The last part involving Jinx might just be a nod to his sense of smell. He implies that he knew she was there despite not having memory of her actually being there. It doesn't really perfectly work with the series but I believe its the idea they were going for.
@@MokiNS1 i mean technically this isn't a "spoiler" because it hasn't happened yet and is speculation. This is also for league players mostly and it's hinted at so much in the show it's almost like they really desperately want the viewer to know so its also hard to call it one in that respect. If you don't play league you might not even know who Warwick is so what does it matter.
There is a video by Necrit where he discover every little detail in Arcane , and in Act 3 , the part after Jinx launch the rocket there was a scene where Singed is at the lab while you can see a little bit of claw right on the corner , and i think that must be vander
Season 2 teaser has warwick howls so yes, it's practically official: Vander IS Warwick. we will see him for sure, Singed and Viktor transformation and Ekko completing his Z-drive with the help of heimerdinger.
I thought it was very interesting as well when I noticed, but the song that plays during that scene has a lyric "..didn't matter what invention you made me..". I'm very much anticipating what's to come in the next season.
I never played league of legend. Do you recommend it to a new player who knows nothing? I'm getting a gaming laptop soon and I wonder if I should play it or not
@@aakrami8615 that’s….. a rough question. Everyone and their mothers will say “no”due to its notorious toxicity, but at the same time there’s a reason it has a massive playerbase. I say it’s free, it’s fun with friends, just whatever you do don’t play ranked games to avoid the bulk of the toxicity
The "Let me forget" line comes into the only thing Warwick in the lore can remember. He remembers a girl screaming. Screaming what sounded like a name. And his lore states he wants to forget that girl as that's all he remembers. When Vander dies and Vi abandons Powder by his body, Powder sits there screaming Vi's name at her. "Violet!"
@@syriansayf There are other things as well, such as the scar Warwick has above his eye. Again in the scene where Vander dies, you can see a cut above his left (?) eye, where the scar on WW is.
@@samantharoberts2053 I see that, I assumed he accidentally scratched his own face soon after transformation because he wasn't aware yet. Again, very sharp insight!
I’m curious. Vi and Jinx were added to the game over a decade ago. Did Warwick have these lines all along or did they add them after Arcane? Like, I saw another one where Ekko called Jinx Powder. Was that always there or did they add it after Arcane? 🤔
"Warwick struggled to recall a single memory from his past... All he could see was blood. But then he heard a little girl screaming. Screaming something he couldn’t understand. It sounded like a name." Powder, screaming Vi's name after she's left alone and heartbroken in the alley where Vander "dies".
@@direkomedy I mean, there was a lot a of hints! And look at all the people saying "Vander is Warwick". I think it's pretty much confirmed. Also, remember Warwick changed his name in the lore and we don't know his other name
ok cool, I was a little skeptical that Vander would be Warwick since his release was so long ago but if arcane was being written at the same time Vander is definitely ww
@@danielkang1560 yeah arcane is a project of 7 year man! That's why people are a little bit worried about the other riot series! They wont have the same amount of time
@@LuisHSK They have said the initial start was mostly gathering animators and people that can actually produce a show of this caliber. So since they have the groundwork, they can hit the ground running and make much more stuff. They even said they would aim for the big screen in the future, so maybe they'll even have more teams working on different projects.
In the season finale when Vi said “remember Vander!” and Powder visualized him if you pause it at the right moment where her memory of him gets distorted you can see the purple outline looking very close to Warwick. They are definitely heavily imply in the most subtle ways that Vander becomes Warwick
Am I the only person genuinely shocked by that Powder “rescue”?! At first I was like, “Oh hell yeah! She can finally do something right!” but as it unfolded I was just staring in absolute horror. Such amazing storytelling and so fucking sad.
If Arcane ends with a bleeding Silco escaping into the alleys of Zaun, only to hear the familiar howl and 'Warwick is hunting you' sound effect, I will be immeasurably happy.
@@mickaelht598 Jhin is a theater boy who grew up to become a mass murder. He is obsessed with art and the number 4. I highly highly HIGHLY doubt silco is Jhin. It doesn’t help that Jhin later on comes to Zaun and starts killing people there too. That doesn’t sound like silco at all.
In WW's bio, he remembers only blood and little girl's scream, it's a moment when Jinx cries and calls Vi. And when he was dying, he only saw Vi's face covered by blood
I don't believe he heard Powder screaming before the explosion, because he was in the room with the boys, and after the explosion, Powder fell down, on the ground, she could not even see anything happening inside. However, there is a moment when Powder was screaming and calling for Vi when she left, and that was happening right near Vander's body outside. Which means he was not completely dead and that would explain how he would survive to become Warwick.
@@AlexanderSir maybe his body was later retrieved by Signed who then experimented on him, Vander's body was tough because of the purple chem, it allows signed to continue doing his experiment until he finishes it until Vander dies and is thrown into trash
@@k4dow in wws lor stands he rembers a bearded man a bloody knife and scars on his arm and a littel kid screaming. Vander has a beard. Silco cut him with a knif on the arm Vi screamed when he died
The icing on the cake. The first paragraph of WW bio "Warwick is a monster who hunts the gray alleys of Zaun. Transformed by agonizing experiments, his body is fused with an intricate system of chambers and pumps, machinery filling his veins with alchemical rage. Bursting out of the shadows, he preys upon those criminals who terrorize the city’s depths." "Though many think of Warwick as no more than a beast, buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life. But no matter how hard he tried to move on, he could never escape the sins of his past." Singed made WW from Vander for sure
So ww kills criminals? He doesnt just kill everyone he sees? That means ww has much more control of his body than i thought, than maxbe again, singed could be the one controlling his actions
@@ok4350 after he died by the hand of Singed he was dumped to rot. Only after his death the pumps began again and transformed him in what we see now. So I doubt that anyone controls him anymore.
Warwick's taunts to Singed are "I remember what you did!" and "Zaun gave me claws long before you did." meaning he's the one who saved him To Jinx "You were there... " and "Let me forget... ", her voice being the only memory he still has. To Vi "The fear in your eyes. I've seen it before." (the fear he saw in her eyes when he "died" , "Zaun needed you!" (when she left for Piltover) and the most important one, the taunt that is ironically a joke to himself, "Who taught you how to punch?". Pretty damn badass!!!!
"saved him" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 Singed put Vander through the worst, most inhumane and agonizing form of torture you could think of just to turn him into a complete monster filled with unending rage and bloodlust, troubled by crippling amnesia and only being able to remember scattered fragments of his past on occasion, just for the sake of research and experimentation. But yeah you're right besides that lol.
My head cannon is that “Zaun needed you” referred to the resistance the people tried to put against Silco while Vi was in prison, they needed her as a substitute for vander. Ekko needed her, the people needed her.
This is by far the most interesting points I've ever written on this. Still doesn't mean he is 100% WW, but pretty damn close. Now the real question is, how did Singed get ahold of him and why...
The wolf growls when he was dosed up with shimmer is the strongest evidence to me. I think Vander being hinted as Warwick as an end scene for this first Arcane story would be a great cliffhanger.
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
The last line just confirmes it my dudes “I ran these streets, now it's your time to run“ Basically a foreshadow to Vander being a leader of undercity and Last Drop.
@@tslex6477Naw. Warwick was already strung up on the ceiling of Singe's lab by the end of episode 9, and Silco was only JUST killed by Jinx (it was shown as she was firing the rocket, I belive). So it's not possible for it to be Silco.
"The fear in your eyes, I've seen it before" This line actually refers to the clip at 2:21. Since WW's memories are all from his final moments as Vander under the effects of shimmer. So he is unknowingly recalling the moment where Vi was afraid of what she saw he had become after taking shimmer. All of WW's lines are usually something he says as he is hunting someone or going to kill them. This line in particular is almost like he is stopping himself from killing someone in the moment because he recalls a fragmented/incomplete version of a memory.
Honestly I thought it was some random thug that was experimented on and turned to ww. Now I want ww to regain all his memories :( Gotta feel bad for vander man
@@shrungdn7379 yeah I think it has to be Vander. Riot's done a pretty decent job of setting, then meeting expectations with the show. Too many pieces point to Vander being WW. Just the fact that WW's theme music plays 1 time in the entirety of the show, and it happens to be when Vander is in frame, and you hear Silco saying something like "I'll show you what you really are", is enough evidence for me. Idk if you watched Hunter x Hunter, but the whole situation kind of gives me Kite vibes. Sad situation for sure brother man ):
@@josephsalem761 nope haven't watched HxH. If you don't mind, when exactly does ww's theme play? I think I missed a part or two while searching. Let's just hope that he gets a happy ending and they modify ww's lore a bit.
