EVERYTHING TO KNOW ABOUT CHAINS! HALF LINK VS FULL LINK VS SHADOW SUPREME!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2020
- That's right guys, on this episode of Tech Thursdays brought to you by Epic BMX (@_epicbmx) and Phu Vu, is the chain talk! In this video we compare 1/8" vs 3/32" chains, traditional full link vs half link chains, The Shadow Interlock V2 chain vs The Shadow Conspiracy Supreme BMX chain and how they work on sprockets, drivers, freecoasters and cassettes!
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This is my new favorite channel!! As an old man getting back into bmx bikes, this is an awesome way to get updated. Thanks guys!!
Same here Jose.... Bought a BMX and DJ the month after turning 50. Gotta do something during the off season of mountain biking.
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The first half-link chain was the Interlock chain from The Shadow Conspiracy thanks to Byron Anderson and Ronnie Bonner.
I rode my supreme chain for over three years I eventually stopped riding because it stretched so bad that there was a crazy tight and then loose side. I love my interlock though. They don’t last as long but I just buy a new one once a year and it keeps my bike feeling good.
Great shit man, love the content I literally have learned so much in so little time. Keep it up, guys!
I have snapped about 3 Interlock V2 chains, and my buddy Harry snapped his after only 3 months got a supreme chain and its held up great so far!
Anyone remember the super thick 1/2” chains in the early 2000’s with the super thick sprockets? The chain alone weight over a pound.
Damn right! Black jack sprocket and super think chain. I believe the wheel needed a thicker free coaster too
Yes. Kink made the chain and sprocket. Was absolute overkill lol
@@mikedevlinbmx7208 kink made the black jack sprocket? Profile made the black jack sprocket.....
Came here to say this. Hard as fuck to pedal too compared to a regular chain lol
@@negligent666 I had the Sharps Hardcore sprocket. My friend had the profile playing cards one.
Been riding for years but there are still things I don't know. Could listen to you explain BMX science to me all day man. Subbed. 👌🏽
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I appreciate the knowledge gentlemen, excellent video. You make it look easy and it's not.
That explanation was spot on with teaching old dogs like me. Right on brother
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Thank phu and alfredo for the vlog is the best thing on youtube
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I used a KMC 415H Chain 1/2" x 3/16" mid school bmx fat chain in 2004 to 2007 indestructible concrete metal no mater what I didn’t brake it. It was incredible but really heavy
Thanks for the tips 👍🏻
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Incredible video, thank you❗️🤙
Been riding Shadow interlocks on both my bikes for the last 5 years and theyve never broken,kept their shape,havnt had to replace anything on them.Unless your running your chain really tight(which will ruin any chain)Shadow chains are pretty damn tough.I run my chains loose as hell and theyve held up for like 6 years before i ever broke a link.
Getting into bmx you give the quality info that’s one needs to improve on there knowledge and know how to not look like a total noob thanks bro keep it coming
Our pleasure! :))
This was helpful you should do a video on frames with stepper headtube with stepper forks or how to setup chain tensioner on your bike
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One of the biggest reasons the interlock chain faces that direction is so there is no plate leading edge at the 6 o'clock position on your sprocket. Hitting the leading edge of a plate with a regular chain is the most common reason for a chain snapping when grinding.
Love the vids dude
Thanks my dude!
I learned so much thanks dude
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Interesting stuff bro. I’ve been riding over 20 years and didn’t realize the half link chains are smoother on the drivers than the standard chains. What’s awesome is I just ordered an Odyssey Bluebird half link bc I run a standard chain with a single half link and the half link keeps binding or kinking up. So when that happens your chain starts to try to pop off the sprocket or something. You probably know what I’m saying. Anyways I was glad to see this video. Keep up the awesome footage. You got a sub from me.
Thanks! Just to clarify, if you cut a link on your chain, the rear hub will get forward half the length of a link. You would need to cut two links to push it forward one link length. That's because you have half of the length above the sprockets and half below them, so, what you said about the dropouts being one link long is partially true. You can still get the chain to size, but yeah, half link allows you to be more precise.
one thing worth mentioning is that the shadow supreme is a lot thicker than other chains, so it may have a difficult time fitting between hub and its guard, or in a sprocket with a guard. I have mine for about 4 years now and its still in a really good shape. very streched though
How much stress is there with a 10 tooth? Is this where it starts to be ok or can 10 also be a problem?
if i get a new frame and/or sprocket (mostly sprocket) do i need new chain? or even back wheel?
raced bmx with kris fox on the same factory teams for like 10 years. good dood and amazing rider
1/2 links have been around from at least the 80’s. Possibly older but not sure. They just weren’t popular and were hard to find.
