From the book of Anthony Beevor the fall of Berlin: ,,Vlasov himself was flown from Konev’s headquarters back to Moscow. There, boasts were later made of his death under terrible and prolonged torture.,,
Stalin actually sent a plane to get Vlassov out of encircelment but he refused to leave his troops behind and save himself. This should also be mentioned...
I love when people critique a video when it’s obvious they didn’t even pay attention to it. 129 other people payed no attention to the video as well and thought this comment warranted a “like”.RUclips comment section is truly a site to behold.
I understand that this was the great patriotic war and a traitor like this would be reviled but honestly at what point does the average Russian realize they are fighting and dying (and in the Ukraine, starving) in the millions for maybe the most evil man in history?
@@dexterwestin3747 Study history. In Ukraine, they starved in the same way as in the Volga and the Caucasus. 80% of all deaths - typhoid, dysentery and cholera! The USSR fought with all its might against hunger. In Prague, starving people were dying on the streets at that time. Drought was in all of eastern Europe. Holodomor - anti-Soviet, Russophobic slander
Not only Vlasov and other officers who went over to the Germans, but whole units of Ukrainian Cossacks, who after capture in 1941, were recruited into special German units by Vlasov. At war's end, the German Cossack units were in North Eastern Italy ( Tyrol), surrendered to the British,who immediately handed them over to the Soviet NKVD, with their families. Any Cossack Officer was Immediately executed by Firing Squad, and the Enlisted Men and Families were Given 20 years Gulag. The British were widely condemned for this handling over; but it was part of the Yalta Agreement with Stalin on POWs. I think the Americans refused to hand over Russian POWs, whether Prisoners or in the Wehrmacht. DocAV
Stalin had overrun many POW camps in Poland & had thousands of Allied prisoners, he refused to repatriate them unless the Cossack's were returned, even the Cossack's German officers were sent with them to their Deaths as part of Stalin's blackmail.
Some people obviously don't understand the difference between German behavior in the West and East. Most of the people that were in combat units (not HIWIs) actually did horrible crimes against own people. Beside that, is it better to hand over traitors and Nazi criminals to be processed, or is it better, like Americans did, save the most horrific butchers and give them new life in the US? What would you, dear Astrid, prefer if your family will be butchered? To punish butchers or to save them and let them live in freedom?
@@bobandaklu7213 Well, Bob... The Beach Boys had an answer to that: "I went to a dance, looking for romance... "Saw a Boban, so I thought I'd take a chance--- "Bob-ba-an "Bob-bah-bah, Bob-ba-bu-ran!" Sounds good to me, Bobba
Vlasov was treated with contempt by many top Nazis. It was after discussing Vlasov's attempts to form a Russian liberation army that Himler famously remarked, "Who compels us to keep the promises we make?"Vlasov was also known to harangue German officers about the atrocities they had committed, causing even hardened SS men to hang their heads in shame, something that greatly alarmed Himler. Traitor or no, Vlasov was a complicated fellow. One wonders what would have happened if STAVKA had allowed him to pull his troops back instead of letting them to be cutoff and destroyed for no good reason. History might have remembered him much differently.
@@teddyspaghetti9566 Love the name. Couldn't help but reply because I read the above anecdote about Vlasov like 20 years ago in Alan Clark's Barbarossa and it stuck in my head this whole time. The actual citatiation is to a section of Himmler's infamous Posen Speech on October 4th 1943 wherein he complains (among assorted other things) of Germans dignitaries being ashamed after attending lectures by Vlasov and how it has undermined the Nazi war effort. Granted, he only refers to "leadership" and not SS members specifically but I surmise there is probably quite a bit of overlap there. Here is a link to the text of the speech. www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokument=0008_pos&object=translation&st=Vlasov&l=de
Two Soviet generals, Dmitry Karbyshev and Andrey Vlasov, captured by nazi, first didn't betray and was killed, doused with cold water in the winter, second is a traitor and was hanged as such.
Look up Karbyshev. Surrendering and being a traitor two different things. The generals who were POWs and later released got the medals and continued to serve in Red army. Vlasov participated as a punitive force murdering civilians. So called Nazi fighting happened in the last week of war )) As for the soldiers who surrendered. My granddad was captured in 1942 and released in 1943. He continued to serve in Red Army and ended the war in Vienna.
@@snoozefest811 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_against_former_prisoners_of_war I'm not sure if I agree with the Wikipedia source nowadays, but at least they mention it. I coulda sworn it was more than 8 percent of the repatriated that were punished. I'd like to see a source though of the germans liquidating the soviet-held german pow's if you got one, because this is news to me. *Edit* this is not an attack against you guys by the way, I just really like to know unbiased history is all.
@@iamwhoimnotimnotwhoiam4431 My great uncle was captured by the Germans in '42. Spent pretty much the entire war in captivity. After he was liberated in '45, got on the train and went to Odessa. There he got picked up at the station by NKVD and sent to a filtration camp. After a few months there he was cleared and released. Subsequently he was awarded a medal for bravery because fellow POW's testified he acted honorably while in captivity.
People don’t seem to realise, Stalin made it law that if a general surrendered in particular, but anyone really. But if you surrendered you’d be classified a traitor and your family would not be entitled to any payments from the government (which in a communist state is all payments) so long before this guy changed sides he was already facing the same outcome in the unlikely event he survived the prison camps. So honestly the biggest surprise is that more surrendered soldiers didn’t turn.
There is no surprise at all. German relations with Slav nations were totally different from German-speaking nations (that include British as well). For Anglo-Americans war with Germany was enterprise just a little bigger then sport, while for Slavs it was a question of survival or extermination. Most of the prisoners understood that if they help Germans to win after the victory they will be eliminated as well. You can't so easily join to someone who believes that you are lower then dog. If black and colored people fought in racist US armed forces for money and hope for better treatment after demonstration of loyalty to US, Soviet POWs didn't have such hope.
It got so bad that at one point he actually made a law that if you didn’t join and fight, not only did you get arrested, but so did your family. A lot of people actually wanted the Germans to win just to get rid of Stalin. Sometimes we can really underestimate a persons ruthlessness.
@@cassiecraft8856 Well, you can look at it from different point of views. You can find today in Germany many monuments saying more or less like that: "On this place during WWII was factory bombed on (given date) by Allies. Victims: 15 German soldiers, 300 Russian POWs". Unlike Western POWs Soviet POWs were forced to slave labor in German factories...those who survive first months of captivity. Relatively good life was broken by Allied bombing. Really good captivity had those POWs that were assigned to German farms. They survived and had good treatment. Now, one can also make theory that Allied ruthless bombing pushed Soviet POWs in collaboration with Germans. (That is not the truth, of course, but there are many theories today...). Fact is - from total number (some 3 million) Soviet POWs captured in 1941 only 1/3 (one third) were still alive by April 1942. Mistreatment and malnutrition. So, probably there is explanation why some went to collaboration and some didn't.
You see, French just opened legs to nazi, Britons were long done and couldn't win anything, and Americans were too week to face the Germans on that time. Indeed Stalin was brilliant doing that. The whole world and Europe in particular should be forever thankful to Stalin and red army heroes.
I missed a third possibility in the final conclusions: Maybe Vlasov was no more than a born opportunist who was always looking after number one. After all, after the revolution he switched from a pretty cosy career path as a priest under the Tsar to the Bolshevist military; somehow survived the Stalinist purges of the military staff in the 30-ties; blamed other commanders for his failures in battle, and after becoming a POW immediately became a highly active Nazi turn coat. Thereby saving his skin from the faith of about 3.5 million Soviet POW’s killed by starvation and mass executions by the Nazi’s during the war.
Honestly. I was thinking about the same thing. I don’t know anything about him other than this video, but I have a feeling that he never thought that he would be going back to Moscow.
The father of a colleague of mine served under Vlasov. My colleague said that Vlasov's army were the only true Russian patriots. "interrogations" by the NKVD means beatings. The hanging technique by the Soviets was the same as used by the NAZIs for their enemies.
Tukhachevsky was shot during the conflict with hight army command, including Voroshilov, during the conflict inside the party, and was blamed by court. How cute you turned difficult political process and conflict between party members and groups into Stalin personally takes mauzer and just shoot Tukhach to death.
He wrote s letter to his wife praising Stalin shortly before he was captured and changed sides. He was a coward who tried to save his own skin. Many of his followers escaped to U.S. after the war and settled in New Jersey. Met some of them.
