Thanks for doing this comparison. Great work. You asked why your Whoop HRV data were apparently less consistent over the past week than your Garmin HRV data. There are a few reasons. 1. Most importantly, your Whoop data is just from the previous night, but the results you were looking at on your Garmin were rolling 7 night averages ('rolling' means that on any day, the average is adjusted to take in only the 7 most recent nights' data). To unpack this: as a rule, averages calculated over 7 nights will always show less variation, night to night, than data collected after a single night. That mostly explains why you saw more consistent values from one night to the next on your Garmin (because those values were all averages from the preceding 7 nights). 2. As an aside, Garmin use HRV data collected over the whole night, whereas Whoop focus in on just your deep sleep to determine HRV. The companies give their own rationales for taking these different approaches (whole night vs. deep sleep only), and there are pros and cons to each approach; neither is really 'right', they're just different. But Whoop's aim is try to cut down some of that variation you see in a single night when you look at your HRV status on your Garmin, to facilitate night-by-night comparison. 3. One other thing to note, is the that you can make the overnight HRV data show on Garmin connect by clicking 'Overnight Averages': that shows you the individual, night by night values (averages from all the values in a single night), as an overlay on the same graph. If you click that, you'll have a better way of comparing what your Whoop and Garmin are measuring. One caveat is that given that Whoop and Garmin take a different approach to collating your nightly data (deep sleep vs. whole night), you'll certainly see some differences between the two brands, and that difference doesn't necessarily have any bearing on accuracy - i.e. which device is giving you a more meaningful handle on your HRV.
I'm wearing the garmin each night and switching from my right to left arm, the HRV status is the reason why I bought it. Its a perfect indecator of your overall health. It shows sickness, alcohol recovery and for sure training recovery :) Just trying to keep myself balanced changed my life, I know when to train and when to rest. I know when to highly perform at my job and when to do sports and rest. If you are stressed from you office job you will sie HRV also declining, but doing the write amount of sport and relaxing will push it in balanced state. So relaxing or doing the right portion of sport will increase it. Will never miss that value again. Thx for this channel, so I could get a Garmin, it is a perfect personal motivation for me.
All I know, my Garmin showed my stress level as abnormally high and I tested positive for Covid. When it went back to normal levels I tested negative. So let's just say I'm sold on Garmin more than ever
Same, also i was shocked when i've seen the price for the whoop sub...imo it makes sense just for a pro cycling team to get for its athletes and deduct from taxes lol
For garmin you were looking at the 7day average. To get the overnight averages shown on the daily reports you need to click the overnight averages button. Probably explains why it looks more consistent on garmin compared to whoop
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for the reply! Curious as to why the numbers might be very different. Maybe whoop and garmin calculate HRV per night differently?
Loved this video. I’ve been emailing for this comparison as I was a whoop user till I got my 955 and decided not to renew my whoop. Happy to see I’m not missing out on very much!!
@@geoffkip4117 HRV is kind of messy to record - switching wrists is enough to change the measurements slightly... So that's probably why he had different numbers, what matters is the trend over time :)
I’m an Internal Medicine physician also have a PhD neuroscience, got into fitness since 2019, thank you for this video having compared a couple of Garmin devices Epix Pro 2, Enduro 3, chest strap,and Apple Watch 2 - I do like your balance approach and I do think that Whoop is over hyped - there’s only a certain amount of limited information that can come from heart rate and heart rate variability and other parameters, Garmin is continuing to do well
Spent 18 months with whoop and loved it... but fenix 7 is next level! The new readiness/hrv score and improvements to rep tracking in strength training are awesome. It just needs a few of the whoop features you mentioned like sleep recommendation and also smart alarm options. Real time body battery and stress scores through the day on garmin make it more useful than whoop for training and energy management day to day imo. Plus no subscription and high resale value on the watch 👌
How long does it take to get a readiness score and training status? I wear my watch for 7 days, had few workouts, sleep data, stress data is there, but still no score...
I got the instinct 2 after learning it would get the hrv data and joined the public beta. I was "balanced" since it started giving my reading. Then my kid started daycare. It gave me an "unbalanced" on Wednesday. Thursday I had a bit of a dry/scratchy throat. Friday Saturday were full on man colds. I skipped my Friday beers and immediately got on fluids and rest starting Wednesday.
I love my Garmin. The HR, just from the watch can be a little off at times. I do have the band quite loose, which may be a factor. It's cheaper to buy and own a watch, you can add apps onto the Garmin. WHOOP is expensive for me. Really good video....proved to me my Garmin is better for me. I have the Fenix 6 pro. I do like the sleep monitor on the WHOOP
I love these comparison videos. I know you probably have data on what videos people watch and what people don't, but if you're open to suggestions, I would LOVE you to do a video on how you use Garmin's health indicators data to program and train. I love getting all this data from my device, but I've had trouble synthesizing the feedback I'm getting to my actual training methodology (for example, I'm glad my Training Status is "Balanced" but what do I do to make it change, how should it change how I program my week of running/workouts, etc.) I know it's a bit of a newbie question but I thought I'd just throw it out! Keep doing what you do; you are such a gem in the community and you've given me such great insight on how to spend my money!
Thanks for the suggestion and kind words! Honestly, I too have a hard time digesting a lot of the data these devices produce so you're not alone. I'd love to see brands focus more on making the information easier to swallow for everyday people.
Whoop samples HRV only during deep sleep whereas Garmin samples it throughout the whole night. That might be why you see such a difference! 😉 Great video as usual, thanks. 👍🏻
Loved the comparison. I will definitely go with the Whoop as being a cyclist I have the Karoo 2 for my bike rides and have the Apple Watch Ultra for my call and message notifications during work hours. Whoop being lightweight can wear it 24x7.
For HRV. Perhaps a Polar H10, and the free Elite HRV app. See how that measures things, then compare that results to the Whoop and Garmin, and see who's closer. The Polar is going to give far more accurate results than a wrist based measure, and Elite HRV gives a good way to track it each morning.
Great review sir... I actually have the Garmin fr 955, the Garmin hrm pro plus and the whoop 4.0 and I've been wearing both 24/7 the last few weeks... Honestly it's simple... Whoop tracks your sleep way better than Garmin does.... Garmin will track your activities way better than whoop ever will... That's what it comes down to... Whoop will even pick up naps Garmin will not.... So if you're more about your running and workout data get the Garmin, if you're wanting to track your sleep accurately get the whoop...
I’m really excited. I’ve owned a Fenix 3HR since it was released in early 2016 and just purchased a Tactix 7 Pro online. I’ve been interested in trying out HRV for years but a) couldn’t justify the cost and b) didn’t want to wear the Whoop band and a watch (Whoop would be smart to add smartwatch functions to the next generation). Now I get a huge upgrade from my current watch that will be better in every way, AND I’ll get HRV tracking which seems to be comparable to the Whoop.
This kind of test should be between 3 devices/data. It makes sense to build a quorum with 3 devices. When you see a difference between deep sleep analysis, you can find potentially 2 data points closer to each other and it would give you an idea which device is not measuring correctly.Thank you for the review.
I am switching from Whoop to Garmin. One major issue I had with Whoop is that you access the data via your phone but that data is only transferred when connected to Cellular Service or WiFi. So if you spend days in the backcountry or anywhere with out service you can not see you data. I’m assuming with the Garmin you can access that data when ever you want via the watch itself. Which for me works much better.
