Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not. How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure" * Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done. He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea" this is basically that.
sounds like the cold version sand cannons used in Jack Vance's Tschai, it takes sand from the desert and accelerates it to several times the speed of sound, doing lots of damage on inpact
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
Ya know... That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao. I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice. Though I usually didn't throw those at people. I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason. To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
Very creative. How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :) I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight. OR Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors! You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port. All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired).. I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily. Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
7:41 If you reverse the current direction of a TEC element, it also reverses the direction of the heat-pump. Therefore you could actually eliminate the discrete heating elements from the system, in fact recovering some of the precious temperature delta you have already worked for to increase efficiency (TECs performance increase with Temp deltas).
Thanks🙌 And that's a solid suggestion! Insulating the block could definitely speed up the freezing process. Any particular insulation material you'd recommend?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You're limited on space, so it would have to be something that doesn't rely on air gaps or thickness. Maybe closed cell foam of some sort. If you can shrink the aluminum block, that would also make freezing faster.
As an alternative you could perhaps use a section of bike innertube inside your air reservoir tube as it would hold more than 2bar especially with the tube to support it?
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection. Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
What about using dry ice pellets and storing them in a cooling chamber. Then when you load a shot you could compress them to a certain size. Those should be good for quite some time and even more powerful as they have basically twice the density of regular ice.
That's a cool idea! Dry ice pellets would definitely pack a punch with that extra density, and storing them in a cooling chamber could keep them ready for action. Do you think compressing them on the spot would add to the impact, or might it be tricky to handle the dry ice safely?
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Wow, what I really like is that you find time and effort to also add a great visual design to your projects. So it's not only great engineering, but also looks very cool. Wish you best luck with your projects and RUclips. Cheers!
You're the first to say this and it really makes me happy😁 because I put quite a lot of time into making my projects look as aesthetically pleasing as possible🤓 So really, Thanks for that!
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
something that has potential to work is make a mold inside the chamber to mold the ice into a more aerodynamic/ballistic projectile. I thought of using 2 pieces of metal that can slide in/out so that the bullet can be fired.
A built-in mold inside the chamber could definitely streamline the process, especially if it creates a more aerodynamic shape for the ice projectiles! Using two sliding metal pieces sounds like a smart way to ensure it releases smoothly when fired. Have you experimented with molds in other projects before, or would this be a new approach for you?
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns. Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile. But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
That's super cool! You should make a version with 30mm diameter projectiles and rifling on the barrel. Ice isn't very dense compared to normal bullets. But if you shoot a heavy chunk of ice at moderate velocities, air resistance shouldn't make it lose power too fast, and it would stay pretty precise compared to a lighter projectile traveling at faster velocities. Do you think that it would be possible for an ice bullet to get shot through a plywood board?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂 I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside. I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely. Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand. Can't wait to se V2!
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
Interesting categorization! It’s kind of a mix of all those things, isn’t it? What aspect do you think makes it lean more towards one category than another? Curious to hear your thoughts!
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
I like the work you put into this. Many people on the website hackaday all think it is fake, they say the energy needed would be too much for your setup. While i know almost nothing on the peltier i did look up the reviews of the model you used on amazon and they are quite good. So my question is would it be possible for you to make a video on your freezing process and how you got to where you are after a year of work. I don't agree with them but i don't know enough to make any arguments on the subject. Keep up the good work man.
Thanks for pointing that out to me! I checked Hackaday to see what they are talking about🤓And I understand what they mean, but they are missing the correct information about a few important factors that made this possible..😄For one, I over volted the fans to almost double the voltage, but an even more important thing is the temperature of the outside air at the time of filming .. It may look sunny and warm in the video but the temperature was only just above freezing temperature🥶 Something I hesitated for a long time about whether to mention it in the video or not... But because I didn't plan to share the project in any way whatsoever due to safety, and because it could theoretically be done if you use the water from the reservoir to cool the pletier elements, I decided to leave that detail out because I felt that it would undermine the whole project a bit if you understand what I mean?🤓
@ConceptCraftedCreations right I gotcha, the amount of time you put into this just didn't make sense if it didn't really work. And I hate when people make assumptions without actual proof. I get what you're saying about keeping a level of info out for safety reasons. Anyway bro I'll look forward to future projects.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier. Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
That's a fantastic idea! Integrating a magazine with a cooling system would definitely take this to the next level. Do you think a modular design for the magazine would make it more versatile, or should it remain fully integrated?
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
That's a great suggestion! Shaping the ice pellets for better aerodynamics would definitely boost performance, but it would add an interesting design challenge. Do you think a more streamlined shape would help with accuracy or distance the most?
@ConceptCraftedCreations maybe a little of both, but will probably notice the distance more with the shape of pellet. For increased accuracy, maybe barrel rifling
if the water is not clean H2O than it is basalt. so you can call it magma-basalt firing platform (or Magma-Basalt-Schießplattform for the coolness factor)
Does it shoot water though? If you asked for a glass of water, and someone gave you a glass containing 5 ice cubes... they obviously didn't give you what you asked for. That said, an ice gun *is* awesome.
Hey, for future reference, please be more careful when pressure testing PVC -- it has a tendency to fail violently and send shrapnel flying everywhere, potentially causing serious injury or ___.
