap, he couldn't accept.
Maybe but not entirely. It's hard to excuse when you choose to write illogical plots. I understand sub par quality but not illogical. Then there's also the fact you have tons of source material to draw upon and choose not to follow them at all.
What??? to quickly? this year they have been releasing stuff steadily, we don’t get another show and another movie till 5 months from now like wdym to quickly? lmao
Bruh they got rid of 2 of the core pre-Endgame heroes: Iron Man and Captain America. Those characters, along with Thor (which they gutted with L&T) represented the bedrock of the franchise leading up to every Avengers movie. You knew that we would get an Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor movie before the next Avengers (with Hulk showing up here), with some other ones sprinkled in. Instead of going with that TRIED AND TRUE FORMULA THAT IMO GRANTED THE MCU ITS HYPE LEADING UP TO ENDGAME, they completely abandoned it in favor of diversifying. I can understand why Disney Marvel did this. Maybe they experimented to try to find that bedrock cast to lead into the future. Doctor Strange could have been one, but then his second movie was basically all about characters besides himself... Black Widow, well her movie should have came out before Endgame. Completely irrelevant, and the worst part of this is one is that they tried to replace BW with a new one... Thereby reinforcing the commodification and/or undermining of these characters we've come to know and love. Marvel went too big after Endgame, which a lot of people probably predicted, and it's time for the franchise to shrink so that we can get back to the same grounded, intimate, complete stories that started the franchise: stories that imo were really kicked off with The Dark Knight and Iron Man.
The funniest thing is that there were people going on twitter and other platforms saying that Secret Invasion is the show that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. wish it could have been, only that the entire series was basically a poor take on the AOS:LMD season, I was left unfullfilled, I've been feeling that way since the Disney+ shows began to happen, none of these shows really have the kind of suspense that we got from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Defenders Series. If only someone like Coulson or Daisy Johnson appeared, and bring back S.H.I.E.L.D. into the MCU, then this series would have had some kind of backbone.
Secret Invasion doesn't hold a candle to any episodes or storylines of Agents of Shield. It did start out a little clunky, but by half way through season 1 it just kept getting better and better. It used both Maria Hill and Nick Fury much better than any of their scenes in Secret Invasion, which is just sad to think about. Such a disappointment.
I've watched AOS from season 1 t 5, and I still remembered that scene in season 4 with Daisy and Simmons, the paranoia between the 2, the distrust and desperation to determine if they are both legit or LMDs, the confirmation and relief that they are both legit, not to mention the top notch acting.
Ehh, I don't think actors will fix a script. They still have to read what writers make. Look at how disheveled the writers made Fury look in this show. Bringing back Coulson or Johnson would just tarnish the memory of those characters we still have, while at the same time possibly undermining their presence in that earlier content, like how we saw with Rhoades' character in Secret Invasion.
This show had a great possibility to have been a good espionage thriller. Instead, (I don't use this term lightly) it may have assassinated several characters and did devolve into another CGI battle fest. I was slack jawed with that last episode. And this comes from someone who unironically digs Eternals level MCU. I couldn't believe how crap this show was.
@@realityshifter3399 i think they just watched clips of the show on tiktok and couldn't find the other parts. also why listen to this dude he says he digs eternals.
The story line frm the show pales in comparison to the comic counterpart. Also, this show attempts a set up something for the future like all the last MCU stuff. Just setting up stuff with no follow up is just dumb. Atleast in early MCU, most set up were infinity saga oriented. Now, each set up is seemingly its own thing. The Mandarin rings and Kamala bangles' cosmic connection, Multiverse set up by a) Doc Strange, b) Loki show, c) What if series; Kang set up for the upcoming Avengers... Nothing is connected and no follow up is given. It's all gone to shit
@@mu2thehotnessWhat you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I think it's very unlikely that it will turn out Rhodes had been a Skrull for that long, a hospital gown is not something people wear that rarely in their lives, especially someone disabled of a certain age. As others have pointed out, the leg braces (that he's not wearing in Falcon and the Winter Soldier) are a better clue of when that change might have happened. But yeah, I agree that it was at the very least a bizarre choice to put him in a hospital gown of all things. Maybe it was meant to signify that he was kidnapped while under anesthesia for a procedure and therefore without access to his War Machine gear? It certainly left things a lot more ambiguous than they had to be at this point.
According to the director, he's been a Skrull since he was injured in Civil War. Meaning that he was a Skrull for longer than he was himself in the MCU timeline (MCU starts in 2008 - 2026 with civil war being in 2016)
@@VexdinLord The director's most revealing quote (that I could find, at least), was in a ComicBook interview where he said "I think his legs not working in the end of episode six and him being in the hospital gown points to [Captain America: Civil War]. And, from there, does it have to be definitive, or is it more fun for the audience to go back and revisit every moment, every Rhodey moment and look at it with a different lens now that they think, 'Oh, he might've been a Skrull there.' And make the decision for themselves, or it'll be answered in Armor Wars." When Insider asked whether he had a definitive answer to that question, he answered "No [...] for those definitive answers, I defer to Kevin Feige or I defer to the fans." So while I agree that he probably meant for the gown to indicate Rhodes had been a Skrull since the end of Civil War, he seems to be trying very hard to not commit to that. Whether that decision wasn't properly communicated to the higher-ups beforehand or they all realized only after the backlash how many contradictions it would create for the character, I do hope they use the ambiguity of the gown as an opportunity to not make that canon.
@@DodaGarcia I hope so too, since that would absolutely be the wrong move. I don't want all those moments Rhody had with Tony and the Avengers after Civil War to be some other character who, as it turns out, didn't really give a shit about any of them and wanted humanity to die.
It's crazy how the MCU has lost so many people's interest, including mine. The last MCU anything I watched in cinemas was Spiderman No Way Home, and GotG 3 is the only movie I'm interested in seeing eventually since. And for the MCU itself, there's been comparisons for it's current development to Marvel's back in the day with good reason. It doesn't seem that they learned from their mistakes but just took their time getting there.
GotG 3 was the last great movie from the MCU, but that's mainly because it's more of a James Gunn movie than an MCU movie. The corporate pigs kept their grubby greedy mitts off of it, because at that point Gunn was just too big of a name to fuck with, I guess. So he got to make an actual film as opposed to just an installment. But I think that was the last gasp of creative integrity from this studio. Definitely give it a watch-it's dark and mature and emotionally hard-hitting-basically, everything the current MCU no longer is.
Worst part of this is there's no chance to redeem it What's done is done Gorr never takes on the other gods and goddesses on screen Kang loses to an army of ants Rodey allegedly doesn't know that his best friend died (if he is indeed a skrull from civil war) Fury only became a director thanks to the skrulls Etc. These won't get a reboot so it can't be undone. What a waste of everything.
At this point, my relationship with the MCU feels like the sunk cost fallacy in its most distilled form. Every time they announce a new project, I know in my heart that it's going to let me down, but after 15 years i cant quite bring myself to stop watching.
I think the problem was that they abandoned the premise of the show almost immediately. Either that or it was a bait and switch the whole time. What I was expecting was a show that would keep me guessing as to who the skrulls were episode to episode. But what they delivered was more like 24 (but less tense). The question was never who the skrulls were, but how they were going to be stopped. The only time they really managed to keep the audience guessing was with Rhoadie, and a lot of people guessed it from the beginning, just by what a d*ck he was to Fury in the restaurant. So without that "Who are the skrulls?" hook, the whole thing becomes a generic "stop the bomb from going off" thriller, with some serum thrown in. The other problem was the small scale. I know they probably couldn't afford the salaries of the other Avenger actors, but that, too, lessened the tension. We didn't have to wonder if Sam or Bruce or Clint were skrulls. In the end, it didn't feel like much of an invasion, and it wasn't very secret.
The same thing happened with She-Hulk, we could've got a entertaining or clever story about how the MCU's legal system reacts to the existence people with superpowers. But instead we got an overly cynical show that was more preoccupied with being meta or ironic than to have actual substance.