But were they KMC?
Alfredo Mancuso that I can’t say for sure. Pretty good chance it was. Possibly Izumi 🤷♂️
Tbh, half links have been around for a really long time in machine use. They just started being used in bmx in the last 20ish years or so.
What chain should I get for my bmx same thing with my pegs idk which one to get
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Wonder if you could help me I’m wondering what size pedals fit into my red line flight Kranks
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Thank you much!
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So will a 1/2” x 1/8” half link chain fit on a narrow/wide chainring..?
I like the kmc hollow links and pins chain very strong and lite
so your saying or kinda say its best to go with half link? i just wanna know for my bmx
hey just bought a new half link cult chain to put on my bike but when i pedal it clicks heaps and is really loud
Hey Phu! I want to use chain tensioners with Pegs or Frame Standers. What do you suggest for each? Thanks bro! Love the channel!
Radius is the measurement of half the distance across a circle. The full distance (twice the radius) is the diameter. The outside measurement around the circle is the circumference. 🤙🤙 Great video.
Thanks for the education.
Can you use halflink chain to narrow wide chainring 104bcd on mtb?
Thank You 🙏✌️
question can you show the difference between the regular bmx chain and the half link chains pins and how to pull them apart
what chain type you explain is good for grinding or chain bashing
I want to find an oddessey front hub with 4 bearings as apossed to two but can't find it and if it has a 3/8th axel that would be great I don't like female bolts because of my pegs
You left out the 3/16 chain from back in the day remember the profile black jack the chain was like off a dirt bike how big it was
Are you guys going to go over anything about cruisers? 24” setups and bar rise
Do a video on gearing and why the old school bikes had bigger sprockets.
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No reason at all. Just the technology wasn't there. We had freewheels and they could only go so small.
@@googleaccount4159 well a main reason we have smaller spockets today it for room for brakes so the chain doesn't get in the way
@@googleaccount4159 I’m mean there were cassettes back in the 70s though
Do you have a gyro rotor/detangler for hydrolic brakes? Im using a dj mtb bike. Can you make a review on that? And do you ship to the philippines if ever?
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Hello, i really like your videos, always very informative.
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Maybe u can help, its a Mongoose 2020 legion L100 series as new and rock stock standard, twin wall rims, cro-mo frame, folks, bars and cranks but they r only 2 piece chro-mo cranks, will that b ok or should i b using 3 piece chro-mo cranks because im heavy, what do u think would b better, its as new and my riding ability is ( none for 25 years ) when i was much younger i was able to keep up with the riding style of most but now i think i will b on my arse or in hospital alot 🤣🤕, also the bike has a 21" top tube, i would appreciate any feedback u have about the L100 Mongoose and if it sounds like the rite second hand bike for me to buy so i can c if i like the sport again and not spend 30,000 baht on a new WeThePeople Trust that have just reached thailand but i dont want to get the best till i know if i like or if i dont like the bmx riding, i will only use once if i dont like it, thank u for your time and all the effort you put into making the vids, 1 last thing, r u in thailand as i would love to visit your shop, take care, Jay.
A lot of the schwinns had short dropouts too so if you were messing around with your gear ratio a lot you could get a half link that would fit the full length chain. It had a link that was male and female on the same link. I think you could still get those I don’t know.
What about the Odyssey key chain?
Can you use a half link on dirt jumper raceface narrow wide chainring
That red chain is sick!
what's the better half link chain to buy?
Sucks the half chain won’t work on my Santa Cruz V10CC with X01- 7 speed DH shifter.
For the supreme chain direction, isn't it supposed to face in a way that has the crows upright facing the front?
Correct but the shadow interlock only has one position to be placed in while the supreme has 2 ways it can do
@@AlfredoMancuso Hi,I am assembling a Chineese 2 stroke engine kit on a bicycle and I was wondering if I should buy another bigger chain tool to work on the 3/16 chain supplied with the engine kit or will your Park tool even work well on 3/16 or bigger,chains like on a motorbike?