-What A astonishing build! 5/5 ....this is why RUclips is my prefered social media place to "waste" time on. Incredible, great work... edit; subscribed
Thank you so much! 🙌 I'm honored that this build made it worth your time on RUclips. Welcome to the channel, and I hope you enjoy what’s coming next-there’s more in store!
1:16 this is my first time watching this channel. I saw the language and Immediately knew it was Dutch. I’ve only had around ~100 days of Duolingo Dutch. I went straight to the channel description and saw Netherlands. I’m honestly proud of myself for spotting that it was Dutch!
That’s impressive! Duolingo must be working wonders for you. Spotting Dutch after just 100 days is no small feat-well done! Have you been learning Dutch for fun, or is there a specific reason behind it?🤓
I would call the an Ice Pellet gun. New category. But dang, that is complex and looks painful. Though it could be deadly, the current pressure doesn't seam to be.
@mansfieldtime An Ice Pellet Gun does sound fitting! Do you think higher pressure could take this device to a whole new level, or is there a limit to what you’d expect?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I Am NOT an expert. Still, theses are my thoughts. The increase of pressure will definitely improve projectile speed. However there is a point where the ice will move so fast it simply evaporate. Even at Super High speeds, Titanium heats up and expands. So personally I don't think it would be effective to go super sonic. I do believe doubling the pressure will not mathematically double your speed, or range, it would be more like 1.8 times faster. With the current bullet size you could easily make it deadly. However, because this is ice, an increased speed would have an increased air resistance and so I think as you add more and more pressure, at some point you will notice shorter and shorter ranges. Unless you increase mass of the bullet. But then you would eventfully run into the Square Cubed Law, conundrum. Have you seen "Smarter everyday Super Sonic Baceball cannon."??? Honestly, didn't think it was possible. So whatever you do, please continue to document. Whether you do manage to make a super sonic ice pellet or find the relative Speed ice evaporates, Physics is going to continue to fascinate me.
The exact speed is still unknown, but the weight of the ice projectile is around 2 grams. Glad you enjoyed the project! Any guesses on how fast it might be traveling?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations use electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. ignite with a spark and you have water based propellent giving as much power as you desire. i would imagine it could go supersonic. after forming the projectle reverse the polarity on the peltier chips to relese it and recover some potential energy for the next freeze. heat the barrel slightly and use a twisted hexagon shape. no more than half a twist or the centripetal force will destroy the bullet. before firing inject a little water behind the bullet to act as wadding to seal the gasses
For the next version using generative design may be interessting and see if you maybe could even add that to the main component it self to make it more compact/efficient in producing ice bullets. A feature would be sick were you could change the calliber it self but also have a sort of amo display. For example if you want bigger callibers it will use more water and based on this it can calculate the amount of shots left. So if you use smaller callibers you can of cause shoot more. I wonder if you could make the water pump section more compact using the concepts of microfluidics.
Thanks! I love engaging with everyone who takes the time to comment-it’s all part of what makes these projects so much fun. Do you have any ideas or suggestions for future builds?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations electric jet engine on the scooter? the basic idea is that we have an electric turbine that acts as a compressor, and than a nozzle.
i know you said you pulled the compressor from a robot, but what was it's original use / location? This project checkcs off several boxes for me of things I've been toying with for a while. this is just fantastic. I knew this subscription would pay off!
I'm in games programming, so my thinking may not translate to mechanical engineering all that great, but here goes. An idea for a possible v2: Split the factory and the barrel and have the factory make ice for a magazine that can store them. If you produce one ice block every 10 minutes, you could walk around with it for 30 minutes and have three shots ready to go. That basically sounds like a pretty cool mechanic for a game even. I'm also guessing that you could form the ice to shapes that travel better through the air than just cylinders. Give them a spike in front and a sort of tail in the back and they probably both travel straighter and penetrate better on hit. This would probably increase the complexity of the project quite significantly though.
In India where I am from there is a festival called Holi which is adored by children all over the world and they buy 'pichkaris', which are water guns and water balloons along with powdered colours and play with those. Anyways every time I see a water gun or balloons I am reminded of that. Great build and video.
Thanks!🙌 and i've seen the festivals with the coloured powders but it's the first time i hear about Holi! So you can see that you can learn something new every day🤓
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Truly, if used porperly, we realise why the internet was praised so much for its educational capacity. If you can ignore the nonsense then it is the greatest most accessible source of information. Unfortunately we are all human and can get distracted but it is nice to see that educational videos like yours are entertaining.
Well said! The internet really does have an incredible capacity to educate and connect people from all over the world. I’m glad to hear you find these videos both entertaining and informative-that’s exactly the goal! Are there any other topics you’d like to see covered in future projects?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I think using frequently taught physics concepts that are found to be boring to solve a real problem or just to make a fun project would be amazing. It would explain the real world meaning of the principles and laws that are studied. Maybe thermodynamics or bouyancy related projects?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Given the current lack of them, I'd personally prioritise function, though if it's small enough there are plenty of neat designs from video games that could definitely be used to spruce it up a bit (MGSV, DMC5, HD2)
would make more sense to use a barrel chambering mechanism that's separate from the magazine chamber, in this way only the barrel chamber needs to be cooled and you don't have to worry about the magazine chamber clutching from ice. You already use cyclic pieces in the mag chamber, just eject the water from the cyclic piece closest to the barrel to create a natural thermal wall of air. Would allow for chambering shots to be ONLY limited to how quickly the water can be cooled to ice, rather than cooled + re-heated. Firearms are very well developed, there's no need to try and re-invent the wheel just because you're using a different material, just have to go about it differently. Damn cool video though!
