Over at the Jomboy video where someone was on McNeil's side I posted about the McNeil slide (Pepridge Farms remembers, even if you don't) and linked to the CCS video from 10 months ago. Still crickets from them.
@@cmburke7 yep! It’s quite obvious the ball got away from him, and was not a throw at the batter. Just look at the pitcher running in looking at first to see if the guy was going to run. To think he was throwing at him is absurd.
As to Ramirez running in to the plate, I see that as playing baseball. The wild pitch hit the backstop and bounced up in the air. Ramirez is running in to get the ball, not at the batter. He's doing that to get control of the live ball and keep the runner from advancing further. As soon as the catcher gets control of the ball, he stopped running, so I don't think he was running at Ramirez.
How did this "sinker" end up behind the guy at head/shoulder height? This was 94MPH right behind the guy, clearly intentional, and 100% got the ejection he deserved.
As a Brewers fan I was very confused. They were a bit behind and a runner was on. Didn’t make sense to throw at him. Honestly, I just felt like it was a really bad pitch due to the scenario.
The Mets aren't very bright. They were throwing at him for the day before an instead of doing it on his first at bat, they waited until after he beat their brains in.
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Clearly intentional. Retaliation for the slide & 3-3. So obvious. Good call for the ejection. If a MLB pitcher is that far off, it’s gonna get called. Drill him in the leg or thigh. He plain missed to add insult to injury for the Mets. Both teams are good this year. Fun 2 games thus far. Go Cards! Thanks for the good baseball! -Derek W. from STL
MLB wasting no time sending the message. Ramirez suspended three, manager suspended one. I still think, especially given the assumption that the manager is responsible, any pitcher toss for intentional HBP, warnings or not, has to come with the manager going too.
Maybe to try to explain to the batter directly and umpire indirectly that he wasn't trying to hit him, that it was an accident. (I could be wrong) Edit: I personally believe that it was intentional
@@stoytastic Baseball spectators sit in the seats, when you're a player you've got something to do on every play. When the catcher is out of position the pitcher's job is to cover home.
I am 5 - 6 Days late to this vid and what happened but, your editor(s) team, need a raise. All that was "missing" was Earl Weaver clip shouting expletives at Bill Haller
Pitcher getting ejected fine. I would not be surprised if MLB starts clamping down on the coaches/managers getting involved before the umpire conference though. It is just a bad look, this one was obvious but one of these will not be and it will look like the umpires are listening to the manager and not coming up on the right decision on their own.
Pitch 7 became the red E then BANKRUPT followed by the signature sound effects from The Wheel of Fortune after all of his money was erased the pitcher name and final pitch number ERASED
That slide looked late to me and maybe I need to review update legal slide rule but I thought sliding late was not legal and that looked pretty late. Every commentator I’ve heard on this has all said it was legal. @Closecallsports thoughts?
When Shawn Estes threw behind Roger Clemens which the yellow card prevented Clemens from retaliating which he got thoroughly humiliated when he was helplessly forced to watch Estes walked around the bases when forced to pitch defensively or it was game over in three seconds for him and Joe Torre if he retaliated as one fastball became a gopher ball which cleared the left field wall at former Shea Stadium
@@philippreicher McNeil has had way more egregious slides then the one a few days ago. For him of all people to get on his soap box is wild. Rhys got the last laugh.
I think if Ramirez stays on the mound or vicinity, warn. He left the mound headed for the plate, took the option for a warning away from the umpire crew.
The slide into McNeil was cross body, not a normal slide, the intent is so obvious a blind man can see it. Then you have the leg being bent on McNeil, the potential outcome was to injure him. This was the first freaking game of the season, not the playoffs or the world series, slides like this are intentional, and the runner should have been ejected and suspended for the slide.
If beanball ⚠️ was issued in the first inning; game over automatically for Mendoza after Ramirez was straight red carded for the beanball behind Hoskins
Wow. That sinker went 5 feet further in than his spot, and it just happened to be with a guy they had beef with who was at the plate. Totally a coincidence.
