Was the WM Phoenix Open a DISGRACE?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- 0:00 Intro
3:04 Guy has gone off golf!
6:31 Should golf clubs have 9 month memberships?
10:09 Was the WM Phoenix Open a DISGRACE?
26:40 Guy now likes LIV Golf?
33:51 Rick has a BIG giveaway
35:03 Top tips for playing a new golf course!
38:13 Will Rick still make coaching videos?
41:18 Rick Shiels take on Good Good LIVE
46:15 Ricks new 10 shot challenge with HUGE guest!
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Love LIV for the fact I turn it on, and 4.5 hours later I saw everyone play their round and we are done.
I appreciate Guy mentioning where he's at with golf. Very relatable. I can't wait for spring to get back out there but 0 motivation to practice right now.
I felt that too. I literally feel exactly the same. I've played once since November
American golfer and PGA fan here. Many friends make an annual venture to WM Open. You are correct that a lack of "A" list PGA pros will reduce the crowd. However, the "doomsday" scenarios and outrageous posturing as if it's going to become a drunken zombie apocalypse are off-putting. My prediction is we will see a correction towards moderation next year. This year's weather contributing to delays made for excess not seen before. WM Open is the "Circus Maximus" of the PGA Tour calendar. Cheers!
I mean I think most people know, if you want to avoid the craziness, generally going Thursday, or Sunday, is probably your best bet. Maybe even Friday. Saturday is to be avoided like the plague
It is a trainwreck. The event coordinators should be ashamed of how they have been letting this event turn into Woodstock. Only thing left to do is have The Hells Angels manage the crowd
@@bingbongboomboom HA would be more competent ten fold.
It basically is a drunken apocalypse lol. I live down the street from the course and the roads were essentially destroyed from drunk assholes. Wandering , pissing, littering , sunburnt assholes man lmao
Subscribed today, been watching your pod cast for awhile. I do love your product review and teaching videos. Keep up the great work. Cheers from Canada
You're absolutely right about summer golf in the heat. I played 9 holes in Southern California last year and it was 105 degrees out. I physically couldn't get through more - I had a headache and felt ill. And that was with constantly drinking water and using a cart. You can forget about walking the course.
I played summer golf in Houston, and one day I was walking the course. 98 humid degrees. The ranger pulls alongside and asks me if I'm all right. "Sir, you're the only one who's walking out here today." Sure enough, I fainted while bending over to pick the ball out of the cup two holes later. Never again. Mad dogs and Englishmen!
Southern Missourian here, and you’re absolutely right about the heat and humidity making things MISERABLE. I sweat worse than most and end up needing multiple gloves and towels to be able to stay somewhat dry. Forget having a few beers too, if you’re not drinking water and electrolytes you’ll suffer quickly.
I live in Vegas. I know the struggle lol. Twilight and early morning rounds is a must. There’s a couple weeks a year where it’s just miserable, but we will play when it’s up there 110, just drink lots of water.
@@jrodgers211 I’ve been out there one time and remember being amazed at how warm it was but how warm it didn’t feel - coming from 95% humidity in my neck of the woods made a massive difference. 110 degrees is 110 degrees though, still hot as hell!
Totally agree it's really hard playing golf in the winter almost depressing to the point I haven't played since November.... March the bug kicks back as the courses improve and light returns
If this is where golf is heading, you can keep it.
WM has gotten to the point where its a drinking event at a golf course for a lot of people, rather than a golf event for golf fans
It’s always been a drinking event at a golf course bro
We usually get out to WMPO at least every other year, and even with the weather, I think there were definitely groups that couldn't care less about any of the golf aspect of the weekend. It really is a good time for the whole family for the most part usually, but you're right that these groups try to go up a tic on the meter - it just comes out as lame. I really hope that they're able to dial it back a bit if they even can. It really is a fine line between relaxing fun and too much. We did get to Phoenix a few days early, and also attended the GoodGood Desert open. As a fan of many RUclips golf channels, I was excited to see some of my favorite content creators in person. The idea was great, but being the first live outing, it was a huge miss in person. Yes it was more for the telecast AND the weather was not cooperating, but it was not a great experience to be there. Very chaotic, and none of the staff running the event knew what was going on. I'm excited to see them do more live tournaments like that, but I think you dodged a bullet on this particular event.
