I miss the old Spirit Bomb... how it with all its glory, lifts its target into the air and obliterates them. All whilst we get treated to its lightning-like flair!
Turles didn't eat the whole fruit mind you. He took ONE bite and then crushed the rest of it, cause he believed it was all he needed. Imagine if he ate the whole fruit instead of wasting 95%of it, he would've been monstrous
Dude all the movies that were on toonami back in the 90s I loved Fridays we'd order pizza and two liters of pop play video games and watch toonami they always had an awesome anime movie fridays I loved all the stuff back then being like 9 10 years old maybe younger
After eating the fruit of the Tree of Might, Turles is able to swat x10 Kaioken Goku with minimum difficulty. Something that you guys overlooked, was that Goku was unable to use the x10 Kaioken until after his training at 100g. After his arrival on namek, and subsequent defeat of the Ginyu force, Ginyu states that his powerlevel would be somewhere around 60,000. Goku uses a normal x2 standard Kaioken, and his power jumps up to 180,000. So we know that the level of strength required for the x10 Kaioken is about 60,000. You also seem to forget that Goku and freinds can hide their powerlevels. Goku would especially do this if he was utterly outclassed by his opponent. Goku using x10 Kaioken would have a powerlevel of 600,000, a level beyond first form Freeza. Turles, who knocked x10 Goku away without suffering any kind of damage, would have a powerlevel FAR greater than that. His power would probably be at least twice Goku's. (though I will admit that this is speculation) Turles is not as strong as FF Freeza, by any stretch of the imagination. However his power definitely breeches 1,000,000, after eating the fruit from the Tree of Might. Turles would have a powerlevel of 1,400,000. To put that into view, Freeza's powerlevel in his third form, was 1,300,000. Also, please note that even Freeza showed appearant shock when Goku used x20 kaioken to actually hurt him. The fact that Turles said that Goku's power was "Skyrocketing" in no way indicates that Goku can even challenge him in strength. Honestly, i don't agree with your incredible nerf of the Character, but I do appreciate the video and will leave a like.
iGetBuckets-_- What's dickeating? Also if I remember correctly, that wasn't from dbza. That was it's own individual meme. Fake rhymestyle? No shit sherlock, the name totally didn't give it away... And it's a fan account featuring the fact that rhymesthle used to be the "LR" king in Dokkan Battle for always pulling LR's, vice versa for Nano because he has his own version...
He was about equal with Goku, then he ate from the tree of might and beat kkx10 Goku, then he ate another fruit, he should be above Frieza first form and below Frieza second form
Koolaccel they talked about what would happen if he ate another fruit. We already know roughly how powerful he is after eating one, as it is stated in the Daizenshuu so they were expanding upon that.
Turles is in an interesting place. On the one hand, his video comes out during the Namek Saga. Logic states that Turles is comparable to Frieza's minions or the Ginyu Force. Goku notably uses two abilities: Spirit Bomb and Kaio-Ken x10/20. The fact that Goku can go Kaio-Ken x10 at least suggests that Turles is at least comparable to Captain Ginyu. After all his training, where Goku claims he can easily do Kaio-Ken x10 now, Goku was a bit stronger than Captain Ginyu. Now, if you assume the original dialogue of 10x Kaio-Ken, then that means Goku had to multiply his power by ten. Per the movie booklet, as you mention, Turles has a PL near 30,000, and is then jumped to over Goku's PL at 300,000. Turles STILL wins, but mathematically speaking, Turles is still weaker than Frieza. So, in short, Turles is significantly stronger than KK10 Goku. Since power scale goes off % differences rather than actual numbers, we can safely estimate that Turles probably had a PL in the 400k+ range, possibly more. Goku's Spirit Bomb, with no numbers, was far higher than Turles' power.
Yeah when I first seen the movie on Toonami for the first time.. I assume this was before the whole Space Travel too planet Namke .. so Vegeta was beaten this was around the time they be training .. 6 year old video but still a interesting subject .
I was actually a fan of the tree of might. it was an interesting concept to drain the planets energy to get great power. thought it confused me at the time, still does a bit, but turles was pretty much the closest we got to an evil goku. I loved that turles came back know xenoverse 2 as more of a bigger threat. it's a nice change of pace from the usual frieza , cell and buus.
For a minute, I thought you were going to say Goku was Ginyu Fight level in base and I was about to go in lol. I'd like to bring up that Turles went up by over 10x power WITH ONE BITE of the Fruit. By the End he's eaten 2 Whole Fruits. So your friends analysis is bit off. Otherwise decent video.
Turles is my favorite Dragonball Z villain. I really enjoyed this video. I think one thing that I didn't hear get mentioned that may help establish Turles power level is that Takao Koyama states that there's a formula with the villains of the movies. Each villain in a movie is stronger than the previous one. With Turles, he's stronger than Dr. Wheelo but weaker than Lord Slug. So if there are correct power levels of those villains out there, it may be possible to figure out Turles.
Yet he did the Super Saiyan Bardock vs. Freeza, which really couldn't be answered. Not all of his videos give definitive answers, as some as mere guesses. It just comes down to which videos he wants to do and if there is enough content there for his standards.