The issue is that they are watering down the source material. Since Disney owns it, they have to appeal to a whole audience that kids can watch. Most these marvel storylines are mature, and watering it down and making it kid friendly. This has to be a wake up call so they can finally stop making things kid friendly and give us MA content. Watering down violent character like moon knight set my expectations that Daredevil, Blade, and the punisher will be watered down. If deadpool does very well there might be hope
Its fine having She Hulk, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye girl as kids girls programs but some Marvel must be for adults. The ones you mentioned need to be adult, and Agents of SHIELD managed the balance of Adult and Kids at the same time. Basically - mix it up Marvel Hmm.... Deadpool already does well so....
Using AI during a writer's strike that demands to not use AI was cold blooded. That was my first reason to not watch this show and seeing reviews like this gives me no reason to regret that.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
The worst thing about this show was that it was the last straw. So many people are giving up not because the show was bad, though it was, but that it was just such a kick in the face those bearly hanging on are just shoved off that cliff.
just want to talk about one of my favorite scenes from the secret invasion comic. this was in the lead-up to the main event, we see nick fury on a date with contessa (who has been introduced into the MCU), and after having a completely normal date, he stops her and asks “so who are you really?” she responds with confusion and he immediately shoots her to reveal her turn into a skrull. in that ONE scene, we have the concept of this show executed a million times better. not only doing justice to the intuitive nature of nick fury’s character, but how easily the skrulls can blend in. this show does neither, so they don’t come across as a threat, and nick fury figuring out who is a skrull doesn’t seem impressive.
They do so much more to make the Skrulls evil to the point where i dont think the writers realize how evil they are. For every skrull that looks like a human, there is an actual human locked away in some warehouse and rendered unconscious for the Skrull to take their memories whenever they need them. Thats over a million people help captive just so another group of people can wear their skin. Remember, the show says they need to copy a person, they cant just create a unique disguise. Its horrible to think that they just showed up to the planet, kidnapped a million people to replace them, and the show tries to make them seem like the victims.
The formula for this series already exists: The Invaders in the 1960s, UFO in the 1970s, V in the 1980s, and probably many more. All Disney had to do was bring it up to date and slot it into the MCU. There was no reason to mess up on this scale.
I'm not happy people are starting to realize that Endgame was well, the endgame. The MCU's peak and endpoint of the MCU's 22-movie plan and is now rudderless. And making Rhodey a skrull retroactively undermines his character. The director says he's been one since Civil War which means he wasn't there when Tony died, the battle of Wakanda, the battle in Endgame, etc. He missed out on ALL of that.
7:59 i disagree. The director admitted marvel studios told him "DON'T READ THE COMICS, this show isnt based off the comics but its own story". Its secret invasion literally in name only. Its not the secret invasion story.
> The director admitted marvel studios told him "DON'T READ THE COMICS, this show isnt based off the comics but its own story". This has been a common thing in the MCU since Phase 2 started; but Marvel's comics fans never seemed to come to peace with this and keep expecting every story that shares a subtitle with a comic storyline was going to be a direct adaptation of that comic storyline - but they're not and never going to be. Marvel Studios has no real interest in making 1:1 adaptations of decades old comics that would in turn spoil the movies.
@@Madara8989Then why even pull from them at all? Why invoke the legacy that these characters and storylines have had for decades, if it's going to amount to jack shit? It's trying to have their cake and eat it too, and it's bullshit.
@@senorsnout4417 Exactly! If they never intended the show to be anything like the comic storyline in any conceivable way the name the show Fury or something, and don't waste the namesake on this slop
If Kevin Feige knows what he's doing, the aftermath of Secret Wars will reset everything, and the next phase will be more simplified and focus just on the Mutants. But until then, it's gonna be a rough couple of years.
Its not hard, just reboot X-Men and watch the seats fill up, this overhyped meandering while running in place just isn't doing it for me....they delivered with Spiderman and Guardians so I'm just beginning to question this whole "build up."
I'm honestly surprised you aren't praising this show considering you literally always talk about how good or misunderstood obviously subpar projects are. Like alluding to Black Widow being a competent film when it's objectively not. I get it, you get engagement like I'm doing now and most definitely get the clicks. I won't fault that, but you know what you're doing..
It’s astonishing to see just how much copium or Stockholm syndrome people have for this franchise at this point. Like I WAS a die hard fan of the MCU for the longest time, but lord knows it’s run it’s course years ago. The MCU doesn’t need a break, it need to retire. Permanently. It’s doing so much more damage to the entertainment industry than it does good.
From the one who brought you the courtroom drama show from writers who couldn't write courtroom drama show, we present you a spy thriller show from writers who couldn't write spy thriller show
U know I heard this somewhere on RUclips that if Rhodey was a Scrull and he became so between infinity war and civil war, then he must have visited Thanos' farming world. Why did they even need a conflict if one of them literally found a habitable planet 😅
I think the ending was meant to lead into The Marvels, but after this, I don't care to even see it. I barely cared in the first place, but now I really don't.
I really miss pre-endgame MCU, felt like it was at its peak (besides Captain-Marvel) and after endgame and it’s final send off, just felt like it lost its charm.
If anyone wants to know why this was written so badly take a look at the writers. They don't have a project above 6.5 between all of them most of them don't have any projects or like 4 short films at the most. The only one with experience has 17 flops on her IMDb page
@@_N4T Because they want writers they can control. This is an industry-wide problem, but especially bad with Disney. Writers with little experience/mostly lukewarm projects are easier to micromanage, and bend to the will of the executives. It's not that they can't afford better writers, it's that they don't want good writers. They would rather use mediocre writers and directors who will be obedient to their demands than good talent that will actually excite people.
I'm really missing the days when the MCU was the Godfather of Marvel during the Infinity Saga run. And now during this Multiverse Saga run, its looking to be the Transformers Bayverse of the 2020s. Sigh. Big sigh.
@@spawncampe Bayformer is way better than any movie from Phase 4 of the MCU. At least Bay knew how to create good action scenes. And the villains from the Transformers are more menacing than anything the MCU has done. Other than Thanos, most of Marvel villains are useless and disposable.
I'm a hardcore MCU fan, and I wasn't even excited for this show to come out. In fact, I was shocked when I remembered it was coming out. Then, the show was just boring. With the Secret Invasion name, I expected so much more. I'm disappointed in what my favorite franchise is turning into
God its like this everytime with fans. One great project comes out: the MCU is back. One average or bad project comes out afterwards: the MCU is dead-- rinse and repeat. Its so annoying. How about: it never died, it never left, and like any other franchise, some projects are better than others? How about that?
Biggest mistake MCU made was not having a legitimate plan post RDJ and Chris Evans departure lol All you had to do was close the book and reboot with the Ultimate universe. Its been over a decade, It needed a fresh start. instead we're like 20 projects in with all these conflicting timelines and storylines that have to be structured in such a way to not mess up one another. They need a clean slate, new talent and a clear vision of what they want the next chapter of the MCU to look like.
RDJ and Evans not being there isn't even a problem yet (except for maybe FATWS) until the team up movies Most of these TV series and movies have been standalone, it'll probably be even worse when the next big team up movies happens
@@jybee7786 IMO whether or not a project is "bad" is subjective and not really meant to serve as a prime example of the state of an entire franchise, especially when said franchise is taking its time now to build things up for their next Endgame level Finale.
@@ishaan863guardians 3 was amazing. wakanda forever before that was rlly good too and moon knight and nwh, shang-chi among others. those r just my takes tho
yeah that's true, but I think it's the fact that these movies are multi-billion dollar property makes it super formulaic and boring. They don't take risks or are creative enough to make it interesting. They're also clearly focusing more on quantity than quality. If they stuck to a few works a year, and really polishing them, it'd be much better than pumping out the 100th mid disney+ show or another boring movie. Almost all of their works aside from a few standouts like guardians 3, shang-chi, etc. are just painfully mid. The norm is bad movies, while you get standouts in the giant pool of things they're pumping out. If the standard was good, then it would be different
J. Michael Straczynski basically invented the episodic pattern within an overarching storyline design for sci-fi and fantasy series you mention. Babylon 5 was and still is the blueprint for every series that came after.
MCU Is not dead and neither is hyperbolic clickbait. The MCU has had way more hits than misses and it's likely to continue that trend. Now if you wanna talk about the DCEU, you'd be correct. Crossing my fingers that the resurrection is successful with James Gunn..... the guy that just had a hit with Guardians of the Galaxy 3..... an MCU film.
