there studying black Americans music genres trying to find any Puerto Rican in the music her whole channel is trying to say black music is really Puerto Rican music its pure hate
Why would they have to go from Mambo to hip hop? If they created hip hop wouldn't it be from funk to hip hop? That shows that they adopted a culture that wasn't theirs. They overlook basic logic like this.
First it was Mambo, then it was Descarga, then it was Latin Breakdown, and now it's Bomba. Dr. Colostomy Bag is throwing up any and everything just to see it stick.
We put mambo spins and turns into breaking that's the style you see today so mambo to hip hop now do you understand. Funk dance just stayed funk dancing
"We put mambo spins and turns into breaking that's the style you see today so mambo to hip hop now do you understand. Funk dance just stayed funk dancing." ---@@juicepedraz941 Show us. Notice you said you PUT...into breaking. THAT'S not creation. You Puerto Ricans brought acrobats OFF BEAT to breaking. That has nothing to do with Hip-hop. "Funk dance"...? There's no such thing as "funk dance". You mean the funky chicken? That's one of many dances that FBAs created. What dances post break dancing have Puerto Ricans created, despite the fact you all didn't create break dancing? Here's a list of dances that FBAs created from just 2010-2020: Krumping Turfing Jerkin' Cat Daddy Dougie Jookin Wop Gas Pedal Graham Dunham Ailey Bounce Dab Milly Rock Futsal Shuffle Gangsta Walking Renegade Whip Nae Nae And before all of that, we had the Cabagge Patch, the Running Man, Shackles, Crip Walk, etc. Every week on Soul Train, there was a new dance that had come out. Speaking of Soul Train, what was the Puerto Rican equivalent of that? I'll wait. Soul Train dominated the American musical cultural scene and was in global syndication.
@@juicepedraz941 Black Americans brought those moves spins and drops into Hip-Hop from earlier Black American dances. While Black Americans and Afro-Cubans were collaborating PRs were copying. After the revolution, PR just continued copying BA. PR assimilated into BA Culture.
In "Rapper's Delight " --- a 15 MINUTE SONG, Tito Puente's contribution was 45 SECONDS. 45 seconds out of 15 minutes. His conga playing was at the intro, and served as filler within the break beat. Nothing more.
@@RandomFlavor Actually he was not. But if you need these small trivials moments to give you some validation...have at it. They have a B-side I believe where his parts are not in it. Take his parts out --- it doesn't break the song; keep his parts in --- it doesn't make the song. Basically this sums up Puerto Rican contributions to Hip-hop in a nutshell.
@@EVERLASTING12000 No matter what you or any under 40 hick from the south thinks or says -- New York Puerto Ricans will never ever be erased from Hip Hop history. You can bet your excrement laden Chitlins on that.
First of all when they said salsa did not give birth to hip hop no duh we know that. It was the teenagers that mix salsa spins and turns with the black Americans dance style to create a new dance and that dance got into hip hop. Funk dance and soul train dance wasn't hip hop. The proof is in the first hip hop movies they had puerto rican breakers not soul train dancers
No y’all do not know that, y’all keep saying in. Y’all keep claiming it goes back to bomba instead of BA Funk dances were a pre-courser to hip-hop. Name the moves and who invented them.
"Funk dance and soul train dance wasn't hip hop." We came up with the name Hip-hop and break dancing. Who the hell are YOU to tell us what it is and isn't, you Juanes-come-latlelies?
@@juicepedraz941 Like I said, your kind did not CREATE IT NOR COME UP WITNH THE NAME. You don't get to say what it is or isn't. Bottomline is, your kind did NOT create nor co-create Hip-hop, y'all participated. When it comes to American culture, you all don't move the needle. BTW, there's no such thing as "Soul Train dancing", and never said there was. That's just a strawman argument that YOU created, because your arguments/lies are weak.
@@SLPGroundSoundMusic I’m answering you over here where it’s less cluttered I have made the exact same point about sampling and even DJIng. there is a weak (but not zero) cultural connection between wherever a found break comes from and the people playing dancing listening. It’s always recontextualized. This is a major problem with Colons theory - if you sample a cow bell you are somehow being influenced by Latinos. There is a flip side to that. James Browns development of the Funk, 4/4 on the ONE is the precursor to Hip-Hop beats, other genres as well. It’s not the “Latin breakdown” it’s not even a real term. And it’s fine that Island people were magnetically attracted to the sound of a Conga. But there was already a Black American tradition and style of Conga playing - it’s only the instrument which is Cuban/African.
