AMD's RX 7800XT... It's got some issues...
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2023
- The 7800XT from AMD is here! BUT they made some changes to the lineup that make this card more confusing for consumers than it needs to be...
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Finally, a complete gpu generation where I'm not tempted to upgrade. Wait... that's a bad thing isn't it?
Uhhh... I guess it depends what your current GPU is? I have a 3080 thats almost 3yrs old now, still runs like a beast - and given what I paid for it (in the era of GPUs costing wayy too fucking much), I'm quite glad and don't think I'll need to upgrade for another 2 years, depends if 5xxx is any good I guess, if its liike the 4xxx then it'll be fine for even longer LOL (I got it 'cheap' for about $1200 USD rounded, noting its the New Zealand/Australia market, which is much like the Canadians but even worse for being fucked in the arse.- They got up to $1700 USD for a 3080 here...)
Though, my laptop went bust 22mths in, full refund of that + sold a Flesh&Blood (like Magic) card so didn't cost me any extra, GTX1070 / quad core laptop, to a R7-5800X, 32gb 3600mhz, rtx3080 blablabla so, 0 complaints regardless.
This. I purchased the warranty on my 3090 rtx with full intentions on upgrading to 4090 RTX or swapping to AMD if they impressed me enough. But there is no point.
Based on the spec, looks like 6800xt is pretty level with 7900xt rather than 7800xt. Pretty sketchy from AMD
@@farhannajme7542 What? the 7800XT is about 5% faster or so than the 6800XT. The 7900XT is far faster than either of them?
@@icetrey8662 I mean, The 4090 certainly is impressive! Absolutely blows every card on the market including it's close sibling the 4080 out the water with raw performance! Price is obviously another thing, If it's never worth it to you then you are completely in the right zone to not bother changing to it or anything else from your 3090, But if price isn't an issue, The 4090 would be one hell of an upgrade that would see you good for years to come. I'm just being factual, Doesn't mean I can afford one lol Otherwise I frigging would! Yeah sure it's crazy money but at least you can't be disappointed cause you have card that eats games for breakfast and dinner with no competitor.
The naming suggests this is a successor to the 6800XT. AMD says it's a successor to the 6800 (non-XT). Performance and Navi 32 Die suggests it's a successor to the 6700XT. Decent card for the price, but the naming is off. Thanks for calling that out, Jay
And what’s more important? Performance per dollar spent, or performance per model number?
@@rdspam Performance per dollar is absolutely important but the model number is supposed to be an easy way to set expectations, and it's clearly being messed with this generation from both major GPU manufacturers.
@@rdspamhonest advertising and not misleading customers is more important....
There is also the fact that the Navi 32 die can hold the Navi 31 MCD - essentially allowing for as many CUs as a Navi 31 GPU while having a memory limit. From what I can tell, the 7900 GRE and the 7800 XT use the navi 31 MCD on the Navi 32 die. The 7700 XT, as far as I am aware, uses the true navi 32 die.
If we also consider inflation, the improvement over the MSRP pricing of the 6000 series at launch, the value improvement is actually very significant. 500 USD today is equivalent to about 440 when the 6700 XT first launched at 480, and the 7800 XT is around 40-45% faster than the 6700 XT, with 33% more Vram. 500 USD today is also equivalent to about 425 USD back in 2020 when the 6800 XT launched at 650 USD, which is equivalent to about 770 USD today (which is what the 7900 XT, the true successor to the 6800 XT, is going for).
Taking inflation into account, the value improvement over the original MSRP pricing of the 6000 series is very significant, about 50% improvement compared to the 6800 XT, and even more than that compared to the 6700 XT. The 6700 XT launched at a bloated price during the GPU shortage, but the originally planned price was probably still about 400-430, and the 7800 XT at 500 still offers about a 33% improvement in performance per dollar over that hypothetical price, and also has 33% more Vram and a newer architecture with some feature improvements.
Of course, income hasn't kept pace, on average, with inflation, which sucks, but that's (mostly) not AMD's fault, unless Lisa Su is secretely running the global economy XD
Valid points made, but I'm loving my 7800XT and I got it for less than $500 USD which is around the price of a new 6800XT (which are sold out at my local store). For people like me coming from a much older card (1660ti), I think the value and performance are there and the difference is night and day.
I just got myself the card upgraded from rx 580!
I wanted to ask you if you have ran in to ANY problems with anything? or to specify with [chrome] videos? For me it seems videos contrast is super weird and hard to watch some videos
also it might be a dx11 thing
Same! I can get the 6800 XT but its the same price as the 7800 XT. Coming from a laptop Nvidia 1650
@@thedragonknight8061 Sorry for the delayed reponse...so far no problems on my end.
@@phi11ysphinest no problem thanks
Same coming from a 1050ti laptop the 7800xt is gonna kill for my build
This is actually the perfect mid-range card of this generation with pricing coming back to affordability.
I just bought it on sale for 300 I hope it’s worth it
@@coalt6395 where were you able to find it for 300?
@@harry7747 lol they actually just canceled my order and jacked the price up so it probably wasn’t suppose to be on sale
@@coalt6395 lol rip, 300 for this card would’ve been such a steal
@@harry7747 ikr to good to be true
Thank you Jay for comparing to a 5700XT, I have one and am considering an upgrade.
Same here. 😉
What a coincidence! I have a 5700G and am looking to upgrade as well.
Me too lmao
but also im playing starfield on ultra at around 60 frames so im happy with my 5700xt!
Still a really good card, tha t 5700 XT. Its the card I started taking AMD seriously. It beat a RTX 2070 and such for less $
I have the 6800 non xt. It overclocks like a beast, just slide everything all the way over and no loss in performance, doesn't crash, doesn't run hot, it's two slot design (why I chose non xt) fits perfect in the fractal terra case... I can't be happier with it.
You got the best perf per watt card in that generation. 👍
Happier and happier with my 6800 too seeing these test results!
