I love how much clive develops as a character. From an innocent boy to a traumatized and depressed adult to then accepting what happened and moving on from it and becoming a wise and kind man.
Clive was always a kind man. It's why even 13 years later old subjects are so happy to see him still alive. The Archduke and Clive both were basically carrying the morale of Rosario on their backs whilst Clive's mom was rotting the kingdom.
@@Foogi9000 He didn't lose it, he was never in a position to employ it. He was enslaved to the Empire for 13 years and used as apart of an assassin hit squad the entire time. He speaks on if you so much looked up from your feet as a Bearer you would get killed in the Empire. If you were just aquiantent with a slave who deserted, you'd die for it even if you didn't help them run away. Once he got away from the Empire's yoke, his kindness started to show through almost immediately, albeit with a gruff exterior. What changed from this scene is his rage and hatred. It softened him. He was far less jaded with a chip on his shoulder, less prone to impatience, but his kindness was always present.
@@RazielTheUnborn He was literally schizo before. The traumatic experience of killing his own brother, led to him creating and living a lie, that he didn't kill Joshua but a "second eikon of fire" did. It's very Jungian in psychology. Basically in this scene he accepts his "evilness" or at least part of himself that is evil, and moves forward with his life as a flawed individual who killed his brother. It's what Jung calls accepting your shadow.
Coupled with the INCREDIBLE facial animations for all the characters. It's amazing, I love final fantasy and kingdom hearts, but let's be real, the characters always sounded so bland and/or the dialogue was poorly translated. I was not ready for this to be such a cinematic masterpiece and for the dialogue to be so well written / voice actors to actually have so much passion.
Right? Something that also strikes me is how well-directed the cutscenes are. The camera techniques, timing of cuts and all... It truly has a cinematic feel to it in such a grand scale.
@@KriminalKat or when he finishes lost titan and he says something right when he throws his tentacle thing at him then goes to punch it and says “ and this game. Is OVER! “ chills bro. Clive in this game has INSANE lines
That's the entire point of Clive as a character. He's dark, he's flawed, he's suffered trauma. He's older. Yoshi P is speaking to many 30+ year old men here. Telling that no matter your darkness you can move forward.
It's at the core of the Dark Knight job in Final Fantasy. Seeing the evil within, accepting it, embracing the Darkness, and weilding it as a weapon for good. It is not a coincidence that this boss is named as a Shadow.
I still don't really understand why Clive killed Joshua? Obviously their relationship is very good, Clive doesn't seem to has a problem with Joshua, like he is secretly jealous with Joshua, or something like that. It doesn't make sense to say that this fight is about getting rid of Clive's evil mind, because he doesn't has an evil mind, at least according to what's shown in the game. If so, he really is being controlled by someone, and the "Ifrit" that fought him represents this controller, right?
@@chuyenvegame388 Haven't played entire game yet but basically dominants who don't learn to control their eikons, it's possible the Eikon power controls them. Ifrit awakened that night in Clive and led him to kill Phoenix. Same thing happened with Benedikta when she lost control of Garuda and nearly wiped out an entire region.
@@chuyenvegame388 They make a distinction in the game with the eye color of the Eikons: Blue means the Dominant is in control; Yellow-Orange means they are not. If they are not in control, the Eikon is little more than a beast. A Kaiju rampaging through Tokyo, destroying anything and everything in its path. It's less that Clive killed Joshua, more that Clive lost control, and in his blind rage, he lashed out and destroyed any threat he saw. It just so happened that he saw Phoenix as a threat.
Jesus is the only way to heaven Being a good person won’t get you there. “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 ESV Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9 ESV “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:3 ESV)(
Jesus is the only way to heaven Being a good person won’t get you there. “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 ESV Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9 ESV “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:3 ESV)(
"Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit; I am." that line coupled with the music swelling as Clive transforms gives me goosebumps lmao. I've re-watched that part alone probably like 20 times. 😂
You can hear the sadness in his voice when he said it, accepting he's the one killing his own brother. Ben Starr deserve best voice acting award for this.
When that popped up on my screen with the knowledge I am gaining the Semi-Prime form, I ittered an audible, "Oh fuck..." and I had to sit and contemplate the game for a moment. This game hits a very personal cord with me, I can empathize with Clive more than most, and more than I wish.
I'll just come out and say that was probably one of my favorite boss battles in the entire Final Fantasy franchise. Facing the truth, and your literal inner demon, and doing it all set to an awesome soundtrack.
I agree completely. For me, this was the peak of 16 after playing through the entire thing. It felt momentous. And while you can argue what really was happening here, if it was Ultima, i like it best as a visualization of the mental struggle Clive was facing.
I like the subtle detail of Clive’s eyes when he transforms. The first two times he becomes Ifrit, his eyes are yellow to show he’s a mindless beast in that form. After he confronts and accepts his past, his Ifrit eyes become blue to show he has full control.
It's even implied that the first two times Ifrit was called upon (the first time was thirteen years ago at Phoenix Gate, the second was thirteen years after the fall against Garuda), we see him as a ruthless, lumbering demon. However, as Clive calls upon his Eikon the more it's needed, he has better movement and control. So not only does it show the blue eyes coming back to form, it also implies that he is becoming one with Ifrit, learning how to summon it at will.
My favorite part about the early game and this moment in particular, is that even though all this metaphysical stuff is happening where Clive is literally seeing the truth and fighting himself, there was no magical fuckery behind his denial. It was completely psychological and he had just been running from the truth he knew in the back of his mind for all those years.
On replay, to me it seems like Clive always knew deep down but didn’t want to accept it. He said it himself that accepting itself would ruin what little of himself he had so he held onto a fantasy.