First or second ejection of the last three seasons were all related to pitchers throwing at batter (although admitedly 2023 was a bit of an odd duck). Not really much of a honey moon period for this sort of thing.
10 games suspension against Phil Nevin in the brawl game between the Angels and the Mariners may have discouraged pitchers from throwing at it behind batters as they knew their manager was overexposed
I have no issues with the ejection, but damn that slide was late af. Like, for real, he was almost on the bag when he went down for the slide. I know it was "bona fide slide" by definition, but there is no way his intention was to reach the bag safely...
The intention is to break up the double play. Same as McNeil's slide last year, except McNeil was NOWHERE near the bag. Hoskins was within the rules, McNeil's wasn't and McNeil has ZERO room to complain.
@@FloridaGuy549 Muts fans will cry about anything. So will McNeil. It 100% could have been avoided if McNeil would have leaped over Hoskins like middle infielders are supposed to do when trying to turn a double play. It's a lost art but still necessary even in today's game. That's on McNeil
@@XF3693 The replay umps get so many calls wrong they should be disbanded, or buy some glasses. I didn't say the intent was to injure McNeil, just that the potential outcome could have taken him out, potentially for the season. Regardless, the side was crossbody and that should have gotten him ejected.
I wish MLB would bring back the rule where the Home Plate Umpire can eject or warn on the spot instead of getting all of the crew together. Like CCS said in a video a few years ago, you need that immediate reaction.
Everyone can see it was intentional. Worse this is happening often in MLB now, I think they need escalating punishments for this, 3 games is nothing compared to potentially injuring a professional player INTENTIONALLY for LIFE. Give us escalating punishments if they keep doing this during their career, and after a number of them... make it a life-time ban. Suddenly you'll see no relatitory assaults like this.
I have a most interesting take on this. If you are trying to convince everyone that you weren't ''trying'' to hit the batter, AND the ball is about 92 and very high, very behind the batter, it MIGHT be a bad idea to say you were ''trying to throw a sinker!" I've pitched, and for the most part, an errant sinker ball ends up bouncing - not 7 feet high and behind the hitter!!! It might have been slightly more believable had he said it was ANY other pitch than a SINKER! How dumb is that????
Ultimate deterrent for the beanball suspension the offending team loses the designated hitter for the games the offending pitcher is suspended for the sin
The ultimate deterrent for beanballs with the universal designated hitter is the penalized club loses the DH which forces the pitcher to bat in the place of the DH and they get shorted big time and have the greater risk for a loss than a win unless the pitcher forced to bat hits a home run as the team sacked 50 years forced to play old school baseball as punitive damages
This is a problem with the rules. It's OK to intentionally slide into someone, make contact with that person and potentionally severely injure that person. Yet it is not ok to throw at but miss someone. The only damage that can result in missing someone with a thrown ball is scaring him.
Except that the fielder can clear away, be after throwing for a double play or just after the force out. The batter has no recourse at all, and just has to stand there, not to mention when they get clocked in the head/face by a 95+ baseball. Note that there are also 4 specific things that need to be okay for the slider for it to be okay to make contact
I'm a Mets fan, and first... sell that "it wasn't intentional" nonsense elsewhere. Of course you were throwing at/behind him. Who's that dumb? Secondly, the Mets are HORRENDOUS at protecting their own in these instances... I travelled from Vermont down to Queens to see Syndergaard pitch against the Dodgers, only to have him tossed in the 1st, and then watch Utley smoke a few HRs including a Grand Slam... Now Hoskins goes 3 for 4 with HRs after incident. NEITHER time did they actually HIT the player. It's hilariously bad, for a team that has too often been hilariously bad.
If it wasn't intentional, _if,_ then that's a hell of a lot of gamemanship there by Milwaukee, because without all the nonsense coming from Hoskins the last couple of days, that probably goes by without a blink, just as it probably would if it was any other Milwaukee batter. Granted, the likelihood that it was just coincidental is low, but still. If I were Ramirez and I knew I wasn't throwing at him, then I'd be mighty peeved.
