@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
kirk seems like a very chill and fun guy to hang with. due to my own experience, ii assumed most chinese are just THAT direct when talking to people they just met lmao
But it's a facade. They won't share their true thoughts and feelings with you never. And even if you marry them, being a foreigner, you may never be considered one of their family members. I know, this happened to me 2x and with a friend of mine. 😢
He seems very straightforward for a Chinese person. Usually they don't show their emotions, feelings or attitude towards smth that easily. That's why he seems so chill :)
I have so much appreciation for your channel, for going in depth and being genuine in your answers. Typical, surface level conversation gets boring and repetitive really quickly. Speaking on a deeper level lets us witness the complexity of real people! Each person is a unverse, innit.
Guys thanks a lot for discussing that topic, the video gives lots of food for thought. I'm from Russia and I spent one year in China, where I had a lot of Chinese acquaintances, but I could not become a real friend to any of them, both because of the language barrier (my level is around HSK 5, and it's definitely not high enough to talk about things on a deeper level), and probably because of the fact that the people I met were just not the right ones for me. Even when we are in the home country we're unlikely to make friends with anyone we meet, so I will just continue meeting new people and hope I can make real friends among Chinese people one day. Wish us all luck with building friendships no matter where! ❤
Wow! Such an open discussion between the two of you- I live in the Netherlands and my Turkish hairdresser always says : people are the same wherever you go! Anyway, what I think counts most is attitude towards children, elderly people and animals: as long as those standards are equal the rest is just cultural differences meaning not much! Really enjoy your videos Eileen!!!!! And Kirk seems like a very nice guy! Wishing you many more shows together for a huge audience! Bye bye ❤
Thanks! I always find candid discussions moving and instructive. Interestingly, how friendships work even differs between countries that are culturally relatively close countries such as the USA and Germany.
It's interesting hearing that about money! In Italy asking about money is almost a taboo, like you SHOULDN'T ask people their salaries But this is most felt among older generations, younger people are not so sensitive about it
where does she finds all these awesome people? 👏I've only clicked in the middle (19:00) to see if I'm gonna listen to it later when I'm free - this guy's observations are very profound imho. In short, seems like great stuff. Again.
Kirk is one of my fave guys to do podcast with Aileen love this topic, but as someone who has been married to chinese mainlander for 10 years now, I can say that the reason why Chinese dont have hobbies and only think about making money is because they were raised to be responsible and practical, and hobbies can take your time and also can cause money. I enjoyed this topic because I can also say the same thing to chinese, I love making friends with chinese, and ive had really closed friends maybe because I can understand them, but its true that it will take some time to make a chinese person talks deep. in my case, im lucky i get to meet chinese who cries in front of me when talking about certain topic.
From my experience - 5 years in China - it's difficult to have a meaningful friendship with a Chinese person because what I consider to be a real friend is how they treat their family and relatives, and what they consider to be a true friend, is someone who can benefit their family and relatives - say, teach them English. In other words, if it's not mutually advantageous, there's no friendship with a Chinese person. For me the only real Chinese friends I have - the only genuine interaction - are with the cleaning ladies, because I don't have anything they want.
I feel the same way, as an Asian living in the US... Most of the friends I have are "fair weather" friends, but Americans generally like to keep to their own social circles, and it's hard to be considered a "real" friend in their eyes.
@@marianne3802 right, so part of that is being a foreigner. Many Americans surround themselves with people sharing the same ideas, experiences, politics, culture, etc... Unfortunately, these type of people never really evolve their emotional intelligence, never learn empathy because they've never lived on the margin (being a foreigner). Maybe focus on a niche - music, fitness, a sport, etc... and meet people that way.
@@sof2900-i9s Exactly. Most people don't understand what it's like to be a foreigner, or to be born and raised in a country but still be regarded as "foreign" because you don't look like the majority of people living in the country. It's difficult for most people in the world to relate to this feeling of being socially isolated, therefore they cannot really imagine the emotional difficulties/ challenges we face. Ironically, I have also lived in multiple Asian countries, and while it was "easier" for me to blend in socially, it was still difficult to be considered an "equal" with the local residents. Even amongst Asian countries, there is still ignorance/ prejudice, but I think that's true for other continents too (i.e. discrimination between different European countries, African countries, South American countries, etc). Maybe if everyone had the experience of being regarded as a foreigner/ outsider in another country, they would be more empathetic, or at least understand what it's like to be seen a certain way despite not being that way at all.