I have my RX 6750XT OCed to 2820 and a UV of 1160 Volts and 2300Mhz VRAM with Fastest Timings and I get excellent performance at 4K with Starfield and Cyberpunk 2077 (using FSR quality and SAM) on Custom High
Same. Just upgraded from a 5700xt and got Starfield premium for free. Considering I've put a couple dozen hours in it already, it's a much better value, imo
You might have had a golden sample with how much you ramped it up
Idk to me it seams like a better value then a 4070
One thing to note amd driver updates improve gpu performance overtime so i would asume the 6800xt is with the latest drivers which has enhanced its performance since its release and I would expect the same from 7800xt
@@dreaper5813But Windows has the most users that will use the 7800XT for gaming.
Stopid mindset, i buy today gpu for today need, not 2 years later with improved driver😅
@@nikosensei1258 so, you'd rather have a slightly better but overpriced nvidia card that won't improve at all and see this one overtake it and still cost less? all OP is saying is AMD optimizes their cards over time MORE than other companies, obviously nvidia and intel also improve their card performance over their respective life cycles
why can't they work out of the box ?
@@kennethpereyda5707 Over time they learn about their own gpu with real time data and implement it to further enhance it's performance, you cannot speculate how the card will perform against a game that releases next year. Whereas nvidia really doesn't improve performance wise and stay the same.
Jay, I'm so glad I found your channel so many years ago. I appreciate all of you guys and the work you do. Thank you so much!!!!
Wished we could see a 6950xt here since merc 319 is like 40-50$ more than this red devil 7800xt
6950xt Would blow the 7800 xt out of the water.
Have one and its amazing 🥰
Yeah, go look at Hardware Unboxed's video of the 7800xt, and you'll see the 6950xt beats it in EVERY test they ran. Super happy with my purchase. Picked one up while they were in stock for $619 and got the Starfield premium edition with it.
@@kylesparrow9996 Thank god, I thought I was going to regret not waiting a couple of months extra.
I think they're only really showing here cards that are available new? Not sure, at least in my country there are no available 6950XT
Thank you for including the 5700 XT. I still run this graphics card and after a power outage a few months ago it has some weird stuff happening, so I'm currently looking for a new graphics card (but power usage is a very important factor for me)
I traded this car for 6700xt because it was better for mining, and I just wanted to play games and have a bit cooler pc. You have a great card
Great video and awesome that you added the 5700xt, thats what i am using and was wanting a upgrade so this definitely helps seeing the comparisons
I don't mind the 3080 card being on there. More data = better. Not to mention before I went AMD, I sometimes had a hard time comparing Nvidia and AMD by model numbers, and I know a lot of people that know only Nvidia cards, so it gives a frame of reference.
At 3:26 there is a little mistake with the RX 6800 XT. Its a Navi21 not Navi22.
And as always super informative upload Jay
Thank you for including the 5700 XT in the charts! It seems AMD is targeting the Radeon 5000 series and GeForce 20 series card owners with the latest cards. I typically skip generations before upgrading so the double in performance vs the 5700 XT is perfect for me.
I'm coming from a 2060 and expect to really like my 7800 xt that's on the way. Just nervous about getting medium local llm's running on it if I do want to mess around with that stuff and see what I can make
@@PineyJustice I've dual booted Ubuntu in the past. I'll get another SSD once the card shows up. Might windows vm inside of Linux to get my music production stuff running simultaneously so I can have an AI generate backing music for live improvisation streams
@@BKDenied Lutris has gotten insanely good at running windows apps. Might give that a go.
@@PineyJusticeLess than a hour if you're not OCD af like am and have to have everything perfect 😂 before you play
@@gokublack8342 I walked a friend through installing lutris, went from a blank hdd to playing diablo 4 in lutris as well as having working steam in under an hour
Keep in mind that the 6800XT is using optimal drvier/bios updates, the 7800XT diver/ bios updates have not been optimized to its fullest potential...yet.
So why released it, by your logic its good gpu in a year??😅
@@nikosensei1258already the 7800xt has widened the gap between the 6800xt after 1 driver update.
@@nikosensei1258it’s a good gpu now but a better gpu in a year
I think if they marketed and sold this as a non XT it would be a lot better received. Then they would be able to later release the actual xt model. However, for the price to performance it seems like a great deal
I feel as time moves on the drivers for the 7800xt will bring us better performance because it's a new card there might still be performance to be had.
FSR3 is also the thing that can improove significantly
I am planning on building with the 7800xt(I got a reference model before they sold out thankfully) and am upgrading from a 1070ti so for me the difference between 7800xt and 6800xt as an upgrade for me are kinda negligible considering AMD is good about improving cards through driver updates so I am frankly happy with my decision to wait for the release of the 7800xt despite the naming confusion and mildly lack luster improvement over last-gen.
Don't want to rain on your parade, and that is going to be an enormous upgrade from what you previously had, but never buy a product on the promise of updates making it better in the future.
@@muddystick being honest I don't think future driver updates were really the reason for me getting the card specifically more so AMD's good history of solid driver updates , the primary reason I went for the 7800xt was price to performance (Nvidia imo has gone insane with pricing and the 7800xt looked like good value) regardless of what I got it would be an upgrade though I was purposefully avoiding Nvidia for a multitude of reasons (at this time I do not see them really making any real effort in the gaming space, they will likely focus more on AI which is more profitable while also not really having anything that anchors them in the market the same way AMD does as AMD makes the cpu and gpu for both PS5 and Xbox right now).
I also likely planning on upgrading from a 1080 by building a new system with a 7800xt (non-reference sadly but it is still 790 vs a 4070’s 950 bucks in my country). What CPU are you going with, or are you reusing your old one?
Same here, upgrading from a 1050 ti and was happy to wait for the 7800xt, considering price, performance and the sf bundle. Great.
Sure, if u own a 6800xt, why upgrade. But honestly, who, for real, is upgrading every generation anyway, putting their old stuff on ebay etc. As long as the stuff u do is working well enough, thats just for show. And not for the 10 extra fps
@@bjoernuhligthat isn’t the problem, the problem is that you could have gotten a even better card at the same price but AMD(and nvidia) decided that was not the case. That’s why these cards are always compared to last gen, to see how they have improved.