No matter how bitter the truth awaits me I will press on This quote is very impactful to not just the character but to us as well. As for us no matter how much pain and suffering we go through every day. We will have to move on forward and accept the truth. I never had something hit me this hard in a long time. And tbh this game is literally helping me with my mental state as I press on forward. Love this game and this will be my game of the year
This line also impacts how we see the world: _Still_ you deny it, even when the truth's staring right at you. We may have all committed some wrongdoings and the future may be a scary thing, but we still press forward and accept the consequences. The truth is always bitter and many people decide to hide themselves behind lies so they feel whole, but just looking in the mirror makes the truth feel so demoralizing. To forgive yourself is to accept who you really are and make amends with the crimes you've committed. It's not an easy thing to do, but we all must do it eventually. There can be no truth without a lie, and there can be no purpose without a motive.
Just played this part earlier tonight and had the stupidest grin on my face the entire time, one of the most amazing boss fights I've ever seen. The cinematography, the emotional weight, the epic music...this could've been the final boss battle of any other game, the fact that this is just an early boss fight in this one is wild to me!
I've seen so many people share this sentiment about almost every major story boss and the fact that after all this the final boss doesn't disappoint just makes this game of the year for me personally. Sure there are bigger and fuller games with more in depth combat and physics but the raw rule of cool that permeates this entire game- it doesn't hold a single thing back and I love it for that.
I agree completely. Definitely nice to see the continued depth of meaning woven into it, too. It's flashy, fun, and a fantastic way to make the player love limitbreaking on top of everything else. Bro reached the acceptance phase of grief. And you could feel that happen here. He accepts what he did.
The beauty of this is crazy. So much to unpack actually in a merely few minutes of cutscenes in total. "Come, Ifrit! Show me who you truly are" By saying that simple sentence he still didn't acknowledge the truth even though he's fully aware of it! Aware- but not accepting! As so as the fight continues- Ifrit showed him indeed what he truly is; Clive himself. For Clive to mutter out the sentence: "Still you deny it, even when the truth's staring right at you." It wasn't up until even after that fight where his younger self and his older self both come to terms to what he truly is....Ifrit. The one who killed Joshua. The first time I played through this, I wasn't very much aware HOW much is actually happening. Why is the fight continuing despite Clive already having accepted the truth prior? Why is his younger self coming in and disappearing AGAIN even though he's already accepted it? All because of symbolism. For Clive throughout the entire fight didn't accept it fully. But pressed on forevermore despite how hard it is to accept that he indeed is Ifrit. Love this game.
With Clive's new fit and that final pose just before the quest is completed, fully solidified Clives as my favorite ff protagonist. Dude, a full-on menace.
CC2 was working on FF7 Remake for a while before the game shifted to in house development. Maybe in spite of not wanting to work on them, Square Enix saw what CC2 were cooking and decided to go along with it for thier AAA development. FF7 Remake still uses a lot of the animations from cc2's work on the game, as the animator of Roche from CC2 talked about him.
@Karasuza_soraDevelopers learn from other games all the time. The whole western theme and darker tone of Final Fantasy XVI itself is learned from other Western style RPGs. How many good games learned from God of War, Devil May Cry, Diablo, so on and so forth?
this scene is one of the best in the game, the story has a lot of issues in my opinion but this scene is just perfect, clive's VA was amazing, he portrayed clive's feelings so well in all those emotional scenes
This is one of those fights that will always stick in my mind just because of how it is more about the story told than the actual gameplay, while still being great in gameplay
@@omarelmiit’s actually the leitmotif for the Phoenix’s theme. It’s specific to Joshua only. I don’t know the name of it exactly, but the opening sequence plays it as well.
The way the Phoenix's theme is either stripped down or amped up during pivotal moments of the game really solidified this game's highs for me. Soken and his team did an amazing job.
11:32 This attack from the infernal shadow gave me goosebumps. this game looks amazing. And I love that some of Ifrit's attacks look similar to his ffxiv attacks.
As I played this boss fight I finally got the will to end one of poems I was writing a while ago. At the end of the writing it, I thought it is fitting well to Clive at this exact moment. Here it is: Once I stood in fear's cold clasp, A specter of doom in its deadly grasp. A fate of ashes, a destiny so bleak, In the shadow's heart, I dared not speak. Yet, in the abyss, a glimmer did shine, A beacon of hope, a divine sign. A chance emerged from the spectral glow, A path to tread, a way to go. I seized the moment, embraced the light, Summoned my courage, prepared to fight. The tables turned, the game anew, My strength reborn, my spirit grew. The foe who sought to claim my form, To reduce me to ashes, to the norm, Met his end in the light's bright flash, Turned to ashes in a single clash. So, I stand here, not as ashes, but as flame, A victor in this perilous game. In the face of fear, I found my worth, A phoenix rising from the earth. It may not be 100% fitting, cause that was not intended at first, but I think that at the end it fits damn well good.
at the 3:00 min mark that's when I started tearing up for real, the music, the image of Joshua as Clive remembers him in their last moments together all those years ago, the flames and Ben Starr's amazing voice!!
This is literally some Persona 4 type beat and I love it. Facing against a part of yourself that you don't want to believe, and then physically duking it out with a shadow version of yourself, leading to acceptance and gaining newfound power because of it.
Absolutely stunned by the depth of emotion that this game is able to access. We all have to face ourselves in order to accept the truth of who we are, no matter how much we deny it. We have to forgive and accept ourselves first, then we can grow into who we are supposed to be.
8:49 I AM A SHADOW THE TRUTH SELF 9:07 ~CAUSE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS COME AND GONE~ ~I'LL BE THE ONE TO CARRY ON~ ~AND YOU CAN THROW ME TO THE WOLVES~ ~CAUSE I'M UNDEFEATABLE~
Would have been cool if "Limit Break" lets you pick a Dominant, then that element becomes your limit break and changes ALL your Eikon moves to something similar, but with the currently chosen Eikon's element. Allowing for a much broader moveset (and using the abilities the boss used here, like Hellfire, Hammer and Anvil, etc.)