@@marianne3802 thats a great point really, i think the experience of living as a foreigner is particular enough, its hard to understand if you havent been through it, at the same time it just opens your mind in ways you wouldnt expect. its a tough experience but the growth it brings is worth it
Thank you for these videos, they’re really helpful. If you could, could you make more podcasts including Jonas? Im trying to learn chinese for my boyfriends family, and they have the same accent as he does which makes it a lot easier for me to get used to and understand. Much appreciated!
Good Video and learning material. It seems like their responses and comments are more introverted, while many people today tend to be very curious when talking but less open when asked questions. This is too generalized; it would be good to interview people who are more extroverted and love making friends.
This was so interesting! When I read about Chinese culture from articles and such, I viewed it in a very positive light as a Westener. If things go well, you have many free material perks to enrich your life along with your friendships and you get to help your friends in tangible ways that truly enrich their lives. I find it quite touching, since I consider gift giving and acts of service to be my "love/friendship language". Usually more acts of service because it's a rough economy out there. But when the opportunity is there, a gift is the best thing to expect from me
Very interesting and informative video! Of course, there are also differences between other cultures or cultural circles of how friendship is viewed. But it is helpful to understand different mentalities nevertheless
*Topics Discussed with Kirk:* 1. Do you have a lot of foreign friends? 2. Why is it difficult for foreigners to make Chinese friends in China? 3. When was your first time making foreign friends? 4. What are the differences in communication between with foreigners and Chinese? 5. Do foreigners talk about their personal family situations (in initial meetings)? 6. Are you more guarded chatting with Chinese people? 7. What is the sense of boundaries among Chinese people? 8. Why do Chinese people make primarily friends superficially? 9. What does it mean when Chinese people think foreigners are "open"? 10. What are the differences in activities between foreign friends and Chinese friends? 11. Do Chinese people primarily befriend foreigners to learn English? 12. Do Chinese friends lend money to each other, and do foreigners do the same? 13. Why is it difficult for Chinese people to be friends with those older than themselves? 14. People from which country would you prefer to be friends with?
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
This was a good conversation. When I first came to China, though I didn't speak Chinese, I found it really easy to make friends, though the people who wanted to make friends with me couldn't speak English. We communicated by cellphone. I was in Baotou that time. I think a lot of Americans like to make friends to go out and play with, from what I have seen, Chinese people are working all the time and are always thinking about making money, so I feel they are the ones who really do what we call "net working". Even the friends I made in Baotou at that time eventually had me doing some tutoring in a garage. haha. It is OK, they paid me.
As an American person living in China with conversational Chinese, I will say that: 1. Chinese people, especially in certain cities, are very goal-oriented and only want to talk to you to practice English or do business etc. 2. I think "being too busy with work" is a very poor excuse (and I've heard many Chinese people say this). For example, many Mexican people in the USA and Mexico work super hard for long hours and still like to talk to people, joke around, party etc. You know, if you put a group of Mexican or American people together (for example, at an event), they will start talking about interesting topics and have fun and lively conversations. If you put a group of Chinese people together for the first time, there is a high chance they will just be quiet, look at their phones, and wait for someone to give them instructions to follow. Chinese people always talk about the "收获“ they get from conversations. So conversations need to give you 收获， but you can waste hours on 抖音 every day watching dumb videos? I think it's a silly and short-term mindset to be perfectly honest.
Maybe due to greater cultural tendency towards introversion in East and Southeast Asian countries. Has been noted by sociologists. Of course, within any culture, there is a mix of relatively introverted and extroverted.
Agreed, but as the same time, it's a result of social pressure. When Chinese people talk to foreigners (I have quite a few Chinese friends), they tend to reveal their true feelings more easily because they don't fear being judged so much.
