Oh boy, a big hole in the top tube for rain to pour into… an integrated headset so I’m less likely to be able to fix an issue on the roadside, and now I can’t mount my phone or aero bars for another hand position on long rides… Great update canyon… 🙄
The concept of an aero race bike with endurance geometry is great but those marketing terms are just an never ending loophole Thicker tubes: more aero and stiffer Thinner tubes: lighter and more comfort They can literally make any shape and use those terms to justify their decision and claim it’s ‘better than the previous version’ without the consumers having any way of testifying. I guess I’ll patiently ride my 2015 supersix which can fit 28c tyres until the golden age of bicycles return then.
Got the email this morning, immediately ordered the CF SLX Rival. Bit pricey, but it perfectly suits this 62 year old road dog. Yes, a similar gravel would have suited in my long tour bike packing days, but this works for us OMILs upgrading our decade old Bianchi race bikes. Like my hotels, I prefer 5 star comfort now I can finally afford it and I reckon I could get up those hills better on this new steed. Still, no fender mounts and that ugly top bar storage hatch are a miss. Concealed storage is welcome though, even if I won’t be able to get my banana in. It’s very peevy of Canyon to not bundle the tools. Even at my 57 years of owning, loving and riding bikes, this one still excites me.
Canyons’s excuse for no mudguard mounts is really lame. Probably just forgot. And that top tube battery style hatch is plain daft - but few bikes are perfect, except the one you love riding.
I bought it. Love it. I would like mudguard mounts, but there are possibilities to add a mudguard without a mount. Internal storage I don’t care much about. It’s an endurance bike so you probably don’t mind having a saddle bag to store tools.
Will Canyon go to threaded bottom brackets at any point? Hate seeing pressfit on a bike like this. I also am not impressed by the top tube storage. My Domane uses the downtube for storage which allows me to not only have a multi tool attached to the door of the storage but the internal roll can hold CO2, levers, an inflator and a tube. The size of the storage compartment can also allow a small pump if one chooses (I don't) and some additional snacks if need be (I don't as I carry in my jersey). Using the top tube is pretty much a waste IMHO. 2 Reply
I just purchased 9-20-23 the small cf Slx with sram force etap axs. Did a 100 mile ride on it and it rides awesome, the ride from my old bike is way more comfortable, smoother, fast I was surprised how it rides, at 55 yrs old I am more happier and will ride more👏🏻🚴🏻♂️
I have a 2020 Endurace CF which I love. The internal storage in the new model seems to be a bit of a gimmick…I can see myself just filling the bag with jellybeans “for emergency use only”. But I guess the improved aerodynamics can’t hurt and the bike undeniably looks better being cable-free. I think I’d also appreciate a 12-speed cassette because 11-speed has a lot of big jumps from 11-34. Are there any figures published for improvements in frame stiffness and weight? To answer your question, I couldn’t care less about mudguard mounts and I reckon 90% of my club mates would feel the same, even though we live in a country that probably gets even more rain than the UK, namely Ireland. There are lots of mudguard designs now that don’t require mounts.
The top tube bag is to hold food, gels, chews etc. so that you can grab and eat while riding. You can't do that with that tiny integrated storage in the top tube.
Marketed as the fastest endurance aero race bike of all time, but missing out on the option to put on aero/tri-bars. Big fail for ultracycling events like the transcontinental race where this bike could shine. Well Canyon...next please.
7w at 45kph? That’s an embarrassing claim considering they hid the cables and slapped an aeroad handlebar at on it. What did Swiss side actually contribute lol?
@@CarpeDiem13x hey smart guy, start your leaning starts here. At 45kph with a cda of .300, which would be good for an endurance rider, it takes 418w to travel 45kph. If it saves 7w that means they lowered the cda to .294. Hiding the cables is worth 4 watts at that speed. Say the handle bar that they just lifters off the aeroad is 3watts faster. Now we’re at 7, we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say this comparison is with the same wheels on each bike. I also give them the benefit of the doubt that they equalized handlebar width in this test. Tell me what Swiss side did with the rest of the bike to make it faster in the remaining 0 watts? Then it wasn’t even mentioned if this is a bottles on or no bottles condition. You need a better life detector to know when you are being put on. So yes, I could be a bike designer who didn’t happen to be a former aerodynamicist for a back of the pack f1 team (like I should be proud of that) and make the old endurance 7watts faster (if you happen to be putting out over 400, they leave that out don’t they) by hiding exposed cables and stealing a handlebar made for our aero bike.