The three game suspension may have caused him to angrily spiked his chair in the clubhouse when he entered the ballpark when he heard he got slammed by the league office
I understand this is umpire judgement. Umpires are not mind readers. But again, I find myself asking...How does the crew KNOW Ramirez's intent there? You have to have the intent in order to issue the ejection. If you do not have intent then you simply warn. Yes, I know Hoskins spiked McNeil. I also know that MLB pitchers lose the handle all the time. All...the...time... What exactly do the unwritten rules of baseball say on this? If a guy wrongs you, is it incumbent on the next pitch that guys sees he should be wearing that pitch? Do you wait and see how he performs in that next game and when it's a crucial situation after he's gone 3for3 with a HR...THEN you plunk him? Again, I just don't know short of someone saying out loud, "Yeah...I'm going to plunk him with my next pitch." or "Yeah...I meant to plunk him there." you definitively have intent and therefore an ejection. And I do NOT put this on the umpires. Not one bit. This is a poorly written rule. I think it's poorly written on purpose because MLB likes to be able to sell this drama and they just leave it to the umpires with no public relations work backing them up.
@@XF3693 Sure it does! Guys lose the handle all the time! How does an umpire know? Short of announcing it or copping to it after the fact, they don't. I get it. As he says here, "Bad time...this is a bad time." You don't know. Nobody knows.
@@1969EType use common sense. It's not raining. Ramirez had already faced 2 batters and thrown 6 pitches, 5 of which were strikes. Ramirez had great control to that point especially his sinker which he had thrown 4 times prior in that inning. In that situation you don't "all of a sudden" lose command. Everyone understood what was going on. All of the classless Muts fans giving Ramirez a stand ovation knew exactly what his intentions were. If you continually deny the obvious, you are delusional.
Mets fan here. This is not controversial. Hoskins slid into McNeil yesterday, and it was ruled not illegal. Next day they try an intentional throw at him, but do it in a way that gets the message out without hurting anyone. It’s fair that Ramirez was ejected. And it’s common practice for the team to say it was an accident so they don’t get suspension etc..
These are MLB pitchers... If it wasn't intentional, he shouldn't be in MLB.. you don't get to the majors unless you have better control than that.. McNeil is just a crybaby... ok for him to be dirty.. bad for anyone else to be clean..
@@lastdance2099 yep, it should have been "I was going to try to turn a double play but then I messed up the transfer, so then I wasn't going to turn two" he cut out the first part
@holmj12 the batter decided beyond the bag well before he blew the transfer. The outcome would've been the same but the take out was initiated well before then.
He can get mad about a slide that has broken someone’s leg on his team and that makes him a crybaby but Hoskins isn’t a crybaby for getting mad a pitch was 2 feet behind him. Got it.
This is an easy one. The pitcher has to go. The Tom Hallion quote was perfect for this situation. I remember on September 22, 2021 when Joe West ejected Ryan Borucki. West told Borocki "That was the wrong time for that to happen."
The catcher had to run for the ball so it would be a dereliction of duty for the pitcher to stand in the mound watching home plate go uncovered. He ran to the plate because that's his job in this situation.
In a case like this yes you throw behind someone there is intent especially in the 7th. I agree in the 1st it could have gotten away from him. I like how the batter just stood there dropped the bat & put his hand on his hips like REALLY?
If he was going to get tossed anyway he should have gotten his money's worth and drilled him in the ribs. The slide in the previous game was dirty as hell.
If the Mets did nothing: "Wow the Mets are so soft for not retaliating!" The Mets did something: "How could the Mets do such an atrocity one day after honoring Americna hero Seymour Weiner??"
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Oops I accidentally cued a McNeil slide 🤣
Over at the Jomboy video where someone was on McNeil's side I posted about the McNeil slide (Pepridge Farms remembers, even if you don't) and linked to the CCS video from 10 months ago. Still crickets from them.
@@PapaVanTwee5Mc Neil didn’t slide cross body into him, yes he went after him, but this was done before the rules were changed.
Yes, it was intentional and yes he was properly ejected.
Wrong, wrong & wrong. Watch the pitcher again as he runs to home plate, he is looking at first base…
It may have not been intentional but it looked too close to not call it that way.
