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Which stupid Golf Rules should be changed?
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If you hit the ball in the rough or over in the fall leaves and don’t have the luxury of a spotter like the tour pros, free drop (no penalty) to replace your ball where you and the group agree it landed but is either plugged, under leaves. Speed up play free drop and move on.
Me and my buddies call that a “brovisional”… when you hit a good shot and can’t seem to find your ball so you drop without penalty
Generally agree, but you have to be realistic. I've played with guys who used the "lost under the leaves" concept to turn a 215 yard drive into a 270 yard drive. If you're playing on your own I guess you just need to hold yourself to account, obviously if playing in a group you can ask them about where you think a fair spot to drop would be.
Completely agree, if you’re turning 215 yard drives into 270 yard drives your score is meaningless imo.
@@MonsterERB that’s a very valid point. A buddy of mine was a real distance exaggerator. Don’t get me wrong, he could hit the ball a long way, but I remember he swore his ball carried this ravine that was like a 340 yard carry, I was like “my brother, you’re smoking crack”
I use to play in a club that had a seasonal leaf rule. It lead to people playing high risk shots blind, that they'd not normally try, knowing they could claim leaf rule for a lost ball. Playing sensible for position was then penalised.
Penalty/OB should be played as lateral. That is a lot of local rules but agree make it across the board. Free relief from a divot that is clearly defined and agreed by playing partners is great.
If in a footprint in a bunker you get to rake and drop it back in the same spot of the bunker
Guy saying “sir guy to you” had me laughing lol
Rick, I've never been a fan of podcasts but I'm loving these shorter clips that you've been putting out 👍
I like the 2 off the tee rule in junction with the 3 from where it went out. Gives you another option, seems fair to me. Me and the boys always move out of the divot.. you can fix pitch marks on a green in your putt line, you shouldn't get a terrible lie because of another player playing the hole before you if you hit it in the fairway
Guy was absolutely hilarious on this, couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂😂
This podcast is CERTAINLY a TOP 5 from you guys! And the rule changes are 100% good ideas!
7:20 “finished in the divot” 😏 lolol
BEST vid of the year , guys , so funny
I think the rule about not being able to kick your ball out of a forest and say it was never in the forest, and that you actually you parred the last hole not triple bogeyed it as you think I did.
This was gold! Love this!
“Didn’t you get two pars in a row once” got me 😂😂
I haven't seen many videos here, but this was by far the best one!
Really funny chaps, am on holiday in CZ with the family and love this little bit of escapism 👍👍 excellent stuff Guy 👍
Yes, change the drop rule to be the arm extended out at waist height or just naturally from the side. This knee height is ridiculous.
Drop height should have been changed to from above the knee and below the waist.
Excellent - keep putting this segment out on RUclips please
All lost balls should be under the same rule. Whether it's OB, water, lost in trees/hedges/shrubs/leaves, etc, Drop where it was last in play or where it is agreed by the players to have been when lost, drop a new ball and add a stroke.
Divots, especially on public courses can be a real problem and it should be legal to move the ball either left or right up to the width of the ball as a free move.
Not as sure what to do about hitting into a divot in a bunker (People Too Lazy To Rake The Sand) as they can be even worse than ones in a fairway.
I find it easy to avoid the fairway divots by simply avoiding the fairway altogether
Love this. Need it on RUclips!
Didn’t know yall did this show was excited I actually had something to watch
I’d like all penalties etc. to be the same consequence. I usually know what the fault is but have trouble remembering which is two club lengths or one. Which is two penalty strokes and which is one. Make them all the same.
When you receive a penalty.. it is 2 clubs..whether it is a 1 or 2 stroke penalty. .... and if the relief is free it is one club length. Also..usually a 1 stoke penalty is given for things that occur as a result of playing a shot. 2 stroke penalties are usually when you do something naughty, or stupid, that you should not have done.
I like these Friday podcast clips on youtube.
When I coached middle school golf, most of the tournaments had a local rule to allow players to roll the ball one revolution out of a fairway divot.
And if they got a lucky good lie in the rough did they have to roll it into a bad lie?
@@theythinkimmadyouknow
And your the reason golf is boring
@@Bomion why, because I dont cheat? Dont submit fake scores and play the game as its intended and just have fun with it rather than whine that my balls in a bit of a scrape in the ground? Yeah, I'm the dull one alright🤣🤣
@@theythinkimmadyouknow They're middle schoolers. You're a grown ass adult.
