The Driving Line - OpenTrack Driver Coaching
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When you approach a corner, you're looking for a few things. First, your braking marker so you know when to slow down, where to turn in, where you're going to apex, and where you're going to exit this corner.
When you approach a corner, you're looking for a few things. First, your braking marker so you know when to slow down, where to turn in, where you're going to apex, and where you're going to exit this corner.
So if you're a racing fan you probably noticed the lines are very distinct that drivers are taking through corners. You start off very wide, you come down to your apex, and you leave the corner very wide. Essentially making that corner as large as possible.
So how do you find that line? There's several ways to do that. One is to literally go up and walk the track. You might notice on a track walk that the curve where people tend to apex the most might be a little worn away, the paint is gone. The other thing you might notice is that some drivers that are maybe being a little too ambitious with their apex are using a little more than the curb and they've cleaned off the weeds and the grass right next to the curb near the apex.
If you're a new driver, waiting to apex this late might be a little nerve wracking. You might be very tempted to turn in earlier and get to an apex that's too soon. Now you can notice the curbing here, the paint is untouched in perfect condition. That means nobody else is using this. And if you apex this early it's going to send you off on a pretty bad trajectory on your exit, and may lead to you dropping some wheels off track. And if you turned in too early and reached an early apex, you might find yourself dangerously close to burying your car in this deep gravel bed.
So any time anyone goes off the exit of a corner, you're likely turning too early. It's very common across the board, especially for new drivers. It's comforting, you just turn in early to the corner and whoa, I had to lift. Your lap time's in the toilet. You have to turn into a corner, in most cases, later than you would otherwise think is comfortable. It's called a late apex.
And when you're trying to identify your line on a race track, we know that the real key here or your job as a driver in most cases, is to open radiuses up and find a way to use the whole track.
So avoid this in the first place. If you're approaching a corner you're not quite comfortable with yet, take it a little slower than normal and warm up to it. Ask somebody for advice, get some coaching before you go through there at ten tenths, and save yourself this kind of trouble.
If you learned something, but you want more detail or you're interested in some private coaching lessons, follow the links through opentrack.com where you can get in touch with Kai and Andy.
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Watching this before go karting tomorrow because I’m a try hard
@@csabacsapo1864 of course
yes, try hard club
Just came back from karting lol.
Watched this a long time ago but I'm trying to nail this, "left hairpin right short", at k1 so here I am again as I search 😩
My terminology with the turns are garbage, I finally broke my go-kart cherry 🤩🥳
BRO SAME lol knew how already I just wanted a refresher lol
You're also cringe
Best piece of advice I've ever heard was from Sir Jackie Stewart, British f1 legend and 3 time world champion.
He said, in essence, when it comes to cornering and exits that you should never put your foot down and apply the power until you know for certain you won't have to lift it off again.
Simple, but effective advice.
Very true and effective advice to ensure the minimum right thing when taking corners but it sorely lacks resolution for figuring out how to drive a corner as fast as possible which is also the smoothest and safest way possible. E.g. this advice on its own, as well as the advice of this video makes it almost seem like a line that late apex's is the optimal line but it is not. The quickest line involves clipping the geometric apex (i.e. not early nor late). The problem is people go in with a mixture of too much speed and/or not enough built up yaw momentum in the car during the entry phase (because too much threshold braking and not enough trail braking for example).
@@DrR1pper
Of course, all he was saying was you will have the perfect corner exit when you can apply the throttle and not have to lift off again.
I tracked my Corvette at the High Plains Raceway in Colorado last month. I'm exactly the sort of totally inexperienced driver Kai and Andy are talking about. But it was Great FUN! And, yeah, I did run off the track in turn six ... but only once. I really appreciate the efforts of the folks at OpenTrack, MotorsportReg and the Staff at High Plains Raceway.
High plains has a steep learning curve with the number of blind elements in the track. I lived in CO as a relatively-experienced driver and it still took me an entire day to get up to any kind of real pace there. Loving these guys' videos though, very well produced and informative.
Hey Curt. Colorado is my home state and I love High Plains! If you ever want some coaching we’d love to work with you. Check us out at trackrekord.com
Many thanks for watching our videos as well!!!
I’m going to be going there in two weeks, really excited
I almost died yesterday taking a corner to fast so I’m just trying to learn
this is not new to me but, this is a great explanation to be clear on my mind. i learned this kind of technique when watching whole season of initial D and play it on my PS2 or xbox 360 racing simulator games.
AFter watching F1 and videos like this went went karting again against my gearhead friend and beat him good.
Such simple tips making all the difference.
Awesome video thanks guys!
I've learnt a lot already just by watching this video.
thank you guys!! now im ready to go race!! =)
Excellent advice!! Most of people they can´t even drive into the streets and suddenly they try to be fast on a racetrack or even worse on a highway... The real good driver respects the proper environment to use his/her car in the proper conditions, this is not to race on a highway and doing the homework before hitting the track. BR
Thank you from KSA.
Very helpful 🎉
Watching this the night before my EVOC test tomorrow. 😅
I❤ur channel
Awsome 🎉
For sure, it is a challenge to ourseleves
i have a question. maybe coaching. i seem to have a problem with sweepers. not sure where to position the car and how to modulate throttle to keep the best line and speed. help !
