How To Fly With Suppressors And Firearms - Everything You Need To Know
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Traveling with guns and suppressors is simple and easy as long as you follow a few steps. Always follow local rules and regulations when it comes to transporting firearms or silencers. Most states treat silencers the same as firearms. Remember to keep a copy of your tax stamp with you.
If you're wondering how to fly with suppressors and firearms, they must be in a checked bag, in a locked hard, sided case, and declared to the airline.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:24 How to Travel with Guns and Suppressors
01:18 Crossing State Lines with Guns
01:56 Do You Need Your Tax Stamp?
02:29 Flying with a Suppressor
03:27 How to pack a gun case for flying
04:44 Ammo Storage
05:07 Should You Use TSA Locks?
06:04 Flying with Rifles
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Great info !! 👍 🤲
Thanks for watching!
FYI, just avoid all those “other” states. In fact, make sure you don’t spend any money there.
Good call!
punishing random business owners in a state is not an effective way to change the law
I've flown coast to coast with firearms close to 100 times and never had an issue. I fly exclusively with Delta and they always seem to have well-trained ticket agents that are very helpful. Also, they allow you to keep magazines loaded with ammo which is nice.
I've flown with suppressors a few times and the only airport I ever had issues with was Jacksonville, FL. I had boarded my flight and TSA came aboard and pulled me off the flight before we left the gate. I had a copy of my paperwork in the box with the suppressor and the TSA supervisor seemed to be upset that I had all my documents in order. No idea what he was looking for but once they looked at everything, Delta took care of me and even booked me in first class on a later flight (although it was not their fault at all).
I would say just look for airlines that have firearm policies you like and stick with them. I have heard other companies are not nearly as friendly as Delta when it comes to firearms and flying.
Thanks for sharing!
Man, handing an NFA item over to a TSA flunky would scare the hell out of me.
Thats why its best to use non-TSA locks, so you can be present.
@SilencerShop I don't think you can use TSA locks if you take their wording very literal. I think it used to say that only you should have a key to the lock, but they might've added something to say tsa locks are good now.
Here is reality on the Form 20. I am a retired federal officer. In 29 years as a federal officer (not ATF) I have NEVER EVEN ONCE heard of or seen a federal prosecution solely for failure to file a Form 20. If you have an approved Form 1 or Form 4 you’re good. A Form 20 (while technically needed u see travel rules) is just not a big deal. Just isn’t.
Also…local and state police do NOT HAVE ACCESS to the NFRTR. That means your Form 1 or Form 4 is what you show because if you don’t have that, no officer in the field can look it up. Even the dispatcher cannot look up access to the NFRTR.
Good call, and that is why we always recommend having a copy of your Form 4 with your suppressor.
@@SilencerShop Pro Tip: get out your phone and take a photo of your approved Form 4 or Form 1 and then email it to yourself. That way it’s always on your iCloud and your email. You’ll have access to it anywhere in the world!!!!! You can login on your computer to download it or your can show the officer on your phone. Take a color copy of your approved form to the FedEx Store and have them “shrink it”. That way you can also store a very small color copy of the form in your MagPul gun grip compartment and you can also stick a small color copy on your gun bag!!!!
Depending on the local or state LEO, they may have an officer/deputy working JTF with ATF/DOJ who may have access to the database.
You don't have to work LE to know that some LEOs will write citations for all sorts of things. We had one write up a bunch of us for shooting firearms on BLM property eventhough we weren't on BLM property. The judge knew it but it still cost pretty pennies and hours out of work as well as ulcers and other unnecessary stress.
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Great vid! Answered all my questions. Love this
Thanks for watching! Glad we could help.
A lot of good info thanks so much 😉👍
Glad we could help!
Re tracking, Android phone, I put both TILE & GALAXY tags in the case in case it needs to be tracked. Financially valuable stuff inside.
Thanks for the tip!
Specific rules on tsa and ammo is that it can’t be loose , or has to be in original packaging, also with regards to loaded mags, tsa does allow you to have loaded mags, but some airlines like American do not.
Good call, thanks for sharing!
It is crazy how there is no SOP with the TSA goons. A couple of years ago, I flew from DFW to Minneapolis with a declared handgun in my baggage. No issues at all leaving from DFW. A week later on my return trip from Minneapolis to DFW, I get called out to a screening room to open my luggage and secure firearm case to give a "show and tell" of my G48 to the boys.
Yeah, little rhyme or reason sometimes.