Calm down.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow explain to me why you’re allowed to fix a divot in your way on the green before you putt. That’s allowed right? Shouldn’t you just play it as it lies?
my big rule change: create divisions for competition - ranging from 100% traditional to fully modern. so one tournament can ban all electronics, and even restrict equipment, while another can allow all the electronics and aids the organizers want to allow; or anywhere in between.
Concept:
Masters- Lean traditional w/ electronic ban, more value in experienced, possibly give the caddie market a boost; Augusta already doesnt allow private recordings of the course, easy to adjust, plenty of history in the course to show how it evolved with the game and its practitioners
The Open- 100% traditional; speaks for itself being in the homeland of golf
US Open- 100% modern; plethora of courses of age, difficulty and infamy to test practitioners and push design and creativity to the edge( think like a profession greenkeepers revenge in a way); prime environment for brands and new ideas to promote product
Pga Champ- lean modern with equipment band; skills test of talent on the most difficult courses; would either establish common lofts or establish a range of lofts in categories such as “modern” “”semi-modern” or “traditional” and the yardage each club “should” get with x club head speed in no wind, mild wind, etc. Prime environment for the community to really see the difference between the average golfer and the pros and the bridge that can be built with the industry.
@@cancersilver9546 yep, that's the general idea.
Have a tour event where every person has to hand in a shopping list:
12 balls, no more than 3 dollars MSRP each
1 putter, no more than 200 dollars MSRP
3 wedges, combined no more than 250 MSRP
1 set of irons P-5 MSRP no more than 500.
3 choices of Hybrid, Utility or lower woods no more than 150 each.
1 3wood and 1 driver, combined value no more than 400 dollars.
The organizer then purchases all your stuff, marks it and you get the bag the day of the practice round
Thats a 14 club bag for 1500 dollars with "cheap" balls.
it will force every brand to have proper handicap 20 level equipment that is good bang for buck so amateurs can play without 600 dollar drivers.
or just do events that only allow blades (so no woods/drivers) and the following event that only allows mallets (so no irons, only hybrids)
I want to see a Guy vs. Rick video, where you guys play a course under 7,000 yrds or from the white tees, Guy with TM Mini and Rick with Callaway Mini!!! No drivers!
This one had me laughin so hard
I’m really enjoying the clubhouse podcast episodes, the guys behind the camera chipping into the conversation adds something different too
Guy was on form in this. Had me at “just play our own rules” when talking about 3 off the tee
For 2 off the tee, changing the language of the rule would be easy. Instead of "Stroke and distance", change it to "Stroke OR distance".
Listened to this on the podcast and was howling. Came back to watch guys performance
My friends and I play "Spectator Rule" when it comes to lost balls in places that are in bounds (and not in major trouble). Where everyone saw it go just off the fairway into the rough but it's nowhere to be seen, maybe its under a leaf, maybe it went into a gopher hole, who knows. If there were spectators and cameras they could point you right to it because you know it was definitely in bounds still. So we just drop a free ball in a place we all agree is approximately where we saw it end.
Guy was on fire today!!
Best podcast ever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If “Players” is 5th major then we go back to 1974 when first “players” was played and include everyone who won it since 74” as a major winner. That would give Jack 3 more Majors, and Tiger 2 more.
hot take on OB, just play at a local municipal where there in no OB and you just hit from 2 fairways over lol.
Guy is genuinely hilarious 😂
Where I grew up our local course was sparse grass, simply not enough water or money for huge maintenance - so local rule was anywhere on the fairway you had a clublength no closer to the hole to move your ball (regardless whether in a divot or not) so you had a chance of getting the ball onto some grass/weeds. I dont think it's unreasonable to have this implemented everywhere - if you want to keep it old-worldly strict for top-level events, then have at it.
Please keep posting the clubhouse episodes to RUclips.