For people who claimed this is the Andor for the MCU, let me ask you something. Do you honestly think creator and writer Tony Gilroy would make a show *this* boring, meaningless and anticlimactic as Secret Invasion? Btw, Andor is a masterpiece and it's worth your time.
Secret invasion did me a solid because it finally allowed me to move on. Marvel was a dead family member and I couldn't help myself to let them go. Each and every time marvel got a product I watched it, I disliked or hated it, I said to myself that's it I'll not watch anything from marvel just to come back to square one. And right when I thought I had forgotten it secret invasion came, it promised a spy inspired show, a back to the basis and important point in the marvel timeline. It got me excited and we got this. Secret invasion was that big of a reality check that I am definitely cured from marvel. I know confidently say I just don't get any single itch of hype for anything marvel, it's time for me to leave this dead rotten corpse and move on.
I liked guardians 3 but I remember after that I said to my friends that I’m pretty much done with the MCU because I’ve seen everything I wanted to see and I now only really care to see Spider-Man
9:00 what about the refugees from Syria in Europe that are committing higher rates of sexual assault and rape all across Europe. You are kind of making me want to watch this show thanks.
I stopped watching this around the 11 minute mark, obv the show is not good but it seems like this channel’s objection to it is that it almost made him have an unapproved thought.
Was Secret Invasion underwhelming? Absolutely. But, the "pitiful collapse of the MCU"? Hell f'in no. Not even close. Look, I liked the show as is. However, I do feel like the MCU is having an identity crisis at the moment. Unlike a LOT of people, including yourself, I still find myself optimistic about the Marvel Cinematic Universe currently, despite a lot of mishaps. Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel the "Marvel fatigue" that everyone else feels. Oh well.
The MCU has given us iconic timeless classics such as Thor: Love And Thunder; Ant-Man: Quantumania and She-Hulk...Now after the masterpiece that was Secret Invasion, let's get ready for The Marvels!!!
The most hilarious part of Secret Invasion is that it confirms Captain Marvel was wrong after all, the Skrulls are a danger to everyone and she got played like a fiddle. The Kree did nothing wrong.
Nah, it's should've been 24 episodes per season for 8 seasons, which should be released once every 3 years, and only in July, it can't be released in any other month. that'll make the show good eoungh.
Secret invasion one of the greatest comic stories ever created seeing it get destroyed episode by episode and then the final episode just pisses me the fuck off and then rhodey doesn't even know that tony is dead Steve retired Natasha is dead you know what Thanos was right
A lot of the problem with secret invasion is that it needed to be longer. Not saying it needed 10 episodes, but the last 4 episodes were barely over 30 minutes. Way too short if ur pushing for more intrigue. Also, making Gaia THE most powerful character feels wrong. She's the only one who can fight Kang straight up
I don't think that the MCU has collapsed as of yet. But they are way off the track and they're stumbling quite alot. I think Marvel will come back with projects Feige is most focused on. Deadpool 3, F4, captain america 4, avengers and Xmen
As a MCU fan who didn’t care for it, I’m glad you’re able to enjoy it and openly express your opinions! I feel like far too many fans get heated and opinionated when discussing the MCU, so it’s refreshing to see some civi discussion!
Guardians 3 proved that MCU stuff can be great, but that was less to do with marvel and more to do with James Gunn. Marvel in general has gone to quantity over quality. I hope Marvel will learn from Guardians 3, but I honestly feel like that’s false hope. I hope I’m wrong though.
14:50 "The mystery needs to be fair..." Huh? I'm guessing from the context following this statement you meant "sensible payoffs?" Any story with well-prepared setups (tension, stakes, etc.) and earned payoffs will always be tops to me. No Deus Ex Machina, no exposition to explain what just happened; just a well-told story that doesn't always try to tie everything into a neat little bow by the end but at least tries not to break immersion at worst and provides catharsis at best. It's an art, after all. That why Secret Invasion is trash; it smacks of corporate interference imo, with reports of so many pertinent things left on the cutting room floor. Ah, Marvel. I guess only time will tell before they're in dire straits financially. Again.
There is no such thing as Marvel fatigue. There is bad content fatigue. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 proves that the MCU will survive. As long there is good writing. Patience, my friend Feige is still cooking goodies for the fans
This entire storyline could’ve been interestingly integrated into the mcu across several movies and could’ve been great if Disney wasn’t just putting out these heartbreaking soulless movies
@@vashsunglasses You are those people who says they are done with MCU and it is trash but still cling onto every show just to spam it is trash for an hour. That is true simping right there.
It’s not even the show delivering it’s premise, everything feels directionless and lazy as a viewer personally l don’t feel the same creative passion and drive the mcu has hand in previous phases. Furthermore the more the lazy and bland writing also adds to this reoccurring problem, what’s fury arc? Why do we care about the skulls infiltrating earth as humans? Where is the tension and fear felt when an individual can where your face? How does this change fury or how’s this break him? What does the show do for fury’s character in pushing him as a human being? Those themes and excellent character writing pushes projects such as these to success. The mcu has really felt displaced and lost in their identity, what was the point of this show? Where are we going cause thr where Kang is going? And with the multiversal storytelling of the mcu leaves a lot to be desired and personally l am not excited.
Honestly i liked where it was going. Interesting villain. Good protagonists. Nice twists. And more mature than i expected. Really pushing the PG13. The interrogation scene was...YIKES! But MY GOD! Why can't Marvel ever stick the landing? They always had problems with their 3rd act. The Last episode could've been something. HECK! I would've been okay with Nick Fury dying and The Skrulls actually take over. Gravik was a great villain. But maaaan. I dunno what happened to him in the last episode.
if skrull's actually took over, and this is just my opinion, it would be so much better. People like to watch heroes lose once in a while and this would genuinely bring a piece of that infinity war feeling. Nick could've just been gravely injured instead of dying.
Please tell me what you found interesting about Gravik? He was literally the blandest most cliche villain we've seen so far. He was the worst part of the show and the actor certainly didn't help with a terrible performance.
I didn't even bother to watch Secret Invasion anymore even though there was a time I was excited about it. But after reading one article explaining how it went I wasn't even surprised that it didn't go that well. I just decided to stop watching anything Marvel related until people say it's really good (looking at GOTG3 cause that was incredible)
There's a timeline where we have the snap phase teasing our mcu's Kang providing the resources to undo the snap and take Thanos out of the picture. Maybe sprinkle in some kind of "Skrull" alliance so that when secret invasion comes along, there's more tension as our Kang begins moving his pieces into place.
Thank you, you put my frustrations with the show into better word than I could think of lol I somehow got my expectations raised for this but they quickly were dashed and shattered
People were hyping the shit out of this show for no reason and when i started watching it i was like this is by no means good and felt like it should've been a movie (an avengers one like it is in the comics). And i am absolutely without a doubt DONE with the MCU, it has been nothing but mediocre central since "Endgame" with a few exceptions. But yeah i think the era of MCU is over.
I really liked the first 3 episodes, they build a grounded and intriguing plot but the last 3 episodes ruined all of that. This should've been an Avengers movie and the director should've read the comic. Nick Fury is a really interesting character but he doesn't get to express any emotion in this series other than anger or surprise.
@@vashsunglasses That's fair, I think it's smart not lazy but you feel it's lazy. What would you rather have had the show done about the reveal of Rhodes being a skrull?
People are talking like Secret Invasions is the worst of the worst and MCU is dead. Honestly I don't think Secret Invasion deserve the ratings. It was a pretty good show until episode 3, then went downhill and became a Solid show, not best not worst rather a mediocre solid show.
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Personally I just thought it was fine.
What an absolutely messy waste of the SECRET INVASION comics story
I thought it was shit,, but that goes for WandaVision, Loki, Hawkeye, and the falcon and winter soldier terrible. Terrible terrible and the other ones are so bad they can’t be mentioned shit. No respect for the source material. They forget that’s why people like these characters. Not the characters that they think they invented.
It was ok.
TBH I feel like people are being a teensy bit over sensitive.
There were a lot of strong, introspective parts of the show that felt special. The ending was completely botched.
The main problem of this series is New Asgard, where aliens live peacefully on erth and cause no threat. Why do scrulls live in Russia and America, where they are considered to be a threat, instead of living in New Asgard?