Thanks Jay for doing a comparison of the 6800 xt and 7800 xt from the same manufacturer ! I do think it matters a lot.
Though, non XFX 6000 series cards are rare or marked up way too much where I'm from so I think the 7800 xt is a good compromise, that's gonna be different for everyone but at the end of the day what matters is what's available in your budget when you're able to buy.
In the past 6 years there has been almost no difference between the 3rd party cards, unless it was a model that sucked, the rest were within 0-3% difference from each other.
@@ivankovachev8835 yeah that's what I figured, my comment was mostly about comparing a 3rd party vs reference gpu
You forgot to talk about a big point between the 6800XT and 7800XT: power usage! The 7800XT uses at least 100W LESS than the 6800XT in most games, so that's less heat and a smaller PSU. For 500$, this is a great deal and were have the perf with it at 2k res.
Where do find this Information?
Now, four months later, I am experimenting like many other users on many different forums, unexpected crashes while playing games. After over 2 months of trying to find out why, my conclusion is - like Jay said at the start of this video - the card is just overheating. I have pinpoint this to when the gpu's hotspot go passed 70C, crashes can occur. I am using an AMD reference card paired with a 5950X and Aorus Master X570.
Its probably your psu. I don't believe 7800xt uses less power as you mentioned before, you might be misinformed. And 70C for a hotspot is quite cool. They dont throttle until probably over 100C@@Traumatree
Yeah, it's definitely underwhelming, however taken into consideration that the 6800xt has seen a lot of extra performance added to it from drivers over the years - it's probably fair to expect the 7800xt will also see the same thing happen in the next couple of years.
I am still happy with my 6800xt reference either way.
I think you're spot on Jay ... they could have given us a bigger jump in performance and not skimped on the cores etc. Shouldn't have cost too much more.
Then buy a 7900XT
@@Albertomor4321 I hear you I'm just saying it looks like they held back. Very incremental and doesn't seem worth the upgrade.
@@Albertomor4321 seems like you failed to read the "cost" sentence, or generally understand the point of the complaint
Hey Jay and team, a small accessability note - I'm colorblind, protanopia, aka red/green colorblind. The colors of your charts (i.e. at 8:56) are almost impossible for me to distinguish, colorwise. They look nearly identical. I have to judge which is which by their position. Just something to maybe take in to consideration. love the channel overall, first 7800 xt review video i've watched, even though I sub to gamer's nexus as well.
God bless
Hard to please everyone but hope they listen!
Just want to point out, I bought my 6950 XTX at that same price. So it's worth looking at even higher rated cards. This actually made me super happy with my purchase lol.
I bought a 6900xt Toxic with AIO after my GTX 1070 died and I'm freaking THRILLED with what I've got.
Unless I'm willing to spend $1000+ any upgrade is pretty pointless.
Ya, that's an absolute unit of a card.
It's very close in performance and uses about half the power. Fine for some but not everyone wants a 400+ watt gpu.
I too bought my XFX 319 6950XT a few months ago, it’s a beast of a card and I only paid £585 brand new off Amazon. Seems such a better deal in comparison to these cards
@@scott4207 7800xt is about 10% slower than a 6950xt but it's using half the power.
Over time, I believe the card name/price ratio (or whatever you want to call it) has gotten well out of hand. While it's disappointing to see marginal performance improvements generation over generation, I think this card's pricing (and newer pricing on the 7900xt) bring us more in alignment with 2016-ish card name/pricing conventions.
They only appear marginal, because AMD and especially Nvidia shifted the naming scheme by 1-1.5x tiers. The 7800XT(346mm^2 die size) is the successor to the 6700XT(335mm^2 die size), NOT the RX 6800XT(520mm^2 die size). But if they called it a "7700XT" people would be mad that it costs 500$, while the 7700XT should have been called the 7700 non-XT and is the successor to the RX 6700 non-XT.
And the prices are horrible, the 7800XT should cost 400-430$, while the 7700XT should cost 350-380$.
Here is how it goes for Nvidia:
The rtx 4060 is a 30/40 class card, marketed as 60 class card sold for 60 class prices
The rtx 4060Ti is a 50 class card, marketed as a 60Ti class card sold for 70 class prices.
The rtx 4070 is a 50Ti class card, marketed as a 70 class card, sold at 80 class prices.
The rtx 4070Ti is a 60 class card, marketed as a 70Ti class card, sold at 90 class prices
The rtx 4080 is a 70 class card(389mm^2 vs rtx 3070 392mm^2), marketed as an 80 class card sold at insane prices
The rtx 4090 is an 80 class card, markted as a 90 class card, sold at ludicrous prices...
So here are how prices go:
4060 8GB - 220$
4060Ti 8GB - 270$
4070 - 350$
4070Ti - 420$
4080 - 600$
4090 - 900 -1000$
Anything more is unacceptable
Upgrading from a EVGA 2080 Super, the 7800 XT hit the sweet spot for me and my Bidenomics driven gaming budget. Ok, so it's roughly the same price and performance as the 6800 XT *right now*, but I suspect there's more headroom in Navi 32 as the drivers mature, and it'll be supported longer. That matters as I upgrade slowly these days, my 2080 Super will be 4 years old next month. New Egg has my XFX 319 Merc on the way, just sad that I already paid for the Starfield Premium last week.
Navi 31 has been in the market almost a year. Driver improvements are over at this point. Result was a small uplift in less than 5 new games that are commonly benchmarked. See Hardware unboxed 7900 xt re-review for the details. They seemed disappointed by the lack of driver improvement in most games.
ty jay and team for the hardwork. Very good and informative Video.
Jay one of your graphs show Navi 22 for the 6800 XT. That card has Navi 21
Wait, you’re disappointed that this card got a price cut and slightly better performance ?
I appreciate the review. I still have a 1070 TI and need to upgrade soon. From a pure rastorization side of things. The 7800xt seems like the best value for a new card for me. Plus AMD does age fairly well in terms of performance.
I have a 1080 and no intention to upgrade
@@beri4138I have a 1080 but it has problems running BG3 smoothly, and is why I’m planning on upgrading. Why are you not upgrading?
