Love the final cut of this scene. They don't show the audience, the applause, the curtains close. Because Andrew didn't care about what the audience thought or any of that. All he wanted was Fletcher's approval which he finally got when Fletcher smiled at him.
I see it as Neiman's defeat: not only did he come back to his old ways, but he also gave up his newfound leadership to Fletcher, allowing him to conduct and command him again. So yes Neiman outdid Fletcher, but ultimately lost by participating in Fletcher's dirty game, and allowing him to conduct again - after beating Terrence, Andrew ultimately chose to lose.
No it’s liberty. Perfect synchronization between two pieces of the symphony. A balance of power so to speak. Andrew took back his power with the initial unexpected solo, only to give it back during the transition. Without one another and the other pieces of orchestra, they wouldn’t have created the pure beauty of the song or scene in its entirety. Relinquishing the power dynamic back to him doesn’t mean Andrew was defeated, it meant he finally knew how to abide by Fletcher’s tactics while implementing his own into them simultaneously to create pure art. That’s unison in music and in the madness to reach the ultimate goal which was near perfection. For both of them.
@@wserthmar8908 No, Andrew won. All he wanted is Fletcher's approval and in the end he got it. Fletcher here represents the harshest critic any professional can get, the man who never says "Good Job" and in that last smile he got that "Good Job" from him, so he achieved the perfection, that very high level in this craft that will guarantee bright future for him. Fletcher won't be able to take it back, change it, belittle him ever again, he was in awe from Andrew's performance and that was obvious to anyone. Fletcher as a video game boss is defeated, next level - Greatness.
@@georgefromjungle5211 , Andrew either should’ve not come back at all, or should’ve stopped when he did that awesome super-fast performance, in order to finish on his terms. But he both played the dirty game Fletcher offered, and when he did outplay him, gave up. Andrew's obsession with music is highlighted by him wearing dark and black clothes, and him wearing bright, white T-shirts was while he was being fine in the beginning of the film, and after his fall out with Fletcher.
@@wserthmar8908you missed the part where Andrew told Fletcher that HE will queue him he didn't lose Fletcher was no longer in control and he still got his approval for it
It's not this simple and I don't see how you come to this conclusion after watching the movie. This movie asks a question if the result of excellence can ever excuse the methods. Does the mental anguish of all of Fletcher's students excuse one student (who also has major issues due to Fletcher) reaching the pinnacle of success? Does absolute excellence for 0.1% justify methods which will negatively impact well-being of the 99.9%? Fletcher finally finds his outstanding pupil and he likely sees this as a form of redemption of his methods. But he also faced massive personal consequences and he tried to destroy Andrew at the end before Andrew turned things around. There aren't easy answers to this but the film did an outstanding job of highlighting the dilemma. But Fletcher didn't "win".
i really like the symbolism the director put in this ending. on one end, the father is witnessing his son being engulfed by madness, obsession, and insanity; the other, Fletcher seeing Neiman as if he is proud of created the monster he became, and Neiman forgetting every abusive thing Fletcher did, all in one smile. J.K. Simmons definitely deserved the award for his role.
the son is engulfed by incredible music. It's not for everyone, and most people could never understand. What it means to give every part of your life to achieve one goal, it's beautiful.
I remember watching this in the theater and there were only like 6 people in there, and I remember thinking to myself, "People do not know what they are missing."
"Neiman's dad is in awe!" *"Jim watches Andrew -- crazed, exhausted, looks like he’s pushing himself past what is safe -- and knows there is no longer anything he can do about it. He has lost."* -The official Whiplash movie script
The thing I really like about this scene is how the audience doesn’t need to be there at all. They are performing in front of an audience, but the only reactions we need to see are Andrews fathers and fletchers. The audience does not matter at all
@@MrRufioooo Still Fletcher. Neiman is the victim of an abusive teacher-student relationship. The same thing happens a lot in places like Asia where there's a ton of pressure to be the best in school/exams, resulting in severe mental health issues and even suicide (as was even mentioned in the movie with Fletcher's previous student). Either way it's still a bad thing.
Both Flecher and Andrew got exactly what they both wanted. One was determined to be remembered as one of the greatest drummers ever and the other was determined to find the next great player. Flecher may be a monster in the abusive and manipulative ways he went about finding that player, but Andrew is just as big of a monster in the way he was willing to discard anyone he was close to without a second thought and how he was willing to torture himself to be the musician he felt he was destined to be. As much as Flecher wanted to create a monster, Andrew was wanting to become one, and was completely fine with anything he had to do in order to make that happen.
@@ProducerO it looks like even the director doesn't know how to take this final. His only advise is that Andrew didn't have a happy end, but he already said he didn't want one. He want to become great, a legend, and that's a thing everyone should learn. That sometimes, some people is more focused in themselfs and their goals.
The best part is, you literally see how Andrew pretty much begins to act just as volatile and selfish as Fletcher. That side to him was literally always there. Fletcher just knew the right ways to dig it out.
@@ambskater97 The dichotomy between Andrew's father and Fletcher symbolizes this. The father is loving and caring, and ultimately wants Andrew to have a good life. Fletcher, in contrast, wants artistic success whatever the personal cost for his musicians may be. He even drove one of his students to suicide. Andrew going backstage to his dad is the inflection point and ultimate resolution of this conflict. Andrew backs away from his dad and ultimately resolves to choose Fletcher (i.e. artistic success) over his father (a good life).
This ending is brilliant. You see the anger and stress melt away from Fletcher’s face as he sees Neiman as the star he was looking for. Not to mention when he says “Andrew what’re you doing man”. He says it with a different tone, as if they are equals and he’s just confused instead of Fletcher insulting him.
He addresses him as Andrew when they coincide at the Jazz Club but that was either because he was not his student and not under his "control" (as a boss would call his employer by their last name) or to give him a false sense of security and lend him into a trap. But this tame, due to context and tone of voice, it feels like he's referring to him as a colleague, an equal just like OP said.
Coby at the end, he wasn’t pushing his students hard enough to create a star he was looking for. Only when he was actually going to break Andrew, his talent showed up.
I love how Andrew seems like he is in a flow trance after the sound goes quiet for a bit, and how Fletcher notices this too and realizes he needs to 'direct' Andrew a bit. Not because he didnt think Andrew couldnt perform adequately without direction, but because he was so in the flow and disassociated that he actually needed those few cues to remind him what he was doing.. his drumming demanded so much of his attention that he needed to be reminded of external reality again
Truly one of the masterpieces of the modern era. The Protagonist and Antagonist both achieve their ultimate goal in the exact same scene, at exactly the same time. The look they share at the end and silence in that moment is so impactful, it's the culmination of both of their lives and everything good or bad that has led them to that exact moment together, a moment suspended in time.
@@nehh_aksat The whole thing the antagonist was trying to do, throughout the whole film, was to make Neuman hate him basically, as a means to make him better as a drummer. He saw the hate towards him as a means to an end, a trial by fire sort of deal. The final scene of the movie starts with Fletcher trying to get revenge, but it quickly turns into Neuman showing off his skills, purely out of spite. In the final moment, the two, who had been hateful towards each other the entire time, look at each other, and in this moment Neuman realizes that Fletcher’s plan worked flawlessly. Even though what he did was evil in many ways, Neuman came out of it a godlike drummer. Neuman won by spiting Fletcher and proving himself to him, and Fletcher won by seeing the whole mess he started come to fruition. The look they give each other says it all; they still hate each other with a passion, but even so they have a newfound respect for each other. Sorry if this was too rambly; I just absolutely adore the final moment of this film in terms of “show don’t tell”.
@@nehh_aksat watch the bar scene, fletcher admits he knows he’s ruthless on all his students because he wants to make the next jazz great and he thinks that only a great would put up with his bullying without quitting. This scene is Andrew showing that after all that extra training he had to put in because fletcher kept pushing him down despite being extremely talented (he admits in that scene he literally replaced Andrew with a worse drummer to make him work harder to get position back, which I believe is true but you could argue he’s lying in that scene to get him on stage for this) has made Andrew into a drummer on the path to being one of the greats which is also Andrews goal throughout the movie. So they both get what they want
@@nehh_aksat Neiman got what he needed, validation from his mentor of being a drummer by playing a memorable solo and Fletcher got what he needed, crafting his Charlie Parker moment by validating everyone he ever pushed and hurt, was worth it for this singular moment. You're right, this is truly one of a kind in that you have two opposites reach the same climax and end point.
@@AquaConGas ur kinda saying the same thing he did and ur saying he's wrong ur the kind of people who make everyone say "who the fuck is this shitwipe"
I love how they didn’t completely show Fletcher smiling. J.K. knocked this role out of the park. edit: after reading the replies and rewatching the scene, I’m pretty firmly convinced that Fletcher isn’t smiling, rather he’s telling Neiman “good job”
@@Yell0wRocketMan thank you, the exact comment i was looking for. this should be pinned. i 100% have believed, since i first saw the money, that he MUST have said that to close the arc at the end. "The worst thing you can say to a man is 'Good Job'." -- Also, what does that say about how Fletcher views Neiman, even at the end? Bitter sweet I guess. Then again, it seems like Fletcher's percieved notion of Neiman's 'best' is still pretty fucking amazing. the idea of wasted potential and complacency is so prominent in this movie, and just like the real world, there is no clear answer -- just a game of trade offs between satisfaction & effort.
For me it's the few moments he takes to just WATCH him right after that. Fletcher is hyped as fuck and credit to Simmons for the acting, especially that gesture where you cover your mouth and drop your hand off. Perfect. Not enough actors know how to act with every finger.
