HEATED DEBATE 🔥 is FFP a Conspiracy to Protect the Big 6?
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2024
- The Kick Off delve into the rollercoaster journey of Newcastle United's recent ownership change. Initially euphoric about escaping the era of Mike Ashley's frugal reign, fans dreamt of marquee signings like Mbappe, mirroring the transformations seen at Chelsea and Man City. However, a stark reality check hit home as the club's CEO revealed financial constraints due to FFP, shattering the hopes of lavish spending. This revelation not only left Newcastle fans reeling but also prompted a broader reflection on the changing landscape of football finances, impacting not just the Magpies but potentially every club eyeing transformation through new ownership.
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Good to have you back on Spotify. Missed listening on my walk.
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Stop trying to compare United to City. United are a historic club with rich history and millions of fans, and generate their own revenue (same would apply to Liverpool). City are Oldham only City won the lottery Oldham did not. Chelsea are a bit better than that, but they still won the lottery.
Hold on so let me get this straight. When we were complaining about how FFP basically just protects the established top teams from any outside competition back when we got taken over he didn't wanna hear any of it, but now that his team is dealing with FFP after their takeover NOW it's an issue... the flip flop is crazy
I’m a Man United fan and I agree with you. He’s an absolute hypocrite.
Yeah . . . it is a bit funny. Geordie's argument about making it fair in terms of "spending" is a joke. It means that super-wealthy and super-successful Clubs will continue to boss the EPL. FFP will eventually bring City down to Earth.
Boom, 110% spot on
There’s no such thing as a football fan that isn’t a hypocrite. Laugh when it’s for you, complain when it’s against you. Every fan is the same, whether it’s a handball, VAR decision, FFP, anything.
They even say multiple times in this video, the problem is that we’ve won 5 out of 6 leagues and nobody can compete. They never actually specifically reference our spending model because guess what… our club is sustainable and there’s no argument there.
I miss the old Kick Off so much...
same
It’s now a therapy session channel for this Newcastle crybaby
Shame his friends gave up on him for one comment
@@petetong3166 deserved lmao was racist for no reason 😂
Me too. Thank racist brian for that one.
Newcastle fans want FFP to be relaxed so they can spend a few billion, make it a solid “top 7” and then put the FFP roles back to protect their own position from another team owned by another nation state
Nah i think everyone should just be capped at the same limit, and allow all teams to spend to that limit and not just the big 6
@@InterYamahno where in life does such thing exist
ive not seen one fan say such a thing
@@Akinwalesegun Actually, yes, it does exist. And futhermore, it works (more or less). The biggest motorsports in the world, Formula 1. Before the introduction of the current system, the top teams (in the current era, that would be Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull) spent above 500 million $ a year on development and such, while smaller teams could barely afford to spend 50 million $.
Now, however, that is not the case. You have a base sum of money you can spend, 135 million $ for 2023 on performance. And yes, everyone had to make that work. And the same 3 teams stayed at the top (unsurprisingly), but the field got much closer.
Yes, there are ways around it (and it seems top teams are using those ways), buuuuuut. It does work to some extent, for sure.
I’m a Newcastle fan and I’m saying just spend everything you have. Let’s get all the prem teams on steroids. If you go into administration why is that the prems problem
You can't spend near half a billion from the brink of relegation virtually selling no one in the space of three years and complain that the PL are anti-compeition when they try and regulate that completely disproportionate spending that is unsustainable for the other set of owners in the league. Newcastle should use their new found success on the pitch to generate increased commercial revenue over the next few years, in turn, allowing them to spend more money on players. These rules are designed to keep competition natural and to stop clubs digging themselves into a hole they can't get out of (Everton).
Best take on this.
investment should be able to be used to compete at the higher level. I agree that there must be a cap at hoow much money the owner can pump into a club, but the idea of a club only able to spend based on their revenue is complete BS. If we're looking at it in terms of business/start up, the perks of investment is being able to use that "investment" money to expand and to growth, hence why there are a lot of startup reaching higher height that old businesses can't achieve. This FFP is just there to protect the exisitng club that have generated money previously.
There's no way newcastle can found success on pitch, generate commercial etc without winning, and to win you need capable team first, which is achieved by signin proper player. All the big clubs that hated city newcastle are just jealous at this point..
Ok so in the mean time we have to sell our best players. Who can afford them. The 6 clubs everyone is trying to catch. Keeping them further ahead. Commercial deals you say? Emergency new rules put a cap on that too. Nufc could not field a starting 11 without loan players propping up the 1st team. Players were using wheelie bins and paddling pools for ice baths. Let that sink in (no pun intended) A premier league team, with a multi billionaire owner had to use wheelie bins and paddling pools for ice baths. To say this whole club didnt need £400m spent on it is laughable. But Chelsea, with a stellar squad and an over stocked academy spent £1Bn in the same period and that's acceptable? Nope. One was a necessity and the other was vulgar indulgence.
