Ever Seen a Power Harrow? Planting Sweet Corn in Garden!
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2024
- My first experience with a Power Harrow. Let's see if it works! Maschio has been making power harrows for many years. They are quite popular in Europe. Kubota LX3310 Tractor.
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I love your seeder. It really puts things into perspective just how big the big planter in our area are. The wheels look so big on Johnny
I want to get one, but I heard it was a harrowing experience.....lol. Thanks I am here all day!
Here in the nethrerlands we use power harrows almost for evry crop.Was nice see it be used on a little tractor.
gardeners use them all the time in the Netherlands for seeding grass and flowers... even for a kitchen garden..... they level the ground
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I’m one of many who have not seen the Power Harrow. It’s interesting what it does to the weeds and I’m sure you’ll let us know how that worked. Thanks for demonstrating some unique equipment. Blessings.
Harrows like that are great for regenerative agriculture. Tillers disturb the soil much deeper thus disrupting the ecosystem much more. Harrows help prevent soil erosion and also help not tear up the local ecosystems as bad as they don't go nearly as deep, yet still provide a suitable seedbed to allow for good germination rates. The organic people are really starting to move that direction. I discovered these things due to the BCS system of two wheel tractors. I will be getting one similar for my market garden operation.
Great info and video. Thanks Tim & Christy
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!
I'm from Belgium and here we use a power harrow a lot. A power harrow is used for making the ground fine. You have to plow first. It is not for mixing ground or working the weed and stuff in the ground, but for making a fine seeding bed.
Wonder if they got the vertical tiller idea from gavely?
Neat implement
Just love planting and harvesting videos...👍
Finally a good orange video!
That is a really cool machine!
here in Belgium a power harrow gets used a lot, even on big farms, it is used here after tilling ( for gardens or small fields) or ploughing ( wich we do every year) it breaks up the big cloths of dirt and levels the field out, ideal as a seed bed. it is funny to me how some implements aren't used in the USA, but what mostly suprises me is that a lot of farmers in the USA use no till or jusst go over with someting called a VT. Here that is forbidden, we have to plough and cultivate and roll... also I see a lot of farmers do corn after corn or mixed with soybeans, here we need to crop rotate with a period of years depending on the crop. You will never see a field of corn in corn aagain the next year. Just tought this was very interesting. But as always great video Tim! I really enjoy them, coming from a owner of 2 Iseki compact tractors
Yet another great video again Tim
Awesome implement for sure.
I like the concept. it would be interesting to see how it does with rocks. Up here in Glacier country ( we have 4 glacial lakes within 5 miles) I grow rocks the size of softballs just under the surface every year we pull 10 to 15 out of the garden and hundreds if not more in the fields
I just purchased a machio dc 2500 (8’ width) this spring. takes about a 100 hp to run. I’ve found that it usually doesn’t pull rocks out of the ground, in fact for the most part it keeps them buried. If it does pull a rock out it will either pull it with you until you pick it up or it kicks out the side. One of the nicest things it does is level the soil. I purchased it for smoothing out small hay fields and grass planting.
Hey Tim, at our farm we got the 4m (~39 inches) bigger brother of this machine and we don't use it often. Mostly in dry autumns on clumpy soil. As far as I learned in the university the difference between the power harrow and the tiller is indeed the fact that the power harrows doesn't chop up the soil as much as a tiller at a smaller level (soil degradation). Tillers should be used for gardening where the soil is often replaced/mixed with other components while for large scale farming power harrows are recommended. That type of spiky roller does a really nice job pushing bigger clumps down, leaving fine soil on top, again good for planting vegetables, but there are a lot of other rollers available from Gaspardo for different soils doing the opposite (spiral roller). A thing you maybe did observed but didn't mention in the video is the square tube behind the tines before the roller: it's important how fine you want the soil to be broken up. The lower you put it, the more time the soil will spend in the "working area" of the machine, also defining the working speed. If you're going too fast, with the bar set to low, the soil will be pushed in front of the machine and flowing-splashing over the square bar resulting with only fuel burned up. Working speed is dictated by soil types, weather and how fine you want the soil. You could run the machine from 1.85 - 4.7mph, but at high speeds it doesn't quite got time to work the soil. Another thing is the gearbox (on our Gaspardo on top of the machine which connects to the pto), you can change gears (optional) for different tine rotation speed contributing on matching the machine for your type of soil.
