00:00 - Intro 05:14 - Chaos 15:04 - Dark Eldar 23:12 - Eldar 29:53 - Imperial Guard - 37:10 - Necrons 46:17 - Orks 53:41 - Sisters of Battle 59:13 - Tau 01:04:37 - Space Marines 01:14:46 - Outtro Destar has a tierlist in French; ruclips.net/video/CbwB3Qy61VY/видео.html Use translated subs if you have to Destar is a proplayer, and if you want to get a more credible tierlist, go watch his, don't listen to his SM takes 🤣
I've got to give you MAJOR props for uploading this. Been playing RTS games for well over a decade and a half myself and most games of this scale are supposed to have or at least generally have tier lists. Warhammer is a massive franchise and to my knowledge while the games do not have a particularly big community it IS large enough and this game in particular has tons of mods from what I've heard. Still in the process of clearing all the expansions Campaigns before I can truly delve into it all. Anyways what I'm trying to say here is that I'm amazed a RTS like this has VERY few tier lists. It's not like the factions are that evenly balanced and that especially applies in earlier versions/expansions. Everyone here has presumably played the earlier ones but words cannot describe how much worse the Orcs are in the first version of the game compared to the later ones.
I love the video! Can we get a tier list of each faction's units? Please! Note: whenever someone makes a tier list of an RTS, just knock down his main race a tier to get the correct tier list 😜
Thanks for that brother. I will do a unit tierlist later at some point, but I will take a bunch of time 😅 Also your comment on putting SM this high might be suited in this case, but I'll let people decide 😅
Glad you liked it brother. I am as of now doing a map-tierlist ft. Jagus. So it's not in the near feature, but it for sure something to do for later, I would be down! 🙂
Something crucial to consider about the matchup grid you are using, is that it isn't filtered by MMR/skill level. Those stats are inflated by thousands of noob games, or noob stomps by experienced players. This is especially prevalent when you consider SM and IG, which are by far the most popular factions of newcomers casually trying out the game. A more useful grid to go on, would be looking at the 'High rating' filter
Hey Kez, thanks for watching! I do agree that the stats have issues, which I mention serveral times in the video. I did look at the high rating one before recording, but sometimes the sample sizes are so small over several years, that those stats can also be missleading aswell. Also those stats does include outlier players, which I mention why I try to avoid. The stats where also there to supplement my own knowledge, but im sure there are holes in that knowledge from time to time, and so the stats did potentially get overused those moments. Thanks for the feedback brother!
@@Duzzyminister I agree completely with your tier list. Maybe I put the Necrons higher, but as the statistics showed: Dark Eldar - Necron is a matchup in favor of the Necrons, which is probably why I have problems with them.
I was a bit skeptical since this Tier List is not bad and his reasoning makes sense. But after playing as the Necrons for awhile I honestly agree 100%. For how easily accessible they are. The Flayed Ones are busted. Not only are they great tanks but they can kill almost anything on their own. They have no moral so these things will always fight at 100%. You have one or two fully reinforced squads of them backed up by an assortment of other Necrons and you're not gonna lose most fights even if they outnumber you. The only fights you will lose is if they have a lot of abilties prepped. But since you can spawn them in anywhere on the map it's easy to replace them. Necron teleportation is also nice in that regard. The Nightbringer is very powerful on its own thanks to that lifesteal but if you have it fight alongside an Awakened Monolith I genuinely don't think there is a single fight that you can lose. The Awakened Monolith on its own is like somewhere within Top 2 or 3 units in the game. But if it fights with a Necron Lord and an army. Everything it comes into contact with is getting obliterated. The Eldar are probably only winning that much against them because they stop the Necrons before they can reach that point. Even if you come across an army that can stalemate it for a bit. It will be overwhelmed because the Monolith can create units mid combat and the Necron can place turrets anywhere on the map. I think Necrons have way too much utility and versatility to be in C. I can easily see how they aren't S or even A. But they are definition of a B Tier faction if I've ever seen one.
