Godzilla vs Kong - Big, Dumb and... Fun?
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2021
- Who wins in a fight between the big monkey and the big lizard? Well, I've finally seen it, and it was very 'special'. Join me as I review Godzilla vs Kong.
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"Some of these fights go on so long, you forget why they started."
Sounds like my first marriage.
@@silentecho92able ruining the joke fuckn tryhard and yours not even a good one...What MSG is trying to say, is that his second marriage didn't go on as long, and he still forgot why they started. Leave the poor fella in peace in his own marital misery with his fifth marriage.
Mine as well except Kong and Godzilla did less damage.
Please tell us you didn't get married AGAIN!?
Absolutely
@@silentecho92able yes this keeps happening, how can i avoid this? im sick of fighting robot versions of myself and my wives
*Star Wars fans:*
"The movies you like are stupid"
"No, they are not!"
*Godzilla Chad fans:*
"The movies we like are stupid"
*"Yes"*
y e s
Yes, yes they are but damn are they fun to watch though!
C H A D Z I L L A
YES
but unironically this
"You don't watch a Godzilla movie for the compelling storylines. You want to see monsters blow shit up."
DAMN STRAIGHT!
Well, you do two of them, imo. The original and Shin.
Something Godzilla 2014 forgot...
That's a child's needy habit there.
I prefer both instead of being forced down the ladder
which is 20 minutes of this movie. Pure garbage.
“Godzilla vs Kong really is just a big dumb monster movie, and really nothing else”
And that’s exactly what everyone wanted out of this movie
But with better monster fights we care about.
@@nofreebeer Its Godzilla and Kong. If you already dont care about it then theres nothing else to do.
@@DenerWitt I want there to be stakes in the fight, Kong got his shoulder dislocated and without knowing anything about anatomy he just crushed his shoulder into a building *without toppling it mind you* and completely fixes himself and godzilla scratched up Kong to high hell and they just kind of brushed it off. Zilla got so much head trauma in the movie he is about as cognizant as the drinker himself yet he just kind of roars and swims away like nothing ever happened. And what about all of the giant monsters from the last zilla movie that pledged their loyalty to him as if he were their king? Guess they just wanted to see his rule end asap. And also when kong should've buried the axe (made out of zillas fin somehow) into his head an explosion happened instead of zillas instant death. If anyone put enough thought into this movie and pointed out everything wrong with it the review would be longer than the movie itself.
only for the godzilla and kong fans that were already invested though, not really everyone. I hope you guys realize how expensive making a movie like this is and making a good or just storyline for the whole movie instead of like 30% of the movie can go a long way to get people to check it out.
@@After.Heartache Like I said, if you already dont care about zilla and kong theres nothing else that can be done. Its the rule of cool all the way, like if a giant monkee and lizard with lazer breath were realistic in any way. Also they cant just throw a lot of shit in the plot. I rather they keep it a solid small plot than a bloated confusing mess.
The problem with focusing on characters is that you get less of what you actually want: Monkey and Lizard fighting each other.
Millie and the gang could have been cut out. We coulda got more about Sarazawa instead and much else.
If you want that then your probably a very shallow person.
do you REALLY want 2hrs of fight scene? it's like having sex all day long, sounds nice in your head, but 2 hrs in and you just want a shower and a nap like an old man.
they need to build up and pace out the fight scenes SOMEHOW. the human stuff should probably be focused on hyping up the fights and providing breaks between them. trying to make the humans "relatable" characters with tragic backstories and deep motivations is the problem, you look at old monster movies, the humans are random military dudes and families not doing much but reacting to monster stuff. The best instance of the humans being actual characters of any sort is in Gamera movies where there's this bizarre "Gamera, friend of all children" thing going on that works due to the sheer absurdity; his theme song is a bunch of kids singing this happy (and creepy) kindergarten tune, its great.
@@slenderman3310 So having fun is being a shallow person? You must be fun at parties.
They should have made the monsters the main focus from the beginning. The human characters are often really dull and boring. Like, in kotm, there's godzilla and ghidorah fighting and it suddenly cuts to the boring mom character running around on the ground doing a "heroic sacrifice" or some shit. Just ruins the whole pace of the fight. And the fight itself wasn't all that great either.
That said I still firmly believe that a talented crew can make a compelling story and characters you care about while also having giant monsters fighting. Like, maybe the destruction caused by the monsters fighting could lead to different groups some wanting to destroy the monsters and some seeing them as forces of nature that we have to learn to live with. Maybe the humans try and succeed in killing a monster only for it to lead to catastrophic consequences because of a massive gap in the food chain. You could explore all kinds of interesting concepts with these instead of the man vs nature theme they always use in the most shallow way imaginable.
Drinker: “the plot is next to non-existent”
Kaiju fans: “I miss the part where that’s my problem”
Most people don’t even care about the plot we just wanna see giant lizard fight big monke.
@@noble6isbetterthanmasterch136 not true, you dont speak for most people. you're just parroting what WB wants you to say
@@mohegansun2439 no no they are saying what most kaiju fans are thinking.
@@mohegansun2439 sorry man it's true for all of the other movies one of the biggest complaints is they would always cut away from the monster action when it got started to look at the boring human characters when the only thing we wanted to see is the awesome fight scenes between the kiju
@@mohegansun2439 maybe, maybe not, but the people expecting anything more out of this movie than what they got are dumber than the movie itself.