True, I admire writers and directors that can express something in such a sutil way ,like you say here , with that little gesture you can tell he won his respect
"And he's laughed off-stage. Cries himself to sleep that night, but the next morning, what does he do? He practices. And he practices and he practices with one goal in mind, never to be laughed at again. And a year later, he goes back to the Reno and he steps up on that stage, and plays the best motherfucking solo the world has ever heard." Fletcher found his Charlie Parker.
huh. just realized that this is almost exactly what happened. fletcher queued a song andrew didn't know so he was shunned offstage, but after crying he got back up and played his best solo.
Where his dad looks on at 2.00 is one of the best shots in cinema. He looks shocked, scared even. No big cheesy grins. It's his realisation of what his son is/has become. Another level of expression that is beyond the attainment or understanding of most people
Agree with you! That facial expression is also found in the ending of “Jawbone” movie when jimmy’s trainer actually realizes jimmy is going to knock the Opponent out.
And it's because he knows he's lost his son, and that he will die a young obsessive, like the great musicians he mentioned at their family dinner scene. He'd rather die young and be remembered, and his dad just wants him to live his life and be happy.
That moment when his father actually "sees" his son in his own element for the first time. He wasn't his son, he was a beast, a master of his craft, pure expression. INCREDIBLE MOVIE.
It's funny looking back at the movie from this moment. When Andrew turned his back on music and was more healthy and sane, he never looked so directionless and lost. When Andrew relapsed into music, beating away at the drums in sheer agony, he never looked so alive and invigorated. And it all goes back to one line that Andrew himself said at the dinner table. One little line that everyone in his family shrugged off. "I'd rather die drunk, broke at 34 and have people talk about me than live to be rich and sober at 90 and nobody remember who I was." He wanted this. He wanted to suffer for his music than to suffer in mediocrity. He wanted to be one of the greats, but nobody believed that he can do it. Nobody but Fletcher. In Jim's mind, Fletcher was the monster that was preying on his hapless son. But in that moment, he realized that the monster he was supposed to stop was Andrew all along. Fletcher simply lured that monster out of him.
@@wojak-sensei6424 VERY well said man, this movie is definitely one of my favorites and struck a chord with me as I was contemplating being a musician when I was younger. Great comment!
no i think his dad was concerned that he is good and this is his life and its gonna be a sad lonely life. and the directed hinted that nemon ends up commiting suicide like the other student fletcher was mentoring
i love the part where Fletcher fixes Neiman's cymbal. Even through such an intense scene that is already telling its own story of the culmination of talent, the filmmakers manage to advance the relationship between these two some more.
They started out with the story of how the teacher threw a cymbal at charlie parker, Fletcher always wanted a charlie parker, and now, he is fixing neyman's cymbal. He has more than he could have dreamed of.
One of my favorite parts about this ending scene is how completely inconsequential the audience is to the whole performance. The only reaction we need to see from the perspective of any viewer is the father's, who is torn between not understanding his son's motivations in returning to the stage, and the awe of his son's talent manifested. Other than that, the last ~10 minutes of the movie features no interaction with the audience, no reaction shots, no applause. The director simply consolidates all of the audience's possible emotions onto the face of the father -- confusion, awe, possibly fear.
And also, I really like how the lighting is employed not only to blur what little screen time that the theater audience has, but also to give tremendous emphasis on the performance of the actors. The lighting is bright, but not warm the way a familiar sports bar is warm with its yellow overhead lights and a flickering neon sign buzzing like a fridge. It has a way of emphasizing that there are only two people of consequence here, and what's happening here is truly, truly tremendous, but not good. Damien Chazelle is one young genius.
I don't know. It can be interpreted in many ways which is why the movie is so beautiful. You know, its like a Tarantino film, lots of different angles that you could take the story and his intentions with it. Personally I think that the Dad finally saw what was inside of Andrew's head, and was witnessing his full potential, and his greatness. I think the Dad served as like, the outside world finally understanding what Andrew wanted. But either way the acting by the Father is top notch and definitely evokes horror, so I see why many interpret it that way.
I've been drumming for 13 years and every time I watch this scene I end up weeping. Most of the time drums are seen as a supportive instrument that drive the rhythm, but here you can see the beauty and primal, yet controlled energy of an incredible jazz performance. It's incredible to see something you are so passionate about articulated in a perfect moment of beauty. I fucking love this film.
I'm a little bit late. I used to have the same thought that the drum is just a supportive instrument nothing more nothing less. after that, I have been into Jazz and at that time I knew I was wrong, Drum is the backbone of Jazz
@Bad Lieutenant gonna say something really controversial: im not a huge fan of Buddy Rich, could never get into him for some reason! Do you have any recommendations that might? I've always been more drawn to "band" drummers like Zach Hill, Danny Heifetz (Mr Bungle) and Yussuf Dayes
@@TheRealBibwitHarte Have you ever listened to Gogo Penguin? While they have seperated with their OG drummer, anything with him in it is a classic to me
@@TheRealBibwitHarte Also, Antonio Sanchez (Look into the Birdman OST) is an incredible drummer, came across his stuff from songs from Birdman being suggested. That said, from what ive really enjoyed has been more solo drumming bits
A bad director/producer would have added thundering applause from the audience, Fletcher and Neiman hugging laughing patting each other's back, Neiman's dad crying a river with pride and all kinds of usual Hollywood crap lol
The croud cheering when the camera goes black wouldn't really be a bad idea. I think it would be satisfying a little. But i love the way it ended regardless. And also a bad director would fuck up a lot of shit in this movie, like how often the camera turns in this scene giving the viewer a literal "whiplash"
The father losing his son interpretation is an interesting one but I had a different one. Throughout the movie, you see how Neiman’s family never truly understand his dedication to music, almost considering his profession as useless. And that specific cut says a lot, it shows how his father truly and finally witnesses the genius of his son.
Agreed, that's exactly my take on it. To me, his was a look of shock, awe, and pure astonishment at what his son was so madly passionate about. And he could finally witness that which his son found so beautiful, all in a dynamite spectacle of a stupendous drumming solo.
2:16 is my favorite part. When Fletcher realizes Neiman has reached savage level beast mode, proud is an understatement. He looks like Frankenstein bringing his monster to life lol.
@@ryanmac323 Victor Frankenstein was the scientist that create the monster or Frankenstein's monster, but many people call it "Frankenstein" maybe to be short. The original poster was totally accurate when he mentioned "He looks like Frankenstein bringing his monster to life"
Except Fletcher *isn't* proud of him. Fletcher proves himself incapable of caring about anything other than people regarding *him* as a genius. Neiman is little more than a creature that justifies his own ego and self-obsession. He *killed* the guy who came before Neiman by driving him to suicide. All Fletcher cares about is that his name will be mentioned as the "one who shaped and molded true musical genius." Neiman's ultimately letting himself be used because even though Fletcher is sadistic and unfeeling, he *understands* him, which is something his family clearly does not. They're both using each other.
The final shot where Fletcher gestures toward Neiman is the moment when the student's dedication has finally been accepted by the teacher, ultimately proving Fletcher's point that there really was no mars bar down there.
Minute 2:20 he admits his defeat by not being able to break him, but also knows he obtained what he saw in him. He obtained what he always wanted from him, which was greatness.
Neiman's father watches, isolated and far away. He realizes his son is legendary in a moment of watching him play, and also realizes he made the wrong bet.
I thought that to until I saw the script, it actually mentions that the father feels like he lost his son, the dad isn’t sad because betted against his son, he feels like is son is completely lost in his passion and that he will no longer be the son he knew and loved before, but one lost in his obsession to be legendary.
Every father's dream is that their kids will be safe, successful, and happy. Neinman's father watches knowing that his son will only wind up being one of those things. Because of his compulsion to be the best, he will never be safe from his demons, and he will never be truly happy. And that he will feel failure as a father because he wasn't able to rescue Nieman from his demons.
@@nickdfoxy completely disagree, trying to be safe and comftorable is very feminine. Neimans father probably isnt truly happy and realizes hes dead wrong at the end. Neiman just broke the cycle of soft pussified men in his family
What I got from that is more like his dad realized, his son is completely lost to him. It's not pride on his face, or regret. It's almost a twisted fear.
I think his father finally realizes the extent of his son's talent and it's awe inspiring to him. He knew he was talented but this was, for the first time, on a completely different level.
tetrahedron in space first watch through I thought it was a look of amazement at his sons skill. The second time I realized it’s a look of horror. He has lost his son to Fletcher.
I don't think his father thinks he “lost” his son. I think for once in his life, he's seeing his real son for the first time, and realizing just how talented and passionate he really was about drumming. He thought it was just a hobby. He thought it was just a phase. But that look on his face represents a disappointment in himself that he never believed his son could be “one of the greats”.
The look on his face is his fathers realisation that his son is completely obsessed, mad almost. And he realises that in that moment when Andrew was mid solo, he lost his son.
@@Elbow1878 What does this even mean, the top comment also said this. So does Andrew not see his dad as his father anymore? Does he hate him now? Like what does this mean
@@SadBheeseChurger no. His father finally realises that Andrew is obsessed, he is now realising that his son is lost to the music and the need to be great. His father also realises that this will cost Andrew his life and all of his relationships within it, including the father-son relationship.
i cant tell you how many times ive watched this scene. when i want to hear caravan this is the one i watch. the acting in this scene alone makes the whole movie and it still gives me goosebumps on that last break.
Lawina what acting? Most probably the legendary scene people talk about, the moment Terence Fletcher 4:39 affirmative nods his head that he did well, that moment tells alot if u watched the whole movie.
+Actiomedey Very mature... If you look closely, you'll notice that all the kid does is pretend to play the instrument, and the bald guy just shakes around. WHAT EPIC ACTING PEOPLE! BEST ACTING IN THE WORLD! The only two people that should get credit for this scene is the cameraman and the director (and maybe whoever really plays the drums, when the cameraman changes its angle).
Interesting way to look at it. I always thought of it as him acknowledging his sons talent because throughout the movie he never really took it seriously.