Thanks for comparing them. I really, *really* want Garmin to incorporate wrist-based running power measurement and adjusted pace (without additional straps). Coros has changed the game with the Pace 2 in terms of value.
Calculating power output without a pod or strap that measure vertical oscillation or foot dynamics is unrealistic. GPS, HR, the movement of the wrist and weigh are not enough.
I feel like the most overdata-ed human. I bought a Whoop and a long-term subscription because the gym I joined had a deal, and the extended subscription lowered the price. I then purchased an Apple Watch, but its battery life is too short, and workout data is so-so. I missed the rich running data I'd get from my Garmin Fenix 5x, and when I saw the reviews in the FR955, I bought it. So until my subscription ends on my Whoop, I will be wearing the Apple watch on my left wrist, the Garmin on my right, and the Whoop on my bicep. Although I need to switch between the left and right bicep because I develop a rash if I leave it on a bicep for more than a day. Garmin requires 6(?) weeks of continuous wearing before it gives you your HRV data. I'm on week two.
So, thanks for doing this comparison Dave, however, both devices make this way, way more complicated than it is and needs to be. They have to do something to persude people to shell out hundreds of dollars, right? Here is the thing and science: your resting (before you get up in the morning) heart rate (HR) and Heart Rate Variability (HRV), relative to their normal ranges (at least 21 days), are your Recovery Score and the only thing you need to know about how ready you are to perform. There is absolutely no need for any tracker/ smart watch manufacturer to try to improve on them because it is not possible to improve on them!!! Here's why: your resting HR and HRV are your body's signal taking into account all your exercise, stress and rest and expressing how rested / recovered you are. For Garmin to be calculating a recovery score that encompasses your HRV, sleep, exercise, is at best double counting (since HR and HRV already have incorporated all your exercise, stress and rest/ sleep), and, at worst, pure quackery! So what do you need to do? Measure your rseting HR and HRV before you get up in the morning, compare it your normal range (plenty of apps that can do that for you) and that tells you how recovered you are. Done! That is literally all you need to know! As for sleep: all wrist based devices are just plain terrible at detecting sleep stages (light, deep, and esepacially REM) for the simple reason that sleep stages are characterized by different brain waves -- and here's the kicker -- you can't measure brainwaves on the wrist or arm. You need a device on your head that measure your brain waves to accurately detect brainwaves and thus sleep quality. That will cost you, at least another, $1,000.
The new Training Readiness feature for the Garmin is making me not extend my whoop membership any more. The Whoop is a greate tool to make good choises to improve your recovery but after some time you find out what works and dossent.
How are you liking Training Readiness vs Whoop? Do you find it actually more useful? Can it help you gauge when you will be able to perform at your peak?
Hey Dave, great video as always. Love these health metrics videos! Regarding the HRV bit of your video, I think the Garmin values were the 7d average, which is why it was consistent and didn't change much, whereas the Whoop HRV values were the overnight averages. You can compare the Garmin overnight averages with the Whoop's for a better comparison. Keep up the great content :D
One slight clarification on how Whoop calculates the HRV figure it shows you - it is a weighted average from over the course of your sleep. Whoop gives greater weight to the HRV figures calculated during periods of short wave sleep as it notes this is when your body is at greatest rest and recovery is most active.
i was on the fence of buying a whoop or garmin fenix 6x. Sure glad i went with the 6x. Such an amazing watch and the update last night gave it HRV status. I cannot pay $30 a month for a strap with no display. Maybe $10, but the garmin is really killing it lately.
Yes, although you lose out on all the smart watch features of the Apple Watch. The Garmin only provides notifications, and calendar. If you really like replying to messages using your watch, picking up calls, or setting timers, alarms, and reminders via Siri, then switching to Garmin might not be worth it. My girlfriend just switched to the Fenix 7s from the Apple Watch and she said she only really misses the Apple Watch when her hands are full like when she’s cooking or driving. She misses using Siri on the Apple Watch while multitasking. She also thinks the switch is worth it for all the heath/activity metrics, and only charging the Watch once a week.
There's a give and take with a lot of these watches. The Apple Watch is a great day-to-day smartwatch and has a ton of capabilities like taking calls, sending texts, streaming music, LTE options, etc... etc... The Garmin's are in my opinion better sports watches and will provide better daily wellness metrics. It really comes down to what you're looking for.
Dumb question here, but: I just bought a Garmin Forerunner 265 half a year ago. Now I definitely see the advantages in wearing the Whoop - should I now get one and like just throw away the Garmin? Would feel really dumb and a waste of money (I'm also at university rn, so money really is a kind of a thing uk). Really looking forward to an helpful answer already, thanks! Have a good one!
Where can I find the recovery status (resting hours to next activity) in the Fenix 6 or Garmin Connect? I can't locate it; has it been replaced by Body Battery?
I have some friends who swear by the Whoop bands. I have noticed that they tend to more gym focused where not having a GPS or timer on their wrist isn’t a concern. Metrics look primarily the same. So the big usability difference seems to be the lack of a screen. That, even more than the subscription model, seems to be the big break point for users.
Honestly this seems to be the differentiator to me. You either have a need for a screen and GPS, or you specifically don't want a screen and get a whoop.
@@ChaseTheSummit For garmin you were looking at the 7day average. To get the overnight averages shown on the daily reports you need to click the overnight averages button. Probably explains why it looks more consistent on garmin compared to whoop because it was taking the average across 7 days. A more accurate comparison would be to compare gamins overnight averages to whoops hrv each night. I would be curious to know how close those numbers then compare?
Hi Dave, I am struggling with the decision on whether to invest in Whoop. I have recently tried an Oura ring alongside my Fenix 7 and the Oura ring was great for my sleep and readiness score. It detected my naps automatically with very high accuracy and prompted me via the app to log it if it was correct. Garmin however, does not do this. Reading online, it states that Garmin does detect things such as naps and adds them to Body Battery etc. But, when I look in Garmin Connect, I can't see any logs of naps I have had in the day?? I started to find the Oura ring a little uncomfortable and cumbersome, but I really miss the accuracy of nap and sleep detection, which is why I considered the Whoop. Am I missing something with my Garmin or is it that this type of function just doesn't really exist in the same vein as Oura?
Hi, at 7:35 you are surprised that Whoop and Garmin not aligned on the HRV and Garmin is more "consistent" and you dont get it. Well just read your screen (also seen in this video), Garmin shows you the 7 days average on each day. Therefore they smooth out over time. Problem solve. :)
Garmin has tweaked a lot over the past year with addtions like nap detection, sleep coach, and an updated body battery that shows more details. Whoop has gotten a few improvements as well but has largely remained the same (still good tho!)
I've had pretty much all the main brands of fitness tracker watch now, Garmim Fenix 6, Apple watch 5, two fitbit models, Withings and an Amazefit Trex ... In relation to sleep tracking surprisingly the Fitbit was by far the most accurate in my experience, from catching the most accurate data to tracking naps with incredible accuracy. I just hate the watch designs and interface of that ecosystem, hence I wear a Garmin (upgrading at end of year) these days. But for me, it's sleep accuracy was outstanding.
Great video I’ve just recently moved from Whoop to Garmin. Can you tell me how to get HRV Status on garmin connect? Is it device dependant? I have an epix 2
@@ChaseTheSummit yes I get it what you are saying . It's sad , I was loving this watch but I think I am gonna return it and get a galaxy watch 5 pro . Getting a fold 4 so I think it would be a better match . Surely will miss body battery but garmin is not giving these metrics to the newest watches and its a shame .