Here's the leaked script:
🦎 beats 🦍
🤖 beats 🦎
🦍 helps 🦎 (😭❤️)
deep
Thanks, now i don't have to watch it, i had a feeling that was all they did.
Rock paper scissors 2.0
I’m going to get a tattoo of this. It’ll have more meaning than most of the others I see.
@@fluttershystayshigh4202I swear I've seen you in a manlybadasshero comment section today bruv what am I doing here 😭
The fact that Godzilla and Kong move slowly most of the time is one of the things about their biology that actually makes perfect sense. When you're unbelievably huge, there's no reason to expend a ton of energy when there's no threat.
Just like Yoda limping around with his cane, until it's time to throw down.
Even if you're nuclear powered?
Oh yeah, that’s like if I sprinted as hard as I could around my house
My dad actually said the reason Kong even made it since the first fight, was because of his flexibility, other monsters and Godzilla have really big and heavy bodies, and Kong has way more flexibility than others.
@@arrhazes8198 even real animals are like that hippos and rhinos dont do much alnd onoy start getting sctive when they percive a threat. Lions spend most the day sleeping. And for a more direct comparison gorillas spend most the day lounging arround and crocodiles just leisurely swim and relax
Drinker: There’s no plot other than big Monke punches big lizard!
Me: You say that as if that wasn’t exactly the reason people watched this movie.
Yeah that's all I wanted it to be after the last one's "plot" kept getting in the way of Smash.
@@mainstream2226 I was so grateful they never cut back to the humans’ reactions, despite my love for the scenes with Rebecca Hall and the little girl.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 They kept us squarely focused on the monster fights. There are certainly things I'd change (Have Mechagodzilla in it more, have Rodan, Methuselah, and the other KotM Titans actually show up) but exactly 0% of it is connected to the human characters
I missed the part where that's my problem.
Yup and the first thirty seconds were a perfect assessment of why.
Scientists: You can’t shoot a hole into the center of Earth.
Godzilla: “Objective: Shoot a hole into the center of Earth”
People: Godzilla is here to protect us!
Godzilla: I’m gonna flatten this city of millions because.
Nice DOOM Eternal reference
@@dasboom7133 I'll gladly brag about being killed by Godzilla
@@Sgt.Dornan117 You're gonna have a hard time bragging about it though...
Really tho, no one can see the pattern on how godzilla only destroy cities with Apex labs in it
If you were expecting Schindler's List from a movie where a giant lizard and giant monkey punch each other, you're going in with unrealistic expectations.
I dont except a masterpiece. The writing and story just needs polishing. Also, it completely drops all the storylines from the last movie
No, what we want is a plot that we can follow. There needs to be a reason we want the hero to win and the villain to lose, to make the fights compelling, and a good reason why two heroes would fight or else we wouldn't enjoy it
@@klh768 Exactly. The human story in Godzilla 2014 was compelling because it explained why the monsters were there, gave us a new perspective while still focusing on the monsters, and generally didn't rely on cheesy jokes and "My wife died so that justifies me being a shitty character" like GvK did. Human stories can work, but not when they feel like they came first with the monsters being an afterthought
@@kadiriolanipekun6486
Maaannnnnn
SCREW A POLISHED STORY!!!!
SMASH!!! BASH!!!! DESTROY!!!!!!!
ICONIC GODZILLA SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
I'm Good...
@@Espartanica Bro the movie is called "Godzilla vs Kong" a giant lizard vs giant monkey not Godzilla and human friends fans and most people came to expect 2 monsters fucking each other up
Guy: Godzilla's hurting people and we don't know why.
Me: He's a radioactive lizard bigger than a skyscraper with a laser breath attack what were you expecting him to do pick flowers and teach kids the value of friendship?
Well, some ideologies believe evil is taught
So I guess a nice session with a gender studies advisor might be able to calm Godzilla down and contemplate what actually makes him happy
...which after enough -brainwashing- therapy would ofcourse result in making him into a HER to become happy
@@Nightdare with Mothra gone until she reincarnates I don't think much can make the G-man happy. Especially since he's probably still on edge with the idea of kong parading around
@@lilshokan
Now,. now, nothing makes Xir more happy than the -destruction- reeducation of masculinity
Given that in 2014 he was trying to stop an extinction event and in kotm he was protecting humanity and by the end coexisted with them and defended them him suddenly attacking is out of character
"There’s no plot other than big Monke punches big lizard!"
Fans: "That's why I am here."
Is anyone actually pretending they went to see it for anything else??? I mean... its literally in the title 😉🤣
Fans were pissed at literally every other Godzilla movie because it was 95% people we don't care about and maybe 2-3% Godzilla then 2.5% credits
Exactly.
If anything, I could have done with some more monkey/lizard punching and less squishy human stuff. I don't watch kaiju movies for human melodrama. In short, I really liked the movie but thought it was too cerebral. Just give a child Kong and Godzilla action figures and what emerges is your screenplay...might as well throw Optimus Prime in there too just for the hell of it.
Have they seen the silly story plots of the Godzilla films from the 70's 🎬
Yeah, no one gave damn either 👍🏻
As someone that was stationed on an aircraft carrier. Thank you for sparing a thought for our expendable lives during a giant monster battle. Lost too many good friends via spontaneous lizard gorilla brawls.
that’s some real shit 😞
No one talks about the dangers of random kaiju battles. Glad you made it out the otherside
Testify, brother.