350 mil isn’t half a billion…
@@dondatta13 Not chelsea fan here, but you know chelsea also sell many players? and their academy players definitely bring pure profits.
What New castle can do now is look how Brighton run their club. Yes they're not big yet with trophies and all, however they're health financially. And they can do it because they have good scouts. So, get good scouts, develop new players, so you can use them in the team and sell or loan players you not use. What New castle did for few years like buy players with high price definitely not help financially, especially because you guys don't have big revenue income. After you balance the book, next you should think about how to make your revenue bigger
Newcastle have spent circa £500 million since the takeover and have revenues of around half of that (£250m). They’ve virtually sold nobody for any decent profit either. There’s no conspiracy at all, it’s simply FFP doing what it’s supposed to do
Spot on
Finallllly I've been saying this for so long, it's refreshing to see some people using their common sense
We had near enough no investment in the previous decade. So when you say we've spent that and sold nobody, how exactly do you sell championship quality players for profit that we've been stuck with for years? this isn't like Chelsea's takeover when they already had a good base to shoot from. Newcastle was on it's knees comparatively because Ashley had us in a state.
@@SirMonkeySuitand so what? You were in the same position as everyone else bar Chelsea and man city, spending what you could afford to spend. Your owners didn't invest in building you, so now you get to spend profligately?
@@Farkmaster This isn't about Newcastle individually. This is about what is fair for everyone. I don't want Newcastle to do things like City or Chelsea did, I am all about doing things the right and fair way. FFP rules are changing at the end of this season and that is when Newcastle get their Adidas money. Why should Newcastle not be allowed to spend that money now ahead of the new season especially when we are the floor with our injuries? Why should Everton be punished for trying to build a new stadium which in turn will earn them more money? Why should Forest be punished for having to buy an entire new squad because they were forced into so many loans the season before? Trying to stay in the league?
The whole thing keeps the status quo without allowing any other team to use money to build a foundation which means they don't have to sell their best players
This is hilarious, I remember back in the days way before their takeover when this guy used to rant every week about Newcastle, he always had a go at City and the spending we did to try and compete with the established top clubs in England but now that his team are trying to do the same NOW FFP is being questioned... can't have it both ways
There was no restrictions back then so why now? Why did the PL have emergency meetings to callude & change multiple rules that nobody had an issue with before now?
Serves him right honestly.
As a City fan the dig this guy has had on our club and Pep Guardiola through the years, let him have that.
To be fair no one was actually enforcing FFP when City was taken over thats why we are only recently hearing about the 115 charges
FFP wasnt around when city were spunking millions?
Of course he was ranting about Newcastle cause it was a cesspool of disappointment and mediocrity for years and years and he stuck by them. If “your” club ever ends up in the same state you’ll be off to JD sports to get your Liverpool jersey asap you plastic glory hunting smoothbrain
City fans literally said what FFP was donkeys years ago and everyone said we were deluded. The difference is City just about managed to get in before the drawbridge was pulled up. City didn’t vote for FFP, everyone else did. So enjoy it guys, your clubs wanted this.
So you're a sellout? Your kids must be proud.
All the European clubs voted for FFP not just the big English clubs. If MC's owners don't like the rule whole of football voted for. Than f**k off!...go & find another sport where u can buy tin pot plastic trophies for the state of Abu Dhabi.
Newcastle voted FOR ffp. They were also one of 9 clubs who also demanded City were investigated. I like Newcastle but turkey's voting for Christmas springs to mind. City's income was the largest in football. More than Real Madrid etc. That's why we can spend. But even City has its limits. Lots of salty statements without knowing anything about MCFC.
@@carlheald9228you seem to think you know what's going on ... please give the people who are confused a breakdown of your explanation ie. Wages paid out , sponsorship deals , tickets and shirt sales etc . I'm looking forward to this , I mean you did say you have the largest income ?
@@carlheald9228do you really believe you have a larger income than Real Madrid, give your head a wobble.
Hate to say this as an Evertonian but Liverpool prove this tantrum is a load of bollocks. Funded winning it all by selling Courtinho, making astute signings, improving players and hiring an elite manager. Eddie Howe is a nice guy but deffo not an elite manager.
Im a city fan and i remember geordie moaning about city spending money. I would always say to other fans you wouldn't complain if some rich oil barren bought your club and made you the best team in the world. Hes changed his tune now a rich oil barren has bought his club
Nothing more that I love than the vein popping out of Bryan’s head when he talks about City’s success 😅🤷🏻♂️
It’s like they’re unaware that city have the best revenue last year and we’ve also sold a lot of players and made lots of commercial value.
