Infinite Crisis was DOPE! I honestly can’t change my mind because I love it. It brought me back into comics after my high school era hiatus. Superboy-Prime is my dude and I love when he’s involved in any story.
A few things about Infinite Crisis: 1. Batman is readying the chamber to shoot Alexander fyi, that is the sound effect. 2. The logistics for this event was amazing. 4 separate mini series led up to IC along with tie ins from WW, Superman, Justice League, Batman and others, and it all started with Countdown, the death of Blue Beetle 3. This was supposed to have been Dick Graysons death scene, as it is perfectly set up. Dick is the reason Bruce doesn't join earth 2 Superman in issue 3, Bruce and Dicks last conversation, Brother Eye's forshadowing, Dicks almost death to Superboy Prime (replaced by Connor), then Dick's actual death would be at the end by Alexander Luther where Bruce doesn't pull the trigger. It would have been the most powerful death in comics then DC changed their minds at the last moment. 4. Amazing fights. Superman vs Wonder Woman. Supermen vs Doomsday. Batfamily vs Deathstroke. Superboy prime vs Teen Titans, Superboy Prime vs Green Lantern Corp. Massive double page spreads of all out war. This series and all the lead ups and tie ins are what comics were all about. This may be the best organized and planned event in all comic history- resulting in one of the greatest stories ever told.
I'm honored you thought my comment was good enough to talk about directly in the video! I can totally be down with the idea that Kal-L after aging several decades is less of a reckless hot head than he was in his youth. Though if you read all his appearances it does sort of feel like "Wow Kal-L, you're judging Kal-El for that when you did way worse when you were his age." The examples you were great, and there's also the time he drugged a football player and kidnapped so he could assume his identity temporally. But yeah Post-Crisis is the morally grey world :P Fantastic review! I thought you did an excellent job relating the themes. I feel like one of DC's biggest strengths AND weaknesses is the meta-ness and fixation on legacy it's had since the first Crisis. If there are weaknesses to that, it's that it can come across sometimes as self-aggrandizing or comes across as overly simplistic. That's really the part of Infinite Crisis that I enjoy the most. The broad reader sense and the sense in some DC comics that "Pre-Crisis comics were like this" and "Post-Crisis comics are like that." But as the event shows, these are taking specific moments out of context. The Pre-Crisis era could be a bit hokey, but it wasn't always sunshine and rainbows, they did deal with serious themes and actual loss sometimes. Post-Crisis era could be a bit sensationalistic at times but it wasn't all doom and gloom, this was the era where BATMAN of all people says "Lighten up a little will ya? My God, you're positively grim!" Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime look at moments out of time, literally out of context, the same way some readers did. That to me is truly what I get out of Infinite Crisis, it's that building a narrative from single moments will you show patterns that are lesser than they appear, or outright don't expect. It's that the more and deeper you look into a subject, the more you realize it's complexities and you can't sum it up with simplistic binaries. As a fellow Supes fan I also really like the meta way that Post-Crisis Superman's power and narrative developed are linked in Infinite Crisis. Early in Post-Crisis, the Pre-Crisis Kryptonians as exemplified by the Pocket Universe Kryptonians, are the ideal outside of what Superman is unable to do, both in and out of universe. Interviews constantly talk about how Superman "isn't gonna be juggling planets with his finger like the Pre-Crisis days" and when Superman sees the Pocket Universe Kryptonians they seem to be untouchable and unstoppable. However Infinite Crisis is where Superman has to finally match strength with Pre-Crisis Kryptonians in Kal-L and SBP, has to match the ideal his universe represents literally against theirs did and is the moment I think where the universe stops really differentiating between Pre and Post-Crisis Kryptonians. I just think that's cool. I REALLY agree with your thoughts on the "Infinite Crisis just proves the Pre-Crisis Heroes right by depicting it as so violent." It's a real pet peeve of mine when people conflate DEPICTING something as ENDORSING something. Infinite Crisis, while it has sick action scenes, uses violence with more intent and purpose than most action media. If anything is to be concerning about depicting graphic violence, it should be series that promote senseless violence rather than the one that actually looks at it critically. Hope your time clears up and you get to relax a little, you deserve it.
Well said! I wish I could give this comment two hearts. I think it's also fair to say had Golden Age Clark not been going through Lois' death, he probably would've been more self-aware, and yeah, Golden Age comics are really something else. As much coverage as Silver Age covers get, Clark was moving different in the 30s/40s. The development of him reaching those levels isn't something I've thought about much, but now that you mention it there is a really neat incline for Supes taking on characters from that era, from starting by getting beaten around by Pre-Crisis Superboy in the Byrne run to fighting a Time Trapper SBP in LO3W. The rest of your comment I also absolutely agree with, though I don't have much to add, but thanks for dropping this comment.
Infinite Crisis was DOPE! I honestly can’t change my mind because I love it. It brought me back into comics after my high school era hiatus. Superboy-Prime is my dude and I love when he’s involved in any story.
A few things about Infinite Crisis: 1. Batman is readying the chamber to shoot Alexander fyi, that is the sound effect.
