Rick Shiels changed his mind on LIV Golf?
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20:19 - the leaders' group tees off 10-15 minutes after the shotgun start, so the final two groups start on 1 and finish on 18
That’s an awesome idea! Good on them
Can’t take you seriously if you watched LIV this weekend and didn’t mention 19 year old Caleb Surratt on Rahm’s team. Every young college golfer in the States was watching him. Kid makes 5 birdies in a row coming down the stretch on Sunday.
It's just another negative view from one person who happens to hate LIV
On the back of a triple bogey as well, makes it even more impressive, my head would have gone by then.... kids got a good future
And he earned over $1 million , his peers definitely took notice
I agree
@@alexsamain812apparently most young players want to play liv.
I watched the last round of LIV this weekend, and after watching much of the PGA tour for a while, I was riveted with the way it ended and actually some of the best players in the world right now are in LIV I think. I like the shorter round time as a viewer and feel there is room for different leagues as needed. Golf isn’t a monopoly, it’s a sport, a game, that all can enjoy.
If they would go to another network it would be better. You can barely even read the player names on the screen and so on but overall I’m much more interested in the collective of players for LIV, unless it’s a major for the PGA tour.
That last day at LIV is always exciting especially the team format. You have guys who might not be competing for the individual tournament but their score counts for the team. It’s non stop action and we watch it on LIV Golf + and absolutely no commercials like the PGAT.
I"m not sure about RUclips, but LIV is free to watch on their app as well as the CW network and a few regional networks in the U.S.. I appreciate that it is so much easier to watch than the PGA Tour. To watch the PGA you have to constantly switch between ESPN, Golf Network, Peacock, and CBS just to watch it all which is insane whereas with LIV I just open the app. I wish the PGA would sign a single TV contract with someone so it isn't such a pain to watch.
1. Stingers are a fully South African team so not only aussies have a full team
2. Dean Burmy, Louis Oost, Charl Schwartzel and Branden Grace all have Sunshine tour cards that allowed them to play in co-sanctioned sunshine tour and DP World tour events
Not too much reference on this but both Dean Burmester and Louis Oosthuizen each won 2 DP world tour events and neither one broke into the OWGR top 100 yet you have an amateur who was ranked #4129 win the PGAT Amex (his first made cut) and jumped to #68 in the OWGR.
Rick, fun to hear your thoughts on LIV. Positives and negatives. Please do the same with a PGA Tour event. That would be interesting 🙂
I'm not going to lie, watching Liv this weekend, It has grown on me and I'm starting to be invested in it.
Same for me. I’ve got ESPN+ and you see a commercial after a certain amount of shots. Love the nonstop action from LIV. I set my VPN to the UK and throw it up on RUclips, great stuff
Same. It does feel better now. The bigger names are there. It was always going to take time. People are impatient and shortsighted. The first ever season of football surely wasn’t great. Look at it now. Same with anything.
It was a great watch!
Just wait til 2 or 3 years from now! 🎉🎉🎉
Welcome aboard, jcb is gonna be something special
Would like an equal pros/cons list evaluating PGA event/coverage. Seems LIV is under a lot more of a microscope. BTW Rick, they do order final round by leaderboard. Crowd attendance was similar to any Hawaii PGA event. Both locations are tourist areas. Biggest negative with PGA is the commercials and media worship of certain players.
Commercials on the PGAT are beyond annoying, we watch LIV on their App and absolutely no commercials.
Hating on liv for having commercials while the pga tour is on regular TV with commercials is crazy
The commercials have a Golf break during pga tour events.
@@andybt3989no they don't. They just show taped shots when the commercials are over
We watch LIV on their LIV Golf+ app and absolutely no commercials, the CW broadcast does have commercials.
You've not been to many junior golf events if you think Juniors don't swear on the golf course during competitions... 😂😂😂
They’ve taught me a few words 😂
Theres aspects of liv that i like and dont like. But ive always liked shot gun starts as every player plays in the same conditions with wind etc
The shotgun start is great
I like the team concept, and I think it made a bigger impact on the tournament than Rick and Guy seem to realize.
I like the Crushers (mainly because I enjoy watching Bryson play). Bryson wasn’t having a great tournament, but it made me notice Howell and Casey more since they were playing well and moved the Crushers up to second on the final day. Same thing for Legion XIII. The 19 year old, Surratt, may have just been a footnote normally, but his play was more impactful, especially when combined with Hatton’s Sunday run. With Rahm stalling on Sunday, those two propelled Legion XIII to the team win, with every shot from every team member mattering.