@@MikethamancHe’s on about how you man made it here to the point of consistent profitability. That took years of Sheik Mansour’s millions because you guys didn’t always generate the best revenue or have the best players. You needed some financial doping to get off the ground and now it’s a profit system.
@@MikethamancHe is wrong but Man city revenue is heavily manipulated through sponsorship deals and you know this😂😂 Let’s not be deluded. That’s how they’ve doped their way to the apex
@@Mikethamanc I think he's probably more annoyed that you got to massively inflate your value by dumping millions into your club with no effective regulation and now that Newcastle want to do the same they can't.
@@Mikethamancfrom Sun Ji-Hai to Robinho. After finishing 12th.
I think Simon Jordan said something like new owners should be allowed a grace period to spend more than the loss allowance to get their club going. That's probably the smartest way around this issue. It's dangerous to say let clubs spend what they have but also agree it benefits clubs that already spent. I would say a much healthier approach would be to start capping wages and transfer fees somehow or introduce more homegrown player limits for clubs so they are forced to play their own players. Bring everything back into balance rather than let things continue to spiral. If the Newcastle owners spent billions, increased the clubs expenses significantly more than their income and decided to leave... who picks up the tab?
Disagree with you and Jordan. This just disrupts the tradition of the game and will increase the cost of average players, I think the spending cap is perfect especially if everyone adheres to it. We don’t need 300M signings in the future and with teams being allowed a grace period, the selling teams will rinse the buyer for all they can. What we should stop is owners that own multiple clubs trading between one another to help their books.
If the owners increase the clubs expensed they cannot simply leave but sell for a lower price, if you ask me they deserve to lose so much money for being dumb
Jordan is an elitist clown
And you are??@@sesh1255
So, how does a new owner effect significant change in their investment, if they are limited to only spend a small amount? That amount being significantly less than the clubs they have the potential to compete with. I agree, caps would be great, but it doesn't solve the issue being discussed. @@MrBobby7194
Geordie whining about having to play academy players when it was a City academy lad that scored the winning goal 😂
How on earth is Bobb an academy player? He joined when he was 18 having been refused an International transfer certificate to sign for Porto
He is a product of a financially doped scouting set-up who can hoover up anybody. Not like they found him when he was 10
Exactly
Mike Ashley invested nothing in the academy while Man City pour tons of money into theirs. You can't compare Newcastle's academy to Man City's academy.
There is nothing stopping Newcastle from pumping billions into their academy to develop sellable assets or doing expensive PR pushes in other countries to raise global income.
Newcastle are in financial problems because they have made enormous investments on relatively few players, which has come back to bite them when those players get injured, leaving them with most of their original squad
Sounds good... It takes time though it's a long process. You would think investment in new stadiums wouldn't count but I think Everton are waiting to hear on that one.
Them also not willing to sell players apart from saint maximim. Tbf a lot of those players were pretty bad.
@jeriswani6062 It worked for one season ,but should probably rethink that one.
Great response. Chelsea built something huge from this, City have been doing the same
Newcastle are in financial problems? They have money coming out their ears that they are desperate to spend. They haven't spent unreasonably, I think Man City have bought 7 or 8 players more expensive than our most expensive signing, and many more than our 2nd most expensive. (And also there is something stopping Newcastle from pumping billions into their academy, it's called FFP, exactly what this entire video was talking about).
I’m from America and I’m screaming through the tv saying “YOU’VE LOST THE BLOODY PLOT”
First of all it is not FFP restricting Newcastle, it is profit and sustainability (which are the Premier Leagues own rules for financial sustainability of clubs) that is restricting Newcastle. This is going to be emotionally driven misinformation about how unfair this is when these rules are long overdue. Clubs shouldn't be able to inflate their status overnight subject to being taken over by hyperwealthy owners because when they go your club goes. The rules are designed to protect your clubs
Why don't Man City "go" then?
Breached about a million rules
It doesn't protect clubs though, it hamstrings them and can prevent them from climbing the league or send them down it which does the exact opposite of protecting a club. if clubs can't run themselves and go into administration then that's their problem in my view. Fair enough have some sort of regulation, but this isn't it. In Everton's case, because of the building of a stadium not player signings, the main funder of said stadium having to pull out because of a war in Ukraine and losses due to the covid pandemic, we've have had to sell our best players for less than they're worth because of deadlines, which has then contributed to us slipping down the league, which has then caused us to lose more money while the stadium costs were going up due to inflation which PSR doesn't take into account, and now we're getting docked points because of said stadium (not because we've been overspending on players) which could relegate us. That's not protecting a club, that's creating a closed shop at the top of the premier league. It isn't just us either, Forest have spent a lot to try and stay in the league because they only had 14 registered players when they came up and now they're getting punished for it. Newcastle and Villa may have to sell top players to comply. Whether by design or by accident, it protects big 6 clubs and penalises the other 14.