He already knew the truth, that he killed Joshua, he just couldn’t accept it. He finally accepts what he did and tries to atone, to redeem himself He found out he was Ifrit while fighting Garuda
@@tiagoalves2056 yeah, I know that now. It’s explained later how he survived I’m getting pretty far in the game now. It took a long time to figure why Ifrit attacked Phoenix, but it’s starting to make perfect sense
@@tiagoalves2056 It's funny cause the player actually knows he survived by this point in the game. Unless they're really bad at remembering faces and putting information together, I guess. Also this wasn't directed at you personally and I dunno why you took it that way.
I was doing pretty bad agaisnt him and was down to no potions......then the find the flame theme plays, first time I ever managed to dodge all his attacks and finish him. Bloody awesome game.
Legit gave me goosebumps about Clive's internal struggles here. Reminded me what I wanted to do with my character in FFXIV, similar "I'm a monster" speech she would do. This was almost exactly what I imagined her accepting the truth about her. Badass, redemption and full of kickass music.
This fight had me on verge of tears due to how epic it was from beginning to end. Incredible, masterpiece fight, I had chills throughout. If the game keeps it up, it has no choice but to be one of the grestest experiences in gaming.
I am so glad to see people appreciating the impact the music alone makes on this scene! Absolutely brilliant work by the team putting together this soundtrack.
Then for him to finally accept it, truly accept it, "Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit. I am." To have your inner power, your inner most self strip away every last excuse you had to not fully embrace the truth, to accept what you are, that is quite a rare and vulnerable feeling. This fight captured it perfectly.
I think from all the players who played this fight, i think i got the best experience. When he said "You are not Ifrit, i am" and then transforms, the chorus that starts at 15:46, it started at 15:40 the moment it shows Clive's Ifrit face and i thought it was scripted so i came to experience it again lol.
@@trademarcguy2800 Why the fk you get trigger from what i said? Unless you are one of those people who just write mean comments just to get a reaction. Either way thats dumb lol
Combat Tip: when enemies hit 50% stagger gauge and you hear that PING, use Garuda’s Deadly Embrace to gain 4-5 secs of extra damage, usually paired with Gouge to drop the rest of the bar faster.
@@linkthemastah29 I haven't noticed a difference staggerwise, but I also swapped out Gouge for Rook's Gambit If I had to guess from memory alone, Wicked Wheel probably does more immediate Stagger damage while Gouge does more gradual Stagger damage since it can keep going longer
Just finished this fight and good lord it had me smiling like a damn kid the whole way through. The scale, the message behind it, the visuals, the MUSIC. Absolutely quality moment.
Now, What do we have here? Inner-Fight (Like Cecil in FF4) Self-acceptance of own Mistakes One of the most beatiful and Iconic Eikon in all FF saga that we can fully control Epic Moment, that can be added to History of franchise A splendid combat evolution Does anyone still think this isn't Final Fantasy? BTW THAT F"""""G OST!!!😍
Best holy fucking character developed in whole Final fantasy series. My god how cant you not love this MC. I come to replay the gameplay and stay for the amazing orchestra soundtrack.
I dunno. I think Cloud had an unironically MUCH better self realization arc than Clive that went through the whole game and not just the first 10 hours. I like him, but why we call Cloud an edgelord when Clive is an even bigger sadboy?
@@juliogomesdesouza9035 Because Clive went through worse shit and struggled endlessly for over 13 years. Then overcame his trauma and desire for revenge to help others. Cloud pushed all of his friends away for two years over Aerith’s death and became kind of a dick to everyone. It wasn’t until Sephiroth’s return and Aerith’s spirit telling him it wasn’t his fault for him to stop being mopey. Don’t get me wrong, I love Cloud and he has very humanistic flaws, but Clive simply endured way worse and came out a better man when all was said and done. That being said, Cloud will probably get better with the Remake. I don’t think Advent Children is considered canon anymore in the new timeline. Plus Remake’s Cloud thus far has been more engaging and fun than his original counterpart
It’s like they took the scene from when Cecil becomes a paladin in Final Fantasy 4, and maximized to 1000. Both Cecil and Clive had to fight their inner demons, and come out as the bigger person in the end. I fucking love this series man.
You joke but that is literally what's happening here. Jungian psychology doesn't belong to just Persona. Ifirit is Clive's Persona (or the correct term Shadow)
Just played this yesterday, fucking hell, it's so damn good. I mean ofc it is nothing entirely new (Asura's Wrath, Devil May Cry etc). But paired with the typical FF atmosphere, great graphics and a utterly intriguing story and characters it just feels absolutely on point. Well done SquareEnix!
I love how clive gets limit breaker by accepting the "truth" to himself, while Ultima in final battle reveals his limit breaker by denying the Truth about himself
We have the lyrics for Find the Flame now: Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper Delve, delve, delve, delve, deeper Weep, weep, weep, weep, weeper (Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper Wake, wake, wake, wake, sleeper Reap, reap, reap, reap, reaper) Raise thy lantern, pioneer Shine upon the far frontier Fingers cracked and body broken Mind adaze yet soul awoken Diving into the...mire! Laid out upon the...pyre! Never this soul shall...tire! Running into the...fire! Your bleary bloodshot eyes open wide in the dawn Let the light in and brighten the shades that sleep inside you Find the flame, the flame, the flame Find the flame, the flame, the flame Let its light blind you Delve in this dark abyss. Fathomless emptiness, Till the kiss of fire enfolds you!
Still one of the best moments in FF XVI and probably in all of Final Fantasy history. A man responsible for a horrific act coming to terms with himself and learning to move forward and become better. And of course, Masayoshi Soken’s phenomenal music composition. This track would be the final boss track of any other game and in XVI, it’s only at one of the game’s early story moments. Just wild.