Pick your favorite player, watch a few of their team videos on RUclips to get to know the rest of the team, root for the team. Not that complicated really. To me, it just brings another point of interest to watch.
Considering this league has only had two full years, I’ve been surprised to find the last few LIV events much more compelling to watch than those the PGA have televised. Plus, it’s hard to argue against the star power of LIV when you look at the leaderboard at any given time.
I like the Crushers because of how Bryson engages with the public.
Joe Blogs is what makes the PGA tour a superior product, The desire to make a name for oneself and surprise the veterans is inherently relatable and entertaining,
I watched it LIV for the first time and genuinely really enjoyed it. The field is amazing and felt the production was really good. I do agree though the commentary was not great at all. I also love the fantasy game element. There is a huge market for that and made me far more interested in some players I wouldn’t otherwise care about. Hope they expand on that. The mic’d up element is great as well!
Liv was awesome and Guy should really be watching it since he hosts a golf podcast, poor on his behalf
Also, we gonna talk about the fact that the PGA tour played a 54 hole no cut tournament that their players got world rankings points from 🤷🏽♂️😂
Great point
We gonna talk about how it got rained out by a historic storm with massive floods? 🤷♂️😂
@@joshramirez7how is that relevant? Was pretty clear a 54 hole even doesn't meet the criteria for points.
@@LaineDaviesexcept it does! Go read the OWGR statement. Also checkout the 54 hole tour that gets them!
The sound of the ball going into the hole is one of the most enjoyable things on LIV. And IT'S THE REAL SOUND captured from a mic.
I love liv, but it is a fair criticism
Rick, you mention about the fields for LIV and Waste Management this weekend. Can you get excited about the WM event when the top players are Scheffler, JT, Homa, Burns, Spieth, MWL, Young, Fitz and Clark. Do you honestly think that list competes favourably against the LIV field? I just can't get excited about that, regardless of the Par 3 which is actually a crap hole with pissed people shouting.
Didn't eve watch the Pebble beach event, watched Liv for the first time, actually enjoyed it. Pretty interesting.
I liked the team aspect of it.
You're a real golf enthusiast. You genuinely gave it a chance. Kudos.
I don’t watch any PGAT anymore it’s all LIV
I agree with you about the commentating…I wish David could just be himself and not so bridled.
Thanks for honest reviews of LIV instead of just bashing it.
I’ve been a fan from the beginning and have watched very little PGA Tour. I would much rather watch the DOD king working on his Soft Mitts with Martin B.
LIV is like RUclips golf. It’s meant to reach a different audience, and that’s what it’s doing. Now I’m almost 60, but I’m all in. Honestly, I am annoyed by the same things you’re annoyed by, they have some work to do, but you can’t see so many of the best players in the world taking shots anywhere else.
Caleb was the blight of the week! Just turned Pro, 4 putted, recovered, and helped his team win. That’s a huge story. I’m still struggling to see why you’re having such a hard time with the team aspect. Pick one already and get on board. Pick a team Rick! It will change your experience.
Myself and friends were the very first members of the public in at the very first event at bedminster, even managed to speak to the LIV marketing team. From a fans perspective it was great, especially PGA tour itself split off from the European tour to set itself up and basically entice all the best European players to it. PS I quite like that the good and the bad shots are captured unlike the other tours which are heavily edited.
Rick - “my positives….. tuned in for Rahm’s tee shot… turned it off” good start on the positive list 😂
Rick, Guy - we’ve watched LIV from the outset,and obviously we’re at Centurion last year. There’s no doubt the addition of Rahm, Hatton, and Meronk has added some more familiarity to the line up - especially for the European viewers. I’ll admit I was struggling to get the concept of the teams in the early days, but stick with it, the more you watch it, the more you’ll start to see the sub plots that the team element brings, it does add a lot to the event,m. You won’t have a team that you are fully supportive of like you have in football, but you’ll find you get an affinity with a number of teams for differing reasons. For me and Jamie it’s Crushers - Cos of Bryson, Rangegoats - great marketing concept and Bubba, and Fireballs - we lived in Spain and Sergio chucked Jamie a signed ball at Centurion.
