21:10 I think Dark Matter Blade doesn’t turn into Gooey since Gooey already exists in KDL2 (rare chance of coming from the bags and healing Kirby one bar of health).
My theory is that Gooey was a part of the Dark Matter Blade’s original form that was conflicted with the decision to attack Dream Land, and he split off from their form as the attack was started, possibly due to Kirby’s presence. This is similar to Elfilin splitting off of Elfilis
Best Kirby lore video on RUclips, and I never found it this last year before today. Great job man. You didn't waste time trying to be clever or dazzling us; you just told a damn good story.
This mostly lines up with my own timeline! I'm shocked you divided the Super Star subgames in almost exactly the same way as me, and also based Triple Deluxe before Return to Dream Land truther. I found that the biggest problem of the timeline is trying to fit in Squeak Squad. Kirby doesn't trust Dedede and assumes he stole the food, meaning it should take place BEFORE the dark matter trilogy, but it's implied that that's when Meta Knight is rebuilding his ship, meaning it should take place AFTER the trilogy. And also there's the fact that it seems like Meta Knightmare Ultra was probably originally supposed to be canon, given that the cutscenes all seemingly take place some time after their main game counterparts. This would also explain why we haven't seen main dimension Galacta Knight; Meta Knight killed him. However, he stared it was a what-if scenario despite the lack of contradictions, so it has to take place in another timeline. There are a few things to note, though - specifically, that the games take place over four main timelines. There's two main places where this is best demonstrated. There's the Main Dimension, "Extra Dimension 1," "Extra Dimension 2," and the Dream Kingdom. The first place this is demonstrated, Magolor. In the Main Dimension, Kirby defeats Magolor, and he dissappears. In Extra Mode (ED1), same thing but with Magolor Soul. This Dimension's Magolor talks to his Kirby about wanting to establish a shop and eventually a theme park. This Magolor goes through Magolor Epilogue, as we can see the Extra Mode crown in the intro. At the end, he travels to the Dream Kingdom. Later, he reenters Another Dimension and eventually establishes Magoland across time and space. Main Dimension Magolor seemingly also fights his way back, but based on how he talks in subsequent scenes, instead goes directly back to the Main Dimension. In the True Arena (ED2), the originally planned "bad ending" happens, and he stays as Magolor Soul, and enters the same portal ED1 Magolor went through ih Magolor Epilogue, setting up for him to be the villain of the next Kirby Clash game. The other place it can be seen is Galacta Knight. He isn't seen in the Main Dimension, but his other appearances are consistent. In ED1, he starts sealed, then Meta Knight defeats and kills him, we see him die onscreen. In ED2, this dimension's Galacta Knight is sealed, then Kirby fights him on Halcandra, and he flees. Then in in Meta Knightmare Returns (ED1), Star Dream summons ED2's Galacta Knight through a Star Portal, still unsealed. Meta Knight defeats him, he's resealed, and sent back through. Then in True Arena, ED2's Star Dream summons him to fight Kirby, still sealed. He's unsealed, Kirby fights him, he flees. Then in Guest Star, he's still unsealed when he's summoned by Hyness and becomes Morpho Knight. Anyways, my game order timeline looks like this. The parentheses show which Dimension the main characters are from, basically which Kirby it is. So: (MD) Spring Breeze - Kirby floats into Dream Land, defeats Dedede. (MD) Nightmare in Dream Land - Kirby defeats Meta Knight and Dedede for the Star Rod, upon placing it Nightmare appears , who he defeats. (ED1) Meta Knightmare - Meta Knight begins a training venture after his defeat, retracing Kirby's steps. (MD) Gourmet Race (MD) Pinball Land (MD) Dream Course (MD) Block Ball (MD) Tilt ‘n' Tumble (MD) Blowout Blast (MD) Dyna Blade (MD) Great Cave Offensive (MD) Revenge of Meta Knight - Kirby sinks the Halberd. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Spring Breeze) - Meta Knight continues his training venture after another loss to Kirby; a similar venture occurs in MD. (MD) Revenge of the King - Dedede challenges Kirby again, Bandana Dee is inspired by Kirby's strength and befriends him. (MD) Squeak Squad - Kirby doesn't trust Dedede and assumes he stole the food, Meta Knight finishes Halberd repairing the Halberd, Kirby fights Dark Nebula and gains Daroach's trust. (MD) Battle Royale - Kirby and Bandana Dee's first time working together. (MD) Amazing Mirror - Meta Knight flies into Mirror Dimension and is defeated by DMK, Kirby goes in and defeats him and Dark Mind, Shadow Kirby starts protecting Mirror Dimension. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Dyna Blade) - After losing to DMK and with his darkness now expelled, Meta Knight continues his training venture retracinv Kirby's steps; similar happens in MD. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Great Cave Offensive) Same as prior, gets stuck in GCO; similar occurs in MD which is why he isn't in next game. (MD) Dream Land 2 - Kirby fights rogue Dark Matter. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Revenge of Meta Knight) - Meta Knight sinks his ship in a training exercise, and begins rebuilding it; similar in MD which is why he's not in next games. (MD) Dream Land 3 - Kirby fights Zero with Gooey. (MD) Star Stacker (MD) Crystal Shards - Kirby finally befriends Dedede, and defeats 0². (MD) Milky Way Wishes - Kirby is tricked into summoning Nova by Marx, who Kirby defeats but doesn't kill. (ED1) True Arena (Marx Soul) - Marx absorbs the power of Nova where he hit it, and becomes Marx Soul, who Kirby kills. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Milky Way Wishes, Main Game) - Meta Knight gathers Star Power following Kirby's footsteps; similar happens in MD which is why he's not in the next game. (MD) Triple Deluxe - Kirby tries to save Dedede, fights Sectonia and frees the People of the Sky. (ED1) Dededetour - Dedede evades capture and fights Sectonia, fights Shadow Dedede, enters Mirror Dimension and reveals DMK for a time. (ED2) True Arena (Soul of Sectonia) - After fighting Sectonia, she escapes death by eating Miracle Fruits, Kirby kills her as Sectonia Soul. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Milky Way Wishes, Ending) - Meta Knight summons Nova with the star power, which is missing the part Magolor Soul absorbed, and summons Galacta Knight, killing him. (MD) Air Ride (MD) Mass Attack (MD) Canvas Curse (MD) Epic Yarn (MD) Rainbow Curse (MD) Return to Dream Land Deluxe - Kirby helps the traitorous Magolor fix his ship and defeat Landia, Magolor takes the Master Crown and fights him, Kirby wins and Magolor disappears. (ED1) Extra Mode - Kirby fights Magolor Soul, Magolor disappears. (ED2) True Arena (Galacta Knight) - Kirby fights the sealed Galacta Knight on Halcandra, who escapes. (ED2) True Arena (Magolor Soul) - Kirby fights Magolor Soul, the Master Crown remains in control as he’s sent through a portal to the Dream Kingdom. (MD) Planet Robobot - Kirby stops the Haltmann Works Company and fights Star Dream. (ED1) Meta Knightmare Returns - Meta Knight evades capture and fights while Kirby takes a nap, Star Dream summons the unsealed ED2 Galacta Knight, Meta Knight defeats him and he’s sent back through the portal sealed again. (ED2) True Arena (Galacta Knight) - Star Dream summons the now resealed Galacta Knight, Kirby fights him, he escapes. (ED2) True Arena (Star Dream Soul OS) - Galacta Knight’s damage causes Star Dream’s Soul OS to activate, Kirby destroys it. (ED1) Magolor Epilogue - After floating through Another Dimension and losing his powers, ED1 Magolor fights the Master Crown and gains an Ultra Sword, then enters a portal to the Dream Kingdom; similar happens to MD Magolor but he goes back to MD. (DK) Team Kirby Clash Deluxe (DK) Super Kirby Clash (MD) Star Allies - Kirby fights the Three Mage-Sisters and Hyness, who summons Void Termina, who Kirby defeats. (ED2) Guest Star (Main Game) - Kirby’s Dream Friends search for the Jamba Heart, but Hyness successfully summons Void Termina first. (ED2) Soul Melter (Void Soul) - Kirby fights Void Soul, collapsing the Divine Terminus in the process. (ED2) Guest Star (Ending) - Hyness summons Galacta Knight in the destroyed Divine Terminus, who sinks into Another Dimension, Morpho Knight absorbs the still unsealed Galacta Knight when he appears and is defeated. (ED1) Guest Star (Three Mage-Sisters) - Morpho Knight, traveling universes, appears and fights the three on its own. (ED1) Soul Melter (Morpho Knight EX) - Kirby then fights Morpho Knight himself, defeating it. (ED1) Soul Melter (Void) - Kirby defeats Void, transforming/incarnating it as another Kirby. (MD) Heroes in Another Dimension - Kirby and his Dream Friends fight and help ED2 Mage-Sisters and Hyness in Another Dimension. (MD) Kirby Fighters 2 (MD) Forgotten Land - Kirby enters an alternate universe Earth/Shiver Star, meets Elfilin and defeats Fecto Elfilis to save him. (MD) Isolated Isles - Kirby saves Leon's Soul and fights Morpho Knight when it absorbs Soul Forgo, defeating it, but Forgo escapes. (MD) The Colosseum - Kirby defeats Chaos Elfilis, and the last of its soul goes into Elfilin (MD) Dream Buffet (MD) Merry Magoland - ED1 Magolor builds a multiversal theme park through time and space via Another Dimension. (MD) Dream Collection (MD) Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe I have a 10000 word lore doc going into much more detail, the autism is strong with me
Alright, quite a bit to unpack here, let's see what we've got. First, regarding Squeak Squad's placement in the timeline, I placed it after The DM Trilogy with the assumption that Kirby does trust/is friends with Dedede at this point, but mistakenly thinks he might be relapsing or being mind controlled again. It seems to me it has to be at that point because it is when Meta Knight returns from repairing the Halberd and from that point onward becomes a full time ally to Kirby. (Notice how Meta Knight is absent from the entire Dark Matter Trilogy) Second, I never really recognized that Meta Knight actually kills Galacta Knight in MKU, and now I'm wondering if it's possible that Star Dream somehow revives GK in MKR (IDK, just a thought) Third, I have been going under the assumption that RTDL's EX mode wasn't canon, so I hadn't considered the idea of there being two separate extra dimensions with two different versions of Magolor and his redemption arc. Might be something I consider in the future. Back with Galacta Knight, I've been thinking that all of his appearances (MKU, MKR, Guest Star, Kirby Clash) all featured the same GK, hence why the butterfly "relieves him" and takes over as Morpho Knight. GK grew tired of being repeatedly summoned to just fight. - Side note, with the difference in character design between Galacta Knight and Aeon Hero, it might be that his boss fight in Kirby Clash might be the first time he's summoned, despite it not being the earliest time we see him in the timeline. For the timeline order itself, there are a couple things - I put Revenge of the King much earlier, I think he used the time Kirby was in the Great Cave Offensive to plot his revenge immediately after his defeat in Spring Breeze, and GCO was that early because Kirby was still new to Dreamland, and didn't have any friends yet who would rescue him from his fall. - Nightmare in Dreamland would probably have to be after Revenge of the King because Dedede is no longer directly antagonizing Kirby, and now just trying (and failing) to do something right for Dreamland by sealing Nightmare. And would likely be right before Revenge of MK, because MK shows up to fight Kirby before he launches his own assault with the Halberd - The thing I said earlier about Squeak Squad being later, after DM Trilogy - I think Triple Deluxe/Amazing Mirror/Squeak Squad are back-to-back in that order: First, Triple Deluxe - Dark Mind within the Mirror corrupts Sectonia, Meta Knight is still busy with repairs to the Halberd, Dedede is mistaken for the "hero" since he helped defeat Dark Nebula with MK before Kirby arrived. Kirby defeats Sectonia and the mirror is lost in the sky. Next, Amazing Mirror - MK appears briefly (since he is getting closer to finishing repairs to the Halberd) when he sees darkness coming from the mirror, then Kirby goes on that adventure to save MK and the Mirror Dimension. Last, Squeak Squad - MK nearly done with repairs, tries to prevent Kirby from releasing Dark Nebula. Okay, I think I addressed everything. This was very interesting to think about. (And I'd be very curious to see that lore doc of yours)
I'll go through all of these I can: Regarding EX mode, there's actually a solid case for it being canon INSTEAD of main story, because Magolor Soul and the silver master crown are usually used instead of the main story counterparts in official art, and they're also the version that appears in the Magolor Epilogue flashback. I don't believe that to be the case myself though since I think the answer is just both. Regarding Squeak Squad, I think it happens before Triple Deluxe for a few reasons. Regarding the Aeon Hero, since we know the Dream Kingdon was already intended to be a different timeline than the others, I think his differences in name, design, and moveset are because this timeline's Galacta Knight was never sealed away. He's referred to as the "Aeon Hero" because he's been a hero for an aeon instead of sealed away for nobody to remember. He uses Spears of the Heart in place of his sword attack because he was never stopped after sealing Void Termina's Jamba Heart away. And I've seen a theory that him being able to switch between light and dark is because he has more mastery of his own abilities as a spawn of Void. This could also be connected to the fact that there isn't any sign of anything Dark Matter-esque in the Dream Kingdom (except D-Mind and arguably Parallel Nightmare but they don't count because they're from a different dimension). Regarding the four timelines theory, RTDL isn't the only spot where it's the only way for it to make sense, because it's also the only way for Soul of Sectonia and Dededetour to both happen alongside the main game; same with Guest