Thank you for your service.
When I saw multiple ships get trashed I was thinking they're going to address that, but NOPE!
Unlike pacific rim uprising, this is actually a very fun dumb movie, exactly the type of entertainment to enjoy during this stressful time.
Giant lizard fights giant munky.
Giant lizard and giant munky teams up to fight giant robot lizard.
Well that's what I wanted from this movie.
Critical Drinker: This movie is just monsters fighting each other.
Godzilla fans: YES
Im a Godzilla/Kaiju fan and this is trash. Well its fat Ami Godzilla so yeah....not the real Godzilla. Only the japanese know how to make good Kaiju entertainment. This is just a Hollywood CGI turd...lame.
@@KillyRR go put on your kimono and make out with your body pillow somewhere else
@@KillyRR Well over half of all G movies could be thrown in the trash using this kind of purist logic. Cool it
I’m also a Godzilla fan and GvK was honestly meh
@@sniff494 uhu i dont have both but ok. Well all you people can do is attack and insult people who have a different opinion. Sad...
Your right though around half the G movies arent really good but theyre still better than the YankeeZilla movies from legandary....pffffhahaha
Do you even know Ultraman?
My wife: "Hey babe, what insightful and complex plot movie are we going to see today?"
Me, an intellectual: "Monke"
🤣
We have reached a point where Pacific rim is seen as a base reference for monster movies. Awesome
I think this is easily the best movie of the year. No pretentious politics, no pseudo-deep plot, just a bunch of over the top fight scenes that were fun and had lots of things exploding.
Agree 😊
"What do you mean it's not a good movie? The monkey just punched the lizard."
No, no, no…
The lizard defeated the monkey.
Lets play psychology.
The monkey is the US. The lizard is China.
@@MarshalRedDog you spelled "japan" wrong
@@MarshalRedDog nah let’s not
@@MarshalRedDog I really don't think the movie goes that deep, or should. These big monsters have been around much longer than that. Notably , Godzilla reflected the use of America of atomic weapons. In effect the USA created Godzilla. And on the same note , It was capitalistic forces that sought to enslave King Kong for their profit in1933.
Neither monster can be attributed to China.
, but IMO, Chinese monkey slaves created out of the ruling lizards of the USA in the way the world works now , does have some appeal.
monkey go oo oo
When a character is drinking scotch with ice cubes in a dark room, this guy is the villain.
Kassandra
So drinker is the villain eh mmm......
@@Sgt.Dornan117 Drinker drinks from the bottle. Antihero?
Only villains ice their scotch
Lemme get my Scotch from my shelf then. Should I get some cigars, too?
"It just becomes exhausting to watch for a while." HELL NO thats what i wanted to see. Forget all that human crap, just show them fighting. "With no physical damage to each of them." What movie was my dude watching. Kong was cool but that dude legit got his arm dislocated, got scratched the hell up and stomped to the point where he was about to die. xD
And Kong buried an axe in Goji's ass.
Not to forget kong got burned by big G
@@aerohard thiccc thigh
Dont forget mecha tail spinned goji twice back to back
Didn't his heart stop as well
I just watched and at the end I thought “you know, they made the evil guy a little too over the top but he actually had a pretty good point. Imagine a world in which Superman is a chaotic neutral, lex Luther becomes the good guy”
Using King Ghidorah’s remains obviously wouldn’t end well, but the movie treats simply wanting to make a weapon that can face the Titans on even terms as if it’s inherently wrong.
Kaiju fans didn't come for an arts movie or something on par with the Godfather. We came to watch monsters beat the crap out of each other and humans getting stepped on in the process.
Kaiju fans are just dangerous furrys.
@@comawhite5913 your pfp sir,
I haven't seen this one yet, but in The King of Monsters, they didn't step on enough humans. Seriously, I hated the people at the center of that movie's shitty family drama so much, had one of the monsters stepped on and killed that whole family in the first act, it would have been a better film. And they had Charles Dance... Why wasn't he the main villain?!
@@ressljs He was the main villain, or co main villain with Ghidorah. Main villains don't have to have a lot of screentime, though I do feel he is slightly underused
@@ressljs Because he is an elderly suawe gentlemen, especially unsuited to go head on with the nucelar powered death lizard the size of a skyscraper.
This is the film version of getting drunk and smashing your old toys together.
RIGHT
Well fuck it, lets go!!
Which is something you think drinker would know
Rate all eps and rezero series a 10/10 it is a masterful character study
m.imdb.com/title/tt5986832/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep18
Thanks
Characters are humanic and relatable
Lmaooooo
Good human drama in a monster movie has been done
See: Jaws
The Cinephile judges a Godzilla based on human plot? [Wheezes]
We didn't ask for a human plot, in fact the fans asked for VERY MINIMUM human plot.
Monke and Lizard go boom.
perfect movie.
@@ttv_mrjack6749 I didn't. I want a good human plot. Sorry to say but a movie that just monsters would get boring after a while
@@mackenziecarver6807 1 year.
@@mackenziecarver6807 Quit lying. You know for damn sure you don't want to watch a giant monster movie just for the humans. You can go watch King of the Monsters if you want that type of Godzilla movie. If you don't want that type of movie... then you might as well stay away from monster movies in general.
@@treyrex5987 excuse me?
Godspeed to the camera guy who filmed all these fights, a true hero
The camera man is the most powerful movie character.