For me, it’s hands down better viewing than the PGAT, irrespective of players, but LIV have got such a strong line up now it just adds to that. The series isn’t without its flaws but LIV have shown they’ll adapt and modify - they’ll always look to improve.
We’ll look out for you at JCB in July, 😉👍
Forvthe first time I find myself agreeing with almost everything RS said (about Liv).
Been away from golf for two years now because of spinal surgery man I miss it so much I got down to a 5/6 handicap I’m still going through recovery in my 2 years on I’m sorry I don’t watch the pod like I used to when I played 3/4 times a week but Ive watched todays pod and I’ve missed it you guys are just pure gold content looking forward to the next one lads
I agree with Guy, if LIV players get world ranking points and are allowed to play in majors, it would create an almost champions league like majors where the best players from different leagues(tours) come together to compete and create a bit of rivalry
Honestly I loved watching LIV on RUclips, I got to watch on my iPad in the office then switched to the the cell phone when I was out and about. I thought it was awesome on RUclips! And I liked the team aspect of it also.
Rick...long time subscriber, love the content!
When I watch you play, your *short game* looks a lot like mine. On the chipping green/range, my short game is solid. I rarely have a yep, thin or fat.
When I get on the course, it all changes. My short game challenge is totally mental...looks the same for you. You obviously have the skill for a great short game.
Hi Guy!
For me, the field is good enough for me to show interest. As as a South African, having an SA team is pretty cool
South African golf is in a very healthy state. Got great players coming out every year. That sunshine tour must be a great start for young professionals. I’m a ripper fan for the same reasons. All Aussies
Worst shot in LIV golf history..🤣😂 Love the podcast!!!
Excellent episode this! Great debate! Possibly the best ever excluding those with guests! Would it be possible to have an episode with two guests debating this and the future of Golf? The subject divides fans, but it has got the sports world talking more Golf.
I've found myself watching more LIV golf than PGA Tour recently, but mostly just tune in for the Majors and a few other big tournies (Kapalua, Players, Arnie, Jack, etc). I agree with almost everything you've said. My thoughts, in addition to what you have said.
1. Rather than changing the Shotgun start, have 2 or 4 more groups than there are holes for them to play. During the shotgun start, 2 groups wait at 1 and 2 groups wait at 10. This gives players 1 or 2 mid-round breaks. Then on the final day, run 3 waiting off 1 so all of the leaders (4 groups) can finish on 18.
2. Have some sort of a Team playoff for the top 3 teams from the Tournament. It doesn't even have to be regular stroke play. Could be points for long drive, closest to the pin, and fewest putts in a putting contest. Or something like that. I could be a different challenge for every tournament. Knockout or Skins or anything could be cool.
Liv is a far superior product. Viewing experience is far better! Better players, each event you know who's playing! Pga tour have 3 top guys and that's it!
I compress my clubs quite a bit, so I couldn't really get on with a 3 wood, but my 7 wood is my 200 yard club and I love it! Off the tee, I can get it to around 220. I love that damn club!
I think the whole shotgun start is everyone playing to win that tournament that day is going to play in the exact same conditions unlike at Pebble Beach the morning crew had a slight wind a little bit of drizzle and the afternoon tea times had 40 mph winds and sideways rain
Rick, it would be interesting for you to sit down and watch a PGA event and analyse it from a viewers standpoint the way you have LIV if you haven't already.
Be good to then compare your points.
Hi Rick and Guy, so over here in 🇨🇦 I downloaded the Liv + app and watched free golf all weekend which I really enjoyed got used to the scoreboard and the switching back and forth, quite impressed my only negative the commentators. Thanks for the great content as ever Pikles
Stinger GC also makes sense. All South Africans. 💪🏻 🇿🇦
Great content as always, I'll not comment on Liv as I've still not watched it at all but I'll say I've been using the Cobra Darkspeed LS since it's day release and it's phenomenal!
"Tor-kayyy"... 🤦♂ I agree about the commentary, it was woeful 🤨
I love the team part. it reminds me of my college golf days!
So... Rick signs with Mercedes, for whom Jon Rahm is also an Ambassador, and suddenly Rick is warming to LIV Golf...... 🤔😂😂
Something you are missing. Pga played 54 holes, are they getting points??.
Liv players will eventually boycott majors. The majors pay less anyway.