There was a young Belorussian woman who joined Vlassov, she lives on in our family story heritage. She had studied medicine before the war, and German language too. She didn't like Stalin's communism and had dreamt some day she might have the chance to gain practical experience as a doctor at a clinic in Germany. Then the war came, Belarus was overrun quickly by the German Army, and now the Germans were looking for translators. She enlisted, and so she was assigned to a German petty officer who was in charge of the administration of three kolchos farms, he alone, while most villagers who had worked there before had just stayed and continued to work on the kolchos like before. She became not just the German petty officer's translator, she also was instrumental that he could develop friendly relationships with "his" villagers as he wished to. There is an old photo from this time showing her and the officer side by side on horseback, they look happy, both were compassionate riders. They also knew the friendly villages and those you better don't go to. Thus was the ongoing partisan war. Then, in1943, partisans approached her in secret and offered her a last chance to switch sides. She knew, if Germany would lose the war, this would be now the last chance to stay in her home country. If it wasn't just a trap. So she told the officer, now her friend, and asked him, "What do you think, who will win the war?" He actually was a faithful party member and just couldn't believe in Germany's defeat, but still he answered honestly he just didn't know. Anya decided to stay. Then came the summer of 1944, the Red Army's massive offensive brought the front line close to Baranovice, evacuation order came. The officer arranged a wagon trek for everyone of the villagers who wanted to flee, and so they went, about 30 horse drawn wagons, all the way to East Prussia, the officer and Anya always ahead scouting the way, he with his map, she talking with the locals. After 4 weeks or so they luckily arrived in East Prussia, no one lost, all healthy! But now he had to join the ranks of the regular army, and what could Anya do now? He told her about General Wlassow's division and found her a contact to join the division. Then came the hour to say farewell. Anya joined Wlassow's troops, writing him how glad she was being there with likeminded fellow countrymen and -women. Came 1945 and he, back in the ranks of the Wehrmacht at the Western front, didn't receive a letter for a long time. Sadly my grandfather never heard from her again.
While I respect your opinion, I can't help but think that if you were a Soviet (be it soldier or civilian), that had gone through the war on the Eastern Front, it might differ somewhat.
He was not captured. Sadly, members of Patton's 3rd Army stood by and did nothing when Vlasov - who was supposedly going to a meeting with American generals, allowed Soviet troops to seize him from an AMERICAN JEEP! Just like how we betrayed the Afghans.
@@petersmith4202 how would giving Vlasov to Soviets help win the war? And betraying communists is no crime. Believe me or not, but WW2 wasn't only about fighting Germans for many. For example, Poland was invaded both by Germany and the Soviet Union. Both states were hostile.
My grandfather fought for the devils imperial race, the ustasa! My other grandfather fought for the partisan communists. 1992 my father fought for the HVO in Bosnia, we lived in a war zone for 3 years. Now I live free in Canada.
Justin Castro Trudeau, like his communist father (Castro) Pierre, is a Jesuit trained dictator, just like Hitler, and Stalin were! They all serve that great Satan who sits on his throne in Vatican! Communism is their endgame. Going back to Middle Dark Ages (NWO). All roads lead to Rome!
@@Smyridon oh my soul. I subscribe to this channel to broaden my historical knowledge but why some individual's feel the insatiable need to add their religious perspectives to the comments is exhausting.
On the anniversary of “BARBAROSSA” yesterday on 22nd of June 2021 (80 years) one person mentioned their Polish father who hid in the woods on BBC 2 Jeremy Vine show... “..what was I to do..if I hid in the woods I would be found eventually and be killed..if I gave myself up to the Soviets.(who had taken his land in Poland when the Soviets came in 1939 and deported his whole family to Siberia..and the reason he fled to the forests..none of his family survived Siberia..).. If I gave myself up to the Germans..I was a dead man...If I joined the resistance..I was a dead man...if I was found in the woods by a farmer/huntsman...I could be betrayed..I was a dead man....” Eventually captured and deported to a concentration camp..then “persuaded” to join the German Army was captured in Italy....and it does not end there..he then joined the Free Polish Army and fought at Monte Cassino..and...After the war knew..IF he returned to Poland...yes..you guessed it...would more than likely be either imprisoned or..yes..killed... Well there you have it “soft people” of the West...this is the history of Soviet/Nazi colonist dreams... It’s all taught about the Nazis but for all you people that lay your graces at Stalin...please look up the facts....and it is NOT nice reading...so on a historical perspective one has to look at Vlassov in a different perspective and take off our “21st Century rose tinted goggles” (Edited because I couldn’t spell Vlassov) Still can’t....!!! Yes...it’s Vlasov....
Interesting post....in Avranches, Brittany/Normandy there's a relatively new ossuary...many 100's of the men's remains there have African, Russian, Chechen, Ukrainian etc names....many have only nicknames....
@@goldenhawk352 He is an opportunist, neither a hero nor a villain, just unfortunate in his circumstances. Morally, it's up to whoever looks at him to determine how evil or immoral he is, after all, he's been dead for a good 70 years
Very many can take that claim, for example the Polish who thought against bolsheviks in won Polish Soviet War of 1920 and then against both Nazis and Bolsheviks in second world war
@Hussein the supporter of KARA BOĞA There wasn't any war between Germany or Poland and Czechoslovakia in 1938. Poland only took a tiny bit of land, they didn't fight with the Nazis or against the Czechoslovaks.
@Hussein the supporter of KARA BOĞA those lands were populated by Polish and taken by the Czechs when Poland was fighting against USSR invasion in 1920 and unable to defend Western flank. Poland never had any alliances with Czechoslovakia.
Think you need learn a bit more about history before we continue discussing this, so you won't use false statements like that about vowing for example.
The British were the only country that performed hangings properly and “humanely”. The American hangman at Nuremberg was a disgrace. He let the condemned slowly strangle to death after hitting their heads while going through the trap door. It’s possible he also engaged in other torture methods out of revenge or spite. The Allies were supposed to be the ones that dispensed civilized justice, not petty cruelness and revenge. Back to the subject of Vlasov, talk about making a wrong judgment on his part. He was as good as dead the moment he defected.. how could anyone in 1944 have thought the Germans had any chance of winning. He practically threw his life away.
What the video doesn't explicitly say is, that many soldiers joined ROA to escape death by starvation in Nazi concentration camps. And it might have worked for some. Soviets executed the high officers of ROA, but normal soldiers could be just sent for some time to labour camp, so some of them might have survived and maybe even see the freedom in old age. :-)
You did not mention the fate of some of his army members who in Seattle, WA were informed they were to be repatriated to the USSR. At that many of them jumped overboard from the small vessel they were on in the harbor and committed suicide. Such was the fear they had of the retribution awaiting them in Moscow. Those that did make it back were later seen hanging from meat hooks in Moscow.
Interesting story. Have you considered a video about Beatrice Shilling and her contribution to the Spitfire? She was quite a feisty woman by all accounts.
A very interesting piece. I have watched many of your videos but never had written. Long story short I chose to change that. I subscribed many months ago. So thank you again. I look forward to seeing your next video 👏👏👏..P
There's untold more out there. They come from all branches, some came home some didn't. all races, all nationalities, all Americans. When you meet one you damn well better thank them. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
Well said my friend. We owe an unpayable amount. How do you pay people who sacrificed their lives some willingly jumping on live grenades, taking on missions that were known to be almost suicidal + the many other heroic things that many people have done + for little or even no recognition. No my friend we could never pay all of our heroic military members even 1 percent of what is owed them. We should however when coming across a soldier, shake their hand, tell him or her thanks for all you do. If you see them getting coffee or a meal + if you have money pay for it. I'm not a rich man but the little I am blessed with, I'm more than happy to pay for coffee or lunch for our people in uniform. And like I said I understand that many of us live paycheck to paycheck but think of it like this, without our brave men and women constantly putting their lives on the line so that I'm blessed to have what I have in a warm safe place. That my children + my 3 grandsons can walk around in the greatest country on earth but that cost isn't cheap. It's paid for in blood, lots of blood, and many many good people died way before they should have. My Father, my personal hero was 1 of the guys who didn't make it home. No unfortunately he died a really young man, 25 years old, 3 children all under the age of 5. On December 5,1965 my Pops was KIA in Nam. I grew up without dad + I can't lie it wasn't easy growing up without him and I eventually, slowly with God's grace figured things out, of course not everything but I had some good friends who helped keep me kinda on the right track, a lot of it was luck or maybe even dumb luck, like I said earlier most of it was God's grace. So I apologize for the long comment my 3, as you can see it's a pretty personal 1 for me for obvious reasons. Please be well, stay safe and thank you for sharing your comment because obviously I needed to see it + because God puts stuff in front of you sometimes because we needed to see it. Peace
@@robertgoines1831 your comment touched my heart... Yes, we all want peace and will continue to pray to the Almighty for it. I know it's difficult for you in regards to your father's death, but be comforted in the fact that you were surrounded by people who cared and loved you ...that helped you to continue on life's journey.