Is there a reason you added two extra heating elements to melt the outer ice surface, instead of just reusing the existing peltier elements in reverse polarity (to heat rather than cool the block-side)? Would be more efficient with respect to space and energy.
Improvement idea: Maybe having those valves being shaped in a certain way would allow to have a better bullet. Wether you shape it for speed, terminal ballistics or whatever. People called it an ice rifle, and i had seen some subsonic bullets (300 blackout? i dont really remember, but the video i seen it at was from one of those most famous gun youtubers and he was testing a bunch of subsonic projectiles, including ballistic gel) That had a LOT of spin, and defnitelly dumped all of that energy on the target. Maybe this thing could do something similar since i don't think ice would like to go supersonic. And yeah, i know the whole thing is just dumb fun but thats how my head works and i guess so do yours. lol
That’s an interesting idea-shaping the valves and the projectile for specific ballistics could definitely add a new level to this build! Going subsonic with added spin might help maximize the impact without pushing the ice beyond its structural limits. And yeah, it's all about having fun with these crazy concepts! Any other ideas you’d throw into the mix?
Bedankt! Het was zeker een uitdaging om de eerste “ice bullet” te maken. 😄 De polariteit wisselen voor verwarming was een goed idee, maar het bleek minder effectief dan verwacht. Misschien heeft het te maken met hoe snel de warmte verdeeld wordt. Heb jij ervaring met deze techniek?
I'm curious to see how only partially freezing the projectile might affect performance. If the ice freezes in such a way that the inside is still water, it might be able to shatter on impact, allowing it to function similarly to a paintball
Interesting thought! Partially freezing the water to get that shattering effect could create some awesome visuals on impact-like an ice “paintball” effect. Might be tricky to get the timing right, but it’d be worth testing! Do you think it’d work better for distance or closer-range shots?
@ I’m not much of a paint baller myself so I’m really not sure! My guess is that it would be more reliable at short ranges but have more room for error at longer ranges I suppose
Good point! At closer range, it would probably be easier to get that shattering effect consistently. For longer distances, it might need more fine-tuning to keep the integrity of the ice. Makes me wonder if there’s a sweet spot for range and impact. Would be fun to test!
honestly if you ask me, that's an ice gun, not a water gun. as far as i'm concerned the water in a water gun has to be liquid when it's leaving the barrel in order to call it a water gun. if it's solid when leaving the barrel, that's an ice gun.
Just add another heating element to the trigger interface Add one safety catch to the heating interface Second add another barrel filled with super cold nitrogen. The ice when solidified to become pellets The push of the safety will melt the ice on the outer layer of pellet whilst pushing the pellet into the shooting chamber. Another safety catch will fill and in reverse push the super cooled nitrogen / oxygen / helium - or whatever substance works for super cooling to harden to extreme levels. The pellet inside the shooting chamber with its outer layer melted can be given a fine needle point with some precision chambering engineering. The trigger when pulled will shoot out the super cooled pellet to even go through glass wood or other materials as well. A perfect water gun.
If you reverse the polarity of the cooler it will heat it and you can loose the heaters although it will be slower. But may cool the next shot quicker from starting from a precooled heatsink.
So the small pump holes serve also as pressure escape as the ice freezes? Sketchy but brilliant. I'm most astonished that you didn't seem to need an extremely fast pressure relief system.
It’s definitely a bit of a risky design choice, but it seemed to work out well in this build! And i used a small solenoid valve to release all the pressure at once. Do you think there are other ways to improve this pressure management?
Ice rifle but technically a water gun too. It is like how a rifle is a gun and a pistol is a gun since they use bullets. It uses water as it's source of projectile, so it is a water gun.
Appreciate the shoutout to classic sci-fi! It's amazing how some ideas from the 1950s still inspire and find their way into real-world projects today. Do you remember the name of the story? It'd be cool to see how closely it matches this build!
I actually used double-sided thermal tape for attaching the thermoelectric generators. It's a handy alternative to thermal grease. Do you think there's a significant difference in efficiency between the two?
It’s definitely a fun concept! Having a gun that creates its own ammo adds a cool self-sufficient twist. Do you think this idea has more practical or creative potential?
I think you could simplify the design a lot by removing the heating elements, and reversing the polarity of the peltier plates whenever you want to heat the ice. In addition to the simplicity, it would be more energy efficient, and might be faster. Either way, it looks like it was a very cool project, and well-designed!
It’s a pellet gun, because it could take out an eye. Also it would be interesting to see a version that would wrap around the forearm and fire from the posterior of the wrist.
Turning it into a forearm-mounted version would be pretty epic, almost like something straight out of a sci-fi movie! I’ll have to keep that concept in mind for future projects. Any other futuristic modifications you think would be fun to add?
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Test it on ballistics gel
Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
exactly my thought :)
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Various fruits and vegtables or piece of meat are always entertaining targets. :D
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
so, you created a gun with untraceable bullets.. who you planning to kill?