@@shrungdn7379 I think the dark and sad lore of WW is what makes his character so appealing. I actually like the direction it seems to be going. I am pretty sure they will give us some reunion where WW will either save vi, then disappear into the darkness of the night, or be face to face with her and make the choice not to kill Vi. Something long those lines seems plausible. Needless to say I am waiting for season 2 as patiently as a heroin junky waits for his next fix 😂😂
Warwick's title is the, Uncaged Wrath of Zaun. The lanes wanted Vander to unleash his wrath upon their enemies, but he didn't. Knowing that it would lead to more violence. If Warwick is Vander, then it's going to he such poetic justice. A reference to the old saying, be careful what you wish for. Now, Warwick terrorizes Zaun because his wrath is now uncaged.
also when warwick says "I ran these streets" it could be referring to how Vander was the one everyone looked up to in the undercity and essentially "ran the streets" by being their leader
Ww says "i ran these streets" which implies the past so its 100% vander. And i fckin knew it since i saw him... he gave me ww vibes with his wolverine hairstyle and aura
@@denismorosanu855 Fr. Episode 1 I asked my fiance if he got Warwick vibes from Vander, because I definitely did. By episode 3, just, if Vander isn't Warwick Riot has failed us.
@@amberwilloughby2720 the moment I saw him with the gloves/knuckledusters in the trailer I knew Vander was WW. Big tough man, but with an air of nobility to him. Moved assertively. Fought using knuckledusters which are the closest thing we saw to mechanized claws. It just made sense to me
Wrong cause he says you abandoned zaun when Vander couldn't know that he died before knowing anything about vi leaving jinx. And when Warwick is made he doesn't remeber anything that happened while he was being tortured by singed u think singed gave him a tv saying vis missing on it n zuan the only one with that info is silco. So silco could be ww
@@phantome12345 I see your point but we first memory from his time of a human is a girl crying and screaming a name and blood Silco had not blood on him, you also can forget the strength that ww has yes Signed could make Silco have that but I don’t think Silco would make Signed very interested in him as a test subject. Another hint that Vander could be ww is that you can hear a little bit of ww theme it’s his blood hunt it very small but you can hear it. However I like you idea it can be both.
Don't know much about Warwick, but everything points to Vander being him in my eyes. The growling, the "Hound of the Underground", even his design looks very wolf-like to me. Resembling a lot of other characters in fiction that have something to do with wolves (it's the beard and the hair. It's always the beard and the hair). These choices aren't made for no reason. He's either Warwick or people had a damn good reason to think he is. I do hope he is. I miss Vander.
He is 1000%, 1000000% Warwick and it's not even a theory anymore. There's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more to it than this video shows. Anyone who says otherwise is blatantly being willfully ignorant trust me.
Act 3 Spoilers: When Ww says ‘you were there’ & ‘let me forget’ it most likely is referencing when Jinx was being experimented on, being how torturous the experimentation was for ww. Also, episode 9. When Jinx was hallucinating with Mylo, Clagore, & Vander. She saw Vander as a wolf, this was after her experimentation in singed’s lab where she possibly saw ww while on the chair being experimented on.
@@Hey-dn6kgit starts at 31:50 on episode 9. Whereas Mylo and Clagores ‘Demons’ seem to mimic their human counterparts, Vander has more wolf like features.
@@Intoxicatedmeta mundo was a Jolly man who screwed up with a chem baron. chem barons don't exist yet in that particular time period, after hextech makes a launch, hextech is used for chemtech to make its debut. with chemtech comes the barons.
you can see singed doing an experimentation on someone who is hanging that looks like a wolfman (high chance that it’s vander) in the ending of episode 9 of arcane, warwick on season 2 I bet 😳
I think "The fear in your eyes, Ive seen it before" is talking about 2:22 Vander comes to save Vi to find her absolutley horrified of him, which was the first step to his warwick arc.
1:36 I think he means when he was lying on the ground at the end and jinx was crying and screaming Vi's name, since in Warwicks bio that the last thing he remembers is a little girl screaming out a name.
@@joshshaye1085 he never actually died. The serum is incomplete and he fell down in a box of serums it's either some serum entered his body through wounds and if he only drank 1.
@@Tarek-ys5rr although singed got caught up in the explosion with the fumes and flames of the serum, we know now how he become the singed the we knew. Maybe he first augmented his body then Vander's i guess.
Just read warwick's lore and it totally makes sense Though many think of Warwick as no more than a beast, buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life. But no matter how hard he tried to move on, he could never escape the sins of his past. Memories of that time come to Warwick in flashes before they’re inevitably lost, replaced by searing echoes of the days he spent strapped to a table in Singed’s lab, the mad chemist’s face looming above him. His world a haze of pain, Warwick could not recall how he fell into Singed’s grasp… and even struggled to remember a time before the suffering began. The scientist patiently carved into him, installing pumps and hoses to inject chemicals into his veins, seeking what an alchemist always seeks: transmutation. Singed would reveal his subject’s true nature-the deadly beast hidden within a “good man.”
@@JA-nv4zb Singed is the scientist from silcos gang. The one bald dude that created the purple drug. Also Singed was the dude that gave the rat the purple drink. Btw the rat is going to be Twitch it seems.
@@wass77 yup thats singed you can see it in the cast as well as in the subtitles. Also in the end you see him get lit up in flames so he'll prob wear a mask and the lab rat might be twitch.
Also, remember that Silco said "I will show you who you really are" to Vander, and WW's lore says that he is one of Singed's experiments meant to bring about the beast that lies within a good man.
another one, a better audioclip to identify just how similiar his voice is to warwick right after the one you showed when he screams silcos name, and when he went for vi those snarles are identical
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
It is also very suspicious that reworked Warwick's VA is still unknown. I know there still are VAs in League that are not known but hearing Vander's screams compared to Warwick is very similar if Warwick is voiced by JB Blanc who we know also voiced other champions.
Read Warwick’s lore. It says “buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life.” Sounds like Vander to me.
1:36 Regarding this line, it’s possible that after Jinx was revived she witnessed the unconscious Vander who was in the process of becoming Warwick, even before as it seems like she knows Singed, referring to him as “the doctor” during Progress Day. Another hint to this theory is that during the scene where she pulls out the flare, we see Mylo and Claggor’s corpses but never Vander’s corpse at all so it’s possible that she knows that he’s still alive. Hell, he’s even depicted as a wolf in her hallucinations during the tea party.
One thing people seem to miss is the quote "I became the monster I always was" from Warwick. Vander tried to drown Silco and has all this wrath is trapped inside him just waiting to be unbound. He was still trying to forget what he did, likely considering himself a monster in act 1 like he calls himself later as Warwick.
I read a lore, before Warwick became warwick the last thing he remembers was blood and a voice of a screaming girl. In episode 3, when Vi left Powder beside dead Vander, Powder screamed until Silco and friends approached her.
the fear in her eyes are actually multiple instances remember hebasically raised her when he picked them up on the bridge when vi looked at him as he was dying there in that scene during the time vi was scared shitless between because she didnt know what she was supposed to do the moment vi tried to sell herself out and he came to get her im pretty sure he has seen her so much that he just knows the face she makes, even if he forgets everything else
@@hrothroyal2295 the more i think about it and the more ppltalk about it the more things come together that kinda scream he is warwick IF he turns out to be thats fking amazing
"You were there..." probably refers to either Powder collapsing at his body after the bomb, or Jinx being in Singed's lab when she got her shimmer infusion. Reminder that we see Warwick's body already there at the end of season one.
when vander got up from the explosion to fight silco he saw the monkeybomb head on the floor so i think he knows it was powder who blew it up it even had the jinx style graffiti on it
The things we know about warwick: He was a retired gangster , that eventually ran the streets under a new name , had kids, no mention of a wife or a woman in his life tho so the gits are adopted , he was a kind and good men with "a beast inside" that Silco literally told him and his last memory before everything turning black is a small girl screaming out a name while crying (Little Jinx screaming Vi after she leaves her). If he doesn't become Warwick by the third batch of episodes Im going to be really upset cause the characteristics is exactly the same and it would be a gigantic missed opurtunity.
actually the screaming a name part was smt like "she was screaming something, it seems like her name" so I think it would have been Powder screaming about how Vi told her she was a "jinx", therefore the "Jinx" nickname
@Nina Tote you likely won't see Swain in the show. It's a quote from the game in a specific interaction with Warwick (the character that Vander will most likely become).
"Blood is always so hard to scrub out of iron" Vander, commenting about his iron gauntlets. I'd like to assume this is also a small reference of sorts to ww's claws and the blood he uses to track people after slashing them, or they when they get cut
@@bdgandalfow2776 bro u must've missed it then, literally the conversation he was having with the piltover guard who had the body shape of a string bean when they were looking for the kids in the basement, and he talks about not wanting to bring back out the gauntlets which he points out are hanging on the ceiling because, and I quote "bloodstains are hard to get out of iron"
Vander was the "hound of the underground," basically the head honcho of Zaun. The biggest thing that makes me feel as though Vander is Warwick is the 1 line Warwick says; "I ran these streets -..." Other quotes: "I became the monster I always was," Vander considered himself to be a "bad" person during the civil war days, so he wanted to change himself, to keep Zaun safer. Speaking of changing himself, "- a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life." - Warwick's Bio/Wiki. Sounds a lot like what Vander wanted to do, move on from the past sins he made (with Silco) and start a new life with a small family. Raise them to be better. "all he could see was blood. But then he heard a little girl screaming. Screaming something he couldn't understand. It sounded like a name." More bio/wiki information on Warwick. This could definitely imply the insane amount of blood spilled by all the kids and gangsters that surrounded him, as for the scream, that can 100% be referring to Jinx/Powder calling out to Vi/Violet. Love how Riot took a lot of small attention/details towards this series. Even if you never played league or even heard of it, it can definitely be enjoyable to the fullest.