@@AKiEM. Colon loves to major in the minors, like talking about cowbells and being and suddenly you having cowbells is being influenced by Latino music. Colon would reach . For example, he'd take a song like a live performance of Room Full Of Mirror by Jimi Hendrix and point to what sounds like a cowbell in the intro of the sound and poke his chest and scream "LATIN INFLUENCE" in Rock & Roll and Hendrix. That is dude beyond ridiculous and it's sad. I believe that people like him look at Black Americans and have a certain disdain and jealousy. Because many of them have been conditioned to view Black Americans as less than and what Black Americans have accomplished pushes back against what they have been taught. So there's some resentment there. Hip-Hop is an amalgamation of different genres of Black American music that predates the genre itself. Black Americans sampled our parents, grandparents, and even great grandparents music. Fat Joe, Dr.Colon, Busta Rhymes, or newcomer to this discussion Pete Rock can't say the same.
@@BlackMusicGenre The hispanics are mad that they are people saying that they had nothing to do with the development of hiphop.All of the pioneers from coke larock to grand master caz says they were their during hiphops infancy.it wasnt that many of them,but their wasnt that many females involved with hiphop in the beginning either.Hiphop was an underground sound that appealed almost exclusively to teenage black and hispanic boys.
What is it that you southerners, west coasters, and young folk do not understand about La Cosa Nuestra? "Flash," is clearly explaining to you the root of Hip Hop at its core. It is an amalgamation of music & culture. A culture that was only prevalent in The Bronx, NY at the time. If you take The Bronx out of Hip Hop -- you have no current day Hip Hop and culture that you are accustomed to. This unique Bronx culture will always be alien to you, because you never had the privilege of being a resident in The Bronx, NY when our culture was born by fire and brimstone. Akiem, I really hope your beat making is better than your pseudo-research and documentaries. Have a great evening...
bull shit. Here in Philly there were jams in the street and on empty lots in the 70s and early 80s here. Graffiti started in Philadelphia. Everything may have gotten its name in the Bronx NY and the culture was combined but the elements already existed which is the reason why they can't even put a date on when hip hop was actually started. I don't understand why so many New Yorkers have this entitlement which most are just recycling lies they heard before. Your own pioneers can't even get the story straight then people like KRS-one Busta Rhymes Chuck D go on spreading misinformation. Flash kool herc and them guys know the truth but I've been running with lies for years. keep it 100
@@hottrakz Philly is Down by Law, but what was going on in Philly was something way different. It was quite frankly "TSOP" Disco. Yes, many so-called pioneers of The Bronx cannot get their dates and stories straight. This is because they are not the true true pioneers, and they profoundly know such. The real pioneers are either dead, or on their death-bed. There are only a handful of us that know the real truth, and unique culture. When Hip Hop runs its course, and is set out to pasture -- the truth will shine forth like a SuperNova. Godspeed...
You're not an ethnic black American. You're the outsider. All Black Americans are culturally connected to eachother regardless of region. Black Americans were dancing to Funk and rapping all over America in the 70s and before, before Rapper's Delight came out. It's you immigrants that don't understand the culture.
@@RandomFlavor Stop with the lies! Any Black American who has a parent or family in a different region knows there is a cultural connection there. I'm from Detroit, my mom is from New York and the only difference is the accent. My family in New York has the exact same cultre as people in Detroit, excluding very minor differences such as slang. I've traveled to DC, Baltimore, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Boston and many other places and never felt like I was in a a different culture there among ethnic Black Americans (non immigrants). I would not have to wonder what those folks are gonna have for Thanksgiving.
DAMMMM facts is kyrptonite to these Puerto Rican
Very good research my brother.
Theses ppl are sick
there studying black Americans music genres trying to find any Puerto Rican in the music her whole channel is trying to say black music is really Puerto Rican music its pure hate
Who?
Hate crimes
Why would they have to go from Mambo to hip hop? If they created hip hop wouldn't it be from funk to hip hop? That shows that they adopted a culture that wasn't theirs. They overlook basic logic like this.
It's a misnomer. There was no Mambo in Hip-Hop.