Maybe someone could help me, I'm looking for a chest HR Monitor that saves my data without the need of a smartwatch nor the need to pick up my phone to turn it on. Does this exists in the market? Of course after my training I could sync the data to my phone or my pc. I'm basically looking for automation as much as possible. I've tried the woop band for a year and automation is perfect but its not chest strapped and found that its not so accurate. And in top of that the price for subscription is very high, now that I haven't paid the sub I don't really own my data. Thanks in advance.
Question for the group, has anyone tried wearing their garmin on their bicep? For work I can’t wear watches or anything on my wrist and used to wear my whoop in the boxers. Curious if you could wear garmin either on bicep or even ankle to get reading during day. Being a doctor in an OR, my HR can spike in some scenarios.
I work in the OR as well. I used to wear a garmin vivosmart 5 around my ancle and it used to work great. I was able to get a fenix 6 pro for cheap and sold my vivoactive 5. I also owned a whoop. I’m going to be honest, the whoop and vivoactive 5 were definintely more comfortable. You can wear the fenix on your ankle as well (albeit wat more noticable and less comfortable). But the vivosmart 5 doesn’t have readiness.
Do you have to have to have your Garmin watch on all day to make the most out of all the features? I could wear it during my runs, to bed, & anytime I’m not working just not during work as I work a manual job where I could probably damage the screen easily, thank you!
The top watches need this update. Also wish garmin app did something with the health snapshot. Seems a pointless to record it if the app doesn’t interpret the information.
Hey Dave! Thanks a lot for your videos, you inspired me a lot...up to the point that I'll (hopefully) finally run my first marathon end of September! Would really like to buy some of your hats, unfortunately its bit of a pain to ship it to Europe (costs, customs etc.) I'm visiting Boston 09/05-09/08, is there any chance to buy one of your trucker hats while im over in the US? I dont have a car over there, but Im sure i'd find a way to come around...Thanks again + please continue like this!
I have a Whoop 4.0 and a Epix 2 for my training. 1. I use Whoop 4.0 because it has very accurate sleep data and better HR accuracy as a optical heart rate than Garmin Epix 2. It is also much more comfortable to sleep with. 2. I use Garmin only for exercises with ECG based chest trap because more of its data and visualisation. So if you are serious, you might need both.
Awesome video. My physio wants me to get the whoop. But I like the Garmin Fenix 7. It’s looks pretty comparable. Do you know if the 7 has all this info on it yet? Thanks.
Venu 2 Plus doesn't get the training readiness, training status, Training load, HRV Status, and a few other metrics because Garmin considers it a "wellness" device rather than a training tool. 955 and 255 provide more data but don't have the fancy OLED display or built in mcirophone/speaker.
So is the 955 your daily driver now? Do you prefer it over the Apple Series 7 even with the new beta watch OS 9? I have the 955 but enjoying the new metrics including sleep and running metrics on OS9 so I’ve been wearing both. I need to decide though. I hate wearing two.
I've been wearing the 955 most days but I'm not married to it. The Apple Watch is great but I can't be bothered to charge my watch daily so I don't tend to wear it for super long periods. Thanks for watching!
Nope they’re different. Body battery is a measurement of your daily wellness based on HRV. Training readiness is a measurement of how ready you are to take on training load and it’s based on a variety of factors like sleep, training history, and also includes body battery.
Great video , so do you personally use Whoop daily along side your Garmin or Apple Watch ? My fear is that Whoop may not last much longer with Garmin adding in most of the same features, and I’m sure Apple Watch will eventually also.
I'm hot and cold with Whoop and the Oura Ring. Sometimes I'll wear them for a few months and then end up taking them off for a while. The information is handy though. On Apple Watch there's an app called "Elite HRV" that does a similar thing.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m also a whoop and garmin user. Out of curiosity, do you record your workouts independently on the whoop, or do you import them into their platform through something like apple health?
I'm also on both and will manually record both, but I will delete the Strava records for runs that Whoop auto-exports in favor of the Garmin data. I still keep the Strava/Whoop connection for walks and workouts. Using Whoop on bicep for always tracking and Fěnix6 exclusively for runs. Done 2 yrs with Whoop, re-upped for another 2, but the Fěnix7 has proved to me that Garmin is worth the investment and I could see myself switching come the end of this subscription. Hard for me to give up my analog watch life though.
Basically the whoop is a pointless piece of kit unless you need the data. In which case, if you at a level or situation where you need this level of information then you should or would already have a fitness based watch. And a subscription too. In a 20 month block, you Will pay £520 to track heart rate and sleep. No thanks, you can get this data with many different bands these days. Good review with highlights of the use and pointless nature of the band.
Whoop should merge with Coros. Both would benefit. Whoop may not last much longer considering they charge a monthly subscription vs. no cost for Garmin for the same info.
@@ChaseTheSummit i was trying to say that Coros could follow in Garmin's footsteps by merging with Whoop. I remember that Garmin bought Firstbeat and that's what got them started on this road. Basically Coros merges with Whoop and all the whoop goodness comes with the Coros watches but no more monthly subscription. Maybe charge a. Extra 20 to 30 bucks per watch and headed over to whoop
Sometimes my Garmin has not recorded an HRV. Yesterday for example, my watch recorded my sleep, but didn't get any hrv data for some unknown to me reason... Now my watch says HRV baseline interrupted. Does this fully reset my HRV? I work nights, and sometimes the watch struggles to see my sleep at all... Any advice? Really looking forward to HRV baseline since I think it will help so many other categories...
The proportion for which a Whoop makes more sense than a Garmin watch has gotta be very very small, with pretty niche uses. Firstly there's not having all the useful smart watch functions, then there's the absurd subscription price of using a Whoop band. Enough of a put off that I hope Garmin and other sports watch manufacturers don't even consider going down that path. I pay for inreach subscription, because there's really no alternative, but I'll can't see myself ever paying for a subscription based fitness tracker.
I think some see the fact that it's not a "watch" as a pro rather than a con if you don't want a distraction on your wrist but I agree that a Garmin is far more useful for the other features.
@@ChaseTheSummit For sure. Climbers might not want a big chunky thing attached to their wrist, for example. I enjoyed the comparisons of the functions they do share.
Please please please include battery life for watches when ruining WITH music. Most of the runners I know, including myself in the US run with music on! But none of the specs online nor RUclips videos talk about battery life WITH music playing !!!
To be honest the majority of people do not know what to do with the data they receive. They get a low HRV score and think that means they shouldn't train, well it doesn't mean that, you can train. The fact that both devices give different results is telling.
@@ChaseTheSummit one of the problems is that companies use different algorithms to interpret the data which doesn't actually help. For my HRV I use the Morpheus M5 which is the brainchild of Joel Jamieson who has been looking in to HRV since the early 2000's I believe. He did work with russian scientists who used HRV on the Russian space program. If you're interested check him look for 8weekout / Joel Jamieson. His podcasts on the topic are very interesting.
Is it possible the Whoop HRV nightly metric is just one moment in time each night? Looking at the graph it seems like it is displaying HRV at midnight each night, though I could be wrong. Garmin takes the average over the course of the night, which could be why it seems to change less day-to-day. I don’t own a Whoop, so I have no idea how they report HRV, but it just seemed like it might be single data point based on how the graph was labeled.