I think there should be an arc focused on piccolo and Gohan I made a scenario on how to make them great again. goku and vegeta are training in the room of spirit and time. new villain shows up that is very evil and cold blooded. rivals piccolo in intelligence and Gohan in fighting potential. the villain nearly kills Gohan then he tries to kill pan. piccolo does his best to defend pan but is ultimately beaten to near death. the villain spares them. Gohan and piccolo are very pissed that they could do nothing to protect pan and that she'd be dead if the villain didn't spare them. they decide to train with whis in the room of spirit and time for 3 years while goku and vegeta fight the villain and beat him but he escapes. the villain trains and powers up in the 3 days piccolo and Gohan are training. maybe even give the villain a twin with equal power so Gohan and piccolo can get a victory.
SaturnineXTS You're right, it was deduced based on information by Kanzenshuu: www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/anime/ Goku's power level picked up by the scouter was 30,000 and he used Kaioken x10. Turtles beat him so his power level is deduced to be >300,000
In my opinion, this battle took place around the Ginyu force. Let's take into account gokus 180000 PL and turles would be around Ginyus max before eating the fruit. After eating the fruit I assume he's at the level of 1st form frieza and gokus level would be nail/piccolo's PL
As always GREAT...sorry, EXCELLENT work :D I know what you mean, Turles ate 1 piece of fruit while fighting Goku, and then ate ANOTHER fruit while Goku was gathering ki for his Spirit Bomb. He drops it to the group (Turles does with the fruit) when he notices something odd about the aura/air around him in the tree. That was when Goku screamed out TURLES!! and turned around to fire his "Super Spirit Bomb" as King Kai stated. So before dying he did eat 2 pieces of fruit, but I don't think (assumption here) that each fruit boosts his power the same as it did the first time. Just assuming, but can't wait for your next video man! There is no telling how strong this original Black Goku was lol
Son Goku Power Level: 31,000 Turles Power Level (Suppressed) Power Level: 38,000 Full Power Turles Power Level: 42,000 Goku Kaioken x 10 Power Level: 310,000 Turles x Fruit Power Level: 399,000 Genkidama Power Level: 500,000
And let's just take this for example let's say you eat the fruit entirely, and it gives you a times 10 multiplier oh, and let's say there is 10 fruit on the tree which we know there's more
That would mean if he ate all 10 oh, he would get a hundred times boost, which is roughly equal to Super Saiyan 2, maybe stronger because no stamina drain
This is one of the only movies with 3 dubs. TV Special Pioneer dub (you singed my fingernails), Uncut Pioneer dub (that was hot & spicy), and the Funi dub (how does it feel being beaten).
This movie still make no sense in the main timeline (like most movie) but Turles still got a badass look to him and i'm glad we'll see him a bit more in Xenoverse 2.
My only comment is that 400k seems to be low-balling Turles in a big way. The way the video talks about that fight makes it seem like it was way closer than it was. While some simple math can put Goku in the area of 300k with the X10, Turles did not "have the upper hand" Turles was Cake-walking x10 goku. He curbstomped the hell out of him in no time flat. That was not a close fight. I've heard some people in the past say that ESTIMATED, to be able to hand somebody their ass, you have to be at least twice as strong. With this logic, Turles would be AROUND 600k at minimum in my eyes. He had absolutely no difficulty working over x10 Goku.
I know this is old, but Vegeta beat the hell out of Cui on Namek and he was no where near twice as strong. Cui and Saiyan Saga Vegeta were stated to be near equals and Vegeta trashed him at only 24k, which a 25% difference from Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
3rd form freeza after he ate the fruit! but he ate 2 fruits, the second one was when goku was climbing the three we even see the remains of the fruit at turles feet!
Ahhh I was wondering there hehe, I only seen the Ocean Dub of this movie a long time ago, that's why I couldn't remember this changes that you was talking about.^^
so the pioneer home release of tree of might is rare, huh? that's pretty cool considering that is the first dvd i ever watched! got it with the last action hero when my pops bought our families first dvd player in the late '90s (that shit was like $700 btw...crazy)
Turles did eat at least one more piece of fruit, but by that time, Goku was sucking the energy out of the tree for the Spirit Bomb, so it's reasonable to assume that Turles gained nothing from eating more fruit, since Goku already took it all.
imagine if the fruit was 10x for each piece so its 40,000 400,000 4,000,000(stronger than 3rd form frieza and about as strong as final form frieza when he was toying around with vegeta) 40,000,000 400,000,000 4,000,000,000 (he only ate 5 fruits and hes already this strong) (you get the idea from here) trivia: how many fruits would he have to eat to rival beerus?
Turles is from the same Clan as Goku and raditz hints why he looks so similar to Goku. Fun fact: in a spin off he's actually friends with raditz growing up. It's possible he could be Goku and raditz half brother and has a different mother but the same father Bardock... Hints why he looks like Goku and Bardock. Or he could be a science experiment of bardocks who was a great scientist and could have cloned himself to grow up with raditz... Just a theory... But from what I know. He's just from the same Clan as Goku raditz and Bardock. Could be a distant cousin, Half brother or clone.
One thing that I do wonder about though, is whether the boost you gain from eating a fruit from the Tree of Might is temporary or *permanent*. Also, I suspect eating more than one fruit within a certain time frame may come with a drawback of some kind (less effective, causes some sort of temporary injury later, etc.), hence why Turles said that he still had one fruit left "in case of an emergency". Turles saying that makes me suspect that there is a drawback to eating more than one fruit within a certain period of time.