I’m by no means a fun hoover, but people need to chill and respect Golf.
From what I'm hearing this is what made the wm relevant this year. If there wasn't a wild party nobody would be talking about it.
It’s one event a year… maybe it went a little far this year, but this is what most golf tournaments are going to be in the future.
Your old boring golf is dying and myself and the younger generations are here for it!!!
Make Golf Great for Once!
It’s called the people’s championship for a reason. It attracts a young new crowd to the sport which is exactly what the PGA want. Some people need to chill out and let others enjoy golf how they want to. Especially if it’s only for one event a year.
Alcohol is killing golf
Look at other sports
Crowd behaviour is shocking
Integrity is the main thing in sport
Without it
The game is just a past time
Look at Wimbledon
U don’t see drunken alcoholics yell scream and do shoeys during play
Golf courses and clubs should ban alcohol on a course
Go to a pub if u want to be a annoying piss drinker I say
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I’m liking these podcasts before watching them! Def the best podcast out yhere
Always a great listen , Thanks boys !!! I work in a new and used golf equipment store lots of regulars coming in and a steady stream of customers with the itch for golf and warmer weather , there was not one mention of LIV golf that last 3 days and very little talk over all about it over the last year or so.
It's a simple calculation for me.
Super rowdy, but doesn't effect the golf = fine
Super rowdy and interferes with the golf = too far
Great pod cast as always guys, looking forward to the next 10:shot challenge
Us too!
All of America isn’t “golf weather”. Here in Michigan we stay cloudy and snowy. So when we get the opportunity for 40 degree days, we love it and get the opportunity to play winter golf.
I'm in Michigan, and I've played last week first time this year. Any golf day, even cloudy and 30s, is a good day. Golf season is almost upon us!!
ha same here in NY...40-45 degrees in feb? spring! 😅
I live in Montana and courses stay closed usually from November to March or April because of snow. The simulator has been a savior during these months.
Yep it was 45 in Michigan and I was out there. No snow and we good
I'm in West Michigan and I got to play a couple times already
Such another talkers very natural and interesting.
LIVE EVENT get on it Rick being a push himself perfectionist can't wait for this.
Being able to play golf in the winter is a luxury. Hearing people complain about the weather doesn't always sit well. We get to play golf 5-6 months a year due to really cold and snow. Would love to play year round no matter the weather.
I wouldn't. I like seasons more than golf. Golf in moderation keeps me sane. But you can always move if you don't 🤷♂️
Responsibilities and family are higher in the list than golf, so packing up and moving isn't that simple at my age. Maybe after retirement, but until then, golf year round is a luxury I don't have.
Here in Florida sometimes it just gets a lil too hot :/
I'd rather it not be 120 degrees during the summer to where we don't even go play because its literal death out
@@x1siriuswhy dont you just play night golf in turkey/dubai like rick and pete? Seema simple enough MATE
Im from Ireland and now live in Sydney Aus for 7 yrs. Going from 3 months of golf to all year round and stunning weather all the time makes you improve quicker and just enjoy it so much more and stay motivated
The fun at the WM Open definitely went above the limit. Excited for the Sergio Rick video. Rick and Guy you should do an emergency podcast for 30 minutes speaking about Tiger's new line now that is it all announced. Also Tiger's Sun Day Red logo looks so similar to Slazenger...Ps. Sun Day Red is not really about Tiger wearing red. It's about his love to play golf in the sun, during the day, and of course the colour red. Hence, why Sunday Is two words. And apparently the logo has 15 stripes for his 15 majors.
a handful of sm posts dont speak for everyone there.
Golf weather? Hey, try playing in Colorado in the winter. Sunny weather, but cold and snow! Good thing I still ski!
Rick and Guy you are awesome. Thank you so much size 7 UK please😂😂. Making dinner for family that i love while listening to a podcast that i love... amazing thanks guys
Here in Michigan, we were lucky to have 2 50⁰ days during the winter...usually 20⁰ out with 2ft of snow.