How are you supposed to be successful and sustainable without being allowed to even build a foundation that allows for that? Everton are getting punished a 2nd time again for the initial punishment because they are trying to balance the books while building a brand new stadium. How is getting punished for trying to compete a good thing?
It protects the big 6
@@ziudra91city aren’t even getting charged for stuff like this so, you so quick to try and pull a be trap card
You guys need to remember the prem will be at a level playing field when pep leaves coz that system is near unbreakable at the moment. It is a machine with one of the best conductors and operators
Such a selective indignation from these peoples...I remember them crying when clubs like Chelsea or Man city spent a lot of money on their teams. He was crying about how unfair that was...
I can't believe the penny hasn't dropped yet, fifteen years on. This was always about protecting Man united, Liverpool and Arsenal, Man City have fought against the odds to beat the system up to now.
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And they failed miserably trying to control the league now hanging on epl with 115 charges😂
What sucks is you guys had a really progressive conversation going & then you turned it into a Man City vent session towards the end.
Fulham have one of the richest owners in the league and they can’t spend because of ffp it’s a joke
Amazing how big Geordie has changed his tune once Newcastle have come in to money after calling city for it.. hypothetically big time 😅😅😅😅
This'll be a long comment... I had a point and then the video kept going to I had to rebut some of it.
I've said FFP was put in place with one of the goals being to protect the big clubs and revenue for over a decade but now that it's effecting Newcastle TG decides it's an issue. The best thing they ever did when they brought in FFP was add the second word, "Fair". If it was just called Financial Guidance or something dull there would be a completely different narrative but because it has the "Fair" branding it changes how people perceive it.
Money has always been a driving force in the game. The reason why teams like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal can now spend more is because they had decades of investment and success which means they have more revenue which means they can spend more. How is that fair on a team that has investment available but can't compete because more people will watch the bigger team and they have more fans. Why is it fair on a sporting level that Man Utd can generate so much more by being on the stock market with so much revenue that they can spend more that Newcastle despite Utd being labored with debt.
My analogy I use is if you were buying a house and say it was listed at £200k and you had that in cash but you weren't allowed to buy it because your salary wasn't above a certain level. Yet someone else comes along has a higher salary takes out a loan and they can buy. It's such a strange system that allows the rich to stay rich and punishes those that don't already generate tons of money, kinda hard to do that without major investment which is what Man City and Chelsea did.
Rebuttal 1:
It's only envitable that City win titles because Pep has raised the bar and other have failed to match it and thats down to poor management or lack of investment. Utd and Chelsea have spent plenty but have failed to spend well and Liverpool failed to invest to maintain the level they were at which is the reason Liverpool fans were against FSG for a while. Wasn't that they couldn't invest, FSG chose not to.
Rebuttal 2:
You can't use player valuations as a way to introduce a cap because who does the valuations and what are they based on. City bought Alvarez for £14m, do you go off the transfer fee or some wild value that some hypothetical club might pay for them. What if you have an insane academy and a team full of graduates that would go for a huge money, does that mean you can't buy anyone because the team valuation is already high. Value is what the market determines and a fee is only valid for that moment in time. There are lots of ways to improve FFP or try to make things "fair" but that is a silly idea.
Rebuttal 3:
The PL is massively competitive, look at each season in this Man City era. There are only 2 title wins that City completely dominated and that was the Centurion season and the season they went on a 15 game winning run. Twice Liverpool took it to the wire and last year Arsenal threw it away. The margins are very fine that on another day it could have been 3 titles to Liverpool in that time.
Rebuttal 4:
The charges City are facing, if proven true, they did for the exact reason FFP is now being complained about. It hamstrings clubs so City got creative. We don't know if they stepped over the line yet that is for the PL to prove. And yes Haaland did move to City for the transfer fee report, would there have been other payments yes of course but that is the case for every transfer. You can poke at the Haaland deal and all you'll find is the same thing that is everywhere else in football.
Final thing:
Love how they cut out the part of TG being corrected that Academy and other similar investments are not included in FFP calculations so nothing is stopping them investing there.
6:29, and the one title Man city lost was by 2 points? Liverpool literally had the second biggest margin of points in PL history, they won by 18 points lol.
Did they get an extra title for that ?
@@paulw3765 as a matter of fact yeah, how about that.