Star/Void Soul and Void. Anyway, if Magolor Soul appears in Kirby Clash Three, it confirms four timelines theory without any room for error, so we just have to wait. Galacta Knight in Planet Robobot is what really convinced me of it to start with though. Galacta Knight is weirdly consistent with the sole exception of MKU. MKU - Already crystallized. Gets unsealed and summoned by Nova Dies to Meta Knight. RTDL True Arena - Already crystallized. Gets unsealed and fights Kirby. Escapes before death. MKR - Not crystallized. Star Dream specifically summons him from a different universe with an Another Dimension star portal, the same sort we see the Lor Starcutter opening. The nanotech DNA used to make the other bosses is summoned by Star Dream from somewhere else in the universe through a purple circle portal, the same ones Meta Knight and Dedede enter in their respective sub-games to teleport into different levels. But Galacta Knight is summoned specifically with an Another Dimension portal. This would also only be necessary if there was no Galacta Knight in this dimension. The real kicker? Beforehand, Star Dream says this function was disabled by Haltmann. And the only function of Star Dream's we're told he has disabled is the ability to create portals to Another Dimension, because that's how he lost Susie. Anyways, he's defeated, sealed back in the crystal, and sent back through the star portal. PR True Arena - He's already crystallized, meaning this happens right after. Kirby fights him, and he escapes once again, not in his crystal. Guest Star - Still uncrystallized, Hyness summons him with, what else, but a purple circle portal, because he's summoning him from within the same universe. Then he gets Morpho'd. So, putting it all together: ED1: Meta Knight summons and kills Galacta Knight in MKU. This same Meta Knight fights him again when he's summoned from ED2 by Star Dream, hence why he's called "Galacta Knight Returns." He goes back into ED2 crystallized at the end of the fight. ED2: In RTDL, Kirby finds Galacta Knight sealed on Halcandra, and fights him. Galacta Knight retreats. In PR, he's summoned by ED1's Star Dream, and once he's brought back, Kirby finds him in the crystal and fights him. He retreats again. Then, in Star Allies, he's summoned by Hyness, and gets Morpho'd. As for my placement of Revenge of the King, I placed it after Nightmare in Dream Land for two reasons. One, some of the fully canon but often disregarded spinoffs where the plot is just "Dedede screws over Dream Land or Kirby by stealing stars" feature the Star Rod, placing them after Nightmare in Dream Land, and if Revenge of the King is supposed to be the climax to their feud for a time, then it would only really make sense being after those. And two, Bandana Dee doesn't appear in the earlier games of the timeline, so it makes the most sense to place it closer to Battle Royale so that he has consistent appearances starting from his origin game. Finally, Squeak Squad. I do firmly place this before Triple Deluxe and the trilogy for a few reasons. It makes much more sense that Kirby accuses Dedede of stealing food prior to befriending him in the trilogy and saving him in Triple Deluxe. But also, Triple Deluxe DMK is implied to have already been defeated. He already has a deep scratch on his mask, a scratch that the Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia explicitly states was given to him by Meta Knight during their first battle, and therefore wouldn't be there if Amazing Mirror hadn't happened yet. Not to mention, his name in that game is Dark Meta Knight's Revenge, and his pause screen describes him as coming back with a vengeance. RUclips doesn't like people sending links in their posts, so they probably wouldn't let me link to the doc here. But if you have Bluesky, I'm "ThatGalice" AKA "Alicandra & Kenón". I've posted the link there, it shouldn't be too far down. Or otherwise, if you have Discord, you can contact me there as "decidueye6" and I'll send the link to you.
This was super well constructed en explained! Kirby lore videos tend to be all over the place but the way you matched not just the timeline but ALL the timelines it's incredible!
27:43 Why is Nova reconstructing itself, even missing a bit in the corner, if it was never destroy before in this timeline? Seems like this is just supposed to follow from Marx's defeat instead.
That's a good question. Maybe he summoned the destroyed Nova from the main timeline? It's a good detail to consider for a potential revised version of this alt. timeline theory
40:52 I only now just realized that Clone Sectonia as a broken heart instead of her usual one and just, damn, they really wanted to make the heartbreak clear huh? (or it's just there to match Star Dream)
I have a question: where are epic yarn, mass attack, canvas curse and rainbow curse? (Aside from those games not being included this is the best Kirby timeline video I have ever seen)
@Modularperson1 I'll be honest, I hesitated including them since they're technically "spinoff games" and they're so different in style to the rest. It also was partially since I hadn't played them (I have actually played Epic Yarn though and it's one of my favorites) But I will probably do a revised version of this video in the future and include them (maybe when the next main series game comes out)
@@thatoneguy4266In case you're wondering about if spin offs are canon, yes they are. A Miiverse post from the developers of Triple Deluxe confirmed that the Sun Stones in that game were originally created by Necrodius, the main villain of Kirby Mass Attack, in hopes to take away Floralia's light
I like the timeline you created! Yet, I personally still think that the events weren't tripple deluxe, return to dream land and then planet robobot. And instead we're return to dream land, tripple deluxe and then planet robobot
I would like to point out the fact that the ancients captured fecto elfilis, a being which its main ability is to create portals, and that eventually will split into elfilin and forgo, and, specially forgo has a silhouette that kind of resembles a heart. Why do I point out this? Because both Nova and Star Dream's cores are heart shaped and the way the grant wishes usually is transporting things through portals... Except from Marx's wish I guess I don't know if you forget about the rainbow brush game's or epic yarn, if you didn't knew how to fit them, or just you didn't really care that much to include them into an already long video. I mean, I think the pink ball has more games than Mario, if you had to show every game in the video it would take ages. Anyway, great video, I liked they way you ordered the adventured from Kirby super star, and your take about the greater forces of the cosmos
@reamonexcelsior8581 That detail about Forgo resembling a heart is interesting, since I was having thoughts about a future theory about how Star Dream/Nova's core resemble the Jamba heart, so I'll keep that in mind. And with games like Epic Yarn, I wasn't completely sure if they were technically Canon, so I skipped over them (and partially for because the video was so long too) but if/When I make an updated timeline I definitely will include them!