@@JK-xn4mj All games I'm interested in run well enough for me
@@beri4138wise decision
@@JK-xn4mjtry to check your cpu still bg is more of a cpu limited game and there are known performance issues in the last act still pending optimization updates
even though this is marketed as a 1440p card (and i also think its the resolution that makes most sense), i dont understand why almost no reviewers compared 4k data this time especially against the 6800xt which was a "4k card". As 7800xt seems to usually scale better with resolution.
Nvidia fanboys that's why. If you show 4k results people will inevitably ask you to use DLSS on Nvidia because "it looks the same" at 4k. Which would artificially make the AMD cards look bad.
@dexter2392 i was very anti upscaling at first, and its still bad in some games and on lower res, but on 4k yeah I'd use it when possible. FSR is good as well, in like Hogwarts Legacy. Haven't really tested in many other games (in cyberpunk its ghosting, in cs2 and cod its shit on 1440p).
I have a 5600xt and though I definitely don't use it as hard for Gaming as I might of in the past, it definitely isn't a good productivity card and for what I'm doing is really starting to bog me down, so I'm going to upgrade this gen (likely the 7800xt) and that'll keep me for a while I hope!
bro just got the 7800xt today with a 7800x3d and im in love. i had a 5600xt as well. just sold it back to microcenter
so did you buy 7800xt?
@@slimlily yea i did, works great and ill just return it and buy the 7900xt when it drops in price in a few years
@@dashm33 bud which one should I go with rtx 4070 or Rx 7800xt and how AMD gpu build quality can it will be last 4-5?
@@slimlily yea man I've had amd gpus for over 6 years. and also had great luck with Nvidia as well. and id say it really depends what your current build looks like and how much amd you already have/don't. they will always work running on different builds but you just want to try and have the most cohesive build you can get to minimize crashing and optimize frames. bottom line i don't think you'd be unhappy with either one just go with the one that is better for you price wise. if price is no problem then Nvidia is known for being the "higher quality GPU" compared to AMD (speaking in terms of performance) but AMD consistently wins with being a "gamer" friendly company allowing you to get great frames and still have the game look incredibly good with upscaling features allowing older, cheaper gpu's to still stand up and fight today
This is exactly what I was looking for, thankyou. I was really annoyed the GN review was showing one of the best 6800xt's against a reference 7800 xt. I think these cards both being from the same manufacturer is the best sort of comparison. I'm honestly disappointed. They seem to have cut this card down far too much. It seems more like a 6800xt refresh than a generational advance. For my part I'd rather see the 7800xtx sooner than later considering I've been needing a new graphics card and this one just isn't very exciting. It's about the same in games and WORSE in productivity than the last gen. WTF were they even thinking?... I guess we'll see what driver updates bring but I would have liked to see the kind of performance gains you see in cyberpunk across the board at the very least.
Surely the thing not considered here is the compatibility with HYPR-RX being an RDNA 3 product. Come early 2024 this will be able to run the vast majority of games with FSR3 and frame insertion at the driver level. I picked myself up an RX 6800 at a top price just before the RDNA 3 HYPR-RX announcement and was pretty miffed to miss out on that.
I just bought the 7800XT Red Devil. Glad you reviewed it. I think it's going to be a great card. It's clocked a little higher than the reference card. Going to try it in silent mode at first.
As a 5700XT owner, I definitely feel it's time to upgrade.
I really want to see 3, 6, and 12 month reviews of the cards.
And nice to see PowerColor cards being used.
When you adjust for inflation, the price/performance of this card is a lot better than the 30/6000 series. Price is less than the 3070
If I were u Id just wait for the 8000 series, I upgraded from 5700 to 6700 XT, decent jump but it feels not worth it when I am hyperfocused on games, the smootheness feels basically the same... I am skippin on these too and waitin for the 8000 or for Nvidia to get back to their sences, I dont care who makes the better bang for buck cards, I will buy those 😀
I have a 5700XT that I've had since nov 2020 and gaming at 1440. Unless my GPU dies I'm not upgrading to the 7800XT. Wait another gen at least. Or get a 7900 XT or XTX.
@@Ekstriplexeks I honestly want to see the 3 month in review of these to see how the drivers and optimizations proceed before I ultimately decide.
@@pepcorampouch4787 I doubt Nvidia will get back to their senses. All they have left to show for their product stack is overselling A.I., DLSS, and RTX. AMD by no means is doing any better with Ray Accelerators, FSR, and it's new A.I., but at least with AMD, I know the price tag is at least more on the reasonable side. I honestly wish all this rescaling technology bullshit would go the way of the Dodo and they'd push game developers to go back to real optimizations in games to make them run better properly rather than have a cheap rescaler do all the heavy lifting.
While I would wait for RX 8000, I highly doubt it would be worth the wait. The RX 6800XT has matured well and to be fair, I probably would buy one of them over an RX 7800XT due to the driver maturity, but to me it's an availability issue and lack of choice at this point is saying wait 3 months for the first 3 month review to take place before opening my wallet
I was either going to get this card when it came out with a starfield promotion or get a used 3070 ti at a much better price.
After seeing the review for this gpu and the reviews for starfield, im glad i got the 3070 ti
Thank you very helpful stats, I am weighing buying a board partner RX 7800 XT, very soon. I currently have an at the time £400 Gigabyte RX 5700 XT 8gb Gaming OC card so nice to see relatively good gains. I would like to see a head to head of these board partner cards. Noise, temperatures, and stability on windows 10 and Linux are even more important then relative performance. Naming is weird but if AMD named it the Pineapple it wouldn't put me off.
What are the issues? Couldn't find it in the video.
Thanks Jay for testing both 78 and 68 red devil cards. I have 57red devil and been thinking about an upgrade ( another red devil) and this will help me make my mind. 👏 Other reviewers test different models from different manufacturers, which as you know it's not apple's to apple's. Great work.
When it comes to pricing it feels like nature is healing. This generation was even less super than the 20xx generation. Here is to waiting out the next generation as well. I am feeling good about my 6800XT even if I overpaid back then.