Mudguard sure (I don't understand the appeal at all, an ass-saver seems to work just fine). The price? No chance, Giant has to support physical retailers. By the time it makes it from the factory, through 3rd party distributors, and then 3rd party retailers. Each stop costs money that gets passed onto the consumer. Canyon is a direct-to-consumer, they own the entire process from factory to doorstep.
It sounds like the CF SLX and CFR Enduraces are more race-focused, whereas the lower tiered versions are more endurance-focused (mounting points, traditional stem/handlebars). This split reminds me of Cervelo's Soloist and Caledonia offerings, with the CF SLX / CFR Endurace similar to the Soloist; it's an attempt to be an all-arounder. I have a 2020 Endurace CF SL 8 (Di2) and really like it. But I did have to swap out the stem, something you can't do if you have an integrated cockpit. I also don't care about aerodynamics; as a triathlete, I have a tri bike for that. I also would have appreciated mounting points for bags and fenders.
there's a huge gap in the range, if you want a simple carbon endurance it's either 2000€ or 3700€, it's nearly double the price.. and I'm worried there isn't going to be an sl version as I think shimano isn't making 105 and ultegra mechanical anymore, if true that's a shame. I was defiantly on the market for an endurance but in the 2700-3000 range
They're still selling the older version which does fill that price point at the moment. Once the product matures more, they'll fill in those price points especially as the older models get sold.
Wow, look at that storage space. I'm sure my multi tool will fit in there 🙄 I'm forever riding at 45kph so it's good news I'll be able save so much effort 😒 Did Canyon even think about who this bike is aimed at?
Are you in the UK by any chance? You guys are obsessed with mudguards :) Despite getting even more rain here in Ireland, the mudguards thing isn’t as big a deal.
I must be missing something, but why can't you just use an ass-saver or something? I lived in the East Coast of the US where it rained all the time too, clip-on ass-saver worked perfectly fine.
@@ynie1 I guess a mudguard aficionado would say that the ass-saver only helps you and doesn’t reduce the amount of water being kicked up by your rear tyre into the face of the person behind you. I don’t live in the UK but, as I understand it, it is primarily in wintertime group rides that mudguards are a thing.
@@Baile_an_Locha it’s considered very poor etiquette to turn up at a club ride on a rainy day without full length mudguards but I can’t imagine that’s just a U.K thing.
That's all good and well but the Domane would be múch more expensive then the Endurace for a similar spec. For that kind of money they can keep their internal storage to be fair...
I do think the Domane is better, but for the SRAM AXS force build, it’s $9700, that’s more than the top spec Endurace. I love the bike, it not at $4k more
Does a tube fit in the internal storage? After all this time, I think they wife’s on the update. I would rather have a domane. Surely top tube bosses and storage in the bigger down tube are better.
I don't think the people who are buying this bike are cross shopping for a Domane. Even though they're in the same bike category, the prices are completely different. If you look at the Domane SLR 7 AXS Gen 4, it's $9700 in the US (also can't believe it comes with an alloy stem for that price). The specs more closely resembles the Endurace CF SLX 8 AXS Aero, which comes in at $5500. If they were the same price, I would 100% take the Domane, but that price difference though.
Marketing baloney...it's less aero not more! An integrated cockpit means it's impossible to dial in the fit vs a non integrated system. Additionally it's more upright hence aero claims are blown out of the water.
OH not another bike for £3500 to £ 9000 with a gimmick yes you can carry a very small bar of chocolate in it hahaha give me a break what i can buy for this money of value this is NOT value in a year some Dentist will be selling his for £ 500 if he is lucky .
One of the issues with the older Canyons is that they tend to be light by reducing the amount of resin used in their carbon. However, this makes it brittle so they break with far less force than many of their competitors (having dealt with two broken 2019 Aeroad frames personally). I suspect one reason the bikes weigh more is to add more strength to the carbon.
Hatch looks horrible, looks like a cheap plastic battery cover for a TV remote control and takes away from a clean design line. Im sure water is likely to get in and no doubt easy to drop it/break it or scratch it. The space isnt much use for anything practical either. Backward step here Canyon.
top tube storage???? WHY?? that makes a ridiculous volume and is a weaker point of failure than downtube which would have been more spatious. i'm guessing there is some patent they didn't want to pay for, but top tube storage is an awful idea. downtube is infinitely better. just give us bolts ontop
DO NOT BUY THIS BIKE. I bought this bike - Endurace CF SLX 8 Di2 Aero, and it arrived with such an ugly paint job. Numbers are visible on the frame, and the bike has so many white spots, as if it wasn't properly painted. I paid €5,258.80 for the bike and got such crap. All Canyon managed to respond is that it's a special color, that it's a unique bike... and so on. I have seen many other bikes with the same color - Stealth - and none of them was in such a condition as this Canyon. Shame. For such money. Think twice! If you want, I can show you pictures. I have a lot of photos.
