Of course he's stronger than post-crisis and post rebirth as well. He's almost their with Pre-crisis Earth-One Superman and Superboy-prime. Kingdom come superman looks cool, he's older still stronger,he's immune to kryptonite, he's absorbed more sunlight than post-crisis superman or even modern alternate superman.
@@godslayer8894 that's highly unlikely. Modern prime earth superman is less experienced wouldn't mop the floor with kingdom come superman nor any older version of superman from the previous Pre-crisis post crisis nor post infinite crisis multiverse. Remember few years ago he died from having a kryptonite therapy and had post crisis superman 1986to 2011 from convergence replaced him. Only reason he was resurrected was he was combined with post crisis superman to make superman reborn. He would of stayed dead if it wasn't for him. We have our own likes and dislikes.
@@mercuryman1250 that doesn't mean anything as they are set in two separate universes it isn't even remotely comparable especially when you bring feats into the conversation current superman is quite literally stronger than most variations of superman post crisis and current superman are one in the same
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@@FahimusAlimusStill, I would like to see a versus video between, with them having equal stats and having to rely on skill and experience to see who would win in a fight. People always talk about how skilled Sonic is as a fighter all because he beat Emerl that pull that he’s the only fighter between him and the Flash. Despite the fact that Flash has been around way longer than Sonic and has a lot of experience fighting without powers, training from the Police Academy, Justice League and the Blackhawk Squadron. Not to mention he straight up states that he can still fight without his powers. How do you underestimate a guy with a near broken arm and broken finger who can dodge an attack and land one on Flashpoint Batman?
I'm a little late but the way I see it is KC Supes is physically more powerful, where Mainline Supes is mentally stronger. A younger superman still has all the mental barriers while KC has less BUT. One of the biggest factors is him losing Lois, Having his friends die, losing faith and thinking that he failed, I think that after him and Wonder Woman get together he starts to eventually Forgive himself and move on, Allowing him to not hold back so much and have a reason to fight again????
First of all love the video can't wait to see more of your of work 🤩🤩🤩 Second I would like to say since you talk about the other kryptonians AKA power girl and Superboy is there any chance you could do more videos but those characters either with a matchup or how strong is character? Sorry for the big question I just love those two😅
Thanks a ton and no worries, I don't mind video recommendations in the slightest! At the moment I don't have any plans for a video on either of those two, but I like Superboy and Power Girl as well, so I definitely may make a video going into more of their scaling in the future.
@@e2b514 thank you for answering my question and I understand, either way you're going to make a lot of entertaining videos anyway even if you do or do not make a power girl and Superboy video, I can't wait for more of your work
First off, I'm not joining the discord because power scalers can be really toxic and I'm not going to argue with people who throw around personal insults over fictional characters. Secondly, I have many issues with this video. The scan you show for Superman getting hit "off-guard" have no implications of him having nerfed durability. Therefore, regardless of whether or not you want it to be an outlier for Hercules, it still grants him AP that can stagger Post-Crisis Superman. If Hercules is weaker than an infant Wonder Woman who as an adult can be choked out by Cheetah in the recent Wonder Woman #10 (who should not be any weaker than post-crisis Wonder Woman in my knowledge), and who also gets bitch slapped by Superman in Superman #211, then there is no way he's staggering Superman...but he did. The same argument could be made for the young Superboy, who was KO'd by Kingdom Come Superman in one punch. About Power Girl, the only implication that she was holding back against KC Supes was based on assumptions, even though there was no dialogue to confirm that. You also claimed that the JSA isn't that powerful, which just isn't true. Hawkman alone has staggered post-crisis Clark in Public Enemies. Alan Scott is made up completely by the Starheart. He has fought the JSA AND Justice League at once using just his constructs. He has held his own against Mordru, who can destroy galaxies and has beaten Doctor Fate. He has also taken on Ultra Humanite who at the time was wielding the power of a 5th dimensional imp. Finally, he restrained Gog for a while during the fight you mentioned. Kingdom Come Superman overpowered him too. I got the scans from Quora but YT doesn't allow links on here, so just look it up. The JSA issues were written by Geoff Johns, whereas Convergence was written by Jeff King, Scott Lobdell and Dan Jurgens. Writers don't usually pay too much attention to inverse scaling (for example, Batman has staggered Solomon Grundy who has fought the JSA, Batman also drew blood from Hawkman, who as I mentioned previously staggered Superman, also my points about Wonder Woman) so although Kingdom Come Superman lost that fight, he has one-shot Post-Crisis Clark before. A younger version of Kingdom Come Superman drew blood from the new canon Superman with one punch in World's Finest #21. Kingdom Come Superman has absorbed more solar radiation which is confirmed to be an amp for Superman. So narratively, despite all of your assumptions and inverse scaling based on fights against ONE CHARACTER (Gog), Kingdom Come Superman should be stronger. Finally, Kingdom Come itself will always be canon over his other appearances, similar to how the DCAU has its own comic-designated earth number which isn't canon to the shows. The Kingdom has inconsistencies with Kingdom Come, such as Clark and Diana's child being a boy rather than a girl. But even so, this video is missing a lot.