Great pod again lads. Can't wait for the 10 shot against Sergio. He's always been a favourite of mine. Guy, as a Liverpool fan surely you should have known that "El Niño" means "The Kid". It was also the nickname of Fernando Torres!
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Love the show… as always.
Suggestion for playing a new course: Google the course. Open an earth-view (real) map. Use the "measure distance" tool to plot your way around the course. You can see hazards. You can decide which club and which line to use on each tee box.
Good shout. I’ve been using it to check out the width of fairways mostly. To see what courses my banana slice has no business attending 🙄
I've been doing that for years. Before that I had to rely on yardage books. It's been a long time since I played a course truly "blind". I even have an app on my phone called Maps Ruler which is basically just google maps but measuring is really simple and easy. I use that to get my yardages when I'm playing. It's invaluable.
Play every week in the winter I like winter golf . Were I play drains very well always full green and tees only a couple of fairways get wet wet . But when the wind blows it’s crazy fun exposed on the side of a hill facing the sea lol
Nothing beats playing golf in South Africa 🔥🔥. Great weather throughout the year 🌍
This is the key to LIV, you know who will be playing, just like F1 you know who the drivers and teams are, and that is what LIV is for golf.
The pga I don’t watch anymore as I have no idea who is playing.
Obviously still watch the majors and the open.
Great podcast!
I was at WMPO.. the over capacity and alcohol stopping was true.. but it wasn’t that bad. Most people were civil. It was the college kids that went crazy.
Just gotta give them their own section or something
Just commenting on why people love RUclips golf. It's because it's more relatable than the +12 handicap tour pros most of the time. And you give us insight to a game that attainable for us. On top of everything you said too
In Perth, Australia, we play golf all year round. Yes in summer it can be hot at times but we are tough. In winter occasionally it can be wet but rarely impacts your game. Most of us actually walk the courses. Great exercise even if your game is not going well!
Looks like Guy is calling the sweater some weird name ;-). Love the podcasts fellers! Keep up the great job!
Great episode once again guy and Rick 🤝
Hi Rick and Guy,
I’m going to my first liv golf event here in Adelaide, Australia. Are you guys coming?
Appreciate all the content and discussions.
I agree respect needs to be shown to the golfers. Issue is today no one knows what respect means. Gone are the days where people can be quiet for a golfer to concentrate and take their shot.
Was at the WM everyday. When the leaders came through 16 you could hear a pin drop...even on 16 when they were on the tee. ( was also on 16 for the hole in ones two years ago and that is a life time epic event) If the Pros get angry maybe they need to redirect the anger. Having two rounds each day had an impact on 1) drinking time 2) boredom waiting between rounds If anything I think the event was too tame ( police on 16 etc etc) I personally had a blast. ( Oh Canada) Thanks Nick for bringing it home. ( Just my POV) PS Also went to the Good Good event....Fantastic first effort.
I work straight down the road from the entrance to the open, my office is right on the corner where the busses turn and everyone gets dropped by their rides. It's always a nightmare but this year was a special kind of shitshow. People urinating in our parking lot, passing out and puking, 2 drunk guys trying to fight me for not letting them piss in my coworkers car, it's not about the golf at this tournament, it's just a party to show out at. I honestly can't stand it anymore.
Be happy you can play in GB. As a Montrealer our courses are under a sheet of ice with no hope of opening before mid April.
Ontario here, and I’m right with you. I’m putting in my basement now and dreaming of better days.
It was the only golf tournament I’ve ever seen 4 pants pissed at
Phoenix Open is turning into. a real life Happy Gilmore tournament.
You guys have this conversation every year. Golf gets a taste of what other professional sports get on a normal bases in the WM tournament. Huge crowds, stadium seating, drunk fans, streakers… I played pro baseball for 7 years, on multiple occasions fans said things that were way over the line that you shouldn’t say to another person unless you’re looking for a fight. This is the reality of drunk fans in a stadium setting. Pro golfers and golf fans are complaining about something that almost every actual athlete deals with every single game. Get over it. It’s a great tournament with the best turnout at a great venue.