This feels like the clearest throwing at ejection ever
Yea, Mets fan here. I honestly think Ramirez has no control and slipped (and it was absolute shit timing. 75% of our pen is just bad.)
@@cmburke7 How did a sinker end up behind the guy at head/shoulder right though?
This feels like the clearest justified throwing at ever.
@@cmburke7 yep! It’s quite obvious the ball got away from him, and was not a throw at the batter. Just look at the pitcher running in looking at first to see if the guy was going to run. To think he was throwing at him is absurd.
@@LucianDevineever hear of a ball getting away from a pitcher?? I’ve seen them throw it the dirt, fall off the mound, etc…
lmao that McNeil slide transition was brilliant.
Close to all, excellent work by the editors
That's not a sinker
It got away!
Happy First Ejection, everybody!
As to Ramirez running in to the plate, I see that as playing baseball. The wild pitch hit the backstop and bounced up in the air. Ramirez is running in to get the ball, not at the batter. He's doing that to get control of the live ball and keep the runner from advancing further. As soon as the catcher gets control of the ball, he stopped running, so I don't think he was running at Ramirez.
That was quite evident he was doing exactly what you just described…
Can we get a video on that Atlanta "ball" call today? Gave the phillies three runs
How did this "sinker" end up behind the guy at head/shoulder height? This was 94MPH right behind the guy, clearly intentional, and 100% got the ejection he deserved.
Agreed. I thought the same thing.
The "sinker" missed the strike zone by 8 feet.
As a Brewers fan I was very confused. They were a bit behind and a runner was on. Didn’t make sense to throw at him. Honestly, I just felt like it was a really bad pitch due to the scenario.
The Mets aren't very bright. They were throwing at him for the day before an instead of doing it on his first at bat, they waited until after he beat their brains in.
PENALTY: Yohan Ramirez three games in the cooler; Carlos Mendoza one game in the cooler
T O T A L E D
Busted by Ray Charles
For punitive damages as the nuclear commissioner Ramirez fined $15,000 and Mendoza $10,000 and the Mets $35,000
Deterrent: Yohan Ramirez $15,000; Carlos Mendoza $10,000; Mets $75,000
„Our ass is in the jackpot!“ - Tom Halllion. Legendary.
Got CASHED out; judgment from Judge Judy: $45,665
The Mets took the bath
Lost $20,665
HAIRCUT
ERA took a severe hit the next game now at 5.40; punished SEVERELY
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Clearly intentional. Retaliation for the slide & 3-3. So obvious. Good call for the ejection. If a MLB pitcher is that far off, it’s gonna get called. Drill him in the leg or thigh. He plain missed to add insult to injury for the Mets. Both teams are good this year. Fun 2 games thus far. Go Cards! Thanks for the good baseball! -Derek W. from STL
Retaliation at *that* point? Not saying the ejection was wrong but the reasoning for what makes it intentional is off.
And the Mets should have done it way before, like in the 1st inning!
This genius Mets pitcher is making excuses.... Lol
MLB wasting no time sending the message. Ramirez suspended three, manager suspended one.
I still think, especially given the assumption that the manager is responsible, any pitcher toss for intentional HBP, warnings or not, has to come with the manager going too.
Umpire told Yohan Ramirez to kiss his a** goodbye after he intentionally threw behind Rhys Hoskins
Next time they will be forced to wait at least two years for the illegal beanball for retaliation or cancel it and let it go
Also why did he pitcher run towards Hoskins?? Like was he wanting a fight?
He was covering the plate because it was a wild pitch with runners on base.
@@lastdance2099 the runner was one first, not on 3rd...nice try though
Maybe to try to explain to the batter directly and umpire indirectly that he wasn't trying to hit him, that it was an accident. (I could be wrong)
Edit: I personally believe that it was intentional
@@stoytastic Baseball spectators sit in the seats, when you're a player you've got something to do on every play. When the catcher is out of position the pitcher's job is to cover home.