If anyone knowS how I'd like to know???..... still can't believe I didn't hear about this on the news but to be fair they're too interested following Oprah or whining about how crappy we all are. Hey ho.
And all the GoPros lost for the pov shots
I'd say the guy who trained the Gorilla has got to be up there too.
Underrated Comment
So it’s literally a big screen version of the family guy episodes where Peter and the chicken beat the shit out of each other for the whole episode?
Pretty much
Exactly.
Basically
Thats the best episode of the show
100%
Pacifc Rim:"Let's build giant robots to kill giant monsters!" = heroes.
Godzilla vs Kong: ""Let's build giant robot to kill giant monsters!" = villains.
Did i miss something? 🤔
Pacific Rim kaiju: evil and humanity threat.
Monsterverse Titans: Some are benovelemt some are danger to humanity.
I like how theres still substance to the titans themselves, there was alot of careful thought put into their characters
Sometimes a movie is like a gourmet meal, and sometimes a movie is a greasy cheeseburger. Honestly sometimes I need a stupid fun movie to remind myself that it's okay not to take everything so seriously all the time. This movie was refreshing to me.
there are several sequels of sharknado
Sharknado is just dumb
This was more like nachos with a lot of cheese and some jalapeño...
@@mohegansun2439 Sharknado just sucks and has no reason to exist much less be popular
@@557deadpool well regardless it was popular
When my son was 4, I was watching him, flipping through TV channels, and up comes Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla. For a 4 year old boy, this is why TV exists. Giant dinosaur fighting giant robot dinosaur. The house could have burned down around him and he wouldn't have noticed.
Sometimes it's just fun to switch your brain off for a little while, and watch the giant CGI monsters fight.
This comment speaks to me. The day Mario 2 came out a house a block away exploded due to a gas leak. I never set the controller down.
Don’t forget the old school guy in a rubber suit
Thousands of sailors just died!
Lizard and monkey fighting! Get me a beer!
Semper Fi Hoorah!
My 8 year old kid theorized that Kong’s axe was made from one of Godzilla’s ancestors’ spikes. That was why it needed to be “recharged” by Godzilla to get to full power. 🤷🏻♀️
0:56 “I’m harder than u mate” “nah I’m harder than u” 😂 I was laughing so hard
"It's kinda weird how they move in ponderous slow motion under normal circumstances, but when it's time to fight, they suddenly become as fast and agile as a pair of wild dogs." *Drinker has clearly never seen a punch up between two drunk, middle aged Yugoslavs* .
This comment is criminally underrated.
The decision for changing the tempo honestly has a reason to it. This is traditionally applied by japanese filmmakers when it comes action oriented kaijuu movies that is still practiced till these days. Ultraman series for instance, still uses this technique. Slowmo only to emphasize on their size, wide angles to assess their surrounding. And when the illusion that they are big is finally delivered, they go all out with the fight with having no need to maintain the slowmotion, just so that they could deliver a thrilling action
nonono, Drinker has clearly never watched a classic Godzilla film
@Domagoj Čović was he born in the 40's, or in the 60's? 😉
Wait, Yugoslavia still exists?
Godzilla VS Kong is basically a popcorn flick. Nothing wrong with mindless fun from time to time.
This movie wasn't made for quality it was made for monsters smashing the audience love it and they know it.
@@Dimmary If someone goes into it expecting something deep and realistic, the important question to ask is how stupid that person could be to think that a story about a giant lizard and a monkey can be deep and realistic to begin with.
yeah dude, not every movies need to be deep as pacific ocean and realistic as real world drama. We need fun and smash movie like this more.
if you make these movies realistic, the monsters die under their own weight or have starved to death because they are too big
True. I actually like this movies because I can turn off my brain, and just watch it without having to think about what I just watched!
“If you dont figure this out within 30 seconds of her arrival you are probably a character in this movie”.
The BEST line EVER!!!!
No Godzilla or King Kong movie has ever had a *good* plot. Yet, I still love them. Well, the big G anyway. Been watching that shit since I was like 5. First 24 hour movie marathon I ever sat through was Godzilla movies. They are so campy and dumb, but something about Godzilla just really captured my heart. The only things I care about in these movies are the giant monster fights. And honestly, the design for Legendary's Godzilla is awesome. Probably my favorite rendition of him so far.
Kong's okay too I guess, but giant lizard with atomic breath is just so much cooler than giant gorilla with... slightly above-average intelligence for a gorilla.
3:37 Physics? My dude. Do you see the size of those animals? Physics left the building, got on a bus, and went to Albuquerque. If anyone brought physics into the equation they'd both collapse and die almost instantly.
The fact they didn't shoe-horn a single romance is just perfect to me. They knew what we were there to see. And for what it was meant to be, it delivered.
It's a big, dumb, monster movie. Doesn't need to be anything else, and neither does it pretend to be.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lord, I HATE when they do that.
I was hoping for a save the environment or BLM message. LOL
not. Watching today at IMAX
@@TheRoidemortetfleur Nah fam, honestly so glad a major movie production didn't shove any unnecessary bullshit down our throats. I really respect this movie because of it all
Everyone keeps using this lame excuse. It's not that I went in expecting brilliance but this was just horrible in every way. They made Kong look like shit, Godzilla already looked liked shit, then on top of looking like shit they made Kong a total bitch who constantly got his ass handed to him and needed to be saved by the idiot humans no one even wanted to see. What a disgrace to 1 of the most iconic Monsters of all time.