Whoop detailed this on their podcast once. It's a complicated and variable formula but all the nights data (including second by second HRV for the whole night) is uploaded to their server each morning and then server side it is analyzed and they attempt to determine your LAST sleep cycle where you were coming out of deep sleep for the last time during that night, then they use some brief average of the time just before you came out of that sleep. The logic being that is the moment of peak rest or something. This is one of the reasons Whoop is unique in that events like workouts and sleep don't instantly appear in the app after doing it, as neither the band nor the app do the processing of the data. There is always a lag as it is done server side in the cloud.
8:24 "make your own opinions". Honestly, asking uninformed people (I'm assuming most of us aren't experts in sleep or cardiology) to make their own opinions from flawed data (optical HR) doesn't sound like a good idea. We should probably withhold any opinion and expectation on these recovery tools until they are backed by sufficient scientific evidence.
I wasn't implying that you should make an opinion about accuracy based on this video. I made this video just to showcase how both platforms work and what they look like behind the curtain so that potential buyers can see what they're getting when trying to make a decision. Unfortunately, I have no way of testing accuracy so I didn't address that and I tried to be as transparent as I could on that topic. Thanks for watching!
I'd try Garmin if they have a screenless device or as low profile, with on wrist charging or fast charge. The sensors and metrics, body battery, appear superior from reviews. Long term I don't tolerate a watch at night. Whoop 4 has the best sleep metrics I've tried, and overnight HRV based recovery seems on point.
As they add more and more wellness features to these devices I do wonder if they'll release a "whoop-like" band that only does wellness stuff. I think it would sell quite well!
Whoop is 480$ (460$ if you use a referral link) for two years. I’m also not a fan of the subscription based business model, but let’s not spread misinformation here :-)
I suppose it depends how often you upgrade your garmin. But you can also sell a Garmin towards a new Garmin... While no one will want your old outdated Whoop! A Garmin also has a lot more features than just recovery. Tough call, but I personally am so tired of subscription models!
Companies can charge $1 "subscription" for 50GB of cloud storage, runs a server etc, and then Oura and Whoop came about to charge you absurd amount for health metrics on a "subscription" basis. What a load of BS to be honest. I for one am very much willing to pay the high one time fee and enjoy my gadget without the worry of getting charged every month.
Yes but then you bought a "high one time fee" Garmin Gadget which does not get a software update when they throw out the exact same Watch one year later again. Of course with the same name +1 and two new features (like real time Stamina etc.) At the end of the day all companies know how to milk their customers
Thanks for doing this comparison. Great work.
You asked why your Whoop HRV data were apparently less consistent over the past week than your Garmin HRV data. There are a few reasons.
1. Most importantly, your Whoop data is just from the previous night, but the results you were looking at on your Garmin were rolling 7 night averages ('rolling' means that on any day, the average is adjusted to take in only the 7 most recent nights' data). To unpack this: as a rule, averages calculated over 7 nights will always show less variation, night to night, than data collected after a single night. That mostly explains why you saw more consistent values from one night to the next on your Garmin (because those values were all averages from the preceding 7 nights).
2. As an aside, Garmin use HRV data collected over the whole night, whereas Whoop focus in on just your deep sleep to determine HRV. The companies give their own rationales for taking these different approaches (whole night vs. deep sleep only), and there are pros and cons to each approach; neither is really 'right', they're just different. But Whoop's aim is try to cut down some of that variation you see in a single night when you look at your HRV status on your Garmin, to facilitate night-by-night comparison.
3. One other thing to note, is the that you can make the overnight HRV data show on Garmin connect by clicking 'Overnight Averages': that shows you the individual, night by night values (averages from all the values in a single night), as an overlay on the same graph. If you click that, you'll have a better way of comparing what your Whoop and Garmin are measuring. One caveat is that given that Whoop and Garmin take a different approach to collating your nightly data (deep sleep vs. whole night), you'll certainly see some differences between the two brands, and that difference doesn't necessarily have any bearing on accuracy - i.e. which device is giving you a more meaningful handle on your HRV.
I'm wearing the garmin each night and switching from my right to left arm, the HRV status is the reason why I bought it. Its a perfect indecator of your overall health. It shows sickness, alcohol recovery and for sure training recovery :) Just trying to keep myself balanced changed my life, I know when to train and when to rest. I know when to highly perform at my job and when to do sports and rest. If you are stressed from you office job you will sie HRV also declining, but doing the write amount of sport and relaxing will push it in balanced state. So relaxing or doing the right portion of sport will increase it. Will never miss that value again. Thx for this channel, so I could get a Garmin, it is a perfect personal motivation for me.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
All I know, my Garmin showed my stress level as abnormally high and I tested positive for Covid. When it went back to normal levels I tested negative. So let's just say I'm sold on Garmin more than ever
I saw the same! (and made a whole video about it lol)
Had the same thing happened to me 2 years ago when I got home after my shift. After that I always paid attention to my stress levels. Haha
My VO2max went down 10 units while I had covid 😅, and then again back up. (and yep, running with a facemask sucks!)
Same thing happened to me sir ! Good point
Happened to me as well
I'm never paying a subscription, so it doesn't matter how good whoop is at certain metrics.
Yup. Even if I do the maths and think the subscription is cheaper, I'm still not paying that way.
Same, also i was shocked when i've seen the price for the whoop sub...imo it makes sense just for a pro cycling team to get for its athletes and deduct from taxes lol
I wish it was a bit more affordable. Like $10-$15/Month would feel less painful lol.
Whoop subscription $ is offensive. I have the garmin and the whoop and the garmin is 10x better and respects you in the morning.
WHOOP is dope
For garmin you were looking at the 7day average. To get the overnight averages shown on the daily reports you need to click the overnight averages button. Probably explains why it looks more consistent on garmin compared to whoop
Even when I click overnight averages the number are quite different but thanks for pointing that out!
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for the reply! Curious as to why the numbers might be very different. Maybe whoop and garmin calculate HRV per night differently?
Loved this video. I’ve been emailing for this comparison as I was a whoop user till I got my 955 and decided not to renew my whoop. Happy to see I’m not missing out on very much!!
@@geoffkip4117 HRV is kind of messy to record - switching wrists is enough to change the measurements slightly... So that's probably why he had different numbers, what matters is the trend over time :)
I’m an Internal Medicine physician also have a PhD neuroscience, got into fitness since 2019, thank you for this video having compared a couple of Garmin devices Epix Pro 2, Enduro 3, chest strap,and Apple Watch 2 - I do like your balance approach and I do think that Whoop is over hyped - there’s only a certain amount of limited information that can come from heart rate and heart rate variability and other parameters, Garmin is continuing to do well
Spent 18 months with whoop and loved it... but fenix 7 is next level! The new readiness/hrv score and improvements to rep tracking in strength training are awesome. It just needs a few of the whoop features you mentioned like sleep recommendation and also smart alarm options. Real time body battery and stress scores through the day on garmin make it more useful than whoop for training and energy management day to day imo. Plus no subscription and high resale value on the watch 👌
Thanks for sharing!
You have it on a Fenix? I thought it was limited right now and coming to Fenix/Epix later in the year
@@ChristianRunsNY sign up to the beta version. Easy to do via the connect web browser (not phone app)
How long does it take to get a readiness score and training status? I wear my watch for 7 days, had few workouts, sleep data, stress data is there, but still no score...