Alright just gonna clear it up. Tullece is only 19k without the fruit. Tullece: 19,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet - after eating the Shinseijū fruit: over 300,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Z Movie 03
LightwithintheShadow The movie pamphlets will always override the game pamphlets. The game pamphlets are for well the games only and not to be used with the series vice versa
LightwithintheShadow Sorry RUclips didn't show me this comment once again. Yes Broly would have been roughly that strong but that is very weak. Cell through power scaling should be roughly 10x that
+LighwithintheShadow the 1.4B for Broly is also in V-Jump so I would say that trumps the pamphlet. +DragonBallZLive v2 there is no way through power scaling to determine even a range of Cell's power level, not that it matters. Broly was clearly more powerful than Cell, anyway, just for the sheer fact that Goku was almost as powerful than Cell, but was far weaker than Broly. If you want to make a case for Cell after blowing himself up, then that might be a different story.
Sean Dobbins Broly was around 60% of Cell. Broly lost to normal SSJs. Cell best MSSJs. We can roughly get Cell. Freeza was 120m The androids were stated by Trunks to completely dwarf Freeza in power so we can assume their around 500m+ Imperfect Cell was above them probably around 700m Second Form Cell should have been around 900m as 16 hit him with a full power punch and Cell didn't even notice it and 16 was stronger then Imperfect Cell Perfect Cell completely dwarfs Semi Perfect Cell In power as Goku as an MSSJ was only around half and Gohan who was stronger then Goku didn't even push him much farther probably around 60%. I'd say Cell is roughly 3B going Full Power
*Tullece ate 2 fruits from the tree in the movie. Remember that he crushed the 1st one after taking a bite of it, and near the end when he noticed the tree is giving off energy, we see another fruit drop to the floor that was bitten into.*
I had always assumed the movie was set after Vegeta, but before Namek. With that said, I considered Turles to be Vegeta with a Tree of Might at his disposal, which I think is a cool concept. The only part about Turles that bugged me was the fact he was identical to Goku... yet Raditz is the brother?! It always made me wonder if the designs were switched at some point.
It wouldn't be the first time a dub changed dialogue to fit animation better, as it is cheaper to do so and was a very common practice back then. A big example would be with Naruto and his "Believe It!" catchphrase, as it was used a lot more in the dub than that of the original (whilst the original did use catchphrases, it was not used nearly as much. Especially so later down the line in the story.).
He does not think he's Japanese he just prefers the Japanese dub since the English has some confusing changes. It's called an opinion everyone has one.
it wasnt a dub change geekdom, in Japanese versions of BOTH the original dbz and dragon ball KAI. goku DOES use a kaioken X20 against frieza. go back and look for your self if you want, dragon ball kai episode 45: "It's a 20-Fold Kaioken! A Kamehameha with Everything on the Line" / "Kaio-Ken Times Twenty! An All-Or-Nothing Kamehame-Ha!", and original DBZ episode 91: Showdown!! The Embodiment of Flame in a 20-Times Kaio-ken Kamehame-ha
Considering that Vegata was around 300K when he challenged 1st form Frieza on Namek and was able to match him for a bit, I think Turles would had to been much stronger to destroy Goku they way he did. Also just before Goku through the Spirit Bomb empowered by the Tree, Turles had eaten like 4 more pieces of fruit.
But their math is wrong... If Kaiou-Ken (x1) gives them a (hypathetical) x2 multiplier... How does Kaiou-Ken (x10) only give him a x10 multiplier? What about 2-9? One of those multipliers is either missing, or the math for that is just completely wrong. Lol. And ALOT of people neglect to notice that's not how the Kaiou-Ken works. It's a 2x multiplier for the first one, and 1.5x for the ones after that. Meaning Kaiou-Ken x10 for Goku at a power level of 30,000 is NOT 300,000... But 465,000. It takes roughly a 15% power level boost over your opponent to strictly dominate your opposition as demonstrated with Vegeta over Dodoria, Kui and first form Zarbon, as well as second form... So at bare minimum, Turles AFTER eating just a bite from the fruit was AT THE VERY LEAST... 534,750+ which is equal to first form Frieza. As for that last bit, he DID eat a a whole second fruit while Goku before Goku initially started charging. But the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) was able to beat him. And since there is no real set on the growth from eating the fruit, I'd max him at no more than 750,000. The spirit bomb had no energy to draw on, so it couldn't have been THAT powerful.
Jei Johnson tl;dr after the first paragraph. Have you considered the zenkai boosts after each Kaio-ken? Hmmm? Do you know what their multipliers are? They did this non-seriously because they know power levels don't mean anything, It's more of a way to be like "Huh, I guess Turles is strong then."
Cuttlefish N.W. Sure, but... Where did the Zenkai boosts take place in that movie? No one recovered from injuries... So if you can show where the Zenkai boosts took place in said-movie, I'd like to know. That way we can add it into the equation. Secondly, I know they did, but just saying, because their math is off, he was actually slightly stronger than first form Frieza, and yeah I know how multipliers work, if you did the math, you would know there's no way Kaiou-Ken x10 = 10x the power, when Kaiou-Ken x1 is 2x the power. I was just pointing out that people don't know how Kaiou-Ken works, strictly because they are used to x1 and x10 and x15, so people just assume when it's actually wrong. And wrong... Power levels were EVERYTHING up until a certain point during canon - that point being the end of the Frieza Saga. Only after that point were they really nothing. But I get what you mean, power levels mean nothing because it's a non-canon movie.
Its pretty easy. Goku in his normal form is around 30k+ Turles was rivaling that but was maybe slightly superior. Goku with a Kaioken x10 would be around 300k Turles thrashed Goku with eating the fruit is around 450k to 600k. If Turles kept eating the fruit he would probably overwhelm Final Form Freeza.