From my experience, this machine likes dry and sandy soils more then wet sticky stuff. One big advantage this machine got over a tiller is it's leveling effect. Since it's mostly pushing a bit of earth in front of it, and the tines spinning in different direction it mostly fills ditches (from plowing) with 2 passes. One thing I don't like is: it does level the soil but doesn't work deep so if the tractor is too heavy, without proper floatation, there will compacted tire tracks covered up, visible only after seeding when the soil starts to settle with the associated negative effects visible in the crop within the year.
We use a power harrow on the big 8410 after spreading manure and disking. Leaves a great finish. Can also smooth out ANY ruts
As a vegetable grower from NY I am very familiar with power harrows. It's a final finishing tool.
Looks like a good way to add soil conditioners nice video Christy have a day love from TEXAS
Tim i have a question i wanna checkout your tractors learn to use some attachments
Hey Tim, I know in another video you said you lay down some 46 before tilling and planting. How often to you side dress the corn during growing and what do you use? Thank you.
Seems like it might be pricey, do you think a 5' field cultivator would work just as well, or would the speed be an issue for these little tractors? I have the same issue here where my garden is wet. I thought about only fall tilling, then build up a small pull type cultivator. I just don't know if I could pull it fast enough to make it work.
That's pretty cool
I don't really have a need or application, but dang that looks fun! Informative and well balanced as always. As an LX owner, love seeing what you do with my tractor's bigger brother!
What is the difference between and tiller and power harrow? They look the same
I recommend you guys have a look at one of these a year or 2 ago.
Wondering if you used a spring tooth afterwards if you could rake up the weeds ?
Have you tried Gotta have it from Gurney's? It is our favorite so far, but I need to try some SV9010Sa. Like you, I like to experiment with corn, so this year I planted Temptrest and Double Delicious along with the Gotta Have it.
allot of European seed drills are mounted on the top/back of power harrows it allows good seedbed preparation , great vid by the way. looks like a useful bit of kit for a compact tractor.
Now that you've had the Kubota for a while, I'm wondering about your opinion on the R14T tires. I've got a Mahindra with R4's and am thinking about swapping to R1's or the R14T's. I'm doing a lot more so called field work with some ground engaging equipment than I thought I would be doing. You know how it is. How's the R14's working out for you?
How does it do with rocks. I just misbuster, disc, drag and till just to get in workable condition
That's an interesting tool. It looks like it did a great job.
Finally, I was wondering what nickname you were going to give your little Kubota!
Hi guy`s great video. how do you like the kabota machines? god bless you guys and keep the videos comin.
I've planted Milky Way the last 4 years, and it is one of my favorites.
We use a 110'' Kuhn power harrow behind a 6130r after discing with a large offset forestry disc to make the fire road drivable again. Or to freshen up a lane before a prescribed fire . Like the issue you experienced with the tiller it's too slow and dept control is problematic. With the power harrow we can travel between 4-6mph and only smooth an roll the top couple inches.
Nice video but I have to ask, shouldn't the comparison be the power harrow vs a harrow for fairness and not your usual go to tiller? The comparison is interesting but are completely different implements.
Not judging, just asking.
Love the channel and keep up the great work. Thanks 👍🏻
You mean a simple drag harrow? No way. Not even close. This power harrow is a much more aggressive tillage tool.
Should be compared to disk harrow, field cultivator, or tiller.
Wish my dirt was like that! Where I’m at in northern central Indiana is very sandy loam and drys quickly.
Here in England we use them all the time we have a detachable 3M one that goes I front of the seed drill and for maize and potatoes we take the drill of it and work it down like that are one is also a mashio
I agree, wonder if the weeds die off. Thank you for the new tool video
Most died, but some didn’t. If the roots still had dirt attached, they lived.
@@TractorTimewithTim disapointed than, thanks. 👍
That's a neat looking attachment.... i know it's more work but If it was me, I would till then go over with the harrow. Also the rows it makes looks like you could plant other vegetables as well
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I used to work at the Purdue Agronomy Research Center. We had a machine called a Lely Roterra. It was exactly the same principle as this one only it was 10ft. wide. It took a lot of power but it did a fantastic job, especially for plot work. Only drawback was it ate rotor bearings and gears that drove the tine rotors and they don't like rocks. These things have been around in Europe for a long time.
Hey Tim. That's a very interesting attachment! I'm curious if any of the tall weeds got wrapped around the tines. Thanks. -Ed
No, none of these wrapped...but they weren’t crazy tall.