6:55 😆 hilarious and insightful stuff, and personally extremely relatable in general, not necessarily relating to my (somewhat limited as of yet) communication w Chinese people
He's right. In the US and in the UK it would be considered bad behavior to ask someone their income, the cost of their house, or anything financial that might determine your position in society. As you mention, it would indicate that the asker was making a comparative judgement about that person, and that topic is considered out of bounds, rather like asking what kind of sex your partner prefers. Also, I take issue with your statement that aihao are useless and there for of no interest or value. As an artist I come across this attitude a lot. If we were to strip the world of all of your so-called useless activities, society would be a dull and heartless world and our lives would suffer for it.
I can relate and share your idea strongly. Here in Armenia, asking about financial situations and income would be a ruding step from the other person, while they are more important things to discuss(deeper topics). I have watched many videos in order to dive deeper into the Chinese culture, and what I've got to so far is that they are fond of (and bending) to the material things.(It's actually really personal, but I do think that culture has its own impact to the person as an individual).
@@АллаОганнисян-м5яabout material things, lemme clarify it's not the chinese culture itself but the confucian "values" within the chinese culture. You see this in Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia, and a bit in Japan. I actually hate it. But I might understand and try to balance my life with the judgmental society 😅
I think there might be some overlap between how white South Africans like me and mainland Chinese people make friends. We are usually very polite and outgoing, often quick to invite people over for a barbecue or go out together in a group, and then slowly get to know people and become "real" friends with them. Often, it's only once you've become friends with someone that you see how little they are actually like the person you first met, and the politeness was really a kind of performance or test to see if you were similar enough to them to warrant making friends with. This cultural superficial politeness is something I've seen in mainlanders too, maybe it's more common than I thought.
I feel the perception of "Westerners/foreigners" must also be influenced by the type of people that are likely to move abroad. "Internationals" anywhere tend to be people open to new experiences and interested in new points of view, those who would like to stay in a set path often would not look for opportunities abroad. So only part is westerners being more 开放，other part would be only the 开放 foreigners ending up in China.
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
I know Kirk touches on this a little bit but the idea of China vs ”国外“ is funny, as for example Denmark couldn't be more different than Saudi Arabia, which couldn't be more different than Papua New Guinea which is nothing like the USA. When my Chinese friends talk about 外国人 they're almost always talking about white western europeans and north americans. If talking about Indians they'll say 印度人, if it's Japanese it's 日本人.
right, sometimes i sense that in china, people are viewed in terms of china vs the world. its a very reductive way of talking about people from different cultures, its kind of giving us vs them mentality
Advanced amateur tip (most heavily overused over here but works every time): When asked a question you're not interested answering, say "Why?" Repeat as needed. It's magic 🙂
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Well, from a mainstream point of view, it's logical that Zeon is the antagonist since they are modeled after Nazi Germany, and also that the Federation is considered "good" because they are a modeled after "modern democracies", although that changes very quickly in Zeta and subsequent series, Gundam being a morally grey franchise. So basically, if you say you prefer the Zeon ideology to the Federation one, that's like saying you prefer Nazism to democracy, which would be considered weird in most cultures in the world 😅 In Legend of the Galactic Heroes/銀河英雄伝説, the ideologies are far more nuanced, so it leaves more room to root for one side or the other for example. Anyway, Gundam is cool (or used to, at least), didn't know that there were fans in China!
well the thing is, if chinese talk to foreigners, those are usually higher educated and have a different mindset. So a western guy without higher education may have the same mindset as an ordinary Chinese, from thinking and making arguments. So it's not so much different actually.
36:25 As someone who has lived in both America and China, I find that American people tend to keep their true opinions on "certain" topics off-limits (politics, religion, finances, etc) because America is politically/ racially diverse, while China is politically/ racially homogeneous. China has a collectivist society with a communist government, while America has an individualistic society with a democratic government. Therefore, even if two people belong to the same race in America, they could still be divided politically (Republican vs Democrat). This would be very uncommon in China. It's not that Americans have a superiority complex (although some people definitely do), it's just that we are taught that we should be divided by our beliefs or values (thanks to the election process). Also, we are used to being shamed by our general society if we express our real opinions (if it is not "politically correct" or "positive" enough). Therefore, it can be difficult to trust other people (even other Americans!) when we are communicating with them, because we are used to being judged for our values, opinions, and beliefs. Local/ federal politicians also support this division to become elected. So it's better not to talk about our beliefs with strangers in public. We just have intense trust issues lol.