@lastdance2099 yes it's the pitchers job to cover when there's a runner in scoring position, there was none in scoring position here
I am 5 - 6 Days late to this vid and what happened but, your editor(s) team, need a raise. All that was "missing" was Earl Weaver clip shouting expletives at Bill Haller
Pitcher getting ejected fine. I would not be surprised if MLB starts clamping down on the coaches/managers getting involved before the umpire conference though. It is just a bad look, this one was obvious but one of these will not be and it will look like the umpires are listening to the manager and not coming up on the right decision on their own.
This process has been in place for four years. If managers don’t understand that by now, they never will.
Manager was suspended 1 game.
Greater chance for a pitcher who throws intentionally at batter to get STRAIGHT RED CARDED now
Do a video about the Tampa Bay rays Toronto Blue Jays game
Pitch 7 became the red E then BANKRUPT followed by the signature sound effects from The Wheel of Fortune after all of his money was erased the pitcher name and final pitch number ERASED
That slide looked late to me and maybe I need to review update legal slide rule but I thought sliding late was not legal and that looked pretty late. Every commentator I’ve heard on this has all said it was legal. @Closecallsports thoughts?
Nevermind I just saw the video on the slide.
Merry Ejectionmas!
There was no reason for the pitcher to run home, there wasn't nobody on third, no wonder he was ejected
But very quickly there was a runner on third. It seems prudent to cover home.
The runner was on first and w!@ going to second on the wild pitch but the pitcher sprinted in to cover home?
Someone was on first…
Which is where he was looking when he ran home…
"Trying to throw my sinker"? At least own up to it... absolute trash on behalf of the Mets.
Yes intentional, yes ejection
When Shawn Estes threw behind Roger Clemens which the yellow card prevented Clemens from retaliating which he got thoroughly humiliated when he was helplessly forced to watch Estes walked around the bases when forced to pitch defensively or it was game over in three seconds for him and Joe Torre if he retaliated as one fastball became a gopher ball which cleared the left field wall at former Shea Stadium
The Mets missed their opportunity. It was a terrible time to do that.
They should never be throwing a projectile at another human being. Especially not after a legal slide.
@@mr.brenman2132 exactly
@@mr.brenman2132would it be ok to throw at him when he ended his carrer? Just because its legal doesnt mean its clean
@@philippreicher McNeil has had way more egregious slides then the one a few days ago. For him of all people to get on his soap box is wild. Rhys got the last laugh.
@@philippreicher We saw which side karma was on today.
It begins!
How much influence did the Mets fans' reaction have in the ejection decision?
Of course it was intentional after all what happened. Good ejection so.
Hoskins just straight up OWNS the Mets, I've never seen a team so simultaneously frustrated buy a player while he just dismantles them.
If the first words from the pitcher are: "The ball just slipped," you know he threw it behind the batter on purpose.
Well how could you throw it behind him accidentally without the ball slipping?
Told to go home in three seconds
I think if Ramirez stays on the mound or vicinity, warn. He left the mound headed for the plate, took the option for a warning away from the umpire crew.
I thought he had to cover because there was a runner on base.
Ramirez may get laid out by the base runner if the illegal pitch went to the screen
The slide into McNeil was cross body, not a normal slide, the intent is so obvious a blind man can see it. Then you have the leg being bent on McNeil, the potential outcome was to injure him. This was the first freaking game of the season, not the playoffs or the world series, slides like this are intentional, and the runner should have been ejected and suspended for the slide.
This should put it to bed, though. If Ramirez hits Hoskins, we have two ejections. With a miss and ejection, there's no retaliation needed.
Got “Zorroed” when the Mexican icon marked Ramirez with the Z in the back with his sword
For sure it was intentional no doubt I don't ever believe when claim that mouthing at batter
Honestly surprised warnings weren’t issued before the game
Mendoza is lucky there weren't warnings, or he would have been ejected too.
If beanball ⚠️ was issued in the first inning; game over automatically for Mendoza after Ramirez was straight red carded for the beanball behind Hoskins
Wow. That sinker went 5 feet further in than his spot, and it just happened to be with a guy they had beef with who was at the plate. Totally a coincidence.
I'm pretty sure a sinker is not supposed to go on a rising line behind a batters head.