That was simply incredible, having the will to make an entire kirby timeline on its own is incredible, but with this few contradictions? There are only 2 issues 1. You saying The forgotten land and shiver star are 2 different places, I really dont know why people think this, they're both obviously earth, and if they are seprate, the forgotten land has to come first, as the game makes it abudantly clear humanity got the ability to travel through space from elfilis, and did not have it before, you even correct yourself later in the video saying it was their original home 2. Triple deluxe coming before amazing mirror. This is objectively wrong, in the manual for amazing mirror it says the mirror originally reflected wishes, but after dark mind invaded it only reflected negativity, which us why queen sectonia was corrupted by it. Dark meta knight's pause screen says this fight takes place after his duel with kirby, which is why he wants revenge, and the scar on his mask also reinforces this. If you're wondering how on earth all the stuff with sectonia happens between these 2 games, DMK's pause screen also says its been aeons between when he was defeated and triple deluxe, which seems a little ridiculous but thats what it says.
Alright, let me share some of my thoughts. First, about Shiver Star/Forgotten Land, I like the idea that they could be the same planet, but there are a couple reasons why I personally don't believe that to be true. For one, as far as we can tell, Shiver Star is in a complete ice age, which the Forgotten Land is not. Also, Shiver Star seems to be dominated by HR-H and other machines, whereas FL is dominated by the Beast Back/Fecto Elfilis(or technically Fecto Forgo at this point). On top of that, as a bit of speculation, I don't think the humans of Earth and the Ancients of the Forgotten Land are one in the same. It seems to me like they're two separate civilizations that happened to develop similarly, but were wiped out for different reasons. (And also that FL is probably in Another Dimension, while Shiver Star is not) Second, with the case of Amazing Mirror vs Triple Deluxe, it had seemed to me that Sectonia was corrupted because Dark Mind was in control of the Mirror Dimension while she was in possession of it. If she had it after Kirby defeated Dark Mind during Amazing Mirror, how could she be corrupted by it? That's what doesn't make sense for me. Did Dark Mind's presence leave a permanent effect on the Mirror? I don't deny that I could be wrong, especially with that Dark Meta Knight detail, but I hope you can see the way I've understood it for now.
@thatoneguy4266 as mentioned it's said it's been eons between just amazing mirror and triple deluxe, so add that on with the time between 64 and forgotten land, there's certainly time for the earth to thaw out, even without that there's certainly something wierd going on with time in forgotten land, perhaps kirby was sent back before the earth froze? Even still a significant portion we explore is still frozen. Nothing says shiver star was completely dominated by robots, we only go to one factory and city area, with one giant robot, the rest of the shiver star levels are pretty normal, it's just an idea that fans have latched onto as one of the earliest crazy kirby lore details. HAL has already confirmed that the forgotten land's inhabitants are humans through Neichel, so there's no room for debate there. Yeah, it never says peace returned to the mirror world, only saying it MIGHT stay protected thanks to shadow kirby, and every appearence of shadow kirby past this game has been outside the mirror world, so not much hope there. Even still dark meta knight's hatred would probably be enough to corrupt her.
I would say that guest star mode in star allies isn't meta knights alternate timeline, since when you first play it you can't even play as him. Overall, this is a fantastic video, even considering it's your first one!
That's a fair idea. The alternate timeline theory wasn't something I was super confident about, it was mostly an attempt to explain what was going on with Galacta Knight and Morpho Knight, my own contribution to the Kirby theorist community. But thank you for watching, I'm very glad you liked it!
Have you ever thought about implementing a 3rd timeline called the dark timeline where marx soul, magolor soul, sectonia soul, star dream soul OS (whose design shows that in this timeline Galacta Knight was summoned to fight kirby based on the massive sword slash on Star Dream), and Void from all the true arenas all fight kirby and die
Honestly I think all dark matter and Kirby is just like a subspecies of void like there could be tons of void around the world coming across negativity and positive and spiting out beings of that same emotion
Ok the video is really good, but I found some flaws on the alternate timeline theory. 1. How did the fact that kirby doesn't exist make the events of the amazing mirror not happen? Since we know that meta knight was ambushed by dark meta knight and trapped in the dimensional mirror, and kirby saved him. But since there is no kirby that means that meta knight would be trapped forever inside the dimensional mirror. But those events apparently didn't happen since he is there in planet robobot to protect dreamland, wich means that somehow the fact that kirby doesn't exist changed the fact that meta knight got ambushed by dark meta knight and trapped in the mirror, wich obviously doesn't make sense
I like your thought process, and I know there are some inconsistencies (a video I may make as a follow-up), but what I had been thinking was that while a timeline branch occurs in the main dimension, there was no matching branch for the Mirror World. In this situation, Dark MK attacks MK in Kirby's timeline, but the other timeline was unaffected (except for the events of Dedede Tour). So in this situation, Kirby and the Alternate Timeline Dedede fight the same Dark MK. Hopefully that makes sense, but I know there are other things I would need to clarify to solidify this theory.
@@thatoneguy4266 this is a good justification for the thery, except that dark meta knight in dedede tour is called "revenge of dark meta knight" and that he has beem trapped in the mirror for a lot of time and now he seeks for revenge, wich would imply that the events of the amazing mirror DID happen. So imo the gamemodes where you play as other characters are just little what if scenarios that aren't connected to each other and aren't canon at all, not even as an alternate timeline
@@flagtdlol That's a good point. I'll probably go back to revise the theory in the future, see if there's anything that I missed, or things that don't line up right. (So maybe look out for that?) But thank you for sharing your thoughts, I will be sure to keep them in mind.
Your theory on void termina being a creation of void actually makes sense. I hope you make more kirby videos
That actually that's pretty much confirmed since you see that void is immortal
Thats such a Well put together video, hope you continue in the future because this is an amazing start
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
@@thatoneguy4266no problem! Hope to see you grow bigger in the future
@thatoneguy4266 never stated kirby realted to void but mimics first person come across void before new rebrith of them if lucky
@thatoneguy4266 never personality but how they act
@@thatoneguy4266meta knight not bad just to start a war just make dreamland least lazy stated by meteorz, look closer
Meta knight defeating and sealing away dark nebula is something I never even thought about but it would make perfect sense
21:10 I think Dark Matter Blade doesn’t turn into Gooey since Gooey already exists in KDL2 (rare chance of coming from the bags and healing Kirby one bar of health).
My theory is that Gooey was a part of the Dark Matter Blade’s original form that was conflicted with the decision to attack Dream Land, and he split off from their form as the attack was started, possibly due to Kirby’s presence. This is similar to Elfilin splitting off of Elfilis
Best Kirby lore video on RUclips, and I never found it this last year before today. Great job man. You didn't waste time trying to be clever or dazzling us; you just told a damn good story.