I came for the True Geordie meltdown over Man City and this didn't disapoint 🤣
They are ignoring the fact that city and chelsea were winning things and consistently in champs league while they were spending, that would have allowed that extra spending due to upped revenue, if newcastle won the league last year after that intitial investment, or progressed further in champs league this year, then theyd have more to spend… youve spent well but not progressed, so you cant spend more until you do
the only way to solve this is a premier league wide budget cap in conjunction with FFP - not FFP on it's own that allows the richest clubs to get richer
Message to fans of clubs complaining that they can’t spend due to FFP. Tell your club to grow its revenues, clean up your image to be appealing to premium sponsors, build a bigger stadium (doesn’t count to FFP expenses), as unpalatable as it sounds raise season tickets price (Chelsea is raising them for first time in 12 years for next season), drive retail revenues, work with top e-commerce and CRM companies understand where you can drive sales. It’s not rocket science. And stop complaining. That’s a big turn off to sponsors and partners.
chelsea and united spend more than city like its a fact they spend more and achieve far less
Brian would've said none of this two years ago.
Imagine if Newcastle never got bought. Sure he’d be signing a different tune. This is good for all football. Not just 6 teams or 20 teams. But the entire football period.
This dude is an absolute hypocrite
City became second with like 20-30 points to first place not 2 points, when Liverpool won the league
It was 18 points
😊😊😊 covid title jog on pal
The league wasn’t competitive through the 90s Utd won 3 in a row twice, up to 2012 4 teams had won the league, since then 5 have won it.
He’s mad about FFP and it’s quite apparently he doesn’t understand how it actually works lol this is hilarious
“Man U can’t get the players now cause city have a better academy” aye welcome to city in the 90s
It what happens when you spend ridiculous over priced players,
Barnes £44m u be lucky to recoup half that.
Gordon £45m u over paid t least £15m for him.
Then you need to look at scouting department and ask why was no checks done when you signed Tonali as anybody who did do checks would see a player whos been investigated and faces potential ban and not spend £55m on player with huge wages
Who inflated that market? Chelsea and Man Utd spending £80M+ on PL unproven players means someone half decent with PL experience costs £40M+. And by the way Gordon has probably doubled in value this season
The arsenal fan talking about it preventing clubs from competing, after his club spend half a billion before they even get champions league money. He is actually clueless
The reason man city are so dominant is pep other teams have spent more than us in the last five years and are languishing mid table you need the foundations in position to create stability these clowns havent got a clue what they are on about
How are we talking about man city just buying the title for LAST 7 years. When city have not spent as much as Chelsea man Chester United, even arsenal has spending crazy last few seasons. Just give us our credit.
Man City won their first title in 13/14. Starting that season here is how many points they’ve had relative to the highest non city team:
+2
-8
-15
-15
+19
+1
-18
+12
+1
+5
I would hardly call that inevitable. Also, man City basically spent the same amount of money as the other top 6 sides during this reign. Like why should Man U’s academy just get the top players? Where do we draw the line
Asking Newcastle to sell Bruno and Isak is like asking Man City to tell Harland, Rodri and KDB………..never going to happen.
It's not FFP anymore, it's profit and sustainability. This puts it in line with UEFA rules, even if Newcastle went out and spent what they wanted, they wouldn't be able to play in Europe without proving they are spending less than they generate
It’s crazy to think this issue Brian and Newcastle fans have with FFP could have been resolved by you know doing some simple research. Usually when you talk pure nonsense your co-host would step in and correct you but not gonna happen now since Brian can only surround himself around yes-men and he can never admit to being wrong.
Kids this is why you don’t live in an echochamber of yes men. Don’t become fragile like Brian.
The point went way over your head 😂 ffp has been around 15 years and newcastle got taken over 2 years ago.. the system in place clearly favours clubs that had the most value from the moment ffp came into play whether that be through players, facilities or staff .. many clubs have been complaining about that with years 😂 only reason newcastle fans haven’t been is because or previous owner made profit most years so it was far from an issue we encountered before 😂 guessing you support a big 6 team ?
City fans called this out years ago - the FFP would only benefit the traditional 6 clubs. When City were bought in 2008, FFP came into play in 2009, with a mind to stop City and any other club breaking up the cartel. If you are worried about clubs going to the wall, then look at how much debt the clubs are carrying and can it be paid off (money is secured) immediately
Man chill out, it's just going to take time to build the squad properly... I'm glad FFP is starting to work... It's a high time this need for instant gratification stop In football.
the corruption is obvious. the EPL is in danger of losing the top spot league. Seria A holds ALL clubs accountable and is very competitive. La liga is mostly a 2 team league but lets include Atletico. then you have Bundesliga that is also a 2 team league although some would say its now just Munich. Ligue 1 is PSG and that's it. if I'm going to invest time in watching a league i want to know its not going to be MASSIVELY subservient to the biggest clubs. Sport is ONLY sport because its fair and equal. otherwise we should just call it what it is. Entertainment like WWE.