I got the instinct 2 after learning it would get the hrv data and joined the public beta. I was "balanced" since it started giving my reading. Then my kid started daycare. It gave me an "unbalanced" on Wednesday. Thursday I had a bit of a dry/scratchy throat. Friday Saturday were full on man colds. I skipped my Friday beers and immediately got on fluids and rest starting Wednesday.
Does the instinct 2 have training readiness also?
@@aellis15 nope
I love my Garmin. The HR, just from the watch can be a little off at times. I do have the band quite loose, which may be a factor. It's cheaper to buy and own a watch, you can add apps onto the Garmin. WHOOP is expensive for me. Really good video....proved to me my Garmin is better for me. I have the Fenix 6 pro. I do like the sleep monitor on the WHOOP
I love these comparison videos. I know you probably have data on what videos people watch and what people don't, but if you're open to suggestions, I would LOVE you to do a video on how you use Garmin's health indicators data to program and train. I love getting all this data from my device, but I've had trouble synthesizing the feedback I'm getting to my actual training methodology (for example, I'm glad my Training Status is "Balanced" but what do I do to make it change, how should it change how I program my week of running/workouts, etc.) I know it's a bit of a newbie question but I thought I'd just throw it out! Keep doing what you do; you are such a gem in the community and you've given me such great insight on how to spend my money!
Thanks for the suggestion and kind words! Honestly, I too have a hard time digesting a lot of the data these devices produce so you're not alone. I'd love to see brands focus more on making the information easier to swallow for everyday people.
Whoop samples HRV only during deep sleep whereas Garmin samples it throughout the whole night. That might be why you see such a difference! 😉 Great video as usual, thanks. 👍🏻
Makes sense!
As I saw, the HRV is higher at light sleep and lower at REM phase.
All of this is already available on Fenix and Epix for a month or so through beta program
Yes, in beta not official release.
Loved the comparison. I will definitely go with the Whoop as being a cyclist I have the Karoo 2 for my bike rides and have the Apple Watch Ultra for my call and message notifications during work hours. Whoop being lightweight can wear it 24x7.
For HRV. Perhaps a Polar H10, and the free Elite HRV app. See how that measures things, then compare that results to the Whoop and Garmin, and see who's closer. The Polar is going to give far more accurate results than a wrist based measure, and Elite HRV gives a good way to track it each morning.
Good call, I'll give that a shot!
Great review sir... I actually have the Garmin fr 955, the Garmin hrm pro plus and the whoop 4.0 and I've been wearing both 24/7 the last few weeks... Honestly it's simple... Whoop tracks your sleep way better than Garmin does.... Garmin will track your activities way better than whoop ever will... That's what it comes down to... Whoop will even pick up naps Garmin will not.... So if you're more about your running and workout data get the Garmin, if you're wanting to track your sleep accurately get the whoop...
Garmin doesn't "detect" naps per se but it does reflect in your body battery which can be helpful! Thanks for sharing!
In my case, Garmin was able to tell me twice, that I was sick before I even feel any symptom... definitely they are doing something right with HRV
Same here! I recently bought 255 and had 2 days bad hrv and on the third day i got sick. Hrv is very powerful metric combined with resting heart rate.
I’m really excited. I’ve owned a Fenix 3HR since it was released in early 2016 and just purchased a Tactix 7 Pro online. I’ve been interested in trying out HRV for years but a) couldn’t justify the cost and b) didn’t want to wear the Whoop band and a watch (Whoop would be smart to add smartwatch functions to the next generation).
Now I get a huge upgrade from my current watch that will be better in every way, AND I’ll get HRV tracking which seems to be comparable to the Whoop.
How has your experience been?
My new Garmin 955 made my Oura ring useless, love it!
This kind of test should be between 3 devices/data. It makes sense to build a quorum with 3 devices. When you see a difference between deep sleep analysis, you can find potentially 2 data points closer to each other and it would give you an idea which device is not measuring correctly.Thank you for the review.
Good point, though they are measuring things a bit differently so I’m not sure it’s apples to apples. Thanks for watching.
Great! Thanks for this video. Garmin for me, no doubt.
Great video- some compelling reasons to consider Garmin!
The HRV Status on the report you are looking at is a 7d average, which is why it doesn't fluctuate as the day-to-day of the Whoop.
I am switching from Whoop to Garmin. One major issue I had with Whoop is that you access the data via your phone but that data is only transferred when connected to Cellular Service or WiFi.
So if you spend days in the backcountry or anywhere with out service you can not see you data.
I’m assuming with the Garmin you can access that data when ever you want via the watch itself. Which for me works much better.
Thanks for comparing them. I really, *really* want Garmin to incorporate wrist-based running power measurement and adjusted pace (without additional straps). Coros has changed the game with the Pace 2 in terms of value.
Calculating power output without a pod or strap that measure vertical oscillation or foot dynamics is unrealistic. GPS, HR, the movement of the wrist and weigh are not enough.
The Pace 2 is pretty awesome for the money!
You'd be surprised when compared to Stryd COROS is pretty darn close!
My Epix just got the update for running power added on the wrist. Probably got rolled out a week ago or so.
I feel like the most overdata-ed human. I bought a Whoop and a long-term subscription because the gym I joined had a deal, and the extended subscription lowered the price. I then purchased an Apple Watch, but its battery life is too short, and workout data is so-so. I missed the rich running data I'd get from my Garmin Fenix 5x, and when I saw the reviews in the FR955, I bought it. So until my subscription ends on my Whoop, I will be wearing the Apple watch on my left wrist, the Garmin on my right, and the Whoop on my bicep. Although I need to switch between the left and right bicep because I develop a rash if I leave it on a bicep for more than a day. Garmin requires 6(?) weeks of continuous wearing before it gives you your HRV data. I'm on week two.
Only four weeks.
4 weeks, that's a lot of data!
3 weeks of data
So, thanks for doing this comparison Dave, however, both devices make this way, way more complicated than it is and needs to be. They have to do something to persude people to shell out hundreds of dollars, right?
Here is the thing and science: your resting (before you get up in the morning) heart rate (HR) and Heart Rate Variability (HRV), relative to their normal ranges (at least 21 days), are your Recovery Score and the only thing you need to know about how ready you are to perform. There is absolutely no need for any tracker/ smart watch manufacturer to try to improve on them because it is not possible to improve on them!!!
Here's why: your resting HR and HRV are your body's signal taking into account all your exercise, stress and rest and expressing how rested / recovered you are. For Garmin to be calculating a recovery score that encompasses your HRV, sleep, exercise, is at best double counting (since HR and HRV already have incorporated all your exercise, stress and rest/ sleep), and, at worst, pure quackery!
So what do you need to do? Measure your rseting HR and HRV before you get up in the morning, compare it your normal range (plenty of apps that can do that for you) and that tells you how recovered you are. Done! That is literally all you need to know!
As for sleep: all wrist based devices are just plain terrible at detecting sleep stages (light, deep, and esepacially REM) for the simple reason that sleep stages are characterized by different brain waves -- and here's the kicker -- you can't measure brainwaves on the wrist or arm. You need a device on your head that measure your brain waves to accurately detect brainwaves and thus sleep quality. That will cost you, at least another, $1,000.
I couldn't agree more
thanks for sharing! Yes, we over inundated with data but I think that's what the consumers want these days lol.