Got to Watch LIV in Las Vegas today, round 3 with decampbeau, DJ and Rahm in front 😅🎉
Is that more material been recorded ever, ever, ever, ever in the history of Rick Shiels Golf History 😂😂
I've previously been positive about LIV but wasn't bothered last year. However, Tyrrell is someone I'd follow. I watched nearly all of Sat and Sunday. Got heavily invested in the singles and team events. Also found myself rooting for Legion XIII. All the team had really interesting back stories and when the young lad had a 4 Put hole and then came back to birdie the next 5, it was really interesting. The on course coms is a little weak. I feel there should be more interviews with the players whilst playing. Didn't watch a single hole at Pebble Beach. No interest whatsoever.
All excellent suggestions Rick regarding LIV
I like the Team element and idea, but not necessarily in its current form. My favorite thing about the Ryder and President cups is the teams with varying formats. Really brings team selection for each format into play. Would love to see more of this. Still have 10 or so normal tournaments but add 2-4 team tournaments mixed in each year
Rick’s spot on, simple negatives to fix I like LiV but these are simple things to fix. That hole sound effect is ridiculous.
From national club golfer - apparently those liv guys were not members so they don’t have outstanding sanctions. Or can be exempt under different categories such as past champion etc
I'd love a squad view option for LIV where I can choose a team and watch all 4 players of that team in a multiview.
My sons and their friends almost exclusively follow LIV and the Majors. They are all in the LIV fantasy league, and I've never seen them so enthusiastic about LIV. They want to go to Adelaide in April, but it is SOLD OUT. LIV breaks the US monopoly on pro golf.
I do think that embedding a youtuber/influencer in each team could greatly help reaching a younger and bigger audience. Imagine that you could root also for a Rick, Peter, Grant or Garret in a team. A pro-Am vibe in the team element could be a lot of fun!
I have got more into LIV and even more since I've been watching the Majesticks team videos on RUclips, poulter has always been my no1 , but watching how the team gel together I really hope they have a better year.
the team aspect is great once you watch it for a year or so and "get it" = First time watchers will be lost to it though! I love it!
So Rick, it seems to me that your RUclips theatrics with Bryson definitely had an impact on your LIV POV! The number of times you mentioned Bryson in this episode! Don’t get me wrong, i tuned into it all, and it was great.
I watched Wyndham Clark shoot a 60 last weekend and was glued to it seeing if he’d shoot 59. I think that’s tour agnostic. Idc where they’re playing, show me good golf.
Liv tournament in Mexico had more spectators than when the PGA tour was there , it’s a fantastic product and golf definitely needs this , Liv is for all ages and sponsors are guaranteed 54 players each week , really don’t think you understand the concept and understand how golf was going stale , Liv golfers don’t want the PGA tour and very soon you will see the majors get Liv golfers on board, speak to people who know golf and know these tours
I'm glad Rick finally got a new driver. My son just got fitted for a Dark speed LS and he loves it! I got my first brand new driver ever, in a Ping G430 max. I don't know how Rick played with the 425 for so long. The sound, oof 😣
If LIV were to be able to add some iconic courses to their calendar I think that could be game changing
Valderamma coming up!!!
The thing is, notice what was said. There was bickering between Liv lovers and live haters. Why are the haters even there?!?!
There were multiple trolls on the Friday chat that did make it annoying. Most LIV lovers just wanted to comment on the golf.
Some people exist just to ruin peoples' fun. They revel in it like a hobby. I don't get it, and think they need to get over themselves and go find something positive to do with their time.
@@TitleWaive1I watch on the app!
As an australian fan the team aspect is huge for me as it is easy to car about our 4 players working together in the teams standings.
I think the stingers would have the same thing with SA fans.
LIV players can play in DP WorldTour it:
- They where not membre of the Tour before
- They are a former champion of the event
- Sponsor invite/invitation from the national golf federation
I have so many thoughts about LIV…
The tournament still feels like a bunch of guys playing a round of golf at someone’s stag party. The music, the shotgun start and the casual nature of things just takes away all the gravitas for me.
I was reminded of John Rahm’s thoughts on LIV from a couple of years ago this weekend and seeing him completely about face for the money causes me to lose a huge amount of respect for him. And that’s really how I feel about all of them. They allowed themselves to be bought.
I think the team thing could work but I would rather see an entire event dedicated to only team competition sort of like a Ryder Cup situation. I would watch that.