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Oh boy, a big hole in the top tube for rain to pour into… an integrated headset so I’m less likely to be able to fix an issue on the roadside, and now I can’t mount my phone or aero bars for another hand position on long rides…
Great update canyon… 🙄
The concept of an aero race bike with endurance geometry is great but those marketing terms are just an never ending loophole
Thicker tubes: more aero and stiffer
Thinner tubes: lighter and more comfort
They can literally make any shape and use those terms to justify their decision and claim it’s ‘better than the previous version’ without the consumers having any way of testifying. I guess I’ll patiently ride my 2015 supersix which can fit 28c tyres until the golden age of bicycles return then.
Got the email this morning, immediately ordered the CF SLX Rival. Bit pricey, but it perfectly suits this 62 year old road dog. Yes, a similar gravel would have suited in my long tour bike packing days, but this works for us OMILs upgrading our decade old Bianchi race bikes. Like my hotels, I prefer 5 star comfort now I can finally afford it and I reckon I could get up those hills better on this new steed. Still, no fender mounts and that ugly top bar storage hatch are a miss. Concealed storage is welcome though, even if I won’t be able to get my banana in. It’s very peevy of Canyon to not bundle the tools. Even at my 57 years of owning, loving and riding bikes, this one still excites me.
Canyons’s excuse for no mudguard mounts is really lame. Probably just forgot. And that top tube battery style hatch is plain daft - but few bikes are perfect, except the one you love riding.
I bought it. Love it. I would like mudguard mounts, but there are possibilities to add a mudguard without a mount.
Internal storage I don’t care much about. It’s an endurance bike so you probably don’t mind having a saddle bag to store tools.
Will Canyon go to threaded bottom brackets at any point? Hate seeing pressfit on a bike like this. I also am not impressed by the top tube storage. My Domane uses the downtube for storage which allows me to not only have a multi tool attached to the door of the storage but the internal roll can hold CO2, levers, an inflator and a tube. The size of the storage compartment can also allow a small pump if one chooses (I don't) and some additional snacks if need be (I don't as I carry in my jersey). Using the top tube is pretty much a waste IMHO.
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Looks amazing! I'm more of a Ultimate person but I'd definetly consider this one if I was buying a new bike today :D
I just purchased 9-20-23 the small cf Slx with sram force etap axs. Did a 100 mile ride on it and it rides awesome, the ride from my old bike is way more comfortable, smoother, fast I was surprised how it rides, at 55 yrs old I am more happier and will ride more👏🏻🚴🏻♂️
I have a 2020 Endurace CF which I love. The internal storage in the new model seems to be a bit of a gimmick…I can see myself just filling the bag with jellybeans “for emergency use only”. But I guess the improved aerodynamics can’t hurt and the bike undeniably looks better being cable-free. I think I’d also appreciate a 12-speed cassette because 11-speed has a lot of big jumps from 11-34. Are there any figures published for improvements in frame stiffness and weight?
To answer your question, I couldn’t care less about mudguard mounts and I reckon 90% of my club mates would feel the same, even though we live in a country that probably gets even more rain than the UK, namely Ireland. There are lots of mudguard designs now that don’t require mounts.
The top tube bag is to hold food, gels, chews etc. so that you can grab and eat while riding. You can't do that with that tiny integrated storage in the top tube.
Marketed as the fastest endurance aero race bike of all time, but missing out on the option to put on aero/tri-bars. Big fail for ultracycling events like the transcontinental race where this bike could shine. Well Canyon...next please.
‘Chord’ is a geometry term. You see it used in wing design as well (among other things)
7w at 45kph? That’s an embarrassing claim considering they hid the cables and slapped an aeroad handlebar at on it. What did Swiss side actually contribute lol?
@@CarpeDiem13x hey smart guy, start your leaning starts here. At 45kph with a cda of .300, which would be good for an endurance rider, it takes 418w to travel 45kph. If it saves 7w that means they lowered the cda to .294. Hiding the cables is worth 4 watts at that speed. Say the handle bar that they just lifters off the aeroad is 3watts faster. Now we’re at 7, we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say this comparison is with the same wheels on each bike. I also give them the benefit of the doubt that they equalized handlebar width in this test. Tell me what Swiss side did with the rest of the bike to make it faster in the remaining 0 watts? Then it wasn’t even mentioned if this is a bottles on or no bottles condition.