Welcome to the Guy Charnock podcast. Making up for tonsillitis by using 5 words when 2 were more than enough. 😝
i miss Rick on his own podcasts 😢😅
WM 2024 was more rowdy 100 percent due to weather. On Saturday 16 had a 2 hour break between rounds with the fans bored out of their mind waiting for 4th round to go through. Our weather was horrible (relatively). When it is 75F each day it's much calmer than you make out. The course was in amazing shape and the golf was exciting. Still better than LIV.
LIV had better players then the waste management and way more respectable fans and having it a day before the Super Bowl was smart. LIV GOLF ⛳️ is Better.
Highly recommend you go to the WMPO Rick. This year was the first time I've gone and it was Fantastic - and that is from someone who had 0 drinks. Been to the Ryder Cup and 4 other PGA tour events - and this one was pleasantly surprising. I can't wait to go again next year.
I had a totally different experience. People drunk and shoving you out of the way, piss on their pants, rude to staff, vomit everywhere, and around 50% of them weren't watching golf at all. It seemed like an influencer convention and a music festival with golfers playing through. I had the best experience on the front 9 when I got away from the Lululemon mob.
When I did chat with your standard golf fan, it was a good experience with drinks and laughs and we chatted about the groups we were watching. That is what I love about tournaments, but WMPO went sideways as a whole this year.
Queensland Australia Summer 50 weeks a year,.It’s tough. Our Winter is 25 degree C and Summer max is 35.on the Coast but you guys have better courses
Couldn’t agree more re playing a golf course for the first time. I always think a good golf holiday is two courses over four days instead of four over four.
Great show Rick and Guy, as usual. As I was listening to you discuss the WM, over the weekend. I was waiting for you to bring up Rickie Fowlers motocross outfit he wore on the 16th hole. Did you both see that?
I agree about playing in the heat a few times a year here in England it’s to hot to play at least in the winter you can wrap up warm but then you are normally fighting the mud and rain.
Bought a launch monitor and put a sim in my garage. I play everyday and keeps the game sharp and keeps me active while there is snow on the ground outside. Best investment I made.
Rick, everybody knows you would have been at the good good event but good on you for bein a good dad. Family always comes first. Lookin forward to seein you and finchy play together.
my 2 local golf courses are on clay soil. With the rain we have had this year they have closed for the last 3 months due to waterlogging. I normally love my winter golf
I heads on other podcasts that the course was so congested that it was taking an hour to walk 150 yards. Literally they were so bunched up that they were hoping people behind wouldn’t cause a stampede. The organisers had no other choice but to close the entrance gate. Typically people would hang out on the hills on the course but because they were wet many more people stuck to the cart paths causing more congestion.
Watched LIV all three days, then tried to watch the WM on Sunday and couldn't get into it. It was three shots then a commercial, five shots then a commercial, two shots then a commercial. Ended up just doing other stuff and the WM was more background noise and at one point I look up and it's over....
LIV has trilloinarre backers who dont have to worry that their coverage makes a loss.
Great observation on all fronts. Good to hear you are opening up to LIV Golf Guy. Concerning what took place on the PGA Tour at WM...the full blame is on the attendees. Consuming alcoholic beverages has been available to all adults on every tour...hell at The Masters the cost is amazingly affordable; yet you NEVER see such unacceptable behavior. Thus, what took place I do not blame the tour or the sponsor. Moreover, what took place was by a handful of fools...the vast majority of the event was respectable.
With the Liv thing, I watch all of them because they aren't on every single week, so it's a treat to watch it when it is on.
PGA gets boring week in week out.
That said, Tiger at the Genesis, I'll be all over that all weekend..!!
Used to go to the WM open every year- haven't gone in 12 years. You're correct, the intensity has increased every year to the point where it's not enjoyable for the typical golf fan or player. It used to be a very fun and easy going event, pure happiness in the sun. It has been taken over by non golf fans where the actual golf is an afterthought.
Love the videos Rick! I know you said hit studio isnt a priority now, but would love to see you do reviews of some more budget friendly simulators (garmin r10, flightscope mevo plus, etc). There’s not a lot out there of people reviewing these product and I’m sure a ton of supporters from the clubhouse might be interested in a cheaper golf simulator for at home or the range!
Is there more rowdyness at the Waste Management than some soccer matches? This year there were some crazy incidents but seems standard at futbol matches. Am I wrong?
