Honestly the fact that I have an almost 10 minute video just at the high level of the differences I think proves that both can be had and fill very different needs.
Oathsworn appears inspired by: Conan (energy cubes) + Time Stories (time mechanic/story skill checks) + Gloomhaven (story/game mechanic/more random AI) ATO appears inspired by: KDM (combat mechanics, more combat AI) + 7th Continent (journey) + Middara (story, tech) + Fantasy Flight LCGs (doom based story) Both are great pedigrees. And both introduce their own unique mechanics. Personally I think I'll go with ATO as it has more depth. Oathsworn has more different mechanics but more streamlined.
Yeah both I feel are an iterative evolution of many things with some great inspirations and yeah, both feel unique on their own which is great. I'm glad I was able to help you be confident in what best suits you :)
Thanks King, I was so split on these. Really needed a summery to help focus what game offers what is important to me, as there is no way I can afford both. Roll on 2021 and AT:O 👍
Good video - again. I instantly backed AT:O and haven't regretted it over the campaign. For me, the most important difference which kept me from backing Oathsworn, is the sheer novelty and Innovation present in AT:O. Oathsworn is more like the last in a line, the perfected modern campaign-boardgame, but it is more refined than innovative. It looks generic, almost cliched, I wouldn't have been surprised if it was "The Dark Eye Boardgame" or "Pathfinder Boardgame" or some such. I have played Gloomhaven, I have backed several campaign board games since then, i.e. Machina Arcana, Tainted Grail, Etherfields, The Isofarian Guard, AT:O. Lots of others I passed on because they seemed too similar to the fanatsy genre standard. But I agree that Oathsworn looks really good! I'm super hyped for AT:O though. The amazing story, the escalating conflict, the Greek setting... can't wait! (okay, I'll have all the other games mentioned above soon to keep me until then!).
Great points indeed! I agree with yoru take on "last line" bit - to me, Oathsworn is "the best version of ___" I've seen. Seen plenty of giant rats but OMG the BroodMother is the best I've seen. I've seen a lot of barbarians but OMG that exile is utterly fantastic. There are some pretty good lesser seen stuff too like the bird dude and such which is also super appreciated. Not much beats sci-fi post-apocalyptic ancient Greece though :D
AT:O combat is not innovative. Its a copy of KDM combat. I know it's not popular to say because "its inspiration"... but I really hope Adam Poots was at least approached by the AT:O team and asked "do you mind if we make a scifi greek version of your game?"
@@jensriisomschultz3809 says the guy who hasn't played it :P Seriously though I don't get it. Oathsworn has exploding dice, that's not new. Bloodrage has drafting, that's not new. Descent has symbols on dice for powers, that's not new, KD:M has miniature movement, equipment cards, to-hit and to-wound dice rolls and those aren't new either. I'm quite thankful that the industry isn't chained to never iterating in mechanics or we'd get nowhere :)
@@jensriisomschultz3809 Thank you for pointing that out. I must admit I haven't played KD:M (nor AT:O yet). But from what I've read about it, there are similarities, like the three levels of AI cards and hit zones. But are there equivalences to Kratos points (team combo mechanics), the Triskelion (balance of danger/risk) in KD:M? The gameplay mechanics in AT:O seem to fit the theme of cinematic escalating action, power and stakes, in combat as well as storyline.
Thank you! This kind of comparison summary is exactly what I’ve been looking for! I hope you’re doing this for all the big storytelling games on KS - I’ll definitely be on the lookout for them. These two games, plus Time of Legends: Destinies all out around the same time really calls for this kind of comparison, but I also think it would help to compare these to other games even if the campaigns are over, such as Tainted Grail, Etherfields, Sleeping Gods, etc.
That's the best solution in my book haha. Seriously though with all the difference is not like they really overlap much do both highly viable to be included in a collection.
honestly I watched the oathsworn playthrough on the dice tower and I do not understand the hype, it seems too streamlined to me. personally went with AT:O, it looks so much better to me
I'm in the same spot PCPandemic. I was honestly more excited for OID a few months ago but the more I watched the flatter it all felt. I don't get the sense of OTI being grittier or on a more personal level with the characters and do find ATO both more on the epic level but also with a huge amount of background development on the character level. However, KiA has played both and I do respect and value his thoughts and wonder if I'm working with too little information.
@@heathsmith4864 well I already backed AT:O and totally cannot afford getting oathsworn too but yeah, I'm sure if I played it I would enjoy it, I just have too many campaign games coming my way and this one didn't strike me at all, other than the elf mini, that looks amazing IMO
Honestly i think Oathsworn benefits from being streamlined to a certain decree. To me it's the fun of combat , rolling all those dice and discovering whether you made that big hit or not. Suits well into the aspect of being a paid for hire monster hunting machine. That said , i backed both and on a personal note, am probably looking forward more to ATO then Oathsworn. Then again i'm very excited to play ATO solo or with just one more, whilst for Oathsworn , i'm eyeing that good number four. PS if executed right , then i'll love the boss climbing mechanic in ATO and the armory pack of Oathsworn.
Good points! In the end we're all working with just the super first part of these games. Chapter 1 of Oathsworn for instance is less than 1/20th of the full game O.o I will say that playing Oathsworn the first time, versus the 4th time is a huge difference in how you play. The game systems are very nuanced and new players will typically just play as many cards that they can while more seasoned players actually hold back to plan things in the future. I've talked a lot about those strategies in various threads on BGG if you're interested but yeah, watching a first time player play Oathsworn is almost maddening to me lol. It's like watching one of my young children play a video game haha. That being said, as you can tell from the video they are very different games and will appeal for different reasons to different people. I can totally see what PCPandemic is talking about and agree, if you want a ton of GAME as in more stuff to do then AT:O is definitely it. But not everyone is okay with the heavy 50/50 split. You spend much more time out of battle than you do in Oathsworn and so lots of people might like the more combat focus of Oathsworn, especially with their iron man, hardcore and challenge modes.
@@TheKingofAverage One big stop sign for me in Oathsworn is the card play. My wife has the worst AP ever and how you feel with new players will be permanently lol
I backed both. I was hoping Oathsworn had a deeper legacy or world building mechanic. But guess not. Regardless, im loving how the Oathsworn developers are focused on ease of play or quality of life function for the players. Ever since playing Gloomhaven, I figured out that a great game barely comes out on the table if it takes massive amount of time to setup and a massive amount of components laying about.
Completely agreed. There are some games we've picked and then decided against for setup time alone. As for how "twisted" the tale gets, we've only played Chapter 1 which is less than 1/20th of the game so it's hard to really gauge how much it's twist and turn. Will have to wait for the final review for that :)
Really appreciate you taking the time to provide this insight. I am pretty hard core into AT:O and Oath hasn't really peaked my interest as much even though it sounds like something I would be much more into with a darker, grittier story. Reading through the parts of the story I have one across I didn't get that sense but your video has convinced me to give it another look. They both look like incredible games and I am excited to see how the community embrases them. Loving the music at the end too!