@César E. Vizarreta Pizarro That wasn't a look of wonder and awe, it was a look of fear and harsh realization that who he was looking at was no longer his son. You can see his smile fade and his eyes tremble with fear.
It’s almost like a plea wishing his would stop playing the drums. Almost praying or begging in his mind to not let him go through with it. Pure depression and darkness in his eyes. So beautiful.
@@mpbiggame1010 Andrew Neiman would much rather sell his soul to Fletcher and his abuse to achieve greatness rather than be at peace with his father. That scene is like realizing which path Andrew took evident in the way Andrew's dad looked at him
I love the look he gives him at the very end. Its like a mad man witnessing his creation finally take its first breath. It seems unhealthy and sick but that kind of passion or dedication or something is what it means to truly be the best that you can be, purely, with no inhibitions.
Three things I love here: 1. The editing, just amazingly compliments the music 2. 0:25 that beat is so good you can almost hear the actual bass notes of Caravan 3. Fletcher calling him "man" as a sign of respect, then gets out of his way when he recognizes that Neiman's on a collision course with greatness
"Collition course with greatness" Damn... Such and accurate way of depicting it It's like he took over the wheel of the bus that the whole band was in, pressed the gas beyond what's possible and made an impossible jump over a gigantic canyon.
Not only does he call him "man", but he calls him by his name, not by his family name or with a slur... This line alone shows how Neiman just blew his mind
I think the scene with the father is under-rated. This entire time, Andrew had been abused by Fletcher but neglected by his father. One never truly cared about his artistic pursuits and saw it as “just a phase”, when the other pushed Andrew to greatness but ultimately cost his own soul. That’s why the part where Andrew goes back on stage and fully gives in to madness is so powerful when the father is kept in mind. He only realizes now how little he truly cared for his son, and has now lost him to the madness that is the elite music world. If he had loved his son more, and took him seriously, perhaps Andrew would have taken his words more seriously and would not have lost them to Fletcher. But now, his son is one of the greats, but just as their dinner table discussions revealed, the path to greatness is also one that more often than not leads to great sorrow and an unhappy ending. This is now the fate of his son, and it is too late for the father to make things right.
Which is okay. This is ultimately Neiman’s destiny. The father has to take a backseat when his son is shown to be a prodigy. Andrew was shown throughout the film to not be capable of a normal, boring life. He was meant for much more than that. Someone has to fill those shoes, and although it comes with insanity, it’s a role that has to be filled by someone nonetheless.
definitely and this decade wasnt so bad in making CINEMA after all! 10-Dredd 9-Pitch Black ( yeah these two as well ) 8-Midsommar 7-Arrival 6-Black Swan 5-Birdman 4-Joker 3-Mother! 2-Play 1-Whiplash
The look on his father’s face added so much more to this scene and story. It’s what changed how you were seeing this from triumph to tragedy and everything between. He basically gives in completely to his manipulative master, all while thinking he’s being defiant. He becomes everything he’s ever wanted to be, while tragically being completely taken over by his obsession.
If there's one thing I can say that is 100% true for this film, it's that it knows how to convey stress and anxiety and tension FAR TOO PERFECTLY! (I finished this clip with my hands all clammy and filled with sweat)
That shot of Fletcher’s eyes at 4:35 is so powerful. This felt like the moment where he truly realized just how amazing Andrew had become. Staring in complete awe.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate not only Miles Tellers incredible drumming skills as well as acting alongside J.K Simmons; but to acknowledge the cinematography that went into this number. This camera shots and story telling is honestly insane and needs more credit!
@Abi C you do realise that it isnt Miles Teller that hear drumming right? Miles did actually learn to play drums because they had to make it look like he played it by mimicing the movements. But in reality the piece you can hear is just way too hard and technical for miles to play it himself. It was in fact a pre-recorded piece by probably some kind of jazz session drummer. And that probably counts for the 90% of the other music you hear in this movie aswell. Moreover, in some of the shots, where you can't see his face, Im not even entirely sure if it is even him playing or some drummer that actually can play the technical parts.
@@smitske1990 Almost every source says that Miles Teller plays 90% of the drumming in this movie as he had been playing since he was 15. This movie is truly impressive for many reasons.
@@nicholas8739 ive seen Miles drumming in various video's on RUclips. Pls search for it. It is really just utter beginner level playing. If Miles did that endsolo himself im gonna eat my shoe for breakfast...
@@nicholas8739 i just went to do a little research myself. And I just have to say that your alleged "sources" are entirely misleading. If you dig around just a little bit deeper you'll find out who actually played the drums you can hear ;)
I only just realized that Andrew has earned Fletcher's respect, even before the smile, the help, and the fixed cymbal. The entire movie, he only ever calls Andrew by his last name: Nieman. Nieman literally means "nobody". But after Caravan, when the lights dim and return, Fletcher walks up to the kit and calls him: "Andrew"
Love it when he said "Andrew what are you doing man" I it was almost like he was saying he's done enough, there's nothing left to prove. But Andrew still went on to prove how good he was. Love this movie!
@@randall_pitchfork_6493 yeah, even his tone of voice is different, when Andrew starts playing he’s like “I will gouge your fucking eyes out” but when he asks him “what are you doing man” it’s like he’s treating him as an equal
@@randall_pitchfork_6493 He also called him Andrew at the bar after he had lost his job, but that was a manipulation tactic to make Andrew let his guard down, but this time it felt sincere
The shot of Andrew's dad is the most important one in this scene. It is otherwise the most supremely satisfying final scene in cinema, as far as I'm concerned, the resolution of a tension which is built up through the entire length of the film. But we are also reminded that when someone who actually loves Andrew Neiman - as neither Fletcher or Andrew himself does - sees this, it isn't triumphant: it's horrifying.
@tsolias27 Actually, the color of Andrew's clothes play an important role. In the first scene, Andrew is wearing a white t-shirt, that means he is an innocent and naive guy who wants to become big, gradually, he loses it's mind and becomes more and more obsessed, then in the final scene, he is wearing all black, he has lost his soul, and his father realizes that he is completely lost
Interesting. I've never seen it that way - as the father being horrified. I saw it as his father finally seeing for his own eyes how talented Andrew really is. Witnessing the metamorphosis into greatness taking place right before him. He was agape.
@tsolias27: The father recognizes that all the humanity that he tried to instill in his son has finally been burnt out by the obsessive negativity that motivated his pursuit of the craft. Neiman is no longer human, and as such will surely burn out and die, coked up and slumped over his drumkit, in the inevitable future.
This is my favourite movie scene ever. In the space of one song, the protagonist and antagonist journey from detesting each other and being overwhelmed by vengeance, to an incredible mutual respect. And at the same time, both manage to fulfil a lifetimes worth of personal ambitions.
The most goosebump-inducing part of this entire movie for me is Andrew's dad watching in horror between the doors at what his son is capable of, and at the realization that he's wholly lost his son to Fletcher. Really fucked up ending depending on how you view Neiman and Fletcher's relationship to each other.
@@nehh_aksat He lost his son in the sense that his son became a victim of obsession. The same obsession that might lead to him achieve so much like Charlie Parker but becoming so obsessed of being the best thing to ever exist that he might end up as a drug addict, mentally lost and death. He became a victim of Terence Fletcher's obsession.
@Sai Namuduri I want to say that he played the entire scene, but by nitpicking the audio, I caught a china cymbal being played, but there was no china on the kit. Emotionally the impact is still there, but I can’t say he played the kit the way the song sounded. I’m more interested in a directors cut of Miles’ ACTUAL performance.
Drums. The backbone of every band. Imagine the coordination someone has to have to hit every single beat and not miss the rhythm. But in a band it's always the lead guitar and the vocals that will have the glory
I agree the drums are the backbone, but vocals are very rarely in jazz music, though there are some hits such as swing that music. The guitar does get recognition, but I would argue the lead trumpet gets the most recognition out of anyone
1) Take a talented guy to begin with 2) Motivate and let him feel confident and happy for a while 3) Then break his confidence down to zero 4) Beat the shit out of him, humiliate till near-suicide and disgust for music 5) If he still alive and still stays 6) Legend is born.
Gregory Borton It's not important how long someone lived, but how well and what accomplishments achieved in his short life. I believe we come to this world not to spend all life making babies and watching grandchild birth till we die 100y.o. The earth is the playground for achievements, come here and change it or make it better place. Dying from overdose is nasty though.
It’s not that necessarily. It’s the realization that his son is legendary, and that harsh fact Fletcher and his brutal tactics were instrumental in making that happen. In that moment, all three of them realized the morbid truth about the pressures it takes that fan the flames of greatness.
I have absolutely no interest in drumming whatsoever, even less interest in jazz music...yet this film had me glued to the screen for the entire time. The writers and director were all on top form with this film.
One of my favourite parts about this is how the light dims at the start. Andrew continues to play, not even hesitating for a second, even though the light dims; This signifies that he does not care about anything else except for playing. He was not playing to show his father that he can be successful, not because Nicole has a boyfriend and not he wants to please or is angry at Fletcher. He was well and truly playing for himself and challenged himself to see what he is truly capable of.
But the thing is, in this second part, he ends up playing for Fletcher and is happy for his approval, showing that he started out playing for himself but then went right back to playing for Fletcher's approval.
The greatest musicians always leave their stage leaving everything their bodies, souls, minds, could give. It's truly the greatest exchange, to show what one's full potential can bring.
The real art is clicking on part 2 at the right moment.
haha this is gold
I actually did it if that matters lmao
Yeah then getting a bloody audible free trial Micheal Jordan advert for the millionth time
I love Neuromancer
Every time I try, I get "Hey Rodgers, look! I'M YOU!"
A scene so intense, even the drumkit startet sweating....
hahaha - underrated comment 🤣
hahahahaha WTF
And bleeding
buhaha cinematography dude
Reminds me of the sweating meme of Peele😅
i paused the video to give him a break
😂😂😂😂
Underrated comment I swear.