@@mee091000 Hey bro, thanks for your input. I could in theory nitpick your points, but it would be kinda unfair, since you're overall making some good points! I will admit that seeing this comment section, is making me second guess myself (that's only good tho). But since my criterias included the map-meta, it was hard for me to give them a high rating. There is simply too many maps that they suffer on (QT, SOE, MOM, OR etc.) And while Necrons might have a good time on TE, FM or maybe BR and look (sometimes) super broken, other times they legit look like a useless race, and all of that comes down to the map. Few freaky players like Bloody Monster will ofc ignore all of these cons, but as I explain in my video early, he is an outlier. I will say tho, that if I made the tierlist today, I would put Necrons on B-tier. I guess you learn somthing everyday 😊
You say that the space marine has a low win rate because beginners play for him, but if you switch to "All seasons" and "only high rating" then there the win rate will be at the level of the battle sisters, whom you moved to trash. The strength in the late game is bad because the other races know about it and dream of destroying the space Marines as quickly as possible. And I would put necron in the place of a space marine, that is, on "B", because they have a powerful t 1.5 rush, a special economy, simple management, the most powerful mage hero in the form of a lord, the strongest skinner paratroopers, universal tanks in the form of destroyers, the strongest anti-tech infantry, a Monolith that is the strongest t4 in the game.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am pretty sure you have not seen the whole video 😊 But yes I would put necons up in the B-tier aswell, even tho I disagree with some of the your resonans.
i mean i hate eldar but i must agree not because of the overall game stats just because on world cybergames Select won with eldar twice they have every tool they need to win sadly but to put dark eldar on A tier i cant agree , yes they have jetbikes and yes tier 2.5 ist fun but except of jetpacks their anti vehicle is horrible in the entire game yes jumpack and range they have but low hp and low moral i rahter take the anti tank of every other races then nuns with guns on D tier not sure i think most of the people dont abuse sisters the right way celestials are op they have the same armor type as terminators and with a certrain bug abuse you can put 2 leaders (if you dont believe me i can prove it to you) nerons on c tier is right not because they are bad its because if their bad design , the necron dota abillties is strong against those who have no good melee option like ig and tau
Dark Eldar is a top 3-4 race in the game, you will have a hard time finding who think DE is lower than top 4. Some of the best players in the world even consider DE not to be in tournament cause they are so broken tier 1. It's so bad to the point that I had few high level pros telling me that I should not allow DE in the upcoming tournament that me and Jagus are hosting soon. Now the AV problem is legit, but it does not take away the fact that they have vehicles early game that no one else has. I was torn on putting sisters on D or C, but I ended up putting them on D-tier cause I would consider them the weakest race. I do know the leader bug, it is widely known at this point that it is possible, however bugabuse is a no go, and no player should be able to do so, therefore I do not consider that. Yes celestians are strong, but sadly does not add up for all the weaknesses of the race. Thanks for your opinion and input tho
Yeah the server is still active, and growing. But for sure a lot of respect to all the mods, and the creators beheind them! Personally I like vanilla more, due to it being super raw, but it's all about personal preference 😀👍
I don't know man. I play both vanilla and Unification and I have to say that I don't appreciate a lot of the visuals in it. Like the Emperors Children and Renegade Guard are just cringe.
I love how when you get to tau you get so hyped saying that a good tau player slaps people around. And then shit all over them for the entire section 😂 I wish you whould have talked a bit more about the late game from factions. And drew more comparisons to other factions in terms of power spikes. Like when you say chaos late game is good, i am not getting what does good mean? And what does okay late game mean? All of this come from a perspective of a newbie by the way. Maybe as a veteran i whould understand were you are getting at. I just wanted to know wich factions had a super strong late game, and now i am still left a bit questioning. I loved the video though and that you whould go into extra detail about specific faction/map matchups. I hope you make another video talking about factions, aimed at new players like me.
I totally agree that Eldar are S tier. However Necrons are definitely A tier. Lol have you never had an entire Necron army teleport into your base with multiple Monoliths and the Deceiver? Oh and you can't stop it because the Lord can teleport at a silly point in your base?
Hey mate, thanks going in and put your takes out there, feel free to disagree 😊 I would be inclined to disagree tho. I would without all external factors put Necrons on B-tier. Too many maps are unplayable and too many sus matchups. Even your late game scenario has never happend to me, only one monolith and deciever, and in those cases I blow them up with Landraiders, terminators and pure firepower. Multiple monoliths usually never happens unless they bug abuse or you're trolling and letting necrons just somehow build 2 or more tier 4 monoliths. 😅 Even if they got to tier 4, IG and SM (just to mention some) beats them strait up tier 4. The one disclaimer is, that I could imagine some crazy stuff like that happening on team maps, and there we might have a different conversation 👍
You must not have played many good Necron players (when you could do it lol). The base teleport was the end game goal for Necrons. The Deceiver was there to attempt to mind control any defenders/waste their time. The rest of the army usually had enough time to ruin a base before enough defenders came. Plus the Resurrection Orb meant they had to be wiped out twice but also left a permanent threat in your base. The monolith thing, all you had to do was summon one outside of combat as it would take 90% damage after timing out then heal up. I used to use this playstyle to 1vs3 many times. Remember, basic Warriors were free so they coukd also easily rush.