Stronger than Raditz but weaker than Zeno would be my educated guess
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Cristian lmao
Cristian Im still not sure....
Cristian you may just be a gr8 prognosticator 😅
I think you're right...
Turles was an average fighter, but a brilliant botanist!
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They need to promote piccolo to a Kai or something. Hate seeing him work for chichi.
pretty good idea
nice idea
Audiotv facts bro!
Once Chi Chi had green, there was no going back.
Baby Broly Lmaoooo
I miss the old Spirit Bomb... how it with all its glory, lifts its target into the air and obliterates them. All whilst we get treated to its lightning-like flair!
yeah the spirit bomb that hit vegeta was just glorious
The spirit bomb on frieza was super spirit bomb kinda cause he was harnessing energy from everywhere
The good old days when it was actually fun to power scale and still made sense 😂
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Good old days indeed
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 …it hasn’t made sense since 1993
"You know I have a lisp, man"
"Nah, yeah I know. I don't want to get on that list, bro."
ArchangelExile caught that too lmao
@@broddegotshrooms that was mean
I remember the hit Turles got on Goku. He hit with so much force he bounced off the ground from the inertia. It was Dope!
Ya tree of might was good except that gohan drawing
turles is my fav dragon ball villain and I'm happy to see more turles fans we should keep shouting at toei to make turles cannon and op
I love how he fucks up Piccolo like four times in an hour long movie.
Turles didn't eat the whole fruit mind you. He took ONE bite and then crushed the rest of it, cause he believed it was all he needed. Imagine if he ate the whole fruit instead of wasting 95%of it, he would've been monstrous
He probably thought it was a alien devil fruit that gave him super saiyan powers in his base form
Thank you for pointing that out; I am surprised and frustrated they failed to mention that.
It shows an almost finished apple dropping to the ground, implying that Turles did finish at least one.
That’s what i was thinking too
I love Turles he's my favorite character. I would love to see him get worked into the canon story if possible.
Honestly loved DBZ movie Villains to bad they're not hinted at being actually canon in the main timelines
This movie was the shit back in the days
for real this movie got me into dbz
Dude all the movies that were on toonami back in the 90s I loved Fridays we'd order pizza and two liters of pop play video games and watch toonami they always had an awesome anime movie fridays I loved all the stuff back then being like 9 10 years old maybe younger
The World's Stronger was the shit! I recorded the first 3 DBZ movies on VHS. :)
My favorite DBZ movie, Tree of Might!
@Stonacane 420 I feel like I'm the only one that was watching DBZ as a toddler.😂😂😂
actualy, in dragonball, mr popo made a fake goku out of clay and the water of life so turles isnt the first doppleganger of goku
it wasn't evil.
If Popo made it, then it was definitely evil
Grant Schafer popo isn't evil.
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Pon3X abridged?
After eating the fruit of the Tree of Might, Turles is able to swat x10 Kaioken Goku with minimum difficulty. Something that you guys overlooked, was that Goku was unable to use the x10 Kaioken until after his training at 100g. After his arrival on namek, and subsequent defeat of the Ginyu force, Ginyu states that his powerlevel would be somewhere around 60,000. Goku uses a normal x2 standard Kaioken, and his power jumps up to 180,000. So we know that the level of strength required for the x10 Kaioken is about 60,000. You also seem to forget that Goku and freinds can hide their powerlevels. Goku would especially do this if he was utterly outclassed by his opponent.
Goku using x10 Kaioken would have a powerlevel of 600,000, a level beyond first form Freeza. Turles, who knocked x10 Goku away without suffering any kind of damage, would have a powerlevel FAR greater than that. His power would probably be at least twice Goku's. (though I will admit that this is speculation)
Turles is not as strong as FF Freeza, by any stretch of the imagination. However his power definitely breeches 1,000,000, after eating the fruit from the Tree of Might. Turles would have a powerlevel of 1,400,000. To put that into view, Freeza's powerlevel in his third form, was 1,300,000. Also, please note that even Freeza showed appearant shock when Goku used x20 kaioken to actually hurt him. The fact that Turles said that Goku's power was "Skyrocketing" in no way indicates that Goku can even challenge him in strength.
Honestly, i don't agree with your incredible nerf of the Character, but I do appreciate the video and will leave a like.
Agreed
This makes more sense than the video. They sounded like nappa was on the same level or something...
+Ryan HawkinsIn what regard?
Freezas final form has a power level of 120,000,000 not 1,300,000 wtf don’t make up random facts
I thought the last recorded power level was 15 million, and it was SS1 Goku?
turles: want the kid back tell me a joke.
piccolo: your scouter is red your armor is blue you only get laid because you look like goku.
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What's dickeating? Also if I remember correctly, that wasn't from dbza. That was it's own individual meme. Fake rhymestyle? No shit sherlock, the name totally didn't give it away... And it's a fan account featuring the fact that rhymesthle used to be the "LR" king in Dokkan Battle for always pulling LR's, vice versa for Nano because he has his own version...
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LOL THAT WAS CORNY AS FUCK
Uhmmmm... its pronounced the Christmas Tree of Might
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The tree of Christmas spirit
Zavelar99: The cannabis tree of might!
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Original Ocean Dub
"You know I got a lisp."
"I don't want to end up on your list"
The irony
He was about equal with Goku, then he ate from the tree of might and beat kkx10 Goku, then he ate another fruit, he should be above Frieza first form and below Frieza second form
They already basically said that.
But he only took one bite of the first fruit, and then crushed it because the sudden expansion of his muscles made him clench his fist.