@@filone1970 if you took the time to read what Robert Goines wrote, you'd notice that he mentioned God in his post.... I therefore have the understanding that he is a believer, so I felt comfortable enough to dialogue with him mentioning the Almighty God. As for you, I would never ever address you on the issue as you share other beliefs...good for you and more power to you. So to make it known, I have no interest in conversing with you, so there is no need for you to write directly to me, unless you're Robert... and please don't respond to this, it is pointless and unnecessary. End of story.
So if the allies executed somebody then it is called justified when the Soviets do the same it is not justified but brutal ...........not saying it was not ok the hang the Nazi butchers but the framing is quite telling
Yes, indeed, in particular if you look at the way the British bended the legal rules in order to be able to execute William Joyce, a.k.a. Lord Haw-haw. And that guy only wasn't involved into any combat against the allies but just read propaganda stories for the radio... .
"The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all but to subvert anything of value in the country of your enemy until such time that the perception of reality of your enemy is screwed up to such an extent that he does not perceive you as an enemy." - Yuri Bezmenov
I can understand his predicament. Stalin's Russia was rotten. Anyway, loyalty to one's nation is outmoded nowadays and has few rewards. Look at servicemen disabled in wars, and left to deal with it.
I always found it interesting that about 600k to 1.2million ex-soviet Russian mainly soldiers fought for Germany in ww2, the majority die fighting for them.
@@guifdcanalli You OK mate? Don't believe I mentioned the 1945 Corp of ROA.... lol! Also read more then just the first few lines of info mite help you a lot more in the future mate... About 50,000 served in the 6th army at it's highest levels. And there was over 100 battalions majority on the East front. Several hundred thousand were in service in 1943 in different parts of the German military....
@@corbinglenn2567 Are you Russian? Not really as what over 3million died fighting for Russia and only some 100k to 200k fought for Germany.... Estamated Russians who fought for Germany are 700,000 Slavic, 300,000 Baltic and 200,000 Turkic.
If we in the USA had lost 20 to 25 million in a war how would we deal with a defector general? No different I think. I heard General Washington offered to exchange Major Andre for Benedict Arnold but the British general would not or could not do it despite detesting Benedict Arnold. Major Andre was hanged. Arnold would have been as well had Washington caught up with him.
But Washington was himself "a traitor" towards his British Masters. If we consider that chosing freedom from former Masters shall be always considered "a treason".
Lets be real here, Stalin had Vlasov's brother shot and with how well he was preforming and popular Vlasov was quickly becoming its likely Stalin would have had him shot iregardless of betrayal or not.
I can understand why he would defect given how awful Stalin was, but fighting against your own people when they are going through such suffering.. its hard to sympathize there. Its one thing if he defected and fought in some other front, but against his own people... that is pretty low.
Why do all these video sound like I've missed the beginning? The way "during the second world war" comes out always sounds like something should have proceeded it. Don't get me wrong! These videos are amazing and informative. I really learn a lot! It's just that one oddity strikes me.
Very few photographs of the hanging were taken. I have seen only one so far, and it depicts General Vlasov, his Chief-of-Staff, and 2 (or 1) other fellows literally dangling together from the same goalposts!!! There's something very tacky about hanging people in that fashion, but that's also how Iran carries out executions - no drop, just a stool, which is then kicked away.
@@nicolasoboukhov5815 Id say being a member of stalin's government and his army's hierarchy also maker you a war criminal. Vlasov was a 'war criminal' hung by other war criminals. History is written by the victors after all.
@@germanoslav46 I dont think so. We should all strive to make things the right way, those who commit atrocitties and are condemned to be executed shouldt be given a quick death. After all, where their víctims given any mercy?
The British Encyclopedia of 1964, volume 5, page 250: From W. Churchill's speech in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959 on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin: The great happiness for Russia was that during the years of difficult trials, Russia was led by a genius and unwavering commander I.V. Stalin. He was an outstanding person, impressing the cruel time of his entire life. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and indelible will, sharp, harsh, merciless both in business and in conversation, which even I, raised in the English parliament, could not oppose anything. Stalin, first of all, had a great sense of sarcasm and humor, as well as the ability to accurately express his thoughts. Stalin wrote speeches only himself, and in his works there was always a great power. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples. Stalin made the greatest impression on us. His influence on people was irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, all of us, as if on command, stood up and, strange business, for some reason held our hands at the seams. He possessed deep, devoid of any panic, logical and meaningful wisdom. Stalin was an unsurpassed master to find in difficult moments ways out of the most hopeless situation. In the most difficult moments, as well as in the moments of triumph, he was equally restrained, never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a huge empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his hands and forced us, whom he openly called imperialists, to rebel against the imperialists. Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with soh, and left equipped with atomic weapons. No! Whatever they say about him, such history and peoples do not forget.
Lmao. Churchill made no • speech about Stalin in 1959 , no speeches at all in the Commons after his retirement in 1955. Lol. Nice try. He did admire Josif Dzugasvili , considered him great man of the century and still thought of him as a mass murderer. Which is funny because Churchill was flawed , in India they consider him in same light for Bengal famine…
@@digitalcommunist6335 I will not argue on this topic. What can I prove to a man who only wants to hear himself? The USSR of Stalin from the country of the poor and illiterate, became a power of the fed and educated. Repression, its scale, this is the fiction of psychological warfare
@@digitalcommunist6335 How far is Bengal from London? What population of India died at the hands of the English conquerors? Before blaming Russia, remember your sins.
@@sebastian_pereira409 Imperial Britain plundered ,by modern estimates, between 20-40 trillion$ only from India during few centuries of rule. As far as death goes , they ( colonial administration) are directly responsible for anywhere between 5-8 million deaths . Mostly with their indifference towards helping during draughts . They were skillfully playing religious, caste , tribal divisions within India for own gain. And unfortunately they never paid for what they did. But since times are changing and UK is fading into insignificance while India has every chance of joining USA , China , EU as future superpower. Stailns regime did modernize USSR compared to moribund, decadent Imperial Russia. There is a reason why revolution happened. And they did it within generation. That said ,Stalin was also biggest mass murderer in human history after Mao. And just like Mao he mostly killed his own people.
@@digitalcommunist6335 convincing the illiterate of his ignorance is hard as throwing a stone on the Moon. Emphasis on the word repression, part of the psychological war "an elephant is inflated from a fly"! V.N. Zemskov, Russian liberal historian (!) In his book "Political Repressions in the USSR: Real Scale and Speculative Constructions" documented: the proportion of those repressed for political reasons in the population that lived in 1918-1958 is 2.5% (about 10 million in relation to over 400 million). This means that 97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form.
He got what he deserved in the end. No doubt about that. He fought for the army that killed his own people, not just communists. There can be no excuse for what he did.
Executions by the Nazis: brutal Executions of the Nazis: justified Perhaps this channel could do with less adjectives with these videos, as much as the channel itself is good.
Excellent video never even heard of the guy wouldn't have mattered who they surrendered to they would have been handed over to the Russians and got what they deserved!
The question is whether what Vlasov did and paid for was really a "crime". The Soviet Union wasn't any better than Germany, they were responsible for starting WW2 alongside Germans
the man was stuck in a horrible position, he had two horrible people that were as equal immoral. both ideologies hurt the population of their native countries.
Unfortunately he chose to side with the worst individual to make matters worse he chose the losing side Stalin killed lots of people Hitler wanted to depopulate all of Eastern Europe
The Germans biggest mistake, if they had positioned themselves as an army of liberation then millions of the poeple of the USSR would have joined them. Nevertheless hundreds of thousands did. When they invaded the Ukraine they were greeted with flowers, salt and bread by the locals.
Heck it even happened when they crossed into the parts of Poland that were occupied by the Soviets. Townspeople erected swastikas at entrances and some town councils even collaborated with the Germans in killing Jews. One bizarre pogrom happened in Szczuczyn in June 1941 which was halted by a passing German unit. If they knew how they’re fellow countrymen were treated back in the General Government it’d be a different story.
General Vlasof's face resembles the face of Mexican President Gustavo Diaz-Ordaz (1964-!970) who killed more than 300 unarmed protesters, mostly students, in Mexico City, on Octuber 2, 1968.