@@DocSherbert Thank you so much! Hearing that means a lot!
This mostly lines up with my own timeline! I'm shocked you divided the Super Star subgames in almost exactly the same way as me, and also based Triple Deluxe before Return to Dream Land truther. I found that the biggest problem of the timeline is trying to fit in Squeak Squad. Kirby doesn't trust Dedede and assumes he stole the food, meaning it should take place BEFORE the dark matter trilogy, but it's implied that that's when Meta Knight is rebuilding his ship, meaning it should take place AFTER the trilogy. And also there's the fact that it seems like Meta Knightmare Ultra was probably originally supposed to be canon, given that the cutscenes all seemingly take place some time after their main game counterparts. This would also explain why we haven't seen main dimension Galacta Knight; Meta Knight killed him. However, he stared it was a what-if scenario despite the lack of contradictions, so it has to take place in another timeline.
There are a few things to note, though - specifically, that the games take place over four main timelines. There's two main places where this is best demonstrated.
There's the Main Dimension, "Extra Dimension 1," "Extra Dimension 2," and the Dream Kingdom.
The first place this is demonstrated, Magolor. In the Main Dimension, Kirby defeats Magolor, and he dissappears. In Extra Mode (ED1), same thing but with Magolor Soul. This Dimension's Magolor talks to his Kirby about wanting to establish a shop and eventually a theme park. This Magolor goes through Magolor Epilogue, as we can see the Extra Mode crown in the intro. At the end, he travels to the Dream Kingdom. Later, he reenters Another Dimension and eventually establishes Magoland across time and space. Main Dimension Magolor seemingly also fights his way back, but based on how he talks in subsequent scenes, instead goes directly back to the Main Dimension. In the True Arena (ED2), the originally planned "bad ending" happens, and he stays as Magolor Soul, and enters the same portal ED1 Magolor went through ih Magolor Epilogue, setting up for him to be the villain of the next Kirby Clash game.
The other place it can be seen is Galacta Knight. He isn't seen in the Main Dimension, but his other appearances are consistent. In ED1, he starts sealed, then Meta Knight defeats and kills him, we see him die onscreen. In ED2, this dimension's Galacta Knight is sealed, then Kirby fights him on Halcandra, and he flees. Then in in Meta Knightmare Returns (ED1), Star Dream summons ED2's Galacta Knight through a Star Portal, still unsealed. Meta Knight defeats him, he's resealed, and sent back through. Then in True Arena, ED2's Star Dream summons him to fight Kirby, still sealed. He's unsealed, Kirby fights him, he flees. Then in Guest Star, he's still unsealed when he's summoned by Hyness and becomes Morpho Knight.
Anyways, my game order timeline looks like this. The parentheses show which Dimension the main characters are from, basically which Kirby it is. So:
(MD) Spring Breeze - Kirby floats into Dream Land, defeats Dedede.
(MD) Nightmare in Dream Land - Kirby defeats Meta Knight and Dedede for the Star Rod, upon placing it Nightmare appears , who he defeats.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare - Meta Knight begins a training venture after his defeat, retracing Kirby's steps.
(MD) Gourmet Race
(MD) Pinball Land
(MD) Dream Course
(MD) Block Ball
(MD) Tilt ‘n' Tumble
(MD) Blowout Blast
(MD) Dyna Blade
(MD) Great Cave Offensive
(MD) Revenge of Meta Knight - Kirby sinks the Halberd.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Spring Breeze) - Meta Knight continues his training venture after another loss to Kirby; a similar venture occurs in MD.
(MD) Revenge of the King - Dedede challenges Kirby again, Bandana Dee is inspired by Kirby's strength and befriends him.
(MD) Squeak Squad - Kirby doesn't trust Dedede and assumes he stole the food, Meta Knight finishes Halberd repairing the Halberd, Kirby fights Dark Nebula and gains Daroach's trust.
(MD) Battle Royale - Kirby and Bandana Dee's first time working together.
(MD) Amazing Mirror - Meta Knight flies into Mirror Dimension and is defeated by DMK, Kirby goes in and defeats him and Dark Mind, Shadow Kirby starts protecting Mirror Dimension.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Dyna Blade) - After losing to DMK and with his darkness now expelled, Meta Knight continues his training venture retracinv Kirby's steps; similar happens in MD.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Great Cave Offensive) Same as prior, gets stuck in GCO; similar occurs in MD which is why he isn't in next game.
(MD) Dream Land 2 - Kirby fights rogue Dark Matter.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Revenge of Meta Knight) - Meta Knight sinks his ship in a training exercise, and begins rebuilding it; similar in MD which is why he's not in next games.
(MD) Dream Land 3 - Kirby fights Zero with Gooey.
(MD) Star Stacker
(MD) Crystal Shards - Kirby finally befriends Dedede, and defeats 0².
(MD) Milky Way Wishes - Kirby is tricked into summoning Nova by Marx, who Kirby defeats but doesn't kill.
(ED1) True Arena (Marx Soul) - Marx absorbs the power of Nova where he hit it, and becomes Marx Soul, who Kirby kills.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Milky Way Wishes, Main Game) - Meta Knight gathers Star Power following Kirby's footsteps; similar happens in MD which is why he's not in the next game.
(MD) Triple Deluxe - Kirby tries to save Dedede, fights Sectonia and frees the People of the Sky.
(ED1) Dededetour - Dedede evades capture and fights Sectonia, fights Shadow Dedede, enters Mirror Dimension and reveals DMK for a time.
(ED2) True Arena (Soul of Sectonia) - After fighting Sectonia, she escapes death by eating Miracle Fruits, Kirby kills her as Sectonia Soul.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Ultra (Milky Way Wishes, Ending) - Meta Knight summons Nova with the star power, which is missing the part Magolor Soul absorbed, and summons Galacta Knight, killing him.
(MD) Air Ride
(MD) Mass Attack
(MD) Canvas Curse
(MD) Epic Yarn
(MD) Rainbow Curse
(MD) Return to Dream Land Deluxe - Kirby helps the traitorous Magolor fix his ship and defeat Landia, Magolor takes the Master Crown and fights him, Kirby wins and Magolor disappears.
(ED1) Extra Mode - Kirby fights Magolor Soul, Magolor disappears.
(ED2) True Arena (Galacta Knight) - Kirby fights the sealed Galacta Knight on Halcandra, who escapes.
(ED2) True Arena (Magolor Soul) - Kirby fights Magolor Soul, the Master Crown remains in control as he’s sent through a portal to the Dream Kingdom.
(MD) Planet Robobot - Kirby stops the Haltmann Works Company and fights Star Dream.