I've thought of creating kind of a hybrid by attaching a roller to back of a rototiller. I wonder how that would work. Nice video Tim, I always enjoy seeing the different equipment you demo.
I think that would work well.
Do it ! I’ve seen little culti packers on European tillers . I like a firm seedbed.
It’s called a stone burrier. None of this kit is new, in europe we’ve been using this type of kit (power harrows and stone burriers) for decades. All high end sports fields/grounds will have been cultivated with this sort of kit
Here in Italy every tiller has the roller. There are many types of rollers. The roller in the video is the heaviest.
That is what I actually thought this was when I saw the picture of it before watching the video. I was actually thinking the same thing. I think adding a roller like that to the back of a tiller would work well as long as the roller was mounted properly to allow the tiller to till to the desired depth while allowing the roller to level the surface. However, tillers usually do a pretty good job of leveling behind themselves, or at least my walk-behind does, so would the roller really be needed?
Forgive my ignorance, but could you use a chain harrow with the tines down?
Why didn’t you make a pass with a landscape rake to pick up the weeds?
I don’t want to drive over it again with the tractor. This just packs it down.
Bad enough to drive between the rows when planting.
In the UK I know some farmers who will moldboard plough first to bury the 'trash' usually in combination with a furrow cracker/press to level the seed bed a bit. When you ploughed your garden a few years ago I couldn't help think your subsequent tilling would have been a lot less bumpy if you had pressed the furrows while ploughing. Then drill the seeds in with a combination harrow drill. The final pass will be rib rolling to help retain moisture by slightly compacting the seed bed.
Tim I can remember in the 70s helping a seed company plant & harvest in 1979, it came back to me. With a John Deere 4030 and 7000 4row planter.part of the tillage was done with a power harrow and a John Deere 4230 it took every single bit of power the tractor had 115 hp the tines were 9 inches long you had to plow first or the tractor couldn’t handle it you broke shear pins like mad.sure left the soil pulverized on a slope it could easily wash good luck with yours
Hi Tim, We used to use a 13 ft Lely Roterra followed by a 4 row planter 7000 jd planter pulled by a bridge hitch that I built. We also incorporated herbicide spraying by nousels mounted on the back of the roterra and side saddle tanks on the tractor.
What do you do when you get those mud balls? Just let it dry and hit it again?
I planted it...didn’t worry about it. Optimally, I would let it dry a bit more, but not sure we would ever get it planted if we kept waiting.
Nice work Tim 👌👍
Regards from Lebanon
Poor Johnny just sits there looking all depressed. Then he finally got in the action.
I like the results it produces! I wonder how it would perform on ground that had been turned plowed?
Any chance we can get a follow up in the power harrow?
I don’t have it anymore. Sorry.
You'll love the milkyway sweetcorn. That's all I have planted the last 3 or 4 years and everyone raves about it.
Tim you should try using it in comparison on a job you would use your Harley rake, set the tilling depth shallow.
Tim Christi that is quit a machine wish someone in Northeast Wisconsin would try them
God Bless All
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Troy-Bilt said to rake the weed up when you're done you can use one of those yard sweepers I think
Tim, could you have possibly used the lawn rake to get the weeds off before planting? Love your content!
TIM, good morning. This is an interesting machine. I've watched the big farms using VT but their machines are like 30' wide.
I noticed that this machine is also leaving the ground very smooth and leveled.
Now is this considered "no till"? I'm not concerned for my place, I till but as is with yours I have excellent strawberry dirt. Dry on top but mucky underneath.
Now would I use this as a stand alone tiller actually replacing my rotary tiller or would I use it in conjunction with my rotary?
Also, I would love to see you remove the roller completely and use it without the roller one time cause I'm wondering for a lighter tractor would the roller be necessary?
Thanks Tim, God Bless.
-Russ (Florida)
Russ, this would not be considered no till, as the power harrow is tilling the soil.
Tim,
Was your seed planter expensive ? Is that a John Deere product and do you have a model # ?
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It is a remanufactured planter made from a larger Deere planter. So, Deere parts, but they never made a one row version.
@@TractorTimewithTim I have friend looking for one of those planters. That is why I was asking .
Tim, I'd like to till my grass and reseed, my question is after tilling should I use the soil pulverizer or something different to smooth and level it out before reseeding
Best is power rake...but too expensive.
Soil pulverizer is good.
Harrow is good.