Just remember, 7800XT are equivalent to 6800 non XT according to AMD thus the price. There will be XTX version later which will be the same or slightly higher price than 6800XT.
Thanks for the video Jay very informative. I looked at possibly getting a 7800xt But ultimately decided on the 4070 when I got a used gigabyte OC gaming for $520. Kind of glad I did
was considering this as a potential upgrade for my msi gaming x trio 6800 non "xt" as i game and record for youtube aswell as video editing workflow. so my question @JayzTwoCents is what is the best bang for buck alternative as the 7800xt is as you put it "lack luster", something thats not the top of the line as thats obv either a 4080/4090 or a 7900xtx but best performance for my use case for the money
As a 3070 owner I'm completely satisfied with it. It cost me $300 used and that was a bargain deal considering it's only about 20% slower than this gen's cards
The thing that annoys me the most with my 3070 is the 8GB VRAM. I enjoy this card since the end of 2020 for ~700€. It still slaps but more and more I feel the 8GB are just not enough. A game I really enjoy is Star Citizen and the game is already hitting spikes a little over 8GB of VRAM. This results in game freezes for a couple of seconds.
The 7800xt looks like the perfect upgrade in regards of more performance and 16GB of VRAM. for a lower price and I can still my 3070 for 400€. I remember the reason for Nvidia in 2020 was because of Cyberpunk 2077 and raytracing. Seeing where raytracing still is just makes me want to ignore Nvidias high pricing with low to mediocre results in raytraycing.
3:20 you called the 6800XT 22 when its 21
I think what I'm most curious about is if they managed to close some of that AI performance gap. I saw in the literature that they are *claiming* they did.
Got that card for a few days now and getting once a day a black screen crash without any error code, the pc restarts after few seconds and after that I can play without crashes… normallymit crashes within 10 mins of first time gaming… no idea if the card is faulty and I should return it or if its an driver issue…
It just feels like a refresh even if it is new. Looks like the days of GPU company's messing with us isn't over.
Ye teh fact it has less cores and ROPS and TMUS proves it, this was supposed to be teh 7700 XT and they are scalping you.
I think AMD weren't great with the name, but looks like a great card.
Got it to upgrade from my 6700XT, although side grading from a 6800XT doesn't seem to make that much sense, but looks like it will be a big upgrade from the 6700XT so I'm happy
This card is the upgrade to the 6700xt.
How do you like it compared to the 6700xt? I'm considering upgrading from mine
@@smoothestofbrains Basically double the FPS in 1440p games, was a huge surprise. Be aware that the founders edition cooler is trash, I got the XFX one and it is brilliant.
@@Arthur-jx8bmDamn really? The games I have the biggest issues with are Darktide and obviously Starfield. Idk if you play either. I'm just trying to decide on the 7800xt or go balls to wall and get a 7900xt.
@@smoothestofbrains I got starfield for free with my card, played a bit but not a lot and was getting consistently good FPS at ultra.
It dpeends on what you game on, if it's 1440p a 7800XT is more than enough, if it's 4K then maybe get the 7900.
Jayz,
Your link to the monitor at the end of the video doesn't work.
Thank you for this.
I was waiting for prices to come up and for this sort of review to make my purchase choice. I decided on the XFX SPEEDSTER MERC319 rx 6950xt because of local deal. I'm in Canada and right now the 7800xt prices are out but they are nowhere in stock. The cheapest price I've seen is 675 CAD, so that equals to about 495 USD, but again, not in stock. I found the 6950xt on sale for 840 CAD (~615 USD), and it is bundled with Starfield, which I want to play. If I factor in the price of the game, 130 CAD, then it's as if the 6950xt cost me 710CAD (~520USD). I'm happy because that card is sold out pretty much everywhere (as well as the 6800xt versions), but I was lucky to grab one at my local store (one of the few left in Canada with some stock).
The third party cards have been much more expensive than I expected. Can’t find a single card available at $500. For $550 or more I’d rather just get a 4070 even though it’s overpriced
You're talking about the US market or ?
@@blindguardian8599 Yeah US. Looks like things have changed at bit since I looked earlier today. Was mostly seeing at least $560 and up.
Feels odd that the newer one has fewer cores.
It's a 6700 XT successor. It uses a fully enabled mid-sized GPU. The 6800 XT uses a slightly cut down version of a large GPU.
500 USD today is equivalent to about 425 USD in 2020, when the 6800 XT first launched at 650 USD, which is equivalent to about 770 USD today, which is about what you can buy the 6800 XT's true successor for (the 7900 XT).
The 7800 XT is not a 6800 XT successor, it's a 6700 XT successor. The naming is dumb, but you have to consider that inflation has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years, and AMD can only take a small portion of the blame for that, unless Lisa Su is secretely running the global economy XD
The 7800 XT is using a mid-sized GPU, and it's launching at a similar MSRP to what the 6700 XT launched at. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD, and the 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT.
It's nothing new for previous gen graphics cards to be heavily discounted in price before many of the next gen cards replace them, and for them to have equal or better performance per dollar at those prices, yet many people are arguing things like "the 7800 XT offers little to no improvement in value per dollar over the previous generation", as if AMD is supposed to give us a major improvement in value per dollar over CURRENT pricing for the already heavily discounted 6800 XT (and other various heavily discounted 6000 series cards).
Do you need to like the price of the 7800 XT? No. It sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and you could argue that AMD does share some degree of blame for that, though certainly not most of the blame.
The 4070 is also somewhat underrated because people are failing to account for the higher than normal inflation that we've had over the past three years, and despite it having less Vram, which definitely is a disadvantage, DLSS is better than FSR, and the 4070 does have significantly better power efficiency, which is always going to come with a price premium, whether you like it or not, especially when the box says Nvidia on it. The better ray tracing performance of the 4070 should not be seen as very important, relevant, or practical, but it's also still a nice-to-have if nothing else. Advantage in productivity are totally irrelevant for most people, but that's obviously a huge advantage if you actually care about it, though there are still some productivity workloads which AMD GPUs are better at.