(ED1) Meta Knightmare Returns - Meta Knight evades capture and fights while Kirby takes a nap, Star Dream summons the unsealed ED2 Galacta Knight, Meta Knight defeats him and he’s sent back through the portal sealed again.
(ED2) True Arena (Galacta Knight) - Star Dream summons the now resealed Galacta Knight, Kirby fights him, he escapes.
(ED2) True Arena (Star Dream Soul OS) - Galacta Knight’s damage causes Star Dream’s Soul OS to activate, Kirby destroys it.
(ED1) Magolor Epilogue - After floating through Another Dimension and losing his powers, ED1 Magolor fights the Master Crown and gains an Ultra Sword, then enters a portal to the Dream Kingdom; similar happens to MD Magolor but he goes back to MD.
(DK) Team Kirby Clash Deluxe
(DK) Super Kirby Clash
(MD) Star Allies - Kirby fights the Three Mage-Sisters and Hyness, who summons Void Termina, who Kirby defeats.
(ED2) Guest Star (Main Game) - Kirby’s Dream Friends search for the Jamba Heart, but Hyness successfully summons Void Termina first.
(ED2) Soul Melter (Void Soul) - Kirby fights Void Soul, collapsing the Divine Terminus in the process.
(ED2) Guest Star (Ending) - Hyness summons Galacta Knight in the destroyed Divine Terminus, who sinks into Another Dimension, Morpho Knight absorbs the still unsealed Galacta Knight when he appears and is defeated.
(ED1) Guest Star (Three Mage-Sisters) - Morpho Knight, traveling universes, appears and fights the three on its own.
(ED1) Soul Melter (Morpho Knight EX) - Kirby then fights Morpho Knight himself, defeating it.
(ED1) Soul Melter (Void) - Kirby defeats Void, transforming/incarnating it as another Kirby.
(MD) Heroes in Another Dimension - Kirby and his Dream Friends fight and help ED2 Mage-Sisters and Hyness in Another Dimension.
(MD) Kirby Fighters 2
(MD) Forgotten Land - Kirby enters an alternate universe Earth/Shiver Star, meets Elfilin and defeats Fecto Elfilis to save him.
(MD) Isolated Isles - Kirby saves Leon's Soul and fights Morpho Knight when it absorbs Soul Forgo, defeating it, but Forgo escapes.
(MD) The Colosseum - Kirby defeats Chaos Elfilis, and the last of its soul goes into Elfilin
(MD) Dream Buffet
(MD) Merry Magoland - ED1 Magolor builds a multiversal theme park through time and space via Another Dimension.
(MD) Dream Collection
(MD) Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe
I have a 10000 word lore doc going into much more detail, the autism is strong with me
Alright, quite a bit to unpack here, let's see what we've got.
First, regarding Squeak Squad's placement in the timeline, I placed it after The DM Trilogy with the assumption that Kirby does trust/is friends with Dedede at this point, but mistakenly thinks he might be relapsing or being mind controlled again. It seems to me it has to be at that point because it is when Meta Knight returns from repairing the Halberd and from that point onward becomes a full time ally to Kirby. (Notice how Meta Knight is absent from the entire Dark Matter Trilogy)
Second, I never really recognized that Meta Knight actually kills Galacta Knight in MKU, and now I'm wondering if it's possible that Star Dream somehow revives GK in MKR (IDK, just a thought)
Third, I have been going under the assumption that RTDL's EX mode wasn't canon, so I hadn't considered the idea of there being two separate extra dimensions with two different versions of Magolor and his redemption arc. Might be something I consider in the future.
Back with Galacta Knight, I've been thinking that all of his appearances (MKU, MKR, Guest Star, Kirby Clash) all featured the same GK, hence why the butterfly "relieves him" and takes over as Morpho Knight. GK grew tired of being repeatedly summoned to just fight. - Side note, with the difference in character design between Galacta Knight and Aeon Hero, it might be that his boss fight in Kirby Clash might be the first time he's summoned, despite it not being the earliest time we see him in the timeline.
For the timeline order itself, there are a couple things
- I put Revenge of the King much earlier, I think he used the time Kirby was in the Great Cave Offensive to plot his revenge immediately after his defeat in Spring Breeze, and GCO was that early because Kirby was still new to Dreamland, and didn't have any friends yet who would rescue him from his fall.
- Nightmare in Dreamland would probably have to be after Revenge of the King because Dedede is no longer directly antagonizing Kirby, and now just trying (and failing) to do something right for Dreamland by sealing Nightmare. And would likely be right before Revenge of MK, because MK shows up to fight Kirby before he launches his own assault with the Halberd
- The thing I said earlier about Squeak Squad being later, after DM Trilogy
- I think Triple Deluxe/Amazing Mirror/Squeak Squad are back-to-back in that order: First, Triple Deluxe - Dark Mind within the Mirror corrupts Sectonia, Meta Knight is still busy with repairs to the Halberd, Dedede is mistaken for the "hero" since he helped defeat Dark Nebula with MK before Kirby arrived. Kirby defeats Sectonia and the mirror is lost in the sky. Next, Amazing Mirror - MK appears briefly (since he is getting closer to finishing repairs to the Halberd) when he sees darkness coming from the mirror, then Kirby goes on that adventure to save MK and the Mirror Dimension. Last, Squeak Squad - MK nearly done with repairs, tries to prevent Kirby from releasing Dark Nebula.
Okay, I think I addressed everything. This was very interesting to think about. (And I'd be very curious to see that lore doc of yours)
I'll go through all of these I can:
Regarding EX mode, there's actually a solid case for it being canon INSTEAD of main story, because Magolor Soul and the silver master crown are usually used instead of the main story counterparts in official art, and they're also the version that appears in the Magolor Epilogue flashback. I don't believe that to be the case myself though since I think the answer is just both.
Regarding Squeak Squad, I think it happens before Triple Deluxe for a few reasons.
Regarding the Aeon Hero, since we know the Dream Kingdon was already intended to be a different timeline than the others, I think his differences in name, design, and moveset are because this timeline's Galacta Knight was never sealed away. He's referred to as the "Aeon Hero" because he's been a hero for an aeon instead of sealed away for nobody to remember. He uses Spears of the Heart in place of his sword attack because he was never stopped after sealing Void Termina's Jamba Heart away. And I've seen a theory that him being able to switch between light and dark is because he has more mastery of his own abilities as a spawn of Void. This could also be connected to the fact that there isn't any sign of anything Dark Matter-esque in the Dream Kingdom (except D-Mind and arguably Parallel Nightmare but they don't count because they're from a different dimension).