@@chriskay1449 "Uh... My sinker always sinks upwards..."
@@XXelpollodiabloXX Then you have a riser. You don't sink when you are going upwards.
@@chriskay1449 It's a joke, brother.
I like the (ump Marquez) at the end of the title. Nice Additon
Mets got NOTHING out of this. All they got was ghosts of their past again haunting them and a 0-2 start to the year. Gonna be a looooong season.
It feels so cursed for Hoskins not to be in a Phillies uniform
First or second ejection of the last three seasons were all related to pitchers throwing at batter (although admitedly 2023 was a bit of an odd duck). Not really much of a honey moon period for this sort of thing.
10 games suspension against Phil Nevin in the brawl game between the Angels and the Mariners may have discouraged pitchers from throwing at it behind batters as they knew their manager was overexposed
The deterrent for beanballs when the manager is overexposed by strict liability which if his pitcher is suspended the manager LOSES
I have no issues with the ejection, but damn that slide was late af. Like, for real, he was almost on the bag when he went down for the slide. I know it was "bona fide slide" by definition, but there is no way his intention was to reach the bag safely...
The intention is to break up the double play. Same as McNeil's slide last year, except McNeil was NOWHERE near the bag. Hoskins was within the rules, McNeil's wasn't and McNeil has ZERO room to complain.
@@XF3693the intent was to hurt McNeil…
@@FloridaGuy549 replay umps thought differently. If his intent was to injure they would have ejected Hoskins on the spot.
@@FloridaGuy549 Muts fans will cry about anything. So will McNeil. It 100% could have been avoided if McNeil would have leaped over Hoskins like middle infielders are supposed to do when trying to turn a double play. It's a lost art but still necessary even in today's game.
That's on McNeil
@@XF3693 The replay umps get so many calls wrong they should be disbanded, or buy some glasses. I didn't say the intent was to injure McNeil, just that the potential outcome could have taken him out, potentially for the season. Regardless, the side was crossbody and that should have gotten him ejected.
I wish MLB would bring back the rule where the Home Plate Umpire can eject or warn on the spot instead of getting all of the crew together. Like CCS said in a video a few years ago, you need that immediate reaction.
Why?
Yeah, let's let the ego of 1 man make even more of a difference on the game than it already does. Genius!
Conference is more “democratic”. Never forget Crash Davis.
Milwaukee oldies station blaring Vacation by the GoGos when the league office sacked Yohan Ramirez for three games and sacked his manager for one game
Ronald Acura, Jr when taking Yohan Ramirez downtown for 450 feet will cause him to place his hands on his knees with the head down demoralized
Everyone can see it was intentional. Worse this is happening often in MLB now, I think they need escalating punishments for this, 3 games is nothing compared to potentially injuring a professional player INTENTIONALLY for LIFE. Give us escalating punishments if they keep doing this during their career, and after a number of them... make it a life-time ban. Suddenly you'll see no relatitory assaults like this.
E2 - Blue Jays Pitcher Genesis Ramirez got ejected in the 8th by Todd Tichenor after the benches cleared!
First ejection of the season.
I have a most interesting take on this. If you are trying to convince everyone that you weren't ''trying'' to hit the batter, AND the ball is about 92 and very high, very behind the batter, it MIGHT be a bad idea to say you were ''trying to throw a sinker!" I've pitched, and for the most part, an errant sinker ball ends up bouncing - not 7 feet high and behind the hitter!!! It might have been slightly more believable had he said it was ANY other pitch than a SINKER! How dumb is that????
I agree. If he would have said slider or curveball, it would've been believable. Maybe even two seam, especially if his two seam runs a lot.
You have to drill the guy, not throw behind him. Now this lingers vs ending it with a hbp. Hopefully nobody get injured tomorrow.
Ultimate deterrent for the beanball suspension the offending team loses the designated hitter for the games the offending pitcher is suspended for the sin
The ultimate deterrent for beanballs with the universal designated hitter is the penalized club loses the DH which forces the pitcher to bat in the place of the DH and they get shorted big time and have the greater risk for a loss than a win unless the pitcher forced to bat hits a home run as the team sacked 50 years forced to play old school baseball as punitive damages
Hoskins cashed out Ramirez
Rhys Hoskins is the Mets daddy.