Just played this fight. What an incredible sequence. Clive feeling guilt for all these years and chasing shadows when it was him all along. His fears came to haunt him and teach him a lesson. He learned the truth, fought aganist his insecurity, and embraced his power. Even when he embraced it, I feel like it was telling him “no you must not falter anymore Clive you have a bigger purpose to fulfill”. You are ifrit. You have to carry on! For this to happen when it did an be such an incredible boss fight let me know we have much more in the tank to see. Clive going through those levels of grief was everything I needed early game and it gave me that. The music for the shadow Clive was so emotional. So many goosebumps and without a doubt one of the best final fantasy fights in the franchise.
Just completed the Ifrit boss fight and it had me in tears the whole time. I never experienced anything like that before from playing a game. Final fantasy 16 has to win game of the lifetime for that. I’m not even done w/ the game yet.
I love how much clive develops as a character. From an innocent boy to a traumatized and depressed adult to then accepting what happened and moving on from it and becoming a wise and kind man.
Clive was always a kind man. It's why even 13 years later old subjects are so happy to see him still alive. The Archduke and Clive both were basically carrying the morale of Rosario on their backs whilst Clive's mom was rotting the kingdom.
@@RazielTheUnborn Yes but after the events of Phoenix Gate he lost that. It's only in acceptance that he truly became that person again.
@@Foogi9000 He didn't lose it, he was never in a position to employ it. He was enslaved to the Empire for 13 years and used as apart of an assassin hit squad the entire time. He speaks on if you so much looked up from your feet as a Bearer you would get killed in the Empire. If you were just aquiantent with a slave who deserted, you'd die for it even if you didn't help them run away.
Once he got away from the Empire's yoke, his kindness started to show through almost immediately, albeit with a gruff exterior.
What changed from this scene is his rage and hatred. It softened him. He was far less jaded with a chip on his shoulder, less prone to impatience, but his kindness was always present.
Clive's story will resonate with many men in their 30s...I know Yoshi-P wanted to discuss these themes with his audience.
@@RazielTheUnborn He was literally schizo before. The traumatic experience of killing his own brother, led to him creating and living a lie, that he didn't kill Joshua but a "second eikon of fire" did. It's very Jungian in psychology. Basically in this scene he accepts his "evilness" or at least part of himself that is evil, and moves forward with his life as a flawed individual who killed his brother. It's what Jung calls accepting your shadow.
Clive's VA is so good, man. He manages to put so much emotion in his voice, it's unbelievable.
Coupled with the INCREDIBLE facial animations for all the characters.
It's amazing, I love final fantasy and kingdom hearts, but let's be real, the characters always sounded so bland and/or the dialogue was poorly translated.
I was not ready for this to be such a cinematic masterpiece and for the dialogue to be so well written / voice actors to actually have so much passion.
Right? Something that also strikes me is how well-directed the cutscenes are. The camera techniques, timing of cuts and all... It truly has a cinematic feel to it in such a grand scale.
That's Ben Starr for ya
True, Ben Starr was amazing, the entire cast of this game was out of this world
He also give off the vibe of "strong enough to be gentle".
"You are not Ifrit. I am."
That line was probably my favorite one throughout this entire game.
That or when he's trying to prime into Ifrit later in the game and he tells himself to "Find your flame"
@@KriminalKat or when he finishes lost titan and he says something right when he throws his tentacle thing at him then goes to punch it and says “ and this game. Is OVER! “ chills bro. Clive in this game has INSANE lines
So damn badass.
It was so god damn good, yes man.
It's awesome aye but " my flames may flicker, but they shall never die" is my personal favorite
They took the "fight your inner demons" really personal here and i loved every damn second of it
That's the entire point of Clive as a character.
He's dark, he's flawed, he's suffered trauma. He's older.
Yoshi P is speaking to many 30+ year old men here. Telling that no matter your darkness you can move forward.
It's at the core of the Dark Knight job in Final Fantasy. Seeing the evil within, accepting it, embracing the Darkness, and weilding it as a weapon for good.
It is not a coincidence that this boss is named as a Shadow.
I still don't really understand why Clive killed Joshua? Obviously their relationship is very good, Clive doesn't seem to has a problem with Joshua, like he is secretly jealous with Joshua, or something like that. It doesn't make sense to say that this fight is about getting rid of Clive's evil mind, because he doesn't has an evil mind, at least according to what's shown in the game. If so, he really is being controlled by someone, and the "Ifrit" that fought him represents this controller, right?
@@chuyenvegame388 Haven't played entire game yet but basically dominants who don't learn to control their eikons, it's possible the Eikon power controls them. Ifrit awakened that night in Clive and led him to kill Phoenix. Same thing happened with Benedikta when she lost control of Garuda and nearly wiped out an entire region.
@@chuyenvegame388 They make a distinction in the game with the eye color of the Eikons: Blue means the Dominant is in control; Yellow-Orange means they are not. If they are not in control, the Eikon is little more than a beast. A Kaiju rampaging through Tokyo, destroying anything and everything in its path.
It's less that Clive killed Joshua, more that Clive lost control, and in his blind rage, he lashed out and destroyed any threat he saw. It just so happened that he saw Phoenix as a threat.
This is it. This is actual peak fiction.
Eikon battles were peak fiction fr
Peak fiction… or shall I say….
Peak FANTASY?
Jesus is the only way to heaven
Being a good person won’t get you there.
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6 ESV
Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
1 John 1:9 ESV
“No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 ESV)(
Jesus is the only way to heaven
Being a good person won’t get you there.
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6 ESV
Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
1 John 1:9 ESV
“No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 ESV)(
@@feetyeet8538 yeah fax
"Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit; I am." that line coupled with the music swelling as Clive transforms gives me goosebumps lmao. I've re-watched that part alone probably like 20 times. 😂
GOOSEBUMPS!!