@KunDziki remember that the Necron Warriors are free to produce so in the long run they will out grind you. Plus Necrons will always build additional Monoliths so that wont stop them upgrading. At best you'll distract them or temporarily slow them down. Throwing units into a meat grinder is exactly what a good Necron player wants as they will pretty much never lose and it will cost their enemy way more resources to play into than they need to spend.
I watched this on 1.75x speed because i feel you soeak a little slow for my taste (not a bad thing, you ennunciate well which is what enablws this anyways) but the background music is really annoying lol. That being said i dont like music on 1x speed either. Just thought id make this perspective known Really like the content would love to see more.
00:00 - Intro
05:14 - Chaos
15:04 - Dark Eldar
23:12 - Eldar
29:53 - Imperial Guard -
37:10 - Necrons
46:17 - Orks
53:41 - Sisters of Battle
59:13 - Tau
01:04:37 - Space Marines
01:14:46 - Outtro
Destar has a tierlist in French; ruclips.net/video/CbwB3Qy61VY/видео.html
Use translated subs if you have to
Destar is a proplayer, and if you want to get a more credible tierlist, go watch his, don't listen to his SM takes 🤣
never thought id ever seen a tier list about my favorite RTS of all time! Thanks dude!
Thanks brother, glad you liked it. :-)
I've got to give you MAJOR props for uploading this. Been playing RTS games for well over a decade and a half myself and most games of this scale are supposed to have or at least generally have tier lists. Warhammer is a massive franchise and to my knowledge while the games do not have a particularly big community it IS large enough and this game in particular has tons of mods from what I've heard. Still in the process of clearing all the expansions Campaigns before I can truly delve into it all. Anyways what I'm trying to say here is that I'm amazed a RTS like this has VERY few tier lists. It's not like the factions are that evenly balanced and that especially applies in earlier versions/expansions. Everyone here has presumably played the earlier ones but words cannot describe how much worse the Orcs are in the first version of the game compared to the later ones.
New to the game and this is gonna really help with who I wanna play! How your channel blows up❤❤
Nice video Duzzy! I appreciate and agree with this list, even if my beloved Sisters are in D Tier :')
Thanks Jagus! I learned from the best! But yeah I wanted to spare you the truth, but I know you can take it 😉
I love the video! Can we get a tier list of each faction's units? Please!
Note: whenever someone makes a tier list of an RTS, just knock down his main race a tier to get the correct tier list 😜
Thanks for that brother. I will do a unit tierlist later at some point, but I will take a bunch of time 😅
Also your comment on putting SM this high might be suited in this case, but I'll let people decide 😅
S-orc eld A- cron tau de B- ig chaos C- sm sob
Could you do a guide on the factions and build orders? Such for an imperial guard, i know they are not the best, but I struggle midgame.
nice video duzzy
can you go for unit tierlist next?
Glad you liked it brother.
I am as of now doing a map-tierlist ft. Jagus. So it's not in the near feature, but it for sure something to do for later, I would be down! 🙂
Something crucial to consider about the matchup grid you are using, is that it isn't filtered by MMR/skill level. Those stats are inflated by thousands of noob games, or noob stomps by experienced players. This is especially prevalent when you consider SM and IG, which are by far the most popular factions of newcomers casually trying out the game.
A more useful grid to go on, would be looking at the 'High rating' filter
Hey Kez, thanks for watching!
I do agree that the stats have issues, which I mention serveral times in the video. I did look at the high rating one before recording, but sometimes the sample sizes are so small over several years, that those stats can also be missleading aswell. Also those stats does include outlier players, which I mention why I try to avoid.
The stats where also there to supplement my own knowledge, but im sure there are holes in that knowledge from time to time, and so the stats did potentially get overused those moments.
Thanks for the feedback brother!
Oh, hi! We got caught many times on the ladder! Great video, like it
Thanks mate! What's your ign?
@@Duzzyminister Sikorsky
@@Duzzyminister I agree completely with your tier list. Maybe I put the Necrons higher, but as the statistics showed: Dark Eldar - Necron is a matchup in favor of the Necrons, which is probably why I have problems with them.