Swain actually told warwick jinx was there Swain:She's closer then you realised Swain collect soul fragment jinx: Faces fading in the flames... It was her fault Fiddlesticks:ALL YOUR FAULT
I'm convinced that while we may not see Swain at all in Arcane, every raven that shows up and has the camera deliberately focus on it wven for a couple of seconds, is one of Swain's spies. Even the one Jinx shoots.
@@jackthompson7546 no, silco as far as we know has no magic or the like so he'd have no way of controlling crows. It's either symbolic or one of Swain's spies.
Out of all of the act 1 characters vander is easily my favorite. Dude starts a revolution, takes in kids orphaned from said revolution while making peace deals with enforcers, protect and raise said kids till your last breath, be overall kickass. The way he joyously fills a cup for powder, and he doesnt just leave it at that. No no, he puts a lil bendy straw in there for her with a smile. Then , he immediately remembers a stuffed rabbit vi had who knows how many years ago and the significance it holds. I loved every little expression he made in episode three, the raw emotion they managed to animate onto him when Vi goes to fight was heartbreaking. he is the dad we all deserve.
feelsbad i really wanted vander to be a character for the entire show what an absolute sigma gigaChad beautiful man and character he was. Not to mention the absolute perfect voice acting. whoever his VA is god damn you have such a perfect voice and perfect delivery/talent/skill for these types of characters.
I think the "You were there" will refer to fture events where Silco and Singed will experiment on him while Jinx is there because Silco took her in his gang for now.
That's actually make sense! Because, the way he say it, sounds like he is really mad at her, but he feels the connection between her to the fact that he raised Jinx but cannot fully remember it. It's sounds like he is angry and disappointed at the same time. In addition, he will not be mad if he is just talking about the fact that the explosions was caused by jinx because he will surely understand, that Jinx is just trying to help that night.
@@bulbulitobayagbagan9633 I don't know if he sounded moreangry than he sounds on every other line. He sounds angry even when talking to Vi, so thats probably just the way his voice is.
@@nooneatall5612 Of course he is angry, he feels so much pain that's what his lore is. What I meant was that he remember Jinx watching him suffer (to the fact that silco "adopted" her) while not doing anything, so he feel angry in a sense of he feels betrayed because he does not fully remember her who she was.
I think it's about the explosion since Powder was never directly seen by Vander, but he knows her well enough to realize she had to be the one to cause it
Another one of those "in the last episode" comment but this one is not the one in Singed's lab. In the part where Vi, Cait, and Silco was captured by Jinx when Vi was calling out to her, telling her to remember her family. Jinx was seeing Mylo, Claggor, and Vander but in stick line drawings. Mylo and Claggor both retain their features in stick drawings but when it comes to Vander, it's a furry hulking creature with ears. Hmmmm. If you play it frame by frame, like in RUclips, you'll see it.
My partner and I don't play League, but i did notice that. I'm here because i didn't want that to be the end of Vander, so I'm glad it's heavily hinted at that he's a character for LOL players.
@@ALu-nq8rf In short terms, Warwick is a permanent werewolf, but he can't remember his past or who he was, he's now like those beasts who drank shimmer, but well... like a werewolf hahaha
@@ALu-nq8rf its more of a fun fact than actual Vander living on, only if they really changed the characther. Warwick is totally separate from his previous life, even more so than other mutated/transformed characters - like viktor, for example
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
In lore, singed turns a human being into a werewolf so im guessing thats probably Vander also he performs cruel experiments on warwick attaches tubes of chemicals on his back and replaces his arm with a mechanical arm, all in while warwick was alive and he would pass out again and again from the pain
Not to mention during the last fight for vander, they showed him using iron knuckles as his weapon which is the closest and most believable weapon that is similar to warwicks claws
This is so good! But I think the time he saw fear in her eyes is when she first saw him juiced up on the purple stuff, looking like a monster. He freaked out when he saw her face and started howling in episode 3.
And not to mention about Singed's story of when he created Warwick. His art cover had the shadowed specimen hanging in chains and it looked very similar to Vander in his mutated form.
7 Reasons why Vander might be Warwick SPOILERS obiv 1. In game Warwicks special interaction with Jinx is 'You were there...' 'Let me forget'. Although it is stated Warwick doesn't remember the life before singed took him in the ending in ep 3 could be the last traumatic experience he remembers although not seeing jinx he might have later found out she was in fact there, therefore confronts her about it. 2. When vander 'died' he had close resemblance to warwicks figure after ingesting the purple stuff 3. Vander picks up the other purple guy in a similar fashion to how Warwick picked up the chem baron after he was killed in his own cinematic 4. If it is revealed that Warwick is Vander rito would have made the line 'Who taught you how to punch?' To VI ironic - remember Warwick doesn't remember much of his past life. 5. Warwick says 'I ran these streets, (now its your turn to run)' . So did Vander, coincidence? 6. If you turned on subs you could see singed was one of the characters who 'died' in the ep 3 blast before officially revealing it was singed and a good 60% of singed lore is Warwick whom coincidentally dies in the same place as vander 7. Warwicks lore describes a zaunite gangster that tried to retire from this life but no matter how hard he tried his past caught up to him this closely matches Vanders description of his past life. Before adopting jinx and vi Vander used to hustle and stopped after the bridge incident in the beginning. His past life caught up to him when silco reentered his life his partner in crime. I wrote this up in my spare time but this guy does prove a lot of these in this video. edit: Split it up to make it more readable
i mean riot created the story they can easily match arcane to their character lore. and thats why i firmly beleive vander is warwick. they knew when they made the rework they wanted warwick to be something with zauns cahracters. and now they gave it a front with arcane
From Warwicks bio too, which gives even more evidence: "He saw a bearded man reflected in the eyes of a beggar as he tore out his throat. The other man looked somber, somehow familiar; there were scars on his arms." The scars on the arms are maybe the scars he got from Silco, and Vander is bearded in Arcane.
There is also another hint ! When vander is uncoacious after he falls out of the window, you can still hear his heart beating and it sounds like warwick's sound !
My name irl is Vanden, really close to Vander, and ever since I started playing league, Riot has spammed the living shit out of me with Warwick skins. Not to mention I rerolled my 3 ARCANE CAPSULE skins and got Lunar Guardian Warwick the day Arcane dropped. So many parallels it’s insane.
I can’t remember which episode, but you see a wolf like figure hanging up in the doctor’s chambers. Dude looks up at it and we see it from the side at an angle with us looking down at the doctor. I’ve never had anything to do with LoL before so I have no previous insight, but I figured something like what you propose might be the case.
For the fear in Vi's eyes - I think he actually means the expression she's making at 2:22. He throws down the body, then makes eye contact with her and recoils, knowing he looks like a monster. She's afraid of HIM.
I think the "The fear in your eyes, I've seen it before" voiceline of Warwick actually referts to when Vander was forced to use shimmer and beat up that thug on the doorframe, realizing what he is doing and turning away from Vi
"the fear in your eyes, ive seen it before" is referring to 2:22. he does not see her face at all in the clip you had shown for the quote, meanwhile she is staring directly at *him* with absolute terror, to the point it makes him have a mini breakdown, turning away from him and hiding his face.
there's more in those interactions among Swain, Jinx and Warwick "She was closer than he realize...." - Swain to Warwick "Faces...fading in the flame...it was all her fault" - Swain to Jinx
Fun fact in the show you see ravens being around pretty often. It wouldn't surprise me if they were Swains, who look over everything happening in runterra
@@TheBloodytaste Swain uses ravens to gather intelligence for him. it's also stated in his lore that he's even on par with Aurelion Sol on the amount of intel they have in Runeterra. the only thing he doesn't understand / fears is what happened before Raum (his Demon) existed.
@@nia8593 Noxus has a lot of trade deals with piltover as far as I heard from the show as well. So it shouldn't be surprising for Swain to spy on them especially after they aquired hextech making them a possible danger for their future conquest plans.
as forthe : you where there she was there when he died and warwick remembers a girl screaming a name which was jinx screaming Vis name he was right next to them chances are he kinda knew that much that or jinx was there when he was experimented on since singed is with silco though we cant know that yet
It's actually hinted waaaay too strongly for them not to confirm it later. It's something for fans to think and argue about and something shocking and dramatic for Arcane only fans, when we finally see it. The build up so far and the dramatic payoff of Vander ending up as Warwick is too good for it not to happen.