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It interesting that you dismiss feats from KC Superman that YOU deem to not be "relevant". The "Thy Kingdom Come" Superman was CLEARLY shown to be more powerful than "Mainline" Superman (Mostly unaffected by Kryptonite, Greater Hearing, TOTAL resistance to Hercules blows). Just because later writers may have sloppily handled KC Superman in later appearances, does NOT mean that the intent of KC Superman was invalidated. As an example, during the 1970's run of "All Star Comics", Earth-2 Superman's (Kal-L) powers, had been reduced from him being able to fly, to once again, having him "leaping" the 1/8 of a mile, but by the time we get to "Crisis on Infinite Earths", he's "power boosted" enough to able to knockout the (then) "Mainline" Superman with one punch ("Crisis on Infinite Earths" Number 12). So, "power inconsistencies" are a comics staple, such as the writers appearing to forget that ALL Supermen have some type of "super speed", but always slows down their reactions and fights to speeds that are slower than the HUMAN Batman (Such as Batman somehow being magically able to dodge Darkseid's Omega Beams, while Superman gets hit by them)
@@Wessel-p8b Sorry, but the HUMAN body has limitations, so there's NO WAY that Batman would be able to do what he's done even with TEN LIFETIMES of training, especially against SUPER powered beings, and DC Comics USED to know that. I suggest that YOU do some research on the "Boxer Rebellion" or the fall of the "Shaolin Temple" to see what REALLY happens when people think that they can "train around" certain HUMAN limitations.
What do you think was the author's intent on showing KC Superman being able to hear Hercules' fight with Gog when Main Supes couldn't? And overall his fight with Hercules. That KC Superman has developed some abilities such as invulnerability and senses better than main Superman?
I think that maybe the author's intent could've been to show KC Superman as stronger, but it's hard to say with the way it's shown + the rest of DC lore. If anything, his better performance (fight wise) could be due to his more brutal nature, while main Supes is more known for holding back, as well as generally varying depending on things like mindset. KC Superman having certain better senses is fine, but I don't think it has much impact on the topic of the video. I wouldn't go as far as to say all of KC's senses are better, though, as main Clark has developed 4-D vision and seen infinite distances, so it's probably something that should be looked at on a case-by-case basis.
Trying to make sense of nonsense is a mathematical impossibility. Making a semi-consistent world requires discipline, intelligence dedication, and humility. Writers just want to tell a history using and not respecting other's work. In this day and age, it includes being PC. So nothing to see.
Damn, PC Superman is really him.
I like kingdom come Superman I’ve cosplayed as him at a convention
@@jacensolo241 👍👍👍❤️❤️
Of course he's stronger than post-crisis and post rebirth as well. He's almost their with Pre-crisis Earth-One Superman and Superboy-prime. Kingdom come superman looks cool, he's older still stronger,he's immune to kryptonite, he's absorbed more sunlight than post-crisis superman or even modern alternate superman.
No he isn't current Superman would mop the floor with kingdom come superman
As he has way better feats and portrayal as well he is literally the center of the dc multiverse
@@godslayer8894 that's highly unlikely. Modern prime earth superman is less experienced wouldn't mop the floor with kingdom come superman nor any older version of superman from the previous Pre-crisis post crisis nor post infinite crisis multiverse. Remember few years ago he died from having a kryptonite therapy and had post crisis superman 1986to 2011 from convergence replaced him. Only reason he was resurrected was he was combined with post crisis superman to make superman reborn. He would of stayed dead if it wasn't for him. We have our own likes and dislikes.