@@petebondurant58 Thanks a lot for this interesting information. O confess: I never heard of Chuikov, neither of Vasilevsky and Bagramyan. The latter must be an Armenian.
@@joemcarthy8124 actually, the Nazis killed very little of their own people. Probably why they are so hated worldwide, as they attacked so many countries. Communists are worse to me in that they killed mostly their own citizens, and mostly during peace time... while supposing to be for the good of the people! But people forget that if the Nazis had won, they had plans to kill millions and millions of people and enslave millions more. They expected that 30 million Soviet citizens would die in the very first winter (1941-1942) had they won! Talk about being cold blooded. So while Mao and Stalin beat Hitler's death count, it's just because he lost... But he did murder mostly people from other countries, unlike communists. Both are awful in their own way. Yet privileged college students somehow still think highly of communism!
@@MVProfits I agree with you. Mao killed (and starved) between 80-100 people, Stalin did approx. 40 million (incl. starving them)......25 million died in WW2, Hitler killed approx. 6 mil. Jews. Those are the numbers I got, please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@viskovandermerwe3947 you are wrong you are right about Mao hitler killed 27 million soviets the figures on stalin are simply made up conquest who popularizec them admitted that before he died
Why is every headline in this series ‘BRUTAL EXECUTION’? Hanging is the most humane way of executing a person, they lose consciousness immediately and feel no pain at all. Why? Because hanging is not about suffocating, or breaking the neck. It’s not about closing the windpipe so one can not breath. It’s all about stopping the bloodflow to the brain, which is done by blocking the two main arteries in the neck by a ligature. Death comes fast and in a painless way. Just mentioning.
Vlasov had legitimate grievances against Stalinism. However, he only defected after his capture; and he collaborated with the Nazis who committed massive atrocities against the Russian people.
@@tomasmikalauskas7145 Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine ,Estonia ,did they nazi lovers or not?did they rise statues of Pantera and give to the former ss members pension or not?did they forbidden communist party or not? Ho told ps now?fck nazi lovers?
Stalin had Vlasov's brother executed before the war. I'm sure that definitely weighed on his mind...
I would have hated Stalan
That had to be the reason
@@lindaarrington9397 So would i
You are right and by the way STALIN drunk every day BLOOD of infants, parents who were executed
@@lindaarrington9397 So would I. If I were anywhere near Stalin.. I would have ... made an attempt on him for killing my brother.
And anyone near him.
Guy was just hanged? How was that brutal? When people say brutal we expect cartel-level brutality
I was expecting North Korea brutality ala eaten by dogs, blown up alive by artillery fire or something similar.
From the book of Anthony Beevor the fall of Berlin: ,,Vlasov himself was flown from
Konev’s headquarters back to Moscow. There, boasts were later made of his death under terrible and
prolonged torture.,,
Clickbait title is clickbait
Yea man those cartel guys play way to much mortal combat.
I expect being beaten then fingers cut off and teeth taken out with pliers, then mutilating near death then crucified. Hanging is easy
Stalin actually sent a plane to get Vlassov out of encircelment but he refused to leave his troops behind and save himself. This should also be mentioned...
video did mention this
The Volkhov pocket was unrelenting swamp and woods...no aircraft of that era could have extracted Vlasov anyway.....
They mentioned this 🤦♀️
he suspected he would be sacked because of his numerous failures leading to that point
I love when people critique a video when it’s obvious they didn’t even pay attention to it. 129 other people payed no attention to the video as well and thought this comment warranted a “like”.RUclips comment section is truly a site to behold.
Vlasov's name lives in infamy. To this day "vlasovets" is used as a pejorative term in Russian to describe a turncoat.
and in the rest of the world Stalinsm is infamy name
@@michal_kalich Not in Russia, it's not.
I understand that this was the great patriotic war and a traitor like this would be reviled but honestly at what point does the average Russian realize they are fighting and dying (and in the Ukraine, starving) in the millions for maybe the most evil man in history?
@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available because Russians love genocidal dictators such as Stalin
@@dexterwestin3747 Study history. In Ukraine, they starved in the same way as in the Volga and the Caucasus. 80% of all deaths - typhoid, dysentery and cholera! The USSR fought with all its might against hunger. In Prague, starving people were dying on the streets at that time. Drought was in all of eastern Europe. Holodomor - anti-Soviet, Russophobic slander
Not only Vlasov and other officers who went over to the Germans, but whole units of Ukrainian Cossacks, who after capture in 1941, were recruited into special German units by Vlasov. At war's end, the German Cossack units were in North Eastern Italy ( Tyrol), surrendered to the British,who immediately handed them over to the Soviet NKVD, with their families.
Any Cossack Officer was Immediately executed by Firing Squad, and the Enlisted Men and Families were Given 20 years Gulag.
The British were widely condemned for this handling over; but it was part of the Yalta Agreement with Stalin
on POWs.
I think the Americans refused to hand over Russian POWs, whether Prisoners or in the Wehrmacht.
DocAV
The Americans also handed over former Russian soldiers and nurses who served with German units back to the Soviets.
Stalin had overrun many POW camps in Poland & had thousands of Allied prisoners, he refused to repatriate them unless the Cossack's were returned, even the Cossack's German officers were sent with them to their Deaths as part of Stalin's blackmail.
They were not Ukrainian Cossacks- they were from Southern Russia. Mainly Kuban, Stavropol regions.
Some people obviously don't understand the difference between German behavior in the West and East. Most of the people that were in combat units (not HIWIs) actually did horrible crimes against own people.
Beside that, is it better to hand over traitors and Nazi criminals to be processed, or is it better, like Americans did, save the most horrific butchers and give them new life in the US?
What would you, dear Astrid, prefer if your family will be butchered? To punish butchers or to save them and let them live in freedom?
@@bobandaklu7213
Well, Bob...
The Beach Boys had an answer to that:
"I went to a dance, looking for romance...
"Saw a Boban, so I thought I'd take a chance---
"Bob-ba-an
"Bob-bah-bah, Bob-ba-bu-ran!"
Sounds good to me, Bobba
Vlasov was treated with contempt by many top Nazis. It was after discussing Vlasov's attempts to form a Russian liberation army that Himler famously remarked, "Who compels us to keep the promises we make?"Vlasov was also known to harangue German officers about the atrocities they had committed, causing even hardened SS men to hang their heads in shame, something that greatly alarmed Himler. Traitor or no, Vlasov was a complicated fellow. One wonders what would have happened if STAVKA had allowed him to pull his troops back instead of letting them to be cutoff and destroyed for no good reason. History might have remembered him much differently.
He would have died a hero
if he had shot himself
rather than be captured
in the encirclement.
Vlasov is an anomaly, he never let allegiance distort morality. He possessed a very rare attribute hardly seen amongst soldiers.
Ah yes the typical made up bs about scaring the SS. God you people just believe everything you are told.
@@teddyspaghetti9566 Love the name. Couldn't help but reply because I read the above anecdote about Vlasov like 20 years ago in Alan Clark's Barbarossa and it stuck in my head this whole time. The actual citatiation is to a section of Himmler's infamous Posen Speech on October 4th 1943 wherein he complains (among assorted other things) of Germans dignitaries being ashamed after attending lectures by Vlasov and how it has undermined the Nazi war effort. Granted, he only refers to "leadership" and not SS members specifically but I surmise there is probably quite a bit of overlap there. Here is a link to the text of the speech. www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokument=0008_pos&object=translation&st=Vlasov&l=de
Excellent video thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Steve!
Two Soviet generals, Dmitry Karbyshev and Andrey Vlasov, captured by nazi, first didn't betray and was killed, doused with cold water in the winter, second is a traitor and was hanged as such.
Yeah but one was killed by the nazis and one by the soviets, whats your point
@@HatrTheGod one didnt betray the soviets the other did, whats your point
@@HatrTheGod one died a hero, other died as traitor
@@EkoFranko in russian, we say "dog deserves a dog's death"
@Yorkshire Pudding Traitor to Motherland...
Look up Karbyshev. Surrendering and being a traitor two different things.
The generals who were POWs and later released got the medals and continued to serve in Red army.
Vlasov participated as a punitive force murdering civilians. So called Nazi fighting happened in the last week of war ))
As for the soldiers who surrendered. My granddad was captured in 1942 and released in 1943. He continued to serve in Red Army and ended the war in Vienna.
I thought the soviets liquidated most of the german-captured pow's because they surrendered instead of dying fighting?