в общем, интересный разговор...вот только я не поняла, неужели это действительно считается "Intermediate"? однако! 😳 ну, видимо, да, так что вопрос чисто риторический)
I am from Russia. In Soviet time it was very bad move to ask money from your friend if you do some service for him (what he ask to). You will be called JEW 😂Now it seems more western approach = service? Pay me money even if you friend (of course if some barter not diskussed previously).
Kirk, if you happen to be in France one day give me a call mate. we will celebrate. Great hairstyle by the way. keep it up. Thank you eileen for your great ideos by the way
I don't think foreigners develop hobbies because they earn more. I live in a poor country and a lot of us have artistics hobbies because we don't have pressure from our family to become rich, buy a house or a good car.
Not true. It is in fact quite common to use different names in different cultures, many immigrants to America anglicise their names for example to make them easier to pronounce. The only difference is that Chinese names are so different from English ones that you might as well start from scratch.
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@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
I really enjoy episodes with Kirk! He’s really funny and insightful
kirk seems like a very chill and fun guy to hang with. due to my own experience, ii assumed most chinese are just THAT direct when talking to people they just met lmao
But it's a facade. They won't share their true thoughts and feelings with you never. And even if you marry them, being a foreigner, you may never be considered one of their family members. I know, this happened to me 2x and with a friend of mine. 😢
He seems very straightforward for a Chinese person. Usually they don't show their emotions, feelings or attitude towards smth that easily. That's why he seems so chill :)
I have so much appreciation for your channel, for going in depth and being genuine in your answers. Typical, surface level conversation gets boring and repetitive really quickly. Speaking on a deeper level lets us witness the complexity of real people! Each person is a unverse, innit.
Guys thanks a lot for discussing that topic, the video gives lots of food for thought. I'm from Russia and I spent one year in China, where I had a lot of Chinese acquaintances, but I could not become a real friend to any of them, both because of the language barrier (my level is around HSK 5, and it's definitely not high enough to talk about things on a deeper level), and probably because of the fact that the people I met were just not the right ones for me. Even when we are in the home country we're unlikely to make friends with anyone we meet, so I will just continue meeting new people and hope I can make real friends among Chinese people one day. Wish us all luck with building friendships no matter where! ❤
The same, I'm from Russia and while living in China for 2 years I became good friends with many foreigners but not a single good Chinese friend:(
Wow! Such an open discussion between the two of you- I live in the Netherlands and my Turkish hairdresser always says : people are the same wherever you go! Anyway, what I think counts most is attitude towards children, elderly people and animals: as long as those standards are equal the rest is just cultural differences meaning not much! Really enjoy your videos Eileen!!!!! And Kirk seems like a very nice guy! Wishing you many more shows together for a huge audience! Bye bye ❤
Kirk sounds like such a nice Guy ! They type of person seems so fun to hang out with !
Thanks! I always find candid discussions moving and instructive. Interestingly, how friendships work even differs between countries that are culturally relatively close countries such as the USA and Germany.
It's interesting hearing that about money!
In Italy asking about money is almost a taboo, like you SHOULDN'T ask people their salaries
But this is most felt among older generations, younger people are not so sensitive about it
Well that’s why many consider Chinese as gold diggers bcz they demand a high income
Always looking forward to the next interview. 我每次非常满意。谢谢你的努力 Eileen. Love Kirk, too.
Super interesting topic, I really enjoyed listening. Trying to revive my mandarin, this was just what I needed! Hope to see more videos like this!
Excellent listening material. Thank you
我最喜歡的Kirk回來了，我好開心！非常有意思的話題和討論，謝謝Eileen 🙌🏾
where does she finds all these awesome people? 👏I've only clicked in the middle (19:00) to see if I'm gonna listen to it later when I'm free - this guy's observations are very profound imho. In short, seems like great stuff. Again.
Kirk is one of my fave guys to do podcast with Aileen love this topic, but as someone who has been married to chinese mainlander for 10 years now, I can say that the reason why Chinese dont have hobbies and only think about making money is because they were raised to be responsible and practical, and hobbies can take your time and also can cause money. I enjoyed this topic because I can also say the same thing to chinese, I love making friends with chinese, and ive had really closed friends maybe because I can understand them, but its true that it will take some time to make a chinese person talks deep. in my case, im lucky i get to meet chinese who cries in front of me when talking about certain topic.