Oversight like this doesn’t surprise me since the mcu switched to quantity over quality
Asgardians are human like and they have Thor on their side who is obviously a Greek God avenger so they’re are more “Likeable”
@@to3sted248 as I remember, some citizens of NA have alien features. Like, colorful skin, horns and so on
Thats a frickin good point 😂
Or nowhere in gotg didn’t they describe nowhere as welcoming to all aliens or something?
As a lifelong die hard mcu fan, i am not disappointed
I am just heartbroken
Is that worse? I don’t know if that’s worse.
Same
W or L?
Why?
@@thatguyap_Definitely feels like an L, I can’t get myself to feel excited for ANY mcu show or movie lately
I was really hopeful for Secret Invasion. Winter Soldier was the last time the MCU felt SORTA grounded and that would’ve been refreshing atp.
Promising first two episodes. Then the rest of the show happened... it's real heartbreaking, really...
the Hydra infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D plot is more convincing than Skrull replacing humans tbh
Loki was really good though. Finally put Kang and the multiverse on the board (though I’m hesitant as to how this will go down later)
YOU'VE GOTTA DO BETTER SENATOR
Idk about grounded, but it shows they HAD the full ability to pull this off.
They should of had 3-4 years off after endgame. Imagine the hype for when it came back
this is what I also think cause in endgame they jumped from 2019 to 5 years and they could have make it real by coming back on 2024 with a new story aligning up to the current time we have, now we just dont know where we at in MCU.
That would never galen because then they'd be leaving 3-4 years of potential profits and new fans for what? Keeping up with the universe in real time which is cool? Manufactured hype? It's also a much safer bet to keep playing the hot hand after Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Endgamd and Far From Home all made a billion.
now that's facts
@@navonmyhand7999 yeh and look at them now. There's more supply than demand which is killing the mcu. People don't care anymore. They should care more about longevity and less about short term profits
Unpopular opinion: Mcu has never been good. Non Disney Marvel movies and shows like the Netflix Punisher, Daredevil, Agents of Shield, Raimi/ Tasm Spider-man and X-Men are far better
I have zero faith The Marvels or Loki season 2 is gonna get things back on track. And then after that, it's Echo, Ironheart, and Agatha.. all projects that will likely be at the very least divisive if not panned. It's looking very bleak...
Agatha is honestly going to be a masterpiece mark my words! The cast is iconic, and the show has the same writers as WandaVision. Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez are returning with some more theme songs, and the show is confirmed to basically be WandaVision season 2. I've never been more excited for another show in my life!
Why do you think those shoes will be divisive or panned?
@@daltonmeadesmith So the whole series is gonna be a musical? Eh, it will woo over the theater jackoffs so much, but it will be meh the rest of the population.
@@Dave102693 where did u get a mustical from?
If they kill Loki Season 2 I’m never going to an MCU film in theatre again or watching weekly which is insane to me.
A while ago, I was hopeful that the MCU was going to get people enthusiastic about it again. I was hopeful that Marvel, Feige, and Disney had been listening to the criticisms of Phase 4 and would correct those failings given enough time. Even if the corporate suits at these companies didn't care, I had faith that Feige cared, because he seems like he genuinely loves the comics and wants to do them justice on the big screen. The occasional success like No Way Home, Moon Knight, and GotG 3 gave me some bit of hope that the ship would steady and get back on course.
But I'm not hopeful anymore. Everything is falling apart.
Phase 5 was supposed to open with our first big look at the new big villain of the MCU. And what did we get? Ant-Man 3. Probably the worst movie in the entirety of the MCU to date. A movie where Kang, supposedly the next Thanos, is treated like a generic bland villain and gets taken out by ants and a giant head who spouts lines like "My name is Darren and I am not a dick."
After Ant-Man, Gotg 3 restored SOME of my faith, but I knew in the back of my mind that it was only good because of James Gunn, and that he was going to be gone after this. So, I was hopeful, or rather desperately optimistic, that Secret Invasion would be the next Winter Soldier, and would bring people back on board to loving (or at least being interested in) the MCU again. But those hopes have been dashed. Secret Invasion had one of the worst opening episodes I've ever seen for a Disney+ series, maybe as bad or even worse than She-hulk, leading into a season that was overall adequate at BEST, ending in a finale that was just downright insulting.
Chalk this up with the fact that the next few shows AND movies in the MCU lineup don't seem to be exciting ANYONE, as well as the fact that the MCU's big main baddie is now embattled in a huge domestic abuse scandal, and I don't think the franchise can survive at this point. Some people think the SAG-AFTRA strike might make things worse, or better, but personally, I think it's happened too late for it to have any noticeable difference now.
I'm so dejected. I loved the MCU. I've stuck with it ever since I was in middle school. I remember the days when people used to get excited over each new release and flooded the theaters to see them. With only a couple exceptions, I haven't seen anyone that excited for a new MCU release since Endgame. I even defended Phase 4 through most of its ups and downs, because I believed that SOMEONE high up at these companies would step in and see enthusiasm dipping and say "we need to do something to get people excited again!" But no. We've had three years-THREE GODDAMN YEARS-of half-assed mediocrity, both on the big screen and the small one. It's inexcusable now. They've had plenty of time. They've had plenty of chances. And now, I don't think they even care if their movies and shows stop making money. It's clear they have some bs Wall Street workaround to still make bank off of failing properties, and that's all they care about.
It genuinely makes me furious. I hate these corporate pigs so much. We could have had something extraordinary! The Multiverse Saga could have been something tremendous, it could have been something never before done in the history of cinema, and it would have been such an AMAZING social experience! But no. Corporate greed killed it, like it kills everything else good in this world. Capitalism ruins art, folks. It may be a trite statement, but it's damn true. And don't ever let anyone tell you any different.
I can understand most of your sentiment, but the issue isn’t all just capitalism. There was plenty of capitalism involved with the MCU during its heyday. Those films made tons of money. The new ones are not.
The issue has a lot of layers. Some of the decline in quality has to do with oversaturation. But a lot of it has to do with poor storytelling and an overemphasis on woke politics. People just aren’t that excited about these new characters like they were the classic ones. There’s more to be said (and I’m very much against crony capitalism). It’s just a bigger problem than that.
you’re absolutely right. i remember watching the trailers of infinity war, endgame, spider-man homecoming, and every marvel movie since 2014 during class. i remember being excited for it too, i remember defending cgi or plot holes like they were the hill i would die on. i was, and still am, a diehard marvel fan. but im not excited about marvel anymore. the movie ideas they have don’t bring joy. i remember crying with joy over the news that i would be seeing age of ultron in theatres, ranting about it every day to my weary teachers and classmates. i remember my love for marvel.
@@yajeelkevin feige and the woke agenda needs to go. Stop blaming the customer and get rid of these activists
Shut it conservative@@sirchi8731
No one found that bizarre that Rhodes was walking fine without his mechanical supports.
In a world with access to alien tech and healthcare, accelerated healing pods, etc? no, not really no.
@@WalkerRileyMC I will say you have a fair point. But if it was a miss or a continuety issue from the showrunners, it will not surprise me.
Please be post endgame. And not cw
@@scruffd0g193 Ah, fuck, imagine that it was some generic Skrull who was with the Avengers, fought Thanos and brought everybody back.
@@MichaelRobinson-nu8zl Samuel was blipped with her. Infinity War or Thanos gets a glove was after Civil War or Winter Soldier killed my dad and mom revenge plot.
This show was more obsessed with Super Skrulls than making a spy thriller.
It seems like the formula for every MCU show is to tease the audience with a genre, then meander for 5 episodes until everything fizzles out in a finale that resolves everything with CGI people punching each other.
Fr they butchered moonknight in that exact way and it pissed me off since the first few episodes were such good set up
The biggest Part of the MCI success was the wait for the next piece of the puzzle when u add tv shows and over saturate you take away that break in between.
It's even better when they keep making films 3/4 months apart and they give you puzzles but once you wasted 2 years collecting them you see they're not even for the same puzzle, you got like 8 different puzzle pieces for 4 different puzzle sets. And it's even better you got to wait another 6 years to finish 1 of the 4 puzzle sets.