Regarding the four timelines theory, RTDL isn't the only spot where it's the only way for it to make sense, because it's also the only way for Soul of Sectonia and Dededetour to both happen alongside the main game; same with Guest Star/Void Soul and Void. Anyway, if Magolor Soul appears in Kirby Clash Three, it confirms four timelines theory without any room for error, so we just have to wait.
Galacta Knight in Planet Robobot is what really convinced me of it to start with though. Galacta Knight is weirdly consistent with the sole exception of MKU.
MKU - Already crystallized. Gets unsealed and summoned by Nova
Dies to Meta Knight.
RTDL True Arena - Already crystallized. Gets unsealed and fights Kirby. Escapes before death.
MKR - Not crystallized. Star Dream specifically summons him from a different universe with an Another Dimension star portal, the same sort we see the Lor Starcutter opening. The nanotech DNA used to make the other bosses is summoned by Star Dream from somewhere else in the universe through a purple circle portal, the same ones Meta Knight and Dedede enter in their respective sub-games to teleport into different levels. But Galacta Knight is summoned specifically with an Another Dimension portal. This would also only be necessary if there was no Galacta Knight in this dimension. The real kicker? Beforehand, Star Dream says this function was disabled by Haltmann. And the only function of Star Dream's we're told he has disabled is the ability to create portals to Another Dimension, because that's how he lost Susie. Anyways, he's defeated, sealed back in the crystal, and sent back through the star portal.
PR True Arena - He's already crystallized, meaning this happens right after. Kirby fights him, and he escapes once again, not in his crystal.
Guest Star - Still uncrystallized, Hyness summons him with, what else, but a purple circle portal, because he's summoning him from within the same universe. Then he gets Morpho'd.
So, putting it all together:
ED1: Meta Knight summons and kills Galacta Knight in MKU. This same Meta Knight fights him again when he's summoned from ED2 by Star Dream, hence why he's called "Galacta Knight Returns." He goes back into ED2 crystallized at the end of the fight.
ED2: In RTDL, Kirby finds Galacta Knight sealed on Halcandra, and fights him. Galacta Knight retreats. In PR, he's summoned by ED1's Star Dream, and once he's brought back, Kirby finds him in the crystal and fights him. He retreats again. Then, in Star Allies, he's summoned by Hyness, and gets Morpho'd.
As for my placement of Revenge of the King, I placed it after Nightmare in Dream Land for two reasons. One, some of the fully canon but often disregarded spinoffs where the plot is just "Dedede screws over Dream Land or Kirby by stealing stars" feature the Star Rod, placing them after Nightmare in Dream Land, and if Revenge of the King is supposed to be the climax to their feud for a time, then it would only really make sense being after those. And two, Bandana Dee doesn't appear in the earlier games of the timeline, so it makes the most sense to place it closer to Battle Royale so that he has consistent appearances starting from his origin game.
Finally, Squeak Squad. I do firmly place this before Triple Deluxe and the trilogy for a few reasons. It makes much more sense that Kirby accuses Dedede of stealing food prior to befriending him in the trilogy and saving him in Triple Deluxe. But also, Triple Deluxe DMK is implied to have already been defeated. He already has a deep scratch on his mask, a scratch that the Kirby 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia explicitly states was given to him by Meta Knight during their first battle, and therefore wouldn't be there if Amazing Mirror hadn't happened yet. Not to mention, his name in that game is Dark Meta Knight's Revenge, and his pause screen describes him as coming back with a vengeance.
RUclips doesn't like people sending links in their posts, so they probably wouldn't let me link to the doc here. But if you have Bluesky, I'm "ThatGalice" AKA "Alicandra & Kenón". I've posted the link there, it shouldn't be too far down. Or otherwise, if you have Discord, you can contact me there as "decidueye6" and I'll send the link to you.
Wow! 51 minutes! Good Video
This was super well constructed en explained! Kirby lore videos tend to be all over the place but the way you matched not just the timeline but ALL the timelines it's incredible!
27:43 Why is Nova reconstructing itself, even missing a bit in the corner, if it was never destroy before in this timeline? Seems like this is just supposed to follow from Marx's defeat instead.
That's a good question. Maybe he summoned the destroyed Nova from the main timeline? It's a good detail to consider for a potential revised version of this alt. timeline theory
Wow really good video
40:52
I only now just realized that Clone Sectonia as a broken heart instead of her usual one and just, damn, they really wanted to make the heartbreak clear huh? (or it's just there to match Star Dream)
Woah, I've never noticed that either! Such an interesting detail
I really like the take on all the extra modes, also thought it was funny Forgotten Land had the first cannon true arena.
This guy is so underrated
@@bah6454 Thanks! I try my best
I have a question: where are epic yarn, mass attack, canvas curse and rainbow curse? (Aside from those games not being included this is the best Kirby timeline video I have ever seen)
@Modularperson1 I'll be honest, I hesitated including them since they're technically "spinoff games" and they're so different in style to the rest. It also was partially since I hadn't played them (I have actually played Epic Yarn though and it's one of my favorites) But I will probably do a revised version of this video in the future and include them (maybe when the next main series game comes out)
@@thatoneguy4266In case you're wondering about if spin offs are canon, yes they are. A Miiverse post from the developers of Triple Deluxe confirmed that the Sun Stones in that game were originally created by Necrodius, the main villain of Kirby Mass Attack, in hopes to take away Floralia's light
Ok cool! I always considered them to be canon, but I was never certain. I'm glad to know that now
I wrote another question in this reply but instantly realized the answer and I can’t delete this reply.
@@thatoneguy4266mass attack also takes place after squeak spaud because daroach references the events in it
I like the timeline you created! Yet, I personally still think that the events weren't tripple deluxe, return to dream land and then planet robobot. And instead we're return to dream land, tripple deluxe and then planet robobot
I would like to point out the fact that the ancients captured fecto elfilis, a being which its main ability is to create portals, and that eventually will split into elfilin and forgo, and, specially forgo has a silhouette that kind of resembles a heart.
Why do I point out this?
Because both Nova and Star Dream's cores are heart shaped and the way the grant wishes usually is transporting things through portals... Except from Marx's wish I guess
I don't know if you forget about the rainbow brush game's or epic yarn, if you didn't knew how to fit them, or just you didn't really care that much to include them into an already long video. I mean, I think the pink ball has more games than Mario, if you had to show every game in the video it would take ages.
Anyway, great video, I liked they way you ordered the adventured from Kirby super star, and your take about the greater forces of the cosmos
@reamonexcelsior8581 That detail about Forgo resembling a heart is interesting, since I was having thoughts about a future theory about how Star Dream/Nova's core resemble the Jamba heart, so I'll keep that in mind.