King
😂😂😂....bruh 💀💀💀
LoL
Love the final cut of this scene. They don't show the audience, the applause, the curtains close. Because Andrew didn't care about what the audience thought or any of that. All he wanted was Fletcher's approval which he finally got when Fletcher smiled at him.
I see it as Neiman's defeat: not only did he come back to his old ways, but he also gave up his newfound leadership to Fletcher, allowing him to conduct and command him again.
So yes Neiman outdid Fletcher, but ultimately lost by participating in Fletcher's dirty game, and allowing him to conduct again - after beating Terrence, Andrew ultimately chose to lose.
No it’s liberty. Perfect synchronization between two pieces of the symphony. A balance of power so to speak. Andrew took back his power with the initial unexpected solo, only to give it back during the transition. Without one another and the other pieces of orchestra, they wouldn’t have created the pure beauty of the song or scene in its entirety. Relinquishing the power dynamic back to him doesn’t mean Andrew was defeated, it meant he finally knew how to abide by Fletcher’s tactics while implementing his own into them simultaneously to create pure art. That’s unison in music and in the madness to reach the ultimate goal which was near perfection. For both of them.
@@wserthmar8908 No, Andrew won. All he wanted is Fletcher's approval and in the end he got it. Fletcher here represents the harshest critic any professional can get, the man who never says "Good Job" and in that last smile he got that "Good Job" from him, so he achieved the perfection, that very high level in this craft that will guarantee bright future for him. Fletcher won't be able to take it back, change it, belittle him ever again, he was in awe from Andrew's performance and that was obvious to anyone. Fletcher as a video game boss is defeated, next level - Greatness.
@@georgefromjungle5211 , Andrew either should’ve not come back at all, or should’ve stopped when he did that awesome super-fast performance, in order to finish on his terms. But he both played the dirty game Fletcher offered, and when he did outplay him, gave up.
Andrew's obsession with music is highlighted by him wearing dark and black clothes, and him wearing bright, white T-shirts was while he was being fine in the beginning of the film, and after his fall out with Fletcher.
@@wserthmar8908you missed the part where Andrew told Fletcher that HE will queue him he didn't lose Fletcher was no longer in control and he still got his approval for it
the drums smoked a cigarette after that
very underrated comment
I smoked a bag after this. Gave me fucking anxiety
Lmao
Definitely the best comment I've ever read I am so admirative
1900?
imagine the end he said "not quite my tempo" and threw a chair at him for credits
"finally my fucking tempo!"
And then the scene cuts before the chair hits him
Neiman will throw his entire drumset at Fletcher. If that happens
would be the funniest ending to a movie ever
Neiman: not quite ur tempo eh?
Fletcher: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FUCKING TEMPO I WANT NUDES OF SPIDER-MAN
A movie in which the villain wins and hardly anyone notices that he does. Truly a masterpiece of film.
Well, the "villain" created greatness. Both achieved what they wanted. If you want greatness you gotta deal with A LOT of sh*t.
@@theodoredufourcq9840 you didn't get it
@@TERG89 I'm pretty sure its a troll, don't take him seriously. With a reply like that, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard
It's not this simple and I don't see how you come to this conclusion after watching the movie.
This movie asks a question if the result of excellence can ever excuse the methods. Does the mental anguish of all of Fletcher's students excuse one student (who also has major issues due to Fletcher) reaching the pinnacle of success? Does absolute excellence for 0.1% justify methods which will negatively impact well-being of the 99.9%?
Fletcher finally finds his outstanding pupil and he likely sees this as a form of redemption of his methods. But he also faced massive personal consequences and he tried to destroy Andrew at the end before Andrew turned things around.
There aren't easy answers to this but the film did an outstanding job of highlighting the dilemma. But Fletcher didn't "win".
Douglas Washburn is that directed towards me?
i really like the symbolism the director put in this ending. on one end, the father is witnessing his son being engulfed by madness, obsession, and insanity; the other, Fletcher seeing Neiman as if he is proud of created the monster he became, and Neiman forgetting every abusive thing Fletcher did, all in one smile. J.K. Simmons definitely deserved the award for his role.
Best comment
the son is engulfed by incredible music. It's not for everyone, and most people could never understand. What it means to give every part of your life to achieve one goal, it's beautiful.
@@iesakhanji1995 this is some cult bullshit.
How did he become a monster, he achieved his goal to become great at something that's every humans dream
@@dopeside2760 everything comes at a cost, the movie hints that andrew's ultimate end will not be happy
Fletcher went from “I will gouge your fucking eyes out” to “Andrew, what are you doing man?” God I love this movie
Character development at it's finest
Not really character development, Fletcher didn't change. Andrew did
@@evangillespie7922 they both did
Bipolar at it’s finest.
The number of the beast
He puts his blood, sweat and tears into this scene. Literally.
wassup
Not blood maybe
@@antarakmit4114 there are few cuts where the drum set is stained with blood.
@@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 the actor actually passed out several times while filming this scene
@@mustafa-cx2fg no
I remember watching this in the theater and there were only like 6 people in there, and I remember thinking to myself, "People do not know what they are missing."
c dubba u I guess not all people are into music. Let alone jazz.
c dubba u one of my favorite films
c dubba u I even consider this a master piece
godchota It is a masterpiece of a film, and JK Simmons really deserved his Oscar for his performance in this movie.
c dubba u, they were watching something marvel
"Neiman's dad is in awe!"
*"Jim watches Andrew -- crazed, exhausted, looks like he’s pushing himself past what is safe -- and knows there is no longer anything he can do about it. He has lost."*
-The official Whiplash movie script
Based🔥
Here!
Yeah when I first saw it and it cut to his dad, he didn’t look like he was “amazed” but more worried or cathartic
/ doesn't understand that some people want to push themselves to the limit of what is possible, and will always be mediocre.
@@jacklemas sometimes pushing themselves like that can cause a lot more harm than good
The thing I really like about this scene is how the audience doesn’t need to be there at all. They are performing in front of an audience, but the only reactions we need to see are Andrews fathers and fletchers. The audience does not matter at all
silly goose It’s jazz. There is no audience.
Wow, great insight.
wannatradepants Shut the fuck up
@@TheRitva26 Bro, are you okay? You wanna talk about it?
Can u provide a link to the vid of the director saying that
That facial expression at the end where you can see that Neiman has FINALLY earned Fletcher's respect... simply golden.
But keep in mind that pushing yourself so hard just to earn the respect of a man who abused the shit out of you is a bad thing.
@@MrRufioooo Still Fletcher. Neiman is the victim of an abusive teacher-student relationship. The same thing happens a lot in places like Asia where there's a ton of pressure to be the best in school/exams, resulting in severe mental health issues and even suicide (as was even mentioned in the movie with Fletcher's previous student).
Either way it's still a bad thing.
@@HuntingtonsDisco It's bitter sweet.
Wis Dom ok mr high and mighty
Wis Dom sure thing, anytime
That look in Fletchers eyes"Finally my tempo"
There it is. Up you go.
It also looks like he said good job, the most harmful words in English language, meaning that he found a new bird, his molded "Charlie Parker"
@@christiangutierrez4436 you read my mind
More like "Finally, my FUCKING tempo"
@@esentries
There you go
There you fucking go
Both Flecher and Andrew got exactly what they both wanted. One was determined to be remembered as one of the greatest drummers ever and the other was determined to find the next great player.
Flecher may be a monster in the abusive and manipulative ways he went about finding that player, but Andrew is just as big of a monster in the way he was willing to discard anyone he was close to without a second thought and how he was willing to torture himself to be the musician he felt he was destined to be.
As much as Flecher wanted to create a monster, Andrew was wanting to become one, and was completely fine with anything he had to do in order to make that happen.
@@ProducerO it looks like even the director doesn't know how to take this final. His only advise is that Andrew didn't have a happy end, but he already said he didn't want one. He want to become great, a legend, and that's a thing everyone should learn. That sometimes, some people is more focused in themselfs and their goals.
The best part is, you literally see how Andrew pretty much begins to act just as volatile and selfish as Fletcher. That side to him was literally always there. Fletcher just knew the right ways to dig it out.
Tragedy
This comment right here it's the answer for me. They're both monsters.
The movie is not only about music. Stockholm syndrome as well, or other stuff between government and people (why not) ....
This final scene is the literal definition of “I’ve won, but at what cost?”
How I saw it is "Ive won, and it was all worth it"
@@elijiahayy2837 correct, and it's always worth it, no matter how little you've won
So long as whatever you've won, you've earned
In the artist world its all about archivement in the end cause the road is painfull asf ;)
@@elijiahayy2837 The director literally says he thinks Neiman is going to end up empty, broke, and dead from an OD, having learned absolutely nothing.
@@ambskater97 The dichotomy between Andrew's father and Fletcher symbolizes this. The father is loving and caring, and ultimately wants Andrew to have a good life. Fletcher, in contrast, wants artistic success whatever the personal cost for his musicians may be. He even drove one of his students to suicide.
Andrew going backstage to his dad is the inflection point and ultimate resolution of this conflict. Andrew backs away from his dad and ultimately resolves to choose Fletcher (i.e. artistic success) over his father (a good life).
So many things happen with such little said
A musician sells his soul
A father loses his son
A Villian finally wins
All in such a glorious drum solo
underrated comment
The father didn't lose his son
Wolfie Woo In the script during that part, it says the father feels like he lost his son.
@@HugoSoup57 Oh sorry my bad but on the other hand, are you familiar with the concept of 'death of the author'?
I won, but at what cost?
This ending is brilliant. You see the anger and stress melt away from Fletcher’s face as he sees Neiman as the star he was looking for. Not to mention when he says “Andrew what’re you doing man”. He says it with a different tone, as if they are equals and he’s just confused instead of Fletcher insulting him.