Ben English it's possible he only needed a single bite to gain the effects.
Sean Dobbins They didn’t. The whole video is based on Turles eating 1 fruit.
Koolaccel they talked about what would happen if he ate another fruit. We already know roughly how powerful he is after eating one, as it is stated in the Daizenshuu so they were expanding upon that.
Turles is in an interesting place.
On the one hand, his video comes out during the Namek Saga. Logic states that Turles is comparable to Frieza's minions or the Ginyu Force.
Goku notably uses two abilities: Spirit Bomb and Kaio-Ken x10/20. The fact that Goku can go Kaio-Ken x10 at least suggests that Turles is at least comparable to Captain Ginyu. After all his training, where Goku claims he can easily do Kaio-Ken x10 now, Goku was a bit stronger than Captain Ginyu.
Now, if you assume the original dialogue of 10x Kaio-Ken, then that means Goku had to multiply his power by ten. Per the movie booklet, as you mention, Turles has a PL near 30,000, and is then jumped to over Goku's PL at 300,000. Turles STILL wins, but mathematically speaking, Turles is still weaker than Frieza.
So, in short, Turles is significantly stronger than KK10 Goku. Since power scale goes off % differences rather than actual numbers, we can safely estimate that Turles probably had a PL in the 400k+ range, possibly more.
Goku's Spirit Bomb, with no numbers, was far higher than Turles' power.
Yeah when I first seen the movie on Toonami for the first time.. I assume this was before the whole Space Travel too planet Namke .. so Vegeta was beaten this was around the time they be training .. 6 year old video but still a interesting subject .
I was actually a fan of the tree of might. it was an interesting concept to drain the planets energy to get great power. thought it confused me at the time, still does a bit, but turles was pretty much the closest we got to an evil goku.
I loved that turles came back know xenoverse 2 as more of a bigger threat. it's a nice change of pace from the usual frieza , cell and buus.
honestly, i prefer Turles to goku black.
Turles doesn't have that badass theme song. But still i would've liked if he was canon. And had his own story arc.
kevin carballo same
Same.
Hell no Goku Black is awesome the justices of the gods lol
Why? He was a pretty generic movie villain, with no depth
For a minute, I thought you were going to say Goku was Ginyu Fight level in base and I was about to go in lol.
I'd like to bring up that Turles went up by over 10x power WITH ONE BITE of the Fruit. By the End he's eaten 2 Whole Fruits. So your friends analysis is bit off.
Otherwise decent video.
SethTheProgrammer lol get rig rekt
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Too class power scaling
Frieza was mentioned. They wanted the fruit and to kill frieza.
Happy birthday geekman
I love how he says "you know I got a lisp" but geekdom thought he said list and was like I don't wanna get on that list bro 😂
Tree of Might had one of my favorite ways to kill a villain. Using the Genki Dama with the tree of mights energy was super cool to me.
How Strong is Turles?
Answer: Over 9000
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Turles is my favorite Dragonball Z villain. I really enjoyed this video. I think one thing that I didn't hear get mentioned that may help establish Turles power level is that Takao Koyama states that there's a formula with the villains of the movies. Each villain in a movie is stronger than the previous one. With Turles, he's stronger than Dr. Wheelo but weaker than Lord Slug. So if there are correct power levels of those villains out there, it may be possible to figure out Turles.
And then there's always Oozaru for an additional 10x boost if he ever decided to use it against an opponent.
Oozarou plus fruit 👀
He didn't eat the fruit he bite it
He ate a second one later they shpwed a clip of it in this
when i was young, i thought the dubbed called him, Turdless.
Geekdom can u do a video if piccolo can become strong if he trains with whis?
SSGSS GOKU He's said he doesn't really do questions that CAN'T BE ANSWERED
Yet he did the Super Saiyan Bardock vs. Freeza, which really couldn't be answered. Not all of his videos give definitive answers, as some as mere guesses. It just comes down to which videos he wants to do and if there is enough content there for his standards.
I think there should be an arc focused on piccolo and Gohan I made a scenario on how to make them great again.
goku and vegeta are training in the room of spirit and time.
new villain shows up that is very evil and cold blooded. rivals piccolo in intelligence and Gohan in fighting potential.
the villain nearly kills Gohan then he tries to kill pan.
piccolo does his best to defend pan but is ultimately beaten to near death.
the villain spares them.
Gohan and piccolo are very pissed that they could do nothing to protect pan and that she'd be dead if the villain didn't spare them.
they decide to train with whis in the room of spirit and time for 3 years while goku and vegeta fight the villain and beat him but he escapes.
the villain trains and powers up in the 3 days piccolo and Gohan are training.
maybe even give the villain a twin with equal power so Gohan and piccolo can get a victory.
@@TheTerminator8397 LOL they copied Ur idea in the Gohan movie
300,000 according to Kanzenshuu, making him weaker than Freeza 1st form but stronger than Goku who fought Ginyu.
I never saw that number in any databook
SaturnineXTS You're right, it was deduced based on information by Kanzenshuu: www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/anime/
Goku's power level picked up by the scouter was 30,000 and he used Kaioken x10. Turtles beat him so his power level is deduced to be >300,000
Makes perfect sense. Putting him around 400k seems reasonable.
If they ever made a Movie with Turles Bardock and Broly they would earn a shit ton of $$$
In the Malaysian dub when he says his name it sounds like he's saying Trash.
