Super interesting video. I'm a Garmin user (6x Pro) but have been curious about the Whoop. I'll admit that when I bought the 6x Pro I didn't know about the body batter feature (was using a base model vivoactive 3 before that) but I LOVE it. Seriously helps me make sure I'm getting good recovery in between hard efforts. I don't think I used to give myself enough recovery time, but the body battery has helped me reign that in. Good stuff!
I appreciate this visual head-to-head comparison. I like the clean interface of the Whoop, but that high subscription fee is hard to justify. And nice to learn that running an ultra doesn’t seem to hammer you as much as building gingerbread houses! 😀
Hi, great video. I’ve been using Whoop 3.0 for about a year before I switched to Fenix 6, and I’m glad I did. Fenix 6 is much more accurate and you can use HR strap during workout and that makes Fenix 6 even more accurate then Whoop. Body battery makes a lot more sense, because it’s all day metric. Whoop is only one time number. And Fenix 6 counts your recovery by the hour after workout as well and that makes more sense too. Over all Fenix 6 and its Firstbeat performance analytics for stress, recovery and workout are much more useful and accurate if you understand and learn the way they work. Thanks for awesome video. 😉
I just got the Whoop 4.0 and I do not like it. I’m thinking of just moving to the Fénix. I hate that I can’t spot check SpO2 and I really don’t feel it’s very accurate overall. It also keeps disconnecting from the app and has a shorter battery life. Thanks for listening 😂
Is the firstbeat analytics a subscription service or is that free? I’m considering getting the garmin S62 and have heard that firstbeat is a must if you get a garmin?
Thank you. I am always anxious the day before a race or cycling with significant mileage.. Garmin body battery works like magic. I think with the Training Readiness, the game has changed tables significantly. Thank for the great content.
Woah! This is so cool! Would love to see more comparisons between the fenix 6 and the Whoop 4.0 band. Also, thanks for your videos! They're helpful as always! It's because of your videos that I recently ordered the fenix 6! 👍🏽
I think they both bring value but the Garmin is the better value without a monthly subscription. I love my fenix 6X sapphire and have been wearing Garmin fenix watches since the 3. My Garmin pretty much told me I had Covid too based on RHR, HR, Stress, and Body Battery. Pretty cool stuff!
Great video Dave, interesting to see of that kind of value you can get out of these gadgets regarding recovery/body battery measurement. However the biggest downside (that overweights all of the upsides) is the anxiety of not getting the targets and loosing sleep over that anxiety. Anxiety is one of the main factors of sleep deprivation and getting info that you are only 5% recovered after your restless night, will make the next night even more stress full for me, which will result in even more bad data, which will cause even worse sleep and the cycle will go on... 😁
Absolutely. That's a big reason why I try not to read too much into the numbers. I had an ultra planned, and I was going to run it despite my metrics indicating that I wasn't in tip top shape. I guess these tools are nice to have but you can't let them run your life.
really helpful video. i am a garmin owner who was considering getting a whoop b/c it seemed like i would get more insights. however, good to know that the body battery already synthesizes it all quite nicely using RHR, HRV and other data points. also good to know you don't need your body battery to be close to 100 before a big race
Glad it was helpful! A higher body battery would have been nice for the race but with 4 kids and a baby in the house beggers can't be choosers. I'm not going to let my watch tell me to bail on a race lol. Thanks for watching!
I have had Garmins in the past but I have had a Whoop band for nearly 18 months. I will be going back to Garmin when my subscription ends. I have enjoyed having the extra analytics that Garmin didn’t have at the start but have got to the point where I don’t feel I am learning anything new about myself. I enjoyed not being connected to my phone constantly without notifications on my wrist, but now I have a baby and if I don’t notice a cry for help with a nappy explosion it doesn’t go down well with my other half. I have also found that I have kept my Garmin and will still use it on runs so I am developing multiple tan line which only needs to be one
lol, funny you mention the baby thing. It's real! People always wonder why I need to be so connected... This is exactly why. 4 young kids at home = need to stay in the loop. The tan line is a badge of honor.
I have find usefull combine body battery with recovery time (hours or days). Because, as you mentiond, BB will get increase after long sleep. Even more if there will be two days in row without activity and long sleep. But that doesnt mean that we are recoverd well... I am very satisfied with Garmin data :) I have compared them to some semiprofi tools and they are very very close.
Great video as always! I have both the Whoop 4.0 and a Fenix 6. I really appreciate how the data is presented and ability to track trends and how they affect me over time (on the Whoop). To me - that’s the most valuable part of it. It’s such a simply thing to track, I’m surprised not much else does this. I love my Fenix - but the Whoop provides good info for me that I find benefit from and don’t feel like the cost is that bad (if you pay for the longer subscription). Like you said - the Whoop is just a band. I will always need a watch!
Lately I've been wearing both as well and really enjoy the combination. However, it would be nice to have all of the functionality in one device so I look less nerdy lol.