That's the power of yoshi p and soken together
Same, it was so good.
You can hear the sadness in his voice when he said it, accepting he's the one killing his own brother. Ben Starr deserve best voice acting award for this.
Me too
surprised no ones talking about accepting the truth (L3+R3) that had to be the most tearful moment
Literally fucked me up
That part had me legit chills , goosebumps, and mouth on the floor when it happened and the music kicked in.
That part had me legit chills , goosebumps, and mouth on the floor when it happened and the music kicked in.
It definitely should be up there with "Press F to pay respect"
When that popped up on my screen with the knowledge I am gaining the Semi-Prime form, I ittered an audible, "Oh fuck..." and I had to sit and contemplate the game for a moment.
This game hits a very personal cord with me, I can empathize with Clive more than most, and more than I wish.
wish fighting depression irl would slap half as hard
Right? Someone give me some cool robes and a dreamscape to kick my depression’s ass
@@silversoul5285don't governo UP on trying to stop depresioj
For real
This game actually greatly helped me get through depression. I lost my brother a few years back to suicide so this game means a lot
Hah. Right?
“You are not ifrit. I am.” OH MY GOD HES SO GODDAMN COOL.
I know that reference
Vegeta echoed everyone playing the game at that exact moment
At that moment, we all became Saiyan royalty.
“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain." Exodus 20:7.
14:51 "Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit. I am." with that music, oh man that goes SO hard.
Absolutely crazy boss fight. The way this builds up with the violin cover of Find Your Flame is simply incredible.
So rare for a video game boss to give me such massive chills! Well done, FF16 creators!
Almost every serious fight has been chills honestly xD
Seriously. I just finished this in-game. So insane! What a spectical!
Still 720p cringe and that for a ps5….
@@A_mir0_0oh look, a crybaby
@@A_mir0_0get lost xbox looser go play redfall
I'll just come out and say that was probably one of my favorite boss battles in the entire Final Fantasy franchise. Facing the truth, and your literal inner demon, and doing it all set to an awesome soundtrack.
This part is literally FF4 on steroids and I am totally here for it 👌
Every major boss fight in this game is insane. I've always thought the FF games boss fights were cool but this game is straight up epic
This is hands down my favorite boss fight in gaming history at this point.
I agree completely. For me, this was the peak of 16 after playing through the entire thing. It felt momentous.
And while you can argue what really was happening here, if it was Ultima, i like it best as a visualization of the mental struggle Clive was facing.
@@valkyrion_ex1173 yes, instantly remembered Cecil while playing
I like the subtle detail of Clive’s eyes when he transforms. The first two times he becomes Ifrit, his eyes are yellow to show he’s a mindless beast in that form. After he confronts and accepts his past, his Ifrit eyes become blue to show he has full control.
It's even implied that the first two times Ifrit was called upon (the first time was thirteen years ago at Phoenix Gate, the second was thirteen years after the fall against Garuda), we see him as a ruthless, lumbering demon. However, as Clive calls upon his Eikon the more it's needed, he has better movement and control. So not only does it show the blue eyes coming back to form, it also implies that he is becoming one with Ifrit, learning how to summon it at will.
My favorite part about the early game and this moment in particular, is that even though all this metaphysical stuff is happening where Clive is literally seeing the truth and fighting himself, there was no magical fuckery behind his denial. It was completely psychological and he had just been running from the truth he knew in the back of his mind for all those years.
On replay, to me it seems like Clive always knew deep down but didn’t want to accept it. He said it himself that accepting itself would ruin what little of himself he had so he held onto a fantasy.
@@yeettm8014guess you could say it was his….final fantasy
@@reallysadweeb4454Barret: I already made that joke!
Sephiroth: Don't care
No matter how bitter the truth awaits me I will press on
This quote is very impactful to not just the character but to us as well. As for us no matter how much pain and suffering we go through every day. We will have to move on forward and accept the truth. I never had something hit me this hard in a long time. And tbh this game is literally helping me with my mental state as I press on forward. Love this game and this will be my game of the year
You are right man
@@crisxx3521exactly man we all have to press on and move forward
That line makes alone Carries this game in terms of storyz
This line also impacts how we see the world:
_Still_ you deny it, even when the truth's staring right at you.
We may have all committed some wrongdoings and the future may be a scary thing, but we still press forward and accept the consequences. The truth is always bitter and many people decide to hide themselves behind lies so they feel whole, but just looking in the mirror makes the truth feel so demoralizing. To forgive yourself is to accept who you really are and make amends with the crimes you've committed. It's not an easy thing to do, but we all must do it eventually. There can be no truth without a lie, and there can be no purpose without a motive.
@@roxtechsmost definitely bro
Just played this part earlier tonight and had the stupidest grin on my face the entire time, one of the most amazing boss fights I've ever seen. The cinematography, the emotional weight, the epic music...this could've been the final boss battle of any other game, the fact that this is just an early boss fight in this one is wild to me!
I've seen so many people share this sentiment about almost every major story boss and the fact that after all this the final boss doesn't disappoint just makes this game of the year for me personally. Sure there are bigger and fuller games with more in depth combat and physics but the raw rule of cool that permeates this entire game- it doesn't hold a single thing back and I love it for that.
I agree completely. Definitely nice to see the continued depth of meaning woven into it, too. It's flashy, fun, and a fantastic way to make the player love limitbreaking on top of everything else.
Bro reached the acceptance phase of grief. And you could feel that happen here. He accepts what he did.
The beauty of this is crazy.
So much to unpack actually in a merely few minutes of cutscenes in total.
"Come, Ifrit! Show me who you truly are" By saying that simple sentence he still didn't acknowledge the truth even though he's fully aware of it! Aware- but not accepting!