King-K9 yea lol
link me to it
StrawHatBoundMan just search for DragonBall speedy dub and again don't die of laughter
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King-K9 true
Tree of might fruit looks like a cell infected with coronavirus
In my opinion, this battle took place around the Ginyu force. Let's take into account gokus 180000 PL and turles would be around Ginyus max before eating the fruit. After eating the fruit I assume he's at the level of 1st form frieza and gokus level would be nail/piccolo's PL
As always GREAT...sorry, EXCELLENT work :D I know what you mean, Turles ate 1 piece of fruit while fighting Goku, and then ate ANOTHER fruit while Goku was gathering ki for his Spirit Bomb. He drops it to the group (Turles does with the fruit) when he notices something odd about the aura/air around him in the tree.
That was when Goku screamed out TURLES!! and turned around to fire his "Super Spirit Bomb" as King Kai stated. So before dying he did eat 2 pieces of fruit, but I don't think (assumption here) that each fruit boosts his power the same as it did the first time.
Just assuming, but can't wait for your next video man! There is no telling how strong this original Black Goku was lol
Son Goku Power Level: 31,000
Turles Power Level (Suppressed) Power Level: 38,000
Full Power Turles Power Level: 42,000
Goku Kaioken x 10 Power Level: 310,000
Turles x Fruit Power Level: 399,000
Genkidama Power Level: 500,000
Thank you guys for your video. Love that you make reference to the pioneer version, BEST ones ever!!
I love the art style of this movie! When I was a kid I loved vegeta but when I saw turles I freaked and wished he was in the series
Great video as always Geekdom!
I wish they would do something like what they did for Broly and make a canon version of Turles. I've always really liked him.
Idk if this helps but in XenoVerse 2 elder Kai did say that only kais where ment to eat the fruit
2:09
What if he ate a lot of fruit
And if you ask "how many?"
I'd say "Enough"
Please do this for a video in the future, what would happen if Turles ate the entire fruit, and also what is Turles ate all the fruit on the tree
And let's just take this for example let's say you eat the fruit entirely, and it gives you a times 10 multiplier oh, and let's say there is 10 fruit on the tree which we know there's more
That would mean if he ate all 10 oh, he would get a hundred times boost, which is roughly equal to Super Saiyan 2, maybe stronger because no stamina drain
"THIS IS CHRISTMAS, MELON FARMER!!!!!!!" -Goku dbza
Bro that is an amazing voice over. Freeezaaa!!!
The FIRST "evil goku"
This is one of the only movies with 3 dubs. TV Special Pioneer dub (you singed my fingernails), Uncut Pioneer dub (that was hot & spicy), and the Funi dub (how does it feel being beaten).
Forgot about that fingernail line lol. Memory unlocked
Tenkaichi 2 actually changed it to 10x during the cinematic
Hi geekdom! Keep up the great work!
This movie still make no sense in the main timeline (like most movie) but Turles still got a badass look to him and i'm glad we'll see him a bit more in Xenoverse 2.
Nice video Geekdom101!
I remember turles but never understood if he was related to goku in any way🤨
All low class Saiyans look like that.
Gerardo Hernandez same
Akira No Legs Fudo no, but every related low class saiyan looks Similar (sorry for my bad english)
On the game Dragon ball z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 they say he's goku evil Twin brother
@@dimitricruz8151 THANK FUCK HE'S NOT CANON. TOO MANY EVIL GOKU'S AT THIS POINT!!!
I usually do not like video theories on animes but I really like this one very nicely done I had to subscribe
That doesn't sound like frieza.
oh
+The Golden Rabbit lol
It kinda does.
The Golden Rabbit It actually kind dose lol
@O K frieza was a Sissy
Turles is such an underated villian. Definitely a favorite outta the movies.
"Guuku.." "Uh, yes mah lord." "A troublesome thing hap happen." "Trouuublesaam?"
"I am da siya peepole"
Thanks for the entertaining video!
When I was younger I called him turtles
My cousin said it like this
Turtle-less
Love this video and thanks for reiterating the power levels.
And it's called Makankosappo. 😂😂😂 One Hell of a mouthful to yell before attacking.
My only comment is that 400k seems to be low-balling Turles in a big way. The way the video talks about that fight makes it seem like it was way closer than it was. While some simple math can put Goku in the area of 300k with the X10, Turles did not "have the upper hand" Turles was Cake-walking x10 goku. He curbstomped the hell out of him in no time flat. That was not a close fight. I've heard some people in the past say that ESTIMATED, to be able to hand somebody their ass, you have to be at least twice as strong. With this logic, Turles would be AROUND 600k at minimum in my eyes. He had absolutely no difficulty working over x10 Goku.
I know this is old, but Vegeta beat the hell out of Cui on Namek and he was no where near twice as strong. Cui and Saiyan Saga Vegeta were stated to be near equals and Vegeta trashed him at only 24k, which a 25% difference from Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
The power level comparison was pre fight with Goku, and Zenki boost.
I have always wondered that good shit G
3rd form freeza after he ate the fruit!
but he ate 2 fruits, the second one was when goku was climbing the three we even see the remains of the fruit at turles feet!
Can't wait to have all the Goku lookalikes fight each other in Xv2!
but black isn't an evil Goku, you said so yourself...
Ahhh I was wondering there hehe, I only seen the Ocean Dub of this movie a long time ago, that's why I couldn't remember this changes that you was talking about.^^
The question is... CAN HE BECOME A SUPER SAIYAN? A GREEN ONE? A LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN?