The same it’s for me. I wear a Wahoo Elemnt Rival as a watch (much less expensive and complicated than the Garmin Fenix) and the Whoop 4.0 for recovery. I workout 1h daily (Thriatlon, Boxing, Weighs…) and I love Whoop to avoid injuries
Awesome video! Super interesting to see the comparison of data side by side. I realy like the body battery function on my Garmin, I feel like it's scary how accurate it is sometimes haha
Yes, thumbs up. For me. I went with whoop 4.0. I don't go anywhere without my phone in most cases. I don't want to be distracted by looking at my wrist and trying to see data. $1. a day is nothing in my thoughts. I did not like the burning sensation I felt when I first wore it. But going to bed with it the following day, I do not notice it anymore. I will grab my Garmin GPS unit if I want accurate GPS tracking. I can dial that thing in really tight. My sport is MTB. The real plus for me with Whoop is how compact it is. I am a repair tech and use my hands and have them inside the equipment. So Whoop, being so small and tight is very important to me. It is a pain when your hands get stuck because of a wrist gadget hanging up on wires and equipment.
There’s a subset of people like myself that, as you do, work in an office setting, & I meet clients often. That said, I prefer a regular watch that doesn’t make me look at my wrist when with clients by buzzing buzzing me, making them feel that I need to end the meeting & that I have to leave. So, having a fitness tracker that doesn’t ever bother me is my preference. I’ll check my phone for data when I have time. Thanks, great video.
@@ChaseTheSummit there's also the fact that I don't want to wear a runner's watch whilst wearing a suit. It's off-putting, at least to me, visually. And I'm not even OP
@@ChaseTheSummit I've been looking at the Whoop band and the Oura ring but it's hard to see how they're worth the expense over and above what Garmin already offer on their watches.
I've been a Whoop user for ~ 2yrs and got the Fenix 6s about 3 months ago. Since a firmware update in around October (for the 3.0), and on the 4.0 I'm seeing almost perfect agreement between body battery and recovery score. Right now the only advantage I'm seeing in Whoop is the health metrics/respiratory rate as I do find it helpful in mapping out "I think I'm getting sick". My Whoop subscription ends in March and I'm having a hard time convincing myself to keep paying $18 a month for it, unless some major new features on the software side drop. With the impending Fenix 7, I feel like it'll be an even harder sell. If Garmin could figure out a better online platform for Connect that let me see multiple months of data (particularly HRV, body battery, and sleep) I would probably leave Whoop behind.
Thanks for sharing. I think as Body Battery improves Whoop is going to have a harder and harder time keeping subscriptions. They still have something unique for now. Thanks for watching!
Interesting. I haven't had that experience. In fact Whoops sleep tracking seems more accurate than some of my other devices. I wonder what caused that for you?
I have a Garmin Fenix 5. Loved it. Got the Fenix 6 Pro. I love it even more. After a year with the Fenix 6 i can no longer see the information on the screen. I can only access information through the app now. Not happy... they aren’t cheap! I’m contemplating getting Whoop now and going back to my Fenix 5 since the screen and lighting is perfect there. That’s a lot of money to invest in Garmin and not have a screen with the Fenix 6. Thanks for the review of the Whoop!
@@ChaseTheSummit thank you! I should have called but never did. I’m beyond the warranty now. I’m basically using this Fenix 6 as a Whoop now. Thanks again!
The calories burned on garmin is supposed to be plus minus 7% variance compared to hospital grade equipment. First beat (what garmin uses) has a white paper on this actually thats pretty interesting if you are nerdy like me. Cant speak to the whoop numbers but first beat algorithm is supposed to be the most accurate out there from third party tests with hospital grade equipment being the baseline.
Comparing price. Fenix 7XSS is 4 years of Whoop price if the Whoop price remains the same and we pay the cheapest 24 month subscription rather than monthly. I expect my garmin to go farther than that. But the advantage with Whoop is newer hardware and newer features every 6 months ig,
Interesting video I think what would be helpful is -How did you actually feel compared to their measurements? did you feel 50% recovered or closer to 30%? -when did you actually wake up? Was Whoop right or was the Fenix? -Which HR was right? I had a whoop for years. I think $30 for their info a month was genuine robbery. The strap itself is fine but its HRM is not nearly what you get in any high end sports watch at this point. It has become a lifestyle flex piece IMO.
I mean, it’s hard to quantify what 30% vs 50% actually feels like lol. Kind of splitting hairs at that point. In reality I think they’re both somewhat useful but I agree that the monthly fee is a bit much. Fortunately the Whoop 4.0 has much better accuracy than the older Whoop 3.0 band you can find that info in my full Whoop 4.0 review. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. I also have a garmin and a whoop 3.0...still waiting for my 4.0. I rely solely on my whoop to calculate recovery mainly due to it being very comfortable and easy to sleep with. Also, whoops algorithms seem to be pretty accurate and align closely with how I feel. After all, Whoops sole purpose is to track sleep and recovery so I would hope that the information would be accurate. The subscription thing kinda sucks but they are constantly improving their algorithms and I know I can rely on the data.
Hi, great video. It would be great if you did the same but comparing Polar with its Performance Test and sports functions such as Training Load PRO, Nightly Recharge, Running / cycling performance, Orthostatic, etc.
Whoop data are strange to me. I think Garmin has more information. During Ultra events the body battery is useless. At my last ultra I went down from 62 to 11 during the first 4h. The next 3.5h it went down to 5. And 5 stayed until 2am in the night. So this makes no sense and on the other hand it looks like that I go into minus and it takes time and sleep to come back. It should show this, but 5 seems to be the end of the chart. What I can see, it does not lean, there is no zeroing out.