Glad I could help Heath! Considering this is a 10 minute video just going over the high level differences it's safe to say that 1 might appeal more than another to people as they honestly aren't all that comparable. It also means it's safe to have both in a collection as they satisfy different needs for a gaming group. Really glad to hear you like the music! I sometimes worry about having "bold" music but felt this fits the epic/adventurous tone of these games quite well :)
I have backed the Oathsworn since 1) It was first boardgame for me and my gf so streamlined helps even though it looks generic fantasy theme 2) Oathsworn promised ease of access to rule and book keeping. That's all we total newbie want 3) We love painting. Bigger mean easier. Even though i could say that i like the details and design of ATO but the materials of choice is not really great for painting. i wish they could be resin and rise the price abit rather than going cheap on it since they told backers before it will be much better than KD:A but it might be just me. For now i will be backing on OID while waiting for ATO to available retail
@vann tedd Probably, most Kickstarter items are available in retail only the matter of time i guess. For us the Oathsworn will take a year worth of our sunday game time with painting included so waiting is ok.
@@TheKingofAverage Yes thanks to your answer in previous video. It was quite expensive leap of faith for first timer but minis are generic so we might even able to use it for future other board games
This was a great comparison. I'm going with Oathsworn but I kinda wanted ATO to be more for me. I like ATO's story more and it seems more unique in scale and gameplay, but its aesthetic leans into a bizarre type of horror that I don't like at all. eg. While Oathsworn leans a little too generic, I'd rather be painting a polar bear warrior than pile of fingers... thing
LOL! Yeah I couldn't stress the difference in theme enough on this video. They are pretty much worlds apart in that regard :D I often view Oathsworn as "the best iteration of something I've seen". For instance, we've seen giant rats before, we all have. But their's is fantastic. I've seen plenty of barbarians too, but that exile is esquisite. Witches? Yeah seen lots of them but never one with a chained collar :). Some are pretty unique like the bird dude and such but in the end I enjoy the quality of it all (plus the grimdark theme/gorgeous art).
Thanks for video. Yeah, Im still deciding which one to go with. I really like card driven combat of oathsworn (Mageknight and GH are my top games), but story flow of Aeon.
As a fan of card games that allow for combos I completely agree, that's the highlight of Oathsworn for me as well. That and the low-fantasy grim dark setting of it all. AT:O's co-op mechanics are a real treat as well, and the way it games it's own rules (swapping out decks, mid battle story bits, etc.) is a lot of fun. I'm quite thankful I don't have to pick just one as it's a hard choice indeed! :)
@@TheKingofAverage Oops sorry, edited my post a bit. Do you know if that fight will be shown before end of KS? I would like to see how different mechanically fights are. If not, would be allowed to hear about it in PM on BGG if I ask you for example?
Love the art of AT:O but reminds me too much of Tainted Grail which I didn`t enjoy (too much decision making and notes taking) I am happy with a more streamlined game like Oathsworn and the app is definitely a plus for me.Thks
Wow. Surprised to see this. Thought you were annoyed both times I asked. Second time I was just joking anyhow. I backed both. Was always going to. Some really great analysis here.
Oh no not at all! Sorry if it came off that way :) I absolutely love talking with all of you guys! I've been asked "which one?" About two dozen times since AT:O first came to KS so this video is kind overdue :)
Both are great games and I am sure some will back both. Nice though to listen to a video that tries to provide people who can only buy one to make a decision. I backed Oathsworn because I have known about it for well over 12 months. Didn't back ATO, but I was tempted as they are different games. Interesting update from Shadowborne today, the rest of the campaign has swapped to daily unlocks.
Nice to see confirmation with all the added info you provided that I indeed made the best choice for me. Oathsworn it is and nothing against Aeon for others.
You are quite welcome! I've enjoyed both very much actually! If I couldn't get both all-in I'd core pledge both before going all-in on one or the other. That's a TON of game for the price. If I was really tight I'd back Oathsworn (cheaper) and $1 AT:O to see if my finances opened up during the PM.
Thanks for the comparison, I'm a new subscriber and appreciate your work. One thing that's hard to tell from videos of the first battle in both games is how variable the fights will be throughout the campaign. Do the different bosses in each game offer new challenges and require new tactics? From what I've seen AT:O will change a lot but I'm not sure about Oathsworn.
I've played another big I don't want to spoil but it was COMPLETELY different. They Broodmother's thing is very much about using adds, whereas this other one would teleport around the map and shoot aoe magic a ton. Movement ( to chase him down) was a big deal there and having a Warden in the party really helps that fight. Also welcome Gil! :) I'm sure happy to have you here!
@@kosterix123 A good thing to consider! Of course playing solo you can "pause" the game far easier and go have lunch, or whatever and come back to it. I also wonder if solo players typically save time or not? I'm no ta huge solo player so not a good judge on that. Part of me thinks many people would go faster as they don't have to discuss things, but if your the type of person to spend some time on their turn to get an optimal play, having a larger turn would just exacerbate the issue I bet.
Kosteri x more like 0.5 hr. city and 1-1.5hr. Encounter when playing solo from what I’ve seen. So I wouldn’t worry too much about length. Plus it’s easy to save and just play one part per session.
Thank you so much for the video! Unfortunately, like others have said, I feel like I really should get both. :D I may sell Batman since no one in my game group is interested in playing it. That should help. On the other hand, I probably don't have time for the 200 hours in AT:O, so maybe I'll just skip it. Hmmm.....
haha yeah these long games are...well long :D I do suggest base pledging both before going all in on just one if both appeal to you :) Lots of bang for your buck there and it's less than either one's all-in.
For me, I will probably paly more solo and provably it would fit better the Oathsworn, but for this types of games, I don't like to much to depend on luck while rolling the dices and basically not having a lot of control of the situation, so for me is a drawback. Otherthing the price of Oathsworn seems to be a lot related to the miniatures and not the complexity of the game. For me, miniatures are in the plus/bonus side, if has cool if not ok. Because of all of this, I think I will stick to AT: O. What do you think based on what I said?
I say go for it! Both are soloable (with Oathsworn being extremely soloable by really anyone). AT:O works really well since each character only has 2 actions to take. Combined with the co-op mechanics you can kind of view it as the ability to make 4-8 actions on your turn :) The co-op stuff also helps you have a bit more mitigation from randomness (helping ensure you land a hit for instance).
@@TheKingofAverage Thanks for your opinion. I think this is the kinda of information (including the video) that help me to decide what game to buy and play that fit more my taste and not get disappointed. For example my case, Oathsworn is a great game but maybe is not for me.
It'll be very interesting to see the schedules for both for sure, especially for production. Game design I feel they were both pretty concrete and mostly done.
Damn Mike, now you got me questioning wether I made the right decision passing on ATP in anticipation of OID 🤔I had given ATP a miss coz the theme and aesthetics didn’t appeal to me (plus price) but the game mechanics certainly sound enticing! However, the ease of set up / teardown, solo friendly, more modest scope and length (means easier to actually get a full campaign playthrough!) does still swing it for me, I think. Damn. May have to go back and reevaluate.
haha yeah it's a tough one for sure. I find theme to be hugely important to myself so for me, if the theme doesn't give then I tend to care less, but their are exceptions. I always advice that if you think you'd like both to base pledge both before going all-in on either one. A much better bang for your buck. But yeah, very different themes, tones and mechanics.
The King of Average Which combat system do you prefer? And how highly would you rank that of OID compared to other similar games? On a completely different note: did you find in OID there was much handling of the coins? I’m trying to think how much value getting those coins would really bring. My impression is one doesn’t handle the coins much as there’s no bartering and the buying gear session only happens once per chapter.