I'm not a fan of either team, but the excuses ring hollow on the pitch behind him. 😂
Now tread marks on the back of Yohan Ramirez’s jersey
This is a problem with the rules. It's OK to intentionally slide into someone, make contact with that person and potentionally severely injure that person. Yet it is not ok to throw at but miss someone. The only damage that can result in missing someone with a thrown ball is scaring him.
Except that the fielder can clear away, be after throwing for a double play or just after the force out. The batter has no recourse at all, and just has to stand there, not to mention when they get clocked in the head/face by a 95+ baseball. Note that there are also 4 specific things that need to be okay for the slider for it to be okay to make contact
I'm a Mets fan, and first... sell that "it wasn't intentional" nonsense elsewhere. Of course you were throwing at/behind him. Who's that dumb? Secondly, the Mets are HORRENDOUS at protecting their own in these instances... I travelled from Vermont down to Queens to see Syndergaard pitch against the Dodgers, only to have him tossed in the 1st, and then watch Utley smoke a few HRs including a Grand Slam... Now Hoskins goes 3 for 4 with HRs after incident. NEITHER time did they actually HIT the player. It's hilariously bad, for a team that has too often been hilariously bad.
I thought the pitcher AND manager were supposed to get ejected
That happens if there's an intentional hit by pitch after warnings have been issued.
Really? How did Yohan Ramirez get involved in this mess?
He was on the mound.
I think Mcneil shouldve sold the slide more. Acting injured on opening day wouldve won the umpire. 🤷🏻♂️
Intentional pitch yes,slide was right over the bag(get out the way),and they all big liars!!!
Three games in the sin bin for Ramirez
If it wasn't intentional, _if,_ then that's a hell of a lot of gamemanship there by Milwaukee, because without all the nonsense coming from Hoskins the last couple of days, that probably goes by without a blink, just as it probably would if it was any other Milwaukee batter.
Granted, the likelihood that it was just coincidental is low, but still. If I were Ramirez and I knew I wasn't throwing at him, then I'd be mighty peeved.
That was intentional but that’s old school baseball and I love it. LET’S GO YANKEES!!!!
Crew chief umpire as rugby referee after the TMO, go to the penalty card and the card raised is RED Yohan Ramirez is SENT OFF aka iCARTE ROJO!
Ramirez easily in frustration spikes his chair in the clubhouse if Hoskins was intentionally hit and later score the punishing run
The three game suspension may have caused him to angrily spiked his chair in the clubhouse when he entered the ballpark when he heard he got slammed by the league office
Hook and book
The mets embarrassing themselves? No way. Never would have guessed it 😂
Incredible ass in the jack pot reference lindsay!!!! Love the splice in
“Oops” LOL
I understand this is umpire judgement. Umpires are not mind readers. But again, I find myself asking...How does the crew KNOW Ramirez's intent there? You have to have the intent in order to issue the ejection. If you do not have intent then you simply warn. Yes, I know Hoskins spiked McNeil. I also know that MLB pitchers lose the handle all the time. All...the...time... What exactly do the unwritten rules of baseball say on this? If a guy wrongs you, is it incumbent on the next pitch that guys sees he should be wearing that pitch? Do you wait and see how he performs in that next game and when it's a crucial situation after he's gone 3for3 with a HR...THEN you plunk him? Again, I just don't know short of someone saying out loud, "Yeah...I'm going to plunk him with my next pitch." or "Yeah...I meant to plunk him there." you definitively have intent and therefore an ejection. And I do NOT put this on the umpires. Not one bit. This is a poorly written rule. I think it's poorly written on purpose because MLB likes to be able to sell this drama and they just leave it to the umpires with no public relations work backing them up.
You know the "pitcher's intention" because he tried to throw a "sinker" that missed the zone by eight feet. That doesn't happen in MLB.
@@XF3693 Sure it does! Guys lose the handle all the time! How does an umpire know? Short of announcing it or copping to it after the fact, they don't. I get it. As he says here, "Bad time...this is a bad time." You don't know. Nobody knows.