It would be nice to understand the scale of the chart. I think I understand why we can't go negative as that would essentially mean we're dead lol. But it would make sense to go to 0 and stay there until recovery.
I don't think you can get lower than 5. I was really sick the last week of October with strep throat and high fever. Body Battery drained -71 to a Body Battery of 10 on Friday and then drained more on Saturday to a Body Battery low of 5. High stress the entire time.
Just saw the video, now the platform called habit dash has the compare feature. Great to compare your devices when it comes to tracked performance/health data :)
Great video and thanks for sharing. I’ve been using my Garmin Fenix 5x Plus for 3yrs now and love it (Garmin HRM pro for past year also). Been looking into maybe switching to Whoop mainly due to fact I can’t sleep with such a large watch on my wrist. So I miss out on the body battery for the most important part of recovery. Like everyone though it’s the monthly fee coming out every month is what’s putting me off. But if you pay the 12/24 month up front you can get 3yrs for cost of new Fenix series.
great detailed video, i appreciate it. That being said, imho if you actually do such a runs, they should be planned and you should be fully recovered and ready to go beforehand.
You're not wrong but things don't always go to planned. We've got a new baby in the house and that kind of turned things upside down. Instead I went into this one with low expectations but it actually turned out alright. Feeling pretty good just a few days later! Thanks for watching.
. It's interesting to see this kind of comparison since to me body battery is one of the most important features. I would love to see similar with Coros and Polar for example,. curious to know which company has the most comprehensive one. PS great video again
Very interesting video. Whoop is such an interesting device. I feel like so many other device can track the same metrics. Many of those devices actually track this stuff more accurately. But everyone loves the way Whoop presents the data. #whoopCult I expect a lot of companies will copy it. I just hope that everyone doesn't start adding a monthly fee for presenting the data to us. 🤮
Yup. I really like how whoop presents the data. It's easily digestible instead of a bunch of numbers that mean nothing. That said, wearing 2 devices seems silly especially with one having a monthly fee. If Garmin managed to clone the whoop metrics into Body Battery I think Whoop would have a real problem lol.
Considering that a base model fenix 6 can be had for about 400$ and a body battery compatible forerunner for less than half, all with significantly more features I find it very hard to justify the monthly price of the whoop. Also, I live in the alps, so the extra sensors in the watch like the altimeter make a lot of sense for me and the whoop band would be a significant down grade.
Does the whoop kind of get to know you over time ? I train between 20-30 hours a week. I’m afraid that it will tell me that my strain is really high if it doesn’t adjust itself to my training load …
Dave, love your videos and content. I recently picked up the Epix 2 and also am a Whoop user. I tried Whoop and have a few months left but am wondering if both are necessary. The challenge I am having is I don't want to wear the Epix 24/7 especially during the day. Do you think body battery would be accurate if I wore my Garmin after work through the night and during my morning workouts. My job is pretty sedentary so I don't see much benefit in wearing all day. Do you agree? I especially like the new stamina feature but want it to be accurate. I feel like the most important time to wear the Garmin is before bed, during sleep and during activity. Love your feedback. I wish Garmin would upgrade the Vivosmart 4 band so it worked flawlessly with the Epix 2.
If you don't wear the watch all day the Body Battery metric probably won't be very accurate. Even if you have a sedentary job the watch will detect moments of high/low stress and your heart rate which all effect BB. That said, I'm sure you could still gain some value from it even if you weren't wearing it 24/7. Hope that helps!
Hi great video, I’m curious do you still use the whoop ? If so do you also use a Garmin at the same time ? I’m also trying to figure out if someone uses both can all that data flow to apple health .
Has anyone bought a cheaper Garmin fitness band etc. to wear when sleeping to take advantage of body battery while wearing bulkier Garmin GPS watch throughout the day? I hate wearing my Instinct to bed but would really like to take advantage of the body battery feature. Would data even sync across 2 devices on Garmin Connect?
You haven't published any video's for over 7 days now which is weird or maybe you're working on something big like reviewing a new watch from Garmin or maybe I'm wrong 🤫... Anyway i know you couldn't tell as if it was but at least we deserve a teaser 😁. Hope you the best
Great vidoe. Trying to find the right fitness tracker for me. I workout everyday. Mostly strength training in the gym followed by a short bike or eliptical. I run a 5k only about 2 days a week and maybe a kettlebell workout once a week. . So really not out doors. Have been trying out the fenix 6, but can't wear it during kettlebell workouts. Thinking maybe a whoop, or keep garmin. Don't use the GPS on fenix 6 too often. Also, does Garmin measure HRV for recovery? I know whoop does. What do you think would be best for me. Thanks. and keep up the great work.
Why does the whoop band seem to show you repeatedly spike to 200bpm? For a device that is heavily reliant on good quality heart rate it's a bit of a concern to see these spikes.
The spikes make sense during workouts but I think in some other areas it may have been adjusting the strap or removing the device momentarily... Not really sure! The good news is that the spikes don't seem to effect the data too much. I wonder if they filter those out?