The combat is what splits off to completely different comparison wise. Oathsworn has the card stuff that I always find myself enjoying and AT:O has the co-op tokens which makes it fun as well. I think for me when it comes down to strict combat only view of it I enjoyed AT:O's stuff. Neither are even close to bad of course. As for the coins, you do handle them fairly often. You gain or pay some stuff at least a few times during the chapter. One interesting point is your money can be pooled together, but whatever you gain you control. So when paying someone or buying something you often need to discuss with everyone and come to an agreement. It's kind of your "stake" in the matter.
@@KarimTheilgaard I enjoy both a lot but if I had to pick one for myself only it'd probably be AT:O as it's like KD:M but a cooler theme (IMO) and far less grindy and team based. However my wif e didn't like AT:O and much prefers Oathsworn, which I can also play with my daughter. If I had to back just one it'd be Oathsworn because of that. I like the minis of Oathsworn more as well. I think that's what makes it so hard to pick just one lol. Pros and Cons to each :D
Yeah AT:O can. Each character kind of fields like advanced abilities, and with only 2 actions it goes by quick. There's still more upkeep and so Oathsworn eeks out as best for solo play, but it's certainly doable.
Yeah not a ton is known for AT:O. Currently my understanding is the app for AT:O will be to keep information saved over time. I've not heard of plans to record the story book.
They both look like fantastic games, and I pitched a dollar to both, leaving the final decision to the pledge manager. I might try to swing both, as I love this emerging "boss battler" genre. Granted, I'm also hoping to get into the pledge manager for KDM this Black Friday (assuming it reopens to nonbackers), so I may end up backing neither after dropping that bundle! Either way, a great video for what looks to be two solid games coming our way.
My group enjoyed AT:O more on average (I enjoyed both immensely) but my family enjoyed Oathsworn more on average (thanks in no small part in the ability of my 10yo daughter to play Oathsworn with us) so that coupled with he slightly cheaper price would have me go with Oathsworn should I have to choose. That being said, I'd grab both at a base pledge before going all-in on either one. Hope that helped! :)
Nice video! I was looking around for a comparison and this was good. For me the story is perhaps the most important part in a game like this. How well written and interesting it is, so I just have to continue to play the game so I get to know how the story ends! Based on what you’ve played so far, which one of these do you feel is the better in terms of well written story?
I'm not sure I'm a great expert on that front. I'm more in tune with overall story beats vs. how well written something is, but what I can say, beyond their scope and general focus (AT:O on events, Oathsworn on location) is neither was full of typos or badly worded sentences. I think beyond the theme being totally different, having James Cosmo read it like an audio book (complete with changing his voice/speech pattern to match the character speaking) is a much different experience than reading it out loud yourself such as in AT:O. AT:O also interrupts you more with decisions which could be a pro or a con depending on your personal tastes.
Thank you for your thoughts and time! :) That voice narrative by James Cosmo seems really nice and is a big plus for Oathsworn. I get the impression that Oathsworn has a more smooth continuous journey, which could be preferable for my wife and me.
Oh yeah probably. AT:O's can be interrupted with random fights after all and such like that so it's very much sewn throughout everything but the chunks might be separated more.
Which game had the more engaging combat? I understand the description of mechanics but how did it feel as both mish mash multiple game mechanics so hard to know how it feels? Did it change solo vs coop?
They are very different styles and it's hard to summarize. Oathsworn feels more like a card game during battle whereas AT:O feels more like a Miniatures skirmish game. Solo by far would be Oathsworn. Those companion cards are fantastic for that.
Hi! Can a kind soul help me with this dilemma? I currently have: Gloomhaven, Sword and Sorcery, Wrath of Ashardalon and Mansions of Madness. In overall, I prefer streamline combat, like character building/crafting, adore good writing and art, and love a good lore/story setting with multiple branching preferably. Would like to have something to fill the same space of the games I already have, yet it should bring something new. Any advice is much appreciated!
A tough pickle for sure. Here's my take from what you said: You want Aeon Trespass: Odyssey. Both have solid combat but limiting to 2 actions per turn really helps AT:O out, along with more standard square space movement. It has crafting/building whereas Oathsworn doesn't, and both have wonderful art and a branching story/lore. Hope that helps a bit! Sounds like you'd love both, but if you can only get one I think AT:O would fit what you want more :)
@@TheKingofAverage Thanks a million for the info! Your insight on the games really helps. I haven't seen any in depth play-through because I don't want any kind of spoilers, so it was hard to have a feeling of the flow on ATO.
Oathsworn is easier to teach and learn but AT:O has a whole tutorial where it slowly introduces you to everything which is fantastic. So learning isn't an issue for either. But beginning players might be better suited for Oathsworn because at the end of the day it's just more straightforward. AT:O has a LOT of stuff and if you are okay with that (or yearn for it) then that's a good option, but most beginning board game players won't want to dive into the deep end of the pool right away :P
Hey! One year and a lot of updates, later, how have your opinion shifted? I am in a position to get one of these two, and will be mostly playing solo. Currently It is Oathsworn. ATO does seem like the longer game which is nice.
Which one would you recommend for solo players? I love and ow this war of mine, Gloomhaven, Hellboy, blackstone fortress + tainted Grail and blood borne are coming,
Heidelmann I enjoy it quite a bit! I’m a big fan of the comics so that also helps.. plus, the minis were great to paint. As long as you like rolling dice, it’s very fun!
Neither were very high (as the person who has to setup and tear down I'm quite adverse to long setup times) however Oathsworn was quicker. Neither was really long though which was nice.
@@yuarthur455 For the humans in Oathsworn yeah, but the rats still work as do perhaps some of the non-human characters :) But yeah, scale is hugely important to "sell" the look and needs to be consistent :)
@@TheKingofAverage absolutely, btw I think oathsworn switching to daily unlocks today are pretty sweet, but in my mind my intiltaled self wants Shadowborn to give us one or two more boss / hero for this over exceed success, but I guess that game balancing takes time so are quite happy for all the things we will get.
Agreed I love the change! Characters are nice because they add more group possibilities which is cool, but I've honestly been surprised how many enemy encounters we've unlocked (3 so far) :) I suspect each chapter unlocked will eventually unlock a new enemy as well :) With 25 days to go I suspect we're have a LOT more to be excited about :D
Very shallow comparison. Missing is setup tear down time shelf and table footprint, narration quality, and session duration. I didn’t back AT:O because the combat and triskelion seemed super convoluted and I couldn’t wrap my head around them. I also didn’t like the art on the gear- too much mint works on white background, not in theme with the alternative mythology era; if anything marble veins or something should be present. Another argument was that the box is 60cm wide and weight is 10kg. O:D otoh is a bit smaller and more compartmentalized, you either run around 1 city, or run around on a combat grid. In short, ATO offers more exploration and O:D offers more text that doesn’t matter since the plot points are fixed. Combat is innovative in both. I backed O:D for $1, and won’t likely back either but instead wait for the second edition which given the enormous hype and sales figures are bound to come. Instead I’ll stick with Iso that seems more doable as a solo, slth
Although the combat is tedious and clumsy. I find the shifting probability systems of both Iso and O:D intriguing enough and eventually would like to try them both. AT:O I simply don’t grok yet.