@@Skuf18Oh yeah I remember you, you're the Hall of blood guy, always nice play with you 😊
Hello! Can you make a video on the strongest ultra-late-game factions? Like tier 4+
@@stepanfilonov I might do that in the future yes.
Soulstheim is prob my favourite Dawn of war game
Agree, it's truely great!
Personally id put Necron higher
I was a bit skeptical since this Tier List is not bad and his reasoning makes sense. But after playing as the Necrons for awhile I honestly agree 100%. For how easily accessible they are. The Flayed Ones are busted. Not only are they great tanks but they can kill almost anything on their own. They have no moral so these things will always fight at 100%. You have one or two fully reinforced squads of them backed up by an assortment of other Necrons and you're not gonna lose most fights even if they outnumber you. The only fights you will lose is if they have a lot of abilties prepped. But since you can spawn them in anywhere on the map it's easy to replace them. Necron teleportation is also nice in that regard. The Nightbringer is very powerful on its own thanks to that lifesteal but if you have it fight alongside an Awakened Monolith I genuinely don't think there is a single fight that you can lose. The Awakened Monolith on its own is like somewhere within Top 2 or 3 units in the game. But if it fights with a Necron Lord and an army. Everything it comes into contact with is getting obliterated. The Eldar are probably only winning that much against them because they stop the Necrons before they can reach that point. Even if you come across an army that can stalemate it for a bit. It will be overwhelmed because the Monolith can create units mid combat and the Necron can place turrets anywhere on the map. I think Necrons have way too much utility and versatility to be in C. I can easily see how they aren't S or even A. But they are definition of a B Tier faction if I've ever seen one.
@@mee091000
Hey bro, thanks for your input. I could in theory nitpick your points, but it would be kinda unfair, since you're overall making some good points! I will admit that seeing this comment section, is making me second guess myself (that's only good tho). But since my criterias included the map-meta, it was hard for me to give them a high rating. There is simply too many maps that they suffer on (QT, SOE, MOM, OR etc.) And while Necrons might have a good time on TE, FM or maybe BR and look (sometimes) super broken, other times they legit look like a useless race, and all of that comes down to the map.
Few freaky players like Bloody Monster will ofc ignore all of these cons, but as I explain in my video early, he is an outlier.
I will say tho, that if I made the tierlist today, I would put Necrons on B-tier. I guess you learn somthing everyday 😊
You say that the space marine has a low win rate because beginners play for him, but if you switch to "All seasons" and "only high rating" then there the win rate will be at the level of the battle sisters, whom you moved to trash. The strength in the late game is bad because the other races know about it and dream of destroying the space Marines as quickly as possible.
And I would put necron in the place of a space marine, that is, on "B", because they have a powerful t 1.5 rush, a special economy, simple management, the most powerful mage hero in the form of a lord, the strongest skinner paratroopers, universal tanks in the form of destroyers, the strongest anti-tech infantry, a Monolith that is the strongest t4 in the game.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am pretty sure you have not seen the whole video 😊
But yes I would put necons up in the B-tier aswell, even tho I disagree with some of the your resonans.
Should do this again with reunification that mod is nuts wrapping your head around
Yeah, I might have to refer to MR. Landshark who did one some time ago, he would be way more educated than me any of the mods in general. 🙂
@@Duzzyminister are you interested in Redux mod? it's most similar to vanilla with better ui , new stuff and balance
@@rickk9985 long term I might look at that one and swich to that 🙂
@@rickk9985 I've tried to get into Redux but it's been nightmare trying to install for some reason. Can't seem to get it to work.
Sm in B, tau and necrons in C. Kek
Won't argue with the Tau-God himself 😊
Now about Dark Crusade 👍
I simply don't play DC, so I would not be the right one to make that tierlist 😅
I think TAU is the best
It's time to reconsider my noob choice of DE 😅
i mean i hate eldar but i must agree not because of the overall game stats just because on world cybergames Select won with eldar twice
they have every tool they need to win sadly
but to put dark eldar on A tier i cant agree , yes they have jetbikes and yes tier 2.5 ist fun
but except of jetpacks their anti vehicle is horrible in the entire game
yes jumpack and range they have but low hp and low moral
i rahter take the anti tank of every other races
then nuns with guns on D tier not sure i think most of the people dont abuse sisters the right way
celestials are op they have the same armor type as terminators
and with a certrain bug abuse you can put 2 leaders (if you dont believe me i can prove it to you)
nerons on c tier is right not because they are bad
its because if their bad design , the necron dota abillties is strong against those who have no good melee option like ig and tau
Dark Eldar is a top 3-4 race in the game, you will have a hard time finding who think DE is lower than top 4. Some of the best players in the world even consider DE not to be in tournament cause they are so broken tier 1. It's so bad to the point that I had few high level pros telling me that I should not allow DE in the upcoming tournament that me and Jagus are hosting soon. Now the AV problem is legit, but it does not take away the fact that they have vehicles early game that no one else has.