2. The logistics for this event was amazing. 4 separate mini series led up to IC along with tie ins from WW, Superman, Justice League, Batman and others, and it all started with Countdown, the death of Blue Beetle
3. This was supposed to have been Dick Graysons death scene, as it is perfectly set up. Dick is the reason Bruce doesn't join earth 2 Superman in issue 3, Bruce and Dicks last conversation, Brother Eye's forshadowing, Dicks almost death to Superboy Prime (replaced by Connor), then Dick's actual death would be at the end by Alexander Luther where Bruce doesn't pull the trigger. It would have been the most powerful death in comics then DC changed their minds at the last moment.
4. Amazing fights. Superman vs Wonder Woman. Supermen vs Doomsday. Batfamily vs Deathstroke. Superboy prime vs Teen Titans, Superboy Prime vs Green Lantern Corp. Massive double page spreads of all out war. This series and all the lead ups and tie ins are what comics were all about. This may be the best organized and planned event in all comic history- resulting in one of the greatest stories ever told.
I'm honored you thought my comment was good enough to talk about directly in the video! I can totally be down with the idea that Kal-L after aging several decades is less of a reckless hot head than he was in his youth. Though if you read all his appearances it does sort of feel like "Wow Kal-L, you're judging Kal-El for that when you did way worse when you were his age." The examples you were great, and there's also the time he drugged a football player and kidnapped so he could assume his identity temporally. But yeah Post-Crisis is the morally grey world :P
Fantastic review! I thought you did an excellent job relating the themes. I feel like one of DC's biggest strengths AND weaknesses is the meta-ness and fixation on legacy it's had since the first Crisis. If there are weaknesses to that, it's that it can come across sometimes as self-aggrandizing or comes across as overly simplistic. That's really the part of Infinite Crisis that I enjoy the most. The broad reader sense and the sense in some DC comics that "Pre-Crisis comics were like this" and "Post-Crisis comics are like that." But as the event shows, these are taking specific moments out of context. The Pre-Crisis era could be a bit hokey, but it wasn't always sunshine and rainbows, they did deal with serious themes and actual loss sometimes. Post-Crisis era could be a bit sensationalistic at times but it wasn't all doom and gloom, this was the era where BATMAN of all people says "Lighten up a little will ya? My God, you're positively grim!" Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime look at moments out of time, literally out of context, the same way some readers did. That to me is truly what I get out of Infinite Crisis, it's that building a narrative from single moments will you show patterns that are lesser than they appear, or outright don't expect. It's that the more and deeper you look into a subject, the more you realize it's complexities and you can't sum it up with simplistic binaries.
As a fellow Supes fan I also really like the meta way that Post-Crisis Superman's power and narrative developed are linked in Infinite Crisis. Early in Post-Crisis, the Pre-Crisis Kryptonians as exemplified by the Pocket Universe Kryptonians, are the ideal outside of what Superman is unable to do, both in and out of universe. Interviews constantly talk about how Superman "isn't gonna be juggling planets with his finger like the Pre-Crisis days" and when Superman sees the Pocket Universe Kryptonians they seem to be untouchable and unstoppable. However Infinite Crisis is where Superman has to finally match strength with Pre-Crisis Kryptonians in Kal-L and SBP, has to match the ideal his universe represents literally against theirs did and is the moment I think where the universe stops really differentiating between Pre and Post-Crisis Kryptonians. I just think that's cool.
I REALLY agree with your thoughts on the "Infinite Crisis just proves the Pre-Crisis Heroes right by depicting it as so violent." It's a real pet peeve of mine when people conflate DEPICTING something as ENDORSING something. Infinite Crisis, while it has sick action scenes, uses violence with more intent and purpose than most action media. If anything is to be concerning about depicting graphic violence, it should be series that promote senseless violence rather than the one that actually looks at it critically.
Hope your time clears up and you get to relax a little, you deserve it.
Well said! I wish I could give this comment two hearts.
I think it's also fair to say had Golden Age Clark not been going through Lois' death, he probably would've been more self-aware, and yeah, Golden Age comics are really something else. As much coverage as Silver Age covers get, Clark was moving different in the 30s/40s.
The development of him reaching those levels isn't something I've thought about much, but now that you mention it there is a really neat incline for Supes taking on characters from that era, from starting by getting beaten around by Pre-Crisis Superboy in the Byrne run to fighting a Time Trapper SBP in LO3W.
The rest of your comment I also absolutely agree with, though I don't have much to add, but thanks for dropping this comment.
@@e2b514 If you can't give me two hearts, you're just gonna have to keep being an awesome content creator instead ;)
I might pick up DC comics, the DC movies kept me hesitant but your vids make me want to *read them. Good vid E2Goat
Thanks man! If you ever need some recommendations for starting comics, hit me up.
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Wow this is such a great video.
I'm definitely going go finish reading Infinite Crisis now.
Thanks, hope you enjoy it!
Great Video!
My goat being consistent with heat videos.
Much appreciated 👑
Yes!!! I read the whole Omni in like 3 days! Shit was too goood
Nice e2b
W video
Should i get final crisis or infinite crisis? (Ive already read crisis on infinite earths)
If you have the option, get both! I'd recommend reading Infinite Crisis first, though.
@@e2b514 thanks