@@iamwhoimnotimnotwhoiam4431 Some were imprisoned, I don't think any were "liquidated". TBH the Soviets could have treated them better.
@@iamwhoimnotimnotwhoiam4431 other way around
@@snoozefest811 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_against_former_prisoners_of_war
I'm not sure if I agree with the Wikipedia source nowadays, but at least they mention it. I coulda sworn it was more than 8 percent of the repatriated that were punished.
I'd like to see a source though of the germans liquidating the soviet-held german pow's if you got one, because this is news to me.
*Edit* this is not an attack against you guys by the way, I just really like to know unbiased history is all.
@@iamwhoimnotimnotwhoiam4431 My great uncle was captured by the Germans in '42. Spent pretty much the entire war in captivity. After he was liberated in '45, got on the train and went to Odessa. There he got picked up at the station by NKVD and sent to a filtration camp. After a few months there he was cleared and released. Subsequently he was awarded a medal for bravery because fellow POW's testified he acted honorably while in captivity.
People don’t seem to realise, Stalin made it law that if a general surrendered in particular, but anyone really. But if you surrendered you’d be classified a traitor and your family would not be entitled to any payments from the government (which in a communist state is all payments) so long before this guy changed sides he was already facing the same outcome in the unlikely event he survived the prison camps. So honestly the biggest surprise is that more surrendered soldiers didn’t turn.
There is no surprise at all. German relations with Slav nations were totally different from German-speaking nations (that include British as well).
For Anglo-Americans war with Germany was enterprise just a little bigger then sport, while for Slavs it was a question of survival or extermination.
Most of the prisoners understood that if they help Germans to win after the victory they will be eliminated as well.
You can't so easily join to someone who believes that you are lower then dog.
If black and colored people fought in racist US armed forces for money and hope for better treatment after demonstration of loyalty to US, Soviet POWs didn't have such hope.
It got so bad that at one point he actually made a law that if you didn’t join and fight, not only did you get arrested, but so did your family. A lot of people actually wanted the Germans to win just to get rid of Stalin. Sometimes we can really underestimate a persons ruthlessness.
@@cassiecraft8856 Well, you can look at it from different point of views. You can find today in Germany many monuments saying more or less like that: "On this place during WWII was factory bombed on (given date) by Allies. Victims: 15 German soldiers, 300 Russian POWs".
Unlike Western POWs Soviet POWs were forced to slave labor in German factories...those who survive first months of captivity. Relatively good life was broken by Allied bombing.
Really good captivity had those POWs that were assigned to German farms. They survived and had good treatment.
Now, one can also make theory that Allied ruthless bombing pushed Soviet POWs in collaboration with Germans. (That is not the truth, of course, but there are many theories today...).
Fact is - from total number (some 3 million) Soviet POWs captured in 1941 only 1/3 (one third) were still alive by April 1942. Mistreatment and malnutrition.
So, probably there is explanation why some went to collaboration and some didn't.
@@bobandaklu7213 that makes total sense. How do you feed that many P.O.W.s? Also a lot of people just wanted/needed Stalin out too.
You see, French just opened legs to nazi, Britons were long done and couldn't win anything, and Americans were too week to face the Germans on that time. Indeed Stalin was brilliant doing that. The whole world and Europe in particular should be forever thankful to Stalin and red army heroes.
I missed a third possibility in the final conclusions: Maybe Vlasov was no more than a born opportunist who was always looking after number one. After all, after the revolution he switched from a pretty cosy career path as a priest under the Tsar to the Bolshevist military; somehow survived the Stalinist purges of the military staff in the 30-ties; blamed other commanders for his failures in battle, and after becoming a POW immediately became a highly active Nazi turn coat. Thereby saving his skin from the faith of about 3.5 million Soviet POW’s killed by starvation and mass executions by the Nazi’s during the war.
Honestly. I was thinking about the same thing. I don’t know anything about him other than this video, but I have a feeling that he never thought that he would be going back to Moscow.
The father of a colleague of mine served under Vlasov. My colleague said that Vlasov's army were the only true Russian patriots. "interrogations" by the NKVD means beatings. The hanging technique by the Soviets was the same as used by the NAZIs for their enemies.
@@bobapbob5812 No doubt as they fought for a Russia free of "Jew-Bolshevism."
Vlasov survived Stalin's purges because he was Stalin's favorite general. The only one Stalin didn't suspect of treason.
These videos are so interesting
They're really good and thorough.
Thanks man :)
@@TheUntoldPast Don't forget to cover those BRUTALLY EXECUTED by the communist Soviets....
@@TheUntoldPast
Why do you only reply to RUclipsrs with a check next to their name? Kind of elitist I feel.
And in this case, completely wrong
So Stalin let him slipped while shooting Tukhachevsky in the Great Purge.
Mans got his priorities straight
Tukhachevsky was shot during the conflict with hight army command, including Voroshilov, during the conflict inside the party, and was blamed by court. How cute you turned difficult political process and conflict between party members and groups into Stalin personally takes mauzer and just shoot Tukhach to death.
He wrote s letter to his wife praising Stalin shortly before he was captured and changed sides. He was a coward who tried to save his own skin. Many of his followers escaped to U.S. after the war and settled in New Jersey. Met some of them.
Look dude. You don't live in Russia. You lack any sort of clarity and sense of mind.
Did you hear about something called "censorship"
He was not a coward. The american general who sent him back was.
Vlasov and Gorbi are brothers in arms.
Both are the most infamous personalities of the Russian history of 20th century.
commies are a blight to humanity equal to Nazis. and killed more
Nah, its stalin
@@leonidjoseph5483 stay mad
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Project harder
Forgott vodka-man.
There was a young Belorussian woman who joined Vlassov, she lives on in our family story heritage.
She had studied medicine before the war, and German language too. She didn't like Stalin's communism and had dreamt some day she might have the chance to gain practical experience as a doctor at a clinic in Germany.
Then the war came, Belarus was overrun quickly by the German Army, and now the Germans were looking for translators. She enlisted, and so she was assigned to a German petty officer who was in charge of the administration of three kolchos farms, he alone, while most villagers who had worked there before had just stayed and continued to work on the kolchos like before. She became not just the German petty officer's translator, she also was instrumental that he could develop friendly relationships with "his" villagers as he wished to. There is an old photo from this time showing her and the officer side by side on horseback, they look happy, both were compassionate riders.
They also knew the friendly villages and those you better don't go to. Thus was the ongoing partisan war.
Then, in1943, partisans approached her in secret and offered her a last chance to switch sides. She knew, if Germany would lose the war, this would be now the last chance to stay in her home country. If it wasn't just a trap. So she told the officer, now her friend, and asked him, "What do you think, who will win the war?" He actually was a faithful party member and just couldn't believe in Germany's defeat, but still he answered honestly he just didn't know. Anya decided to stay.
Then came the summer of 1944, the Red Army's massive offensive brought the front line close to Baranovice, evacuation order came. The officer arranged a wagon trek for everyone of the villagers who wanted to flee, and so they went, about 30 horse drawn wagons, all the way to East Prussia, the officer and Anya always ahead scouting the way, he with his map, she talking with the locals. After 4 weeks or so they luckily arrived in East Prussia, no one lost, all healthy!
But now he had to join the ranks of the regular army, and what could Anya do now? He told her about General Wlassow's division and found her a contact to join the division. Then came the hour to say farewell.
Anya joined Wlassow's troops, writing him how glad she was being there with likeminded fellow countrymen and -women.
Came 1945 and he, back in the ranks of the Wehrmacht at the Western front, didn't receive a letter for a long time. Sadly my grandfather never heard from her again.
No matter what my own government did I could never shoot at my own country men.
While I respect your opinion, I can't help but think that if you were a Soviet (be it soldier or civilian), that had gone through the war on the Eastern Front, it might differ somewhat.
If it's me or him? I hope he has his affairs in order....
Vlasov Was captured on July 12, 1942 not 1943.
He was not captured. Sadly, members of Patton's 3rd Army stood by and did nothing when Vlasov - who was supposedly going to a meeting with American generals, allowed Soviet troops to seize him from an AMERICAN JEEP!
Just like how we betrayed the Afghans.
Vlasov was set up for capture by the Americans, whom he trusted.
He was a traitor
Did you want the nazi's to win ww2
"Betrayed" a traitor who fought for the nazis? And then u fckn compare it to the Afghan situation how stupid can americans be lmfao
@@petersmith4202 how would giving Vlasov to Soviets help win the war?