Guy's cali accent is killing me 😂
I've always believed that a divot in the fairway should be ground under repair, free drop!!! And a lost ball should be a drop hitting your 3rd shot, going all the way back to the tee slows down play and is ridiculous, and out of bounds should be 2 off the tee, it seems so simple really.⛳⛳
This is definitely not the first time Guy has done roll play 😂😂😂
Very excited to see the changes the new leader of the R&A “English-approximation-of-a-hip-American-stoner” brings to the game
I absolutely hate when I hit a ball inbounds and can’t find it. Just the other week I hit a beautiful drive straight in the middle of the fairway, but we had so much rain here that the ball plugged so deep in the ground that I searched everywhere and couldn’t find it.
Funny thing is, I went golfing there five days after when it was all dry, and I saw the very top of that exact ball peeking up from the dirt.
But on the day I golfed, I had to take a drop and re-hit. Which ended up giving me a seven on a par four.
Frustrating indeed.
If you want relief from divots, sand your divot +1. If everyone does that (as they are supposed to), the fairway condition improves, and nobody has to deal with a pockmark. If very few people do it (current status quo) then you get tears and lamentations. Sand your divots.
Not practical for the walkers (if you’re not walking you shouldn’t be playing) to be carrying sand. Curiously it’s the golfers in carts who NEVER sand or replace their divots.
@@alliejr Thats a weak excuse. I’ve got walkers on my squad. They carry sand AND… wait for it… sand their divots.
@@alliejrso many players can’t walk 6-8 miles but can definitely play with a cart. That’s a crazy take 🤪
I don't think I've played a local course in the last 10+ years that has even had sand available to the players. Fixing a divot as was taught to me, was replacing the patch of grass back on the mark. Sand was something you only saw on TV.
@@yetisdeuce1315 I’ve only played short courses, full munis, public courses, & country clubs in California, Texas, Kyushu, and the Kanto areas. From 1988 I’ve seen sand not be provided ONE time (in Texas). I’ve paid green fees from $400 to $24, I’ve never seen ZERO sand provided. You should play better courses. Dont trust ME. I’m another internet rando. Go look it up. Players are EXPECTED to sand their own divots and 1 extra. Not doing that is like spitting lougies indoors and complaining about how nasty it is.
This was a tough watch
Most comps that i play make you take a drop for 4 a metre on the fairway laterally where you think your ball ended up but can't find
If you want to retee, you hit for 2 BUT you forfeit your first ball regardless of if you find it.
It stops people from hitting 2 balls for giggles and taking the 2nd one if they don't like where the first one is (can't find it on purpose)
This speeds up everything
Guy's R&A character needs to be a recurring thing on this podcast from now on. The Granola eating, tree hugging, weed smoking leader of the R&A who wears hipster clothes and has an extensive vinyl collection... 🤣
When it comes to lost balls it can be quite irritating when there's virtually no difference between a lost ball and one that 's almost lost - (you just got lucky and found it) but rules are in place to keep the game fair. However I disagree with some of the rules on taking relief, for example when Bob MacIntyre recently got a free drop from a sprinkler head which happened to be in the middle of thigh high rough, or when people remove their ball from behind a tree because there happened to be rabbit scrapings nearby. Doubtless everyone will disagree but I believe you should always play the ball as it lies - you put it there.
Gallery ball. We all saw it land right here....
Just play preferred at all times through the general area....solves at lot other peripheral rules related to drops
All make complete sense, seriously how can we get these changed!
If you swap with Tiger what would you do first? Go buy a fancy thing with all your money or go right to the range and hit a shot in each of the boxes?
I love Golf and playing it as much as I can. But hate so many rules that penalize anything and everything as if we were playing professional golf for millions
2nd shot off the tee after lost ball … makes so much sense
God this podcast format/style is so bloody good 😂 where has this been all my life
I’m a firm believer in bringing back the clean and place rule and also the foot wedge. 😳
I hardly go ob anymore myself... but I whole heartedly agree with the idea of changing that rule
Doesn't really affect us weekend golfers, but for tour players when they've putted and it's on the lip of the hole and clearly still moving, there really shouldn't be a time limit. If that ball is still moving and rolls in, that should count as the same putt.
Guy’s got his chompers done
2 off the tee and gallery rule would be amazing.