As so as the fight continues- Ifrit showed him indeed what he truly is; Clive himself.
For Clive to mutter out the sentence: "Still you deny it, even when the truth's staring right at you."
It wasn't up until even after that fight where his younger self and his older self both come to terms to what he truly is....Ifrit. The one who killed Joshua.
The first time I played through this, I wasn't very much aware HOW much is actually happening. Why is the fight continuing despite Clive already having accepted the truth prior? Why is his younger self coming in and disappearing AGAIN even though he's already accepted it? All because of symbolism. For Clive throughout the entire fight didn't accept it fully. But pressed on forevermore despite how hard it is to accept that he indeed is Ifrit.
Love this game.
I know, right? It’s so good!
With Clive's new fit and that final pose just before the quest is completed, fully solidified Clives as my favorite ff protagonist. Dude, a full-on menace.
I actually teared up from this fight. So many chills. This fight was so damn hype and awesome!
Same
Clive obtains Eikon Trigger
🎵Embrace the fire thats within meeee🎵
ALL OF THESE VOICES INSIDE OF MY HEAD
BURY THE FIRE DEEP WITHIIIIIIIN
YOU CAN NOT KILL ME, I AM ULTIMA
Clive: Now I'm Motivated!
Clive surprised me. I thought he was gonna be an edgy, grump, cross armed, asshole but he's actually a serious guy with a kind heart.
One of the best FF MC imo.
I love how much he says thank you
I see that Square has finally accepted the lessons of Asura's Wrath.
@Karasuza_sora you can learn from stuff you didn't make my man
CC2 was working on FF7 Remake for a while before the game shifted to in house development.
Maybe in spite of not wanting to work on them, Square Enix saw what CC2 were cooking and decided to go along with it for thier AAA development. FF7 Remake still uses a lot of the animations from cc2's work on the game, as the animator of Roche from CC2 talked about him.
@Karasuza_soraDevelopers learn from other games all the time. The whole western theme and darker tone of Final Fantasy XVI itself is learned from other Western style RPGs.
How many good games learned from God of War, Devil May Cry, Diablo, so on and so forth?
Asura's Wrath was a hell of a game. One of my all time personal favorites 👍
@Mikoto_TsukuyomiRatioed
this scene is one of the best in the game, the story has a lot of issues in my opinion but this scene is just perfect, clive's VA was amazing, he portrayed clive's feelings so well in all those emotional scenes
One of the best times of my life. I bought the PS5 for this game and I am NOT disappointed!
Clive has gained the facade to overcome life's hardships.
Yeah, I couldn't resist a Persona 4 joke.
This made me laugh more than it should have ty lol
This is one of those fights that will always stick in my mind just because of how it is more about the story told than the actual gameplay, while still being great in gameplay
the theme reallu kicks in when Joshua appears in front of Clive. Fucking chills. Nothing more. What a boss fight
Do you know the name of it?
@@omarelmiit’s actually the leitmotif for the Phoenix’s theme. It’s specific to Joshua only.
I don’t know the name of it exactly, but the opening sequence plays it as well.
The way the Phoenix's theme is either stripped down or amped up during pivotal moments of the game really solidified this game's highs for me. Soken and his team did an amazing job.
@rayoza2607 yeah, I got the ost, but it's in game recorded. Tell me if you guys want it.
@@omarelmiPhoenix theme is Away, Ifrit theme is Find Your Flame.
11:32 This attack from the infernal shadow gave me goosebumps. this game looks amazing. And I love that some of Ifrit's attacks look similar to his ffxiv attacks.
As I played this boss fight I finally got the will to end one of poems I was writing a while ago. At the end of the writing it, I thought it is fitting well to Clive at this exact moment. Here it is:
Once I stood in fear's cold clasp,
A specter of doom in its deadly grasp.
A fate of ashes, a destiny so bleak,
In the shadow's heart, I dared not speak.
Yet, in the abyss, a glimmer did shine,
A beacon of hope, a divine sign.
A chance emerged from the spectral glow,
A path to tread, a way to go.
I seized the moment, embraced the light,
Summoned my courage, prepared to fight.
The tables turned, the game anew,
My strength reborn, my spirit grew.
The foe who sought to claim my form,
To reduce me to ashes, to the norm,
Met his end in the light's bright flash,
Turned to ashes in a single clash.
So, I stand here, not as ashes, but as flame,
A victor in this perilous game.
In the face of fear, I found my worth,
A phoenix rising from the earth.
It may not be 100% fitting, cause that was not intended at first, but I think that at the end it fits damn well good.
at the 3:00 min mark that's when I started tearing up for real, the music, the image of Joshua as Clive remembers him in their last moments together all those years ago, the flames and Ben Starr's amazing voice!!
This is literally some Persona 4 type beat and I love it. Facing against a part of yourself that you don't want to believe, and then physically duking it out with a shadow version of yourself, leading to acceptance and gaining newfound power because of it.
Its literally ill face myself
2:21 Clive’s “STOOOOOOOOP” was so heart-wrenching knowing he actually “killed” his own brother.😢
I really like protagonists like this. So strong yet so weak, there is an inner struggle that they have to fight against and develop themselves.
Absolutely stunned by the depth of emotion that this game is able to access. We all have to face ourselves in order to accept the truth of who we are, no matter how much we deny it. We have to forgive and accept ourselves first, then we can grow into who we are supposed to be.
Clive is definitely one of the best final fantasy protagonists ever.
8:49
I AM A SHADOW THE TRUTH SELF
9:07
~CAUSE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS COME AND GONE~
~I'LL BE THE ONE TO CARRY ON~
~AND YOU CAN THROW ME TO THE WOLVES~
~CAUSE I'M UNDEFEATABLE~
Would have been cool if "Limit Break" lets you pick a Dominant, then that element becomes your limit break and changes ALL your Eikon moves to something similar, but with the currently chosen Eikon's element.