Overall the whole thing just feels like a gimmick to me.
If you have the opportunity to create generational wealth for your family and don't take it, you're a fool. I don't blame any of them for joining LIV. Pro athletes have a short shelf life, better make the best of it.
Rick, Sergio was waiting on the 18th because LIV changed their setup a little this year. For the final round, both the penultimate group and the final group tee off from hole 1. The Rahm, Bermester, Niemann group played slow and fell 2 holes off pace. They almost got penalized for being too slow.
The 2 leading groups have teed off on the first from the very first tournament. The winner has always finished on the 18th hole.
Never listened to Rick shields before and you can hear the animosity they both have towards LIV. They hate the team format but that in my opinion is a great element and makes LIV more interesting due to guys not giving up because they may not win the individual event but have a chance at helping their team standings.
I only got into golf 2 years ago - much prefer to watch LIV
PGA tour is like watching the Nationwide tour in the aughts
On the team element of LIV. I have an idea to spice it up. Crazy and out there I know but if they want to be different then why not?
Each team is given a "Home" Course
On that course that team get bonus points for a win or a couple shots lead or even the chance to hinder their opponents someway.
Then each team has a location/course linked to them and people can get behind them.
Having a home course for each team or having them “host” the course would be awsome
Rick, you seem to be a genuine guy. I find your comments about LIV looking thru a negative lens albeit you're definitely coming around. I love watching golf and personally since LIV I can't hardly watch the PGA for four reasons. 1. Pace of play for PGA is like watching paint dry. 2. The PGA being represented by Monahan and the players that spoke out were the primary ones who spouted negative comments. I don't believe any member of LIV initiated negativity towards the PGA other being defensive. 3. PGA went on a destroy LIV crusade. 4. The leaderboards are not comparable to the players I enjoy watching. LIV is the more entertaining tour, hands down.
I love LIV golf! I think the teams are fun and different! It doesn't need to be the same old names or ideas.
And the Merch in the store is really nice quality.
We need to just give them time. They are not going to be household names overnight.
The coverage has improved and the team aspect felt exciting especially when Rahms team started chasing. Can't see how the World rankings are relevant when so much talent is showing at LIV
PGA has some awesome young players that could play and win at LIV. These no name talents are amazing. I would love to see more DP world tour players, I’m sure they have some fantastic talents.
In the US LIV was on RUclips on Friday only. Then Saturday and Sunday it was on the CW. I will probably always prefer the PGA Tour, but sometimes enjoy watching LIV.
Like test cricket that has lost an audience over the years, which led to 50 over cricket and now 20 over cricket…. to keep people interested, golf needs to do the same. LIV is 3 rounds and shotgun start meaning as a spectator it’s at a suitable time. Nothing wrong with that at all. End of the day it’s about the game of golf, PGA / America doesn’t own the game. PGA poached the best European players years back when it setup in direct competition with Europe. I don’t understand any negativity for LIV. Just like RUclips golf helping attract new people to golf so is LIV.
Question - when are you coming back to Australia?
I remember your videos at Brookwater when I first got into golf! Maybe Liv golf Adelaide?
to me, it now makes the Majors like an All-Star type event. i think there needs to stay a way to qualify or get points, but the best players NEED to be there. And yes it definitely elevates them and makes me that much more excited for them.
I think an actual Team day would be really cool, like having a team vs a team on a hole, Shamble format or something?
Watching pebble beach was great! There’s so many story lines between Aberg, Pavon (first French golfer to win), Dunlap turning pro, Rory building toward the masters, Clark going low after emerging last year etc etc
What is LIV broadcasting on for the uk??
You can watch it on you tube for free
music def makes it feel like an exhibition. Not a serious tournament.
Completely agree with all of those points. I feel as though they are "Americanising" the sport. A little like what they did with cricket, ie: 20/20. Trying to make something "exciting" that shouldn't be taking that particular angle. I am a fan of LIV golf, and will keep watching... but I'll turn the volume down whenever a ball is going in the hole.
I commented on a reddit post when liv first started, saying that I thought the commentary was terrible. I got ripped on the comments😂
Couple of things I’d do to make LIV better:
1. For first 2 rounds, all teams play four balls, but every player finishes each hole so individual and team scores are counted. Final day singles with leaderboard based pairings.