Brain dead, filled with explosions movie with lizard beating up monke and fighting a japanese mech: I'm fine with this
I mean .... you signed up for it nah 👀
*fighting a japanese mech in a city that china thinks it owns.
You mean a US/HK mech?
@Paul Martin Hey its okke to have people like something which you dont :D
no politics , no think of the Children , no pretentious subverting of expectations , no Mystery Box ... i needed this .
Thank you for making a point that many seem to overlook. The fact that the other titans were non-existent in this movie, compared to the last one.
That was actually my biggest gripe about the movie, as I thought there were intriguing story prospects there which were wasted.
Is Drinker blind? It’s very obvious how much damage is being dealt. And Godzilla and Kong are very definable characters. So seeing them on screen is always a blessing.
"Oh no my big monster fight movie doesn't have an in depth human drama and diverse characters!!"
*Any monster movie fan*
"Yes. That's the point."
I agree! There is no logic or sense in giant monsters, and trying to make sense of it doesn’t make sense in itself, just enjoy the movie
Not really. You can have "an in depth human drama " especially considering the little girl and her connection with Kong. They simply just skip that for superbattle which is foolish.
Seriously, it's a ton of fun.
@@Durante_di_Alighiero They tried that with Godzilla 2014. The film focused almost entirely on the human perspective, exploring the consequences that kaiju fights would have on the people around them, and the ways that people would adapt to this new reality. Most audiences didn’t like this though. They wanted more “monster goes rawr” scenes, so can you really blame Legendary for listening to them? I for one loved Godzilla 2014, but I’m perfectly fine with having these monster goes rawr movies too. I think they’re both good in their own ways.
@@Durante_di_Alighiero Fans of the monsters don't give a fuck about the human element. You should just go back to your reruns of "This is Us" and leave the grown-ups to their own things.
This movie was exactly what I expected. Sometimes you just need to watch two monsters go at it to escape this horrible world.
Neon infusion, Nailed it.
@@bigwinz it was good
@@bigwinz It was decent enough. I agree with you over fusion, but the movie did a reasonably good job of balancing the human action and monster action, and making Kong the protagonist was a good choice, and he actually has an arc. Unlike KoTM, it actually delivered on what fans wanted. And the action is better than CD implies. There's a clear narrative to the battles. I agree that it would be nice if the it was better done, and I'll always prefer the Godzilla films which actually deliver in the brains department, but the movie nailed the monster action in a surprisingly well done way. It's not well written, but it is well str8uctured if that makes sense.
Basically, it was well executed dumb fun. Unlike a Michael Bay transformers movie, it earns the right for you to turn your brain off. Again, it would be preferable if it was genuinely good, but it is good enough to guiltlessly enjoy.
@@bigwinz It's a movie about about giant animals punching each other. What else do you expect?
@@bigwinz because expecting a good story from a movie trying to make a giant radioactive lizard fight a giant monke who them have to fight a giant mech made to look like said giant lizard is hard, also all I cared about is seeing giant monsters laying the smackdown on each other
I grew up on monster movies and this latest run has been the best, despite all the blacked out fight scenes in the reboot that started. The cast didn't even show up and the CGI monsters deserve the Oscar nod. The rough A.I. was a subplot that caught me off guard.
In my opinion I think the 2014 godzilla is the best of the three, I absolutely loved the theatrical shots of godzilla and the soundtrack that complemented it. The China town fog scene and subway doors closes to godzilla roaring were my favorites and really made him terrifying.
2014 is the best godzilla movie, this GvK is the second best next to it.
2014 was the best. It’s been a steady decline since then…
Spoiler Alert: Kong says "Save Martha!" while under Godzilla's heel. Then they team up to defeat a greater threat with a glowing green (I mean blue) weapon.
No, Kong says "Save Mothra."
"Mothra" not "Martha"! ;)
You heard it wrong, he said: "Save Mothra!"
Notice how WB intentionally put that scene out🤫
you guys aren’t getting the joke/allusion he’s making lol
Godzilla vs kong being a bar fight is the perfect way to describe it
It really did look like it tho
I actually kind of agree with Drinker on the implications of the destruction and the loss of human lives. The best Godzilla movies worked so well because they really emphasize the full magnitude of what levels of destruction and despair these giant monsters can bring. We take a moment to actually think about those things. But not so much with GVK and King of the Monsters(2017)
"You don't watch a Godzilla movie for the compelling storylines. You want to see monsters blow shit up." On the surface, this is also the appeal of Pacific Rim. Though Pacific Rim actually had the humans fight the Kaiju in giant robots, rather than conscripting a big ape they couldn't even be sure wouldn't just team up with Godzilla...
"Nobody goes to watch a Godzilla movie to see if Jeremy gets his kids in the end buddy. The human drama is irrelevant." -most Godzilla fans I've seen that defend the bad movies.
That being said, if you're gonna include it, you might as well put some effort into it.
Human drama can add something good. Imagine how impactful it would be watching Godzilla chew on a screaming person for five straight minutes if we knew that they just quit drinking or something.
@@Sidharthavicious You have a point, all I'm saying is that the human drama will always take a backseat when developing a decent monster movie.
@@L1LegoAnimations exactly
@@L1LegoAnimations I prefer humans taking a backtooth in Godzilla's mouth rather than backseat.
@@Sidharthavicious Sounds boring. Did Godzilla break into his famous dance while chewing?