And betraying communists is no crime. Believe me or not, but WW2 wasn't only about fighting Germans for many. For example, Poland was invaded both by Germany and the Soviet Union. Both states were hostile.
A patorl of Vlasov soldiers massacred a village in the Kysuce region in Slovakia , they killed 17 men and burned down many houses
You dont think that's just Soviet Propaganda?
@@tubeguy4066 So everything the nazis did bad is soviet propaganda but everything that the nazis said that the soviets did is true?
They killed 17? Whoopdie doo, that's rookie numbers. Both the soviets and Nazis killed a lot more innocent.
My grandfather fought for the devils imperial race, the ustasa! My other grandfather fought for the partisan communists. 1992 my father fought for the HVO in Bosnia, we lived in a war zone for 3 years. Now I live free in Canada.
Under Justin Trudeau, Canada is no longer free. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is ignored by his government.
Justin Castro Trudeau, like his communist father (Castro) Pierre, is a Jesuit trained dictator, just like Hitler, and Stalin were! They all serve that great Satan who sits on his throne in Vatican! Communism is their endgame. Going back to Middle Dark Ages (NWO). All roads lead to Rome!
@@Smyridon oh my soul. I subscribe to this channel to broaden my historical knowledge but why some individual's feel the insatiable need to add their religious perspectives to the comments is exhausting.
@@Smyridon You do know that psychiatric care is free and readily available. Use it and fast!
@@lvjuventus but only in Satanistic Canada, in God loving USA you have to pay for it...
What an informative report!
On the anniversary of “BARBAROSSA” yesterday on 22nd of June 2021 (80 years) one person mentioned their Polish father who hid in the woods on BBC 2 Jeremy Vine show...
“..what was I to do..if I hid in the woods I would be found eventually and be killed..if I gave myself up to the Soviets.(who had taken his land in Poland when the Soviets came in 1939 and deported his whole family to Siberia..and the reason he fled to the forests..none of his family survived Siberia..)..
If I gave myself up to the Germans..I was a dead man...If I joined the resistance..I was a dead man...if I was found in the woods by a farmer/huntsman...I could be betrayed..I was a dead man....”
Eventually captured and deported to a concentration camp..then “persuaded” to join the German Army was captured in Italy....and it does not end there..he then joined the Free Polish Army and fought at Monte Cassino..and...After the war knew..IF he returned to Poland...yes..you guessed it...would more than likely be either imprisoned or..yes..killed...
Well there you have it “soft people” of the West...this is the history of Soviet/Nazi colonist dreams...
It’s all taught about the Nazis but for all you people that lay your graces at Stalin...please look up the facts....and it is NOT nice reading...so on a historical perspective one has to look at Vlassov in a different perspective and take off our “21st Century rose tinted goggles”
(Edited because I couldn’t spell Vlassov)
Still can’t....!!! Yes...it’s Vlasov....
I do know. He was ruthlessly EVIL. He makes Hitler look like a schoolyard bully.
Just reading it, makes one break into a cold sweat! God, what a dilemma!
Interesting post....in Avranches, Brittany/Normandy there's a relatively new ossuary...many 100's of the men's remains there have African, Russian, Chechen, Ukrainian etc names....many have only nicknames....
My man pumping out the videos and I never comment my appreciation 😅
Correction: Vlasov fought for two of histories most evil regimes.
@@goldenhawk352 He is an opportunist, neither a hero nor a villain, just unfortunate in his circumstances. Morally, it's up to whoever looks at him to determine how evil or immoral he is, after all, he's been dead for a good 70 years
Very many can take that claim, for example the Polish who thought against bolsheviks in won Polish Soviet War of 1920 and then against both Nazis and Bolsheviks in second world war
@Hussein the supporter of KARA BOĞA There wasn't any war between Germany or Poland and Czechoslovakia in 1938. Poland only took a tiny bit of land, they didn't fight with the Nazis or against the Czechoslovaks.
@Hussein the supporter of KARA BOĞA those lands were populated by Polish and taken by the Czechs when Poland was fighting against USSR invasion in 1920 and unable to defend Western flank. Poland never had any alliances with Czechoslovakia.
Think you need learn a bit more about history before we continue discussing this, so you won't use false statements like that about vowing for example.
"The Knotsies"
Vlasov was a hero
You forgot "not"
@@vdagr8795 you forgot where pee is stored doe
The British were the only country that performed hangings properly and “humanely”. The American hangman at Nuremberg was a disgrace. He let the condemned slowly strangle to death after hitting their heads while going through the trap door. It’s possible he also engaged in other torture methods out of revenge or spite. The Allies were supposed to be the ones that dispensed civilized justice, not petty cruelness and revenge. Back to the subject of Vlasov, talk about making a wrong judgment on his part. He was as good as dead the moment he defected.. how could anyone in 1944 have thought the Germans had any chance of winning. He practically threw his life away.
@7:25. The war was already lost, at least on the Eastern Front, by 09/44. The Russian Liberation Army were dead men walking.
What the video doesn't explicitly say is, that many soldiers joined ROA to escape death by starvation in Nazi concentration camps. And it might have worked for some. Soviets executed the high officers of ROA, but normal soldiers could be just sent for some time to labour camp, so some of them might have survived and maybe even see the freedom in old age. :-)
@@Eltanin25 - Points for the bonus info!
Yet wasn't any allies who crushed the nazis. The red flag on the reichstag and Hitler suicide are facts, not your random fake news
Walk a mile in a mans shoes.
That’s a tuff mile!!
Won thing he doesn’t bring up that most likely had a huge impact on Vlasov turning sides was that Stalin had his brother murdered
That's a lie.
One* is the number 1 you are looking for.
Won means to succeed in something. Or close to it.
What I notice more than anything, is how much Vlasov looks like Stephen Merchant. Uncanny resemblance.
I thought he looked like
Steven Mnuchin !?
Lol goggle eyed freak
Yeah. He could certainly play him in a movie
You did not mention the fate of some of his army members who in Seattle, WA were informed they were to be repatriated to the USSR. At that many of them jumped overboard from the small vessel they were on in the harbor and committed suicide. Such was the fear they had of the retribution awaiting them in Moscow. Those that did make it back were later seen hanging from meat hooks in Moscow.
Do you remember where you learned this? Very curious to do more reading into this specific event.
If you’re not going to post a source where someone can read about it, why bother?
Interesting story. Have you considered a video about Beatrice Shilling and her contribution to the Spitfire? She was quite a feisty woman by all accounts.
You "westeneers" all have "oedipus complex" at some point. :-)
My messed up mind scrambled the word Traitor into Tractor at first.
Ah yes, we all know of the famed Soviet tractor that tired of communism and defected to the Nazi party. He was a damn hard working tractor.
These fking autobots man
Stalin or Hitler? Talk about “Caught between a rock and a hard place”! Like my wife and mother in law!
... Oh boy both are that bad..??.. Good luck.. 😦
That's what I was thinking. How does one make a choice between fighting for evil or fighting for evil??
reject your wife and marry your mother in law.
@@OtaBengaBokongo worse than my wife.
Ha ha ha very good.🙂
where is the Brutal Execution? let the title reflect the video.
its too brutal
to show
@@mth469 maybe to you.
He managed to fight for two of the worst people ever alive!
True
Simplistic lack of understanding well done
@@miles-thesleeper-monroe8466 - Simplistic lack of punctuation. Well done.
I wouldn’t say “ever alive”, but of that era, certainly
He managed to fight AGAINST two of the worst people ever alive. There, fixed it for you.
so this one is a " brutal " execution make a change from a "justified" one .