@@1969EType use common sense. It's not raining. Ramirez had already faced 2 batters and thrown 6 pitches, 5 of which were strikes. Ramirez had great control to that point especially his sinker which he had thrown 4 times prior in that inning.
In that situation you don't "all of a sudden" lose command.
Everyone understood what was going on. All of the classless Muts fans giving Ramirez a stand ovation knew exactly what his intentions were.
If you continually deny the obvious, you are delusional.
BOOM! He gone
"Oops I accidentally cued a McNeil slide" 😂 love that, Lindsey!
Did it at Truist Park he may get pancaked by the Chick-fil-A cow
CANCELED in threes seconds
Ramirez and Mendoza after they got knocked down hard by MLB as penalties for their sins are singing Dizzy by Tommy Roe
Rhys owns the Mets
Why let the guy get hits all day first?
It was Severino's first start as a Met and first start of the season. He would've been tossed in the first inning if he hit Hoskins.
Textbook
Mets fan here. This is not controversial. Hoskins slid into McNeil yesterday, and it was ruled not illegal. Next day they try an intentional throw at him, but do it in a way that gets the message out without hurting anyone. It’s fair that Ramirez was ejected. And it’s common practice for the team to say it was an accident so they don’t get suspension etc..
Krama going 2 hit the brewery
Wierd place/target for a sinker. Good ej.
These are MLB pitchers... If it wasn't intentional, he shouldn't be in MLB.. you don't get to the majors unless you have better control than that.. McNeil is just a crybaby... ok for him to be dirty.. bad for anyone else to be clean..
Did you hear McNeil say he *wasn't* trying to turn two ... when he obviously was?
@@lastdance2099 yep, it should have been "I was going to try to turn a double play but then I messed up the transfer, so then I wasn't going to turn two" he cut out the first part
@holmj12 the batter decided beyond the bag well before he blew the transfer. The outcome would've been the same but the take out was initiated well before then.
@@jsunflyguy I'm talking about the fielder McNeil...
Not the runner Hoskins or the batter runner Adames (maybe restate because I'm confused)
He can get mad about a slide that has broken someone’s leg on his team and that makes him a crybaby but Hoskins isn’t a crybaby for getting mad a pitch was 2 feet behind him. Got it.
This is an easy one. The pitcher has to go. The Tom Hallion quote was perfect for this situation. I remember on September 22, 2021 when Joe West ejected Ryan Borucki. West told Borocki "That was the wrong time for that to happen."
The catcher had to run for the ball so it would be a dereliction of duty for the pitcher to stand in the mound watching home plate go uncovered. He ran to the plate because that's his job in this situation.
In a case like this yes you throw behind someone there is intent especially in the 7th. I agree in the 1st it could have gotten away from him. I like how the batter just stood there dropped the bat & put his hand on his hips like REALLY?
Congratulations, you are the first suspension of the new season. See you in five games.
Slapped down hard
@@TonyChaneyI was wrong on one extent. Not five, three.
Mets 100% wrong. And McNeil is wrong about the slide and he’s a wimp.
TOTAL LOSS
Until rules change, umpires shouldn’t be putting hands on managers, coaches or players.
This has been happening for 100 years. Its part of controlling the field. Literally taught.
@@dougr188 putting hands on anyone is never taught.
The situation is a fair point. I definitely think it was an accident, but I understand the ejection. Gotta keep the game moving.
I'm glad the Mariners got rid of Ramirez, hes such a bush leaguer.
HOSED
If he was going to get tossed anyway he should have gotten his money's worth and drilled him in the ribs. The slide in the previous game was dirty as hell.
From honoring a fallen hero one day to intentionally throwing at a batter the next. Only the Mets.
Yes. Well known fact that only the Mets have ever thrown at a batter.
If the Mets did nothing: "Wow the Mets are so soft for not retaliating!"
The Mets did something: "How could the Mets do such an atrocity one day after honoring Americna hero Seymour Weiner??"
Hoskins was trying to hurt McNeil. Period