The new Training Readiness feature for the Garmin is making me not extend my whoop membership any more. The Whoop is a greate tool to make good choises to improve your recovery but after some time you find out what works and dossent.
Thanks for sharing.
How are you liking Training Readiness vs Whoop? Do you find it actually more useful? Can it help you gauge when you will be able to perform at your peak?
I’m all ready happy with my forerunner 965
Hey Dave, great video as always. Love these health metrics videos! Regarding the HRV bit of your video, I think the Garmin values were the 7d average, which is why it was consistent and didn't change much, whereas the Whoop HRV values were the overnight averages. You can compare the Garmin overnight averages with the Whoop's for a better comparison. Keep up the great content :D
One slight clarification on how Whoop calculates the HRV figure it shows you - it is a weighted average from over the course of your sleep. Whoop gives greater weight to the HRV figures calculated during periods of short wave sleep as it notes this is when your body is at greatest rest and recovery is most active.
I think you misspoke as you mentioned that 955 and 255 both have training readiness, however this feature is only in the 955.
Yeap, that was a mistake. It's only on the 955/Fenix7 and up right now. 255 does have HRV status though.
@@ChaseTheSummit what's the difference between training readiness and hrv status?
i was on the fence of buying a whoop or garmin fenix 6x. Sure glad i went with the 6x. Such an amazing watch and the update last night gave it HRV status. I cannot pay $30 a month for a strap with no display. Maybe $10, but the garmin is really killing it lately.
It's a great watch!
Great video! Thanks for sharing your insight!
Thing I like abt my whoop is that I can wear my classic watches while wearing it. Plus I really like that I can charge it while wearing.
The charger is super cool. I wish others would do something similar.
Thank you for this great video! I wonder if Training readiness will make it's way to the Venu level on next year's model.
That would be nice! I expect we'll see HRV Status on a lot of devices. But Training Readiness may be held for higher end sport specific models.
07:42 garmin is displaying a 7d avg. This is why the hrv score looks consistent as it is smoothed out vs the whoop.
Good point!
I currently wear a whoop and a Apple Watch. Would a 955 or an epix 2 be good enough to eliminate wearing two devices?
Yes, although you lose out on all the smart watch features of the Apple Watch. The Garmin only provides notifications, and calendar.
If you really like replying to messages using your watch, picking up calls, or setting timers, alarms, and reminders via Siri, then switching to Garmin might not be worth it.
My girlfriend just switched to the Fenix 7s from the Apple Watch and she said she only really misses the Apple Watch when her hands are full like when she’s cooking or driving. She misses using Siri on the Apple Watch while multitasking.
She also thinks the switch is worth it for all the heath/activity metrics, and only charging the Watch once a week.
There's a give and take with a lot of these watches. The Apple Watch is a great day-to-day smartwatch and has a ton of capabilities like taking calls, sending texts, streaming music, LTE options, etc... etc... The Garmin's are in my opinion better sports watches and will provide better daily wellness metrics. It really comes down to what you're looking for.
I use both for now because I paid for whoop for a year… but probably going to go garmin only when whoop is up
Dumb question here, but: I just bought a Garmin Forerunner 265 half a year ago. Now I definitely see the advantages in wearing the Whoop - should I now get one and like just throw away the Garmin? Would feel really dumb and a waste of money (I'm also at university rn, so money really is a kind of a thing uk). Really looking forward to an helpful answer already, thanks! Have a good one!
Could wear both? The Whoop is nice for daily strain/recovery stats but it doesn't really replace a sport watch for tracking activities and stuff.
Where can I find the recovery status (resting hours to next activity) in the Fenix 6 or Garmin Connect? I can't locate it; has it been replaced by Body Battery?
Recovery advisor is still there. It depends which model you use but on a Fenix 7 or Forerunner it's under Training Status.
I have some friends who swear by the Whoop bands. I have noticed that they tend to more gym focused where not having a GPS or timer on their wrist isn’t a concern. Metrics look primarily the same. So the big usability difference seems to be the lack of a screen. That, even more than the subscription model, seems to be the big break point for users.
Yeah, some see that as a pro, others see it as a con. Really depends what you're looking for!
Honestly this seems to be the differentiator to me. You either have a need for a screen and GPS, or you specifically don't want a screen and get a whoop.
Garmin in these graphs shows the 7 day average, not the daily measurement.
You can get the daily data in a table form
In the “reports” page I believe it shows the daily average.
@@ChaseTheSummit For garmin you were looking at the 7day average. To get the overnight averages shown on the daily reports you need to click the overnight averages button. Probably explains why it looks more consistent on garmin compared to whoop because it was taking the average across 7 days. A more accurate comparison would be to compare gamins overnight averages to whoops hrv each night. I would be curious to know how close those numbers then compare?
Hi Dave, I am struggling with the decision on whether to invest in Whoop. I have recently tried an Oura ring alongside my Fenix 7 and the Oura ring was great for my sleep and readiness score. It detected my naps automatically with very high accuracy and prompted me via the app to log it if it was correct. Garmin however, does not do this.
Reading online, it states that Garmin does detect things such as naps and adds them to Body Battery etc. But, when I look in Garmin Connect, I can't see any logs of naps I have had in the day??
I started to find the Oura ring a little uncomfortable and cumbersome, but I really miss the accuracy of nap and sleep detection, which is why I considered the Whoop.
Am I missing something with my Garmin or is it that this type of function just doesn't really exist in the same vein as Oura?
Hi, at 7:35 you are surprised that Whoop and Garmin not aligned on the HRV and Garmin is more "consistent" and you dont get it. Well just read your screen (also seen in this video), Garmin shows you the 7 days average on each day. Therefore they smooth out over time. Problem solve. :)
The overnight averages also don't line up exactly the same but yeah thanks for sharing that!
Any updates on the Garmin or Whoop? I have had several updates to my FR955.
Garmin has tweaked a lot over the past year with addtions like nap detection, sleep coach, and an updated body battery that shows more details. Whoop has gotten a few improvements as well but has largely remained the same (still good tho!)
Great video! Thank you
It is coming to Enduro 2 (if you want it now, you can enroll in beta)
Yep! Beta!
I've had pretty much all the main brands of fitness tracker watch now, Garmim Fenix 6, Apple watch 5, two fitbit models, Withings and an Amazefit Trex ... In relation to sleep tracking surprisingly the Fitbit was by far the most accurate in my experience, from catching the most accurate data to tracking naps with incredible accuracy. I just hate the watch designs and interface of that ecosystem, hence I wear a Garmin (upgrading at end of year) these days. But for me, it's sleep accuracy was outstanding.
Has the sleep tracking been updated for the Fenix 6?
7:45 Because on the Garmin its 7days avg, you need to click "Overnight Averages"
Thanks! Yes, it's still different on the overnight averages as well
Stealing my next review plan!! Haha. Awesome. Can’t wait to watch
Looking forward to seeing your take!
Great video
I’ve just recently moved from Whoop to Garmin. Can you tell me how to get HRV Status on garmin connect? Is it device dependant? I have an epix 2
It might not be on the Epix yet, it's coming in an update.
I have it on my fenix 6X sapphire but I'm running Alpha test software.
It'd still in beta testing for the Epix. Should be released in the next few weeks
In beta right now. You should have the full release within a couple weeks I'd guess!