If 500 is still too expensive for you, then that sucks, because the 7700 XT is not worth considering at current pricing (even though it is fairly competitive against Nvidia alternatives). The 6700 XT is currently a potentially very good option at 330 USD, but stock will probably mostly run out long before the next generation comes out, and the 7700 XT is simply too close in manufacturing cost to the 7800 XT for AMD to ever want to give us a genuinely good deal on them. AMD definitely left a big gap between the 7600 (which is itself still over-priced at most retailers), and the 7800 XT, basically forcing people to buy previous gen, or used cards, if they want a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end graphics card, and Nvidia has also basically done the same thing, by offering poor value for everything other than the RTX 4070 (and the 4090 is arguably a good value as well, at least as far as ultra high-end cards go, but it's simply not going to be worth buying for the vast majority of gamers).
I recently upgraded from a PowerColor Red Devil 5700XT to a PowerColor Fighter 6800 (mostly because it's 300mm long and that fits in my setup) and loving it so far. Not looking to upgrade any time soon. Diablo 4 at Medium settings runs at 140 FPS.
So glad I grabbed a 6800xt on sale earlier this year. No need to upgrade for a few generations
I'm not gonna lie, this feels similar to the RTX 4080 12gb that became the 4070ti. The naming scheme is definitely getting too confusing from Radeon. And I say this as a semi-fanboy of team Red.
However, the pricing is still on point for the performance you're getting. Radeon continues to excel in price-to-performance. And Radeon didn't try setting the price of the card above it's bracket like Nvidia tried to sell the 4070ti as if it was an 80 class card
This is somewhat helpful. I would wish you tested with a RX 6950 XT as well, even though supply is limited with these cards. I would wanted to see if AMD used similar performance from the RX 6950 XT to build the newer 7800 XT because they usually try to build cards from a last generation to tier down.
i bought a 6950 xt two weeks ago and was thrilled but my psu was too weak and i didnt want to spend 250 usd for a psu to run a last gen card. in my country the 6950xt is 800 usd and 7900 xt is 1050-1100 usd. im thinking more about the 7900xt for the same price as 6950xt but will probably stay in the 700 usd for 7800xt.
Great review! just wondering, currently i'm still running a gtx1070 which is still oke for 1080p but what is the recommended upgrade to play 1440p?
4070 buddy
To echo the closing statement,
I bought both a 6800XT and 6950XT Recently. NEW From Amazon.
XFX 6800XT Merc Core was $490 w/ Starfield Premium.
XFX 6950XT Merc Black was $560 w/ Starfield Premium.
Undervolted them both and gained another 10~% performance while dropping power draw 10-25w.
Extremely happy that you addressed the chips and die sizes that don't match what the naming should be. The RX 7800XT is the successor to the 6700XT, but they didn't call it a 7700XT because then the price would seem too high. Same with the RX 7700XT it's the successor to the RX 6700 non-XT.
Good job to both AMD and Nvidia this generation, they managed to launch cards that made me think an upgrade was not necessary.
Nah y'all just believed you needed to upgrade when you didn't. This has always been a thing even with older generations. Even the 20 series remains a viable card.
@@blvckl0tcs750 Let's be honest here, the last generation cards that were actually worth upgrading to were RTX 1000 series.
@@markothevrba 1000 series isn't even RTX. Your statement now hangs void.
Jay, HUB found that the RedDevio they have was running a lower clock speed compared to the reference card they have.
picked up an Asrock 7800xt Phantom OC for $430 open box at Micro, I couldnt pass that up, love the card!
No Black Screen of Death issue? 😮
i'd be interested to see the performance gains from driver improvements over time. I know the 6000 series got massive improvements across the board as time went on, so i wonder how much further the 7800 will reach compared to the 6800
i remember some nvidia fanboy said the 7000 series won't get any improvement from driver updates, yet here we are.
Pretty sure the 7900 XT saw performance increases due to drivers as well. Like it went from around 10% faster than the card it was compared to (I think it was either the 6900 XT or the 6950 XT) to 20% faster.
@@icaruswindrune7116 all 7900 parts got a massive performance boost thanks to driver updates.
For my area here, the 6800xt goes still for higher than the 7800xt MSRP. North American GPU prices are lot more nicer compared to ones in Europe here.
For me personally on a RTX2070 that bottlenecks everything, 7800xt looks like a good deal. I don't plan on using a lot of RT in games, and it is cheaper than a 4070 and generally outperforms it. I think once they ho on sale here I will grab one.
i think you would be better off getting a used 3080.
@KamekoTsuruga They are going here for about the same as the 7800xt MSRP (not factoring in possible import tax). Locally they sell for more than the 7800xt. Given the 7800xt performs better except for RT, isn't used and comes with warranty and costs the same or is cheaper I rather go with the 7800xt. Prices for nVidia cards even used ones are ridiculous.
A lot of retail pricing makes no sense. Here in Canada the MSRP prices for the 7800 XT are starting to become available, and the pricing (before taxes) is the same as the USD MSRP pricing if you account for the exchange rate, at least with many models, but the 6800 XT has been significantly more expensive here than in the US for the past few months, at least for the most part, which just makes no sense now that the 7800 XT is coming out at 500 USD equivalent (as low as 675 CAD).
The 6800 XT here has been too close to the 4070, often around 550 USD or higher (equivalent in CAD), whereas the 4070 here in Canada is pretty much the same price as in the US, of 600 USD equivalent in CAD (before taxes). Some retailers have just been too stubborn with pricing because of how much they paid back during the GPU shortage, I think, and now that the 7800 XT is coming out here, they're going to have to drop prices even more or the 6800 XT just isn't going to sell when you can get a 7800 XT for significantly less.
You can also always find listings with just insanely inflated prices. This has always been a thing with videocards for more than 20 years, and I've never understood it. It doesn't matter what you paid for it, as a retailer, at some point you just have to drop prices or it's probably never going to sell, and then you'll eventually have to drop prices even more if you want to sell it.
@@cidiracing7481 im not sure why you would have to pay import tax on a locally used 3080..
i can definitely understand the argument for the warranty and getting a new product. its much more comforting.