You need a better life detector to know when you are being put on. So yes, I could be a bike designer who didn’t happen to be a former aerodynamicist for a back of the pack f1 team (like I should be proud of that) and make the old endurance 7watts faster (if you happen to be putting out over 400, they leave that out don’t they) by hiding exposed cables and stealing a handlebar made for our aero bike.
To be fair, with wireless shifting now, it's only the two brake cables. Hiding two brake cables really isn't that difficult.
Any option for the seatpost?
Fingers crossed a new Giant Defy could drop any time now with most of the features of this but half the price and with mudguard mounts.
Mudguard sure (I don't understand the appeal at all, an ass-saver seems to work just fine). The price? No chance, Giant has to support physical retailers. By the time it makes it from the factory, through 3rd party distributors, and then 3rd party retailers. Each stop costs money that gets passed onto the consumer. Canyon is a direct-to-consumer, they own the entire process from factory to doorstep.
Should I buy this or Pinarello F5 at $4,500, but no carbon wheels?
Is the sleeve included or to buy extra?
Lot of marketing BS in this new Canyon Endurace. Prices have gone through the roof too. The remote control trap on the top tube is ugly as hell.
It sounds like the CF SLX and CFR Enduraces are more race-focused, whereas the lower tiered versions are more endurance-focused (mounting points, traditional stem/handlebars). This split reminds me of Cervelo's Soloist and Caledonia offerings, with the CF SLX / CFR Endurace similar to the Soloist; it's an attempt to be an all-arounder.
I have a 2020 Endurace CF SL 8 (Di2) and really like it. But I did have to swap out the stem, something you can't do if you have an integrated cockpit. I also don't care about aerodynamics; as a triathlete, I have a tri bike for that. I also would have appreciated mounting points for bags and fenders.
9.5k but you can store an Argos pencil in that massive top tube stowage 😂😂 what is happening to the bike industry!!
I ordered my 2023 Endurace through Argos and got to keep the pencil
Love the Endurace and have ridden one for years. But can I fit my lunch inside this new one?
there's a huge gap in the range, if you want a simple carbon endurance it's either 2000€ or 3700€, it's nearly double the price.. and I'm worried there isn't going to be an sl version as I think shimano isn't making 105 and ultegra mechanical anymore, if true that's a shame. I was defiantly on the market for an endurance but in the 2700-3000 range
They're still selling the older version which does fill that price point at the moment. Once the product matures more, they'll fill in those price points especially as the older models get sold.
Wow, look at that storage space. I'm sure my multi tool will fit in there 🙄 I'm forever riding at 45kph so it's good news I'll be able save so much effort 😒 Did Canyon even think about who this bike is aimed at?
What the reviewer didn't mention that this is the airspeed, not road speed. So riding 30kph into a 15kph headwind, you get 45kph
@@matthewfranklin7541 good point 👍
@@jonburnell532your point is still valid. Riding 30kph into 15kph headwind is still hard for a lot people spending $4-5000 on bikes
Second thought, biking 45kph in no wind is as hard as biking in 15 kph headwind at 30 kph
@@youling1997 Yeah, OK - this is true...
Beautiful bike
It would be the perfect club ride bike if it had mudguard mounts. Strange decision!
Are you in the UK by any chance? You guys are obsessed with mudguards :) Despite getting even more rain here in Ireland, the mudguards thing isn’t as big a deal.
I must be missing something, but why can't you just use an ass-saver or something? I lived in the East Coast of the US where it rained all the time too, clip-on ass-saver worked perfectly fine.
@@ynie1 I guess a mudguard aficionado would say that the ass-saver only helps you and doesn’t reduce the amount of water being kicked up by your rear tyre into the face of the person behind you. I don’t live in the UK but, as I understand it, it is primarily in wintertime group rides that mudguards are a thing.
@@Baile_an_Locha it’s considered very poor etiquette to turn up at a club ride on a rainy day without full length mudguards but I can’t imagine that’s just a U.K thing.
@@ynie1 proper mudguards are for the benefit of your clubmates, an ass saver does nothing for them.
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I would definitely choose the Trek Domane if I wanted the internal storage and an endurance geometry
That's all good and well but the Domane would be múch more expensive then the Endurace for a similar spec. For that kind of money they can keep their internal storage to be fair...