Being owned by literal countries and ruining the game with billions of pounds is good actually. I agree with Brian
A great example again of why football fans should shut up about business and finances. Most have no clue how it works but it doesn’t stop them blabbing about it.
So when FFP stung Everton it was funny but now its happening to Newcastle its terrible 😂
As a man city fan who experienced hate when chelsea didn’t, or rules that were made for us. And listening to the same arguments I made as true geordie did in this video. You use to be on the complete opposite side until your team experienced the same thing
Your 100% absolutely correct every team should be able to spend the same. City can't overspend same as the rest and are nowhere near biggest spenders. United over a billion in debt and counting. Everton treated appallingly Newcastle now suffering due to not being able to spend. Chelsea fan makes me laugh they weren't arsed when they were winning?? Oil state run clubs 😂 It's the American (4) cartel running the show City are stopping them. David Gill pulling the strings within the FA trying to put Utd back on top.
It is not just a case of Newcastle being impatient, they’ve had new owners for like 3 transfer windows. FFP has just made it so they can’t just come in a buy everyone right away. It’ll be a slow process but they’ll get there.
You literally just described impatience.
We've had 4 full transfer windows. In the first we bought the players that kept us in the Premier League. In the second, we bought the players that got us into the Champions League. In the third we bought Anthony Gordon (didn't do much until this season), in the fourth we bought Tino Livramento, Lewis Hall* (both meant to be "ones for the future") and two players for the first team who have played about 6 games between them before getting injured or suspended. We won't bring in anyone this window but we will have capacity to make 2, maybe 3 first-team ready signings in the summer. So next season we can expect to have the team that got us into the ECL, plus Gordon, Tonali, Barnes, Livramento who already looks first-team ready, 2 new top quality first team players (my guess is striker and central defender), and an injury distribution closer to the division average.
We might be looking back on our current frustrations and laughing, a year from now.
Bryan is selling his point short when it comes to FFP. Over the last five or more windows Chelsea and Manchester United have spent more money than City in terms of transfers. Chelsea are living proof now that money doesn’t guaranteed success unless you’re trying to bring in a superstar name. Given the current market it’s almost impossible for any club to sustain such massive wages for several top players.
This lot need to listen to the 2 most recent Athletic football podcasts. Then perhaps they'll have an understanding of what they're talking about
Ffp was brought in 11/12 city wad taken over in 2008 Chelsea even further back.... But i believe clubs with new owners should be able to invest in there business for a period of time in the beginning as with any business
Maybe just because it’s my club but spurs never signed big players on big wages and even went like 500 days without any transfers, instead invested in facilities and sponsor deals so you have multiple revenue streams, that whilst constantly selling players and tickets/ merchandise enables you more leeway with ffp
FFP was originally intended to stop clubs overstretching themselves financially and to even up the playing field between the top clubs and the rest. But that is not what has happened. It has basically ensured the top 6 will never be challenged as FFP rules prevent clubs like Newcastle and Villa from joining them. I think we are hoing to see a revision of theses rules next year as Newcastle had 14 years of zero investment under Ashley. Surely they should be allowed to catch up? How is that not fair? There is zero chance pf Newcastle becoming financially overstretched. So why can't they be allowed to compete with Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal? What are they afraid of? Real competition?
exactly.. i can't see how the fans can't see this..
Most of the old fans are Mu/Liv/Ars fans anyway, their club either spend unresponsibly, or they are stingy and spend nothing at all. They were afraid and jealous of the changes. this whole ffp idea is just a gatekeeping to block other team to join big 6. So that's why im happy for at least city managed to able to do this, before the FFP are stricter
true geordie 5 years ago: OIL MONEY DESTROY FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!! true geordie now: WHY CANT WE BUY MBAPPE AND WIN THE LEAGUE, ITS A COSPIRACYYYYY
The reason that City can spend big is because of the income. Turnover is now £ 712 million and we recorded a profit of £ 80 million in 2022. Add in last years prize monies etc from 2023, and sales of players, we're in a very healthy position to spend big, if we need. Next thing, UEFA will find another way to stop us
Issue is that it wasn't 7 years ago. Yet they spent like it was. Like it or not, our 10 points is gonna be a hug compared to what you all get
Dream on
A salary cap with luxury tax system would be the right way to do it. Big clubs can spend to their hearts’ content, but their surplus spending gets taxed and distributed amongst the lower spending EPL sides/championship clubs
They won’t do it because it’s an American concept and British can’t see past that because they’re fools. We have a level of parody in in our leagues that the prem has ever seen
I like the American model but what you don't seem to understand is you have one closed shop league which barely has any competition. The euro league is the next best thing but is so far below the nba it doesn't come close.