Well, I have two garmins and I want to try a whoop also. So, you are about to get a whoop order on your link from me in just a minute.
Hope you like it!
Really useful, thanks!!
Can i know from where did you buy the band for the garmin 955 you have ? Thank you so much
Hello do we know if hrv status will come to venu 2 plus . I love this watch but now if it doesn't come , maybe I need to change it .
I have a feeling it might but I'm not 100% sure. Just a hunch at this point.
@@ChaseTheSummit yes I get it what you are saying . It's sad , I was loving this watch but I think I am gonna return it and get a galaxy watch 5 pro . Getting a fold 4 so I think it would be a better match . Surely will miss body battery but garmin is not giving these metrics to the newest watches and its a shame .
Maybe someone could help me, I'm looking for a chest HR Monitor that saves my data without the need of a smartwatch nor the need to pick up my phone to turn it on. Does this exists in the market?
Of course after my training I could sync the data to my phone or my pc.
I'm basically looking for automation as much as possible.
I've tried the woop band for a year and automation is perfect but its not chest strapped and found that its not so accurate. And in top of that the price for subscription is very high, now that I haven't paid the sub I don't really own my data.
Thanks in advance.
Question for the group, has anyone tried wearing their garmin on their bicep? For work I can’t wear watches or anything on my wrist and used to wear my whoop in the boxers. Curious if you could wear garmin either on bicep or even ankle to get reading during day. Being a doctor in an OR, my HR can spike in some scenarios.
You can, but you need to get creative with how you achieve that as there's not really a bicep strap available on the market right now.
I work in the OR as well. I used to wear a garmin vivosmart 5 around my ancle and it used to work great. I was able to get a fenix 6 pro for cheap and sold my vivoactive 5. I also owned a whoop. I’m going to be honest, the whoop and vivoactive 5 were definintely more comfortable. You can wear the fenix on your ankle as well (albeit wat more noticable and less comfortable). But the vivosmart 5 doesn’t have readiness.
Do you have to have to have your Garmin watch on all day to make the most out of all the features? I could wear it during my runs, to bed, & anytime I’m not working just not during work as I work a manual job where I could probably damage the screen easily, thank you!
The more time it's on your wrist the more accurate the data will be. Removing it for a few hours won't make it useless though.
So you should get the Garmin (500 USD) if you expect to use it for more than 2 Years and 2 months (19.17 USD subscription per month)
The top watches need this update. Also wish garmin app did something with the health snapshot. Seems a pointless to record it if the app doesn’t interpret the information.
They'll all be getting the update soon!
@@ChaseTheSummit today in fact 👍
Hey Dave! Thanks a lot for your videos, you inspired me a lot...up to the point that I'll (hopefully) finally run my first marathon end of September! Would really like to buy some of your hats, unfortunately its bit of a pain to ship it to Europe (costs, customs etc.) I'm visiting Boston 09/05-09/08, is there any chance to buy one of your trucker hats while im over in the US? I dont have a car over there, but Im sure i'd find a way to come around...Thanks again + please continue like this!
I'm sure we could figure something out! I'm outside the city but happy to ship to a hotel or wherever you're staying! Thanks for watching!
Tried the whoop, returned it. If I'm going to be wearing something on my wrist it should at least tell me the time.
There’s two schools of thought on that. I think some are drawn to Whoop because it’s less of a distraction.
Hi, has the Whoop a Rep Counter for the Gym?
Nope
I have a Whoop 4.0 and a Epix 2 for my training.
1. I use Whoop 4.0 because it has very accurate sleep data and better HR accuracy as a optical heart rate than Garmin Epix 2. It is also much more comfortable to sleep with.
2. I use Garmin only for exercises with ECG based chest trap because more of its data and visualisation.
So if you are serious, you might need both.
Thanks for sharing
@@ChaseTheSummit bro - you are number one and a approachable personality. And I know you care about the audience
Awesome video. My physio wants me to get the whoop. But I like the Garmin Fenix 7. It’s looks pretty comparable.
Do you know if the 7 has all this info on it yet? Thanks.
It will soon. It's currently in Beta.
Don't forget the medical-grade 30/90-day charts that Whoop allows you to export for your doctors. That's likely why physio wants you to get it.
Did i hear right? The 255 got also the training readiness ?
Sorry, no I should have been more clear on that. No training readiness widget on 255.
Do you get all that Garmin data with the Venu 2 plus? Can the 955 give all the same data but more than the Venu 2 ?
Venu 2 Plus doesn't get the training readiness, training status, Training load, HRV Status, and a few other metrics because Garmin considers it a "wellness" device rather than a training tool. 955 and 255 provide more data but don't have the fancy OLED display or built in mcirophone/speaker.
So is the 955 your daily driver now? Do you prefer it over the Apple Series 7 even with the new beta watch OS 9? I have the 955 but enjoying the new metrics including sleep and running metrics on OS9 so I’ve been wearing both. I need to decide though. I hate wearing two.
I've been wearing the 955 most days but I'm not married to it. The Apple Watch is great but I can't be bothered to charge my watch daily so I don't tend to wear it for super long periods. Thanks for watching!
Is the training readiness score the same score as your body battery score 🔋?
Nope they’re different. Body battery is a measurement of your daily wellness based on HRV. Training readiness is a measurement of how ready you are to take on training load and it’s based on a variety of factors like sleep, training history, and also includes body battery.
Would it be available on Instinct 2 series
HRV Status is in beta on Instinct 2 but not fully released yet.
Great video , so do you personally use Whoop daily along side your Garmin or Apple Watch ? My fear is that Whoop may not last much longer with Garmin adding in most of the same features, and I’m sure Apple Watch will eventually also.
I'm hot and cold with Whoop and the Oura Ring. Sometimes I'll wear them for a few months and then end up taking them off for a while. The information is handy though. On Apple Watch there's an app called "Elite HRV" that does a similar thing.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m also a whoop and garmin user. Out of curiosity, do you record your workouts independently on the whoop, or do you import them into their platform through something like apple health?
I let whoop auto detect workouts and rarely import or manually input anything.
I'm also on both and will manually record both, but I will delete the Strava records for runs that Whoop auto-exports in favor of the Garmin data. I still keep the Strava/Whoop connection for walks and workouts.
Using Whoop on bicep for always tracking and Fěnix6 exclusively for runs. Done 2 yrs with Whoop, re-upped for another 2, but the Fěnix7 has proved to me that Garmin is worth the investment and I could see myself switching come the end of this subscription. Hard for me to give up my analog watch life though.
Whoop doesn't count steps if I am not wrong 🤔
Hi sir can i know what earbud you use?
I like the Jaybird Vista's, and Beats Fit Pro the best right now.
@@ChaseTheSummit for sound qulaity more balanced and bass which u prefer,jaybird or beats fit pro?
Basically the whoop is a pointless piece of kit unless you need the data. In which case, if you at a level or situation where you need this level of information then you should or would already have a fitness based watch. And a subscription too. In a 20 month block, you Will pay £520 to track heart rate and sleep. No thanks, you can get this data with many different bands these days. Good review with highlights of the use and pointless nature of the band.
What about fenix 7s solar and training readiness ? 😔
Sign up to beta and you can get it now
@@awakiki1 where ?
You can get it in beta form now. The official release will come in a few weeks or so.
whoop is a subscription based! No No for that...