I’d recommend an Apple AirTag (or 2 or 3) well hidden just in case the whole thing goes missing…maybe 😅
We use them all the time!
The was the only reason I purchased AirTags
Great info. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I was very worried the first time I flew with guns, but it’s really not bad at all.
Thanks for sharing! It is really simple as long as you follow the correct rules.
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I just flew southwest last week and had all my ammo in my pmags. TSA just requires the ammo is stored in something that was designed to hold it and is fully enclosed. I didn’t see any requirements from southwest and have flown in this manner for years with no no issue
Some airlines wont care, others will. We dont want folks to have any issues at check in so we always recommend to the most common methods.
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2:39 do i need to keep a copy of my 1040 with it also?
4:14 flying with loaded magazines is ok with the TSA - just make sure none of the ammunition is loose/exposed… so mag covers, mag case/pocket, taped over, etc. They just don’t want loose ammo floating around.
some airlines will allow it, others will not. We recommend the option that is most safe so folks aren't out of luck upon arrival. Great info and thank you for sharing!
How long does it usually take for the docusign email? Ordered just over a week ago haven’t heard anything since.
Usually just a couple days, send our support team an email!
Flying SW Air to move tax stamp items to another state, asking at check-in, was told the Pelican case would exit via carousel- but had to go to the lost luggage office, to retrieve it.
Larger cases will often go to the lost luggage section, which is actually pretty nice.
@@SilencerShop My case was the Pelican carry-on hard-sized case. Inside, a 300 block out SBR receiver, and six suppressors, copies of all text stamps and the basic document for the trust. Late March 2020, only seven passengers total on the plane - COVID. Nice!
I had issues in 2023 with FL and LA airports not letting me be present when they search my case. They made me give them the key and then inspected my gun case in another room. Previously I had flown with no problems and they would do an "inspection" in the checked bag lane or have me move to the end away from normal spots where they would inspect it. I was pretty pissed that I could not look back into my case and make sure they didn't steal anything.
Thank you for sharing your experience, that is partially why we recommend non-TSA locks and tracking devices.
Super weird that was your experience in FL too! That is the only state I've ever had issues with. Were you at the Jacksonville airport?
@@dawho123 I am pretty sure it was Tampa or Orlando. Something changed in their SOP because the Monroe LA airport inspected it at the counter the same year and later that year inspected it behind closed doors and wouldn't let me reopen it.... Had to wait until I landed in FL to make sure nothing was stolen.
@@biggwigg338 Yeah the TSA supervisor took my box and wouldn't let me be there while he opened it after I gave him the key. It felt weird because any inspections while flying with regular firearms from TSA were always with me present. Not sure what difference it made with having a suppressor and me being able to observe the inspection process.
Do the single shot trusts seem to be going as quickly as the individual filings as of now?
Pretty close, yeah. We've seen many approvals in less than a week.
I am glad SilencerShop is answering comments here. My dealings with them leave me thinking they are a bunch of know-it-all punks that won't listen and don't do anything to fix their problems.
Howdy JLN, we're here to help as much as possible. If you're having issues please send an email to our support inbox!
When traveling out of state with an SBR and filling out the ATF paperwork I believe it asks for your destination. How does it work if you are stopping in multiple states?
Best to fill it out for each state you'll be staying in.
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Can you drive through a state that doesn’t allow suppressors if your final destination is a state that allows suppressors? Going from PA to VT comes to mind.
There are laws that are deigned to protect you when passing through states, but always check with local officials.
What if you are driving through a state that doesn't allow suppressors? I live in Wisconsin, and let's say I was traveling to Virginia, do I have to go around Illinois, or can I drive through?
There are laws that are supposed to protect traveling through a state, but always verify with local authorities.
What about NFA Trust docs? SS only mentions taking copies of Form 4s. But the Form4 only lists the Transferee as the Trust. So, I can see anyone asking for a Form 4 saying “well, how do I know you’re a part of this Trust?”
If your silencer is on a trust, you should also have a copy of the trust documents.
And the problem whenntheynsay manufacturer original package is what if i buy loose bulk ammo that comes in a ziplock bag?
In that case I would use the plastic reloading cases, like demonstrated in the video
I had a 2A attorney give counsel telling me that in addition to a copy of the form 4 on your person when you were carrying an NFA item, you should also have a copy of the trust on your person, if the item was registered that way.
Is this the guidance you folks suggest as well?