A very interesting piece. I have watched many of your videos but never had written. Long story short I chose to change that. I subscribed many months ago. So thank you again. I look forward to seeing your next video 👏👏👏..P
Great content 👌
There's untold more out there. They come from all branches, some came home some didn't. all races, all nationalities, all Americans. When you meet one you damn well better thank them. We owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
Well said my friend. We owe an unpayable amount. How do you pay people who sacrificed their lives some willingly jumping on live grenades, taking on missions that were known to be almost suicidal + the many other heroic things that many people have done + for little or even no recognition. No my friend we could never pay all of our heroic military members even 1 percent of what is owed them. We should however when coming across a soldier, shake their hand, tell him or her thanks for all you do. If you see them getting coffee or a meal + if you have money pay for it. I'm not a rich man but the little I am blessed with, I'm more than happy to pay for coffee or lunch for our people in uniform. And like I said I understand that many of us live paycheck to paycheck but think of it like this, without our brave men and women constantly putting their lives on the line so that I'm blessed to have what I have in a warm safe place. That my children + my 3 grandsons can walk around in the greatest country on earth but that cost isn't cheap. It's paid for in blood, lots of blood, and many many good people died way before they should have. My Father, my personal hero was 1 of the guys who didn't make it home. No unfortunately he died a really young man, 25 years old, 3 children all under the age of 5. On December 5,1965 my Pops was KIA in Nam. I grew up without dad + I can't lie it wasn't easy growing up without him and I eventually, slowly with God's grace figured things out, of course not everything but I had some good friends who helped keep me kinda on the right track, a lot of it was luck or maybe even dumb luck, like I said earlier most of it was God's grace. So I apologize for the long comment my 3, as you can see it's a pretty personal 1 for me for obvious reasons. Please be well, stay safe and thank you for sharing your comment because obviously I needed to see it + because God puts stuff in front of you sometimes because we needed to see it. Peace
@@robertgoines1831 your comment touched my heart... Yes, we all want peace and will continue to pray to the Almighty for it. I know it's difficult for you in regards to your father's death, but be comforted in the fact that you were surrounded by people who cared and loved you ...that helped you to continue on life's journey.
@@joypatrick6802 your Almighty is one of the problems not having peace between peoples...
@@filone1970 if you took the time to read what Robert Goines wrote, you'd notice that he mentioned God in his post.... I therefore have the understanding that he is a believer, so I felt comfortable enough to dialogue with him mentioning the Almighty God. As for you, I would never ever address you on the issue as you share other beliefs...good for you and more power to you. So to make it known, I have no interest in conversing with you, so there is no need for you to write directly to me, unless you're Robert... and please don't respond to this, it is pointless and unnecessary. End of story.
Yes we do
Sweet justice for a traitor
No tears were shed for Andrey Vlasov
Would you blame him after living in those horrible conditions in Russia, Samuel before that Stalin murdered a whole bunch of generals for no reason.
@@Metromania2022He fought for literal nazis that wanted to exterminate and wipe out the slavic people as a concept. How is that any better?
Only in the West, where Nazi collaborators are viewed as humanitarians.
@Metromania2022 Did you know that Vlasov was Stalin's favorite general, and was the only one not purged?
That man is a hero. RIP
XD?
Great video
Cheers
Anyone who will steal FOR me, will steal FROM me.
that's why Stalin
purged
many Generals.
Thanks again for very informative video.I had never heard of this fella before.👍👍
Hero
Nice vids
So if the allies executed somebody then it is called justified when the Soviets do the same it is not justified but brutal ...........not saying it was not ok the hang the Nazi butchers but the framing is quite telling
Yes, indeed, in particular if you look at the way the British bended the legal rules in order to be able to execute William Joyce, a.k.a. Lord Haw-haw. And that guy only wasn't involved into any combat against the allies but just read propaganda stories for the radio... .
"The highest art of warfare is not to fight at all but to subvert anything of value in the country of your enemy until such time that the perception of reality of your enemy is screwed up to such an extent that he does not perceive you as an enemy." - Yuri Bezmenov
Vlasov's trial was probably one of the first to have taken place during Stalin's time, where the accused really was actually guilty!
This story would make a good film
This poor man had no good choice. rest in peace.
He had many choices, from priest to agriculturalist, to communist general to nazi collaborator. If you sup with the devil, use a long spoon........
@@SuperNevile I disagree...
I can understand his predicament. Stalin's Russia was rotten. Anyway, loyalty to one's nation is outmoded nowadays and has few rewards. Look at servicemen disabled in wars, and left to deal with it.
Why does every tag line include the word brutal on these videos
Good question or justified execution?
Maybe because having your life snatched from you is brutal.
Yeah but it's getting boring constant execution content.
Because clickbait.
To discreetly communicate the producer's approval and disapproval of the subject; not subtle, but effective.
I always found it interesting that about 600k to 1.2million ex-soviet Russian mainly soldiers fought for Germany in ww2, the majority die fighting for them.
Source of that number?
The ROA (Russian Liberation Army) was composed of at the best 50k soldiers, not even close to 600k
@@guifdcanalli
You OK mate?
Don't believe I mentioned the 1945 Corp of ROA.... lol!
Also read more then just the first few lines of info mite help you a lot more in the future mate...
About 50,000 served in the 6th army at it's highest levels.
And there was over 100 battalions majority on the East front.
Several hundred thousand were in service in 1943 in different parts of the German military....
@@brianlong2334 I think you are talking about the Ukrainian troops
@@corbinglenn2567 Are you Russian?
Not really as what over 3million died fighting for Russia and only some 100k to 200k fought for Germany....
Estamated Russians who fought for Germany are 700,000 Slavic, 300,000 Baltic and 200,000 Turkic.
If we in the USA had lost 20 to 25 million in a war how would we deal with a defector general? No different I think. I heard General Washington offered to exchange Major Andre for Benedict Arnold but the British general would not or could not do it despite detesting Benedict Arnold. Major Andre was hanged. Arnold would have been as well had Washington caught up with him.
Exactly
But Washington was himself "a traitor" towards his British Masters. If we consider that chosing freedom from former Masters shall be always considered "a treason".
Lets be real here, Stalin had Vlasov's brother shot and with how well he was preforming and popular Vlasov was quickly becoming its likely Stalin would have had him shot iregardless of betrayal or not.
A JUST ENDING
FOR A TRAITOR ☠️
Sounds like a coward who would turn at a moment to save his own skin.
Defected to the nazi's ??? Seriously not a good idea. Always interesting untoldpast.👍🙂🙏
I guess he could only take so much of Stalin's fuckery.
Agree Simon! Thanks for your comment.
@@mathiasbartl903 Stalin had a mental breakdown probably.
@@AA-jj6jv --- Like Adolf H., Stalin earlier had been diagnosed with venereal brain damage.
@@mathiasbartl903 ….so leap to hitlers fuckery? Seriously?! Stalin was alive. What the hell did he think this would happen?!?! This guy was an idiot.
hero
I can understand why he would defect given how awful Stalin was, but fighting against your own people when they are going through such suffering.. its hard to sympathize there. Its one thing if he defected and fought in some other front, but against his own people... that is pretty low.
Furthermore, he sided with one of the most brutal and genocidal armies known to man, not some random adversary.
@@glebvlasenko1141 Both the Red army and Wehrmacht were brutal and committed unimaginable atrocities in WW2.
@@DZ477 you’re forgetting that only one was hellbent on genociding Jews, Roma, and Slavs
@@DZ477 I love seeing fascists and communists fighting each other. I only feel sympathy for the civilians caught in the middle.
@@glebvlasenko1141 The other one was mainly massacring and starving to death its own people, but I guess that doesn't count.
Traitor huh? Big words...
Why do all these video sound like I've missed the beginning? The way "during the second world war" comes out always sounds like something should have proceeded it. Don't get me wrong! These videos are amazing and informative. I really learn a lot! It's just that one oddity strikes me.
Vlasov got what he deserved. Glory to the Red Army. Glory for ever !
Very few photographs of the hanging were taken. I have seen only one so far, and it depicts General Vlasov, his Chief-of-Staff, and 2 (or 1) other fellows literally dangling together from the same goalposts!!! There's something very tacky about hanging people in that fashion, but that's also how Iran carries out executions - no drop, just a stool, which is then kicked away.
I mean, do war criminals really deserve a quick execution by hanging? I say ley them suffer
@@nicolasoboukhov5815 you will just become your enemy thinking like that
@@nicolasoboukhov5815 Id say being a member of stalin's government and his army's hierarchy also maker you a war criminal. Vlasov was a 'war criminal' hung by other war criminals. History is written by the victors after all.
@@germanoslav46 I dont think so. We should all strive to make things the right way, those who commit atrocitties and are condemned to be executed shouldt be given a quick death. After all, where their víctims given any mercy?
@@t.g.troughton8245 who would those war criminals be?
The British Encyclopedia of 1964, volume 5, page 250: From W. Churchill's speech in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959 on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin: The great happiness for Russia was that during the years of difficult trials, Russia was led by a genius and unwavering commander I.V. Stalin. He was an outstanding person, impressing the cruel time of his entire life. Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and indelible will, sharp, harsh, merciless both in business and in conversation, which even I, raised in the English parliament, could not oppose anything. Stalin, first of all, had a great sense of sarcasm and humor, as well as the ability to accurately express his thoughts. Stalin wrote speeches only himself, and in his works there was always a great power. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples. Stalin made the greatest impression on us. His influence on people was irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, all of us, as if on command, stood up and, strange business, for some reason held our hands at the seams. He possessed deep, devoid of any panic, logical and meaningful wisdom. Stalin was an unsurpassed master to find in difficult moments ways out of the most hopeless situation. In the most difficult moments, as well as in the moments of triumph, he was equally restrained, never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a huge empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his hands and forced us, whom he openly called imperialists, to rebel against the imperialists. Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with soh, and left equipped with atomic weapons. No! Whatever they say about him, such history and peoples do not forget.