It’s also the first time he acknowledges Andrew as Andrew instead of his last name, Neiman.
He addresses him as Andrew when they coincide at the Jazz Club but that was either because he was not his student and not under his "control" (as a boss would call his employer by their last name) or to give him a false sense of security and lend him into a trap.
But this tame, due to context and tone of voice, it feels like he's referring to him as a colleague, an equal just like OP said.
Coby at the end, he wasn’t pushing his students hard enough to create a star he was looking for. Only when he was actually going to break Andrew, his talent showed up.
The last look that they each share explains the entire point and premise of the movie
@@theguy6044 which is?
I love how Andrew seems like he is in a flow trance after the sound goes quiet for a bit, and how Fletcher notices this too and realizes he needs to 'direct' Andrew a bit. Not because he didnt think Andrew couldnt perform adequately without direction, but because he was so in the flow and disassociated that he actually needed those few cues to remind him what he was doing.. his drumming demanded so much of his attention that he needed to be reminded of external reality again
A good point.
Great point!
Favourite part
For anyone that understands true creative flow- this comment is spot on 👌
Fletcher at the end is like if he had get the best Spiderman pictures
Manacek Dragon HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA FUCK THIS COMMENT MAN
Wait, maybe he did. (That's jk if I remember correctly)
BRING ME SPIIIIDERMAAAAAN
He looked about as happy as he did when he exposed spidermans face in the last movie
@@brycemason1747 hahahahaaha
Rest of the band: "Weird flex but ok"
YES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
are we blind? deploy the likes
If this isn’t the funniest fucking comment lmao
THIS KILLED ME!❗
Truly one of the masterpieces of the modern era. The Protagonist and Antagonist both achieve their ultimate goal in the exact same scene, at exactly the same time. The look they share at the end and silence in that moment is so impactful, it's the culmination of both of their lives and everything good or bad that has led them to that exact moment together, a moment suspended in time.
Please tell what did the antagonist achieve?
@@nehh_aksat The whole thing the antagonist was trying to do, throughout the whole film, was to make Neuman hate him basically, as a means to make him better as a drummer. He saw the hate towards him as a means to an end, a trial by fire sort of deal. The final scene of the movie starts with Fletcher trying to get revenge, but it quickly turns into Neuman showing off his skills, purely out of spite. In the final moment, the two, who had been hateful towards each other the entire time, look at each other, and in this moment Neuman realizes that Fletcher’s plan worked flawlessly. Even though what he did was evil in many ways, Neuman came out of it a godlike drummer. Neuman won by spiting Fletcher and proving himself to him, and Fletcher won by seeing the whole mess he started come to fruition. The look they give each other says it all; they still hate each other with a passion, but even so they have a newfound respect for each other.
Sorry if this was too rambly; I just absolutely adore the final moment of this film in terms of “show don’t tell”.
@@nehh_aksat watch the bar scene, fletcher admits he knows he’s ruthless on all his students because he wants to make the next jazz great and he thinks that only a great would put up with his bullying without quitting. This scene is Andrew showing that after all that extra training he had to put in because fletcher kept pushing him down despite being extremely talented (he admits in that scene he literally replaced Andrew with a worse drummer to make him work harder to get position back, which I believe is true but you could argue he’s lying in that scene to get him on stage for this) has made Andrew into a drummer on the path to being one of the greats which is also Andrews goal throughout the movie. So they both get what they want
@@nehh_aksat Neiman got what he needed, validation from his mentor of being a drummer by playing a memorable solo and Fletcher got what he needed, crafting his Charlie Parker moment by validating everyone he ever pushed and hurt, was worth it for this singular moment. You're right, this is truly one of a kind in that you have two opposites reach the same climax and end point.
might be the only movie where both the protagonist and antagonist both get exactly what they want in the end.
I love the shot at 4:06, Fletcher walks backwards into the shadows observing his sinister creation
wow that's a creepy shot indeed
I love the back and forth hand motion he makes to indicate Andrew to start smackin the cymbals xD
It's like Frankenstein's iconic "ITS ALIVE!" Moment
Perfectly mirroring when he enters from the shadows in the beginning of the movie
@@spongeyspikes09Reminded me of the same thing. Frankenstein proudly looking over the creature he has created.
The actor trained six months for 3 hours a day for this very scene. It took two days to shoot.
he didnt really play it tho, the soundtrack is played by a seperate band, he indeed trained for 6 months to make it look real
@@AquaConGas ur kinda saying the same thing he did and ur saying he's wrong ur the kind of people who make everyone say "who the fuck is this shitwipe"
IMDB says it was 4 hrs per day for 3 days per weeks bud
NawtNCosmic so behind the scenes, he basically became the best of the best anyway basically?
@@DustinSmith796 Clearly good, but not the best of the best. 3 hours a day is pretty standard for pro musicians/music majors.
Andrew: *finishes playing*
Fletcher: not quite my tempo
On God
@WeirdComicStudio It kills him instantly, that's why the end cuts to black so quick.
Andrew: It's MY tempo.
that's unfunny and not original, like you
*throws podium*
I love how they didn’t completely show Fletcher smiling.
J.K. knocked this role out of the park.
edit: after reading the replies and rewatching the scene, I’m pretty firmly convinced that Fletcher isn’t smiling, rather he’s telling Neiman “good job”
Since this movie I can't look at J.K. without seeing Fletcher. I'm not a movie expert, but here I definitely understood what "acting" is.
if you look closely, and it might be just me, but it looks like he finally says 'good job'
@@Yell0wRocketMan thank you, the exact comment i was looking for. this should be pinned. i 100% have believed, since i first saw the money, that he MUST have said that to close the arc at the end. "The worst thing you can say to a man is 'Good Job'." -- Also, what does that say about how Fletcher views Neiman, even at the end? Bitter sweet I guess. Then again, it seems like Fletcher's percieved notion of Neiman's 'best' is still pretty fucking amazing. the idea of wasted potential and complacency is so prominent in this movie, and just like the real world, there is no clear answer -- just a game of trade offs between satisfaction & effort.
They showed his eyes which reveal if its a real smile or not and
@@giovanniconconi1228 Don't worry. Just stick on the sam rami trilogy and you can revert your brain back to the 'correct' image of JK
The moment where he fixes the cymbal for Andrew shows he’s earned his respect. Beautiful.
For me it's the few moments he takes to just WATCH him right after that. Fletcher is hyped as fuck and credit to Simmons for the acting, especially that gesture where you cover your mouth and drop your hand off. Perfect. Not enough actors know how to act with every finger.
@@geordiejones5618 True, Simmons is such a great actor.
True, I admire writers and directors that can express something in such a sutil way ,like you say here , with that little gesture you can tell he won his respect
I was looking for this comment finally found it
"And he's laughed off-stage. Cries himself to sleep that night, but the next morning, what does he do? He practices. And he practices and he practices with one goal in mind, never to be laughed at again. And a year later, he goes back to the Reno and he steps up on that stage, and plays the best motherfucking solo the world has ever heard."
Fletcher found his Charlie Parker.
huh. just realized that this is almost exactly what happened. fletcher queued a song andrew didn't know so he was shunned offstage, but after crying he got back up and played his best solo.
Fletcher found the right cymbals to throw at Nieman's head
So what he REALLY wanted from his creation...... was GRIT.
But at what cost
I thought everyone knew this lol apparently not as obvious as I thought
Where his dad looks on at 2.00 is one of the best shots in cinema. He looks shocked, scared even. No big cheesy grins. It's his realisation of what his son is/has become. Another level of expression that is beyond the attainment or understanding of most people
Agree with you! That facial expression is also found in the ending of
“Jawbone” movie when jimmy’s trainer actually realizes jimmy is going to knock the
Opponent out.
@@micklee5152 LOL
Reminds me of the final scene from Billy Elliot too. In fact I think the inspiration might be pretty direct.
And it's because he knows he's lost his son, and that he will die a young obsessive, like the great musicians he mentioned at their family dinner scene. He'd rather die young and be remembered, and his dad just wants him to live his life and be happy.
Agreed, this is my favourite shot in the film. Just the conveyance of emotion is incredible.
Take notes Anakin, THIS is how you give into the dark side
How can you even compare the two, lmao
@@RubenMakaya It isn't a comparison its a joke lmao
@@garinfl306 Yes i was aware of that, lol
Funny thing is that in real life Miles Teller is considered VERY hard to work with and has a Fletcher-streak, himself.
@@RubenMakaya no you weren't
That moment when his father actually "sees" his son in his own element for the first time. He wasn't his son, he was a beast, a master of his craft, pure expression. INCREDIBLE MOVIE.
It's funny looking back at the movie from this moment. When Andrew turned his back on music and was more healthy and sane, he never looked so directionless and lost. When Andrew relapsed into music, beating away at the drums in sheer agony, he never looked so alive and invigorated.
And it all goes back to one line that Andrew himself said at the dinner table. One little line that everyone in his family shrugged off. "I'd rather die drunk, broke at 34 and have people talk about me than live to be rich and sober at 90 and nobody remember who I was." He wanted this. He wanted to suffer for his music than to suffer in mediocrity. He wanted to be one of the greats, but nobody believed that he can do it. Nobody but Fletcher.
In Jim's mind, Fletcher was the monster that was preying on his hapless son. But in that moment, he realized that the monster he was supposed to stop was Andrew all along. Fletcher simply lured that monster out of him.
@@wojak-sensei6424 VERY well said man, this movie is definitely one of my favorites and struck a chord with me as I was contemplating being a musician when I was younger. Great comment!