Allowing for a much broader moveset (and using the abilities the boss used here, like Hellfire, Hammer and Anvil, etc.)
He already knew the truth, that he killed Joshua, he just couldn’t accept it. He finally accepts what he did and tries to atone, to redeem himself
He found out he was Ifrit while fighting Garuda
Joshua survived though
@@tiagoalves2056 yeah, I know that now. It’s explained later how he survived
I’m getting pretty far in the game now. It took a long time to figure why Ifrit attacked Phoenix, but it’s starting to make perfect sense
@@tiagoalves2056 It's funny cause the player actually knows he survived by this point in the game. Unless they're really bad at remembering faces and putting information together, I guess.
Also this wasn't directed at you personally and I dunno why you took it that way.
@@GrammerPancreas because i watch a playtrough...there is no need to be like that.Peace
This is like taking the Cecil fight against himself in Final Fantasy IV and amping it up to the maximum.
I had the same exact thought going through this the first time. It's very well done.
Imagine a Rated M. FF4 remake.
And the killing rydia's mother and massacre her town scenes.
My thoughts exactly. Whoa what a time to be alive
Yep, remind me to that too
You are not Ifrit. I'am.... goosebumps over 9000!!!
I was doing pretty bad agaisnt him and was down to no potions......then the find the flame theme plays, first time I ever managed to dodge all his attacks and finish him. Bloody awesome game.
13:38 Clive pulls his devil trigger
There is something with Clive's personality that just gets to me, his VA is amazing at what he is doing, and the pure emotions in the character.
Finished the game earlier last week but still find myself watching videos like this. I can't seem to move one from this masterpiece yet.
I love that this 20min inner battle just happens like its no big deal.
15:25!!
You are not Ifrit, I am!
Legit gave me goosebumps about Clive's internal struggles here. Reminded me what I wanted to do with my character in FFXIV, similar "I'm a monster" speech she would do. This was almost exactly what I imagined her accepting the truth about her. Badass, redemption and full of kickass music.
This fight had me on verge of tears due to how epic it was from beginning to end. Incredible, masterpiece fight, I had chills throughout. If the game keeps it up, it has no choice but to be one of the grestest experiences in gaming.
Did you finish the game ? and what do think about it now I am curious
@@wirt_15 it lived up to my original expectations. What did you think?
@@JuliusCaesar103 same here .. man what a game
Casually coming back just to see this masterpiece again and again. Thank you Squareenix and Soken
One of the greatest moments in video game history
*the
I am so glad to see people appreciating the impact the music alone makes on this scene! Absolutely brilliant work by the team putting together this soundtrack.
"I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit.... I am."
15:22 this is STILL gives me goosebumps...the most RAW moment in final fantasy period
I love it when he says “come ifrit show me who you truly are!!”*points his sword at him*this whole bit is legendary 😊
Then for him to finally accept it, truly accept it, "Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit. I am."
To have your inner power, your inner most self strip away every last excuse you had to not fully embrace the truth, to accept what you are, that is quite a rare and vulnerable feeling. This fight captured it perfectly.
you are not ifrit, I am
that sentence still give me a goosebump
I love this moment. Clive finally overcame his demons and controls them to his benefit.
Little dose he know he was alive the whole time right under his nose
When the mc literally battles his inner demons
13:37 F**KING GOOSEBUMPS!
I LOVE this so much.
3:33 Joshua: Remember who you are. You are my brother and the one true archduke."
This was one of the greatest boss fights i ever played
Me too
Was wondering when they were gonna use the theme. Nice. Man. They're really waiting a while until they use the COME TO ME, IFRIT!
Bro faced his true self and awakened his persona
I think from all the players who played this fight, i think i got the best experience.
When he said "You are not Ifrit, i am" and then transforms, the chorus that starts at 15:46, it started at 15:40 the moment it shows Clive's Ifrit face and i thought it was scripted so i came to experience it again lol.
Congratulations do you want a medal?
@@trademarcguy2800 Why the fk you get trigger from what i said?
Unless you are one of those people who just write mean comments just to get a reaction.
Either way thats dumb lol
@@trademarcguy2800 bad day?
Combat Tip: when enemies hit 50% stagger gauge and you hear that PING, use Garuda’s Deadly Embrace to gain 4-5 secs of extra damage, usually paired with Gouge to drop the rest of the bar faster.
Iirc Wicked Wheel does way more stagger damage than Gouge
@@linkthemastah29 I haven't noticed a difference staggerwise, but I also swapped out Gouge for Rook's Gambit
If I had to guess from memory alone, Wicked Wheel probably does more immediate Stagger damage while Gouge does more gradual Stagger damage since it can keep going longer
Just finished this fight and good lord it had me smiling like a damn kid the whole way through. The scale, the message behind it, the visuals, the MUSIC. Absolutely quality moment.
Now, What do we have here?
Inner-Fight (Like Cecil in FF4)
Self-acceptance of own Mistakes
One of the most beatiful and Iconic Eikon in all FF saga that we can fully control
Epic Moment, that can be added to History of franchise
A splendid combat evolution
Does anyone still think this isn't Final Fantasy?
BTW THAT F"""""G OST!!!😍
“Find your flame” never disappoints
Except Clive actually fights his shadow, Cecil can’t
Never had chills like this from a Video Game holy shit
I teared up a bit in this scene, this game is so amazing. Also as per usual, Soken is going Soken Mode with the music!!!
The day Clive realized he was him
This is the most impressive fight ive ever seen. Holy shit i beat him like 30 seconds ago and came here to read comments, holy cow this is godlike
The music that plays when you fight the shadow Clive is crazy good.
“You are not Ifrit, I am.”