I prefer the term "high level" over "shallow" for obvious reasons :P But I do appreciate your write up and thoughts! My main goal was to focus on gameplay and feel and that tight focus for a short video did mean I didn't even touch on art styles, scope (expansions and whatnot) and more for sure. They are VERY different games and you could make quite the long video talking about the differences. And yeah, I expect both of these to hit KS again eventually :) Hopefully far enough out that we'll all have actually played through it once first :D
AT:O is SUPER unique so I can understand that stance :) I've viewed Oathsworn as "the best version of ____" each time. Like, we've all seen giant rats before, but Oathsworn has the best one I've seen. Stuff like that. Some of their stuff isn't too common like the bird people and such which I like as well - vs. just dwarves and elves. But the sci-fi ancient greek setting of AT:O? Yeah that's a unique one for sure :)
Haha yeah there is definitely that. While I firmly don't believe funding = better games, that is certainly noteworthy on just how much people are anticipating this.
Also, they seems to be better prepared in terms of knowing what to do. ITU blew my mind when mid campaign said they decided to change the plastic used for minis, those are things that should be said day one
@@Keemera i first backed all in aeon and finaly went for 1$ after watching the producers playthrough because they seemed lost in their own game so that rang a Bell for me ... And i hate long setup/teardown time so oathsworn
ATO Kickstarter was such a let down. they still feel like bargain bin KDM. I mean, 30% of their total backers were $1 pledge... that cant bond well, they couldn't make their backers commit to even their base game.
Actually a lot of us went $1 as the group all in pledge is only available in pledge manager. Shadowborne FORCED people to full pledge on day ONE to get the first day bonus. I've never seen anyone do this before and it's pretty FOMO abusive...
Not to be egotistical (more just selfish) but I don't put much stock into what the masses like or don't like, just my own opinion having played both :) The massive will back the 27th iteration of Zombicide to several million in funding. Doesn't mean it's a better game :) But I get your point for sure and should be something noted before making any decision (even if it's the choice to not care). As for the mystery box - the killer is we don't know what it is lol! If it's something super cool then people will be kicking themselves for not getting it, but buying it for $10 without knowing...yeesh. Probably the only thing that's slightly FOMO I feel. In the end it's not game related, might as well be a wristband or bottle opener in there :D
@@TheKingofAverage The thing im kicking myself about is i eye'd the Etherfields campaign throughout it's entire kickstarter. Not only did i miss the free gift but also now i'm so high on the backer number it will take a long time for me to receive the game even if production is on time which i slightly doubt with such a massive game.
@@Littlebean-t2t Well the good news is that I've never known a Kickstarter to deliver based on backer number as it'd be highly impractical :) Heck, you could very well get it before me even :D
@@TheKingofAverage O.o that's perfect news. I only started backing board games on kickstarter with the release of etherfields so imagined they would ship based on backer number. Then again i was early on Oathsworn and ATO so aww...
Both seem to be story-driven campaign games where choices are important and you discover the world as you play and make choices. Both are fairly big games with a similar mixed focus on miniatures but also cards, boards, tokens, etc. Some people see things in terms of differences more, and others see things in terms of similarities more. While the themes and scale seem to be poles apart, both are otherwise going to appeal to a certain kind of gamer and scratch similar itches, I think. But if you don't see the similarities as strongly, how about comparing them simply because they're both big, expensive kickstarters that have been featured heavily on the channel, have aroused a lot of interest on the channel, and right now is when a lot of people are having to make some tough decisions about what to back? Comparing any two similar-sized kickstarters, even without any major similarities, seems pretty valid to me. The fact that both games are big, story-driven-with-combat miniature games just makes it all the more valid, doesn't it? :)
Yeah so I agree they aren't super similar, which I think is actually the point. It's quite valid for someone to want both but be unable to fund both. The question "which one" was asked of me over 2 dozen times since AT:O first hit KS so I figured it's high time I try to explain why you would back one over the other for your group :)
This really helped, I appreciate it. The fact that Oathsworn is more solo-friendly is pretty much all I need to know. I'll be backing Oathsworn.
Really glad I could help! :)
Thanks Michael, I really appreciate that you took the time to do this.
Sure thing :D
Even though I am getting both, I still enjoyed the highlight of differences between the two.
Honestly the fact that I have an almost 10 minute video just at the high level of the differences I think proves that both can be had and fill very different needs.
Me as well
Oathsworn appears inspired by: Conan (energy cubes) + Time Stories (time mechanic/story skill checks) + Gloomhaven (story/game mechanic/more random AI)
ATO appears inspired by: KDM (combat mechanics, more combat AI) + 7th Continent (journey) + Middara (story, tech) + Fantasy Flight LCGs (doom based story)
Both are great pedigrees. And both introduce their own unique mechanics.
Personally I think I'll go with ATO as it has more depth. Oathsworn has more different mechanics but more streamlined.
@Transcendence Zen haha if I included everything then they list would be endless... Just included things that stood out the most
Yeah both I feel are an iterative evolution of many things with some great inspirations and yeah, both feel unique on their own which is great. I'm glad I was able to help you be confident in what best suits you :)
@vann tedd haha you spelt Oathsworn wrong twice, found that very cute lol
Will oathsworn gameplay too simplistic?
Thanks King, I was so split on these. Really needed a summery to help focus what game offers what is important to me, as there is no way I can afford both. Roll on 2021 and AT:O 👍
Awesome! Really glad I could help :)
Good video - again.
I instantly backed AT:O and haven't regretted it over the campaign. For me, the most important difference which kept me from backing Oathsworn, is the sheer novelty and Innovation present in AT:O. Oathsworn is more like the last in a line, the perfected modern campaign-boardgame, but it is more refined than innovative. It looks generic, almost cliched, I wouldn't have been surprised if it was "The Dark Eye Boardgame" or "Pathfinder Boardgame" or some such. I have played Gloomhaven, I have backed several campaign board games since then, i.e. Machina Arcana, Tainted Grail, Etherfields, The Isofarian Guard, AT:O. Lots of others I passed on because they seemed too similar to the fanatsy genre standard.
But I agree that Oathsworn looks really good!
I'm super hyped for AT:O though. The amazing story, the escalating conflict, the Greek setting... can't wait! (okay, I'll have all the other games mentioned above soon to keep me until then!).
the Creek setting really sold me on it, too
Great points indeed! I agree with yoru take on "last line" bit - to me, Oathsworn is "the best version of ___" I've seen. Seen plenty of giant rats but OMG the BroodMother is the best I've seen. I've seen a lot of barbarians but OMG that exile is utterly fantastic. There are some pretty good lesser seen stuff too like the bird dude and such which is also super appreciated.
Not much beats sci-fi post-apocalyptic ancient Greece though :D
AT:O combat is not innovative. Its a copy of KDM combat. I know it's not popular to say because "its inspiration"... but I really hope Adam Poots was at least approached by the AT:O team and asked "do you mind if we make a scifi greek version of your game?"
@@jensriisomschultz3809 says the guy who hasn't played it :P
Seriously though I don't get it. Oathsworn has exploding dice, that's not new. Bloodrage has drafting, that's not new. Descent has symbols on dice for powers, that's not new, KD:M has miniature movement, equipment cards, to-hit and to-wound dice rolls and those aren't new either.
I'm quite thankful that the industry isn't chained to never iterating in mechanics or we'd get nowhere :)
@@jensriisomschultz3809 Thank you for pointing that out. I must admit I haven't played KD:M (nor AT:O yet). But from what I've read about it, there are similarities, like the three levels of AI cards and hit zones. But are there equivalences to Kratos points (team combo mechanics), the Triskelion (balance of danger/risk) in KD:M?