And with games like Epic Yarn, I wasn't completely sure if they were technically Canon, so I skipped over them (and partially for because the video was so long too) but if/When I make an updated timeline I definitely will include them!
That was simply incredible, having the will to make an entire kirby timeline on its own is incredible, but with this few contradictions?
There are only 2 issues
1. You saying The forgotten land and shiver star are 2 different places, I really dont know why people think this, they're both obviously earth, and if they are seprate, the forgotten land has to come first, as the game makes it abudantly clear humanity got the ability to travel through space from elfilis, and did not have it before, you even correct yourself later in the video saying it was their original home
2. Triple deluxe coming before amazing mirror.
This is objectively wrong, in the manual for amazing mirror it says the mirror originally reflected wishes, but after dark mind invaded it only reflected negativity, which us why queen sectonia was corrupted by it.
Dark meta knight's pause screen says this fight takes place after his duel with kirby, which is why he wants revenge, and the scar on his mask also reinforces this.
If you're wondering how on earth all the stuff with sectonia happens between these 2 games, DMK's pause screen also says its been aeons between when he was defeated and triple deluxe, which seems a little ridiculous but thats what it says.
Alright, let me share some of my thoughts.
First, about Shiver Star/Forgotten Land, I like the idea that they could be the same planet, but there are a couple reasons why I personally don't believe that to be true. For one, as far as we can tell, Shiver Star is in a complete ice age, which the Forgotten Land is not. Also, Shiver Star seems to be dominated by HR-H and other machines, whereas FL is dominated by the Beast Back/Fecto Elfilis(or technically Fecto Forgo at this point). On top of that, as a bit of speculation, I don't think the humans of Earth and the Ancients of the Forgotten Land are one in the same. It seems to me like they're two separate civilizations that happened to develop similarly, but were wiped out for different reasons. (And also that FL is probably in Another Dimension, while Shiver Star is not)
Second, with the case of Amazing Mirror vs Triple Deluxe, it had seemed to me that Sectonia was corrupted because Dark Mind was in control of the Mirror Dimension while she was in possession of it. If she had it after Kirby defeated Dark Mind during Amazing Mirror, how could she be corrupted by it? That's what doesn't make sense for me. Did Dark Mind's presence leave a permanent effect on the Mirror?
I don't deny that I could be wrong, especially with that Dark Meta Knight detail, but I hope you can see the way I've understood it for now.
@thatoneguy4266 as mentioned it's said it's been eons between just amazing mirror and triple deluxe, so add that on with the time between 64 and forgotten land, there's certainly time for the earth to thaw out, even without that there's certainly something wierd going on with time in forgotten land, perhaps kirby was sent back before the earth froze? Even still a significant portion we explore is still frozen.
Nothing says shiver star was completely dominated by robots, we only go to one factory and city area, with one giant robot, the rest of the shiver star levels are pretty normal, it's just an idea that fans have latched onto as one of the earliest crazy kirby lore details.
HAL has already confirmed that the forgotten land's inhabitants are humans through Neichel, so there's no room for debate there.
Yeah, it never says peace returned to the mirror world, only saying it MIGHT stay protected thanks to shadow kirby, and every appearence of shadow kirby past this game has been outside the mirror world, so not much hope there.
Even still dark meta knight's hatred would probably be enough to corrupt her.
This is the closest thing to an actual Kirby timeline
I would say that guest star mode in star allies isn't meta knights alternate timeline, since when you first play it you can't even play as him. Overall, this is a fantastic video, even considering it's your first one!
That's a fair idea. The alternate timeline theory wasn't something I was super confident about, it was mostly an attempt to explain what was going on with Galacta Knight and Morpho Knight, my own contribution to the Kirby theorist community. But thank you for watching, I'm very glad you liked it!
I'm actually pretty sure holtman was the one to freeze over Earth
Personally, I think Milky Way Wishes take place after Robobot, because the Nova from MMW looks like a destroyed version of Star Dream Soul OS.
You're lying. Mangalore literally said it himself. Nova was just one of many clockwork stars
@@miraabramson1728 I’m not “lying”. You can’t “lie” about an opinion, dummy.
Have you ever thought about implementing a 3rd timeline called the dark timeline where marx soul, magolor soul, sectonia soul, star dream soul OS (whose design shows that in this timeline Galacta Knight was summoned to fight kirby based on the massive sword slash on Star Dream), and Void from all the true arenas all fight kirby and die
I've never considered that before, I might look into it
@thatoneguy4266 oh also even though it's technically Canon Chaos elfifis also falls into this category
A bit of advice audio-wise, if you're recording something, try to make sure the distance between you and the mic is consistent.
I haven’t watched the video yet this Lego movie emmet looking mf better not say Kirby is a reincarnation of void
Honestly I think all dark matter and Kirby is just like a subspecies of void like there could be tons of void around the world coming across negativity and positive and spiting out beings of that same emotion
He is tho
Ok the video is really good, but I found some flaws on the alternate timeline theory. 1. How did the fact that kirby doesn't exist make the events of the amazing mirror not happen? Since we know that meta knight was ambushed by dark meta knight and trapped in the dimensional mirror, and kirby saved him. But since there is no kirby that means that meta knight would be trapped forever inside the dimensional mirror. But those events apparently didn't happen since he is there in planet robobot to protect dreamland, wich means that somehow the fact that kirby doesn't exist changed the fact that meta knight got ambushed by dark meta knight and trapped in the mirror, wich obviously doesn't make sense
I like your thought process, and I know there are some inconsistencies (a video I may make as a follow-up), but what I had been thinking was that while a timeline branch occurs in the main dimension, there was no matching branch for the Mirror World. In this situation, Dark MK attacks MK in Kirby's timeline, but the other timeline was unaffected (except for the events of Dedede Tour). So in this situation, Kirby and the Alternate Timeline Dedede fight the same Dark MK. Hopefully that makes sense, but I know there are other things I would need to clarify to solidify this theory.
@@thatoneguy4266 this is a good justification for the thery, except that dark meta knight in dedede tour is called "revenge of dark meta knight" and that he has beem trapped in the mirror for a lot of time and now he seeks for revenge, wich would imply that the events of the amazing mirror DID happen. So imo the gamemodes where you play as other characters are just little what if scenarios that aren't connected to each other and aren't canon at all, not even as an alternate timeline
@@flagtdlol That's a good point. I'll probably go back to revise the theory in the future, see if there's anything that I missed, or things that don't line up right. (So maybe look out for that?) But thank you for sharing your thoughts, I will be sure to keep them in mind.
@@thatoneguy4266 np buddy, and also i'm already excited for the video, bet it's gonna be really good