I do think the Domane is better, but for the SRAM AXS force build, it’s $9700, that’s more than the top spec Endurace. I love the bike, it not at $4k more
Does a tube fit in the internal storage? After all this time, I think they wife’s on the update. I would rather have a domane. Surely top tube bosses and storage in the bigger down tube are better.
I don't think the people who are buying this bike are cross shopping for a Domane. Even though they're in the same bike category, the prices are completely different. If you look at the Domane SLR 7 AXS Gen 4, it's $9700 in the US (also can't believe it comes with an alloy stem for that price). The specs more closely resembles the Endurace CF SLX 8 AXS Aero, which comes in at $5500. If they were the same price, I would 100% take the Domane, but that price difference though.
@@ynie1 fair point on the price comparisons. The domane is overpriced in comparison.
7 watts at 45 kph sounds like a speed not really attainable by the riders the bikes marketed towards
Air speed. Imagine riding 30 kph with a 15 kph headwind, that's not that uncommon.
@@ynie1 You're right. Good point. It would have made more sense to me if they said that in the video
The adjustable handlebar makes me nervous. While it may be solid and safe in the beginning, it could become noisy....click,click,boom
That hatch in the tube is perfect just where I drip 💦 sweat! Cant wait for the inside of that frame to corrode drom my salty sweat - said no one ever😂
If I want mud guards I’ll buy a beach cruiser
Marketing baloney...it's less aero not more!
An integrated cockpit means it's impossible to dial in the fit vs a non integrated system. Additionally it's more upright hence aero claims are blown out of the water.
When is a new version release of a model not the fatest, most efficient bike, that tune is getting old.
I'm just gonna be happy with the bikes I have and let all this integrated everything mentality die out in a couple years.
To be fair, with wireless shifting now, it's only the two brake cables. Hiding two brake cables really isn't that difficult.
OH not another bike for £3500 to £ 9000 with a gimmick yes you can carry a very small bar of chocolate in it hahaha give me a break what i can buy for this money of value this is NOT value in a year some Dentist will be selling his for £ 500 if he is lucky .
I own an endurace CF 2019. Was 1900€, very comfortable and weighs in at 7kg on the dot. Stick this new one in the bin please. Its embarassing.
One of the issues with the older Canyons is that they tend to be light by reducing the amount of resin used in their carbon. However, this makes it brittle so they break with far less force than many of their competitors (having dealt with two broken 2019 Aeroad frames personally). I suspect one reason the bikes weigh more is to add more strength to the carbon.
Canyon make some great bikes at great prices, but why call a bike an "End-yer-race"!?
Probably to piggy back off of Shimano's Dura-Ace branding.
storage is stupid😂😂😂😂😂
I have a 5 year old Endurace SLX 9 which i want to replace. Anyone in BE wants to pick up a second hand Endurace let me know ;)
Good overview but not for me 🚴🏻👍 Pete
Storage, silly, its not a handbag.😊
Hatch looks horrible, looks like a cheap plastic battery cover for a TV remote control and takes away from a clean design line. Im sure water is likely to get in and no doubt easy to drop it/break it or scratch it. The space isnt much use for anything practical either. Backward step here Canyon.
Storage in frame is a great idea, lots of otherwise useless space. If fluid could be stored in there…. !
I really like it.
Anyway I’m looking forward to see the use that people give to the top tube storage, 🌭 🍌💵⚒️🔪🔑✏️🔞🏴☠️
More Holland bike is not more aero.
top tube storage???? WHY?? that makes a ridiculous volume and is a weaker point of failure than downtube which would have been more spatious. i'm guessing there is some patent they didn't want to pay for, but top tube storage is an awful idea. downtube is infinitely better. just give us bolts ontop
DO NOT BUY THIS BIKE. I bought this bike - Endurace CF SLX 8 Di2 Aero, and it arrived with such an ugly paint job. Numbers are visible on the frame, and the bike has so many white spots, as if it wasn't properly painted. I paid €5,258.80 for the bike and got such crap. All Canyon managed to respond is that it's a special color, that it's a unique bike... and so on. I have seen many other bikes with the same color - Stealth - and none of them was in such a condition as this Canyon. Shame. For such money.
Think twice!
If you want, I can show you pictures. I have a lot of photos.
Snore.
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😂 Piece of tiny metal cost around 3000-5000 what a joke
It's carbon...not metal.
@@ynie1 sammo sammo 😂