Its a Godzilla movie. You have to be drunk to think it should be deep. Also, Thank God, they finally made an American Godzilla movie where you see Godzilla for more than a few moments.
he is drunk
I mean, it's in the name "Critical *drinker* "
To be fair, The Drinker does make a few good point, even running with the idea of this just being a dumb, fun, monster movie. Some narrative stakes, while not always necessary, would have been nice to add a bit of context to the fight itself and might have made the tact on human moments a bit more entertaining to sit through.
Also, if the Drinker is correct in his observation about Godzilla and Kong not taking any noticeable damage or injuries during their fight, then I sadly have to say that is a strike against the movie. Have the fun of watching a big monster fight is see how messed up the monsters get wailing on each other while they keep fighting through their injures. It adds tension as well as a visual indicator at who has the upper hand in the moment and in what way.
With all that said, I'm sure Godzilla V. Kong is an entertaining move, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out its short coming or demand more from out big, dumb, kaiju fight movies.
Its a godzilla and kong movie lol but ig u could say more zilla bc of mech
@@curnott6051 both Godzilla and especially Kong do take noticeable damage during their fight, so I'm not sure how he missed that. It's not super intense, but still pretty noticeable. Also, the human characters even mention how the two sort of fought in 'rounds' to help the audience understand who is winning each stage.
Godzilla vs Kong came out in the middle of the pandemic, so it was a good film to turn your mind off for a few hours and just enjoy watching two monsters beating each other up. Nothing more.
"With no real damage being done to the other"
Really drinker?🤣
“Ridiculous, Mindless, and fun” That’s is essentially what most Godzilla movies are
I’d say yeah but the 2014 godzilla was hella boring
@@loopitt I agree with that, there’s was more human interactions than MONSTER fights in Godzilla 2014
@@loopitt Walter White died in the first 30mins..what do you expect
Even shingodzilla?
@@mrxyz985 SOO...you are saying...Godzilla 1998 is better then this ??
Geeky science guy, who they call "coward," saves their lives no less than six times. He also saves Kong's life. He's the only human who does anything. Except for the fat friend who somehow disabled the robot lizard's tail by spilling a drink on a console.
Oof.
Omg, I know right? He was the most brilliant character in the movie, he basically also fulfilled his brother dream and entered the "secret world". Apart from being scared from Kong (which is a normal reaction, it's abnormal the other characters aren't), all he did in the movie saved the butt of the other characters several times. In comparison the "Kong whisperer" lady apart from carring the little girl around did literally nothing of value xD I hope it was intentional, otherwise what a story script fail
That 'coward' scene was just another feminist moment. Excuse me if I feel uncomfortable around a beast 100x my size that can kill us all with a flick of his hand and not even blink about it.
@@PappityPaps right?!
@@WarlockX4 that’s not it, the scientist and Jia have been around Kong for 10 or more years, so they are used to him, the “coward” is a fearful due to never seeing Kong in person before and it’s a giant monkey the size of a building.
Critical Drinker: "Is being a big dumb blockbuster enough"?
For this, yes. It's enough.
My ten year old loved it, and I love hearing him go on about it. So there's that.
this movies are basically as deep and complex as a WWE match und this is the reason why people wanna watch it
Actually, this movie had a lot more thinking go into it then most of today's WWE booking. No distraction finish, no count outs, and no disqualifications!
@@mdanam All of these are very good points. Lmao
@@mdanam that's actually less thinking
Can not fault your line of thinking there.
Though I'l wait fer the blu ray thingy to get my "C'mon Gojira... smash monkey head" fix 🤣
@@mdanam Godzilla King of The Monsters was the epitome of WWE booking. When the oxygen destroyer came in, they should of just hit Kane's music.
No one ever goes to see a King Kong movie or Godzilla movies for the humans... we just wanna see kaiju fights
I do. Original 1933 Kong and Jackson's 2005 remake actually had good human characters that complimented the story. Of course those were the days when movies tried to be something else than endless CGI smackdowns.
Godzilla (1954)
Shin Godzilla
GMK
when you say no one ever , that means you speak for everyone . please dont speak for other people , because i want to see more than that , KvG is a disapointing stupid movie . I had more fun watching first Godzilla and Kong movie , last 2 movies are trash
The critical drinker is an idiot.
Exactly, one of the reasons the Western godzilla movies have sucked for so long is cause they focus on shitty and boring human characters instead of what people came to see, giant monster fights.
I had one expectation for this movie: make the fights cool. And it was met. 10/10
Good breakdown, and thank you for making the point about Mecha-Godzilla that needed to be made: he WOULD be the good guy, if he wasn't corrupted and then decided to destroy everything!
The scientist guy in the vest kind of has an arc. He's less afraid of King Kong at the end. I never said it was a good arc.
"coward" 👐 = brave
Well you are right it is an arc of some kind.
Science guy? His name is Eric Northman.
Agreed. It's like the flavored sparkling water of character arcs.
Everyone in Team Kong is useful.
-Pennywise's older brother ever tried to go to Hollow Earth but couldn't enter and caused his brother died. He's also the one who suggested to bring Kong and even reviving Kong.
-The scientist lady is there as the supervisor of Monarch for Kong and she has been Kong's keeper for the last 10 years and studying his behaviour.
-The deaf girl is Kong's best friend and communicate with Kong and she's like Toph from Avatar The Last Airbender who can sense through the ground but instead of blind, she's deaf.