Ball drop - Extend the arm out on aprox 45 deg angle to that the release is at waist hight. I'm 280 pounds 6-1 with bad knees. that's all I can take. 😆
I don’t know about hitting two off the tee is a good idea. It seems like it would save time. but the reality is, everyone hitting a slightly bad shot would be hitting a provisional, just in case. And then make no real attempt to look for their ball. But I absolutely agree about getting a free drop if you hit your ball into a divot, or any other imperfection in the fairway, for that matter. The fairway, just like the green, it’s supposed to be in relatively good condition. And that’s actually a rule that me and my friends play by. We allow each other to roll the ball. You should never be punished for hitting a good shot.
Free relief from hitting ball in divot in fairway 🎯
I think Guy was just getting a little TOO into his character 😂. Thoroughly enjoyable and couldn’t agree more with the content. If the grass surface has obviously been disturbed below the surrounding level then it counts as a divot. In other words, the soil has been exposed.🇦🇺👍
Stroke and distance rule:
Agree that a factual 2 penalty strokes from hitting OOB (especially on narrow courses) is quite a severe punishment.
if you hit a par 3 OOB you suddenly need a hole in 1 to make par.
Divots:
If the ball is actually below fairway level (as in bridging a club over the ball without it touching is possible) you should get a free drop, but just a shallow divot that's 4 months old shouldn't give relief. if the ground is so muddy or there are wheeltracks, same test, bridge your club over the ball, if the ball is actually not touching the club you can drop it in 1 clublenght.
Dropping/placing
In cases where you get a penalty stroke it should be place, in case of free drops it should remain drop.
Otherwise you have a better chance of a good lie by aiming for a shelterhouse and placing it next to it than to actually aim correctly.
I'm South Africa you get a club length placing on fairways at most golf courses. Which I think is fair as if you hit the Fairway you should be rewarded with a good lie.
1: not old divots - new divots may be repaired before taking your shot.
Would love to hear Ricks take on Bob MacIntyres free drop at the Scottish open! Does he think Bobs practise swing was in fact a practise swing or does he think it was a full swing that improved his lie and he only called the ref when he missed the ball?
What about every cart on a course carry several seed jugs to fill divots so people can grab a handful in passing carts to fill your divots
We play for lost balls that we drop 2 club lengths on fairway for 3 off the tee or from where it was lost or goes ob. But obviously not in competition. It’s no difference to hitting a good shot from the tee for second shot but because you have been penalised it’s only fair to be on fairway hitting forth. So why risk taking a provisional off the tee and possibly losing another ball or hitting into rough and wasting time for the group behind.
So I would be onboard for either rule to be an option take 2 off tee or drop on fairway near to where it was lost or went ob.
It's incredibly easy to lose balls for me. Even after playing golf for years I can stare at the ball when someone swings.
Frame 1: ball on tee. Frame 2: Driver head. Frame 3: Swing is complete. Frame 4: Ball has literally disappeared.
Doesn't matter if it's completely smashed down the middle of the fairway, there's a decent chance I will legitimately not see it.
I like a gallery drop rule. If we all see that the ball is in, but can't find it. Free drop where we all feel the ball would have been located if there was a gallery there watching the shot.
3 off the tee should be a rule that stays, hit a provisional if you are close to OB. Lift and place/drop out of divots I agree with
It should be a “spectator drop”.
Let say you hit a drive a couple yards in to some high grass. You can’t understand how you can’t find it and now you need to tee of again or you take a penalty drop. But, if there was spectators they would easily find it, as they do on the pga tour and so on. A spectator drop would let you drop the ball in the high grass where the ball landed without penalty.
Protect our golf courses- get rid of the tees
Ah tbf Guy was in great form here as the hip new modern head of the R&A
I have always found the "lost golf ball" penalty for ammeture and lower level golf unfair. The professionals literally have people (and some times cameras) all the way down the hole to help them locate their wayward ball. If you can't find a ball, there should be no stroke penalty for a lost ball for everyone short of the pros.
I would agree with the suggestion of Guy, you take it as if you are playing whatever stroke is after the lost ball off the tee is or you take an additional stroke and play a drop from roughly where the ball was lost
Losing a $4 golf ball is penalty enough
@@atthebrink74 ... what abnout a 0.50 golf ball?😂
I hate playing courses with rough and leaves everywhere and you cannot find your ball even though you know 100% it didn’t go out of bounds, but it just is under a leaf
@@gerhardprasent3358 in this economy every dime matters
My favorite rule idea is PIN IS IN. Any ball which clearly strikes the pin is considered holed. Never take the pin out, speed up play, lower scores, exciting finishes, what’s not to love. ❤
Currently Model Local Rule E.25 is the rule you’re thinking of. 🤓
That’s when you go to where ball is deemed lost - 2 club lengths back onto fairway for 2 shot penalty
Agreed. The challenge is to get YOUR/MY COURSE to adopt it 🙄
i think drop between the shoulder and the knee...