It's the WM Pheonix Open, you know it's gonna be a rowdy one. Every other tournament is quiet and respectful like it should be. If a person who lives in Pheonix and wants to take their kid, then they should already know what they are getting into by going.
Down here in New Zealand, clubs do Summer Membership. We are very lucky in that it never gets too hot or too cold. So playing golf in NZ is a full year game. Summer membership is a great way to introduce casual golfers to local courses who then upgrade to full membership.
Personally, I loved it. Nick Taylor went on an absolute heater to make 5 birdies in the final 6 holes to win. Unreal golf. I love the 16th too... I think maybe they have to tighten it up a bit but it's one tournament a year with it's own distinct personality and that's good for the game and good for us watching.
of course you can play in the summer in dubai. I did every week all summer.
WM has promoted this
Its now the place to be seen and wild.
This was bound to happen
Did Rick give Sergio some putting tips? Stoked for this 10-shot challenge.
Watching the WM event for a few hrs each day. It got a little rowdy, yes. But from just watching it seemed about normal for that event. That's why we like to watch it because you get one crazy event then the rest are classic pga, mostly. I don't follow social media so I only saw what was on t.v.
On tv it looked okay but if you looked it up on Twitter it looked really really trashy
You’re on social media right now 🤔
What you saw on TV didn’t even scratch the surface of what was going on. Don’t believe what TV is selling you
@c_span my buddy was sending me stuff from Twitter. It definitely got real wild. But like I said. They don't show that stuff on t.v. so it was just normal to me. They threw trash out on 16 once because they got excited. One guy slide down "the money hill". That was about it.
pardon me sir. I'll be more clear next time. I meant no Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I have youtube. Oh I alos have a snap chat that my wife, 3 golf buddies, and my crew of guys at work are on.
missed you guys at the Good Good RUclips Open!
What’s unfortunate about the craziness at the WM is it kind of took away from a fantastic finish and playoff, was unreal to watch
Can't relate to Guy today - winter = missing golf season. Got access to a simulator and can't wait to get out there and hone some chipping / gapping. Always something to work on, confidence to build.
I was hoping u guys would have covered the sunday red. Glad it came out before the podcast.
I know a couple of guys who went the WM last year who I know for a fact wouldn’t be able to name a single player in the field. They were the some of the first ones joining in on chants and throwing beers on the greens. I think it would make a huge difference if players just stopped playing but I don’t think that’s an option for most who are fighting for a spot.
im starting my golf journey this year... ill start end of feb as right now its not very nice... UK sucks for outdoor sports during the winter
I enjoyed Good Good Live. the way the camera and commentators are right on top of the action. and I liked the night format for the lighting.
Last year I attended WM and really Saturday was insane. So many people that could care less about golf but just wanted to have a good time. Too much alcohol for sure. But Sunday it was like a different tournament. Still loud but nowhere near Saturday.
If you can find a good course that is fully open (without winter rules) and doesn't get too wet, I think winter golf has it perks: the courses are quieter and approach shots are much easier to execute. I played Baildon (in the north west of England) the other day and it was great fun.
The respectfulness of fans towards the players and from player to player is one of the main things I appreciate about the PGA Tour. The Phoenix Open though, is a “one-off” type of event where the players are well aware of what to expect from the gallery. I really don’t have a problem with this, even sort of enjoy it when the players buy into it. Would definitely not like to see it spread beyond this tournament into others on the tour.
Your right Rick about playing in the heat. Playing here in Australia ,you need to tee off early morning before the heat gets you. 🇦🇺🥵
Rick in Texas?! Love it!
Yes
Spanish oaks is no joke- my mom is a member and it’s probably the hardest course I’ve ever played. I believe it’s a 148 from the tips. I wonder what Rick did on 4.😂 Cheers, keep up the good content Rick!
Rick you need to do a Pro Celebrity Golf reboot 🏌️♂️
You guys have the HIT studio, I wouldn’t leave that room all winter 😂
Sunday at wmpo was the greatest sports event I've attended. Canadian bias but Taylor 3 shots back with 4 to go and birdie, birdie playoff was fantastic. Weather was an issue for crowd actions but once the super bowl crowd left it was serious golf fans throughout as far as I saw
Rick, you should absolutely join the good good crew for the Midwest open in June!