First it was Mambo, then it was Descarga, then it was Latin Breakdown, and now it's Bomba. Dr. Colostomy Bag is throwing up any and everything just to see it stick.
We put mambo spins and turns into breaking that's the style you see today so mambo to hip hop now do you understand. Funk dance just stayed funk dancing
"We put mambo spins and turns into breaking that's the style you see today so mambo to hip hop now do you understand. Funk dance just stayed funk dancing." ---@@juicepedraz941
Show us. Notice you said you PUT...into breaking. THAT'S not creation. You Puerto Ricans brought acrobats OFF BEAT to breaking. That has nothing to do with Hip-hop.
"Funk dance"...? There's no such thing as "funk dance". You mean the funky chicken? That's one of many dances that FBAs created. What dances post break dancing have Puerto Ricans created, despite the fact you all didn't create break dancing?
Here's a list of dances that FBAs created from just 2010-2020:
Krumping
Turfing
Jerkin'
Cat Daddy
Dougie
Jookin
Wop
Gas Pedal
Graham
Dunham
Ailey
Bounce
Dab
Milly Rock
Futsal Shuffle
Gangsta Walking
Renegade
Whip
Nae Nae
And before all of that, we had the Cabagge Patch, the Running Man, Shackles, Crip Walk, etc. Every week on Soul Train, there was a new dance that had come out. Speaking of Soul Train, what was the Puerto Rican equivalent of that? I'll wait. Soul Train dominated the American musical cultural scene and was in global syndication.
@@juicepedraz941 Black Americans brought those moves spins and drops into Hip-Hop from earlier Black American dances.
While Black Americans and Afro-Cubans were collaborating PRs were copying. After the revolution, PR just continued copying BA. PR assimilated into BA Culture.
Outstanding homework
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In "Rapper's Delight " --- a 15 MINUTE SONG, Tito Puente's contribution was 45 SECONDS. 45 seconds out of 15 minutes. His conga playing was at the intro, and served as filler within the break beat. Nothing more.
One minute, two minutes, sixty minutes. It's all the same. He was instrumental on the track. No pun intended...
@@RandomFlavor Actually he was not. But if you need these small trivials moments to give you some validation...have at it. They have a B-side I believe where his parts are not in it. Take his parts out --- it doesn't break the song; keep his parts in --- it doesn't make the song.
Basically this sums up Puerto Rican contributions to Hip-hop in a nutshell.
@@EVERLASTING12000 No matter what you or any under 40 hick from the south thinks or says -- New York Puerto Ricans will never ever be erased from Hip Hop history. You can bet your excrement laden Chitlins on that.
@RandomFlavor yall are destroying your own legacy with all these lies
@@AKiEM. Lies? Is this how you nurture your wounded ego? Hey, do your thing. Get some counseling on top of it...
First of all when they said salsa did not give birth to hip hop no duh we know that. It was the teenagers that mix salsa spins and turns with the black Americans dance style to create a new dance and that dance got into hip hop. Funk dance and soul train dance wasn't hip hop. The proof is in the first hip hop movies they had puerto rican breakers not soul train dancers
No y’all do not know that, y’all keep saying in.
Y’all keep claiming it goes back to bomba instead of BA
Funk dances were a pre-courser to hip-hop.
Name the moves and who invented them.
"Funk dance and soul train dance wasn't hip hop."
We came up with the name Hip-hop and break dancing. Who the hell are YOU to tell us what it is and isn't, you Juanes-come-latlelies?
@@EVERLASTING12000 ok man soul train dancing is hip hop bro I'm done with fba nonsense
@@juicepedraz941 Like I said, your kind did not CREATE IT NOR COME UP WITNH THE NAME. You don't get to say what it is or isn't. Bottomline is, your kind did NOT create nor co-create Hip-hop, y'all participated.
When it comes to American culture, you all don't move the needle.
BTW, there's no such thing as "Soul Train dancing", and never said there was. That's just a strawman argument that YOU created, because your arguments/lies are weak.
Great homework
so you said that you haven't even sample olle como va of Tito Puente, so my question is are you a beat maker ? just asking!
yeah
@@AKiEM. ah ok cool 👍🏽
@@SLPGroundSoundMusic I’m answering you over here where it’s less cluttered
I have made the exact same point about sampling and even DJIng. there is a weak (but not zero) cultural connection between wherever a found break comes from and the people playing dancing listening. It’s always recontextualized.