I checked the list and my mother-in-law tops the list currently😅
@@ConceptCraftedCreations WHY??????😱😱😱
@@ConceptCraftedCreationswe can all relate to that 😂
lmao
Hopefully my ex-wife 🤣
Everyone hates when i bring blocks of ice to a water fight
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The equivalent of a rock in a snowball
Like the guys that would dip their snow balls in water and let them freeze. They hurt!
Hahahah
As everyone else have already pointed out, its an ice rifle and it is indeed a perfect assassination tool
But are ice rifles already a thing or would this be the first one in that category?😋
@@ConceptCraftedCreations pretty sure the CIA had one long ago. It could inject poisons with ice projectiles
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not.
How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Haha😄 a "long range high-velocity popsicle delivery system" actually makes it sound like something that's pretty safe to use😋 Like it!
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
@@DrTheRich My thoughts exactly. I'd say God help us, but I doubt even He could stop this madness. He'd sooner just wipe the slate clean.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations next time built a "long range high-velocity Pawpsicle delivery system" and sell it to Nick Wilde and Finnic
@@DrTheRich well, if people generally agree with the definition yeah. And that definition of pretty agreeable
4:04 no pressure gage no safety , you’re a madman 😂
It’s a pipe bomb
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure"
* Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
@@vladidiazkutchov287, he did have a lighted cig prepared though
@@AlexBuznik good point everybody know that if you have a camera or a lit cigarette in your hand you become invincible
lets see if it burst and shot a shard into my gut, thats why it is importent to stand right next to it!
To keep this thing off the radar of ATF, I would call it a short-range ice dispenser.
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done.
He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
I don't think he needs to worry about ATF.
@@ericatkinson5433folding stocks improve the lethality by about 73,82 %, everyone knows that!
@@mobiljobe If he has a dog or children he does. They don't care about things like laws or borders.
Did you try reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block? This would decrease the part count and complexity
No I haven't but will definitely give it a try today to see if it works😯
I love how this comment sounds like classic techno-babble, but it's not lol
did you just combine piezo and peltier elements into one word, or am I overthinking it?
Was about to comment that. It surely seems like it would work and make it simpler.
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsdid it work?
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
Was thinking the same thing, holy shit lol. Could've ended up with shrapnel wounds!
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
Is it worth maybe wrapping it in some sort of carbon
@@sheriffoftiltover I was worried the metal parts on either end would fly across the room would fly like bullets from a real gun!
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea"
this is basically that.
sounds like the cold version sand cannons used in Jack Vance's Tschai, it takes sand from the desert and accelerates it to several times the speed of sound, doing lots of damage on inpact
In "Deception Point" by Dan Brown there is a Delta Force Squad in the arctic which uses this technology.
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
also, Dan Brown was never a soldier
How long does it take for the water to freeze? I thought you would pre-prepare the ice bullets but the way you made them inside the gun was genius.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I'm also curious how you power the gun. A battery pack? A power cord? How much power does it consume?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations thanks for the answer i was wondering how long reload was
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Just increase the cooler size of the hot side. It will be much easier to cool
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
Thanks!😎
you load water ,so it is not 100% ice gun.
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations 100% ice gun would be way more boring, where you load ready ice bullets.
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
You ain’t fooling me this is straight up a ChatGPT answer
What is a NUG?
NUG?
@@Th3-WhOwOl3y-TrEeNiT3a An Oh four dubbelya dubbelya nug ;) (MASH quote)
My brother would dip his snow balls in water and let them freeze. He always won the "snow" ball fights.
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bruh, if i had one of those in a fight, i'd get a free ride on an ambulance for mine opponent.
I always pull out my snow balls and dip them in any liquid i see as well
Had same type memory from this, similar principal.
Ya know...
That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao.
I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice.
Though I usually didn't throw those at people.
I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
I don't know how cantered (right word?) you would need the ice freezing chamber to ensure clean emptying, particularly given that it slightly expands.
You should add fine sawdust to the ice. This will make the 'bullets' 20x stronger.
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations it is a long known fact about ice and sawdust.
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason.
To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
It wont be filled with water its just for pressurised air to propel the ice. Although everything you said is correct otherwise.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
Very creative.
How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :)
I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight.
OR
Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Thanks! And the Mythbusters tried shooting ice bullets a few years ago en actually ended up using slime instead!🤓
Lethal Condom gun 😂
@@hopefullyhigh This was so funny I couldn't hold in the laughter😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hopefullyhigh That literally came to my mind and I opened the replies thinking nobody would have typed that! right? but here I am laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
11:13 "Armor hit, deflection! Target still standing!" 😅
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
I bet the bullet will disintegrate .. Would love to see.. But without a sabot it would be impossible I guess.
"lets test if the pvc pipe will explode" *stands right next to it*
Calling this a water gun is like calling a nuke a box full of rocks
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
You've got a good point! And those are way more powerful than my creation!😯
Water cutting machines rely on an abrasive powder to cut
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD
Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale
Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors!
You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@ConceptCraftedCreations Sadly not. Not even with a full sized vapor compression system. I just watch hyperspace Pirate here on RUclips 😂
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Responding to comments is cool, but not when it’s obviously just chatGPT. Really?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port.
All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired)..
I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily.
Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
7:41 If you reverse the current direction of a TEC element, it also reverses the direction of the heat-pump. Therefore you could actually eliminate the discrete heating elements from the system, in fact recovering some of the precious temperature delta you have already worked for to increase efficiency (TECs performance increase with Temp deltas).
Would like to see some more thorough testing. Like shooting at plywood and/or ballistics gel.
I'd try to get some ballistics gel but couldn't find anyone who sold it here unfortunately🤔
Puncturing 1-inch plywood is seen as a general stand-in for whether something is lethal or not.
Amazing design, very well thought out and organized. If you insulate that block, the projectiles might freeze faster.
Thanks🙌 And that's a solid suggestion! Insulating the block could definitely speed up the freezing process. Any particular insulation material you'd recommend?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You're limited on space, so it would have to be something that doesn't rely on air gaps or thickness. Maybe closed cell foam of some sort. If you can shrink the aluminum block, that would also make freezing faster.
Really nice work, looks like it’s straight out of overwatch, it’s got that retro future feel
Thanks! And i kind of went for that future look so i guess it worked out😎
if that’s what you went for, then I would say yeah, you did manage it
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“Guys it’s just a water gun. Relax 🙄”
*proceeds to freeze the water*
type: Sniper
Level: Legendary
damage: 999+
Cooldown time: 10-20 sec
no. of bullets: 1 per round
special ability: untraceable bullets
overall rating: 4.5 / 5 😎
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You’re a freaking genius dude, holy crap 🫨
As an alternative you could perhaps use a section of bike innertube inside your air reservoir tube as it would hold more than 2bar especially with the tube to support it?
Good one!👌
Spent so much effort on the engineering to see if it was possible there was no time left to think if it should be done (was practical).
hits hard hits far but has a long cooldown
this is actually balanced enough to bring to a water fight
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection.
Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
@@ericatkinson5433 wimp
Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
Thanks! Incredible concept. Amazing creation 👍 Nice use of the pelter genarators. 👌
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes my cvd unit had electrical feed through, so it's easy to use it as a heater or cooler by flipping the voltage.
What about using dry ice pellets and storing them in a cooling chamber. Then when you load a shot you could compress them to a certain size.
Those should be good for quite some time and even more powerful as they have basically twice the density of regular ice.
That's a cool idea! Dry ice pellets would definitely pack a punch with that extra density, and storing them in a cooling chamber could keep them ready for action. Do you think compressing them on the spot would add to the impact, or might it be tricky to handle the dry ice safely?
why not use the hot side of the peltier module to superheat water into steam to push the ice using a piston at super high velocity
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations as well if you use "water" with the right mineral mix it will freeze from the outside first and create a "shell"
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Wow, what I really like is that you find time and effort to also add a great visual design to your projects. So it's not only great engineering, but also looks very cool. Wish you best luck with your projects and RUclips. Cheers!
You're the first to say this and it really makes me happy😁 because I put quite a lot of time into making my projects look as aesthetically pleasing as possible🤓 So really, Thanks for that!
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
I guess air soft would be the closest thing to it indeed! And what about free ammo when it rains?😋
something that has potential to work is make a mold inside the chamber to mold the ice into a more aerodynamic/ballistic projectile. I thought of using 2 pieces of metal that can slide in/out so that the bullet can be fired.
A built-in mold inside the chamber could definitely streamline the process, especially if it creates a more aerodynamic shape for the ice projectiles! Using two sliding metal pieces sounds like a smart way to ensure it releases smoothly when fired. Have you experimented with molds in other projects before, or would this be a new approach for you?
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns.
Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile.
But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
That's super cool! You should make a version with 30mm diameter projectiles and rifling on the barrel. Ice isn't very dense compared to normal bullets. But if you shoot a heavy chunk of ice at moderate velocities, air resistance shouldn't make it lose power too fast, and it would stay pretty precise compared to a lighter projectile traveling at faster velocities.
Do you think that it would be possible for an ice bullet to get shot through a plywood board?
A 12mm plywood board is no challenge at all 😅. Anything thicker, though, I'm not so sure-might need to test that in the next experiment!
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I was thinking of 3/4" ply. I guess about 18mm? I'd love to see that, it would be crazy!
Awesome project but please be careful when pressure testing like that, at least put it it like a box or stand a bit further away 😅
I didn't understand that part of the project, but if he is compressing air, please pressure test it with water.
I got my safety glasses on🤓 Does that count?😋
@daviniusb6798 I know.. but the portable compressor doesn't work with water🤓
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
this is so cool id love to see a clear version that lets you watch the ice freeze
The cop are still searching for the bullet
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂
I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside.
I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely.
Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand.
Can't wait to se V2!
Once water is frozen into a solid, it ceases to be a water gun.
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsice AKal
frozen water is still water.
Hidro- adjerated - slug - projecktik , training tool , proof of concept - defence system , & mature toy.
Interesting categorization! It’s kind of a mix of all those things, isn’t it? What aspect do you think makes it lean more towards one category than another? Curious to hear your thoughts!
Only 241 moneys! Like that's peanuts lol
Clearly makes a lot of money from RUclips😂
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
For machined aluminium parts, I don't think it's too expensive.