Plus idk if its just me but it keeps getting woke and the comedy like wtf what they did with the last thor movie should be criminal wth lmao
@@hector3201which part of the Thor movie was woke?
@@hector3201what does woke mean to you?
And also try and make shows that are not important to the movies or the world so you don’t have to bother watching them in turn makes them more wasteful
Imagine if this had been done by the succession team? Deep, meaty conflicts, regret, trust issues, sneaky behaviour and lots of tension. Instead we get a true waste of potential and cast talent. Gutted.
Lol
As if anyone deeply involved with Succession would waste their time on this juvenile capeshit.
Calm down
Nope, the showrunner literally came from Mr. Robot. This is probably a case of micromanaging of the project, remember when it recently came out that because Bob Iger ordered them to make so much content for Disney+, Kevin Feige didn't have the time to do quality control on the content anymore, so executives have been telling these showrunners what to do instead?
@@actualnotanewbie feels like a waste of talent to have someone from Mr Robot work on this shitshow
Maria Hill was in the mcu for 12 years and she didnt do a single thing. Genius writing.
I wish Nick being a father figure to Gravik wud have bin explored & emphasized more. Also if they just stuck to the 4samples, making the dna Kool-aid was overkill not only for the series but for the universe altogether
lmao fr there was no reason to give him the DNA coolaid just to have a 1v1 because they both already had the same powers before drinking DNA juice
Well if you think about it...Nick fullfilled everything a Black dad would to his son...went to buy a pack of cigarettes, came back 20 years later, looked at his grown up son once, made "WTF" face, went back to his old ex-gf hooker and went for another pack of cigarettes and never saw his son again.
Yeah, that was a dumb decision.
@@MrAngerius Do you racist jackasses ever take a break?
That would made the show. He did went to buy a pack, but when he came back. He said multiple times, you are my wife. He even accepted her true form, he just never cared. It was more the Snap, he couldn't accept.
The fundamental issue is they are releasing too much stuff way too quickly. And I don’t think that is the creatives fault.
Maybe but not entirely. It's hard to excuse when you choose to write illogical plots. I understand sub par quality but not illogical. Then there's also the fact you have tons of source material to draw upon and choose not to follow them at all.
nah if they released one movie like that antman an year, the next year no one would go to the movies Lmao
That's definitely true but also what they are making is just really bad
What??? to quickly? this year they have been releasing stuff steadily, we don’t get another show and another movie till 5 months from now like wdym to quickly? lmao
Bruh they got rid of 2 of the core pre-Endgame heroes: Iron Man and Captain America. Those characters, along with Thor (which they gutted with L&T) represented the bedrock of the franchise leading up to every Avengers movie.
You knew that we would get an Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor movie before the next Avengers (with Hulk showing up here), with some other ones sprinkled in.
Instead of going with that TRIED AND TRUE FORMULA THAT IMO GRANTED THE MCU ITS HYPE LEADING UP TO ENDGAME, they completely abandoned it in favor of diversifying.
I can understand why Disney Marvel did this. Maybe they experimented to try to find that bedrock cast to lead into the future.
Doctor Strange could have been one, but then his second movie was basically all about characters besides himself...
Black Widow, well her movie should have came out before Endgame. Completely irrelevant, and the worst part of this is one is that they tried to replace BW with a new one...
Thereby reinforcing the commodification and/or undermining of these characters we've come to know and love.
Marvel went too big after Endgame, which a lot of people probably predicted, and it's time for the franchise to shrink so that we can get back to the same grounded, intimate, complete stories that started the franchise: stories that imo were really kicked off with The Dark Knight and Iron Man.
Secret Invasion was handled way better in Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. I still miss that show a lot.
That cartoon was way better than M-She-U...
I actually like the OG Cpt Marvel there...
The funniest thing is that there were people going on twitter and other platforms saying that Secret Invasion is the show that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. wish it could have been, only that the entire series was basically a poor take on the AOS:LMD season, I was left unfullfilled, I've been feeling that way since the Disney+ shows began to happen, none of these shows really have the kind of suspense that we got from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Defenders Series. If only someone like Coulson or Daisy Johnson appeared, and bring back S.H.I.E.L.D. into the MCU, then this series would have had some kind of backbone.
Secret Invasion doesn't hold a candle to any episodes or storylines of Agents of Shield. It did start out a little clunky, but by half way through season 1 it just kept getting better and better.
It used both Maria Hill and Nick Fury much better than any of their scenes in Secret Invasion, which is just sad to think about. Such a disappointment.
@@anastazius99and what SI did to Maria was awful! Like??? How dare you MCU?? At least Colby doesn't have to go down with a sinking ship.
@@anastazius99 agreed
I've watched AOS from season 1 t 5, and I still remembered that scene in season 4 with Daisy and Simmons, the paranoia between the 2, the distrust and desperation to determine if they are both legit or LMDs, the confirmation and relief that they are both legit, not to mention the top notch acting.
Ehh, I don't think actors will fix a script. They still have to read what writers make. Look at how disheveled the writers made Fury look in this show.
Bringing back Coulson or Johnson would just tarnish the memory of those characters we still have, while at the same time possibly undermining their presence in that earlier content, like how we saw with Rhoades' character in Secret Invasion.
This show had a great possibility to have been a good espionage thriller. Instead, (I don't use this term lightly) it may have assassinated several characters and did devolve into another CGI battle fest. I was slack jawed with that last episode. And this comes from someone who unironically digs Eternals level MCU. I couldn't believe how crap this show was.
What was crap about it?
@@Thed538dhsk I don't think they know, I think they are just jumping on the bandwagon.
@@realityshifter3399 i think they just watched clips of the show on tiktok and couldn't find the other parts. also why listen to this dude he says he digs eternals.
The story line frm the show pales in comparison to the comic counterpart. Also, this show attempts a set up something for the future like all the last MCU stuff. Just setting up stuff with no follow up is just dumb. Atleast in early MCU, most set up were infinity saga oriented. Now, each set up is seemingly its own thing. The Mandarin rings and Kamala bangles' cosmic connection, Multiverse set up by a) Doc Strange, b) Loki show, c) What if series; Kang set up for the upcoming Avengers... Nothing is connected and no follow up is given. It's all gone to shit
@@mu2thehotnessWhat you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I think it's very unlikely that it will turn out Rhodes had been a Skrull for that long, a hospital gown is not something people wear that rarely in their lives, especially someone disabled of a certain age. As others have pointed out, the leg braces (that he's not wearing in Falcon and the Winter Soldier) are a better clue of when that change might have happened.
But yeah, I agree that it was at the very least a bizarre choice to put him in a hospital gown of all things. Maybe it was meant to signify that he was kidnapped while under anesthesia for a procedure and therefore without access to his War Machine gear? It certainly left things a lot more ambiguous than they had to be at this point.
According to the director, he's been a Skrull since he was injured in Civil War. Meaning that he was a Skrull for longer than he was himself in the MCU timeline (MCU starts in 2008 - 2026 with civil war being in 2016)
@@VexdinLord The director's most revealing quote (that I could find, at least), was in a ComicBook interview where he said "I think his legs not working in the end of episode six and him being in the hospital gown points to [Captain America: Civil War]. And, from there, does it have to be definitive, or is it more fun for the audience to go back and revisit every moment, every Rhodey moment and look at it with a different lens now that they think, 'Oh, he might've been a Skrull there.' And make the decision for themselves, or it'll be answered in Armor Wars."
When Insider asked whether he had a definitive answer to that question, he answered "No [...] for those definitive answers, I defer to Kevin Feige or I defer to the fans."
So while I agree that he probably meant for the gown to indicate Rhodes had been a Skrull since the end of Civil War, he seems to be trying very hard to not commit to that. Whether that decision wasn't properly communicated to the higher-ups beforehand or they all realized only after the backlash how many contradictions it would create for the character, I do hope they use the ambiguity of the gown as an opportunity to not make that canon.
@@DodaGarcia I hope so too, since that would absolutely be the wrong move. I don't want all those moments Rhody had with Tony and the Avengers after Civil War to be some other character who, as it turns out, didn't really give a shit about any of them and wanted humanity to die.
It's crazy how the MCU has lost so many people's interest, including mine. The last MCU anything I watched in cinemas was Spiderman No Way Home, and GotG 3 is the only movie I'm interested in seeing eventually since.