This is a major problem with Colons theory - if you sample a cow bell you are somehow being influenced by Latinos.
There is a flip side to that. James Browns development of the Funk, 4/4 on the ONE is the precursor to Hip-Hop beats, other genres as well. It’s not the “Latin breakdown” it’s not even a real term.
And it’s fine that Island people were magnetically attracted to the sound of a Conga. But there was already a Black American tradition and style of Conga playing - it’s only the instrument which is Cuban/African.
@@AKiEM. Colon loves to major in the minors, like talking about cowbells and being and suddenly you having cowbells is being influenced by Latino music. Colon would reach . For example, he'd take a song like a live performance of Room Full Of Mirror by Jimi Hendrix and point to what sounds like a cowbell in the intro of the sound and poke his chest and scream "LATIN INFLUENCE" in Rock & Roll and Hendrix. That is dude beyond ridiculous and it's sad. I believe that people like him look at Black Americans and have a certain disdain and jealousy. Because many of them have been conditioned to view Black Americans as less than and what Black Americans have accomplished pushes back against what they have been taught. So there's some resentment there. Hip-Hop is an amalgamation of different genres of Black American music that predates the genre itself. Black Americans sampled our parents, grandparents, and even great grandparents music. Fat Joe, Dr.Colon, Busta Rhymes, or newcomer to this discussion Pete Rock can't say the same.
@@BlackMusicGenre The hispanics are mad that they are people saying that they had nothing to do with the development of hiphop.All of the pioneers from coke larock to grand master caz says they were their during hiphops infancy.it wasnt that many of them,but their wasnt that many females involved with hiphop in the beginning either.Hiphop was an underground sound that appealed almost exclusively to teenage black and hispanic boys.
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What is it that you southerners, west coasters, and young folk do not understand about La Cosa Nuestra? "Flash," is clearly explaining to you the root of Hip Hop at its core. It is an amalgamation of music & culture. A culture that was only prevalent in The Bronx, NY at the time. If you take The Bronx out of Hip Hop -- you have no current day Hip Hop and culture that you are accustomed to. This unique Bronx culture will always be alien to you, because you never had the privilege of being a resident in The Bronx, NY when our culture was born by fire and brimstone. Akiem, I really hope your beat making is better than your pseudo-research and documentaries. Have a great evening...
bull shit. Here in Philly there were jams in the street and on empty lots in the 70s and early 80s here. Graffiti started in Philadelphia. Everything may have gotten its name in the Bronx NY and the culture was combined but the elements already existed which is the reason why they can't even put a date on when hip hop was actually started. I don't understand why so many New Yorkers have this entitlement which most are just recycling lies they heard before. Your own pioneers can't even get the story straight then people like KRS-one Busta Rhymes Chuck D go on spreading misinformation. Flash kool herc and them guys know the truth but I've been running with lies for years. keep it 100
@@hottrakz Philly is Down by Law, but what was going on in Philly was something way different. It was quite frankly "TSOP" Disco. Yes, many so-called pioneers of The Bronx cannot get their dates and stories straight. This is because they are not the true true pioneers, and they profoundly know such. The real pioneers are either dead, or on their death-bed. There are only a handful of us that know the real truth, and unique culture. When Hip Hop runs its course, and is set out to pasture -- the truth will shine forth like a SuperNova. Godspeed...
You're not an ethnic black American. You're the outsider. All Black Americans are culturally connected to eachother regardless of region. Black Americans were dancing to Funk and rapping all over America in the 70s and before, before Rapper's Delight came out. It's you immigrants that don't understand the culture.
@@americasmaker Culturally connected? Please! You guys are so disconnected from each other that it is not even funny! Have a great evening...
@@RandomFlavor Stop with the lies! Any Black American who has a parent or family in a different region knows there is a cultural connection there. I'm from Detroit, my mom is from New York and the only difference is the accent. My family in New York has the exact same cultre as people in Detroit, excluding very minor differences such as slang. I've traveled to DC, Baltimore, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Boston and many other places and never felt like I was in a a different culture there among ethnic Black Americans (non immigrants). I would not have to wonder what those folks are gonna have for Thanksgiving.