I've seen a half link chain somewhere that the "smooth" side had the side plates coming over the top of the chain. (you couldn't put it on the smooth side towards the sprocket, because there were no gaps for the teeth to go into on that side) Looked like it was designed to grind on.
KMC KK710 Kool knight chain, double L bridge to protect the chain when grinding.
Correct. The stolen ballandchain is flat topped as is the shadow interlock. Possible a few others. Now look at primo or merritt and the surface of the chain is the same top and bottom and only the actual direction makes a difference
I still have one of these!!
you convinced me to buy shadow conspiracy interlock v2 :D
is there a link to this chain breaker?
I didn't know that, thank you PHO,ok now you and al need to go to the factory so we can see how they are made....
when he shorten that chrome chain,he did even said he could place a Master link to them 2-male links
can you put a half link chain on skyway mags?
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What’s a good half link chain breaker?
Individual half links for 1/8 " chains have been in bicycle shops as a problem solver long before BMX bicycles became available.
my 1st shawdo Interlock chain lasted me 4-years,I just replace it last month, its the best Chain to run hands down!
Loving my black an silver v2 shadow .... absolutely would recommend to any one . But one thing I see most of all at parks an street if bad chain care and to many people, think wd40 will do the job. Dont no use wd40 on any chain
how many times can u cut a chain?
But will the half link go on a sprocket with a chain gard...im about to find out. So wish me luck lol
Whats good guys, hey can you do a video on hub driver 3 claws, 4 claws vs 6 claws and loudest ones?
do they make one in yellow?
Phu can you do a review on a complete radio bmx review please as I have the chance to buy one.
I've had my Park Tool chain breaker since 2004. Great investment.
Cheeeers brochachi!!
I have a question, maybe no one can answer... On 1X, with narrow/wide chainring, does it matter what tooth you put the chain link on, when applied to the front chain ring? As in, does it make a diff if you put the narrow link on the wide tooth, or narrow tooth of the front chain ring?
The chain will only fit wide link on wide tooth then the narrow link lines up with narrow tooth.
Got a supreme on 2-3 years now. 😂👍🏼
Yessir I’m early and any long lasting 100 psi tires u recommend I should buy from epic when I get money saved
You only really need 100psi tires if you’re going to ripping around gnarly ramps going 20 feet in the air. Get yourself a new set of Shadow Tires and you’ll be hyped!
Alfredo Mancuso bet bro it’s cause I’m 200 pounds so I don’t wanna hit hard and blow the tire and mess the rim up
@@gerardoreyna2118 get maxxis grifters or éclat mirages
I remember the first half link chain I heard of was Shadow
Where’s your bike shop at ?
Wheres the shop at my man?
What about the Odyssey keychain?
I wish they still made it.
Who made the Bmx half link first? Idk
Half link chains were the first type of chain used in the Industrial Age of the world....the machines used to make these chains have mostly been decommissioned....
Except 3 of them....take a guess who got 1.... 😊....and I heard that it was a nightmare to find the parts to retool the machine....
Phu! Miss that guy
SO why don't they just make a chain that is beefy like the Supreme one but also make it directional? so that way its also like its best of both worlds.
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How do I identify which we the people BMX bike I got
You guys Should do something on breaks next
My half link broke this morning right where the kink is... OMG
Shadow Supreme is a beast!!!
3/32nd chains are plenty strong enough for trials riding (very high torque loading) so I'd have thought they'd be good enough for BMX? Its lighter too, the chain *and* the sprocket/chainring. Half link chains aren't popular in trials riding as they stretch under load (because of the diagonal side plates) meaning slow power engagement. That's not generally a problem on freestyle BMX, especially if you run a freecoaster but I expect BMX race bikes would avoid them for the same reason.
You can do the both female ends together with a missing link.
The Shadow Interlock was the first half link chain in 2004.
Lots of half link haters out there....i ride the interlock,
V2 mainly because I got it cheap but it is soo much easier to work on
It really is
Uhhh, i don't think the supreme chain is directionless. I've installed two now, and there's a little instruction sheet detailing how the chain should be installed in a specific way
Mines on backwards just as a nod to Mike Aitken. For whatever reason he runs his reverse. And I realized after and said f it lol
@@mikedevlinbmx7208 backwards or inwards?
the supreme is good. very good. you will wear out the pin holes before you break a link.
cool