From my experience - 5 years in China - it's difficult to have a meaningful friendship with a Chinese person because what I consider to be a real friend is how they treat their family and relatives, and what they consider to be a true friend, is someone who can benefit their family and relatives - say, teach them English. In other words, if it's not mutually advantageous, there's no friendship with a Chinese person. For me the only real Chinese friends I have - the only genuine interaction - are with the cleaning ladies, because I don't have anything they want.
I feel the same way, as an Asian living in the US... Most of the friends I have are "fair weather" friends, but Americans generally like to keep to their own social circles, and it's hard to be considered a "real" friend in their eyes.
@@marianne3802 right, so part of that is being a foreigner. Many Americans surround themselves with people sharing the same ideas, experiences, politics, culture, etc... Unfortunately, these type of people never really evolve their emotional intelligence, never learn empathy because they've never lived on the margin (being a foreigner). Maybe focus on a niche - music, fitness, a sport, etc... and meet people that way.
@@sof2900-i9s Exactly. Most people don't understand what it's like to be a foreigner, or to be born and raised in a country but still be regarded as "foreign" because you don't look like the majority of people living in the country. It's difficult for most people in the world to relate to this feeling of being socially isolated, therefore they cannot really imagine the emotional difficulties/ challenges we face.
Ironically, I have also lived in multiple Asian countries, and while it was "easier" for me to blend in socially, it was still difficult to be considered an "equal" with the local residents. Even amongst Asian countries, there is still ignorance/ prejudice, but I think that's true for other continents too (i.e. discrimination between different European countries, African countries, South American countries, etc).
Maybe if everyone had the experience of being regarded as a foreigner/ outsider in another country, they would be more empathetic, or at least understand what it's like to be seen a certain way despite not being that way at all.
@@marianne3802 thats a great point really, i think the experience of living as a foreigner is particular enough, its hard to understand if you havent been through it, at the same time it just opens your mind in ways you wouldnt expect. its a tough experience but the growth it brings is worth it
I believe that it is the same all over the world...
Thank you for these videos, they are really helpful.
Thank you for these videos, they’re really helpful. If you could, could you make more podcasts including Jonas? Im trying to learn chinese for my boyfriends family, and they have the same accent as he does which makes it a lot easier for me to get used to and understand. Much appreciated!
Jonas' accent is so freaking hard to understand for me 😭 which region of China has that accent ?
@@StratosFair Fujian province, but Jonas is from Jiangxi province. Im not sure if theres any others with this accent.
I listened to t this without watching the subtitles at first, I understood most of it. I will listen again with subtitles again this week
Very insightful young man, great interview!
Good Video and learning material.
It seems like their responses and comments are more introverted, while many people today tend to be very curious when talking but less open when asked questions. This is too generalized; it would be good to interview people who are more extroverted and love making friends.
This was so interesting! When I read about Chinese culture from articles and such, I viewed it in a very positive light as a Westener. If things go well, you have many free material perks to enrich your life along with your friendships and you get to help your friends in tangible ways that truly enrich their lives. I find it quite touching, since I consider gift giving and acts of service to be my "love/friendship language". Usually more acts of service because it's a rough economy out there. But when the opportunity is there, a gift is the best thing to expect from me
Very interesting insights. Loved this!
Very interesting and informative video! Of course, there are also differences between other cultures or cultural circles of how friendship is viewed. But it is helpful to understand different mentalities nevertheless
太棒了Eileen，一如既往很有趣的采访！
谢谢你长期以来的关注和支持！
谢谢你的分享，你的频道给中文学习者很多帮助。我是印度尼西亚人。爱你❤
谢谢你们。非常有意思的话题。
谢谢! 你们的视频真的很有意思。
Eileen大感谢！这种内容一定会让我更好学中文！
我在香港住了三年多，對我來說，跟香港人做朋友是一個比較又長又慢的過程，但是非常值得。建成了一些深刻美好的友誼。香港人能英文說得不錯，但是學中文(廣東話)還很重要而很有幫助