@KamekoTsuruga The local used market is rather poor here and since the isn't a lot of competition there is very little competition there are no good deals. I would pay more for a used 3080 than a new 7800. And online a lot comes from the UK which brings a hefty import tax with it.
Never buying a second hand gpu card that be crazy.
wow... that was really informative, thanks Jay (and friends)..
for what it's worth, I'm actually getting a whole new gaming PC together for myself at the moment. so far I have the MSI Pro X670-P WiFi with a R5 7600X and 2x16GB Klevv DDR5, running a "placeholder" GTX1660 while I wait for my new GPU... ordered literally yesterday.. which just so happens to be a XFX Speedster MERC319 7800XT..... lol.
with all that said, I still feel like this turned out to be a good deal for me. the pricing locally (South Africa) still makes the 6800XT more expensive on average, along with similar-to-slightly-better performance with, as far as I can tell, much higher power draw.
I opted for an Antec HCG-850 Gold PSU, which I believe should put me in a good position overall to have both a damn decent system right now with these components, leaving some wiggle room for CPU/RAM/GPU upgrades in the future.
very curious to see how it handles my games though, because QHD may be 1440 pixels high, but it is not "1440p", at least not by typical benchmark measures. raw pixel count actually puts 3440x1440 somewhere closer to 4K.. that might be something worth factoring into these benchmarks, if possible.
ah, first-world problems in a third-world country... I love the irony of it. (:
as someone coming from a 1060, 7800xt is going to be a great upgrade so gen over gen improvement doesnt mean much to me personally, better to get the newest model imo
Without fail every product release, Jay always publishing a minute or two early to capitalize on those early notification views
Why you gotta call a brotha out like that? You should delete this comment
Not discussed, but should have been: power consuption.
any can say temp hot spot this GPU ?
Realistically I think the price is largely due to the 4070 actually being the sales king for Nvidia of the 40 series. 4070s have been selling very well. #3 on Amazon's best sellers (technically #2 because for some reason they put an anti-sag bracket in the list) and #2 on Newegg at time of posting. That's the competition and they wanted to try and cut the legs out by saying "we'll give you more rasterization and do it for a $100 less". It's not an argument that has ever worked before, but maybe this time. Realistically if they really wanted to move the needle? $450 would have been required I think, and even then your still just cutting into enthusiast market share, which I'm sorry guys, but we're a margin error in a quarterly report.
Edit: Oops, sorry, that's the 4070 TI at #2 on Amazon. Didn't even look that closely cause just assumed.. well yeah.
just ordered my 7800xt today :D sick of nvidia (have 2070 OC)
Meanwhile in Australia, the 7800XT is only $20 cheaper than the 4070 and the 4070 is a better bet for us IMO because the 4070 cards usually use less power and are physically smaller, not to mention Nvidia's superior features and more stable drivers.
And rx 7800xt is out of stock everywhere.
said mine would come in 10days But gone mine yesterday :P@@nareshfree
mine said out of stock but got it home the next day :P@@nareshfree
Thanks for the hard work and have a good weekend!
Just got a 7800xt Red Devil from Microcenter yesterday. First time going to a Microcenter and i upgraded from a 1650 Super. So to me, it was a good day and a VERY good upgrade lol
Man, I think i'm going to choose a 7800xt over a 4070 for my next system. I just wish the results were more stable!
16GB vs 12GB, no brainer. Get a freesync premium monitor, 240Hz, and you are good. In my country, second hand 6800xt are 350$, new 7800xt nitro+ or red devil are 550-650$, yet the cheapest shit versions of 4070 cost 600$ and the good ones 700+
Get a nitro+ or red devil 6800xt for 350-400$ and you good bro or if you dont mind the watts, get a 6950xt for 550$ and you will have basically a 4070ti with 16GB
@@ancientslav4863 and fiddle around with drivers for the rest of the day. You win some you loose some. I'd probably stick to the nvidia plain because i wanna use it right out of the box and not have to redo most of my pc just to save 200 bucks, granted the gpu actually works and won't overheat, and you have to RTM thrice before you end up defeated, spend the 200 bucks extra regardless and go green again.
@@02lucy666AMD drivers are fine, that's an old saying. Have fun with the cramped VRAM on Nvidia
@@02lucy666 man, you know nothing about what you just said. You clearly either never had an amd card, or you live in the pre 2017, when amd drivers had issues like hell. It's 2023. Any amd card I use has 0 issues. Amd driver is installed in 3 Mins, works 100% all the time and any game I do on 1440p ultra on my 6800xt has 0 issues.
I have 5600xt pulse, 5700xt nitro, 6700xt nitro, 6800xt nitro and red devil. Friends have several amd cards except reference models. 0 issues, works out of the box. Anyone on reddit tech sites or amd sites never ever complains about amd drivers or cards... You live in the past man and just repeat the usual Nvidia fanboy taking points
And let's not or forget amd don't market themselves as pro app graphics. They are a gaming mainly company.
Honestly, both companies are scum, which was proven time and time again, especially during scalper reign thru covid.
Just ordered my reference 7800xt from AMD. It's designed for someone like me- I'm upgrading from a 6650xt at a price I can stomach.
In that graph at 3:21 is the 6800XT meant to be “Navi 21”? Or am I missing something?
Bless you Jay for the continued gear 5 benchmarks
Your passion for the tech world really shines through in this video. I appreciate the attention to details and the insights that often go unnoticed. I hope to convey the same passion in my videos
Interesting that your results crept just ahead of the 6800xt but GNs results were largely behind, I wonder if they had the same issues you had with the 7800XT FE but just didn't realise and thought the card was worse than it is 😂
HUBs results also had it just slightly ahead of the 6800XT on average.
@@Navi_xoo yes but also comparing it to one of the same spec, GNs was FE Vs FE so Jay said he had issues with the FE card and it wasn't performing properly, just wondering if this might be the reason that GNs was largely behind in comparison
Might be an indicator that the stock cooling is insufficient on the reference design. Jay might have thought something was wrong just because he expected it to beat the 6800XT. While he is comparing two red devil versions here it might be that the 7800XT benefits more from the better cooling solution than the 6800XT could. If the reference 7800XT is thermally hamstrung it could compare unfavourably to the 6800XT if that isn't similarly afflicted. Too many variables to be sure, but either way they are so close that it is in the realms of testing variability.