Lmao.
Churchill made no • speech about Stalin in 1959 , no speeches at all in the Commons after his retirement in 1955. Lol. Nice try.
He did admire Josif Dzugasvili , considered him great man of the century and still thought of him as a mass murderer. Which is funny because Churchill was flawed , in India they consider him in same light for Bengal famine…
@@digitalcommunist6335 I will not argue on this topic. What can I prove to a man who only wants to hear himself? The USSR of Stalin from the country of the poor and illiterate, became a power of the fed and educated. Repression, its scale, this is the fiction of psychological warfare
@@digitalcommunist6335 How far is Bengal from London? What population of India died at the hands of the English conquerors? Before blaming Russia, remember your sins.
@@sebastian_pereira409 Imperial Britain plundered ,by modern estimates, between 20-40 trillion$ only from India during few centuries of rule. As far as death goes , they ( colonial administration) are directly responsible for anywhere between 5-8 million deaths . Mostly with their indifference towards helping during draughts . They were skillfully playing religious, caste , tribal divisions within India for own gain. And unfortunately they never paid for what they did. But since times are changing and UK is fading into insignificance while India has every chance of joining USA , China , EU as future superpower.
Stailns regime did modernize USSR compared to moribund, decadent Imperial Russia. There is a reason why revolution happened. And they did it within generation. That said ,Stalin was also biggest mass murderer in human history after Mao. And just like Mao he mostly killed his own people.
@@digitalcommunist6335 convincing the illiterate of his ignorance is hard as throwing a stone on the Moon. Emphasis on the word repression, part of the psychological war "an elephant is inflated from a fly"! V.N. Zemskov, Russian liberal historian (!) In his book "Political Repressions in the USSR: Real Scale and Speculative Constructions" documented: the proportion of those repressed for political reasons in the population that lived in 1918-1958 is 2.5% (about 10 million in relation to over 400 million). This means that 97.5% of the population of the USSR was not subjected to political repression in any form.
I feel bad for him. He was a HERO !!!! 🙏🙏
Oh?
Not surprised after looking at your username
@@gnas1897 Same, he looks like a wehraboo
@@i_suck_at_this_but_idc3754 SS is not wehrmacht, lmao
@@i_suck_at_this_but_idc3754 expected from a kid who plays robloxs
He got what he deserved in the end. No doubt about that. He fought for the army that killed his own people, not just communists. There can be no excuse for what he did.
Executions by the Nazis: brutal
Executions of the Nazis: justified
Perhaps this channel could do with less adjectives with these videos, as much as the channel itself is good.
Excellent video never even heard of the guy wouldn't have mattered who they surrendered to they would have been handed over to the Russians and got what they deserved!
It is better to die like a hero (general Karbyshev for example who also a POW) than live like traitor.
The traitor received his well deserved punishment. What’s so brutal about that?
🤷🏻♂️. I have no idea. He deserved it!
The question is whether what Vlasov did and paid for was really a "crime".
The Soviet Union wasn't any better than Germany, they were responsible for starting WW2 alongside Germans
I love me some history!
Merci
the man was stuck in a horrible position, he had two horrible people that were as equal immoral. both ideologies hurt the population of their native countries.
Very true.
Unfortunately he chose to side with the worst individual to make matters worse he chose the losing side
Stalin killed lots of people Hitler wanted to depopulate all of Eastern Europe
@@jamesricker3997 i suggest you look at what stalin did in his own country and his policies led to china becoming communist.
thank - you .
The Germans biggest mistake, if they had positioned themselves as an army of liberation then millions of the poeple of the USSR would have joined them. Nevertheless hundreds of thousands did. When they invaded the Ukraine they were greeted with flowers, salt and bread by the locals.
Heck it even happened when they crossed into the parts of Poland that were occupied by the Soviets. Townspeople erected swastikas at entrances and some town councils even collaborated with the Germans in killing Jews. One bizarre pogrom happened in Szczuczyn in June 1941 which was halted by a passing German unit. If they knew how they’re fellow countrymen were treated back in the General Government it’d be a different story.
I love these videos
Another brutal execution without brutal execution. But which was 1000% justifiable. (So my dislike because of the misleading title!!)
General Vlasof's face resembles the face of Mexican President Gustavo Diaz-Ordaz (1964-!970) who killed more than 300 unarmed protesters, mostly students, in Mexico City, on Octuber 2, 1968.
Traitor to who. Perhaps he did not wish to suffer the experienced horrors of communism?
amazing that he survived Stalin's infamous armed forces purges
So did Zhukov...Rokossovsky, Chuikov, Timoshenko, Vasilevsky, Bagramyan, Konev, Novikov...
But to this guy he seems to worship the Communist and wouldn’t consider that a purge.
@@petebondurant58 Zhukov and Chuikov are the same, just a different way of scription.
@@johanvandermeulen9696 Those are different people. Vasily Ivanovich Chuikov and Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov.
@@petebondurant58 Thanks a lot for this interesting information. O confess: I never heard of Chuikov, neither of Vasilevsky and Bagramyan. The latter must be an Armenian.
Was so hard on civilians back then
Which one do you hate the most during the 40's: the Bolsheviks, the Chinese Communists or the Nazis ?
All the same group pretending to oppose each other as an excuse to murder their own people.
@@joemcarthy8124 actually, the Nazis killed very little of their own people. Probably why they are so hated worldwide, as they attacked so many countries. Communists are worse to me in that they killed mostly their own citizens, and mostly during peace time... while supposing to be for the good of the people! But people forget that if the Nazis had won, they had plans to kill millions and millions of people and enslave millions more. They expected that 30 million Soviet citizens would die in the very first winter (1941-1942) had they won! Talk about being cold blooded. So while Mao and Stalin beat Hitler's death count, it's just because he lost... But he did murder mostly people from other countries, unlike communists. Both are awful in their own way. Yet privileged college students somehow still think highly of communism!
@@MVProfits I agree with you. Mao killed (and starved) between 80-100 people, Stalin did approx. 40 million (incl. starving them)......25 million died in WW2, Hitler killed approx. 6 mil. Jews. Those are the numbers I got, please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@viskovandermerwe3947 you are wrong you are right about Mao hitler killed 27 million soviets the figures on stalin are simply made up conquest who popularizec them admitted that before he died
Not much to choose from, all villains.
Andrey Vlasov, um Herói, para mim, no passado, no presente e será no futuro...
Why is every headline in this series ‘BRUTAL EXECUTION’? Hanging is the most humane way of executing a person, they lose consciousness immediately and feel no pain at all. Why? Because hanging is not about suffocating, or breaking the neck. It’s not about closing the windpipe so one can not breath. It’s all about stopping the bloodflow to the brain, which is done by blocking the two main arteries in the neck by a ligature. Death comes fast and in a painless way. Just mentioning.
Well, given that it's the soviets, I doubt that they hanged Vlasov properly and made him suffocate to death.
Lessons learned: Never betray the Motherland.
Andre Vlasov acted from deep grievances of conviction as with many of "people who turned;" eg. German Gen.Von Paulus in Stalingrad.
Vlasov had legitimate grievances against Stalinism. However, he only defected after his capture; and he collaborated with the Nazis who committed massive atrocities against the Russian people.
In the valtic country's he rises statues of those criminals and call them heroes with the blessing of EU
What kind of bs are you talking about?
@@tomasmikalauskas7145 Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine ,Estonia ,did they nazi lovers or not?did they rise statues of Pantera and give to the former ss members pension or not?did they forbidden communist party or not? Ho told ps now?fck nazi lovers?
Vlasov is a Russian hero in the fight against Soviet fascism. Respect!
You deserve the same fate Vlasov had
Executed as a traitor
@@thechekist2044 yooo the chadkist is here
So this is the winter adaptable general
I would have gone up to the Russian general, standing on the box, and said,
"My condolences, General Vlasov: here-- have a Vlasic pickle!"
Britain has one now called Andrew Adonis,
Looking forward to some videos on communist atrocities...
Hopefully he does some.
In the meantime… rense.com/general39/allied.htm
Andrei Vlassov was hero and marterer