Thank you,
I can rent a power rake for 150 per day,
Tim where did you get the power harrow? Where can you find them to buy here in the usa?
Good morning
Maschio.us has the dealer locator to find the closest dealer bi zip code or town.
If none very close, email acazzin@maschio.is Alex can send you one direct!
@@TractorTimewithTim , I saw that there 2 located in Indiana, did you have any problems getting equipment through either one of them?
I haven’t tried. Since I partner with Maschio, I get my equipment from the manufacturer directly.
@@TractorTimewithTim So does this mean you are a dealer for them?
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How do you like the R14 tires Tim? I've heard people say they're bouncy compared to R4 tires.
We have a large one. We use it on turf areas. We will bust and till with a tiller first the use the harrow to level and pack the seed bed.
Also in Europe it would probable be behind an orchard tractor like a Deere 5075gl... much bigger than yours but about the same width
Do you feel you need a bigger tractor to operate this harrow to its full potential. Will it strain a 39hp kubota?
L3901? Should be ok.
It’s a 3902 but yeah just a newer version the 3901
We race dirt bikes and all the big tracks have these mashio harrows to prep the tracks
Congratulations! 3902 is nice improvement.
The only issue with this harrow is that it might not fully cover your tire tracks…and I’m not sure you could handle the next size up.
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Question on the Milky Way Triple sweet corn. Is that where caramel comes from? Asking for a cow. I tried explaining it to her but all she ever says is "moo".
Interesting tool. I could see where it could help in blending soil types too. like adding potting soil to an area of normal soil.
You can’t beat a plow and disk the old way...
Looks like your soil is fairly free of rocks. I’m constantly churning up rocks from 1 - 2 inches with my traditional tiller which makes quite a racket. I wonder how it would work in rocky soil?
As long as your weren’t pulling up big rocks you’d be fine
it would be great if you could add a drop seeder between the roller, you could harrow, seed and press the seed in with the cultipacker part.
Finally a name KT 👌
This power-harrow reminds me of the blue handheld "garden-claw" we have for twisting weeds out of the ground because of the vertical rotating "rakes". But on a bigger scale. Some might not like it, but I like how it twists the weeds out and lays them on top. It makes it easy to go in with a rake and rake them into a pile. If the weeds are young enough you shouldn't have to worry about it reseeding itself as the seeds themselves aren't developed. I'd find something like this useful, but I don't have a tractor nor the land for such a thing. :)
Really interesting tool! I think just from looking at it that I'd prefer the tiller, for the greater versatility and bed-busting ability for fresh ground. This seems like a tool that doesn't scale down to this level very well, might work a lot better as a somewhat larger tool, on a larger tractor.
Very interesting, thanks for the video, Tim!
Wow, really cool implement!
I'll throw in a suggestion for your next year corn seed; Vision corn. I live in the Corn capital of Canada and the local farmer who has won best tasting corn 3 out of the last 5 years at our cornfest swears by Vision corn.
Even though it leaves the weeds out it would be much easier to use chemicals on them now that the roots are exposed. Like any other plant it’s going to get route shock so I’m sure if he came back and did it again in a few days it would get almost all of them. It’s kind of a bummer it doesn’t work inside because it seems like that would be a great way to tear up a yard full of weeds in the fall and hit it with weed and feed and then recede it after a rain with the grass you want. It seems like it would also be a great way to deal with scalping well aerating your lawn with that roller in the back.
I really have no use for one but I still want one. 😂
Thanks for the video Tim ! I love the concept of a power harrow and vertical tillage. Problem is they seem to cost 2x as much as a regular tiller 💰😰. Have you ever seen a “Lely Roterra” ? They were used a lot around here for secondary tillage and seedbed prep here in the 80’s before no till. Farmers could rig them up with a cultipacker and a drill behind them. They made a beautiful seedbed ! Basically the same as a smaller power harrow.
Yep. Saw them in the 80’s. They never took off because of too much maintenance, and required too much tractor to pull a decent sized one.
Wearing the JD cap, I'm surprised that Kubota even wanted to move. :-)
I really like that power harrower over a tiller. Tim I can’t remember. Have you ever done a video using a gear drive tractor vs a hydro to see if there is much difference. I thought of it after you said going faster pulled down the rpm’s on the Kubota. I wonder if it makes a difference.
It depends, but usually with a pto application like this, the pto consumes the majority of the power anyway. If you're using the drawbar, hydrostatic has a small efficiency penalty.