Great video I would definitely chose an upfront cost over the subscription. The subscription can and most likely increase over time. Hey, just one question. Why did your stress level increase just before you went to bed? Did your wife have anything to do with that😜
Good question, I've been seeing stress sporadically in my sleep patterns in Body Battery. I suspect it had something to do with the glass of wine that I had during dinner. It seems that triggers some "Stress" in Body Battery!
On the whoop data of the ultra day you have HR peaks of +/- 200 outside of the event. Do you have an explanation for this or is it just faulty measurements? My old whoop 3.0 has these false measurements all the time and really messed up the strain score for each day
Body battery is still a metric that doesn't sync from device to device. It will take your watch a couple of days to calibrate to your body battery. Body Battery Sync is coming soon via a firmware update.
Thank you for this. My biggest concern with Garmin has been their sleep metrics. I want a GPS watch once my Whoop memebership expires and this helped tremendously. One quick question, How is Coros sleep tracking?
Hey there. I have a coros apex. Sleep tracking is just… bad? See, if you wake up, use the toilet and go drink a glass of water, 99% of the time the watch uses this info as you fully wake up and does not track any sleep after that
COROS Sleep tracking isn't as advanced as the competition from Polar, Garmin, Whoop, etc... It's there, and it's good enough to get an idea of what's going on with your sleep. But that's about it. They also don't use the sleep metric for anything more than displaying it in the dashboard. For instance, it's not used to gauge recovery like on Garmin, Polar, or Whoop.
I suppose it depends what you're using this information for. Personally +/- 10 minutes isn't a big deal. Ideally I'm just looking for a ballpark of how my sleep went.
Can you explain how we get VO 2 Max on different activities it works well when I run but I haven’t got a clue how to set it up when I’m riding my mountain bike riding normal bike please
It only works with certain activities mainly road running and cycling unless you have a Fenix or higher end forerunner which support Mountain Biking and Trail Running.
Stress should not be looked at as bad. When he talks about building the stuff with his kids… it just means you’re moving around so your heart race is up which = stress. It’s healthy stress. “Maybe I was stressed I dunno” …. This is the problem with people hyper analyzing everything.
Whoop is shite. That’s not me being nasty but the GARMIN gives you so much More. £30 a month as well for a basic unit that doesn’t really do much else.
Super interesting video. I'm a Garmin user (6x Pro) but have been curious about the Whoop. I'll admit that when I bought the 6x Pro I didn't know about the body batter feature (was using a base model vivoactive 3 before that) but I LOVE it. Seriously helps me make sure I'm getting good recovery in between hard efforts. I don't think I used to give myself enough recovery time, but the body battery has helped me reign that in. Good stuff!
I appreciate this visual head-to-head comparison. I like the clean interface of the Whoop, but that high subscription fee is hard to justify. And nice to learn that running an ultra doesn’t seem to hammer you as much as building gingerbread houses! 😀
lol, gingerbread houses are serious business!
Holy Moly, great video! I LOVE this kind of comparisons between different platforms
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Hi, great video. I’ve been using Whoop 3.0 for about a year before I switched to Fenix 6, and I’m glad I did. Fenix 6 is much more accurate and you can use HR strap during workout and that makes Fenix 6 even more accurate then Whoop. Body battery makes a lot more sense, because it’s all day metric. Whoop is only one time number. And Fenix 6 counts your recovery by the hour after workout as well and that makes more sense too. Over all Fenix 6 and its Firstbeat performance analytics for stress, recovery and workout are much more useful and accurate if you understand and learn the way they work. Thanks for awesome video. 😉
I do like how there's some context to Body Battery rather than just a number. Thanks for sharing!
I just got the Whoop 4.0 and I do not like it. I’m thinking of just moving to the Fénix. I hate that I can’t spot check SpO2 and I really don’t feel it’s very accurate overall. It also keeps disconnecting from the app and has a shorter battery life. Thanks for listening 😂
Is the firstbeat analytics a subscription service or is that free? I’m considering getting the garmin S62 and have heard that firstbeat is a must if you get a garmin?
@@ProdigyAc Its with Garmin watch like Fenix 6 or 7... you don't pay extra for Firstbeat
Thank you. I am always anxious the day before a race or cycling with significant mileage.. Garmin body battery works like magic. I think with the Training Readiness, the game has changed tables significantly. Thank for the great content.
Woah! This is so cool! Would love to see more comparisons between the fenix 6 and the Whoop 4.0 band.
Also, thanks for your videos! They're helpful as always! It's because of your videos that I recently ordered the fenix 6! 👍🏽
Nice! Enjoy the F6!
@@ChaseTheSummit sounds like a foreshadowing to F7 release delay.
I’m just getting into this fitness stuff on my Garmin watch, and your videos are some of the best I’ve viewed. Thanks for all the info and analysis!
Glad you found them helpful!
I think they both bring value but the Garmin is the better value without a monthly subscription. I love my fenix 6X sapphire and have been wearing Garmin fenix watches since the 3. My Garmin pretty much told me I had Covid too based on RHR, HR, Stress, and Body Battery. Pretty cool stuff!
For sure! Thanks for sharing!
Great video Dave, interesting to see of that kind of value you can get out of these gadgets regarding recovery/body battery measurement. However the biggest downside (that overweights all of the upsides) is the anxiety of not getting the targets and loosing sleep over that anxiety.