The Premier league has multiple European rival leagues, plus the likes of Saudi. The prem can't have a salary cap unless all the leagues do otherwise they can't stay competitive, then the clubs will suffer.
Then there is the issue of transfer fees which doesn't exist in American sport. A huge cost to clubs which is totally market driven and required to maintain competitiveness for clubs
Also the nba has always had an issue with the big market teams scooping up free agents and big trades.
Yes it is, always has been. Started with the big clubs in Italy and Spain as a way to reign in the premier league and now taken on by premier league as a way to protect the big six.
Forget city, they pumped money in before the rules became more stringent and non- negotiable. I'm a Forest fan, we're in the Dock, because we knew we were over FFP, so we had to sell our prize asset, Brennan Johnson, unfortunately it didn't get over the line in time, (6 weeks too late) so the 47.5million doesn't count towards it. Its harsh and I accept it and whatever comes our way, we will Survive and stay up!!
There are things not including buying players that a rich owner can spend money on. That is what City have done. City are only now seeing reward from that investment.
Wonder if there will be a video on the article which came out today regarding Newcastles owners? Seems like a much bigger issue to me…..
The fact Geordie forgets about the cash splashed in mid 90s trying to do a Blackburn that got them relegated down the line is comical 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 All that waffling about man city, now look at you trying to be us, after we explained ffp is to prevent new big clubs emerging
Like I know the arguement he’s making is cause he wants Newcastle to spend but he has a point. It’s so restrictive to the point clubs like Newcastle and Villa etc can never realistically compete on a year on year basis, the rules are so catered to the top 6. It’s even at the stage where those clubs wanting to compete can’t even get high sponsorship deals unless it meets their ‘market value’. So basically you can only get huge deals if you’re a big club, it’s wrong and anti competitive.
Yeah because Tottenham, a 'Big 6' club, one of the most financially stable clubs in terms of FFP, need protection. Right.
Bro I called this. When other teams finally try to be ambitious and realize that FFP, despite you having the richest owner in world football, stops you from investing and building your squad without having to make big sacrifices, then people will start siding with City and their fans. FFP is not good for the sport, and unless you are exceptionally fortunate, most of the teams who aren't at the top now, will never be. Certainly not for a sustained period of time
Totally agree with you , there's nothing fair about FFP , it's to stop ambitious new owners coming in to challenge the established big teams who built their successes on spending big before FFP .
How about they implement it like Formula 1. The team that finishes 1st spends the least. And the subsequent teams spend bigger, with the last placed team spending the most (17th team probably)
Every team agreed to the rules. Newcastle need to shut up and get on with it. Wasted money on poor players like Chris Wood. It’s their own fault.
Chelsea were massively undervalued at £ 130 million and already in the Top 4 when Abramovich bought them, to say a smart business owner shouldn't been able to invest in a club while it's value rose to £ 2.5 billion is ridiculous.
Chelsea were weeks from going bust due to debts from gambling on regular champions league football before Abramovich saved them
Transfer fees were settling down until he turned up and spent millions. Other clubs couldn't compete
They should implement a sort of Formula 1 style 'FFP Limit' for teams. The better you do, the stricter the FFP regulations are, the lower down you are the more money you're allowed to spend before triggering FFP regulations. Sure that might not help teams that don't have a huge amount of money anyway but it does mean well-run clubs that manage to stay in the Premier League for a number of years will be able to build from from a stable platform without being punished. Teams like Fulham, Brentford, Wolves, Crystal Palace would be allowed to spend £30-40m per season more than the Top 4 and whilst that won't make a huge different in the short term, after 5-6 years that's £180-240m extra they could potentially spend without punishment.
Issues grew from the Premier League redistributing the money awarded in the game for position you finished in the league you were in. Need to redistribute the wealth so more flows down to the other teams. Will go some way to addressing the imbalance in wealth. TV money could be split better too giving more air time to the other teams. Create better balance for all divisions.
It went to the final day twice which is very competitive and last year arsenal spent 80% of last season at the top of the league it is competitive. It’s greatness United done it and Liverpool done it before them teams go through periods of dominance
Brain cooked here, it's going to fall on deaf ears because people seem to think it "cool" to not "make excuses" or "cry" City and okay, I've personally given up on this discussion because reality is doing all the talking at this point
Its not Even FFP many of the clubs have trouble with now, so Nice reasearch by the channel.
When I was much younger I worked fot BT in sales. As BT had inherited a load of infrastructure & real estate from the days of state ownership, they were heavily regulated to a point where they weren't allowed to sell their media packages anywhere near as cheap as the likes of Sky, Plusnet, TalkTalk etc.
FFP should look something like this. No point in allowing 25% of the athletes to use steroids in the 4 years before the Olympic games then banning their use the day before it starts!