2. Live broadcast each team’s rounds on RUclips. For the team element to pick up there has to be a way to watch your favourite team
Its a matter os expectancy, the higher the expectancy the higher the probability of feeling underwhelmed. The reason you are not underwhelmed watching PGA Tour events its because you are used to the format and you have no expectancy what so ever. IMO, Liv is more exciting and you see more golf than any PGA Coverage. Another thing is that LIV is slowly becoming the Golf All Star League.
Not in the states. Unfortunately "CW" network is not available on RUclipsTV subscription where I live so I wasn't able to watch it. LOL. Populating LIV ad spots with their own content. Probably unsold ad units.
personally I don't have any issues with the whole team aspect. But I also come from and individual sport background (track and field) where our individual performances in our events gained points towards a team score. Its really not that hard to grasp but I think that a lot of people get caught up on the team names that were chosen, because most of them are really goofy. Its the same concept that our high schools and college teams use in their tournaments, so I have always been a bit confused as to why people had such a huge problem with it.
From a viewers perspective that watched both events this weekend, LIV far and beyond was better coverage. A, on youtube, so free and easy to access. B, while watching LIV I saw 15-20 golfers shot highlights from a single feed. PGA event could see 2-4 golfers from a single feed. abysmal coverage of the actual golf, barely seeing 2 golfers round is so disappointing compared to LIVs coverage in my opinion. Comment section would be just as negative on the pga if they had one.
I agree LIV could really make themselves a different product to make it appealing. A few idea could be:
A team shot clock and lowest team time wins bonus points.
A knockout team based match play event that is like a cup competition outside of the league. This gives a team that way off the lead can win something.
Have a nominated player that gets double points. See how a player responds to the pressure of the team aspect.
But as you say it is the same game just a little louder it could really shake up the game until it does,. I will still consider it a sideshow.
On the idea that they don’t show reactions to golf shots, I sorta like this because you get to see more golf which was one of your positives. In the last round I will say they definitely showed a lot of Joaquin’s, Rhams’, Garcia’s, and Burmester’s reactions as it was coming down to the wire. I think we need to understand that LIV is not the PGA. They are doing something relatively new and even though they surround the same sport of golf, the audiences, atmospheres and coverages are very different. The PGA has an amazing history and will always be around, however I won’t bash LIV for trying something new and seeing where that takes the organization as a whole. Much love for Rick and Guy, I always appreciate your two cents and coverage of the golf world.
They do have an app also where you can watch it live and cast to your tv.
The problem with teams in LIV is it's still an individual sport. I think they should make 2 players play Solo in a the standard format, and then 2v2 alternate shots on the opposite 9-holes. And then the 2s get swapped each tournament.
I would love to see a Ryder Cup style event LIV vs PGA
Made me laugh a bit with your comments about commercials interrupting PGA and LIV coverage. I enjoy watching your 10 shot challenge casts, but boy are they interrupted by commercials!!!
Agree with Tom..1st time spending more time watching it and watched all day Sunday.. actually really enjoyed it. Much more because of rick's point of rooting for Niemann, wanting him to do well. Bloody music does my head in though and definitely Rahm looked pissed about it..Bloody rhythm is a dancer in the background..get shot of it 😂
How is LIV different from PGA signature events?
I mean, I watch a lot of times for the same reasons on the PGA. Watching certain golfers rounds or watching a huge moment. I wouldn't have turned on a couple weeks back, but I saw that Nick Dunlap was still leading or in second and wanted to see if he could win. I think now, especially with how many other things there are to do and see at any given moment, Golf is going to have a harder time keeping people watching for 3-4 hours daily for 3-4 days especially with a younger crowd.
There surely can’t be a Brit on this channel that’s into this team element surely?
Thanks Rick. I've not watched an event but you've made it seem like a car accident. I need to look just to see how bad it is.
I give it a year before Ricks doing something with Liv just laying the foundations with all the backtracking.
He wants it he’s to fail boy about the PGA live will never hire him. He had his chance and went to an event and shitted on it after they wouldn’t hire him and plus he’s not bringing anything to the Democrats that they don’t already have let’s be completely honest I’m probably one of the youngest viewers Rick has. He really lost me with this take. He literally makes RUclips videos for beginners in golf but wants to shit on the league that’s literally trying to get people like me another traditional golfer into the game and I’m not even a liv stan but it’s like dude come on like you got to get with the times eventually