*Topics Discussed with Kirk:*
1. Do you have a lot of foreign friends?
2. Why is it difficult for foreigners to make Chinese friends in China?
3. When was your first time making foreign friends?
4. What are the differences in communication between with foreigners and Chinese?
5. Do foreigners talk about their personal family situations (in initial meetings)?
6. Are you more guarded chatting with Chinese people?
7. What is the sense of boundaries among Chinese people?
8. Why do Chinese people make primarily friends superficially?
9. What does it mean when Chinese people think foreigners are "open"?
10. What are the differences in activities between foreign friends and Chinese friends?
11. Do Chinese people primarily befriend foreigners to learn English?
12. Do Chinese friends lend money to each other, and do foreigners do the same?
13. Why is it difficult for Chinese people to be friends with those older than themselves?
14. People from which country would you prefer to be friends with?
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
This was a good conversation.
When I first came to China, though I didn't speak Chinese, I found it really easy to make friends, though the people who wanted to make friends with me couldn't speak English. We communicated by cellphone. I was in Baotou that time.
I think a lot of Americans like to make friends to go out and play with, from what I have seen, Chinese people are working all the time and are always thinking about making money, so I feel they are the ones who really do what we call "net working". Even the friends I made in Baotou at that time eventually had me doing some tutoring in a garage. haha. It is OK, they paid me.
As an American person living in China with conversational Chinese, I will say that:
1. Chinese people, especially in certain cities, are very goal-oriented and only want to talk to you to practice English or do business etc.
2. I think "being too busy with work" is a very poor excuse (and I've heard many Chinese people say this). For example, many Mexican people in the USA and Mexico work super hard for long hours and still like to talk to people, joke around, party etc. You know, if you put a group of Mexican or American people together (for example, at an event), they will start talking about interesting topics and have fun and lively conversations. If you put a group of Chinese people together for the first time, there is a high chance they will just be quiet, look at their phones, and wait for someone to give them instructions to follow. Chinese people always talk about the "收获“ they get from conversations. So conversations need to give you 收获， but you can waste hours on 抖音 every day watching dumb videos? I think it's a silly and short-term mindset to be perfectly honest.
Maybe due to greater cultural tendency towards introversion in East and Southeast Asian countries. Has been noted by sociologists. Of course, within any culture, there is a mix of relatively introverted and extroverted.
Spot on dude.
Agreed, but as the same time, it's a result of social pressure. When Chinese people talk to foreigners (I have quite a few Chinese friends), they tend to reveal their true feelings more easily because they don't fear being judged so much.
6:55 😆 hilarious and insightful stuff, and personally extremely relatable in general, not necessarily relating to my (somewhat limited as of yet) communication w Chinese people
kirk is insightful indeed, but i fear he would walk away from my crazy ass after the first hour conversation 😢 great video,thank you so much 🎉🎉
Why? 😂
What a cool and intelligent dude.
He's right. In the US and in the UK it would be considered bad behavior to ask someone their income, the cost of their house, or anything financial that might determine your position in society. As you mention, it would indicate that the asker was making a comparative judgement about that person, and that topic is considered out of bounds, rather like asking what kind of sex your partner prefers. Also, I take issue with your statement that aihao are useless and there for of no interest or value. As an artist I come across this attitude a lot. If we were to strip the world of all of your so-called useless activities, society would be a dull and heartless world and our lives would suffer for it.
hobbies can give our lives balance
I can relate and share your idea strongly. Here in Armenia, asking about financial situations and income would be a ruding step from the other person, while they are more important things to discuss(deeper topics). I have watched many videos in order to dive deeper into the Chinese culture, and what I've got to so far is that they are fond of (and bending) to the material things.(It's actually really personal, but I do think that culture has its own impact to the person as an individual).
In some cultures, interactions are defined by relative rank or status, so someone doesn't know how to behave until they know your wealth or status.
@@АллаОганнисян-м5яabout material things, lemme clarify it's not the chinese culture itself but the confucian "values" within the chinese culture. You see this in Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia, and a bit in Japan. I actually hate it. But I might understand and try to balance my life with the judgmental society 😅
@@yin_xing Got it now.Thanks.🙂
很有意思！🤔
看完了，难怪
谢谢分享 ！
I think there might be some overlap between how white South Africans like me and mainland Chinese people make friends. We are usually very polite and outgoing, often quick to invite people over for a barbecue or go out together in a group, and then slowly get to know people and become "real" friends with them. Often, it's only once you've become friends with someone that you see how little they are actually like the person you first met, and the politeness was really a kind of performance or test to see if you were similar enough to them to warrant making friends with. This cultural superficial politeness is something I've seen in mainlanders too, maybe it's more common than I thought.