Man city have spent 10 years fighting ffp and you are blaming them for it
Brian's so right. The PL " We want a PL that's competitive " Newcastle " We can challenge, Mike Ashley spend nothing fof 15 years. Can we spend some money ? " PL " NO!!!! ". Crazy you have a Club like Newcastle, with massive massive potential wanting to break into the top 6 and the PL aren't letting them. The big " six " - yeh right, are petrified of Newcastle. They just are.
Hang on.
Whatever the value is of the most expensive squad is what everyone should be allowed to spend, that way we're all the same.
Not at all, that just ensures the team with the richest owners will spend the most money knowing that, although other clubs are technically allowed to, they don't have the resource to keep up.
What a fucking idiotic statement.
City and Chelsea were built over 10+ years of consistent investment in the academy, infrastructure, commercialising. Even then, commercially they’re still only a fraction of the established 3.
These rules are good, they will protect all clubs from themselves, particularly now they are starting to be enforced. Just need to take the black and white specs off to see it
Brian going on about sponsorships, haven't newcaslte mostly got these new sponsorships with Saudi companies? thats not exactly fair, newcastle's owners are getting money from companies linked to their own friends, bosses, government etc, thats not fair at all
It’s funny how Newcastle are crying about FFP yet they were 1 of the clubs that voted it in under Ashley . I didn’t hear them crying
Everton got that 2nd charge which includes the years they were already hit for on the last charge, they getting a double tap by FFP
The way to beat it is smart recruiting. Take Brighton’s model, buying for pennies selling for huge fees. Eventually they will be able to build a squad which can compete with the big six. I totally get the frustration and I agree the rules are completely wrong but they are there and we have to deal with it now. As a wolves fan, excellent recruitment saved us from FPP in the summer. Selling Nunes for big money and replacing him with Lemina, Doyle and Bellegarde is superb considering they have had the same impact he had. I expect us to unfortunately sell Neto in the summer then we can look into other markets and replace him for half the price and have money to buy other players. It’s a slow process but if clubs adopt a strategy which focuses on recruitment and the academy it can eventually work.
This is exactly what it is don’t think they wanted city in if I’m honest but couldn’t stop it so there doing it to Newcastle now.
Stadium and training ground infrastructure improvements are not part of FFP. Why can’t Newcastle improve the training ground?
Eagles have said they are up last 2 seasons by 40% so when addidas comes in and sela deals next season we will be up more than 70%
But the overall revenue won’t be much due to the broadcasting revenue which is due to how well you do this season.
the player haaland showed he is makes people think he couldn’t of gone for 60m.
They put a £60m release clause when he was signed from Salzburg. U can’t then say he didn’t go for that much because he turned into a player that’s worth much more. It was a £60m release clause,u don’t see people calling Antony fee a lie it’s only to suit there argument
Fucking hell, Everton fans have been going on about this for years and now its starting to effect other clubs you're now taking notice.
Bravo Brian, as a geordie who bogged off to Canada many years ago and watches the American sport model, it aint perfect but it does level the playing field, there are no Man C here regardless of the sport. FFP is a joke and illegal in any other business, why it hasn't been challenged by us boggles my mind. It reminds me of the Bosman situation winning players rights.
Ffp should be focused on clubs not borrowing beyond their means. That would stop clubs going out of business. The Newcastle issue is anything but that. Wealthy owners who are not allowed to invest in their own club because they have not had success 😕
Is it just me or does that guy Masters from the EPL look like he has no idea..."que mr bean music"
They need to put a max limit on spending for every club. Every season plain and simple.
Is your arsenal fella in the Nike jumper have one of them speech things where you pronounce “R” as a “W” but he actually still pronounces his “R”s 😂😂😂 I can’t put my finger on it 😂
The question is what do you want, the closed shop up the top is far from ideal….however the alternative is the likes of PSG and City inflating the market at will forcing these big clubs to stretch financially such as Barcelona and Man Utd who run themselves into oblivion.
The next top 6 then consists of teams with questionable owners with zero financial risk ever inflating the market, lining the pockets of the wrong people and diluting the sport.
Football NEEDS REGULATION.
I’m choosing option 1.
The one title city lost they weren’t two points off 😂 they didn’t even come 2nd
They did finish 2nd.
Chelsea and man city are not the example, them days are gone! Look at Liverpool, Villa and Spurs! Fantastically run clubs who have had to sell players to build, Liverpool sold Coutinho to find, Spurs sold Kane to fund. And Villa have got themselves a great manager, and bought superbly! Brighton another example, great recruitment right, then you can build and improve! The only thing that needs to change is the 105m amount.
And now Villa have to sell because they will breach FFP next season. Great system….