The way I see it there's 4 outcomes, only 3 of which I like 1. Warwick gets revealed right at the end of Arcane, probably a post-credits scene, hinting at a future season 2. Warwick doesn't get *directly* revealed, maybe just some claw marks or snarling, but again, to hint at a future season. 3. Less fun option but he could just straight up not appear or be hinted at further at all, and simply just appear in a future season. 4. This is the outcome I dont like, but Warwick could appear and play a part in Act 3. Yes, it would probably be cool to see, but these kind of things are best served as teasers to build hype. Just throwing him in right away would be dull, but I don't think the writers are so incompetent as to waste sequel potential like that.
@@lj_aderyn I think WW being in Act 3 would've been a possibility if they didn't already tease that (spoilers) big chemtech machine thing that Vi is fighting. As in, WW would have to serve similarly to how Deckard did in Act 1, a monster, but since they already have one, it seems like your other 3 options are more likely. Tossing in two of the "experimental monster" bad guys would be really unorthodox. There's also the possibility we get no confirmation and we're simply left to theorize, though I figure Riot would have to say something about it eventually due to fan pressure.
Just two of many potential plot points: 1. Warwick comes to life at the end of season 2 as a cliffhanger. 2. Vi and Jinx are forced to face Warwick after realizing he used to be Vander, renewing their bond and leading to the storyline we see in that “Legends of Runeterra” or whatever card game where they’re on friendly terms with each other.
I think "The fear in your eyes" quote comes from when Zander took the serum and saved Vi from the other infected dude. When he looked down at her, she was clearly terrified, hence why he kinda lost his mind and stumbled back a bit.
"you were there" I think he heard vi confronting powder for what she did in blowing them up and also probably heard powder screaming vi's name. Or maybe in the future he might've seen her while he's being transformed by singed.
I think when WW says "Let me forget" to Jinx, he means Singed's lab. If I recall right they gave us a short glimpse of WW for a very short time while Jinx was being transformed. So WW says "You were there" as in Singeds lab, and he says "Let me forget" as in let me forget how they transformed you and changed you.
Here's the link to the Follow up because i'm a Dumbass! : ruclips.net/video/5yZmeTv0K4w/видео.html
The last part involving Jinx might just be a nod to his sense of smell. He implies that he knew she was there despite not having memory of her actually being there. It doesn't really perfectly work with the series but I believe its the idea they were going for.
sounds like mundo
@@mjaddix3278 Mundo was a bodyguard from some chem-baron before he turned into Mundo based from his voicelines and lore so no
WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE DISCLAIMER AT THE BEGINNING IF YOU HAVE A SPOILER IN THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO???
@@MokiNS1 i mean technically this isn't a "spoiler" because it hasn't happened yet and is speculation. This is also for league players mostly and it's hinted at so much in the show it's almost like they really desperately want the viewer to know so its also hard to call it one in that respect. If you don't play league you might not even know who Warwick is so what does it matter.
Later in the series, Singed looks up towards the ceiling of his lab, there we see something with claws hanging that he's been working upon.
There is a video by Necrit where he discover every little detail in Arcane , and in Act 3 , the part after Jinx launch the rocket there was a scene where Singed is at the lab while you can see a little bit of claw right on the corner , and i think that must be vander
@Josh Mulvaney this video was made b4 act 3 came out
Season 2 teaser has warwick howls so yes, it's practically official: Vander IS Warwick.
we will see him for sure, Singed and Viktor transformation and Ekko completing his Z-drive with the help of heimerdinger.
@Josh Mulvaney it wasn't included because it didn't exist at the time the vid was made lol
I thought it was very interesting as well when I noticed, but the song that plays during that scene has a lyric "..didn't matter what invention you made me..". I'm very much anticipating what's to come in the next season.
I play Warwick fairly often, so I know his hunting sounds all too well, then I heard it in arcane and immediately thought
“oh SHI-“
I never played league of legend. Do you recommend it to a new player who knows nothing? I'm getting a gaming laptop soon and I wonder if I should play it or not
@@aakrami8615 that’s….. a rough question. Everyone and their mothers will say “no”due to its notorious toxicity, but at the same time there’s a reason it has a massive playerbase. I say it’s free, it’s fun with friends, just whatever you do don’t play ranked games to avoid the bulk of the toxicity
@@aakrami8615 I kinda do, just try to avoid ranked and mute chat and there you go you got a kinda fun game
@@aakrami8615 don't wear the ring frodo
You must have a good sound system because I main WW and I only heard similar music, but not exactly his hunting music. Timestamp?
The "Let me forget" line comes into the only thing Warwick in the lore can remember. He remembers a girl screaming. Screaming what sounded like a name. And his lore states he wants to forget that girl as that's all he remembers.
When Vander dies and Vi abandons Powder by his body, Powder sits there screaming Vi's name at her. "Violet!"
This is by far the biggest pointer towards Vander being Warwick. Nice catch!
@@syriansayf There are other things as well, such as the scar Warwick has above his eye. Again in the scene where Vander dies, you can see a cut above his left (?) eye, where the scar on WW is.
@@samantharoberts2053 I see that, I assumed he accidentally scratched his own face soon after transformation because he wasn't aware yet. Again, very sharp insight!
Yep they really have provided ample evidence that ties it to the existing Warwick lore.
I’m curious. Vi and Jinx were added to the game over a decade ago. Did Warwick have these lines all along or did they add them after Arcane? Like, I saw another one where Ekko called Jinx Powder. Was that always there or did they add it after Arcane? 🤔
"Warwick struggled to recall a single memory from his past... All he could see was blood. But then he heard a little girl screaming. Screaming something he couldn’t understand. It sounded like a name."
Powder, screaming Vi's name after she's left alone and heartbroken in the alley where Vander "dies".
Was about to comment this, have a like
That fact breaks my fucking heart and soul
I just commented this, then i approached this comment lol
THIS
This one is to make people see this comment.
If he doesn't end up becoming Warwick I'm gonna pull a Warwick and forget everything
Cheers to that.
Death proved to be the true catalyst for Warwick's birth and transformation.
I think Vander is Warwick, but i don't think we will see that in the show
@@redjo Vander was an important piece of their lives, but that's understandable. We should at least get confirmation rather than just implications.
@@direkomedy I mean, there was a lot a of hints! And look at all the people saying "Vander is Warwick". I think it's pretty much confirmed. Also, remember Warwick changed his name in the lore and we don't know his other name
Guys, just remember, the WarWick rework was made when Arcane was being written, so yeah Its 99% chance that vander is warwick!
ok cool, I was a little skeptical that Vander would be Warwick since his release was so long ago but if arcane was being written at the same time Vander is definitely ww
@@danielkang1560 yeah arcane is a project of 7 year man! That's why people are a little bit worried about the other riot series! They wont have the same amount of time
@@LuisHSK They have said the initial start was mostly gathering animators and people that can actually produce a show of this caliber. So since they have the groundwork, they can hit the ground running and make much more stuff. They even said they would aim for the big screen in the future, so maybe they'll even have more teams working on different projects.
@@arnarogbjorn yeah hope they'l do ok, loving arcane till now!
@@arnarogbjorn need a zed Shen and Jhin show,
In the season finale when Vi said “remember Vander!” and Powder visualized him if you pause it at the right moment where her memory of him gets distorted you can see the purple outline looking very close to Warwick. They are definitely heavily imply in the most subtle ways that Vander becomes Warwick
I also notice that while watching clips here on yt. Didn't notice it while watching the show tho.
I was litteraly wondering "who tf is that wolf"😂 thx for the explanation
You beat me by 8 days lol
can i ask for the clip link
@@Yao_shi4 spoiler alert but you can look up “Jinx Tea Party” and it’ll show up
Am I the only person genuinely shocked by that Powder “rescue”?!
At first I was like, “Oh hell yeah! She can finally do something right!” but as it unfolded I was just staring in absolute horror.
Such amazing storytelling and so fucking sad.
+1
as soon as i saw her dump all the crystals into the monkey i knew that was waaaaay too much
I kept on waiting for time to reverse… 9 episodes later and I’m still waiting 😭
Kept watching hoping it would get better. Spoiler alert...it didn't.
Knowing she was to become jinx, I knew something had to go bad
If Arcane ends with a bleeding Silco escaping into the alleys of Zaun, only to hear the familiar howl and 'Warwick is hunting you' sound effect, I will be immeasurably happy.
i want silco to escape to iona just for him to become jhin, but alas i think he is not jhin
@@mickaelht598 Jhin is a theater boy who grew up to become a mass murder. He is obsessed with art and the number 4. I highly highly HIGHLY doubt silco is Jhin. It doesn’t help that Jhin later on comes to Zaun and starts killing people there too. That doesn’t sound like silco at all.
Isn’t Silco Singed tho?
Edit: yes, I just watched episode 6 and now I know who Singed is
@Kailma maybe other interactions with Warwick can point who is Silco in the game, or maybe he is going to be a new character in the future updates
Perfect ending for us Players but not really for other people
In WW's bio, he remembers only blood and little girl's scream, it's a moment when Jinx cries and calls Vi. And when he was dying, he only saw Vi's face covered by blood
also he has flashbacks of an old blade covered in blood => silco's knife
maybe is foreshowing Macus and his daughter.