The gameplay mechanics in AT:O seem to fit the theme of cinematic escalating action, power and stakes, in combat as well as storyline.
Great breakdown of the two games. Looking forward to both of them
Me as well! Glad you liked it :)
Thanks so much. I needed this comparison from someone who has played both rather than looking at the KS's
Glad I could help! :)
Thank you! This kind of comparison summary is exactly what I’ve been looking for! I hope you’re doing this for all the big storytelling games on KS - I’ll definitely be on the lookout for them. These two games, plus Time of Legends: Destinies all out around the same time really calls for this kind of comparison, but I also think it would help to compare these to other games even if the campaigns are over, such as Tainted Grail, Etherfields, Sleeping Gods, etc.
So what I learned today is I should back both. Works for me! Lol
That's the best solution in my book haha. Seriously though with all the difference is not like they really overlap much do both highly viable to be included in a collection.
@@TheKingofAverage Thanks so much for your awesome insight, really appreciate what you do!
You are very welcome Scott :)
honestly I watched the oathsworn playthrough on the dice tower and I do not understand the hype, it seems too streamlined to me.
personally went with AT:O, it looks so much better to me
I'm in the same spot PCPandemic. I was honestly more excited for OID a few months ago but the more I watched the flatter it all felt. I don't get the sense of OTI being grittier or on a more personal level with the characters and do find ATO both more on the epic level but also with a huge amount of background development on the character level. However, KiA has played both and I do respect and value his thoughts and wonder if I'm working with too little information.
@@heathsmith4864 well I already backed AT:O and totally cannot afford getting oathsworn too but yeah, I'm sure if I played it I would enjoy it, I just have too many campaign games coming my way and this one didn't strike me at all, other than the elf mini, that looks amazing IMO
Honestly i think Oathsworn benefits from being streamlined to a certain decree. To me it's the fun of combat , rolling all those dice and discovering whether you made that big hit or not. Suits well into the aspect of being a paid for hire monster hunting machine. That said , i backed both and on a personal note, am probably looking forward more to ATO then Oathsworn. Then again i'm very excited to play ATO solo or with just one more, whilst for Oathsworn , i'm eyeing that good number four. PS if executed right , then i'll love the boss climbing mechanic in ATO and the armory pack of Oathsworn.
Good points! In the end we're all working with just the super first part of these games. Chapter 1 of Oathsworn for instance is less than 1/20th of the full game O.o
I will say that playing Oathsworn the first time, versus the 4th time is a huge difference in how you play. The game systems are very nuanced and new players will typically just play as many cards that they can while more seasoned players actually hold back to plan things in the future. I've talked a lot about those strategies in various threads on BGG if you're interested but yeah, watching a first time player play Oathsworn is almost maddening to me lol. It's like watching one of my young children play a video game haha.
That being said, as you can tell from the video they are very different games and will appeal for different reasons to different people. I can totally see what PCPandemic is talking about and agree, if you want a ton of GAME as in more stuff to do then AT:O is definitely it. But not everyone is okay with the heavy 50/50 split. You spend much more time out of battle than you do in Oathsworn and so lots of people might like the more combat focus of Oathsworn, especially with their iron man, hardcore and challenge modes.
@@TheKingofAverage One big stop sign for me in Oathsworn is the card play. My wife has the worst AP ever and how you feel with new players will be permanently lol
I backed both. I was hoping Oathsworn had a deeper legacy or world building mechanic. But guess not. Regardless, im loving how the Oathsworn developers are focused on ease of play or quality of life function for the players. Ever since playing Gloomhaven, I figured out that a great game barely comes out on the table if it takes massive amount of time to setup and a massive amount of components laying about.
Completely agreed. There are some games we've picked and then decided against for setup time alone.
As for how "twisted" the tale gets, we've only played Chapter 1 which is less than 1/20th of the game so it's hard to really gauge how much it's twist and turn. Will have to wait for the final review for that :)
Really appreciate you taking the time to provide this insight. I am pretty hard core into AT:O and Oath hasn't really peaked my interest as much even though it sounds like something I would be much more into with a darker, grittier story. Reading through the parts of the story I have one across I didn't get that sense but your video has convinced me to give it another look. They both look like incredible games and I am excited to see how the community embrases them. Loving the music at the end too!
Glad I could help Heath! Considering this is a 10 minute video just going over the high level differences it's safe to say that 1 might appeal more than another to people as they honestly aren't all that comparable. It also means it's safe to have both in a collection as they satisfy different needs for a gaming group.
Really glad to hear you like the music! I sometimes worry about having "bold" music but felt this fits the epic/adventurous tone of these games quite well :)
I have backed the Oathsworn since
1) It was first boardgame for me and my gf so streamlined helps even though it looks generic fantasy theme
2) Oathsworn promised ease of access to rule and book keeping. That's all we total newbie want
3) We love painting. Bigger mean easier. Even though i could say that i like the details and design of ATO but the materials of choice is not really great for painting. i wish they could be resin and rise the price abit rather than going cheap on it since they told backers before it will be much better than KD:A but it might be just me.
For now i will be backing on OID while waiting for ATO to available retail
Welcome to the hobby! Oathsworn is indeed supper streamlined, smart choice :)
@vann tedd Probably, most Kickstarter items are available in retail only the matter of time i guess. For us the Oathsworn will take a year worth of our sunday game time with painting included so waiting is ok.
@@TheKingofAverage Yes thanks to your answer in previous video. It was quite expensive leap of faith for first timer but minis are generic so we might even able to use it for future other board games
I might have gotten overboard by backing Etheefields, Aeon , Isofarian and Oathsworn....sigh
Well look at it this way, you now have about 2,458 hours of game next year! :D
@@TheKingofAveragelol...yup..and topping it off with TG..life is good
Same man... Same... And Trudvang Legends to top it all off.
@@NicolasCharly Hah Trudvang... I ended up not going into that one, and now Oathsworn is also looking not that enticing to me.
Great coverage as always...
Thanks a ton Dan - glad you liked it! :)
"VS"?!
Getting both! Problem Solved! :D
Really that's the simplest solution 😆
@@TheKingofAverage Getting none is even simpler at first glance, but then fighting regret will complicate things in the long run ;-)
This was a great comparison. I'm going with Oathsworn but I kinda wanted ATO to be more for me. I like ATO's story more and it seems more unique in scale and gameplay, but its aesthetic leans into a bizarre type of horror that I don't like at all. eg. While Oathsworn leans a little too generic, I'd rather be painting a polar bear warrior than pile of fingers... thing
LOL! Yeah I couldn't stress the difference in theme enough on this video. They are pretty much worlds apart in that regard :D
I often view Oathsworn as "the best iteration of something I've seen". For instance, we've seen giant rats before, we all have. But their's is fantastic. I've seen plenty of barbarians too, but that exile is esquisite. Witches? Yeah seen lots of them but never one with a chained collar :).
Some are pretty unique like the bird dude and such but in the end I enjoy the quality of it all (plus the grimdark theme/gorgeous art).
Thank you for the information.
You are very welcome Michael!
Thanks for video. Yeah, Im still deciding which one to go with. I really like card driven combat of oathsworn (Mageknight and GH are my top games), but story flow of Aeon.