Does that mean friendships are based on things like salary, work, family similarities, and things like that?
I feel the perception of "Westerners/foreigners" must also be influenced by the type of people that are likely to move abroad. "Internationals" anywhere tend to be people open to new experiences and interested in new points of view, those who would like to stay in a set path often would not look for opportunities abroad. So only part is westerners being more 开放，other part would be only the 开放 foreigners ending up in China.
nice speech
muito bom
非常好
@mandarinCorner2, Out of all the beautiful sceneries and locations in Africa why did you use the dirty market location to depict Africa when your interviewee mentioned the name of the continent?!! Meanwhile when you depict China, you show us the beautiful locations and never the dirty places of China
滚滚滚。我们学语言。不在乎政治。Get a life.
I study at Beijing Language and Culture University, and making Chinese friends is so easy. Much easier than making friends back in America
I know Kirk touches on this a little bit but the idea of China vs ”国外“ is funny, as for example Denmark couldn't be more different than Saudi Arabia, which couldn't be more different than Papua New Guinea which is nothing like the USA. When my Chinese friends talk about 外国人 they're almost always talking about white western europeans and north americans. If talking about Indians they'll say 印度人, if it's Japanese it's 日本人.
right, sometimes i sense that in china, people are viewed in terms of china vs the world. its a very reductive way of talking about people from different cultures, its kind of giving us vs them mentality
Advanced amateur tip (most heavily overused over here but works every time):
When asked a question you're not interested answering, say "Why?"
Repeat as needed.
It's magic 🙂
In Chinese or English?
36:17 as someone from the Philippines 🇵🇭 this is true especially the self-deprecating humor 😂if you need another friend from SEA hmu bro 😎
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是的，作为阿拉伯人在广州时候，发现有文化差异，影响到与其他人的友谊
我是从美国来的，我就在中国好几年。我在哪儿的时候，我有很多朋友，第一个是我会说中文，第二个是我对他们的文化有兴趣。我比较喜欢跟当地的中国人做朋友，我不想交别的外国人，我觉得那是一个浪费时间，浪费在中国的经验。我还是很想念中国。
Well, from a mainstream point of view, it's logical that Zeon is the antagonist since they are modeled after Nazi Germany, and also that the Federation is considered "good" because they are a modeled after "modern democracies", although that changes very quickly in Zeta and subsequent series, Gundam being a morally grey franchise. So basically, if you say you prefer the Zeon ideology to the Federation one, that's like saying you prefer Nazism to democracy, which would be considered weird in most cultures in the world 😅 In Legend of the Galactic Heroes/銀河英雄伝説, the ideologies are far more nuanced, so it leaves more room to root for one side or the other for example. Anyway, Gundam is cool (or used to, at least), didn't know that there were fans in China!
Does Kirk have a channel or podcast? Ta.
www.youtube.com/@PunchPalPan
我认为，每个友谊其实需要一个很清楚存在的原因，如果两个人同时从互相需要接受某物的，那样的需要可能会最终让那两个人的友谊更强。比如说， 假设我作为美国人在中国居住，并且我碰到一个想学好英文的中国人，为什么是错的呢？我门两个人都需要事情, 我们就能给彼此帮一个忙，有些时间下来我们都变成了好朋友，再说是一种真挚的友谊，那，为什么是错的?
well the thing is, if chinese talk to foreigners, those are usually higher educated and have a different mindset. So a western guy without higher education may have the same mindset as an ordinary Chinese, from thinking and making arguments. So it's not so much different actually.
36:25 As someone who has lived in both America and China, I find that American people tend to keep their true opinions on "certain" topics off-limits (politics, religion, finances, etc) because America is politically/ racially diverse, while China is politically/ racially homogeneous.
China has a collectivist society with a communist government, while America has an individualistic society with a democratic government.