I don't believe he heard Powder screaming before the explosion, because he was in the room with the boys, and after the explosion, Powder fell down, on the ground, she could not even see anything happening inside.
However, there is a moment when Powder was screaming and calling for Vi when she left, and that was happening right near Vander's body outside. Which means he was not completely dead and that would explain how he would survive to become Warwick.
@@AlexanderSir maybe his body was later retrieved by Signed who then experimented on him, Vander's body was tough because of the purple chem, it allows signed to continue doing his experiment until he finishes it until Vander dies and is thrown into trash
@@k4dow in wws lor stands he rembers a bearded man a bloody knife and scars on his arm and a littel kid screaming.
Vander has a beard. Silco cut him with a knif on the arm
Vi screamed when he died
The icing on the cake. The first paragraph of WW bio "Warwick is a monster who hunts the gray alleys of Zaun. Transformed by agonizing experiments, his body is fused with an intricate system of chambers and pumps, machinery filling his veins with alchemical rage. Bursting out of the shadows, he preys upon those criminals who terrorize the city’s depths." "Though many think of Warwick as no more than a beast, buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life. But no matter how hard he tried to move on, he could never escape the sins of his past."
Singed made WW from Vander for sure
Me reading this :
Oh.
Oooh.
Oh noo.
Ooooooooh no.
Oh n-
Oh god.
Damn, that's not even subtle.
So ww kills criminals? He doesnt just kill everyone he sees? That means ww has much more control of his body than i thought, than maxbe again, singed could be the one controlling his actions
@@ok4350 after he died by the hand of Singed he was dumped to rot. Only after his death the pumps began again and transformed him in what we see now. So I doubt that anyone controls him anymore.
@@ok4350 he usually hunts criminals, but when he smells blood, he loses control and kills indiscriminately
Warwick's taunts to Singed are "I remember what you did!" and "Zaun gave me claws long before you did." meaning he's the one who saved him
To Jinx "You were there... " and "Let me forget... ", her voice being the only memory he still has.
To Vi "The fear in your eyes. I've seen it before." (the fear he saw in her eyes when he "died" , "Zaun needed you!" (when she left for Piltover) and the most important one, the taunt that is ironically a joke to himself, "Who taught you how to punch?". Pretty damn badass!!!!
"saved him" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Singed put Vander through the worst, most inhumane and agonizing form of torture you could think of just to turn him into a complete monster filled with unending rage and bloodlust, troubled by crippling amnesia and only being able to remember scattered fragments of his past on occasion, just for the sake of research and experimentation.
But yeah you're right besides that lol.
My head cannon is that “Zaun needed you” referred to the resistance the people tried to put against Silco while Vi was in prison, they needed her as a substitute for vander. Ekko needed her, the people needed her.
This is by far the most interesting points I've ever written on this. Still doesn't mean he is 100% WW, but pretty damn close. Now the real question is, how did Singed get ahold of him and why...
The wolf growls when he was dosed up with shimmer is the strongest evidence to me. I think Vander being hinted as Warwick as an end scene for this first Arcane story would be a great cliffhanger.
It’s the music too that’s a hint for me as he’s being dragged away
That just happened
So you wish it, so shall it be.
Can I get next weeks lottery numbers from you?
Jesus christ we got a medium there
When he fell down and was dying he no doubt saw/heard Jinx yelling Vi.
Yeah you're probably correct
That i was thought too
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed
Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
@@FlutterSwag Man, good catch bro.
@@FlutterSwag :o nice thought
The last line just confirmes it my dudes “I ran these streets, now it's your time to run“
Basically a foreshadow to Vander being a leader of undercity and Last Drop.
It's actually goes as well with silco. Is there any possibilities for silco being warwick?
@@tslex6477Naw. Warwick was already strung up on the ceiling of Singe's lab by the end of episode 9, and Silco was only JUST killed by Jinx (it was shown as she was firing the rocket, I belive). So it's not possible for it to be Silco.
@@DLxxxoh Vander REALLY is Warwick,that creature with claws seems to have his beard that IS vander
"The fear in your eyes, I've seen it before"
This line actually refers to the clip at 2:21. Since WW's memories are all from his final moments as Vander under the effects of shimmer. So he is unknowingly recalling the moment where Vi was afraid of what she saw he had become after taking shimmer. All of WW's lines are usually something he says as he is hunting someone or going to kill them. This line in particular is almost like he is stopping himself from killing someone in the moment because he recalls a fragmented/incomplete version of a memory.
Honestly I thought it was some random thug that was experimented on and turned to ww. Now I want ww to regain all his memories :( Gotta feel bad for vander man
@@shrungdn7379 yeah I think it has to be Vander. Riot's done a pretty decent job of setting, then meeting expectations with the show. Too many pieces point to Vander being WW. Just the fact that WW's theme music plays 1 time in the entirety of the show, and it happens to be when Vander is in frame, and you hear Silco saying something like "I'll show you what you really are", is enough evidence for me. Idk if you watched Hunter x Hunter, but the whole situation kind of gives me Kite vibes. Sad situation for sure brother man ):
@@josephsalem761 nope haven't watched HxH. If you don't mind, when exactly does ww's theme play? I think I missed a part or two while searching. Let's just hope that he gets a happy ending and they modify ww's lore a bit.
Ahh nvm I found it. Sent chills down my spine
@@shrungdn7379 I think the dark and sad lore of WW is what makes his character so appealing. I actually like the direction it seems to be going. I am pretty sure they will give us some reunion where WW will either save vi, then disappear into the darkness of the night, or be face to face with her and make the choice not to kill Vi. Something long those lines seems plausible. Needless to say I am waiting for season 2 as patiently as a heroin junky waits for his next fix 😂😂
Am I the only one who remembers old Warwick lore where he was basically cursed to be a werewolf by Soraka for his cruelty.
Man I feel old.
I remember that.
Man I miss how simple old lore was. Jax was literally "Haha super op guy nerfed into using a lamp post."
@@colinevans4771 isn't that still his lore but now he's related to icathia?
@@heheheha1997 nah, rito put in a half-ass writing that the lamp is an ancient artifact.
How old are you
Warwick's title is the, Uncaged Wrath of Zaun. The lanes wanted Vander to unleash his wrath upon their enemies, but he didn't. Knowing that it would lead to more violence. If Warwick is Vander, then it's going to he such poetic justice. A reference to the old saying, be careful what you wish for. Now, Warwick terrorizes Zaun because his wrath is now uncaged.
"The people who cried wolf"
@@sheol8989 *Gives each person in Zaun a tissue box*
Warwick in Zaun only hunts those with blood on their hands. Atleast when he can help it.
@@tex4096 sad thing is, he mostly can't help it. The smell of blood makes him go beserk
So you can probably say that Vander himself was literally the chains for Warwick
He’s referred to as the “hound of the underground” that was all the foreshadowing needed for me
also when warwick says "I ran these streets" it could be referring to how Vander was the one everyone looked up to in the undercity and essentially "ran the streets" by being their leader
The term ice could be a reference to how when you freeze water you get ice
@@nikims_ holy fuck thank you 😂
@@nikims_ ??
@@ii7380 I'm pointing out that you're a great example of the peak intelligence of league players
@@nikims_ im not understanding what i said wrong tho homie
WW: "i run these streets"
also vander :"i run these streets"
also vi to vander:"we run these streets"
Ww says "i ran these streets" which implies the past so its 100% vander. And i fckin knew it since i saw him... he gave me ww vibes with his wolverine hairstyle and aura
@@denismorosanu855 OH WOW NICE CATCH THERE!
@@denismorosanu855 Fr. Episode 1 I asked my fiance if he got Warwick vibes from Vander, because I definitely did. By episode 3, just, if Vander isn't Warwick Riot has failed us.
@@amberwilloughby2720 the moment I saw him with the gloves/knuckledusters in the trailer I knew Vander was WW. Big tough man, but with an air of nobility to him. Moved assertively. Fought using knuckledusters which are the closest thing we saw to mechanized claws. It just made sense to me
@@amberwilloughby2720 definitely, really hope he’s warwick
Vander and Warwick in a nutshell: "Oh Yeah, It's All Coming Together."
Is that “ oh yeah it’s all coming together” a reference to emperor’s new groove.
More like: "oh no... it's all coming together..."
On the other hand, the entire series soo far feels like that
Bro do you say this in every league video?
Wrong cause he says you abandoned zaun when Vander couldn't know that he died before knowing anything about vi leaving jinx. And when Warwick is made he doesn't remeber anything that happened while he was being tortured by singed u think singed gave him a tv saying vis missing on it n zuan the only one with that info is silco. So silco could be ww
@@phantome12345 I see your point but we first memory from his time of a human is a girl crying and screaming a name and blood Silco had not blood on him, you also can forget the strength that ww has yes Signed could make Silco have that but I don’t think Silco would make Signed very interested in him as a test subject. Another hint that Vander could be ww is that you can hear a little bit of ww theme it’s his blood hunt it very small but you can hear it. However I like you idea it can be both.