Alejandro Garrafa no
its a god damn joke you took it too serious
Soulpour777 he is cannon
***** idk, but im pretty sure the anime is more relevant than the manga, and thats where turles appeared
He's a normal saiyan, dumbass
Turles' moves are gorgeous. Kill driver : one of the best looking moves in all dbz, Pulse drive : simply badass and Meteor Burst a violent finisher.
Turles is 30 Raditz stong.
Angel Santiago hahah good old dragon ball abridged
And about 40milion Yamahas Wolf fangs
Happy birthday man
Turles is easily my favorite villain.
so the pioneer home release of tree of might is rare, huh? that's pretty cool considering that is the first dvd i ever watched! got it with the last action hero when my pops bought our families first dvd player in the late '90s (that shit was like $700 btw...crazy)
A request from a fan. Can you do a video about Syn and omega shenron with facts and know how. Thanks geekdom nice vid
GT sucks.
You suck.
Don’t be rude when someone is asking nicely...
Turles did eat at least one more piece of fruit, but by that time, Goku was sucking the energy out of the tree for the Spirit Bomb, so it's reasonable to assume that Turles gained nothing from eating more fruit, since Goku already took it all.
However strong as he wants to, he's a fucking beast lol
imagine if the fruit was 10x for each piece
so its 40,000
400,000
4,000,000(stronger than 3rd form frieza and about as strong as final form frieza when he was toying around with vegeta)
40,000,000
400,000,000
4,000,000,000 (he only ate 5 fruits and hes already this strong)
(you get the idea from here)
trivia: how many fruits would he have to eat to rival beerus?
Probably a few planets worth of, as long as he eats all the fruits.
Turles is from the same Clan as Goku and raditz hints why he looks so similar to Goku. Fun fact: in a spin off he's actually friends with raditz growing up. It's possible he could be Goku and raditz half brother and has a different mother but the same father Bardock... Hints why he looks like Goku and Bardock. Or he could be a science experiment of bardocks who was a great scientist and could have cloned himself to grow up with raditz... Just a theory... But from what I know. He's just from the same Clan as Goku raditz and Bardock. Could be a distant cousin, Half brother or clone.
One thing that I do wonder about though, is whether the boost you gain from eating a fruit from the Tree of Might is temporary or *permanent*. Also, I suspect eating more than one fruit within a certain time frame may come with a drawback of some kind (less effective, causes some sort of temporary injury later, etc.), hence why Turles said that he still had one fruit left "in case of an emergency". Turles saying that makes me suspect that there is a drawback to eating more than one fruit within a certain period of time.
Goku- 30,000+
Turles- 29,000
Turles(Tree Of Might)- 400,000
Goku(X10)- 300,000+
Turles(Second Fruit Eaten)- 840,000
Goku(Spirit Bomb)- 10,000,000
Smart Turles (Ten Fruits eaten)- 480,000,000+
They fr shoulda found a way to make Turles come back and be on Super, instead of making another Character stealing Gokus body
Alright just gonna clear it up. Tullece is only 19k without the fruit.
Tullece: 19,000 Dragon Ball Z Movie 03 Pamphlet
- after eating the Shinseijū fruit: over 300,000 Calculated: Dragon Ball Z Movie 03
LightwithintheShadow The movie pamphlets will always override the game pamphlets. The game pamphlets are for well the games only and not to be used with the series vice versa
+DragonBallZLive v2 Does it have anything about Goku's PL then? Also a side note, I doubt that the fruit didn't even double his strength.
LightwithintheShadow Sorry RUclips didn't show me this comment once again. Yes Broly would have been roughly that strong but that is very weak. Cell through power scaling should be roughly 10x that
+LighwithintheShadow the 1.4B for Broly is also in V-Jump so I would say that trumps the pamphlet.
+DragonBallZLive v2 there is no way through power scaling to determine even a range of Cell's power level, not that it matters. Broly was clearly more powerful than Cell, anyway, just for the sheer fact that Goku was almost as powerful than Cell, but was far weaker than Broly. If you want to make a case for Cell after blowing himself up, then that might be a different story.
Sean Dobbins Broly was around 60% of Cell. Broly lost to normal SSJs. Cell best MSSJs.
We can roughly get Cell.
Freeza was 120m
The androids were stated by Trunks to completely dwarf Freeza in power so we can assume their around 500m+
Imperfect Cell was above them probably around 700m
Second Form Cell should have been around 900m as 16 hit him with a full power punch and Cell didn't even notice it and 16 was stronger then Imperfect Cell
Perfect Cell completely dwarfs Semi Perfect Cell In power as Goku as an MSSJ was only around half and Gohan who was stronger then Goku didn't even push him much farther probably around 60%.
I'd say Cell is roughly 3B going Full Power
*Tullece ate 2 fruits from the tree in the movie. Remember that he crushed the 1st one after taking a bite of it, and near the end when he noticed the tree is giving off energy, we see another fruit drop to the floor that was bitten into.*
Turles >>>>> Black Goku
Turles doesn't exist
Also Black is better anyway
SaturnineXTS If Titles does not exist then who is this video about?
Piccolo About a character who never happened, what else?
O rllyyyyyy tell me why when i was on xenoverse i beat turles so bad i didnt get a chance to use rose god >:D
SaturnineXTS Wasn't there a kid Turles in the origins manga for Raditz? Dragon Ball Zero, I think...or was that not canon? Can someone clarify please?
GEEKdom101 and GEEKlistTV? Woah.
Hes a little bit weaker than First Form Frieza ( Namek Saga )
I think.