Anxiety is one of the main factors of sleep deprivation and getting info that you are only 5% recovered after your restless night, will make the next night even more stress full for me, which will result in even more bad data, which will cause even worse sleep and the cycle will go on... 😁
Absolutely. That's a big reason why I try not to read too much into the numbers. I had an ultra planned, and I was going to run it despite my metrics indicating that I wasn't in tip top shape. I guess these tools are nice to have but you can't let them run your life.
Nothing like Garmin for me. I had Garmin for over 10 years, from Garmin 10 to 935xt, 500 to 1030 Edge, to swim...and never had any issues...
Nice!
really helpful video. i am a garmin owner who was considering getting a whoop b/c it seemed like i would get more insights. however, good to know that the body battery already synthesizes it all quite nicely using RHR, HRV and other data points. also good to know you don't need your body battery to be close to 100 before a big race
Glad it was helpful! A higher body battery would have been nice for the race but with 4 kids and a baby in the house beggers can't be choosers. I'm not going to let my watch tell me to bail on a race lol. Thanks for watching!
Congrats on the Ultra!!
Thanks!
almost 15k views and just 675 likes? C'mon guys dont be this stingy for a great review. It doesn't cost anything. Thank you Dave 🙏🙏 for what you do!
Thanks!
I have had Garmins in the past but I have had a Whoop band for nearly 18 months. I will be going back to Garmin when my subscription ends.
I have enjoyed having the extra analytics that Garmin didn’t have at the start but have got to the point where I don’t feel I am learning anything new about myself.
I enjoyed not being connected to my phone constantly without notifications on my wrist, but now I have a baby and if I don’t notice a cry for help with a nappy explosion it doesn’t go down well with my other half.
I have also found that I have kept my Garmin and will still use it on runs so I am developing multiple tan line which only needs to be one
lol, funny you mention the baby thing. It's real! People always wonder why I need to be so connected... This is exactly why. 4 young kids at home = need to stay in the loop. The tan line is a badge of honor.
I have find usefull combine body battery with recovery time (hours or days). Because, as you mentiond, BB will get increase after long sleep. Even more if there will be two days in row without activity and long sleep. But that doesnt mean that we are recoverd well...
I am very satisfied with Garmin data :) I have compared them to some semiprofi tools and they are very very close.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video as always! I have both the Whoop 4.0 and a Fenix 6. I really appreciate how the data is presented and ability to track trends and how they affect me over time (on the Whoop). To me - that’s the most valuable part of it. It’s such a simply thing to track, I’m surprised not much else does this. I love my Fenix - but the Whoop provides good info for me that I find benefit from and don’t feel like the cost is that bad (if you pay for the longer subscription). Like you said - the Whoop is just a band. I will always need a watch!
Lately I've been wearing both as well and really enjoy the combination. However, it would be nice to have all of the functionality in one device so I look less nerdy lol.
The same it’s for me. I wear a Wahoo Elemnt Rival as a watch (much less expensive and complicated than the Garmin Fenix) and the Whoop 4.0 for recovery. I workout 1h daily (Thriatlon, Boxing, Weighs…) and I love Whoop to avoid injuries
Is it comfortable to sleep with Fenix?
Where do you go too to get all that Garmin info ???
Awesome video! Super interesting to see the comparison of data side by side. I realy like the body battery function on my Garmin, I feel like it's scary how accurate it is sometimes haha
Thanks! It's certainly eye opening when you notice how the trends actually match the way you feel. Thanks for watching!
Yes, thumbs up. For me. I went with whoop 4.0. I don't go anywhere without my phone in most cases. I don't want to be distracted by looking at my wrist and trying to see data. $1. a day is nothing in my thoughts. I did not like the burning sensation I felt when I first wore it. But going to bed with it the following day, I do not notice it anymore. I will grab my Garmin GPS unit if I want accurate GPS tracking. I can dial that thing in really tight. My sport is MTB. The real plus for me with Whoop is how compact it is. I am a repair tech and use my hands and have them inside the equipment. So Whoop, being so small and tight is very important to me. It is a pain when your hands get stuck because of a wrist gadget hanging up on wires and equipment.
Burning sensation? That's interesting. The optical sensor shouldn't case any discomfort. It's only LED light.
Well. It felt Hot. Now it is fine.
There’s a subset of people like myself that, as you do, work in an office setting, & I meet clients often. That said, I prefer a regular watch that doesn’t make me look at my wrist when with clients by buzzing buzzing me, making them feel that I need to end the meeting & that I have to leave. So, having a fitness tracker that doesn’t ever bother me is my preference. I’ll check my phone for data when I have time. Thanks, great video.
Interesting perspective. You could also use "do not disturb" mode on a garmin but I get where you're coming from. It can be a distraction.
@@ChaseTheSummit there's also the fact that I don't want to wear a runner's watch whilst wearing a suit.
It's off-putting, at least to me, visually. And I'm not even OP
Nice. I've been hoping for something like this.
Hope it's helpful!
@@ChaseTheSummit I've been looking at the Whoop band and the Oura ring but it's hard to see how they're worth the expense over and above what Garmin already offer on their watches.