Don't know much about Warwick, but everything points to Vander being him in my eyes. The growling, the "Hound of the Underground", even his design looks very wolf-like to me. Resembling a lot of other characters in fiction that have something to do with wolves (it's the beard and the hair. It's always the beard and the hair). These choices aren't made for no reason. He's either Warwick or people had a damn good reason to think he is.
I do hope he is. I miss Vander.
Vander is literally the most werewolf looking man in fiction.
He is 1000%, 1000000% Warwick and it's not even a theory anymore. There's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more to it than this video shows. Anyone who says otherwise is blatantly being willfully ignorant trust me.
well now its confirmed that he is :)
Act 3 Spoilers:
When Ww says ‘you were there’ & ‘let me forget’ it most likely is referencing when Jinx was being experimented on, being how torturous the experimentation was for ww.
Also, episode 9. When Jinx was hallucinating with Mylo, Clagore, & Vander. She saw Vander as a wolf, this was after her experimentation in singed’s lab where she possibly saw ww while on the chair being experimented on.
Do you know the minute?
@@Hey-dn6kgit starts at 31:50 on episode 9.
Whereas Mylo and Clagores ‘Demons’ seem to mimic their human counterparts, Vander has more wolf like features.
other people remembering this makes me really happy for this community.
In the ending scenes of the last episode you can see a hand with claws on it, in singed’s lab.
Or umm… the fire maybe?
Literally everything about his character matches Warwick’s background. If it’s not him idk who the hell it’s supposed to be.
Looked like Mundo
@@Intoxicatedmeta mundo was a Jolly man who screwed up with a chem baron. chem barons don't exist yet in that particular time period, after hextech makes a launch, hextech is used for chemtech to make its debut. with chemtech comes the barons.
i thought warwick was a former gangster who was trying to reform
If it isnt Vander then it's just Gotham all over again with Jerome not being the Joker, etc. Itll be bs
@@sunayshastri3103 Yes, and that's vander a former gangster who was trying to reform...
The heartbeat when he is laying in the street is the same sound enemies hear when warwick has your scent in game.
I knew I fucking heard it!
shit they even thought about that?
you can see singed doing an experimentation on someone who is hanging that looks like a wolfman (high chance that it’s vander) in the ending of episode 9 of arcane, warwick on season 2 I bet 😳
The season 2 announcement trailer also ends with the Warwick blood hunt sound
I thought that was the reptile thing with the mutation that he was tranna preserve
This aged like fine wine
I think "The fear in your eyes, Ive seen it before" is talking about 2:22 Vander comes to save Vi to find her absolutley horrified of him, which was the first step to his warwick arc.
Yep
exactly
This is definitely the case
So many people skip this part to be the case... Good stuff
Wait you are right...Vi looks afraid that time..never saw before Vi scared to something other than that scene
1:36 I think he means when he was lying on the ground at the end and jinx was crying and screaming Vi's name, since in Warwicks bio that the last thing he remembers is a little girl screaming out a name.
This is the biggest clue for me
but he died? (the glowing veins shows his lifetime)
@@joshshaye1085 he never actually died. The serum is incomplete and he fell down in a box of serums it's either some serum entered his body through wounds and if he only drank 1.
@@skdonniee singed lost all his research after the explosion, guess vander will be his new guinea pig thus warwick will be made
@@Tarek-ys5rr although singed got caught up in the explosion with the fumes and flames of the serum, we know now how he become the singed the we knew. Maybe he first augmented his body then Vander's i guess.
The part where he screamed: "SILCOOOO!!" Was the closest to him sounding like WW in my opinion.
So who’s here after that Season 2 trailer dropped?
Just read warwick's lore and it totally makes sense
Though many think of Warwick as no more than a beast, buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life. But no matter how hard he tried to move on, he could never escape the sins of his past.
Memories of that time come to Warwick in flashes before they’re inevitably lost, replaced by searing echoes of the days he spent strapped to a table in Singed’s lab, the mad chemist’s face looming above him.
His world a haze of pain, Warwick could not recall how he fell into Singed’s grasp… and even struggled to remember a time before the suffering began. The scientist patiently carved into him, installing pumps and hoses to inject chemicals into his veins, seeking what an alchemist always seeks: transmutation.
Singed would reveal his subject’s true nature-the deadly beast hidden within a “good man.”
So is silco singed? I thought singed was noxian but I guessed not
@@JA-nv4zb Singed is the scientist from silcos gang. The one bald dude that created the purple drug. Also Singed was the dude that gave the rat the purple drink. Btw the rat is going to be Twitch it seems.
@@wass77 yup thats singed you can see it in the cast as well as in the subtitles. Also in the end you see him get lit up in flames so he'll prob wear a mask and the lab rat might be twitch.
@@solaireofastora8861 that rat is twitch?!! oooh thats very interesting thank you for info on singed too ^^
Also, remember that Silco said "I will show you who you really are" to Vander, and WW's lore says that he is one of Singed's experiments meant to bring about the beast that lies within a good man.
another one,
a better audioclip to identify just how similiar his voice is to warwick
right after the one you showed when he screams silcos name, and when he went for vi
those snarles are identical
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed
Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
@@FlutterSwag i have also posted this as a comment under this video. seperatly, im very much convinced vander is ww
Guess we all thought the same. High five same thought gang
It is also very suspicious that reworked Warwick's VA is still unknown. I know there still are VAs in League that are not known but hearing Vander's screams compared to Warwick is very similar if Warwick is voiced by JB Blanc who we know also voiced other champions.
Honestly I thought he was gonna become mundo, but this makes more sense now
Read Warwick’s lore. It says “buried beneath the fury lies the mind of a man-a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life.” Sounds like Vander to me.
1:36 Regarding this line, it’s possible that after Jinx was revived she witnessed the unconscious Vander who was in the process of becoming Warwick, even before as it seems like she knows Singed, referring to him as “the doctor” during Progress Day. Another hint to this theory is that during the scene where she pulls out the flare, we see Mylo and Claggor’s corpses but never Vander’s corpse at all so it’s possible that she knows that he’s still alive. Hell, he’s even depicted as a wolf in her hallucinations during the tea party.
As a Warwick main I really hope to see my boy on the big screen.
You and me both mate.
I got so hyped i started playing Warwick top and went 16/6/9 and got a S on tge first time
I DOUBT it...Story isn't REALLY about him....But if he DID he'd be absolutely terrifying.
Omg warwick is going to look amazing if he appears in arcane
As a viktor main, I didnt even realize it was viktor till way later and i feel like I betrayed him lmao
"Zaun needed you"
Probably because Vi became a Piltover Officer
One thing people seem to miss is the quote "I became the monster I always was" from Warwick. Vander tried to drown Silco and has all this wrath is trapped inside him just waiting to be unbound.
He was still trying to forget what he did, likely considering himself a monster in act 1 like he calls himself later as Warwick.
I read a lore, before Warwick became warwick the last thing he remembers was blood and a voice of a screaming girl. In episode 3, when Vi left Powder beside dead Vander, Powder screamed until Silco and friends approached her.
the fear in her eyes are actually multiple instances
remember hebasically raised her
when he picked them up on the bridge
when vi looked at him as he was dying
there in that scene
during the time vi was scared shitless between because she didnt know what she was supposed to do
the moment vi tried to sell herself out and he came to get her
im pretty sure he has seen her so much that he just knows the face she makes, even if he forgets everything else
I fucking forgot about that! fucking BRAIN BLAST
@@hrothroyal2295 the more i think about it and the more ppltalk about it the more things come together that kinda scream he is warwick
IF he turns out to be
thats fking amazing
@@hrothroyal2295 You could also look at the lore text for him. There are some links there too
@@gadrielvanorion9872 i feel sorry for the guy he didn’t deserve this
2:11 he does really sound like him
Warwick E
@@bigpj7359 in the cinematic you can hear the sound
I'm so dumb, I heard this in the episode and I was like ... why does this sound familiar tf??
"You were there..." probably refers to either Powder collapsing at his body after the bomb, or Jinx being in Singed's lab when she got her shimmer infusion. Reminder that we see Warwick's body already there at the end of season one.
when vander got up from the explosion to fight silco he saw the monkeybomb head on the floor so i think he knows it was powder who blew it up it even had the jinx style graffiti on it
It is He is talking about singes workshop he jinx there and she saw him too they both have lines talking about forgetting it
Well its now revealed that Vander is warwick, it seems like Singed made him. "The test subject must survive"
I think rio, or the “mutation”, may have been what was used to create shimmer. And shimmer, along with much more, used to create warwick
The things we know about warwick:
He was a retired gangster , that eventually ran the streets under a new name , had kids, no mention of a wife or a woman in his life tho so the gits are adopted , he was a kind and good men with "a beast inside" that Silco literally told him and his last memory before everything turning black is a small girl screaming out a name while crying (Little Jinx screaming Vi after she leaves her). If he doesn't become Warwick by the third batch of episodes Im going to be really upset cause the characteristics is exactly the same and it would be a gigantic missed opurtunity.
if they don't do it by this season maybe we'll be lucky and there's a second season where they will do it.
actually the screaming a name part was smt like "she was screaming something, it seems like her name" so I think it would have been Powder screaming about how Vi told her she was a "jinx", therefore the "Jinx" nickname
Missed opportunity? You think all this is a coincidence? riot know what they're doing its all planned.