As a fan of card games that allow for combos I completely agree, that's the highlight of Oathsworn for me as well. That and the low-fantasy grim dark setting of it all.
AT:O's co-op mechanics are a real treat as well, and the way it games it's own rules (swapping out decks, mid battle story bits, etc.) is a lot of fun. I'm quite thankful I don't have to pick just one as it's a hard choice indeed! :)
@@TheKingofAverage I saw some previewers of Oathsworn had "another boss" model as well. Have you fought him? or was it just to show people a model?
@@metalbraine Careful about spoilers but yes I have fought him as well :)
@@TheKingofAverage Oops sorry, edited my post a bit. Do you know if that fight will be shown before end of KS? I would like to see how different mechanically fights are. If not, would be allowed to hear about it in PM on BGG if I ask you for example?
Love the art of AT:O but reminds me too much of Tainted Grail which I didn`t enjoy (too much decision making and notes taking) I am happy with a more streamlined game like Oathsworn and the app is definitely a plus for me.Thks
Wow. Surprised to see this. Thought you were annoyed both times I asked. Second time I was just joking anyhow. I backed both. Was always going to.
Some really great analysis here.
Oh no not at all! Sorry if it came off that way :) I absolutely love talking with all of you guys! I've been asked "which one?" About two dozen times since AT:O first came to KS so this video is kind overdue :)
Both are great games and I am sure some will back both. Nice though to listen to a video that tries to provide people who can only buy one to make a decision. I backed Oathsworn because I have known about it for well over 12 months. Didn't back ATO, but I was tempted as they are different games.
Interesting update from Shadowborne today, the rest of the campaign has swapped to daily unlocks.
I loved the update! Daily unlocks are always fantastic and enjoyed the added meat to this update over the others, was a good read :)
Thanks
Good video. Thank you.
You are very welcome!
Nice to see confirmation with all the added info you provided that I indeed made the best choice for me. Oathsworn it is and nothing against Aeon for others.
Awesome! Really glad I could help you be confident in the decision :) I bet you'll love it!
I really liked how in depth you went into the differences. What are you personally backing? I'm leaning towards both.
You are quite welcome! I've enjoyed both very much actually! If I couldn't get both all-in I'd core pledge both before going all-in on one or the other. That's a TON of game for the price. If I was really tight I'd back Oathsworn (cheaper) and $1 AT:O to see if my finances opened up during the PM.
Thanks for the comparison, I'm a new subscriber and appreciate your work.
One thing that's hard to tell from videos of the first battle in both games is how variable the fights will be throughout the campaign. Do the different bosses in each game offer new challenges and require new tactics? From what I've seen AT:O will change a lot but I'm not sure about Oathsworn.
I've played another big I don't want to spoil but it was COMPLETELY different. They Broodmother's thing is very much about using adds, whereas this other one would teleport around the map and shoot aoe magic a ton. Movement ( to chase him down) was a big deal there and having a Warden in the party really helps that fight.
Also welcome Gil! :) I'm sure happy to have you here!
Backing Oathsworn
1. Like the astetic more
2. Solo looks easier
3. Like the Grimdark/Fantasy setting
Solo is hands down Oathsworn so if that's important then it's actually an easy decision.
Oathsworn sessions are 1h city 2h combat, how often will you sit solo on a table for 3 hours.
@@kosterix123 A good thing to consider! Of course playing solo you can "pause" the game far easier and go have lunch, or whatever and come back to it. I also wonder if solo players typically save time or not? I'm no ta huge solo player so not a good judge on that. Part of me thinks many people would go faster as they don't have to discuss things, but if your the type of person to spend some time on their turn to get an optimal play, having a larger turn would just exacerbate the issue I bet.
Kosteri x more like 0.5 hr. city and 1-1.5hr. Encounter when playing solo from what I’ve seen. So I wouldn’t worry too much about length. Plus it’s easy to save and just play one part per session.
This really helps, thanks a lot!
You are very welcome :)
Thank you so much for the video! Unfortunately, like others have said, I feel like I really should get both. :D
I may sell Batman since no one in my game group is interested in playing it. That should help. On the other hand, I probably don't have time for the 200 hours in AT:O, so maybe I'll just skip it. Hmmm.....
haha yeah these long games are...well long :D
I do suggest base pledging both before going all in on just one if both appeal to you :) Lots of bang for your buck there and it's less than either one's all-in.
For me, I will probably paly more solo and provably it would fit better the Oathsworn, but for this types of games, I don't like to much to depend on luck while rolling the dices and basically not having a lot of control of the situation, so for me is a drawback. Otherthing the price of Oathsworn seems to be a lot related to the miniatures and not the complexity of the game. For me, miniatures are in the plus/bonus side, if has cool if not ok. Because of all of this, I think I will stick to AT: O.
What do you think based on what I said?
I say go for it! Both are soloable (with Oathsworn being extremely soloable by really anyone). AT:O works really well since each character only has 2 actions to take. Combined with the co-op mechanics you can kind of view it as the ability to make 4-8 actions on your turn :) The co-op stuff also helps you have a bit more mitigation from randomness (helping ensure you land a hit for instance).
@@TheKingofAverage Thanks for your opinion. I think this is the kinda of information (including the video) that help me to decide what game to buy and play that fit more my taste and not get disappointed. For example my case, Oathsworn is a great game but maybe is not for me.
That's awesome, really glad it helps!
I pledge both ;)
Well that's just cheating! :P
The King of Average Yes I’m a cheater but for my wife I’m something else... start with “I” finish with “T”
ATO seemed over ambitious to me, I have concerns about them being able to deliver on time. I went with Oathsworn.
It'll be very interesting to see the schedules for both for sure, especially for production. Game design I feel they were both pretty concrete and mostly done.
Both! Plus Isofarian! Plus Trudvang! Plus Etherfields!
Fuck...
hahahaha yeah...it's bad :D
Damn Mike, now you got me questioning wether I made the right decision passing on ATP in anticipation of OID 🤔I had given ATP a miss coz the theme and aesthetics didn’t appeal to me (plus price) but the game mechanics certainly sound enticing! However, the ease of set up / teardown, solo friendly, more modest scope and length (means easier to actually get a full campaign playthrough!) does still swing it for me, I think. Damn. May have to go back and reevaluate.
haha yeah it's a tough one for sure. I find theme to be hugely important to myself so for me, if the theme doesn't give then I tend to care less, but their are exceptions. I always advice that if you think you'd like both to base pledge both before going all-in on either one. A much better bang for your buck. But yeah, very different themes, tones and mechanics.
The King of Average Which combat system do you prefer? And how highly would you rank that of OID compared to other similar games? On a completely different note: did you find in OID there was much handling of the coins? I’m trying to think how much value getting those coins would really bring. My impression is one doesn’t handle the coins much as there’s no bartering and the buying gear session only happens once per chapter.
The combat is what splits off to completely different comparison wise. Oathsworn has the card stuff that I always find myself enjoying and AT:O has the co-op tokens which makes it fun as well. I think for me when it comes down to strict combat only view of it I enjoyed AT:O's stuff. Neither are even close to bad of course.
As for the coins, you do handle them fairly often. You gain or pay some stuff at least a few times during the chapter. One interesting point is your money can be pooled together, but whatever you gain you control. So when paying someone or buying something you often need to discuss with everyone and come to an agreement. It's kind of your "stake" in the matter.