Whoop should merge with Coros. Both would benefit. Whoop may not last much longer considering they charge a monthly subscription vs. no cost for Garmin for the same info.
That would be pretty rad but I don't think COROS would want to offer a subscription model lol.
@@ChaseTheSummit i was trying to say that Coros could follow in Garmin's footsteps by merging with Whoop. I remember that Garmin bought Firstbeat and that's what got them started on this road. Basically Coros merges with Whoop and all the whoop goodness comes with the Coros watches but no more monthly subscription. Maybe charge a. Extra 20 to 30 bucks per watch and headed over to whoop
I think you need to have the 955 for the full training readiness?
Correct, or the Fenix 7 / Epix / Enduro / Tactix with beta firmware.
When will we get training ready on 7X?
It's in beta now and available for download to test. I expect we'll see it in an official release within a few weeks!
@@ChaseTheSummit ty bro for info❤️
Garmin is if your into sports running.. whoop is more for health monitoring
Sometimes my Garmin has not recorded an HRV. Yesterday for example, my watch recorded my sleep, but didn't get any hrv data for some unknown to me reason... Now my watch says HRV baseline interrupted. Does this fully reset my HRV? I work nights, and sometimes the watch struggles to see my sleep at all... Any advice? Really looking forward to HRV baseline since I think it will help so many other categories...
i take both ;-)
Also on the 255?
HRV Status is, but not training readiness.
The proportion for which a Whoop makes more sense than a Garmin watch has gotta be very very small, with pretty niche uses. Firstly there's not having all the useful smart watch functions, then there's the absurd subscription price of using a Whoop band. Enough of a put off that I hope Garmin and other sports watch manufacturers don't even consider going down that path.
I pay for inreach subscription, because there's really no alternative, but I'll can't see myself ever paying for a subscription based fitness tracker.
I think some see the fact that it's not a "watch" as a pro rather than a con if you don't want a distraction on your wrist but I agree that a Garmin is far more useful for the other features.
@@ChaseTheSummit For sure. Climbers might not want a big chunky thing attached to their wrist, for example. I enjoyed the comparisons of the functions they do share.
Please please please include battery life for watches when ruining WITH music.
Most of the runners I know, including myself in the US run with music on!
But none of the specs online nor RUclips videos talk about battery life WITH music playing !!!
Garmin has music battery specs in their stats on the Garmin website "All Systems GNSS mode plus Multi-Band without music: Up to 20 hours"
@@ChaseTheSummit that’s WITHOUT music. The question is WITH music 🥹
Good review...bottom line seems to be that Whoop is a feature and not a company... certainly not a subscription.
Do you like your watch tan or not ?
I take pride in my watch tan lol
@@ChaseTheSummit same here!
Whoop is SpOx also.
Yes, Garmin does this as well.
спасибо !
To be honest the majority of people do not know what to do with the data they receive. They get a low HRV score and think that means they shouldn't train, well it doesn't mean that, you can train.
The fact that both devices give different results is telling.
Yeah, understanding what to do with the information can be hard. I wish these companies would spell that out a bit more literal.
@@ChaseTheSummit one of the problems is that companies use different algorithms to interpret the data which doesn't actually help. For my HRV I use the Morpheus M5 which is the brainchild of Joel Jamieson who has been looking in to HRV since the early 2000's I believe. He did work with russian scientists who used HRV on the Russian space program. If you're interested check him look for 8weekout / Joel Jamieson. His podcasts on the topic are very interesting.
Is it possible the Whoop HRV nightly metric is just one moment in time each night? Looking at the graph it seems like it is displaying HRV at midnight each night, though I could be wrong. Garmin takes the average over the course of the night, which could be why it seems to change less day-to-day.
I don’t own a Whoop, so I have no idea how they report HRV, but it just seemed like it might be single data point based on how the graph was labeled.
Whoop detailed this on their podcast once. It's a complicated and variable formula but all the nights data (including second by second HRV for the whole night) is uploaded to their server each morning and then server side it is analyzed and they attempt to determine your LAST sleep cycle where you were coming out of deep sleep for the last time during that night, then they use some brief average of the time just before you came out of that sleep. The logic being that is the moment of peak rest or something. This is one of the reasons Whoop is unique in that events like workouts and sleep don't instantly appear in the app after doing it, as neither the band nor the app do the processing of the data. There is always a lag as it is done server side in the cloud.
I think that might be the case but it's probably more complicated than we think lol.
Both devices are great but the Whoop subscription is a big turn off point for me.
You and many others!
That was a big reason I chose to go with Garmin
wth, why is whoop so expensive?? if it was 5-10$ a month maybe, but it shouldnt cost more than my netflix sub..madness
I agree that it would be much easier to swallow at
8:24 "make your own opinions". Honestly, asking uninformed people (I'm assuming most of us aren't experts in sleep or cardiology) to make their own opinions from flawed data (optical HR) doesn't sound like a good idea. We should probably withhold any opinion and expectation on these recovery tools until they are backed by sufficient scientific evidence.
I wasn't implying that you should make an opinion about accuracy based on this video. I made this video just to showcase how both platforms work and what they look like behind the curtain so that potential buyers can see what they're getting when trying to make a decision. Unfortunately, I have no way of testing accuracy so I didn't address that and I tried to be as transparent as I could on that topic. Thanks for watching!
I'd try Garmin if they have a screenless device or as low profile, with on wrist charging or fast charge. The sensors and metrics, body battery, appear superior from reviews. Long term I don't tolerate a watch at night. Whoop 4 has the best sleep metrics I've tried, and overnight HRV based recovery seems on point.
As they add more and more wellness features to these devices I do wonder if they'll release a "whoop-like" band that only does wellness stuff. I think it would sell quite well!
Garmin is way cheaper. Keep the whoop for 2 years = 720$ . Garmin 500$ and it's yours for life... so no the Garmin is not more expensive lol
Until you need the next new Garmin in two years :-)
@@wiseone2173 still cheaper... and you can sell your old one. Most keep theirs for 3-4 years
Whoop is 480$ (460$ if you use a referral link) for two years. I’m also not a fan of the subscription based business model, but let’s not spread misinformation here :-)
@@emilvillefrance6234 video said it's 30$ for the subscription?
I suppose it depends how often you upgrade your garmin. But you can also sell a Garmin towards a new Garmin... While no one will want your old outdated Whoop! A Garmin also has a lot more features than just recovery. Tough call, but I personally am so tired of subscription models!
Vs Oura ring? Damn viewers always asking for more 😂 I get it, Oura is still missing some of these features.
I’ve got a follow up on OURA soon. I recently received the “circular” ring which is pretty similar! Stay tuned!
@@ChaseTheSummit awesome! Thanks!
Companies can charge $1 "subscription" for 50GB of cloud storage, runs a server etc, and then Oura and Whoop came about to charge you absurd amount for health metrics on a "subscription" basis. What a load of BS to be honest. I for one am very much willing to pay the high one time fee and enjoy my gadget without the worry of getting charged every month.
Yes but then you bought a "high one time fee" Garmin Gadget which does not get a software update when they throw out the exact same Watch one year later again. Of course with the same name +1 and two new features (like real time Stamina etc.)
At the end of the day all companies know how to milk their customers
You're mainly paying for the software in this case.
Whoop gives you your average HRV for the last 4 hours before waking up. Garmin your average through all the night.
Seems to be different either way but thanks for sharing!
Subscription model with monthly payments is a huge L