And for the MCU itself, there's been comparisons for it's current development to Marvel's back in the day with good reason. It doesn't seem that they learned from their mistakes but just took their time getting there.
GotG 3 was the last great movie from the MCU, but that's mainly because it's more of a James Gunn movie than an MCU movie. The corporate pigs kept their grubby greedy mitts off of it, because at that point Gunn was just too big of a name to fuck with, I guess. So he got to make an actual film as opposed to just an installment. But I think that was the last gasp of creative integrity from this studio. Definitely give it a watch-it's dark and mature and emotionally hard-hitting-basically, everything the current MCU no longer is.
Worst part of this is there's no chance to redeem it
What's done is done
Gorr never takes on the other gods and goddesses on screen
Kang loses to an army of ants
Rodey allegedly doesn't know that his best friend died (if he is indeed a skrull from civil war)
Fury only became a director thanks to the skrulls
Etc.
These won't get a reboot so it can't be undone. What a waste of everything.
So many potentially great stories thrown away for nothing smh
The MCU is the embodiment of the Ralph Boner joke now.
At this point, my relationship with the MCU feels like the sunk cost fallacy in its most distilled form. Every time they announce a new project, I know in my heart that it's going to let me down, but after 15 years i cant quite bring myself to stop watching.
I think the problem was that they abandoned the premise of the show almost immediately. Either that or it was a bait and switch the whole time.
What I was expecting was a show that would keep me guessing as to who the skrulls were episode to episode. But what they delivered was more like 24 (but less tense). The question was never who the skrulls were, but how they were going to be stopped. The only time they really managed to keep the audience guessing was with Rhoadie, and a lot of people guessed it from the beginning, just by what a d*ck he was to Fury in the restaurant.
So without that "Who are the skrulls?" hook, the whole thing becomes a generic "stop the bomb from going off" thriller, with some serum thrown in.
The other problem was the small scale. I know they probably couldn't afford the salaries of the other Avenger actors, but that, too, lessened the tension. We didn't have to wonder if Sam or Bruce or Clint were skrulls.
In the end, it didn't feel like much of an invasion, and it wasn't very secret.
The same thing happened with She-Hulk, we could've got a entertaining or clever story about how the MCU's legal system reacts to the existence people with superpowers. But instead we got an overly cynical show that was more preoccupied with being meta or ironic than to have actual substance.
The issue is that they are watering down the source material. Since Disney owns it, they have to appeal to a whole audience that kids can watch. Most these marvel storylines are mature, and watering it down and making it kid friendly. This has to be a wake up call so they can finally stop making things kid friendly and give us MA content. Watering down violent character like moon knight set my expectations that Daredevil, Blade, and the punisher will be watered down. If deadpool does very well there might be hope
Its fine having She Hulk, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye girl as kids girls programs but some Marvel must be for adults. The ones you mentioned need to be adult, and Agents of SHIELD managed the balance of Adult and Kids at the same time. Basically - mix it up Marvel
Hmm.... Deadpool already does well so....
Using AI during a writer's strike that demands to not use AI was cold blooded. That was my first reason to not watch this show and seeing reviews like this gives me no reason to regret that.
Did they use AI to write the script for this one?
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@@Lightning08XxI’m sure the AI Script would of been way better
@@AbzAden what a corporate slave
@@Lightning08Xx no, just for the intro.
The worst thing about this show was that it was the last straw.
So many people are giving up not because the show was bad, though it was, but that it was just such a kick in the face those bearly hanging on are just shoved off that cliff.
just want to talk about one of my favorite scenes from the secret invasion comic.
this was in the lead-up to the main event, we see nick fury on a date with contessa (who has been introduced into the MCU), and after having a completely normal date, he stops her and asks “so who are you really?” she responds with confusion and he immediately shoots her to reveal her turn into a skrull.
in that ONE scene, we have the concept of this show executed a million times better. not only doing justice to the intuitive nature of nick fury’s character, but how easily the skrulls can blend in. this show does neither, so they don’t come across as a threat, and nick fury figuring out who is a skrull doesn’t seem impressive.
They do so much more to make the Skrulls evil to the point where i dont think the writers realize how evil they are. For every skrull that looks like a human, there is an actual human locked away in some warehouse and rendered unconscious for the Skrull to take their memories whenever they need them. Thats over a million people help captive just so another group of people can wear their skin. Remember, the show says they need to copy a person, they cant just create a unique disguise. Its horrible to think that they just showed up to the planet, kidnapped a million people to replace them, and the show tries to make them seem like the victims.
Ikr, why not just make it an actual invasion instead? They dropped the ball just to virtue signal on immigration- that's about par for the current MCU
The formula for this series already exists: The Invaders in the 1960s, UFO in the 1970s, V in the 1980s, and probably many more. All Disney had to do was bring it up to date and slot it into the MCU. There was no reason to mess up on this scale.
I'm not happy people are starting to realize that Endgame was well, the endgame. The MCU's peak and endpoint of the MCU's 22-movie plan and is now rudderless.
And making Rhodey a skrull retroactively undermines his character. The director says he's been one since Civil War which means he wasn't there when Tony died, the battle of Wakanda, the battle in Endgame, etc. He missed out on ALL of that.
7:59 i disagree. The director admitted marvel studios told him "DON'T READ THE COMICS, this show isnt based off the comics but its own story". Its secret invasion literally in name only. Its not the secret invasion story.
And yet the end product says otherwise
> The director admitted marvel studios told him "DON'T READ THE COMICS, this show isnt based off the comics but its own story".
This has been a common thing in the MCU since Phase 2 started; but Marvel's comics fans never seemed to come to peace with this and keep expecting every story that shares a subtitle with a comic storyline was going to be a direct adaptation of that comic storyline - but they're not and never going to be. Marvel Studios has no real interest in making 1:1 adaptations of decades old comics that would in turn spoil the movies.
@@mothralord1709not sure what you watched. This has nothing to do with the comics version of Secret Invasion other than having Skrulls.
@@Madara8989Then why even pull from them at all? Why invoke the legacy that these characters and storylines have had for decades, if it's going to amount to jack shit? It's trying to have their cake and eat it too, and it's bullshit.
@@senorsnout4417 Exactly! If they never intended the show to be anything like the comic storyline in any conceivable way the name the show Fury or something, and don't waste the namesake on this slop
If Kevin Feige knows what he's doing, the aftermath of Secret Wars will reset everything, and the next phase will be more simplified and focus just on the Mutants. But until then, it's gonna be a rough couple of years.
Its not hard, just reboot X-Men and watch the seats fill up, this overhyped meandering while running in place just isn't doing it for me....they delivered with Spiderman and Guardians so I'm just beginning to question this whole "build up."
I don’t think anybody who “knows what they’re doing” would plan for years of mediocre Tv and movies that continues to lower brand loyalty
@@ammonite0257 We are definitely seeing quantity not quality.
Why if the mcu is having trouble for you want to see them f up mutants???
@@oldboy2399I disagree compare phase four is phase 3 mcu it phase 2 or phase 1. Imo higher quality but fans aren't resonating en masse
I'm honestly surprised you aren't praising this show considering you literally always talk about how good or misunderstood obviously subpar projects are. Like alluding to Black Widow being a competent film when it's objectively not. I get it, you get engagement like I'm doing now and most definitely get the clicks. I won't fault that, but you know what you're doing..
It’s astonishing to see just how much copium or Stockholm syndrome people have for this franchise at this point.
Like I WAS a die hard fan of the MCU for the longest time, but lord knows it’s run it’s course years ago.
The MCU doesn’t need a break, it need to retire. Permanently. It’s doing so much more damage to the entertainment industry than it does good.
please stop using that word. god damn it's such a stupid way to say 'coping'.
From the one who brought you the courtroom drama show from writers who couldn't write courtroom drama show, we present you a spy thriller show from writers who couldn't write spy thriller show
U know I heard this somewhere on RUclips that if Rhodey was a Scrull and he became so between infinity war and civil war, then he must have visited Thanos' farming world. Why did they even need a conflict if one of them literally found a habitable planet 😅
I wonder if they originally planned multiple seasons because it's literally just getting started as it ends
I think it was originally a movie, then they adapted it into parts for a series
I think the ending was meant to lead into The Marvels, but after this, I don't care to even see it. I barely cared in the first place, but now I really don't.