@@wojak-sensei6424u worded how I felt bout the movie perfectly
I love how you fucking summarize that sir make me want to punch the door so hard
no i think his dad was concerned that he is good and this is his life and its gonna be a sad lonely life. and the directed hinted that nemon ends up commiting suicide like the other student fletcher was mentoring
i love the part where Fletcher fixes Neiman's cymbal. Even through such an intense scene that is already telling its own story of the culmination of talent, the filmmakers manage to advance the relationship between these two some more.
el mismo platillo con el que golpeo su mejilla antes
It's also a great way to bring Fletcher into the shot without it taking away from Nieman's performance. What a great film.
They started out with the story of how the teacher threw a cymbal at charlie parker, Fletcher always wanted a charlie parker, and now, he is fixing neyman's cymbal. He has more than he could have dreamed of.
It truly is an amazing screenplay from start to end, isn't it?
The entire point of the scene is advancing the relationship between the two.
1:24 When my parents leave the house
2:01 When my parents didn’t leave yet
too underrated comment
LOOOOL
@@diegoalejandrogranadosvill3075 yeah totaly hahaa😂😂
😂😂😂
Jajajajaja
This is the first time Fletcher calls him Andrew instead of Neiman.
he calls him andrew in the bar scene a few times
derek: He was being a deceptive prick in the bar, though.
Get the fuck out seriously? Through the entire movie?
Nice pick up man
LOUDER
One of the most profoundly tragic and yet simultaneously uplifting and beautiful endings ever written and put to film. What an incredible movie.
Its not tragic at all
@@aasdaa3736 it depends on how you perceive the ending
@@aasdaa3736it definitely is
@@aasdaa3736Fletcher by seeing the results will perpetuate the cycle of abuse and another soul will die young, worn out, but as an excelent musician
@@gabsnandes7818 nobody thinks that far dumbass
I’ve never gotten chills from someone taking off their jacket
You've clearly never met my uncle then...
Indians will attribute it to: "Ruk bc teri maa chodta hu abhi" 😂
I have. I get cold in the winter when I take my jacket off if I’m outside
I totally agree!
I agree and admire how writers and directors can express so much with little things like that.
4:12 The Bassist in the background is just like "damn"
Damn
man said “everything I have ever achieved in life now amounts to nothing.”
Damn, blessed be
Us
dayum
One of my favorite parts about this ending scene is how completely inconsequential the audience is to the whole performance. The only reaction we need to see from the perspective of any viewer is the father's, who is torn between not understanding his son's motivations in returning to the stage, and the awe of his son's talent manifested. Other than that, the last ~10 minutes of the movie features no interaction with the audience, no reaction shots, no applause. The director simply consolidates all of the audience's possible emotions onto the face of the father -- confusion, awe, possibly fear.
And also, I really like how the lighting is employed not only to blur what little screen time that the theater audience has, but also to give tremendous emphasis on the performance of the actors. The lighting is bright, but not warm the way a familiar sports bar is warm with its yellow overhead lights and a flickering neon sign buzzing like a fridge. It has a way of emphasizing that there are only two people of consequence here, and what's happening here is truly, truly tremendous, but not good.
Damien Chazelle is one young genius.
True, except I think his dad's face is actually HORROR of seeing his son consumed by his obsession
I don't know. It can be interpreted in many ways which is why the movie is so beautiful. You know, its like a Tarantino film, lots of different angles that you could take the story and his intentions with it. Personally I think that the Dad finally saw what was inside of Andrew's head, and was witnessing his full potential, and his greatness. I think the Dad served as like, the outside world finally understanding what Andrew wanted. But either way the acting by the Father is top notch and definitely evokes horror, so I see why many interpret it that way.
Adam Gagan I
The father showing up to the performance he was so against is a cliche.
But I liked what they did here
the biggest "let him cook" in history.
💔
I've been drumming for 13 years and every time I watch this scene I end up weeping. Most of the time drums are seen as a supportive instrument that drive the rhythm, but here you can see the beauty and primal, yet controlled energy of an incredible jazz performance. It's incredible to see something you are so passionate about articulated in a perfect moment of beauty. I fucking love this film.
I'm a little bit late. I used to have the same thought that the drum is just a supportive instrument nothing more nothing less. after that, I have been into Jazz and at that time I knew I was wrong, Drum is the backbone of Jazz
Drummer here too a had a little lump in my throat to be fair lol
@Bad Lieutenant gonna say something really controversial: im not a huge fan of Buddy Rich, could never get into him for some reason! Do you have any recommendations that might? I've always been more drawn to "band" drummers like Zach Hill, Danny Heifetz (Mr Bungle) and Yussuf Dayes
@@TheRealBibwitHarte Have you ever listened to Gogo Penguin?
While they have seperated with their OG drummer, anything with him in it is a classic to me
@@TheRealBibwitHarte Also, Antonio Sanchez (Look into the Birdman OST) is an incredible drummer, came across his stuff from songs from Birdman being suggested. That said, from what ive really enjoyed has been more solo drumming bits
A bad director/producer would have added thundering applause from the audience, Fletcher and Neiman hugging laughing patting each other's back, Neiman's dad crying a river with pride and all kinds of usual Hollywood crap lol
I was hoping Neiman would huck a loogie in Fletcher's face at some point in the performance, and Fletcher would wipe it away with pride.
Actually it was sad ending
The croud cheering when the camera goes black wouldn't really be a bad idea. I think it would be satisfying a little. But i love the way it ended regardless. And also a bad director would fuck up a lot of shit in this movie, like how often the camera turns in this scene giving the viewer a literal "whiplash"
Stanny Mendonsa how so?
Dont forget the epic last words...
One of the best endings I've seen in a film
Phillip Broughton Damien chazelle sure can end a movie lol and begin one too
Phillip Broughton Agreed.
yeah... very dark... Andrew's pre-funeral!
so true
Phillip Broughton i saw this vid where some guy made it really dark and now my preferance of the movie is changed its so sad.
The father losing his son interpretation is an interesting one but I had a different one. Throughout the movie, you see how Neiman’s family never truly understand his dedication to music, almost considering his profession as useless. And that specific cut says a lot, it shows how his father truly and finally witnesses the genius of his son.
Agreed, that's exactly my take on it. To me, his was a look of shock, awe, and pure astonishment at what his son was so madly passionate about. And he could finally witness that which his son found so beautiful, all in a dynamite spectacle of a stupendous drumming solo.
yeah i felt the same like everyone is saying he loses his son while i think he just met him
only losers who never have won at anything in their life might find it hard to comprehend
@@maillemilo7987thats because in the script the whole intention of the director is that "the father looks at his son like he lost it"
wtf u talking dislike
Fletcher backing away into the dark at 4:05 is haunting. Like the devil admiring his sinister creation.
Sinister?
This movies is basically a documentary. Go watch King Crimson lives, and those guys are noobies compared to some jazz musicians/bands.
That was a sick description.
That’s funny, I always thought he looked like doctor Frankenstein marveling at his monster. “It’s alive... it’s alive!!!”
HellRiser you will never reach my tempo!
elephantshelf stfu
2:16 is my favorite part. When Fletcher realizes Neiman has reached savage level beast mode, proud is an understatement. He looks like Frankenstein bringing his monster to life lol.
Jaron Alexander SO ACCURATE
Frankenstein was the monster
@@ryanmac323 Victor Frankenstein was the scientist that create the monster or Frankenstein's monster, but many people call it "Frankenstein" maybe to be short. The original poster was totally accurate when he mentioned "He looks like Frankenstein bringing his monster to life"
@@vitzveer I think he was joking
Except Fletcher *isn't* proud of him. Fletcher proves himself incapable of caring about anything other than people regarding *him* as a genius. Neiman is little more than a creature that justifies his own ego and self-obsession. He *killed* the guy who came before Neiman by driving him to suicide. All Fletcher cares about is that his name will be mentioned as the "one who shaped and molded true musical genius." Neiman's ultimately letting himself be used because even though Fletcher is sadistic and unfeeling, he *understands* him, which is something his family clearly does not. They're both using each other.
The final shot where Fletcher gestures toward Neiman is the moment when the student's dedication has finally been accepted by the teacher, ultimately proving Fletcher's point that there really was no mars bar down there.
He finally got Neiman to look up, look at Fletcher, and answer whether or not he was out of tune.
Bravo Vince
still... not quite my tempo
@@StxckyBxurritos lol
Or cosmopolitan and baked alaska 👁👄👁💅
Minute 2:20 he admits his defeat by not being able to break him, but also knows he obtained what he saw in him. He obtained what he always wanted from him, which was greatness.
The dude in the back playing bass at 4:12 is just like
"WTF did I sign up for jesus christ"
Hahaha my thoughts exactly. "I should have just played the fuckin' triangle."
"Why are we still here? Just to suffer?"
@L F oh my god
@L F For fucking sassy God's pansy ass fruit fuck self, i forgot what I was going to comment
@L F dude chill the freak down.
Possibly the greatest scene of all time from a movie about music..
U know amadeus exists, well after thinking about this for a while i honestly can't say that one is better than the other
Till I Collapse I still think the bedside dictation at the end of Amadeus is better but this is a close second
uumm, no..
Mikau 991 ha what do you mean by no?
Toss-up between this scene and Mozart changing Salieri's march at the piano in 𝘈𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘶𝘴.
Neiman's father watches, isolated and far away. He realizes his son is legendary in a moment of watching him play, and also realizes he made the wrong bet.
I thought that to until I saw the script, it actually mentions that the father feels like he lost his son, the dad isn’t sad because betted against his son, he feels like is son is completely lost in his passion and that he will no longer be the son he knew and loved before, but one lost in his obsession to be legendary.
Every father's dream is that their kids will be safe, successful, and happy. Neinman's father watches knowing that his son will only wind up being one of those things. Because of his compulsion to be the best, he will never be safe from his demons, and he will never be truly happy. And that he will feel failure as a father because he wasn't able to rescue Nieman from his demons.