I like the work you put into this. Many people on the website hackaday all think it is fake, they say the energy needed would be too much for your setup. While i know almost nothing on the peltier i did look up the reviews of the model you used on amazon and they are quite good. So my question is would it be possible for you to make a video on your freezing process and how you got to where you are after a year of work. I don't agree with them but i don't know enough to make any arguments on the subject. Keep up the good work man.
Thanks for pointing that out to me! I checked Hackaday to see what they are talking about🤓And I understand what they mean, but they are missing the correct information about a few important factors that made this possible..😄For one, I over volted the fans to almost double the voltage, but an even more important thing is the temperature of the outside air at the time of filming .. It may look sunny and warm in the video but the temperature was only just above freezing temperature🥶
Something I hesitated for a long time about whether to mention it in the video or not... But because I didn't plan to share the project in any way whatsoever due to safety, and because it could theoretically be done if you use the water from the reservoir to cool the pletier elements, I decided to leave that detail out because I felt that it would undermine the whole project a bit if you understand what I mean?🤓
@ConceptCraftedCreations right I gotcha, the amount of time you put into this just didn't make sense if it didn't really work. And I hate when people make assumptions without actual proof. I get what you're saying about keeping a level of info out for safety reasons. Anyway bro I'll look forward to future projects.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations thanks for addressing this! I admit I was quick to accuse you but that comment may have gotten filtered out anyway
Pvc shrapnel doesn't show up on xrays😅
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Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier.
Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
Now make a magazine for the ice bullets. You could either make each magazine have its own cooling system or have a magazine built into the gun itself
That's a fantastic idea! Integrating a magazine with a cooling system would definitely take this to the next level. Do you think a modular design for the magazine would make it more versatile, or should it remain fully integrated?
If water guns were used in the military:
Jokes aside- this project was amazing, excellent work!
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
It would be a wacky concept to make a gun that uses water balloons for ammo- don't know how it would work but it would be a good video nonetheless!
This is sick! It would definitely add to the complexity, but what about shaping the pellets to be more aerodynamic?
That's a great suggestion! Shaping the ice pellets for better aerodynamics would definitely boost performance, but it would add an interesting design challenge. Do you think a more streamlined shape would help with accuracy or distance the most?
@ConceptCraftedCreations maybe a little of both, but will probably notice the distance more with the shape of pellet. For increased accuracy, maybe barrel rifling
Add it to my Christmas list. 🤣
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if the water is not clean H2O than it is basalt. so you can call it magma-basalt firing platform (or Magma-Basalt-Schießplattform for the coolness factor)
It shoots water, its a water gun. And a great one too. Well done
Does it shoot water though? If you asked for a glass of water, and someone gave you a glass containing 5 ice cubes... they obviously didn't give you what you asked for. That said, an ice gun *is* awesome.
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We need to make a category of cryo projectile launchers. Because it belongs in that cool category!
Hey, for future reference, please be more careful when pressure testing PVC -- it has a tendency to fail violently and send shrapnel flying everywhere, potentially causing serious injury or ___.
-What A astonishing build!
5/5
....this is why RUclips is my prefered social media place to "waste" time on. Incredible, great work...
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Thank you so much! 🙌 I'm honored that this build made it worth your time on RUclips. Welcome to the channel, and I hope you enjoy what’s coming next-there’s more in store!
If you use high pressure pvc pipe rated for natural gas you can up the pressure on your electric compressor.
Interesting suggestion! Have you tried something similar before? I wonder how much of a difference it could make in terms of pressure
Truly amazing job
Thanks so much! Glad you think so! Were there any parts of the project that stood out to you?
There's no need for separate heater. You can just reverse polarity on Peltier modules to heat up chamber.
1:16 this is my first time watching this channel. I saw the language and Immediately knew it was Dutch. I’ve only had around ~100 days of Duolingo Dutch. I went straight to the channel description and saw Netherlands. I’m honestly proud of myself for spotting that it was Dutch!
That’s impressive! Duolingo must be working wonders for you. Spotting Dutch after just 100 days is no small feat-well done! Have you been learning Dutch for fun, or is there a specific reason behind it?🤓
@ pretty much for fun
That’s awesome! Dutch is such a unique language to pick up just for fun. Have you tried using your Dutch skills in real-world situations yet? 😊
@ no, haven’t used them irl
this is brilliantly designed
Thank you! I’m glad you appreciate the design. It took a lot of tinkering to get it just right! 👌🔧
I would call the an Ice Pellet gun. New category. But dang, that is complex and looks painful. Though it could be deadly, the current pressure doesn't seam to be.
@mansfieldtime An Ice Pellet Gun does sound fitting! Do you think higher pressure could take this device to a whole new level, or is there a limit to what you’d expect?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I Am NOT an expert. Still, theses are my thoughts.
The increase of pressure will definitely improve projectile speed. However there is a point where the ice will move so fast it simply evaporate. Even at Super High speeds, Titanium heats up and expands. So personally I don't think it would be effective to go super sonic. I do believe doubling the pressure will not mathematically double your speed, or range, it would be more like 1.8 times faster. With the current bullet size you could easily make it deadly.
However, because this is ice, an increased speed would have an increased air resistance and so I think as you add more and more pressure, at some point you will notice shorter and shorter ranges. Unless you increase mass of the bullet. But then you would eventfully run into the Square Cubed Law, conundrum.