The King of Average Sounds like AT:O grabs your top pick of the two over all!
@@KarimTheilgaard I enjoy both a lot but if I had to pick one for myself only it'd probably be AT:O as it's like KD:M but a cooler theme (IMO) and far less grindy and team based. However my wif e didn't like AT:O and much prefers Oathsworn, which I can also play with my daughter. If I had to back just one it'd be Oathsworn because of that. I like the minis of Oathsworn more as well.
I think that's what makes it so hard to pick just one lol. Pros and Cons to each :D
Do you feel ATO will work for solo play?
I’m getting Oathsworn and seriously considering ATO.
Yeah AT:O can. Each character kind of fields like advanced abilities, and with only 2 actions it goes by quick. There's still more upkeep and so Oathsworn eeks out as best for solo play, but it's certainly doable.
The King of Average thanks
What they have shown is what there is :)
I know that in Oathsworn the story is fully nerrated by an actor within the app. Is this an additional difference between the two games?
You mean just concerning the App?
@@TheKingofAverage Yes can you just listen to the story in ATO (via the app) or are you required to read the story from the story book.
Yeah not a ton is known for AT:O. Currently my understanding is the app for AT:O will be to keep information saved over time. I've not heard of plans to record the story book.
@@TheKingofAverage Yeah that is my guess too.
Both and don't hanging out for the rest of the year.
Haha yeah I hear ya!
Kickstarter needs to add an option where if KoA backs something then it automatically has me backing it as well :).
HAH! I at least like to think I'm pretty reasonable about it so maybe that'd be okay :D
Oathsworn for me. Aeon gives me headache. Plus I really like the card recycle system.
The battle flow system is really great I totally agree :D
They both look like fantastic games, and I pitched a dollar to both, leaving the final decision to the pledge manager. I might try to swing both, as I love this emerging "boss battler" genre. Granted, I'm also hoping to get into the pledge manager for KDM this Black Friday (assuming it reopens to nonbackers), so I may end up backing neither after dropping that bundle! Either way, a great video for what looks to be two solid games coming our way.
I bet KD:M's will re-open. It's how I got it last year :)
If you could only back one, which would you choose?
My group enjoyed AT:O more on average (I enjoyed both immensely) but my family enjoyed Oathsworn more on average (thanks in no small part in the ability of my 10yo daughter to play Oathsworn with us) so that coupled with he slightly cheaper price would have me go with Oathsworn should I have to choose. That being said, I'd grab both at a base pledge before going all-in on either one.
Hope that helped! :)
Yes Helping Video.. Thanks King of Average..
Super glad to hear it helped, you are quite welcome Alben! :)
Nice video! I was looking around for a comparison and this was good.
For me the story is perhaps the most important part in a game like this. How well written and interesting it is, so I just have to continue to play the game so I get to know how the story ends!
Based on what you’ve played so far, which one of these do you feel is the better in terms of well written story?
I'm not sure I'm a great expert on that front. I'm more in tune with overall story beats vs. how well written something is, but what I can say, beyond their scope and general focus (AT:O on events, Oathsworn on location) is neither was full of typos or badly worded sentences.
I think beyond the theme being totally different, having James Cosmo read it like an audio book (complete with changing his voice/speech pattern to match the character speaking) is a much different experience than reading it out loud yourself such as in AT:O. AT:O also interrupts you more with decisions which could be a pro or a con depending on your personal tastes.
Thank you for your thoughts and time! :) That voice narrative by James Cosmo seems really nice and is a big plus for Oathsworn. I get the impression that Oathsworn has a more smooth continuous journey, which could be preferable for my wife and me.
Oh yeah probably. AT:O's can be interrupted with random fights after all and such like that so it's very much sewn throughout everything but the chunks might be separated more.
Which game had the more engaging combat? I understand the description of mechanics but how did it feel as both mish mash multiple game mechanics so hard to know how it feels? Did it change solo vs coop?
They are very different styles and it's hard to summarize. Oathsworn feels more like a card game during battle whereas AT:O feels more like a Miniatures skirmish game.
Solo by far would be Oathsworn. Those companion cards are fantastic for that.
Hi! Can a kind soul help me with this dilemma?
I currently have: Gloomhaven, Sword and Sorcery, Wrath of Ashardalon and Mansions of Madness. In overall, I prefer streamline combat, like character building/crafting, adore good writing and art, and love a good lore/story setting with multiple branching preferably. Would like to have something to fill the same space of the games I already have, yet it should bring something new.
Any advice is much appreciated!
A tough pickle for sure. Here's my take from what you said:
You want Aeon Trespass: Odyssey. Both have solid combat but limiting to 2 actions per turn really helps AT:O out, along with more standard square space movement. It has crafting/building whereas Oathsworn doesn't, and both have wonderful art and a branching story/lore.
Hope that helps a bit! Sounds like you'd love both, but if you can only get one I think AT:O would fit what you want more :)
@@TheKingofAverage Thanks a million for the info! Your insight on the games really helps. I haven't seen any in depth play-through because I don't want any kind of spoilers, so it was hard to have a feeling of the flow on ATO.
Which one would you say is better for beginners and easier to learn?
Oathsworn is easier to teach and learn but AT:O has a whole tutorial where it slowly introduces you to everything which is fantastic. So learning isn't an issue for either. But beginning players might be better suited for Oathsworn because at the end of the day it's just more straightforward. AT:O has a LOT of stuff and if you are okay with that (or yearn for it) then that's a good option, but most beginning board game players won't want to dive into the deep end of the pool right away :P
Hey! One year and a lot of updates, later, how have your opinion shifted? I am in a position to get one of these two, and will be mostly playing solo. Currently It is Oathsworn. ATO does seem like the longer game which is nice.
Still hold this opinion. Both great games. Oathsworn has an improved combo system now instead of the cooldown they had which is nice :)
@@TheKingofAverage So basically still both :) haha! Awesome, thank you. I think for solo, OS might then be a better option.
Which one would you recommend for solo players? I love and ow this war of mine, Gloomhaven, Hellboy, blackstone fortress + tainted Grail and blood borne are coming,
Oathsworn is much easier to play solo thanks to less upkeep and the companion cards. :)
How was Hellboy solo?
Heidelmann I enjoy it quite a bit! I’m a big fan of the comics so that also helps.. plus, the minis were great to paint. As long as you like rolling dice, it’s very fun!
Which has the fastest setup and teardown time? I find myself getting games that are quick to setup and pack to the table more often these days.
Neither were very high (as the person who has to setup and tear down I'm quite adverse to long setup times) however Oathsworn was quicker. Neither was really long though which was nice.
Oathsworn is way quicker ... Less of everything with more fun to it
This video got me to subscribe.
Welcome aboard! :) Glad to hear the video was helpful for you!
This just has me sure that AT:O is the game for me.
That's awesome! Glad I could help :)
Where can I go to find info on give sways?
I'll have a video very soon with so the details 😁
I needed this! Haha😂
Perfect! Hope it helped :D
@@TheKingofAverage oathsworn will be the one😂 but i will consider at:o too,maybe i'll have the money when the pledge manager opens...thanks!
This was an interesting comparison but Oathsworn is for me
Glad it could help! :)
on Aeon I've pledge 1 euro and I'll decide later , Oathsworn , I'll probably buy at least core game
Yeah TBH for those interested in both I'd suggest core pledge both vs going all-in on just one. They fit very different group wants.