One problem a gear drive has, is its hard to go slow enough for the tiller to do its thing, unlike a hydro can
@@harmab2 my 3033R power reverser has low med and high range with 12 speeds. It has plenty of gears to choose from when using any implement.
nice implement. I wonder if it will help me with old cow pasture that has been torn up.
Love the channel keep up with the great content.. I’m debating between JD 3046R and JD 4052M Heavy Duty currently .. but enjoying your channel daily
I would recommend sticking with the R series. I think you could upgrade the 4R with the HD features!
I would also stick to the R series you will be much happier.
Would this be an attachment that would be used in addition to a conventional tiller?
Seems one would still require a conventional tiller to work composted manure in to a bit deeper level, but maybe not?
I suspect this could work composted manure in well. It could work much deeper than we are showing. We intentionally kept it on the most shallow setting.
Christy does a great job behind the camera but we miss her out front. Good to see you, Christy. Hair is getting long. Take care.
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Greetings from italy😁
We will be visiting Italy very soon!!
@@TractorTimewithTim that sounds epic, hope you’ll enjoy the country. Farm lands are totally different here. Anyway i really appreciate your videos😁
I have a walk behind tiller that works with vertical tines, there are 2 of them, arranged like in an egg beater. This thing works very well in a nice and stone-less soil. It is supposed to keep the vertical gradation of your soil which is supposed to be better for the plants and ground organisms. However, I have stones in my soil and anything bigger than a golf ball will get stuck in the tiller and bog the engine. It is also a pain to remove the stone stuck between the two tines. I used this tiller for 2 seasons, then I was tired of stopping every 3 feet to unstuck the tines. This tiller have been sitting in my shed ever since.
Once you get done with the harrow you could run the power rake and get the weeds out of the garden area
Looks something like the Lely Rotera, back in the 1970s used a 12 foot Rotera with a jd 7000 bean planter/ seeder with a bridge hitch on a 115
hp ford 8600 tractor. I could spray into Rotera tines with herbicide or spray after behind the seeder. Worked really nice. I went directly after the plow tractor. Took all the power that tractor had at 3.5 mph. Had to replace tines every 300 acres.
Yep. Too much maintenance!
The constant loud whine from the transmission on those Kubotas would drive me crazy. The BX models seem to be just as loud. Granted, all hydrostatic transmissions emit a slight whine but for some reason the Kubota tractors seem unusually loud. It's even worse on the cab models.
I agree! I can hear my neighbors Bx half a block away.
Maybe go over it with a landscape rake after to pull the weeds off of the tilled area
First! Great way to start a Sunday
We use power harrows instead of cultivators in the uk, very popular as it’s a one or two pass machine after ploughing
could you run a rake or something over it to get all the roots and such? also do you have a suggestion on how to deal with a yard full of trash and broken glass using a tractor?
Power rake!
I'm going to take the credit for KT's name, since I suggested it back when you first got the tractor! And there is no way you could have come up with it on your own! haha :)
Works for me, DA!
So the planting has started. I see lots of little corn plants in the fields peeking out of the ground. Christy was right, you started at the end nearest the house. The power harrow did a terrific job on the soil, what is the maximum depth it will go?
I planted sweet corn but rabbits have eaten 70% of it. They dug under my rabbit fence.
You can use that stinky rabbit spray. It works.
Still time to replant.
@@TractorTimewithTim That may work on my Sunflowers I have. The bunnys get them before You get to see flowers and no the 6 ft varieties
Tim , have you ever considered trying out a “Perfecta” Field Cultivator . A lot of vegetable farmers are moving away from tillers to them as the vertical tillage is more beneficial to the soil. They are made from 40’ to 4’ width. If you ever have a friend that could loan you a 4 or 5 foot Perfecta that would be a fun video to watch.
Do you know someone at the company?
Here at Germany the basic maschine in kombination with a Drill to prepare and seed at one pass with 10 foot wide. But its heavy and not for little Jonnys!
You might find a power harrow for Johnny if you look a little harder as the back roller on that unit looks heavy. I know you can get bigger power harrows in the UK that just have a rolling basket, which would be lighter than a spiked roller.
Just listening on the video. The 1025 r is noisy. I made a muffler and bolted it to the weight bad on the front
They leave your ground level, u can use them in hard ground but you have to adjust the depth with your roll and do a couple of passes. We call it chip hoeing when you do that