Have you seen "Smarter everyday Super Sonic Baceball cannon."??? Honestly, didn't think it was possible. So whatever you do, please continue to document. Whether you do manage to make a super sonic ice pellet or find the relative Speed ice evaporates, Physics is going to continue to fascinate me.
What is the speed and weight of the bit of ice? Fun project.
The exact speed is still unknown, but the weight of the ice projectile is around 2 grams. Glad you enjoyed the project! Any guesses on how fast it might be traveling?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations use electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. ignite with a spark and you have water based propellent giving as much power as you desire. i would imagine it could go supersonic. after forming the projectle reverse the polarity on the peltier chips to relese it and recover some potential energy for the next freeze. heat the barrel slightly and use a twisted hexagon shape. no more than half a twist or the centripetal force will destroy the bullet. before firing inject a little water behind the bullet to act as wadding to seal the gasses
For the next version using generative design may be interessting and see if you maybe could even add that to the main component it self to make it more compact/efficient in producing ice bullets. A feature would be sick were you could change the calliber it self but also have a sort of amo display. For example if you want bigger callibers it will use more water and based on this it can calculate the amount of shots left. So if you use smaller callibers you can of cause shoot more. I wonder if you could make the water pump section more compact using the concepts of microfluidics.
man, you are so great that you ansvered the comments! impressive.
Thanks! I love engaging with everyone who takes the time to comment-it’s all part of what makes these projects so much fun. Do you have any ideas or suggestions for future builds?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations electric jet engine on the scooter?
the basic idea is that we have an electric turbine that acts as a compressor, and than a nozzle.
You could use the TECs as heaters - just reverse the polarity
i know you said you pulled the compressor from a robot, but what was it's original use / location? This project checkcs off several boxes for me of things I've been toying with for a while. this is just fantastic. I knew this subscription would pay off!
The pump/compressor came out one of those standard mini portable air compressors you can buy on amazon
I'm in games programming, so my thinking may not translate to mechanical engineering all that great, but here goes.
An idea for a possible v2: Split the factory and the barrel and have the factory make ice for a magazine that can store them. If you produce one ice block every 10 minutes, you could walk around with it for 30 minutes and have three shots ready to go. That basically sounds like a pretty cool mechanic for a game even.
I'm also guessing that you could form the ice to shapes that travel better through the air than just cylinders. Give them a spike in front and a sort of tail in the back and they probably both travel straighter and penetrate better on hit.
This would probably increase the complexity of the project quite significantly though.
In India where I am from there is a festival called Holi which is adored by children all over the world and they buy 'pichkaris', which are water guns and water balloons along with powdered colours and play with those. Anyways every time I see a water gun or balloons I am reminded of that. Great build and video.
Thanks!🙌 and i've seen the festivals with the coloured powders but it's the first time i hear about Holi! So you can see that you can learn something new every day🤓
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Truly, if used porperly, we realise why the internet was praised so much for its educational capacity. If you can ignore the nonsense then it is the greatest most accessible source of information. Unfortunately we are all human and can get distracted but it is nice to see that educational videos like yours are entertaining.
Well said! The internet really does have an incredible capacity to educate and connect people from all over the world. I’m glad to hear you find these videos both entertaining and informative-that’s exactly the goal! Are there any other topics you’d like to see covered in future projects?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I think using frequently taught physics concepts that are found to be boring to solve a real problem or just to make a fun project would be amazing. It would explain the real world meaning of the principles and laws that are studied. Maybe thermodynamics or bouyancy related projects?
Not sure how feasible it'd be, but I'd love to see your take on lightweight prosthetics (specifically a hand or foot), nice job with this project
@octoling8606 That sounds like a challenging but super interesting idea! Would your priority be functionality or aesthetics in such a design?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Given the current lack of them, I'd personally prioritise function, though if it's small enough there are plenty of neat designs from video games that could definitely be used to spruce it up a bit (MGSV, DMC5, HD2)
would make more sense to use a barrel chambering mechanism that's separate from the magazine chamber, in this way only the barrel chamber needs to be cooled and you don't have to worry about the magazine chamber clutching from ice.
You already use cyclic pieces in the mag chamber, just eject the water from the cyclic piece closest to the barrel to create a natural thermal wall of air.
Would allow for chambering shots to be ONLY limited to how quickly the water can be cooled to ice, rather than cooled + re-heated.
Firearms are very well developed, there's no need to try and re-invent the wheel just because you're using a different material, just have to go about it differently.
Damn cool video though!
We making it on the watchlist(s) with this one 💪❄️🥶
@Joutube_is_trash Haha, if we’re on a watchlist, at least it’s for innovation! What’s the next wild idea you think we should try?
Is there a reason you added two extra heating elements to melt the outer ice surface, instead of just reusing the existing peltier elements in reverse polarity (to heat rather than cool the block-side)? Would be more efficient with respect to space and energy.
That's what I was thinking
You're not the first one pointing that out! I didn't know that that was possible but will definitely give it a try today!
Improvement idea: Maybe having those valves being shaped in a certain way would allow to have a better bullet. Wether you shape it for speed, terminal ballistics or whatever. People called it an ice rifle, and i had seen some subsonic bullets (300 blackout? i dont really remember, but the video i seen it at was from one of those most famous gun youtubers and he was testing a bunch of subsonic projectiles, including ballistic gel) That had a LOT of spin, and defnitelly dumped all of that energy on the target. Maybe this thing could do something similar since i don't think ice would like to go supersonic.