Meanwhile, everyone in Team Godzilla is totally useless.
-The podcaster guy is just a theory conspired and has been undercover for Apex to discover what's going on on the company and he didn't do anything to stop them.
-Millie Bobby Brown's character even though she's the daughter's director of Monarch just there to convince everyone that Godzilla isn't bad and becomes walking exposition.
-Meanwhile, her friend is just there for some reason until all of the sudden he becomes the real MVP to shut down Mecha Godzilla by pouring the alcohol.
Also, there's no way they all arrived at Hong Kong very fast even still in the same day and Kyle Chandler also in Hong Kong for some reason.
Honestly.... I love seeing big dumb monsters. That's literally all the original movies.
Ever since Godzilla Raids Again (1955), yea pretty much
That and hardboiled detective stuff. We dont get much of that anymore, unless I missed something
In these newer movies I don’t feel either Godzilla or Kong are dumb. Kong displayed more emotion in this movie than the humans
@@Icanonlycountto4 was that a potential kamen rider w mention? 👀
@@Skilful_basics8 please Kong's boop moment has more emotion then every dc movie and biden Harris press conference put together
Old skool Godzilla movies was all about entertainment. Screw character development and movie plot. I watched this in the Dolby Cinema and was thoroughly entertained. For this movie, that’s all I wanted.
Just recently watched this with my little nephew and we had a blast! it was fun!
Ultimately, did anyone have high expectations of the story? Probably not.
Did the audience have fun when we got to see a bunch of classic movie titans duke it out? F YEAH.
@LOAN NGUYEN
the reason why toho ended the godzilla franchize was because people got bored of it.
the milenium reboot series got record low ratings and was a major disappointment and was canceled again soon after it started.
and yet for some reason wb starts their movie series from what was litteraly that exact low point the franchize had been at in terms of writing and storytelling.
all i can see from the "monsterverse" is a dumb and senseless cashgrab that will go nowhere and be discarded as another hollywood failure soon.
@LOAN NGUYEN
theres an easier way to turn your brain off than to subject yourself to mindless stupidity.
its called sleep.
@Sir CroakAlot nah the cgi was alright. Perfect film to go with friends, just vibes and big monkey.
@LOAN NGUYEN that's an insult to scary movie, that actually had effort put into the jokes.
@LOAN NGUYEN ok cool, seems like u missed my point
"It's like any two Scotish guys meeting for the first time" 🤣
As someone who visited Ireland three years ago, i agree with this.
... until that drunk Swedish giant shows up mocking them. So they team up, beat the sh%t out of him, then beat up each other again ... and then all three go have a drink together.
@@Blechfuchs sounds chill
Cap Drunkard vs Count Danukula I’d love to see myself tbh
Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!
I guess the point is, the original Godzilla movies were made for low budgets, but with these films they are spending hundreds of millions of dollars...couldn't they find a couple hundred grand to hire a decent writer?
Yes, a better movie would be icing on the cake but we really just love these movies to watch big monsters beat each other up for 90 minutes.
It is what it is. They wanted a franchise and this is what you get with a Godzilla or Kong franchise. Them fighting the villain of the week like superheroes.
Yeah, but even this braindead franchise has differences. Skull Island is the only one i would call a decent movie, because not counting Captain Cheesecake, there were some attempt at character building and genuine thrills. Also Hiddlestone, Goodman, Reilly and even Jackson in his Captain Ahab mode were hell of lot better actors than annoying zoomer teenagers and cardboard "scientists" that plague rest of the "Monsterverse". That said original Kong and Godzilla movies are so much above this trite that it's not even funny.
From a purely critical standpoint I certainly think Skull Island is the best in the series.
i like first Godzilla and Kong movie , last 2 movies suck
Rate all eps and rezero series a 10/10 it is a masterful character study
m.imdb.com/title/tt5986832/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep18
Thanks
Characters are humanic and relatable
@@mikavirtanen7029 You thought Skull Island was great? I think it's the worst of the franchise.
I almost pissed myself when kong pulled a "Riggs" and reset his shoulder. What a hilarious nightmare
"I got that reference"
Iseewhatyoudidthere
In the credits for the film, they credit "Lethal Weapon 2". I swear I'm not making that up. I waited through the credits for a post credit scene and saw it.
Having dislocated my shoulder twice, I know that pain.
Kong is getting too old for this shit.
You forgot about the stranger things Mary Sue girl, who knows exactly where to go and what to do and nobody stops her.
TBH I don't care. I just want Big Monke to punch Big Lizzard
That doesn’t even happen at all lol if anything it’s the conspiracy podcaster who knows more than he should, sounds like you have some projection issues
I actually forgot about it, I was just too mesmerized by the two titans beating the crap of each other and had an erection when Mecha godzilla appears
@@Charlie-fk4ly yes yes
@jomiloju ayodele well the podcast guy said hed been researching apex for years and had brrn working for them. Madisons parents were two of the beet experts on the titans and her father is now the director of monarch that seems to be a good reason
"It's like any two Scottish guys meeting each other for the first time." So my parents were telling me the truth when they said I was 50% Scottish.
I turned off my brain for two hours and had a great time watching this movie.
Exactly
Me too
Same here
Same
Same. But my vertigo and epilepsy didn’t like a few scenes
Pros:
- Giant Monkee & Giant Lizzie punching each other
- Giant Monkee, Giant Lizzie & Mecha Lizzie punching each other
- no drama
- MBB reminds me of Leia
Cons:
- Human plot suck. But then, the title is Godzilla vs Kong...