@@mercuryman1250 that doesn't mean anything as they are set in two separate universes it isn't even remotely comparable especially when you bring feats into the conversation current superman is quite literally stronger than most variations of superman post crisis and current superman are one in the same
KC Superman's fit betta tho
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Peak🗣 I like kingdom come superman
I like kingdom come Superman too. I’ve cosplayed as him at a convention
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Since no one has given you a recommendation under this comment I will pull one up you talked about back with your FMA vid, scaling Edward Elric.
Any combination of Supergirl vs. Wonder Woman vs. Power Girl.
Okay then, how about this?
*Flash vs. Sonic - Equal Stats*
@@porobotboyxxx flash stomps lol. Sonic is overrated fodder.
@@FahimusAlimusStill, I would like to see a versus video between, with them having equal stats and having to rely on skill and experience to see who would win in a fight. People always talk about how skilled Sonic is as a fighter all because he beat Emerl that pull that he’s the only fighter between him and the Flash. Despite the fact that Flash has been around way longer than Sonic and has a lot of experience fighting without powers, training from the Police Academy, Justice League and the Blackhawk Squadron. Not to mention he straight up states that he can still fight without his powers. How do you underestimate a guy with a near broken arm and broken finger who can dodge an attack and land one on Flashpoint Batman?
I'm a little late but the way I see it is KC Supes is physically more powerful, where Mainline Supes is mentally stronger. A younger superman still has all the mental barriers while KC has less BUT.
One of the biggest factors is him losing Lois, Having his friends die, losing faith and thinking that he failed, I think that after him and Wonder Woman get together he starts to eventually Forgive himself and move on, Allowing him to not hold back so much and have a reason to fight again????
Very good video, a lot of research must have went into this.👍
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed.
About a year and a half of researching and discussion, to be exact.
Long story short, No. Skip to the next video
Even if he is weak he can still hold his own against maybe superboy and Superman and pworr girl earth 2
First of all love the video can't wait to see more of your of work 🤩🤩🤩
Second I would like to say since you talk about the other kryptonians AKA power girl and Superboy is there any chance you could do more videos but those characters either with a matchup or how strong is character?
Sorry for the big question I just love those two😅
Thanks a ton and no worries, I don't mind video recommendations in the slightest! At the moment I don't have any plans for a video on either of those two, but I like Superboy and Power Girl as well, so I definitely may make a video going into more of their scaling in the future.
@@e2b514 thank you for answering my question and I understand, either way you're going to make a lot of entertaining videos anyway even if you do or do not make a power girl and Superboy video, I can't wait for more of your work
It is the best video I ever see for someone with under 1k subscribers. I believe that statement in a short period will be false
Thanks man, I deeply appreciate the support.
First off, I'm not joining the discord because power scalers can be really toxic and I'm not going to argue with people who throw around personal insults over fictional characters.
Secondly, I have many issues with this video.
The scan you show for Superman getting hit "off-guard" have no implications of him having nerfed durability. Therefore, regardless of whether or not you want it to be an outlier for Hercules, it still grants him AP that can stagger Post-Crisis Superman. If Hercules is weaker than an infant Wonder Woman who as an adult can be choked out by Cheetah in the recent Wonder Woman #10 (who should not be any weaker than post-crisis Wonder Woman in my knowledge), and who also gets bitch slapped by Superman in Superman #211, then there is no way he's staggering Superman...but he did. The same argument could be made for the young Superboy, who was KO'd by Kingdom Come Superman in one punch.
About Power Girl, the only implication that she was holding back against KC Supes was based on assumptions, even though there was no dialogue to confirm that.
You also claimed that the JSA isn't that powerful, which just isn't true. Hawkman alone has staggered post-crisis Clark in Public Enemies. Alan Scott is made up completely by the Starheart. He has fought the JSA AND Justice League at once using just his constructs. He has held his own against Mordru, who can destroy galaxies and has beaten Doctor Fate. He has also taken on Ultra Humanite who at the time was wielding the power of a 5th dimensional imp. Finally, he restrained Gog for a while during the fight you mentioned. Kingdom Come Superman overpowered him too. I got the scans from Quora but YT doesn't allow links on here, so just look it up.