The question really is, if you couldn't be swayed to get the 6800XT 3 years ago, why would you get the 7800XT now? You would have been gaming for 3 years on old hardware for no reason. Yes it was a bit more expensive, but realistically everything was at that time, so it actually feels less value now as there isn't a crazy pandemic and supply issues to blame the price on. The only people who I can see buying this card are people who have been holding on for 5+ years waiting for something better and have finally given up and accepted that the midrange is capped out at (give or take) a 3080 / $650 and has been for half a decade. That is some terrible stagnation.
I really feel AMD/Nvidia are relying on ignorance to sell these cards. The naming games are just because the only real market for these cards are to people who don't understand hardware and don't do research. Nice business model, needing your customers to be stupid to buy.
I just grabbed the xfx Qick card on sale at Canada Computers and loving it so far. Upgraded from a Titan X Maxwell.
Just watched gamernexus review and the reference model seems to be a lot slower then this version, i have little hope that there is a lot of headroom to oc the card.
I honestly wish I'd waited an extra month to build my sister's family's new PC, at which point I'd have put the RX 7800XT in their system. I was able to get my hands on a Radeon RX 7900XTX Red Devil for only $800 when I built their system, and I know they'll NEVER use that card to its fullest capacity for the next three years. It is what it is, and my sister did tell me to build them a system I'd build for myself, so they also got a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and 32GB 6K-MHz RAM. The only reason I didn't use a RTX 3080 is because I used Nobara Linux as their OS to save them some money.
Doesn't make sense bro, why linux? Windows keys are so cheap nowadays..
@@juancoleraHell I don’t think I’ve ever payed for windows tbh.
$20 OEM Windows keys left and right.
@@juancolera , privacy (#1), and no bloat. Once you get used to how Linux works, it's a far more stable gaming system, and even my gaming FPS is better in a lot of games. Don't knock it until you've used it. Also, I'm not going to pirate an OS if I don't have to.
So I literally just bought a rx7900 xt and was looking at it for a few days and it jumped 80 in price which isn’t bad but it’s not the trend you want to see when building. Something tells me we are getting ready to see gpus start jumping up
Man I really hate the scummy business practices I'm seeing from these gpu companies lately. I hope Intel releases something crazy that forces both Amd and Nvidia to majorly step their game up.
hello, i need some help, im a little newbie about pcs
i have a 7900x CPU with a 1070Ti(from old build) is it a good idea to buy a 7800XT?
Will it bottleneck with my CPU?
Wanted mainly to play 1080p games with High/ultra Settings in games like RDR2, Dead Island 2, FarCry 6, Cyberpunk 2077 etc....
I’m trying to build a pc for 3d animation like blender and light gaming. Would this be a solid choice?
bro is already flexing his 69.000 gpu's in the first 0.00001 seconds 😂
Why are people so envious? Get your own life. If you want 69 GPUs, then work for it.
Well one I think he was joking by his comments of the hypocrisy of Jay saying it wasn't a good holiday weekend while he was in front of a buffet table of graphics cards. Then you came in with a serious comment like a white knight to save the day and went on about someone working for GPUs because they said someone was flexing it. Which doesn't make much sense. Unless you know he is poor, how could you know unless you guys are friends or are you guys friends and just beat up on each other online. Just my analysis of your comment. Not everyone is envious just because they think something or someone is showing off.
Guys, it’s just a joke, why does everyone take it so seriously lol
Hater 🤷♂️
@@Oliq_ You can not joke anymore. Everyone is ready to pounce and have a gotcha moment.
keep in mind AMD upcoming driver level fluid motion (NOT FSR3) is exclusive to RDNA3 so 7000 series.
We're just going back to the early Radeon HD days. There were the GT models (cut down/mainstream version), XT (the performance tier), and XTX (Usually the big boi of the model).
Hoping to see the 7800 XTX (or is it...the 7900 GRE?). I do like the 7800 XT more than I do the 4070, though.
Thank you for benching the 6800! I love that card. I bought it at the height of the GPU shortage. So, it means a lot to see it getting some benchmark love.
will this be okay to pair with i5 13500 intel? gonna use this for streaming obs and da vinci resolve
I recently upgraded from the 5700XT, moved to a 6750XT that is doing great work on the old games I play, and even with my ancient 2600X CPU, I'm able to get passable performance on Starfield. Definitely going to upgrade CPU, and Memory in the near future, but I'm torn on low end AM5, high end AM4, or defection to Team Blue (which would require a new MOBO and cooler obviously).
Im so glad you put 5700xt results in here. Exactly the card im looking to upgrade!
Would you go for this over a 6900 XT with similar prices, having drivers and future proofing in mind?
Are those softr benches with everything set to low? I'm not even getting close to 160fps on my 6800xt and 7700x cpu.
Hi Jay! Thanks for your videos.
I don´t like the price, but I also don´t dislike the 7800 XT:s price, considering the inflation since last generation. I not saying I know the "truth". But I personally almost start to regret that I upgraded (from a GTX 1080) to a 7900 XTX, even though it was on a discounted price + game bundle. The 7800 XT, with the lower price, could be better if planning to upgrade again within a few years. Then again I´m happy with the 7900 XTX - so I guess I just have to keep it for a long time.
Well I was going to build another rig with this card but now I may reconsider my options.
went from a 1660 ti (prebuilt that died and was returned) to a 3060 (mobile/laptop) and just recently got a 6800 xt for my first pc build (was originally going to get a 3070 ti) despite it being "last gen" and is by far the best gaming experience ive had, seems i lucked out on not getting this new gen of 40 series & 7k series
its shrinkflation that people thought it only apply to food , but now its everything have a shrink for costing more including buying cars...example people seeing lower mileage in gas vehicles lately and 3inch height cut in all suv make and cost lot more for it ...companies need more money but cutting amount and size for same price or more, its profit for them, by cheating