@@nickdfoxy completely disagree, trying to be safe and comftorable is very feminine. Neimans father probably isnt truly happy and realizes hes dead wrong at the end. Neiman just broke the cycle of soft pussified men in his family
@@lukedonovan9092 very female? Lol what
What I got from that is more like his dad realized, his son is completely lost to him. It's not pride on his face, or regret. It's almost a twisted fear.
2:00 man the look on his father's face gives me chills. I love this movie so much
It makes my heart ache, because i know how it feels to see my own son do such great and horrific things at the same time
I think his father finally realizes the extent of his son's talent and it's awe inspiring to him. He knew he was talented but this was, for the first time, on a completely different level.
The look on his father's eyes, he knows he lost him. That's not his son anymore, that's a monster created by Fletcher. What a bittersweet ending. 👏
Not monster
*A beast
I always looked at it more in the sense that he finally acknowledges how talented his son is.
@@sachalarose9964 exactly and how blind he was until this moment
@@sachalarose9964 that look was fear. Not someone who was impressed. Someone who was afraid and worried.
@@terrybatman he realized that he has lost his son, andrew is now a machine made and formed by fletcher. no longer his son, no longer a human.
2:01 is probably my favorite shot of the whole movie.
His father no longer recognizes his son. He is something different now.
tetrahedron in space first watch through I thought it was a look of amazement at his sons skill. The second time I realized it’s a look of horror.
He has lost his son to Fletcher.
He realized his son was far more than which he believed him to be, thus failing to understand who he really was and is
imagine if you were in that concert and sees this enormous drum solo, i would be covered in chicken skin
@@seanoh4761 Tf does that even mean?
@@solitary2 I think it means like goose bumps
That drumset is still in thte hospital
I laughed so hard i peed a litle and im in the bank...
@@SuskenHizamura Did anyone notice?
@@bhanu51197 o yeah looked at me like i was a madman that made me laugh even more...
OMG JC A BOMB
Hahaha!!!
I don't think his father thinks he “lost” his son. I think for once in his life, he's seeing his real son for the first time, and realizing just how talented and passionate he really was about drumming. He thought it was just a hobby. He thought it was just a phase. But that look on his face represents a disappointment in himself that he never believed his son could be “one of the greats”.
That is a really interesting take of this scene, still me personally I prefer the former one
The look on his face is his fathers realisation that his son is completely obsessed, mad almost. And he realises that in that moment when Andrew was mid solo, he lost his son.
That’s a wholesome take even though it wasn’t the intention.
@@Elbow1878 What does this even mean, the top comment also said this. So does Andrew not see his dad as his father anymore? Does he hate him now? Like what does this mean
@@SadBheeseChurger no. His father finally realises that Andrew is obsessed, he is now realising that his son is lost to the music and the need to be great. His father also realises that this will cost Andrew his life and all of his relationships within it, including the father-son relationship.
i cant tell you how many times ive watched this scene. when i want to hear caravan this is the one i watch. the acting in this scene alone makes the whole movie and it still gives me goosebumps on that last break.
What acting?
Lawina what acting? Most probably the legendary scene people talk about, the moment Terence Fletcher 4:39 affirmative nods his head that he did well, that moment tells alot if u watched the whole movie.
TOK zz
Lawina the entire scene was acting you fucking clod
+Actiomedey Very mature... If you look closely, you'll notice that all the kid does is pretend to play the instrument, and the bald guy just shakes around. WHAT EPIC ACTING PEOPLE! BEST ACTING IN THE WORLD! The only two people that should get credit for this scene is the cameraman and the director (and maybe whoever really plays the drums, when the cameraman changes its angle).
1:58 that camera shot is iconic. From far away, Nieman's father realized that he just "lost" his son.
Interesting way to look at it. I always thought of it as him acknowledging his sons talent because throughout the movie he never really took it seriously.
@César E. Vizarreta Pizarro That wasn't a look of wonder and awe, it was a look of fear and harsh realization that who he was looking at was no longer his son. You can see his smile fade and his eyes tremble with fear.
Wdym lost? I dont get why everyone says that he is lost
It’s almost like a plea wishing his would stop playing the drums. Almost praying or begging in his mind to not let him go through with it. Pure depression and darkness in his eyes. So beautiful.
@@mpbiggame1010 Andrew Neiman would much rather sell his soul to Fletcher and his abuse to achieve greatness rather than be at peace with his father. That scene is like realizing which path Andrew took evident in the way Andrew's dad looked at him
I love how the guy on the bass just looks at him like "Yo wtf"
4:38 Imagine holding on a single sincere smile during an entire film and this does happen at the last freaking scene of the movie. MASTERPIECE!
JK Simmons here, chasing parkers in every movie
Wtf, never thought of that! 😂😂
@Geralt of Trivia nice username, I lol'd
I don't get it
@@jhk0428 Charlie Parker and Peter Parker.
Why have I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS
Fletcher adjusts the very cymbal that Andrew hit his chin with.
@Лоло Козлов bruh hahahahahaha
@@groverkiinmuppetborn714
The fuck
I don't get it
I love the look he gives him at the very end. Its like a mad man witnessing his creation finally take its first breath. It seems unhealthy and sick but that kind of passion or dedication or something is what it means to truly be the best that you can be, purely, with no inhibitions.
@@norpriest521 Istanbul the manufacturer of cymbals
Лоло Козлов Partly yes, but they also needed something to cause Fletcher to come closer to Andrew for their interaction in the ending.
Three things I love here:
1. The editing, just amazingly compliments the music
2. 0:25 that beat is so good you can almost hear the actual bass notes of Caravan
3. Fletcher calling him "man" as a sign of respect, then gets out of his way when he recognizes that Neiman's on a collision course with greatness
"Collition course with greatness"
Damn... Such and accurate way of depicting it
It's like he took over the wheel of the bus that the whole band was in, pressed the gas beyond what's possible and made an impossible jump over a gigantic canyon.
Not only does he call him "man", but he calls him by his name, not by his family name or with a slur... This line alone shows how Neiman just blew his mind
I like that phantom bassline lol
@@victorjimenez9591 he did get into an accident earlier in the film lol
I think the scene with the father is under-rated.
This entire time, Andrew had been abused by Fletcher but neglected by his father. One never truly cared about his artistic pursuits and saw it as “just a phase”, when the other pushed Andrew to greatness but ultimately cost his own soul.
That’s why the part where Andrew goes back on stage and fully gives in to madness is so powerful when the father is kept in mind. He only realizes now how little he truly cared for his son, and has now lost him to the madness that is the elite music world.
If he had loved his son more, and took him seriously, perhaps Andrew would have taken his words more seriously and would not have lost them to Fletcher.
But now, his son is one of the greats, but just as their dinner table discussions revealed, the path to greatness is also one that more often than not leads to great sorrow and an unhappy ending.
This is now the fate of his son, and it is too late for the father to make things right.
Which is okay. This is ultimately Neiman’s destiny. The father has to take a backseat when his son is shown to be a prodigy. Andrew was shown throughout the film to not be capable of a normal, boring life. He was meant for much more than that. Someone has to fill those shoes, and although it comes with insanity, it’s a role that has to be filled by someone nonetheless.
You know there is a thing called cinema. THIS SCENE IS CINEMA.
definitely
and this decade wasnt so bad in making CINEMA after all!
10-Dredd
9-Pitch Black ( yeah these two as well )
8-Midsommar
7-Arrival
6-Black Swan
5-Birdman
4-Joker
3-Mother!
2-Play
1-Whiplash
man of fooking culture
Scorsese would aprove
Kino
@@ZsH85 new number 10 or even higher "Parasite"
1:17 when you finally find that one vid you've been looking for for 30 minutes
Sclunger 💀💀💀
Sclunger how to be a man of culture?
😭😭😭😭
LMAO
Fuck you for finding this
I love when it shows his father watching. Almost like he is witnessing something he doesn't comprehend.
That was my impression also. It's not about recognizing his son's talent, neither "losing" him like some people in the comments have said.
The look on his father’s face added so much more to this scene and story. It’s what changed how you were seeing this from triumph to tragedy and everything between. He basically gives in completely to his manipulative master, all while thinking he’s being defiant. He becomes everything he’s ever wanted to be, while tragically being completely taken over by his obsession.
3:28 is how i ask my boss for a raise :D
Salman Memehood 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂awesome
And his reaction: 2:27
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Fucking hilarious man!!! This is pure gold
I agree 10000% with Matt. Most funny comments on RUclips just give me a chuckle. But I sincerely LOL'ed at this one.
If there's one thing I can say that is 100% true for this film, it's that it knows how to convey stress and anxiety and tension FAR TOO PERFECTLY! (I finished this clip with my hands all clammy and filled with sweat)
RikuSenpai I got chills
You could almost say the writers and actors knew how to act human. Which strangely enough is hard to know these days
The entire film I felt like I was waiting in the hallway for an audition that was woefully unprepared for.
same I legit cried and I was waving my hands around the air like a maniac
I've seen this film a dozen of times and it is still almost unbearable to watch due to the stress and tension. Masterpiece.
Drums: **exist**
Neiman: I'm about to end this man's whole career.
t0fu.K it’s more of the opposite
Tony Dembie well it’s also about what they confirm might happen later in Andrews life.
t0fu.K these are getting old
Wow how funny
Wrong use of a meme template.
If you ever wanted to know what selling your soul looks like, this scene pretty much sums it up.
UNBELIEVABLE!
That shot of Fletcher’s eyes at 4:35 is so powerful. This felt like the moment where he truly realized just how amazing Andrew had become. Staring in complete awe.
i thought he was gonna throw a chair
@@zivo9453 nah, i thought hes gonna throw the whole building at andrew
This felt like the moment where he truly became heisenberg
This felt like the moment where he truly want spider man pictures
This felt like the moment where he truly became so close to the camera
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate not only Miles Tellers incredible drumming skills as well as acting alongside J.K Simmons; but to acknowledge the cinematography that went into this number. This camera shots and story telling is honestly insane and needs more credit!