I really miss pre-endgame MCU, felt like it was at its peak (besides Captain-Marvel) and after endgame and it’s final send off, just felt like it lost its charm.
If anyone wants to know why this was written so badly take a look at the writers. They don't have a project above 6.5 between all of them most of them don't have any projects or like 4 short films at the most. The only one with experience has 17 flops on her IMDb page
It’s a money laundering scheme. You can pay low tier writers almost nothing while pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars.
If this is true, Marvel need to fix up fr how aren't they getting the greatest directors from TV with the budget and stories they have
@@_N4T Because they want writers they can control. This is an industry-wide problem, but especially bad with Disney. Writers with little experience/mostly lukewarm projects are easier to micromanage, and bend to the will of the executives. It's not that they can't afford better writers, it's that they don't want good writers. They would rather use mediocre writers and directors who will be obedient to their demands than good talent that will actually excite people.
I'm really missing the days when the MCU was the Godfather of Marvel during the Infinity Saga run. And now during this Multiverse Saga run, its looking to be the Transformers Bayverse of the 2020s. Sigh. Big sigh.
Nah, no movies are as bad as Bayformers 😂. But it's almost on that level
The MCU was always dumb fun. Just now that there is no hype people are starting to see it
@spawncampe Fair enough, but it's getting more worrying by the dozens the longer this new saga keeps going.
@@spawncampe Bayformer is way better than any movie from Phase 4 of the MCU. At least Bay knew how to create good action scenes. And the villains from the Transformers are more menacing than anything the MCU has done. Other than Thanos, most of Marvel villains are useless and disposable.
@@thehahvokexperiencethe writing is visibly worse now.. much worse
I'm a hardcore MCU fan, and I wasn't even excited for this show to come out. In fact, I was shocked when I remembered it was coming out. Then, the show was just boring. With the Secret Invasion name, I expected so much more. I'm disappointed in what my favorite franchise is turning into
God its like this everytime with fans. One great project comes out: the MCU is back. One average or bad project comes out afterwards: the MCU is dead-- rinse and repeat. Its so annoying. How about: it never died, it never left, and like any other franchise, some projects are better than others? How about that?
I’m saying like “the pitiful collapse of the MCU” is crazy 😭😭
Yeah I agree, it’s been dead since the end of phase 4 with a good movie every now and then
Exactly
"The mcu has fallen, millions must whine"
This happens every few months
It's dead a long time ago.
Biggest mistake MCU made was not having a legitimate plan post RDJ and Chris Evans departure lol All you had to do was close the book and reboot with the Ultimate universe. Its been over a decade, It needed a fresh start. instead we're like 20 projects in with all these conflicting timelines and storylines that have to be structured in such a way to not mess up one another. They need a clean slate, new talent and a clear vision of what they want the next chapter of the MCU to look like.
RDJ and Evans not being there isn't even a problem yet (except for maybe FATWS) until the team up movies
Most of these TV series and movies have been standalone, it'll probably be even worse when the next big team up movies happens
Tbh as with any franchise, some projects are better than others
Yeah but when most projects are "bad" it's easy to lose interest
remind me what the last good project was
@@jybee7786 IMO whether or not a project is "bad" is subjective and not really meant to serve as a prime example of the state of an entire franchise, especially when said franchise is taking its time now to build things up for their next Endgame level Finale.
@@ishaan863guardians 3 was amazing. wakanda forever before that was rlly good too and moon knight and nwh, shang-chi among others. those r just my takes tho
yeah that's true, but I think it's the fact that these movies are multi-billion dollar property makes it super formulaic and boring. They don't take risks or are creative enough to make it interesting. They're also clearly focusing more on quantity than quality. If they stuck to a few works a year, and really polishing them, it'd be much better than pumping out the 100th mid disney+ show or another boring movie. Almost all of their works aside from a few standouts like guardians 3, shang-chi, etc. are just painfully mid.
The norm is bad movies, while you get standouts in the giant pool of things they're pumping out. If the standard was good, then it would be different
J. Michael Straczynski basically invented the episodic pattern within an overarching storyline design for sci-fi and fantasy series you mention. Babylon 5 was and still is the blueprint for every series that came after.
MCU Is not dead and neither is hyperbolic clickbait. The MCU has had way more hits than misses and it's likely to continue that trend. Now if you wanna talk about the DCEU, you'd be correct. Crossing my fingers that the resurrection is successful with James Gunn..... the guy that just had a hit with Guardians of the Galaxy 3..... an MCU film.
For people who claimed this is the Andor for the MCU, let me ask you something. Do you honestly think creator and writer Tony Gilroy would make a show *this* boring, meaningless and anticlimactic as Secret Invasion?
Btw, Andor is a masterpiece and it's worth your time.
I totally agree, but I think people were saying that before it came out😢 How wrong they were, my goodness :’(
I’m right there man. No longer spending my money on Marvel, it’s so bad that I have been watching everything Marvel related on Bootleg 🤷🏾♂️
Secret invasion did me a solid because it finally allowed me to move on. Marvel was a dead family member and I couldn't help myself to let them go. Each and every time marvel got a product I watched it, I disliked or hated it, I said to myself that's it I'll not watch anything from marvel just to come back to square one. And right when I thought I had forgotten it secret invasion came, it promised a spy inspired show, a back to the basis and important point in the marvel timeline. It got me excited and we got this. Secret invasion was that big of a reality check that I am definitely cured from marvel. I know confidently say I just don't get any single itch of hype for anything marvel, it's time for me to leave this dead rotten corpse and move on.
I liked guardians 3 but I remember after that I said to my friends that I’m pretty much done with the MCU because I’ve seen everything I wanted to see and I now only really care to see Spider-Man
"Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and I'm out" was my thinking. I've been out for a couple months now and it's great.
9:00 what about the refugees from Syria in Europe that are committing higher rates of sexual assault and rape all across Europe.
You are kind of making me want to watch this show thanks.
I stopped watching this around the 11 minute mark, obv the show is not good but it seems like this channel’s objection to it is that it almost made him have an unapproved thought.
That pronunciation of Maria Hill and G'iah-
Was Secret Invasion underwhelming? Absolutely.
But, the "pitiful collapse of the MCU"? Hell f'in no. Not even close.
Look, I liked the show as is. However, I do feel like the MCU is having an identity crisis at the moment.
Unlike a LOT of people, including yourself, I still find myself optimistic about the Marvel Cinematic Universe currently, despite a lot of mishaps.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel the "Marvel fatigue" that everyone else feels.
Oh well.
Imagine doing a secret invasion story with ZERO avengers. L
It’s like when Deadpool asked where all the other x-men were. Wasn’t in the budget.
@@FichBJ I don’t know man that budget was pretty high lol but even so if you can’t do the story right (70%+ comic accurate) then don’t do it at all💯
Poor writing fatigue is real.
The MCU has given us iconic timeless classics such as Thor: Love And Thunder; Ant-Man: Quantumania and She-Hulk...Now after the masterpiece that was Secret Invasion, let's get ready for The Marvels!!!
NAILED IT!
LOL
Anthony man was fine it was a ant man movie
The most hilarious part of Secret Invasion is that it confirms Captain Marvel was wrong after all, the Skrulls are a danger to everyone and she got played like a fiddle.
The Kree did nothing wrong.
I don’t trust anyone’s opinions on the MCU when they say they like Black Widow, fuck female taskmaster. That still haunts me to this day
Yall need to relaxxxx. its only been 3 years . loolilolok
It really should have been 9 episodes. It would have given them room to flesh many things out. We did get Emmy worthy acting, though
The acting was ok
I don’t see how that would’ve helped. The episodes weren’t rushed. If anything, they felt padded.
Nah, it's should've been 24 episodes per season for 8 seasons, which should be released once every 3 years, and only in July, it can't be released in any other month. that'll make the show good eoungh.
Tf 2:05
What would you have done to make the show fit 9 eps?