This is my take. Slow corners (where you are likely downshifting) or corners followed by longer straights (hairpins) would be likely late apex for most cars. Constant speed corners (where you maintaining speed as you are cornering but minimal to no braking involved) would either be early apex or Ideal line. An example of this would be a chicane where often times you are trying to maintain speed to power through. Exceptions to these would be if you are late apexing through a high speed corner so that you can be positioned better on the right side of the track for the next corner.
Late apex encourage trail braking and late braking. Therefore I don't necessary subscribe to the idea to label it as slow in/fast out technique, because technically you are going in the corner fast , and also resulting in higher top speed.
Double apex corner is a combo of Early apex on entry, then follow up with Late apex at exit.
very useful!🤭
Awesome
I guess I kinda just got this and thought it was common sense befor anyone ever tried to teach me it when I first started playing racing games
There are so many people not knowing how to take corners. They overtake me on straight when I am on cruise control and when a corner comes they brake and I overtake them without even braking.
Hahaha i wanted to make this exact comment! It happens way to often when someone thinks they're fast on the road because they can overtake in a straight line but as soon as i get to a roundabout or tight corner i pass them or catch up to them at very least
Is this a new channel? I was shocked when i saw 333 (now 334☺️) subscribers. Expected at least 300k subs.
I wonder if AWD vehicle would need to enter an Apex a bit early than RWD car?
I'm watching this video to help me to improve my APEX on the "Need for Speed" game. 😂😂😂😂
This guy did work at Bondurant Racing School, did he leave?
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#1 The importance of the driving line is vastly over emphasized to novice drivers
#2 It is NOT hard to figure out the proper line. Most line finding is nothing more than copying another faster driver.
#3 The proper line can not be determined walking the track or watching a video. The grip is not always where you expect it.
#4 About the only times you will find a very creative line is on a track with a lot of vertical component - hills and depressions that change your grip by adding or taking away tire downforce.
#5 Late apexing is not very valuable on low HP cars. On a low HP car (FF, F2000), the line that gives highest minimum apex speed, and highest exit speed, will be pretty much the same.
#6 The highest min corner speed should be the focus
Driving a race car fast is more about learning the specific skill of taking the tires to the limit. It is more of an athletic endeavor than people think. There is no substitute for seat time and developing a feel for the tires. A driver who drives perfect lines but has no feel for the limit is a back-marker / lapper. Worrying about lines and similar nonsense lead new drivers to focus on the wrong things.
Maybe on a track. Finding the right line on the street is a little more difficult. Especially when you are driving a boat with the suspension of a sports car, I'm talking of course about my car a police pursuit Dodge Charger.
"Highest minimum" is a biy confusing wording wise. What do you mean by that in regards to #5 and #6
@@viciousspike9094 When you corner, your speed drops dramatically under braking, but it continues to drop as you turn in and get the car to take a set. Usually the minimum speed, the lowest your speed drops to, coincides with the apex. Getting this speed as high as possible is key. The first thing most drivers look at when they are going over data is the min corner speeds in each corner. You want them as high as possible.
On a high HP car, you want to get more rotation done early in the corner, and apex later. This is because you have a lot of ability to accelerate fast. So the line will not be a constant arc. It will be tighter early, and open to a wider radius late, with the apex late. Your min corner speed will be before the apex, and it will be LOWER than if you apexed normally. This gives higher exit speed, and you gain time down the following straight.
With a low HP car, you can not really accelerate much. If you late apex, you will lose a ton of time because your min corner speed will be low. But you have low HP, so you can not make up for the time your lost early in the corner. With a low HP car, your line is pretty much the longest smoothest arc, and your apex is a middle apex Not early, not late...but the apex that gives you the largest arc, and the highest min corner speed.
@@shooter7a did not expect such a thorough response, thank you!
@@viciousspike9094 but I stand by my prior recomendations. Do no worry about lines. Get in a race, and the line becomes pretty obvious. You need to learn to get a feel for the car, and how to take it to the limit in all aspects. When you are a novice, find a solid driver, and try to just follow him around and keep up. That will teach you a lot. Then just race a lot.
This is why karting is the best. You can get lots of track time and lots of race time without going broke.
When should I pull the emergency break😂
2:12. Your late apex looks like a true apex. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just would just like to understand better.
Alright guys here’s how you drive, get some coaching
2:21 Open "radiuses" up? You mean radii? :DDD
What is the best car for taking corners without apex?
Ok. Sometimes u have to adjust ur line. I tried forever to take a corner near my house at 40. Starting wide, coming in tight then rolling back out. I could do it at 30 and 35 but almost sacked it a couple of times trying to do 40. I have now done it twice at 40 because I changed the line. I have to drive in hard, harder than you think, then turn hard. Not a racing line at all, but I got it done. Um, I think it has to do with suspension, um because I drive a police pursuit Dodge Charger and the suspension is just unlike anything on the road. I don't think it can be done in any normal road car except maybe super cars. I just couldn't believe I did it. 2 times now. It's frightening.
Oh and let me add 1 more detail. The margin for error in that corner is 0. There is no shoulder and there is a huge ditch on BOTH sides.
Did anyone ...IS THAT MATT DAMON
BeamMP Sim Racing gang
matt damon from wish
Let's keep this video at 911 likes
Um, what’s up with the Porsche turn in spot…..dude coasted around that curve. Not impressed at all
Porsche is a unique one due to the engine placement (does depend on the model but if I'm not misstaken this one is behind the rear axel)
This makes it turn on the dime the major upset in this car is the front mounted fuel tank that can cause instability over longer races because the car balance constantly shifts
Boooooo