@@selena9887 nahh, for this single season they needed like 2 years
@@sombra2749 6* (?)
yoooo i really hope he's warwick
I hope too but ww's lore is too tragic
@@daiki1697 so ur saying vander's life ain't tragic enough?
@@ostray5909 no I am saying that adding WW's lore to Vander would be even more tragic
@@daiki1697 ah i see
@@daiki1697 what happened w ww lore
When Warwick told Vi: "Zaun needed you", it is probably referring to her becoming a champion of Piltover in the later stages of the lore.
Swain also says: "She was closer than he realised"
Tbh i still dont fully understand that line can someone explain it?
@@r3dnael That one? It's Powder.. he didnt know she was the cause of his 'death' at the end
@Nina Tote A Noxian Strategist that has the power of a demon that knows everyone's secrets and knowledge essentially
@Nina Tote you likely won't see Swain in the show. It's a quote from the game in a specific interaction with Warwick (the character that Vander will most likely become).
@@SiMeGamer there is a sus crow in act 2 tho so maybe it's a spy from swain
"Blood is always so hard to scrub out of iron"
Vander, commenting about his iron gauntlets. I'd like to assume this is also a small reference of sorts to ww's claws and the blood he uses to track people after slashing them, or they when they get cut
@@bdgandalfow2776 bro u must've missed it then, literally the conversation he was having with the piltover guard who had the body shape of a string bean when they were looking for the kids in the basement, and he talks about not wanting to bring back out the gauntlets which he points out are hanging on the ceiling because, and I quote "bloodstains are hard to get out of iron"
@@bdgandalfow2776 well now we know someone who didn't watch or probably didn't listen to the show
@@bdgandalfow2776 "its would be a shame"
Apologies, wanted to throw in one more jab before the bell rings on this one.
@@bdgandalfow2776 yes it was when they searched his bar 🍸
@@Mekcstriker ...that's literally not the quote. It's "Cast-iron, well, it's hard to clean."
Here before this blows up and ends up in everyone’s for you page again because of the Arcane season 2 teaser
Vander was the "hound of the underground," basically the head honcho of Zaun. The biggest thing that makes me feel as though Vander is Warwick is the 1 line Warwick says; "I ran these streets -..."
Other quotes: "I became the monster I always was," Vander considered himself to be a "bad" person during the civil war days, so he wanted to change himself, to keep Zaun safer.
Speaking of changing himself, "- a gangster who put down his blade and took up a new name to live a better life." - Warwick's Bio/Wiki. Sounds a lot like what Vander wanted to do, move on from the past sins he made (with Silco) and start a new life with a small family. Raise them to be better.
"all he could see was blood. But then he heard a little girl screaming. Screaming something he couldn't understand. It sounded like a name." More bio/wiki information on Warwick. This could definitely imply the insane amount of blood spilled by all the kids and gangsters that surrounded him, as for the scream, that can 100% be referring to Jinx/Powder calling out to Vi/Violet.
Love how Riot took a lot of small attention/details towards this series. Even if you never played league or even heard of it, it can definitely be enjoyable to the fullest.
Swain actually told warwick jinx was there
Swain:She's closer then you realised
Swain collect soul fragment jinx:
Faces fading in the flames...
It was her fault
Fiddlesticks:ALL YOUR FAULT
I'm convinced that while we may not see Swain at all in Arcane, every raven that shows up and has the camera deliberately focus on it wven for a couple of seconds, is one of Swain's spies. Even the one Jinx shoots.
@@spikysmoothness Ravens are also associated with death. They symbolize something bad is going to happen
@@spikysmoothness I thought the ravens were silcos spies
@@jackthompson7546 no, silco as far as we know has no magic or the like so he'd have no way of controlling crows. It's either symbolic or one of Swain's spies.
@@generalgarchomp333 sorry they just looked like cameras to me xD
They literally call Vander 'Hound of the Underground' in the first episode.
Out of all of the act 1 characters vander is easily my favorite. Dude starts a revolution, takes in kids orphaned from said revolution while making peace deals with enforcers, protect and raise said kids till your last breath, be overall kickass.
The way he joyously fills a cup for powder, and he doesnt just leave it at that. No no, he puts a lil bendy straw in there for her with a smile. Then , he immediately remembers a stuffed rabbit vi had who knows how many years ago and the significance it holds.
I loved every little expression he made in episode three, the raw emotion they managed to animate onto him when Vi goes to fight was heartbreaking.
he is the dad we all deserve.
You forgot when he's in Hulk mode and screams "Silco!" He sounds EXACTLY like in-game Warwick.
feelsbad i really wanted vander to be a character for the entire show what an absolute sigma gigaChad beautiful man and character he was. Not to mention the absolute perfect voice acting. whoever his VA is god damn you have such a perfect voice and perfect delivery/talent/skill for these types of characters.
He's voiced by JB Blanc, who also voiced Kano in mk11!
@@kingdong4201 and Braum in League lol
Very diverse character
A scheming crime lord
A hyper masculine daddy
And a combination turned crazy
@@PlaneToSpain And Caustic in Apex Legends
and Kuben Blisk in Titanfall 2
I think the "You were there" will refer to fture events where Silco and Singed will experiment on him while Jinx is there because Silco took her in his gang for now.
That's actually make sense! Because, the way he say it, sounds like he is really mad at her, but he feels the connection between her to the fact that he raised Jinx but cannot fully remember it. It's sounds like he is angry and disappointed at the same time. In addition, he will not be mad if he is just talking about the fact that the explosions was caused by jinx because he will surely understand, that Jinx is just trying to help that night.
@@bulbulitobayagbagan9633 I don't know if he sounded moreangry than he sounds on every other line. He sounds angry even when talking to Vi, so thats probably just the way his voice is.
@@nooneatall5612 Of course he is angry, he feels so much pain that's what his lore is. What I meant was that he remember Jinx watching him suffer (to the fact that silco "adopted" her) while not doing anything, so he feel angry in a sense of he feels betrayed because he does not fully remember her who she was.
I think it's about the explosion since Powder was never directly seen by Vander, but he knows her well enough to realize she had to be the one to cause it
Another one of those "in the last episode" comment but this one is not the one in Singed's lab. In the part where Vi, Cait, and Silco was captured by Jinx when Vi was calling out to her, telling her to remember her family. Jinx was seeing Mylo, Claggor, and Vander but in stick line drawings. Mylo and Claggor both retain their features in stick drawings but when it comes to Vander, it's a furry hulking creature with ears. Hmmmm. If you play it frame by frame, like in RUclips, you'll see it.
My partner and I don't play League, but i did notice that. I'm here because i didn't want that to be the end of Vander, so I'm glad it's heavily hinted at that he's a character for LOL players.
@@ALu-nq8rf In short terms, Warwick is a permanent werewolf, but he can't remember his past or who he was, he's now like those beasts who drank shimmer, but well... like a werewolf hahaha
@@ALu-nq8rf its more of a fun fact than actual Vander living on, only if they really changed the characther. Warwick is totally separate from his previous life, even more so than other mutated/transformed characters - like viktor, for example
They didn't fully show it, but it's obvious Vander is Warwick from the last episode lol.
wdym? i finished it but prob didn't pay attention
Also take a look at Vander's right arm, the one silco slashed
Now take a look at warwicks right arm, the weaker one that broke and needed a claw to be surgically attached???
In lore, singed turns a human being into a werewolf so im guessing thats probably Vander also he performs cruel experiments on warwick attaches tubes of chemicals on his back and replaces his arm with a mechanical arm, all in while warwick was alive and he would pass out again and again from the pain
Oh crap, that's actually such a good detail
@@tron-8140 damn
@@itsreyo Not a werewolf, a chimera. He has the DNA of multiple creatures spliced together
Not to mention during the last fight for vander, they showed him using iron knuckles as his weapon which is the closest and most believable weapon that is similar to warwicks claws
“Zaun gave me claws long before you did”
and silco stabbed vander's arm, ww's mechanical claw thingy is possibly for that weak arm
I thought it's iron knuckles because he's used to the metal gauntlets
Plot twist: Vander is Sett
The writers of the show are brilliant. I'm not suprised they alluded to future events as subtext within the story.
AND THEY TEASED WARWICK FOR SEASON 2, LETS GOOO
This is so good! But I think the time he saw fear in her eyes is when she first saw him juiced up on the purple stuff, looking like a monster. He freaked out when he saw her face and started howling in episode 3.