I had always assumed the movie was set after Vegeta, but before Namek. With that said, I considered Turles to be Vegeta with a Tree of Might at his disposal, which I think is a cool concept. The only part about Turles that bugged me was the fact he was identical to Goku... yet Raditz is the brother?! It always made me wonder if the designs were switched at some point.
People care more about Bojack's strength than Turles :P
@GeeklistTV
Bojack is literally Cell without a tail.
Seeing this video in 12/2017 brother! Wassup Geekdom 101?
Why the hell did they make that dub change about the kaio ken multiplier? Was their goal to create confusion and misinformation in the community??
Yamcha the wolf like you Yamca
Yamcha the wolf like you Yamcha
too fit lip flaps
That's ridiculous, I'm pretty sure they could have come up with something and still fit flip flaps with the original multiplier.
It wouldn't be the first time a dub changed dialogue to fit animation better, as it is cheaper to do so and was a very common practice back then. A big example would be with Naruto and his "Believe It!" catchphrase, as it was used a lot more in the dub than that of the original (whilst the original did use catchphrases, it was not used nearly as much. Especially so later down the line in the story.).
Bro, I remember dominating everyone in Raging Blast 2 with Turles, and since then he was my favorite Saiyan.
How you not like the God-like dub of dbz?
Sheldon Williams if you watched and paid attention, youd know
He does not think he's Japanese he just prefers the Japanese dub since the English has some confusing changes. It's called an opinion everyone has one.
the Japanese dub has more accurate explanation. the English dub doesn't have all the correct words
Geekdom101 No one appreciates a smart ass
Some Guy , i guess Reasons why I barely visit this channel... it's like Tony stark irl.
I've never heard him say times 20, I just heard him say times 10 in the ocean dub
it wasnt a dub change geekdom, in Japanese versions of BOTH the original dbz and dragon ball KAI. goku DOES use a kaioken X20 against frieza. go back and look for your self if you want, dragon ball kai episode 45: "It's a 20-Fold Kaioken! A Kamehameha with Everything on the Line" / "Kaio-Ken Times Twenty! An All-Or-Nothing Kamehame-Ha!", and original DBZ episode 91: Showdown!! The Embodiment of Flame in a 20-Times Kaio-ken Kamehame-ha
when did he say this didn't happen
Yeah your dumb as fuck he said in the movie it's not x20, but in the frieza fught it is, so check your shit b4 you talk
Go get mad just because you were proved wrong.
Christopher Edmondson *you're *fight *before
GeeklistTV: "Stroking Turles"
Me: Pause bro.
I love Turles's machine gun blast that comes out of his hand when he fights and its also purple. Which makes evil and badass
Considering that Vegata was around 300K when he challenged 1st form Frieza on Namek and was able to match him for a bit, I think Turles would had to been much stronger to destroy Goku they way he did.
Also just before Goku through the Spirit Bomb empowered by the Tree, Turles had eaten like 4 more pieces of fruit.
They're doing math for fun.... lol what geeks
I get paid for doing videos bro.. thats the fun part
There was a pun in this comment... that's the fun I take part in
But their math is wrong... If Kaiou-Ken (x1) gives them a (hypathetical) x2 multiplier... How does Kaiou-Ken (x10) only give him a x10 multiplier? What about 2-9? One of those multipliers is either missing, or the math for that is just completely wrong. Lol. And ALOT of people neglect to notice that's not how the Kaiou-Ken works. It's a 2x multiplier for the first one, and 1.5x for the ones after that. Meaning Kaiou-Ken x10 for Goku at a power level of 30,000 is NOT 300,000... But 465,000.
It takes roughly a 15% power level boost over your opponent to strictly dominate your opposition as demonstrated with Vegeta over Dodoria, Kui and first form Zarbon, as well as second form... So at bare minimum, Turles AFTER eating just a bite from the fruit was AT THE VERY LEAST... 534,750+ which is equal to first form Frieza.
As for that last bit, he DID eat a a whole second fruit while Goku before Goku initially started charging. But the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) was able to beat him. And since there is no real set on the growth from eating the fruit, I'd max him at no more than 750,000. The spirit bomb had no energy to draw on, so it couldn't have been THAT powerful.
Jei Johnson tl;dr after the first paragraph. Have you considered the zenkai boosts after each Kaio-ken? Hmmm? Do you know what their multipliers are? They did this non-seriously because they know power levels don't mean anything, It's more of a way to be like "Huh, I guess Turles is strong then."
Cuttlefish N.W. Sure, but... Where did the Zenkai boosts take place in that movie? No one recovered from injuries... So if you can show where the Zenkai boosts took place in said-movie, I'd like to know. That way we can add it into the equation.
Secondly, I know they did, but just saying, because their math is off, he was actually slightly stronger than first form Frieza, and yeah I know how multipliers work, if you did the math, you would know there's no way Kaiou-Ken x10 = 10x the power, when Kaiou-Ken x1 is 2x the power. I was just pointing out that people don't know how Kaiou-Ken works, strictly because they are used to x1 and x10 and x15, so people just assume when it's actually wrong.
And wrong... Power levels were EVERYTHING up until a certain point during canon - that point being the end of the Frieza Saga. Only after that point were they really nothing. But I get what you mean, power levels mean nothing because it's a non-canon movie.
Its pretty easy.
Goku in his normal form is around 30k+
Turles was rivaling that but was maybe slightly superior.
Goku with a Kaioken x10 would be around 300k
Turles thrashed Goku with eating the fruit is around 450k to 600k.
If Turles kept eating the fruit he would probably overwhelm Final Form Freeza.