The JSA issues were written by Geoff Johns, whereas Convergence was written by Jeff King, Scott Lobdell and Dan Jurgens. Writers don't usually pay too much attention to inverse scaling (for example, Batman has staggered Solomon Grundy who has fought the JSA, Batman also drew blood from Hawkman, who as I mentioned previously staggered Superman, also my points about Wonder Woman) so although Kingdom Come Superman lost that fight, he has one-shot Post-Crisis Clark before. A younger version of Kingdom Come Superman drew blood from the new canon Superman with one punch in World's Finest #21.
Kingdom Come Superman has absorbed more solar radiation which is confirmed to be an amp for Superman. So narratively, despite all of your assumptions and inverse scaling based on fights against ONE CHARACTER (Gog), Kingdom Come Superman should be stronger.
Finally, Kingdom Come itself will always be canon over his other appearances, similar to how the DCAU has its own comic-designated earth number which isn't canon to the shows. The Kingdom has inconsistencies with Kingdom Come, such as Clark and Diana's child being a boy rather than a girl. But even so, this video is missing a lot.
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Facts
Bro got mad 😭
It could boil down to bad characterization and writing. Isn't the reasoning that an older Superman would be more powerful or stronger?
It interesting that you dismiss feats from KC Superman that YOU deem to not be "relevant". The "Thy Kingdom Come" Superman was CLEARLY shown to be more powerful than "Mainline" Superman (Mostly unaffected by Kryptonite, Greater Hearing, TOTAL resistance to Hercules blows). Just because later writers may have sloppily handled KC Superman in later appearances, does NOT mean that the intent of KC Superman was invalidated. As an example, during the 1970's run of "All Star Comics", Earth-2 Superman's (Kal-L) powers, had been reduced from him being able to fly, to once again, having him "leaping" the 1/8 of a mile, but by the time we get to "Crisis on Infinite Earths", he's "power boosted" enough to able to knockout the (then) "Mainline" Superman with one punch ("Crisis on Infinite Earths" Number 12). So, "power inconsistencies" are a comics staple, such as the writers appearing to forget that ALL Supermen have some type of "super speed", but always slows down their reactions and fights to speeds that are slower than the HUMAN Batman (Such as Batman somehow being magically able to dodge Darkseid's Omega Beams, while Superman gets hit by them)
Facts.
He's weak. It is shown
@@Wessel-p8b shown where?
@@Wessel-p8b Sorry, but the HUMAN body has limitations, so there's NO WAY that Batman would be able to do what he's done even with TEN LIFETIMES of training, especially against SUPER powered beings, and DC Comics USED to know that.
I suggest that YOU do some research on the "Boxer Rebellion" or the fall of the "Shaolin Temple" to see what REALLY happens when people think that they can "train around" certain HUMAN limitations.
Facts ☝️☝️☝️☝️
Your best video yet fr! Can’t wait to see what your cookin
Aye thanks man, I'm in the kitchen for the next video already.
The silver age Superman was the most powerful superhero. He’s so strong that he can move planets of of orbit . Also can time travel .
Current superman is even stronger now a days with knocking out the world forger and even stating that time weight and distance have no meaning too him
Is Christopher Reeves Superman mainline or Kingdom come?
Mainline Superman, his films came out before Kingdom Come ever came out.
@@e2b514 would he be considered Earth 1 Superman?
What do you think was the author's intent on showing KC Superman being able to hear Hercules' fight with Gog when Main Supes couldn't? And overall his fight with Hercules. That KC Superman has developed some abilities such as invulnerability and senses better than main Superman?
I think that maybe the author's intent could've been to show KC Superman as stronger, but it's hard to say with the way it's shown + the rest of DC lore. If anything, his better performance (fight wise) could be due to his more brutal nature, while main Supes is more known for holding back, as well as generally varying depending on things like mindset.
KC Superman having certain better senses is fine, but I don't think it has much impact on the topic of the video. I wouldn't go as far as to say all of KC's senses are better, though, as main Clark has developed 4-D vision and seen infinite distances, so it's probably something that should be looked at on a case-by-case basis.
Trying to make sense of nonsense is a mathematical impossibility. Making a semi-consistent world requires discipline, intelligence dedication, and humility. Writers just want to tell a history using and not respecting other's work. In this day and age, it includes being PC. So nothing to see.
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Jay Garrick destroys Superman lol.
Absolutely not
@@koru_op3354 yeah absolutely.
@@FahimusAlimus how so? Elaborate