The funny thing is Vander looks like one of those classic movie characters from way back when that would normally turn into a were-wolf.
Wolverine like looks kekw
When Warwick says "let me forget" he doesnt mean just the explosion, he means his entire past.
Last episode says it all folks. Pay attention near the end. You can see him.
And not to mention about Singed's story of when he created Warwick. His art cover had the shadowed specimen hanging in chains and it looked very similar to Vander in his mutated form.
So does Project Warwick. The face looks very Vander-y. Just with bushier eyebrows.
“No one wins in war, Vi”
I thought was a foreshadowing to his name to “Warwick”. It’s meaning can be also said to be traits of Vander.
If You're watching or coming back to this, I think we all know why we were here.
Warwick growls and says "I run these streets" and Vander is called the hound of the underground.
7 Reasons why Vander might be Warwick
SPOILERS obiv
1. In game Warwicks special interaction with Jinx is 'You were there...' 'Let me forget'. Although it is stated Warwick doesn't remember the life before singed took him in the ending in ep 3 could be the last traumatic experience he remembers although not seeing jinx he might have later found out she was in fact there, therefore confronts her about it.
2. When vander 'died' he had close resemblance to warwicks figure after ingesting the purple stuff
3. Vander picks up the other purple guy in a similar fashion to how Warwick picked up the chem baron after he was killed in his own cinematic
4. If it is revealed that Warwick is Vander rito would have made the line 'Who taught you how to punch?' To VI ironic - remember Warwick doesn't remember much of his past life.
5. Warwick says 'I ran these streets, (now its your turn to run)' . So did Vander, coincidence?
6. If you turned on subs you could see singed was one of the characters who 'died' in the ep 3 blast before officially revealing it was singed and a good 60% of singed lore is Warwick whom coincidentally dies in the same place as vander
7. Warwicks lore describes a zaunite gangster that tried to retire from this life but no matter how hard he tried his past caught up to him this closely matches Vanders description of his past life. Before adopting jinx and vi Vander used to hustle and stopped after the bridge incident in the beginning. His past life caught up to him when silco reentered his life his partner in crime.
I wrote this up in my spare time but this guy does prove a lot of these in this video.
edit: Split it up to make it more readable
You sir are a saint
I remembered in Warwick lore or in somewhere he said that he heard a little girl screaming a name. I could be wrong
i mean riot created the story they can easily match arcane to their character lore. and thats why i firmly beleive vander is warwick. they knew when they made the rework they wanted warwick to be something with zauns cahracters. and now they gave it a front with arcane
@@EpicTacoSenpai i mena warwick was made of someone and its like 70% sure its vander so i doubt its anyone else
From Warwicks bio too, which gives even more evidence:
"He saw a bearded man reflected in the eyes of a beggar as he tore out his throat. The other man looked somber, somehow familiar; there were scars on his arms."
The scars on the arms are maybe the scars he got from Silco, and Vander is bearded in Arcane.
Looks like we were right, boys!
There is also another hint ! When vander is uncoacious after he falls out of the window, you can still hear his heart beating and it sounds like warwick's sound !
My name irl is Vanden, really close to Vander, and ever since I started playing league, Riot has spammed the living shit out of me with Warwick skins. Not to mention I rerolled my 3 ARCANE CAPSULE skins and got Lunar Guardian Warwick the day Arcane dropped. So many parallels it’s insane.
What if YOU are Warwick 😟
0:08 In the german-dub version of arcane they call him wolf-hound of zhaun !
"Warwick was a gangster who abandoned his life to be a good man"
I can’t remember which episode, but you see a wolf like figure hanging up in the doctor’s chambers. Dude looks up at it and we see it from the side at an angle with us looking down at the doctor. I’ve never had anything to do with LoL before so I have no previous insight, but I figured something like what you propose might be the case.
last episode on singed ceiling
For the fear in Vi's eyes - I think he actually means the expression she's making at 2:22. He throws down the body, then makes eye contact with her and recoils, knowing he looks like a monster. She's afraid of HIM.
I think the "The fear in your eyes, I've seen it before" voiceline of Warwick actually referts to when Vander was forced to use shimmer and beat up that thug on the doorframe, realizing what he is doing and turning away from Vi
the new teaser is confirming this im pretty sure
"the fear in your eyes, ive seen it before" is referring to 2:22. he does not see her face at all in the clip you had shown for the quote, meanwhile she is staring directly at *him* with absolute terror, to the point it makes him have a mini breakdown, turning away from him and hiding his face.
i think he saw a piece of jinxs monkey-bomb after the explosion
I was wondering the same thing, I just rewatched that part and it only showed Vi noticing the monkey bomb.
there's more in those interactions among Swain, Jinx and Warwick
"She was closer than he realize...." - Swain to Warwick
"Faces...fading in the flame...it was all her fault" - Swain to Jinx
Fun fact in the show you see ravens being around pretty often. It wouldn't surprise me if they were Swains, who look over everything happening in runterra
@@TheBloodytaste Swain uses ravens to gather intelligence for him. it's also stated in his lore that he's even on par with Aurelion Sol on the amount of intel they have in Runeterra.
the only thing he doesn't understand / fears is what happened before Raum (his Demon) existed.
What is Swain's connection to them btw? Isn't he noxian?
@@nia8593 Noxus has a lot of trade deals with piltover as far as I heard from the show as well. So it shouldn't be surprising for Swain to spy on them especially after they aquired hextech making them a possible danger for their future conquest plans.
@@TheBloodytaste I rewatched the second batch of episodes and you can actually see swains birds appear a lot and I didn't notice that before.
2:28 WW says that he runs these streets, Vander was running the pub in zaun
Vi: Caitlyn this is my father.
Warwick: *Itching his ear with his back keg*
Vi: My adoptive father……
as forthe : you where there
she was there when he died and warwick remembers a girl screaming a name which was jinx screaming Vis name
he was right next to them
chances are he kinda knew that much
that or jinx was there when he was experimented on since singed is with silco
though we cant know that yet
RIP vander. Never expected Arcane to have such a heavy scene
Well technically he is not dead
After Singed created Warwick , his only memories from his past was blood and a little girl screaming a name
Shootout to arc 1 Episode 3 finale 🫂
In last episode couldn't we see some sort of creature hanging above Singed in his laboratory, could that be Warwick?
In last episode couldn't we see some sort of creature hanging above Singed in his laboratory, could that be Warwick?
It all comes together.. WTF.. so Hyped for the future
"I run the streets" Warwick says. Also Vanders nickname was the hound of the underground.
It's actually hinted waaaay too strongly for them not to confirm it later. It's something for fans to think and argue about and something shocking and dramatic for Arcane only fans, when we finally see it.
The build up so far and the dramatic payoff of Vander ending up as Warwick is too good for it not to happen.
The way I see it there's 4 outcomes, only 3 of which I like
1. Warwick gets revealed right at the end of Arcane, probably a post-credits scene, hinting at a future season
2. Warwick doesn't get *directly* revealed, maybe just some claw marks or snarling, but again, to hint at a future season.
3. Less fun option but he could just straight up not appear or be hinted at further at all, and simply just appear in a future season.
4. This is the outcome I dont like, but Warwick could appear and play a part in Act 3. Yes, it would probably be cool to see, but these kind of things are best served as teasers to build hype. Just throwing him in right away would be dull, but I don't think the writers are so incompetent as to waste sequel potential like that.
@@lj_aderyn I think WW being in Act 3 would've been a possibility if they didn't already tease that (spoilers) big chemtech machine thing that Vi is fighting. As in, WW would have to serve similarly to how Deckard did in Act 1, a monster, but since they already have one, it seems like your other 3 options are more likely. Tossing in two of the "experimental monster" bad guys would be really unorthodox. There's also the possibility we get no confirmation and we're simply left to theorize, though I figure Riot would have to say something about it eventually due to fan pressure.
Just two of many potential plot points:
1. Warwick comes to life at the end of season 2 as a cliffhanger.
2. Vi and Jinx are forced to face Warwick after realizing he used to be Vander, renewing their bond and leading to the storyline we see in that “Legends of Runeterra” or whatever card game where they’re on friendly terms with each other.
"The fear in your eyes, I've seen it before" probably references the first scene of the show on the bridge.
I think "The fear in your eyes" quote comes from when Zander took the serum and saved Vi from the other infected dude. When he looked down at her, she was clearly terrified, hence why he kinda lost his mind and stumbled back a bit.
the Vi taunt " who taught you how to punch " pretty much confirmned Vander = Warwick
In the Mecha Warwick skin's recall you can see a face which greatly resembles Vander's
"you were there" I think he heard vi confronting powder for what she did in blowing them up and also probably heard powder screaming vi's name. Or maybe in the future he might've seen her while he's being transformed by singed.
I think when WW says "Let me forget" to Jinx, he means Singed's lab. If I recall right they gave us a short glimpse of WW for a very short time while Jinx was being transformed. So WW says "You were there" as in Singeds lab, and he says "Let me forget" as in let me forget how they transformed you and changed you.