But with informed consent, would medical transition be covered by insurance? Because there's lots of trans people who can't afford to transition without it being covered by insurance
+Lou Harden Medical transition isn't often covered by insurance regardless of status as a mental illness. In Ireland and (as far as I know) the UK, transition can be done for free on the national health service. In other countries (particularly the US) there are definitely trans clinics that do their best to work with the financial situations of their clients, as any health professional should. While the current system is not ideal, and the informed consent model is widely preferred, it is not admittedly without flaws. If informed consent was to be used, it would need to be covered by insurance or by state health services
+jayistransandboring but it wouldn't be covered. I live in America and with a diagnosis, it is covered under Obamacare, which is the insurance people get when they're unemployed or their employers don't offer health insurance. There are some places, such as planned parenthood, that do hormones on informed consent, but it's not covered by insurance. Without the diagnosis, in the eyes of insurance companies, it's just a cosmetic procedure. I think the symptoms and diagnosis criteria need to be changed, but until we can get insurance to cover it without a diagnosis it would be extremely irresponsible and unfair to many lower and middle class trans people to just get rid of it altogether.
Lou Harden this is going to sound salty but america is one country, the majority of insurances dont cover it regardless of status as a mental illness. the american healthcare system is in general kind of banjaxed from what I know as an outsider, and while ireland's is too it covers trans health on the simple basis that it's healthcare, not that it's a mental illness. as i said both systems are fucked up. it is mentally tolling to have to recount my life story and dwell on every depressing trans related moment in my life when i want to get on T, treating transness as a mental illness has also caused a lot of my friends to be denied care on the basis that other mental illness that were wholly unrelated were causing their gender dysphoria. depathologising transness is a process, that includes getting trans health covered as medically necessary without labelling it is a disorder or illness. part of the informed consent plan should absolutely be either reducing the cost of treatments, covering it under insurance, or simply covering it on state healthcare as standard. in the same way that trans-ness isn't going to "unbecome" a mental illness overnight, it also wont become unaccessible overnight either
I had never heard of gender euphoria before, great concept
I agree, it's cool!
But with informed consent, would medical transition be covered by insurance? Because there's lots of trans people who can't afford to transition without it being covered by insurance
+Lou Harden Medical transition isn't often covered by insurance regardless of status as a mental illness. In Ireland and (as far as I know) the UK, transition can be done for free on the national health service. In other countries (particularly the US) there are definitely trans clinics that do their best to work with the financial situations of their clients, as any health professional should. While the current system is not ideal, and the informed consent model is widely preferred, it is not admittedly without flaws. If informed consent was to be used, it would need to be covered by insurance or by state health services
+jayistransandboring but it wouldn't be covered. I live in America and with a diagnosis, it is covered under Obamacare, which is the insurance people get when they're unemployed or their employers don't offer health insurance. There are some places, such as planned parenthood, that do hormones on informed consent, but it's not covered by insurance. Without the diagnosis, in the eyes of insurance companies, it's just a cosmetic procedure. I think the symptoms and diagnosis criteria need to be changed, but until we can get insurance to cover it without a diagnosis it would be extremely irresponsible and unfair to many lower and middle class trans people to just get rid of it altogether.
Lou Harden this is going to sound salty but america is one country, the majority of insurances dont cover it regardless of status as a mental illness. the american healthcare system is in general kind of banjaxed from what I know as an outsider, and while ireland's is too it covers trans health on the simple basis that it's healthcare, not that it's a mental illness. as i said both systems are fucked up. it is mentally tolling to have to recount my life story and dwell on every depressing trans related moment in my life when i want to get on T, treating transness as a mental illness has also caused a lot of my friends to be denied care on the basis that other mental illness that were wholly unrelated were causing their gender dysphoria. depathologising transness is a process, that includes getting trans health covered as medically necessary without labelling it is a disorder or illness. part of the informed consent plan should absolutely be either reducing the cost of treatments, covering it under insurance, or simply covering it on state healthcare as standard. in the same way that trans-ness isn't going to "unbecome" a mental illness overnight, it also wont become unaccessible overnight either