Therefore, even if two people belong to the same race in America, they could still be divided politically (Republican vs Democrat). This would be very uncommon in China.
It's not that Americans have a superiority complex (although some people definitely do), it's just that we are taught that we should be divided by our beliefs or values (thanks to the election process). Also, we are used to being shamed by our general society if we express our real opinions (if it is not "politically correct" or "positive" enough).
Therefore, it can be difficult to trust other people (even other Americans!) when we are communicating with them, because we are used to being judged for our values, opinions, and beliefs. Local/ federal politicians also support this division to become elected. So it's better not to talk about our beliefs with strangers in public. We just have intense trust issues lol.
You smell like a 50 cent chinese troll, sorry if I'm wrong.
这个美国人觉得你们很有趣❤
I learn this video in October 15, 2024
в общем, интересный разговор...вот только я не поняла, неужели это действительно считается "Intermediate"? однако! 😳 ну, видимо, да, так что вопрос чисто риторический)
How did the Japanese know that the boss man was going to ask them to do the logo?
32:00
33:00
I want to have chinese friends, seems fun
I am from Russia. In Soviet time it was very bad move to ask money from your friend if you do some service for him (what he ask to). You will be called JEW 😂Now it seems more western approach = service? Pay me money even if you friend (of course if some barter not diskussed previously).
老师好，请问，kirk在19.00的时候说到了外国人因外表的不同而被拒之门外，中国人不会给外国人留机会去聊到深层的话题。但kirk又说了中国人之间也不会说到很深的话题，只会寒暄几句话之类的。他话里面好像有些矛盾，我不太能明白他的点到底在哪里？期待你的回复！
Kirk说中国人会因外国人外表而拒之门外是因为，有些中国人会认为外国人不懂中国文化，有些话题没必要跟外国人解释。而中国人之间本身也不聊有深度的话题是因为，中国人不太注重发展个人兴趣爱好，因此在某些话题方面，我们没有想法可以分享。其实，总体来说，Kirk的点就在于中国人不太喜欢聊有深度的话题，不论是跟中国人还是跟外国人，但可能原因不同而已。
@@MandarinCorner2 对，据他的话来讲，跟中国人无法进行深度的交流… 但依我的经验来看，我作为外国人还是会尽可能挖中国对方的话题，看看能不能掰开他们。大部分时候还是会成功！我们外国友人应该需要再向他们再迈进一部，多付出一些努力哈哈！
Eileen why looks distracted😌
在美国还有中国，我不是一个容易理解怎么交朋友的人。虽然我认识很多人，但是大部分的我一直觉得我们没办法聊到有意思的话题。挺难的，对我来说。
Kirk, if you happen to be in France one day give me a call mate. we will celebrate. Great hairstyle by the way. keep it up. Thank you eileen for your great ideos by the way
這是一個開明的觀點：當成見和偏見已经閉上那個門的時候, 你不能跟我聊。
非常有意思的表达！！
孟加拉
斯里兰卡
觉得还不过瘾
深一步地
侧重于语法
很对我们胃口
攀岩
搭帐篷
户型
营造出一副样子
对钱感到饥渴
造诣很深
防备心很强
偷窥我
边界感很弱
很骚的短裤））
把陌生人拒之门外
共处
国际时事
回音室
自说自话
兜售商品
涉猎书/涉猎很广
先入为主的印象
应该说"Why DO Chinese and foreigners view friendships differently?"
作为标题，"Why Chinese and foreigners view friendships differently?" 语法上好像没有问题。
有问号还是有问题的对吧？没有问号可以这么说
I don't think foreigners develop hobbies because they earn more. I live in a poor country and a lot of us have artistics hobbies because we don't have pressure from our family to become rich, buy a house or a good car.
Can someone explain why Chinese people always use random English names and not their real names? No other nation does this.
Not true. It is in fact quite common to use different names in different cultures, many immigrants to America anglicise their names for example to make them easier to pronounce. The only difference is that Chinese names are so different from English ones that you might as well start from scratch.
你们接触到的外国人太少了吧。我觉得西方人和中国人的区别没有多少😅
Listening to this guy is very interesting and it could be rather harsh but I wonder whether Chinese people know what friendship is
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25:16 我删除了这样的人
他的頭髮很嚴重