(I am in the progress of buying my first using the Single Shot Trust. All my others were bought as an individual)
Thanks
Yes as your Form 4 will have the Trust name on it. Not yours. Your SinglenShot Trust will tie you to the Silencer. You usually get your Trust around the same time as your Docu Sign and it'll all be stated in there.
@@Keep_It_Loaded Super - Thanks.
I got the Docusign and trust 2 days after the online purchase, but still have not seen the ReadyToCertify email after nearly 3 weeks. (I made sure the item I bought was in stock, and I used a gold level SS dealer) - I suppose the ATF will get around to approving the form 3 eventually.
Yes, if it is filed as a trust, a copy of the trust should be kept along side it.
i always thought TSA locks were required on a gun case. Will check again
Nope. I just used a couple brinks padlocks from the hardware store when I flew to Vegas for SHOT via Delta Airline. Case just has to be hard sided and lockable. Can even use the original mfg case if its lockable. I just used a flambeau cheapy from Dunhams. You do have to put a lock on each part of the case that is provisioned for a lock though.
Not required, we recommend using non-TSA locks.
Federal regulations specifically requires that you were the only person with the key. If they tell you to use a TSA lock, that's a violation of Federal regulation. That said, they are pretty gray on what the actual regulation states, so you may have to follow their instructions, like "give me the key", which is a violation, but you won't go anywhere, if you don't.
I’ve always been told I had to use TSA locks on the case? Now I’m curious as to the actual rules.
They are not required.
If suppressors require the extra tax stamp and background check. Then why do they let you freely move around with it when the other stuff requires permission.
Don’t try to make sense of gun laws. It doesn’t exist.
Suppressors are specifically exempt from Form 5320.20
Get an air tag. I prefer flying with a gun after my first experience doing so going to SHOT this year. Way easier than standing in line at the carousel. Just go to the oversize bag claim and get your bag. Bag goes straight from the check in, thru secondary security and then on the plane. No getting lost in the maze of baggage conveyors.
Air tags are worth their weight in gold when comes to traveling with guns.
How exactly do you unload a suppressor?
haha! We were referring to firearms, but, also ummmm make sure your high caliber clipaznines arent inserted into your fully semi automatic silencer.
What good does a Bluetooth tracker do if you get separated from your luggage? You are unlikely to be within Bluetooth range.
We use AirTags, which create a sort of mesh network.
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Are you supposed to get an original tax stamp with your suppressors? I’ve bought 4 so far and I just get photo copies from you guys..
At some point ATF started issuing electronic tax stamps, from which I received color copies from the FFLs. On the stamp in ink, ATF agent writes the serial number of the item, their initials, and the date of approval
Wow. Really? No more actual stamps!
Is this true?
eForms will only have the digital PDF, older paper forms were actually a mailed stamp.
Just a digital copy now.
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Hahaha, silencers, suppressors, cans, whisper pickles, we use all the names.
What about layovers? For example flying from a free state to AK?
Alaska is good to go! If you're worried about a layover in a west coast state, there are laws that are supposed to protect transit through a state, but we recommend direct flights when possible.
I would recommend not saving it on your phone because if you are having to show it to someone they are gonna take your phone to look at it. Don’t want to be giving out your unlocked phone
Phone is more of a back-up plan, that way you always have it on you.
Can a responsible person travel with another's suppressor?
If you are a responsible party on a trust, you "own" all of the assets on that trust.
@@SilencerShop thanks for the reply. I misspoke. What I meant to ask w, could the "supporting trustee" from a Single Shot Trust travel with the suppressor out of state? Legalities are sometimes confusing.
pretty sure i dude got his handgun stolen by an airline after he checked it in... hope it doesn't become a trend
Dude if you are in Texas why worry about all that just carry how you want to and takenit with you when you are out if your vehicle for good that day and just secure it like you would your firearm. I would just open carry andnnot worry about it. And lock my can up in the gove box that locks or something like thatnwhennits not on my firearm.
What is it with commercial gun YT channels having random AT4's in the background? Is that a real registered DD?
We just think its neat.
10 years not one airline made me take my ammo out of mags
That's awesome, some specifically request it
Never use your phone to provide documentation to the police. While carrying paperwork may be an additional burden, so is having your phone seized for whatever reason they want to make up.
Phone is more of a back-up plan, that way you always have it on you.
What do you do if you have to move back to a non freedom state?
Don’t
Don't. But if you have to we have a blog on "Moving with a suppressor" that should help you out.
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