I think rather than a summer membership, clubs could consider a heavily reduced winter membership. For a couple hundred pounds for four months it would keep the tee sheet busy, enable golfers from other clubs to have a feasible second winter option and hopefully keep the bar and other secondary side of the business busy. On having a second club if they were far enough apart it could be play the one that is open.
I decided not to attend due to a few years ago I went and felt like I was one of very few on the grounds that was only there to watch golf. I also don’t drink so was entertaining for me but just really difficult to stay in the golf with so many just partying and wild. Watched the coverage at home and got to see everything that happened with the golf 😂🤙
Hey Guy and Rick I have been wishing for golf in the UK as all the clubs are closed here in eastern Canada 😂
My thoughts on the WM Phoenix Open is when the crowd interrupts the actual golf is when they are going too far. Have fun even get drunk that’s fine but don’t go onto the course and do snow angels in the sand trap. Also don’t yell at the players or during their shots. Like Billy Horschel said it is their job.
It was shocking and I turned it off and put happy gilmore on and was kinda similar with the crowds. Even thought about putting liv on but didn't lol
Good thing Joh Rahm left the PGA early enough to miss playing in the PGA ( beer wasted fan event) last weekend.To keep PGA traditions- the PGAT should stay with its USA national regional tour roots. It is great as a golf fan to have a choice. I sure enjoy the Team added value entertainment LIV provides.😀
Winter golf in southern Ohio is great. 50 F days are humidity free and I just imagine I am in Scotland minus the nice links geography.
Stop complaining guys... Here in Finland the golf season lasts for 6 months. In a good year :)
It was like the spring break of golf. The social media press was mostly videos of completely trashed people wandering around the course and falling down drunk. What happens when someone goes to the next tournament and shows themselves like they did at Phoenix? The expectations for how to be a respectful fan at a golf tournament have changed, so how do you enforce it at other tournaments without bashing the WM tournament?
The club where I’m a member offers a ‘flexi’ membership. It’s $600 a year, broken down is $100 to the club, $100 to Golf Australia to manage your official handicap and $400 in prepaid green fees. It allows you to play in weekly comps, including Saturdays, book online in advance and each time you play they deduct the members guest green fee of $45 for weekends. Once your ‘credit’ runs out it becomes pay for play but still all the benefits of being a member. I work Monday to Friday, have 2 young kids so can only play weekends. I wanted to play Saturday comps once every 3-4 weeks so this was perfect for me, rather than shell out for a 7 day membership just so I could play Saturdays. Not many clubs offer this but it’s brilliant and could really work to supplement membership numbers.
I think your point about the lack of "names" on the leaderboard of the WM is missing some context. Yes, this year's tournament wasn't the most star-studded, but for the first time (I think) it was wedged between 2 elevated events in the schedule. So that definitely made an impact, and I don't think the lack of star power can be only attributed to the players' irritation with the gallery antics.
Something's got to be done with the world ranking systems because if you're not playing every weekend with the best players in the world there's no way that the PGA Tour can dictate whose number one to number 50 in the world
I went to WM 2023. The problem isn't the fans, it's the design of the holes 18, 17, 16. They put three giant boxes(suites) all in one area. It's also right at the main entrance. It gets super crowded and with the rain, it wasn't possible to go in the grass(slippery.)
They need to create sky boxes on some of the further holes... Like take away 17 and put one on home 7/8/9 to spread the people out.
As someone who has been to the wm open five or six times it is not as crazy as tv coverage makes it. It is fun though and people need to go, to really feel how it is.
7:06 welcome to Canada. And I’m NOT talking about you BC Lower Mainland.
I would personally LOVE if more courses were OPEN all year. We have one local small course, bless their hearts, that stays open all year but that is FAR from the norm.
It's the WM. You know what you're getting. I went there maybe 4 years ago, only tour event I ever saw. It was amazing bybevery measure
Heys guys golf in summer in south East Queensland in Australia 35 plus degrees celius and 100% humidity all day and storms a chance all day but I still try to get 18 holes done.