I'm a Garmin user (245) and have really been wondering how all of the first beat stuff compares to whoop, thanks for making this!
Glad it was helpful!
Been on the Garmin Fenix since the 5X. EDC is the Fenix 6X Pro Solar (Totally Trust) and rely on it daily.. Great Video (as always)…. 🇺🇸
Nice!
I've been a Whoop user for ~ 2yrs and got the Fenix 6s about 3 months ago. Since a firmware update in around October (for the 3.0), and on the 4.0 I'm seeing almost perfect agreement between body battery and recovery score. Right now the only advantage I'm seeing in Whoop is the health metrics/respiratory rate as I do find it helpful in mapping out "I think I'm getting sick". My Whoop subscription ends in March and I'm having a hard time convincing myself to keep paying $18 a month for it, unless some major new features on the software side drop. With the impending Fenix 7, I feel like it'll be an even harder sell. If Garmin could figure out a better online platform for Connect that let me see multiple months of data (particularly HRV, body battery, and sleep) I would probably leave Whoop behind.
Thanks for sharing. I think as Body Battery improves Whoop is going to have a harder and harder time keeping subscriptions. They still have something unique for now. Thanks for watching!
Be absolutely clear that Whoop’s sleep tracker is highly flawed. Last night it recorded that I was “awake” for 4 hours and 35 minutes. Total nonsense.
Interesting. I haven't had that experience. In fact Whoops sleep tracking seems more accurate than some of my other devices. I wonder what caused that for you?
Likely spam. I’ve seen this account post the same messages on a ton of videos featuring Whoop.
Love the channel and content btw, keep it up.
I have a Garmin Fenix 5. Loved it. Got the Fenix 6 Pro. I love it even more. After a year with the Fenix 6 i can no longer see the information on the screen. I can only access information through the app now. Not happy... they aren’t cheap! I’m contemplating getting Whoop now and going back to my Fenix 5 since the screen and lighting is perfect there. That’s a lot of money to invest in Garmin and not have a screen with the Fenix 6. Thanks for the review of the Whoop!
Yikes! Have you tried reaching out to Garmin about your issue? They're generally pretty good at customer service!
@@ChaseTheSummit thank you! I should have called but never did. I’m beyond the warranty now. I’m basically using this Fenix 6 as a Whoop now. Thanks again!
The calories burned on garmin is supposed to be plus minus 7% variance compared to hospital grade equipment. First beat (what garmin uses) has a white paper on this actually thats pretty interesting if you are nerdy like me. Cant speak to the whoop numbers but first beat algorithm is supposed to be the most accurate out there from third party tests with hospital grade equipment being the baseline.
Cool! I wish I had a more accurate way to measure. Right now I can only compare them side by side.
Very helpful comparisons-thank you for sharing!
Comparing price. Fenix 7XSS is 4 years of Whoop price if the Whoop price remains the same and we pay the cheapest 24 month subscription rather than monthly. I expect my garmin to go farther than that. But the advantage with Whoop is newer hardware and newer features every 6 months ig,
Interesting video
I think what would be helpful is
-How did you actually feel compared to their measurements? did you feel 50% recovered or closer to 30%?
-when did you actually wake up? Was Whoop right or was the Fenix?
-Which HR was right?
I had a whoop for years. I think $30 for their info a month was genuine robbery. The strap itself is fine but its HRM is not nearly what you get in any high end sports watch at this point. It has become a lifestyle flex piece IMO.
I mean, it’s hard to quantify what 30% vs 50% actually feels like lol. Kind of splitting hairs at that point. In reality I think they’re both somewhat useful but I agree that the monthly fee is a bit much. Fortunately the Whoop 4.0 has much better accuracy than the older Whoop 3.0 band you can find that info in my full Whoop 4.0 review. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. I also have a garmin and a whoop 3.0...still waiting for my 4.0. I rely solely on my whoop to calculate recovery mainly due to it being very comfortable and easy to sleep with. Also, whoops algorithms seem to be pretty accurate and align closely with how I feel. After all, Whoops sole purpose is to track sleep and recovery so I would hope that the information would be accurate. The subscription thing kinda sucks but they are constantly improving their algorithms and I know I can rely on the data.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video!
Thanks!
WOW! Great analysis! You may not be a scientist but you sure think like one, Dave.
Thanks!
Hi, great video. It would be great if you did the same but comparing Polar with its Performance Test and sports functions such as Training Load PRO, Nightly Recharge, Running / cycling performance, Orthostatic, etc.
Stay tuned. I'm wearing a Polar Grit X Pro and Whoop band as I type this.
@@ChaseTheSummit yeaah
Whoop data are strange to me. I think Garmin has more information.
During Ultra events the body battery is useless. At my last ultra I went down from 62 to 11 during the first 4h. The next 3.5h it went down to 5. And 5 stayed until 2am in the night. So this makes no sense and on the other hand it looks like that I go into minus and it takes time and sleep to come back. It should show this, but 5 seems to be the end of the chart. What I can see, it does not lean, there is no zeroing out.
It would be nice to understand the scale of the chart. I think I understand why we can't go negative as that would essentially mean we're dead lol. But it would make sense to go to 0 and stay there until recovery.
I don't think you can get lower than 5.
I was really sick the last week of October with strep throat and high fever.