Best holy fucking character developed in whole Final fantasy series. My god how cant you not love this MC. I come to replay the gameplay and stay for the amazing orchestra soundtrack.
I dunno. I think Cloud had an unironically MUCH better self realization arc than Clive that went through the whole game and not just the first 10 hours.
I like him, but why we call Cloud an edgelord when Clive is an even bigger sadboy?
@@juliogomesdesouza9035
Because Clive went through worse shit and struggled endlessly for over 13 years. Then overcame his trauma and desire for revenge to help others.
Cloud pushed all of his friends away for two years over Aerith’s death and became kind of a dick to everyone. It wasn’t until Sephiroth’s return and Aerith’s spirit telling him it wasn’t his fault for him to stop being mopey. Don’t get me wrong, I love Cloud and he has very humanistic flaws, but Clive simply endured way worse and came out a better man when all was said and done.
That being said, Cloud will probably get better with the Remake. I don’t think Advent Children is considered canon anymore in the new timeline. Plus Remake’s Cloud thus far has been more engaging and fun than his original counterpart
As someone that hates myself, this really resonated with me.
Don't hate yourself man. Loving yourself is the best thing you could ever do in this life time.
It feels all too real.
One day at a time, one step at a time. We got you bro!
@@memecrider3585I'll make it my goal to love myself better this year
Yes how is it going?@@itsaxel8088
This music for this boss fight was perfect 😍 around 8:47
Such a beautiful transition
Also 10:11
It’s like they took the scene from when Cecil becomes a paladin in Final Fantasy 4, and maximized to 1000. Both Cecil and Clive had to fight their inner demons, and come out as the bigger person in the end. I fucking love this series man.
8:46 i had chills when the music started playing. I love this fight so much!
This fight alone made this game of the year for me and so freaking glad that i can play such a masterpiece of a game.
Played this part last night and was so damn impressed! They absolutely KILLED it with the game. Everything is just perfect. Literally no complaints
8:49 I am a shadow... the true self.
...wait wrong game.
You joke but that is literally what's happening here. Jungian psychology doesn't belong to just Persona. Ifirit is Clive's Persona (or the correct term Shadow)
This was the moment of the game for me. There’s so many amazing fights but this one so far has been my favorite one. This game is amazing
Just played this yesterday, fucking hell, it's so damn good. I mean ofc it is nothing entirely new (Asura's Wrath, Devil May Cry etc). But paired with the typical FF atmosphere, great graphics and a utterly intriguing story and characters it just feels absolutely on point. Well done SquareEnix!
13:27 Best FF MC ever
This guy has always completed all of the new games and uploaded content abt them while I didn’t even had a chance to get my hands on them💀💀
He gets early copies.
@@SoycastGuy but still how does he play them so fast and upload so fast😭😂
@@ImGamingShonenGame is 30hr tops I heard and he probably skipped sidequests
@@gachagamer536 wow nice! Thanks for your info🙏🏽💪🏽
I love how clive gets limit breaker by accepting the "truth" to himself, while Ultima in final battle reveals his limit breaker by denying the Truth about himself
This fight is peak. The fight, the music, the self-actualization. Its only flaw is that nothing else after this fight reacehs its level.
This fight got me a noise complaint in my hotel room I was cheering so much!
13:41 SOKEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! YOU'RE GOING TO BREAK TIME ITSELF WITH THAT MUSIC!!!!!!
Clive’s love for his brother is so pure
We have the lyrics for Find the Flame now:
Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper
Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper
Delve, delve, delve, delve, deeper
Weep, weep, weep, weep, weeper
(Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper
Dig, dig, dig, dig, deeper
Wake, wake, wake, wake, sleeper
Reap, reap, reap, reap, reaper)
Raise thy lantern, pioneer
Shine upon the far frontier
Fingers cracked and body broken
Mind adaze yet soul awoken
Diving into the...mire!
Laid out upon the...pyre!
Never this soul shall...tire!
Running into the...fire!
Your bleary bloodshot eyes open wide in the dawn
Let the light in and brighten the shades that sleep inside you
Find the flame, the flame, the flame
Find the flame, the flame, the flame
Let its light blind you
Delve in this dark abyss.
Fathomless emptiness,
Till the kiss of fire enfolds you!
The music during the second phase is peak, and I can’t be convinced otherwise
Still one of the best moments in FF XVI and probably in all of Final Fantasy history. A man responsible for a horrific act coming to terms with himself and learning to move forward and become better. And of course, Masayoshi Soken’s phenomenal music composition. This track would be the final boss track of any other game and in XVI, it’s only at one of the game’s early story moments. Just wild.
I just played this and was completely blown away!!! This game is incredible
Just played this fight. What an incredible sequence. Clive feeling guilt for all these years and chasing shadows when it was him all along. His fears came to haunt him and teach him a lesson. He learned the truth, fought aganist his insecurity, and embraced his power. Even when he embraced it, I feel like it was telling him “no you must not falter anymore Clive you have a bigger purpose to fulfill”. You are ifrit. You have to carry on!
For this to happen when it did an be such an incredible boss fight let me know we have much more in the tank to see.
Clive going through those levels of grief was everything I needed early game and it gave me that.
The music for the shadow Clive was so emotional. So many goosebumps and without a doubt one of the best final fantasy fights in the franchise.
Clive finally FIND THE FLAME, it is within him all along , He is a Dominant, He is The Flame, He Is IFRIT
13:42 Find the flame 🔥
"Enough. I know the truth of it now. You are not Ifrit, I am."
C H I L L S
Just completed the Ifrit boss fight and it had me in tears the whole time. I never experienced anything like that before from playing a game. Final fantasy 16 has to win game of the lifetime for that. I’m not even done w/ the game yet.
GOTY for me. This moment was absolutely insane.
Soundtrack is insane!