And yeah, i know the whole thing is just dumb fun but thats how my head works and i guess so do yours. lol
That’s an interesting idea-shaping the valves and the projectile for specific ballistics could definitely add a new level to this build! Going subsonic with added spin might help maximize the impact without pushing the ice beyond its structural limits. And yeah, it's all about having fun with these crazy concepts! Any other ideas you’d throw into the mix?
Awesome project! Great execution. I may try something similar myself. Thanks for the inspiration!
I'm curious to see if adding rifling to the barrel will boost it further
waterpistool,,, je hebt de eerste icebullet gemaakt, geniaal. beetje benieuwd waarom de polariteit wisselen niet werkte om het ijs op te warmen.
Bedankt! Het was zeker een uitdaging om de eerste “ice bullet” te maken. 😄 De polariteit wisselen voor verwarming was een goed idee, maar het bleek minder effectief dan verwacht. Misschien heeft het te maken met hoe snel de warmte verdeeld wordt. Heb jij ervaring met deze techniek?
Sequel Video: "The ATF confiscated my water gun :("
I'm curious to see how only partially freezing the projectile might affect performance. If the ice freezes in such a way that the inside is still water, it might be able to shatter on impact, allowing it to function similarly to a paintball
Interesting thought! Partially freezing the water to get that shattering effect could create some awesome visuals on impact-like an ice “paintball” effect. Might be tricky to get the timing right, but it’d be worth testing! Do you think it’d work better for distance or closer-range shots?
@ I’m not much of a paint baller myself so I’m really not sure! My guess is that it would be more reliable at short ranges but have more room for error at longer ranges I suppose
Good point! At closer range, it would probably be easier to get that shattering effect consistently. For longer distances, it might need more fine-tuning to keep the integrity of the ice. Makes me wonder if there’s a sweet spot for range and impact. Would be fun to test!
honestly if you ask me, that's an ice gun, not a water gun. as far as i'm concerned the water in a water gun has to be liquid when it's leaving the barrel in order to call it a water gun. if it's solid when leaving the barrel, that's an ice gun.
@Pravculear You make a fair point-this might need its own category entirely! What would you officially call a device like this?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Ice gun.
Just add another heating element to the trigger interface
Add one safety catch to the heating interface
Second add another barrel filled with super cold nitrogen.
The ice when solidified to become pellets
The push of the safety will melt the ice on the outer layer of pellet whilst pushing the pellet into the shooting chamber.
Another safety catch will fill and in reverse push the super cooled nitrogen / oxygen / helium - or whatever substance works for super cooling to harden to extreme levels.
The pellet inside the shooting chamber with its outer layer melted can be given a fine needle point with some precision chambering engineering.
The trigger when pulled will shoot out the super cooled pellet to even go through glass wood or other materials as well.
A perfect water gun.
I love the machined aluminum parts, really cool!
If you reverse the polarity of the cooler it will heat it and you can loose the heaters although it will be slower. But may cool the next shot quicker from starting from a precooled heatsink.
So the small pump holes serve also as pressure escape as the ice freezes? Sketchy but brilliant. I'm most astonished that you didn't seem to need an extremely fast pressure relief system.
It’s definitely a bit of a risky design choice, but it seemed to work out well in this build! And i used a small solenoid valve to release all the pressure at once. Do you think there are other ways to improve this pressure management?
If you add a light emitting barrel adapter similarly used for airsoft tracers, it will almost look like a blaster at night.
Ice rifle but technically a water gun too. It is like how a rifle is a gun and a pistol is a gun since they use bullets. It uses water as it's source of projectile, so it is a water gun.
WoW thats ACE dude 🙂
This is a good idea. It was a GREAT idea when I first read about it in a ssci-fi short story written back in the 1950s' Great execution though.
Appreciate the shoutout to classic sci-fi! It's amazing how some ideas from the 1950s still inspire and find their way into real-world projects today. Do you remember the name of the story? It'd be cool to see how closely it matches this build!
good that you had a peukie for the nerves when that O-ring popped out!
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Maybe I missed it, but you really need to add thermal grease on both sides of the thermoelectric generators.
I actually used double-sided thermal tape for attaching the thermoelectric generators. It's a handy alternative to thermal grease. Do you think there's a significant difference in efficiency between the two?
I like the idea of the gun freezing the water to make it's own bullets.
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It’s definitely a fun concept! Having a gun that creates its own ammo adds a cool self-sufficient twist. Do you think this idea has more practical or creative potential?
I think you could simplify the design a lot by removing the heating elements, and reversing the polarity of the peltier plates whenever you want to heat the ice. In addition to the simplicity, it would be more energy efficient, and might be faster.
Either way, it looks like it was a very cool project, and well-designed!
It’s a pellet gun, because it could take out an eye. Also it would be interesting to see a version that would wrap around the forearm and fire from the posterior of the wrist.
Turning it into a forearm-mounted version would be pretty epic, almost like something straight out of a sci-fi movie! I’ll have to keep that concept in mind for future projects. Any other futuristic modifications you think would be fun to add?
That's just pure genius
Thank you so much! Glad you think so! Are there any other crazy ideas or projects you’d like to see come to life? 😊