Body Battery drained -71 to a Body Battery of 10 on Friday and then drained more on Saturday to a Body Battery low of 5. High stress the entire time.
Just saw the video, now the platform called habit dash has the compare feature.
Great to compare your devices when it comes to tracked performance/health data :)
Great work, thanks buddy!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and thanks for sharing. I’ve been using my Garmin Fenix 5x Plus for 3yrs now and love it (Garmin HRM pro for past year also). Been looking into maybe switching to Whoop mainly due to fact I can’t sleep with such a large watch on my wrist. So I miss out on the body battery for the most important part of recovery.
Like everyone though it’s the monthly fee coming out every month is what’s putting me off. But if you pay the 12/24 month up front you can get 3yrs for cost of new Fenix series.
Yup, the monthly fee is tough to swallow! Thanks for watching.
@@ChaseTheSummit managed to snag a 15% discount code so applied to the 12 month contract so works out £20 a month.
I'm thinking about getting a Whoop, Thanks for the discount link!
It's a great device! Hope the discount helps!
great detailed video, i appreciate it. That being said, imho if you actually do such a runs, they should be planned and you should be fully recovered and ready to go beforehand.
You're not wrong but things don't always go to planned. We've got a new baby in the house and that kind of turned things upside down. Instead I went into this one with low expectations but it actually turned out alright. Feeling pretty good just a few days later! Thanks for watching.
. It's interesting to see this kind of comparison since to me body battery is one of the most important features. I would love to see similar with Coros and Polar for example,. curious to know which company has the most comprehensive one.
PS great video again
For sure, I'd like to see something similar on Polar and Coros as well. Suunto actually has a decent verion called "Body Resources"
Very interesting video. Whoop is such an interesting device. I feel like so many other device can track the same metrics. Many of those devices actually track this stuff more accurately. But everyone loves the way Whoop presents the data. #whoopCult
I expect a lot of companies will copy it. I just hope that everyone doesn't start adding a monthly fee for presenting the data to us. 🤮
Yup. I really like how whoop presents the data. It's easily digestible instead of a bunch of numbers that mean nothing. That said, wearing 2 devices seems silly especially with one having a monthly fee. If Garmin managed to clone the whoop metrics into Body Battery I think Whoop would have a real problem lol.
Garmin is about 2 years of whoop, just that makes whoop the most logical choice ..
Considering that a base model fenix 6 can be had for about 400$ and a body battery compatible forerunner for less than half, all with significantly more features I find it very hard to justify the monthly price of the whoop. Also, I live in the alps, so the extra sensors in the watch like the altimeter make a lot of sense for me and the whoop band would be a significant down grade.
For sure, thanks for watching.
Awesome. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Does the whoop kind of get to know you over time ? I train between 20-30 hours a week. I’m afraid that it will tell me that my strain is really high if it doesn’t adjust itself to my training load …
Good work, man. Keep it going! You da man!
Thanks!
Nice job. Thanks for the info I appreciate it
I will stick with my Garmin as I have the same
Thanks for sharing!
Which garmin watch did you use to record the marathon?
Thanks! very informative review!
Glad it was useful!
Was super interesting thank you very much is
Glad you enjoyed it
Currently a Garmin user aa well as a whoop 3, how do you find the whoop 4 compared to the 3?
In my testing so far the 4 is much more accurate than the 3. I had pretty bad luck with the raw HR data coming from the 3.0.
@@ChaseTheSummit Yeah me too, I've pre ordered the series 4 but I'm thinking about cancelling it and getting an Oura ring instead.
Dave, love your videos and content. I recently picked up the Epix 2 and also am a Whoop user. I tried Whoop and have a few months left but am wondering if both are necessary. The challenge I am having is I don't want to wear the Epix 24/7 especially during the day. Do you think body battery would be accurate if I wore my Garmin after work through the night and during my morning workouts. My job is pretty sedentary so I don't see much benefit in wearing all day. Do you agree? I especially like the new stamina feature but want it to be accurate. I feel like the most important time to wear the Garmin is before bed, during sleep and during activity. Love your feedback. I wish Garmin would upgrade the Vivosmart 4 band so it worked flawlessly with the Epix 2.
If you don't wear the watch all day the Body Battery metric probably won't be very accurate. Even if you have a sedentary job the watch will detect moments of high/low stress and your heart rate which all effect BB. That said, I'm sure you could still gain some value from it even if you weren't wearing it 24/7. Hope that helps!
Nice one, really interesting to see and compare
Glad you enjoyed it!
Going into race day with a 18% recovery and then hitting a 20.7 strain is pretty sick :) Interesting comparison
Haha yeah sometimes we don't have the luxury of choosing. I wasn't going to bail because my watch said so!
Hi great video, I’m curious do you still use the whoop ? If so do you also use a Garmin at the same time ? I’m also trying to figure out if someone uses both can all that data flow to apple health .
Occasionally but not all the time. Using both simultaneously does have some benefits though.
Has anyone bought a cheaper Garmin fitness band etc. to wear when sleeping to take advantage of body battery while wearing bulkier Garmin GPS watch throughout the day? I hate wearing my Instinct to bed but would really like to take advantage of the body battery feature.
Would data even sync across 2 devices on Garmin Connect?