Don’t even want them touching my boy Charlie cox’s daredevil now. Good lord just imagine what kind of show will be
I liked the show, didnt blow me away, but i looked forward to next episode every week. I hope Loki stays as good as season 1
Secret invasion one of the greatest comic stories ever created seeing it get destroyed episode by episode and then the final episode just pisses me the fuck off and then rhodey doesn't even know that tony is dead Steve retired Natasha is dead you know what Thanos was right
A lot of the problem with secret invasion is that it needed to be longer. Not saying it needed 10 episodes, but the last 4 episodes were barely over 30 minutes. Way too short if ur pushing for more intrigue. Also, making Gaia THE most powerful character feels wrong. She's the only one who can fight Kang straight up
Guardians 3 feels like the last dying gasps of what was once a good franchise
I feel like peacemaker told a better secret invasion story than secret invasion
What's this Some Kind of Gunn's Fake Bot Programs ......
Nobody Likes your Piss Maker....
I stopped at spider man. This is too frustrating, I even cancelled my Disney + subscription.
I don't think that the MCU has collapsed as of yet. But they are way off the track and they're stumbling quite alot.
I think Marvel will come back with projects Feige is most focused on. Deadpool 3, F4, captain america 4, avengers and Xmen
In my mind, the MCU ended at Endgame. Everything after aside from Spider-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy are its own seperate universe
I actually really like black widow. Totally love the spy aspects of it!
As a MCU fan who didn’t care for it, I’m glad you’re able to enjoy it and openly express your opinions! I feel like far too many fans get heated and opinionated when discussing the MCU, so it’s refreshing to see some civi discussion!
Ok
Those were the parts I liked. There was a good portion of the movie where I was really digging it.
Same
Trash movie with trash writing and trash CGI and the worst final act
I kinda enjoyed the series being fully honest, it’s just that this show and even this idea had so much more potential
The MCU doesn't need a break. It needs to stop.
Why?
@@Thewildboar because they put out bigoted garbage
No Coulson! No May! This show was a travesty!
MCU projects just feel like a set up for the setup at times
Guardians 3 proved that MCU stuff can be great, but that was less to do with marvel and more to do with James Gunn. Marvel in general has gone to quantity over quality. I hope Marvel will learn from Guardians 3, but I honestly feel like that’s false hope. I hope I’m wrong though.
14:50 "The mystery needs to be fair..." Huh? I'm guessing from the context following this statement you meant "sensible payoffs?" Any story with well-prepared setups (tension, stakes, etc.) and earned payoffs will always be tops to me. No Deus Ex Machina, no exposition to explain what just happened; just a well-told story that doesn't always try to tie everything into a neat little bow by the end but at least tries not to break immersion at worst and provides catharsis at best. It's an art, after all. That why Secret Invasion is trash; it smacks of corporate interference imo, with reports of so many pertinent things left on the cutting room floor. Ah, Marvel. I guess only time will tell before they're in dire straits financially. Again.
There is no such thing as Marvel fatigue.
There is bad content fatigue.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 proves that the MCU will survive.
As long there is good writing.
Patience, my friend
Feige is still cooking goodies for the fans
This entire storyline could’ve been interestingly integrated into the mcu across several movies and could’ve been great if Disney wasn’t just putting out these heartbreaking soulless movies
Amazing how Peacemaker did this better when no one expected anything good from it.
Don’t y’all get tired of the “MCU is dead” saying 🤦🏾♂️
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Don't you ever get tired of simping for crappy writing?
@@vashsunglasses he's poc what's surprising about his stance ?
💀😂
@@vashsunglasses You are those people who says they are done with MCU and it is trash but still cling onto every show just to spam it is trash for an hour. That is true simping right there.
Deadpool 3 is the MCU's only saving grace at this point.
It’s not even the show delivering it’s premise, everything feels directionless and lazy as a viewer personally l don’t feel the same creative passion and drive the mcu has hand in previous phases. Furthermore the more the lazy and bland writing also adds to this reoccurring problem, what’s fury arc? Why do we care about the skulls infiltrating earth as humans? Where is the tension and fear felt when an individual can where your face? How does this change fury or how’s this break him? What does the show do for fury’s character in pushing him as a human being? Those themes and excellent character writing pushes projects such as these to success. The mcu has really felt displaced and lost in their identity, what was the point of this show? Where are we going cause thr where Kang is going? And with the multiversal storytelling of the mcu leaves a lot to be desired and personally l am not excited.
Winey. It was pretty good as a binge. Also, stop complaining about AI
Honestly i liked where it was going. Interesting villain. Good protagonists. Nice twists. And more mature than i expected. Really pushing the PG13. The interrogation scene was...YIKES! But MY GOD! Why can't Marvel ever stick the landing? They always had problems with their 3rd act. The Last episode could've been something. HECK! I would've been okay with Nick Fury dying and The Skrulls actually take over. Gravik was a great villain. But maaaan. I dunno what happened to him in the last episode.
if skrull's actually took over, and this is just my opinion, it would be so much better. People like to watch heroes lose once in a while and this would genuinely bring a piece of that infinity war feeling. Nick could've just been gravely injured instead of dying.
@@arjunacharya1627 We needed a big shake up. To really make these shows matter in the whole MCU. Killing off Maria Hill wasn't it.
The villain was the worst part of this show. His somewhat decent performance came in the final episode (don't think that was the actors fault)
Please tell me what you found interesting about Gravik? He was literally the blandest most cliche villain we've seen so far. He was the worst part of the show and the actor certainly didn't help with a terrible performance.
@DAYRONFERNELLFORY I'm asking a genuine question. Do you have an answer or are you just a coping Marvel shill?
I didn't even bother to watch Secret Invasion anymore even though there was a time I was excited about it. But after reading one article explaining how it went I wasn't even surprised that it didn't go that well. I just decided to stop watching anything Marvel related until people say it's really good (looking at GOTG3 cause that was incredible)
There's a timeline where we have the snap phase teasing our mcu's Kang providing the resources to undo the snap and take Thanos out of the picture. Maybe sprinkle in some kind of "Skrull" alliance so that when secret invasion comes along, there's more tension as our Kang begins moving his pieces into place.
0:40 I just love how you say spy craft after Natasha got hit with a explosive arrow and walk away without a scratch
Thank you, you put my frustrations with the show into better word than I could think of lol
I somehow got my expectations raised for this but they quickly were dashed and shattered
People were hyping the shit out of this show for no reason and when i started watching it i was like this is by no means good and felt like it should've been a movie (an avengers one like it is in the comics). And i am absolutely without a doubt DONE with the MCU, it has been nothing but mediocre central since "Endgame" with a few exceptions. But yeah i think the era of MCU is over.
This is a Drama. Not an Action Series.
Exactly! Why did they try to devolve into action at the end? Makes no sense.
and a pretty lukewarm drama at that
CW drama imo
Only thing deader than the MCU are the RUclipsrs milking the decline of the MCU for content
They did the impossible...they turned the MCU Nick Fury into another meh
From a grounded story like iron man 1. To idk where the fck this is going.
P.s- secret invasion without the avengers felt like cake without icing.
They gotta kill the 6 episode format
Scrulls are supposed to be transgenderers and "refugees"? And they're presented as evil? Damn marvel does have morals!
I really liked the first 3 episodes, they build a grounded and intriguing plot but the last 3 episodes ruined all of that. This should've been an Avengers movie and the director should've read the comic. Nick Fury is a really interesting character but he doesn't get to express any emotion in this series other than anger or surprise.
100%
Olivia Colman's scene in episode 2 is brilliant and definitely the best part of the whole show.
13:25 the show never says rhodes has been a skrull since civil war. It imo wisely avoids that question of "how long as rhides been a skrull"
That seems more lazy than wise to me.
@@vashsunglasses That's fair, I think it's smart not lazy but you feel it's lazy. What would you rather have had the show done about the reveal of Rhodes being a skrull?
😂 Loved the end note. I feel the same way. Like nah I'm done watching... Then end up watching the next thing anyways.
People are talking like Secret Invasions is the worst of the worst and MCU is dead. Honestly I don't think Secret Invasion deserve the ratings. It was a pretty good show until episode 3, then went downhill and became a Solid show, not best not worst rather a mediocre solid show.
How did they collect any enemy dna after endgame when it was all dusted????
This is how I feel..
As someone who’s been trying to continue to believe it wasn’t as bad as it’s been.. but it’s so frustrating..