I was torn on putting sisters on D or C, but I ended up putting them on D-tier cause I would consider them the weakest race. I do know the leader bug, it is widely known at this point that it is possible, however bugabuse is a no go, and no player should be able to do so, therefore I do not consider that. Yes celestians are strong, but sadly does not add up for all the weaknesses of the race.
Thanks for your opinion and input tho
_People play DoW Vanilla still?_ 🤔
Crucible Mod, Unification & Ultimate Apocalypse are giving so much more options & fun 🤗
Yeah the server is still active, and growing.
But for sure a lot of respect to all the mods, and the creators beheind them! Personally I like vanilla more, due to it being super raw, but it's all about personal preference 😀👍
I don't know man. I play both vanilla and Unification and I have to say that I don't appreciate a lot of the visuals in it. Like the Emperors Children and Renegade Guard are just cringe.
@@zedoniusrulerofflame4675 or the farsight enclaves, like whats up with their goofy hats?
And they are a lot more imbalanced and some of the options are useless.
@@ZmyshkoKain
🤔 Why are they called _"options"_ again? 😏
I love how when you get to tau you get so hyped saying that a good tau player slaps people around. And then shit all over them for the entire section 😂
I wish you whould have talked a bit more about the late game from factions.
And drew more comparisons to other factions in terms of power spikes.
Like when you say chaos late game is good, i am not getting what does good mean?
And what does okay late game mean?
All of this come from a perspective of a newbie by the way.
Maybe as a veteran i whould understand were you are getting at.
I just wanted to know wich factions had a super strong late game, and now i am still left a bit questioning.
I loved the video though and that you whould go into extra detail about specific faction/map matchups.
I hope you make another video talking about factions, aimed at new players like me.
I totally agree that Eldar are S tier. However Necrons are definitely A tier.
Lol have you never had an entire Necron army teleport into your base with multiple Monoliths and the Deceiver? Oh and you can't stop it because the Lord can teleport at a silly point in your base?
Hey mate, thanks going in and put your takes out there, feel free to disagree 😊
I would be inclined to disagree tho. I would without all external factors put Necrons on B-tier. Too many maps are unplayable and too many sus matchups. Even your late game scenario has never happend to me, only one monolith and deciever, and in those cases I blow them up with Landraiders, terminators and pure firepower. Multiple monoliths usually never happens unless they bug abuse or you're trolling and letting necrons just somehow build 2 or more tier 4 monoliths. 😅 Even if they got to tier 4, IG and SM (just to mention some) beats them strait up tier 4.
The one disclaimer is, that I could imagine some crazy stuff like that happening on team maps, and there we might have a different conversation 👍
You must not have played many good Necron players (when you could do it lol).
The base teleport was the end game goal for Necrons. The Deceiver was there to attempt to mind control any defenders/waste their time. The rest of the army usually had enough time to ruin a base before enough defenders came. Plus the Resurrection Orb meant they had to be wiped out twice but also left a permanent threat in your base.
The monolith thing, all you had to do was summon one outside of combat as it would take 90% damage after timing out then heal up. I used to use this playstyle to 1vs3 many times. Remember, basic Warriors were free so they coukd also easily rush.
Necrons feel like watching my grandma go upstairs
@@MALKAVIANsrle11 obviously you never played vs a good Necron player 😂
@KunDziki remember that the Necron Warriors are free to produce so in the long run they will out grind you. Plus Necrons will always build additional Monoliths so that wont stop them upgrading.
At best you'll distract them or temporarily slow them down. Throwing units into a meat grinder is exactly what a good Necron player wants as they will pretty much never lose and it will cost their enemy way more resources to play into than they need to spend.
I watched this on 1.75x speed because i feel you soeak a little slow for my taste (not a bad thing, you ennunciate well which is what enablws this anyways) but the background music is really annoying lol. That being said i dont like music on 1x speed either.
Just thought id make this perspective known
Really like the content would love to see more.
Need a dow2 retribution tier list now
bro why are all wh40k DoW videos min. 1 hour long
help
Wtf is this tier list lmao