You haven't published any video's for over 7 days now which is weird or maybe you're working on something big like reviewing a new watch from Garmin or maybe I'm wrong 🤫... Anyway i know you couldn't tell as if it was but at least we deserve a teaser 😁.
Hope you the best
It’s been a busy time for my “real job” and family. More content in the works coming soon!
Great vidoe. Trying to find the right fitness tracker for me. I workout everyday. Mostly strength training in the gym followed by a short bike or eliptical. I run a 5k only about 2 days a week and maybe a kettlebell workout once a week. . So really not out doors. Have been trying out the fenix 6, but can't wear it during kettlebell workouts. Thinking maybe a whoop, or keep garmin. Don't use the GPS on fenix 6 too often. Also, does Garmin measure HRV for recovery? I know whoop does. What do you think would be best for me. Thanks. and keep up the great work.
Thanks! Garmin does track HRV but oddly it doesn't display that raw data. Instead they use HRV as a key metric in stress tracking and body battery.
Why does the whoop band seem to show you repeatedly spike to 200bpm? For a device that is heavily reliant on good quality heart rate it's a bit of a concern to see these spikes.
The spikes make sense during workouts but I think in some other areas it may have been adjusting the strap or removing the device momentarily... Not really sure! The good news is that the spikes don't seem to effect the data too much. I wonder if they filter those out?
What about Polar's Nightly Recharge?
That would make for a good comparison as well! I'll see what I can do!
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks! 👍
Great video
I would definitely chose an upfront cost over the subscription. The subscription can and most likely increase over time.
Hey, just one question. Why did your stress level increase just before you went to bed? Did your wife have anything to do with that😜
Good question, I've been seeing stress sporadically in my sleep patterns in Body Battery. I suspect it had something to do with the glass of wine that I had during dinner. It seems that triggers some "Stress" in Body Battery!
On the whoop data of the ultra day you have HR peaks of +/- 200 outside of the event. Do you have an explanation for this or is it just faulty measurements? My old whoop 3.0 has these false measurements all the time and really messed up the strain score for each day
I believe they were false recordings
Why I have enduro 2 and epix 2 and body battery 🔋 the numbers are different why and which one is right?
Body battery is still a metric that doesn't sync from device to device. It will take your watch a couple of days to calibrate to your body battery. Body Battery Sync is coming soon via a firmware update.
I just got my WHOOP and I also have a COROS watch. Do you find that wearing them on opposite wrists works OK?
Yes, that's probably the best way to do it other than wearing the Whoop up on your bicept.
Thank you for this. My biggest concern with Garmin has been their sleep metrics.
I want a GPS watch once my Whoop memebership expires and this helped tremendously. One quick question, How is Coros sleep tracking?
Hey there. I have a coros apex. Sleep tracking is just… bad? See, if you wake up, use the toilet and go drink a glass of water, 99% of the time the watch uses this info as you fully wake up and does not track any sleep after that
COROS Sleep tracking isn't as advanced as the competition from Polar, Garmin, Whoop, etc... It's there, and it's good enough to get an idea of what's going on with your sleep. But that's about it. They also don't use the sleep metric for anything more than displaying it in the dashboard. For instance, it's not used to gauge recovery like on Garmin, Polar, or Whoop.
@@filalves Oh wow! didn't know that. thank you!
@@ChaseTheSummit Thank you.
They’re some pretty huge discrepancies in the time you what time you woke up. + 10 minutes is HUGE!
I suppose it depends what you're using this information for. Personally +/- 10 minutes isn't a big deal. Ideally I'm just looking for a ballpark of how my sleep went.
Wow, 42 is a pretty low BB score for an ultra marathon race day!
Yep!
Speaking of bands, I just bought the Coros Vertix. I'm looking at cheaper bands on Ebay/Amazon. Any suggestion on what fits?
These are my fav for cheap money! geni.us/wiZn
@@ChaseTheSummit Looks good. There is no Vertix listed, it will fit?
Good review
Thanks!
Had to sell my whoop, it was too simple. Not a terrible product and I liked its sleep tracking, but for its price it felt like a scam lol.
Thanks for sharing!
Can you explain how we get VO 2 Max on different activities it works well when I run but I haven’t got a clue how to set it up when I’m riding my mountain bike riding normal bike please
It only works with certain activities mainly road running and cycling unless you have a Fenix or higher end forerunner which support Mountain Biking and Trail Running.
@@ChaseTheSummit I have a Fenix 6 Sapphire can you do a video on this please
PS thanks for getting back to me 👍👍
Garmin is better ❤
Cool!
Glad you thought so!
My take away from all this , we really need to improve your quality of sleep 😂
Lol, might be a few years either 4 young kids in the house!
Stress should not be looked at as bad. When he talks about building the stuff with his kids… it just means you’re moving around so your heart race is up which = stress. It’s healthy stress. “Maybe I was stressed I dunno” …. This is the problem with people hyper analyzing everything.
For sure, it would be nice if these platforms gave more actionable information about the data because it's easy to see "stress" as bad.
Whoop is shite. That’s not me being nasty but the GARMIN gives you so much More. £30 a month as well for a basic unit that doesn’t really do much else.
It's an interesting model. I do like the platform but the price is hard to swallow.