Divots in the fairway should be classified as GUR. And with today’s technology, NOBODY has an “incorrect” scorecard. And BTW, Rick: Tiger won’t swap with you, since he hates RUclips…..
Rather than removing the out of bounds penalty drop on the tee, would it not make more sense to just make all hazards lateral. That way if you hit out of bounds you have the choice to drop where it last went out and hit for 3 there or to hit from the tee again for 3.
I've seen a few courses use the lateral hazard for OB as a local rule. Speeds things up
This is how most people play, especially if you play public courses.
Not being able to remove your ball from a divit
I play in Spain a lot and amature golfers are allowed lift and place on the fairway only so no punishment for divots this inc completion golf it’s really simple rule and Does Not slow up play and makes sure your
rewarded for hitting a fairway
My league uses a six inch rule for divots in the fairway. All OB, lost balls, unplayable, etcetera are (counted) drops on the line or near last known spot. Very easy to remember, fair, and moves the game along quickly.
OB/Lost Ball should be played as a lateral hazard.
Bryson’s main aim is to grow the game, and no one has done a better job of that since Tiger. Everyone will be wanting to be on his channel now but I’d like to see some PGA players show their personalities and do their bit to grow the game on his channel.
The stroke and distance rule is unfair. But it's the rules and tough breaks like that make golf like life (which is why we love it). My course is particularly punishing for any wayward shots. I work so hard to stay in play. But, as I'm get better I feel I've earned the scores! Having said all that however, it would speed the whole thing up being able to play 2 off the tee!
I think the 2 stroke penalty should stay if someone hits an obvious OB. As in, duck hooks it right into the OB area and is clearly lost.
Now, if you hit slightly off-line (or even down the middle; I’ve lost fairway balls on leaf covered courses) and it’s reasonable to assume it’s stayed in bounds, then a free “gallery drop” should be awarded.
The divot rule should apply if it’s an obvious divot and not a natural imperfection. If the ball is in a divot it should be one ball’s width left or right.
Lets make ready golf the standard
I'm going to keep it 100: I already take relief from bad fairway lies in divots. You shouldn't get punished for hitting a fairway. I do like the 2 off the tee proposition, though I wont actually use it unless it get implemented. I also just drop however i feel like it, sometimes i just toss it lol. The other rule I have for myself is the "a spotter would know where it is" rule where if i know it is in bounds but I cant find it, I take a drop at my best guess. Also I suck at golf and dont play any tournaments so nothing really matters
The 2 golf leagues that I play in league rule is you can move your ball a score card anyway you want at any time, no penalty! We aren’t getting paid to play LOL
We just call it playing it up
If your lie in the middle of the fairway isn't perfect, take a free drop. You have my permission.
1st Tee shot of the day you should be able to have a breakfast ball, If not happy with it you can re-tee for no penalty, (Mulligan) Nobody wants to start the day off with a BAD tee shot.
Damn, Guy is funny.
He is right... what is a divot? How do you tell a divot that is one hour old vs. 3 days old. Rick says "everyone in the group should agree." Good luck with that in tournament golf.
Two off the tee would greatly speed up pace of play vs searching for lost balls.
The RA and USGA IMO have little regard for the everyday golfer. All pro sports evolve over the years such as replay challenges, pitch clocks, etc. Some pros play numbingly slow and the use of range finders could help speed up play in all aspects. The caddies are so good and figure the yardage out any way but it is slow process at times. What would it hurt. But the they won’t allow them and why? This goes for many aspects that could make good sense… And rolling back the golf balls for distance in the future, heck NO!
Maybe they changed the rule, but that guy who I can't remember, that lost the Master's Tournament because he didn't record his scorecard correctly was ridiculous. It even ruined the experience for the guy who won.
The knee drop is stupid and it should be 2 off the tee. I don't know about the divot one, but then I don't ever end up where the divots are on the fairways.