@@TheKingofAverage It's hard to go all-in with JoA 1.5, I want that new stuff .... but I'll try in PM
Yeah...KS is pretty crazy right now. Village Attacks Grim Dynasty, Dawn of Madness and Zombicde 2E still to come out on KS just this month!
No doubts. I want Oathsworn into the Deepwoods bit i cant buy it😥😫😢
Well at least there are no doubts. I hope you can enter my giveaway at least! :)
@@TheKingofAverage yeah you're my only chance😅😂
Same!! I would do anything to get it but college is rough. Fingers crossed for the give seats
both miniature cant be used in dnd campaign…
Which one?
@@TheKingofAveragethe scale I mean, obviously all can still be sued just that the scale would be a bit off
@@yuarthur455 For the humans in Oathsworn yeah, but the rats still work as do perhaps some of the non-human characters :) But yeah, scale is hugely important to "sell" the look and needs to be consistent :)
@@TheKingofAverage absolutely,
btw I think oathsworn switching to daily unlocks today are pretty sweet, but in my mind my intiltaled self wants Shadowborn to give us one or two more boss / hero for this over exceed success, but I guess that game balancing takes time so are quite happy for all the things we will get.
Agreed I love the change! Characters are nice because they add more group possibilities which is cool, but I've honestly been surprised how many enemy encounters we've unlocked (3 so far) :) I suspect each chapter unlocked will eventually unlock a new enemy as well :) With 25 days to go I suspect we're have a LOT more to be excited about :D
Great video! I'm off to sell my kidney so I can afford one of these.
You only need 1 good kidney... do you only need 1 of these? :)
I think a single kidney could get you backing base for both :D
Oathsworn only $99, do you really need to sell a kidney ?
@@brianhua3495 99 dollars with Standees ( shudder)
Very shallow comparison. Missing is setup tear down time shelf and table footprint, narration quality, and session duration.
I didn’t back AT:O because the combat and triskelion seemed super convoluted and I couldn’t wrap my head around them. I also didn’t like the art on the gear- too much mint works on white background, not in theme with the alternative mythology era; if anything marble veins or something should be present. Another argument was that the box is 60cm wide and weight is 10kg.
O:D otoh is a bit smaller and more compartmentalized, you either run around 1 city, or run around on a combat grid.
In short, ATO offers more exploration and O:D offers more text that doesn’t matter since the plot points are fixed. Combat is innovative in both.
I backed O:D for $1, and won’t likely back either but instead wait for the second edition which given the enormous hype and sales figures are bound to come.
Instead I’ll stick with Iso that seems more doable as a solo, slth
Although the combat is tedious and clumsy.
I find the shifting probability systems of both Iso and O:D intriguing enough and eventually would like to try them both. AT:O I simply don’t grok yet.
I prefer the term "high level" over "shallow" for obvious reasons :P But I do appreciate your write up and thoughts! My main goal was to focus on gameplay and feel and that tight focus for a short video did mean I didn't even touch on art styles, scope (expansions and whatnot) and more for sure. They are VERY different games and you could make quite the long video talking about the differences.
And yeah, I expect both of these to hit KS again eventually :) Hopefully far enough out that we'll all have actually played through it once first :D
@@TheKingofAverage oatsworn did hit ks again.
ATO: unknown.
I backed AT:O and pass on Oathsworn. It's just to generic for my taste. Too much standardized fantasy to please as many as possible.
AT:O is SUPER unique so I can understand that stance :) I've viewed Oathsworn as "the best version of ____" each time. Like, we've all seen giant rats before, but Oathsworn has the best one I've seen. Stuff like that. Some of their stuff isn't too common like the bird people and such which I like as well - vs. just dwarves and elves. But the sci-fi ancient greek setting of AT:O? Yeah that's a unique one for sure :)
For those hesitating between the two ... Oathsworn blew the whole campaign of Aeons in ONE DAY lol
Haha yeah there is definitely that. While I firmly don't believe funding = better games, that is certainly noteworthy on just how much people are anticipating this.
Also, they seems to be better prepared in terms of knowing what to do. ITU blew my mind when mid campaign said they decided to change the plastic used for minis, those are things that should be said day one
@@Keemera i first backed all in aeon and finaly went for 1$ after watching the producers playthrough because they seemed lost in their own game so that rang a Bell for me ... And i hate long setup/teardown time so oathsworn
Yeah, the set up time has become a real sticking issue for me with games - Oathsworn set up looks ideal.
ATO Kickstarter was such a let down. they still feel like bargain bin KDM. I mean, 30% of their total backers were $1 pledge... that cant bond well, they couldn't make their backers commit to even their base game.
Actually a lot of us went $1 as the group all in pledge is only available in pledge manager. Shadowborne FORCED people to full pledge on day ONE to get the first day bonus. I've never seen anyone do this before and it's pretty FOMO abusive...
Not to be egotistical (more just selfish) but I don't put much stock into what the masses like or don't like, just my own opinion having played both :) The massive will back the 27th iteration of Zombicide to several million in funding. Doesn't mean it's a better game :)
But I get your point for sure and should be something noted before making any decision (even if it's the choice to not care).
As for the mystery box - the killer is we don't know what it is lol! If it's something super cool then people will be kicking themselves for not getting it, but buying it for $10 without knowing...yeesh. Probably the only thing that's slightly FOMO I feel. In the end it's not game related, might as well be a wristband or bottle opener in there :D
@@TheKingofAverage The thing im kicking myself about is i eye'd the Etherfields campaign throughout it's entire kickstarter. Not only did i miss the free gift but also now i'm so high on the backer number it will take a long time for me to receive the game even if production is on time which i slightly doubt with such a massive game.
@@Littlebean-t2t Well the good news is that I've never known a Kickstarter to deliver based on backer number as it'd be highly impractical :) Heck, you could very well get it before me even :D
@@TheKingofAverage O.o that's perfect news. I only started backing board games on kickstarter with the release of etherfields so imagined they would ship based on backer number. Then again i was early on Oathsworn and ATO so aww...
Why compare these two? Even on first glance they are extremely different games in almost all regards.
Both seem to be story-driven campaign games where choices are important and you discover the world as you play and make choices. Both are fairly big games with a similar mixed focus on miniatures but also cards, boards, tokens, etc. Some people see things in terms of differences more, and others see things in terms of similarities more. While the themes and scale seem to be poles apart, both are otherwise going to appeal to a certain kind of gamer and scratch similar itches, I think.
But if you don't see the similarities as strongly, how about comparing them simply because they're both big, expensive kickstarters that have been featured heavily on the channel, have aroused a lot of interest on the channel, and right now is when a lot of people are having to make some tough decisions about what to back? Comparing any two similar-sized kickstarters, even without any major similarities, seems pretty valid to me. The fact that both games are big, story-driven-with-combat miniature games just makes it all the more valid, doesn't it? :)
Yeah so I agree they aren't super similar, which I think is actually the point. It's quite valid for someone to want both but be unable to fund both. The question "which one" was asked of me over 2 dozen times since AT:O first hit KS so I figured it's high time I try to explain why you would back one over the other for your group :)
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Even beat me! :P
All the same minis jumping squares/hexagons and fight crap. Lack of imagination but people keep buying and funding this crap with millions of dollars.
Oathsworn plays most like a card game though.... :D