@Abi C you do realise that it isnt Miles Teller that hear drumming right? Miles did actually learn to play drums because they had to make it look like he played it by mimicing the movements. But in reality the piece you can hear is just way too hard and technical for miles to play it himself. It was in fact a pre-recorded piece by probably some kind of jazz session drummer. And that probably counts for the 90% of the other music you hear in this movie aswell. Moreover, in some of the shots, where you can't see his face, Im not even entirely sure if it is even him playing or some drummer that actually can play the technical parts.
@@smitske1990 Almost every source says that Miles Teller plays 90% of the drumming in this movie as he had been playing since he was 15. This movie is truly impressive for many reasons.
@@nicholas8739 ive seen Miles drumming in various video's on RUclips. Pls search for it. It is really just utter beginner level playing. If Miles did that endsolo himself im gonna eat my shoe for breakfast...
@@nicholas8739 i just went to do a little research myself. And I just have to say that your alleged "sources" are entirely misleading. If you dig around just a little bit deeper you'll find out who actually played the drums you can hear ;)
@@smitske1990 I hope you like shoe for breakfast
The emotion that megamind shows at the end is priceless
cybergus18 yes
Nice
Jajajajaja
Lol! 🤣
Will Ferrell isn't in this...
I only just realized that Andrew has earned Fletcher's respect, even before the smile, the help, and the fixed cymbal. The entire movie, he only ever calls Andrew by his last name: Nieman. Nieman literally means "nobody". But after Caravan, when the lights dim and return, Fletcher walks up to the kit and calls him:
"Andrew"
to be fair, he calls him andrew when they first meet at the bar but i get what u mean
@@no-no7md oh wow I didn't even realize that, but that also serves as a clue to his ruse at the time.
Audience "OMG, what a breathtaking drum solo! This guy is the best drummer ever!"
Band "Okay."
Bruh the band was at awe
Love it when he said "Andrew what are you doing man" I it was almost like he was saying he's done enough, there's nothing left to prove. But Andrew still went on to prove how good he was. Love this movie!
Great*
Also the first Fletcher shows respect. Calling him Andrew instead of Neiman
@@randall_pitchfork_6493 yeah, even his tone of voice is different, when Andrew starts playing he’s like “I will gouge your fucking eyes out” but when he asks him “what are you doing man” it’s like he’s treating him as an equal
@@randall_pitchfork_6493 He also called him Andrew at the bar after he had lost his job, but that was a manipulation tactic to make Andrew let his guard down, but this time it felt sincere
The shot of Andrew's dad is the most important one in this scene. It is otherwise the most supremely satisfying final scene in cinema, as far as I'm concerned, the resolution of a tension which is built up through the entire length of the film. But we are also reminded that when someone who actually loves Andrew Neiman - as neither Fletcher or Andrew himself does - sees this, it isn't triumphant: it's horrifying.
@tsolias27 Actually, the color of Andrew's clothes play an important role. In the first scene, Andrew is wearing a white t-shirt, that means he is an innocent and naive guy who wants to become big, gradually, he loses it's mind and becomes more and more obsessed, then in the final scene, he is wearing all black, he has lost his soul, and his father realizes that he is completely lost
@@ArturoHernandez-uk1iw nailed it.
Interesting. I've never seen it that way - as the father being horrified. I saw it as his father finally seeing for his own eyes how talented Andrew really is. Witnessing the metamorphosis into greatness taking place right before him. He was agape.
@tsolias27: The father recognizes that all the humanity that he tried to instill in his son has finally been burnt out by the obsessive negativity that motivated his pursuit of the craft. Neiman is no longer human, and as such will surely burn out and die, coked up and slumped over his drumkit, in the inevitable future.
@@ArturoHernandez-uk1iw as someone who wears all black 85% of the time, i resent this
For Fletcher, this is his life's work. For Andrew, this is his life's work. To create greatness and to achieve greatness are not outside the same box.
This is my favourite movie scene ever. In the space of one song, the protagonist and antagonist journey from detesting each other and being overwhelmed by vengeance, to an incredible mutual respect. And at the same time, both manage to fulfil a lifetimes worth of personal ambitions.
...And they'll still both be insufferable, pretentious assholes about it all until the end of time.
P
The most goosebump-inducing part of this entire movie for me is Andrew's dad watching in horror between the doors at what his son is capable of, and at the realization that he's wholly lost his son to Fletcher. Really fucked up ending depending on how you view Neiman and Fletcher's relationship to each other.
How did he lose his son? What do you mean?
@@nehh_aksat He lost his son in the sense that his son became a victim of obsession. The same obsession that might lead to him achieve so much like Charlie Parker but becoming so obsessed of being the best thing to ever exist that he might end up as a drug addict, mentally lost and death. He became a victim of Terence Fletcher's obsession.
4:13, you can tell the bassist is standing there thinking...
What... The... Fuck...
Isaac Charamuga e
Especially because apparently Miles Teller ACTUALLY played that scene.
Sai Namuduri He did, he is a drummer irl, so he had the ability to play it.
He is like " when you realize you are just a npc of someone else's main quest"
@Sai Namuduri
I want to say that he played the entire scene, but by nitpicking the audio, I caught a china cymbal being played, but there was no china on the kit. Emotionally the impact is still there, but I can’t say he played the kit the way the song sounded.
I’m more interested in a directors cut of Miles’ ACTUAL performance.
The father’s look gives me goosebumps everytime
I just realised I didn't breathe for five minutes
bro u dead?
@Mrs.Nickadeemus r/Whooosh
Same
@@BlueXAyman r/woooosh you fucking idiot
@@BlueXAyman The uno revert woosh
This is the proof you don't need anyone dying to make a great and badass movie. i watched that movie maybe 8 times.
and no guns or sex either -- those are the crutches of "excitement" in movies
more intense than any horror movie
Rookie numbers, you gotta get them up son
Every ones dying
Someone did die though
Drums. The backbone of every band. Imagine the coordination someone has to have to hit every single beat and not miss the rhythm. But in a band it's always the lead guitar and the vocals that will have the glory
thank you for this comment Jesus
@@nathanvu9200 you're a drummer ?
@@jesuschrist8336 Vocals lol but I appreciate the whole band whenever I can
I agree the drums are the backbone, but vocals are very rarely in jazz music, though there are some hits such as swing that music. The guitar does get recognition, but I would argue the lead trumpet gets the most recognition out of anyone
@ if your drummer is following the bass player I fear for your band
何度も何度も観たくなるラストシーン
1) Take a talented guy to begin with 2) Motivate and let him feel confident and happy for a while 3) Then break his confidence down to zero 4) Beat the shit out of him, humiliate till near-suicide and disgust for music 5) If he still alive and still stays 6) Legend is born.
All teachers has own unique teaching style he is doing his style to teach
Oh no, Arthur
7) Legend dies from heroin overdose at age 29
Gregory Borton It's not important how long someone lived, but how well and what accomplishments achieved in his short life. I believe we come to this world not to spend all life making babies and watching grandchild birth till we die 100y.o. The earth is the playground for achievements, come here and change it or make it better place. Dying from overdose is nasty though.
That's fuckin true 👍🏻😍
that haunting look his dad gave him, your son is gone man
gone from mediocrity
It was never his son, Fletcher was more of a dad
It’s not that necessarily. It’s the realization that his son is legendary, and that harsh fact Fletcher and his brutal tactics were instrumental in making that happen.
In that moment, all three of them realized the morbid truth about the pressures it takes that fan the flames of greatness.
That form, that glow, that indeed is the complete Ultra Instinct.
I have absolutely no interest in drumming whatsoever, even less interest in jazz music...yet this film had me glued to the screen for the entire time. The writers and director were all on top form with this film.
4:38 That smile. That damned smile
πγμSћ V yes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The whole movie just to receive this aproving smile
Deyse Sousa that smile says that he finally did it. He reached that perfection Fletcher demanded from him. He became one of the great.
I’m glad they didn’t specifically show the smile too. For the audience to guess, but it’s more than likely that that was a smile.
I think Fletcher said: "Good job!"
I love how there is LITERALLY blood, sweat and tears on the drum kit
He just killed it in the end.
And to think...he wouldn't have ever done all of this if he was never *UPSET*
Christopher Torres i dont think u said that loud enough
*I’M UPSET!*
@@dirtydan9904 *LOUDER!!!!*
Luke Heron FOR THE LAST FATHER FUCKING TIME SAY IT LOUDDDERRRR!!!!
@@grenreviews269 I. AM. UPSETTTT. !!!!!!!!!
This is the exact moment andrew became heisenberg
💀
I’d love to see that movie for the first time again. One of the greatest feelings I’ve ever had.
One of my favourite parts about this is how the light dims at the start. Andrew continues to play, not even hesitating for a second, even though the light dims; This signifies that he does not care about anything else except for playing. He was not playing to show his father that he can be successful, not because Nicole has a boyfriend and not he wants to please or is angry at Fletcher. He was well and truly playing for himself and challenged himself to see what he is truly capable of.
But the thing is, in this second part, he ends up playing for Fletcher and is happy for his approval, showing that he started out playing for himself but then went right back to playing for Fletcher's approval.
I think the lights dimming symbolized Neiman’s humanity is lost, and the lights come back and he is basically reborn someone else.
Or he came 2nd in COD gun game and didn’t know any other way of letting his anger out
The greatest musicians always leave their stage leaving everything their bodies, souls, minds, could give. It's truly the greatest exchange, to show what one's full potential can bring.
Don't know what's more impressive the drumming or the directing
guitar lover The drummrecting
guitar lover the editing
the editing is on point, so right
The acting
guitar lover everything
この映画ほんと好きだ。
映画館に見に行ってずっと手に汗握る音楽の映画なんて今後であえないだろう