The human plot was perfect. Humans existed, had clear, logical and understandable motivations. And those motivations made Monke and zilla fight
So the movie didn't need to be a movie?
It's just a copy paste of batman v superman lmao.
@@PrechtGaebolgHades I guess you didnt see one of these movies. Or both. Hell, it doesn't even seem like the Drinker watched this one
@@stravickovmahn9505 Iunno. I think I agree with Drinker on it. Human plot was super lackluster and wouldn't fly in a normal movie. A complete tropefest. Honestly, the human plot was more of a conspiracy theory iceberg than a movie plot. However, if I am to quote Aristotle, "Monsters did beat the shit out of each other, tho." I liked all of the monster fights. I think the movie delivers on the promise. The human plots were the worst part of Godzilla movies, anyways. At least here it was more decent and it didn't feel overbearing.
Human Characters having to much screentime? Check!
Monster Battle having no weight behind them? Check!
The Studio to afraid to declare a true Winner by killing of the other one becuase it would piss of one of the two sides in the fanbase? Check!
At least they gave Godzilla the deserved technicle win.
I gave this a thumbs up because all your criticisms were valid. However they were irrelevant. I wanted the monkey and the lizard to fight, I wanted them to team up and fight the giant robot. The movie gave me what I wanted.
Drinker: I was expecting more than just an hour and a half of two giant monsters fighting.
Godzilla fans: First time?
I was really surprised by this review... It honestly does sound like his first time watching one, lol
@@Jamie_Pritchard I know hes the 'critical' drinker, but I think sometimes you gotta know when to just have fun. Not everything needs to be deep or nuanced.
@@johnherb4243 I totally agree 😁
In my opinion he’s way to pretentious to take seriously, not ever movie has to be overly deep.
@@maninthemask6275 facts he's just annoyed that the movie is trying to be fun.
Let’s give the VFX team a round of applause for the cgi like mechagodzilla was actually really cool
It was
That is why I watch these shows, I call this movie a win.
Certainly was on point. Helluva job
Are you kidding? Please tell me you are
@@robertshaw5243 STFU
Was having a shit day and then randomly watched this, made me laugh multiple times - well done sir
"You don't wtach a Godzilla movie for the compelling storylines. You want to see monsters blow shit up."
Has anyone here saw the first Godzilla movie?
It’s a turn off your brain and have a lot of fun with it movie. In a year where we’ve been disappointed with many, MANY films and shows, it’s been nice to have something that’s on the mindless side, that knows it’s mindless, and doesn’t try to be anything more than that.
in a year where everything has been off, finally a movie that knows its place
that argument never works for normal people you do realize that dont you?
What TV show/ movie isn't a "turn off your brain" thing?
@@henkhenkste6076 Define normal.
@@cerebelul There's a difference between TV Shows/Movies that force you to turn off your brain because they're that bad (despite their attempts to take themselves seriously) and TV Shows/Movies that know you're supposed to turn your brain off to watch them and lean into it.
If you look for a story, character development, or a plot, you will ruin your weekend. Sit back and enjoy, i guess.
If you're looking for a memorable soundtrack prepare to be disappointed if you're looking for good action prepare to be disappointed.
@@diobrando5896 Dude your icon is Jojo character, TF do you know about good action, LMAO, i give the memorable soundtrack tho, Jojo good song, baaaad action.
@@jameslevin9720 I know plenty of good action.
Kong had to get saved by people 4 times.
And doesn't even beat mechagodzilla without people spilling bourbon on the console.
Its a bad film at least in king of the monsters Godzilla got the kill ghidora not because of a technicality.
“ Godzilla got the kill ghidora not because of a technicality”
Only after Mothra sacrificed herself to give him her energy, and because Emma used the Orca to distract Ghidorah long enough for Godzilla to acclimate it.
I’m not complaining about either instances either, the entire theme of the Monsterverse in man working alongside nature.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Don't forget the Japanese scientist sacrificing himself to blow up the nuke to supercharge Godzilla. The theme that humans and monster need each other just as much to ensure balance to nature is a good theme even as crazy and chaotic as it looks on screen with millions of people dying as a result.
First movie I’ve went to cinema to see since the big C started. I paid less and enjoyed it more then streaming it at home on my tv or pc. Wasn’t too upset about it or the MK trailer .
Your summary of the plot is perfect. I expected nothing more or less from my giant lizard vs giant monkey movie.
The best thing this movie did was remember both Godzilla and Kong are more than just giant monsters. They're characters, and it shines through practically each and every single moment they're on screen. From the emotions they display on their faces to Kong speaking... it's just fantastic. I'm glad that had been carried over from KOTM, we really needed to see more of their personalities on display.
@ShadowByName Yes, it is widely known that lizards (giant ones especially) are able to create myriad facial expressions and gestures.
@@gwarlow I know right? I hate when Iguanas shoot atomic breath at me from up in the trees too.
@@Deathvolume03 tell me about T-rex..
@@gwarlow Suspension of disbelief. Is it dumb, of course, but it’s fun.
@@Dimmary I don't think T-Rex could breath atomic fire, but I can't say for sure.
“I thought he was a girl till someone called him Josh” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 literally in tears. Thought the exact same thing
I'm sure the casting director needed to call a plumber to figure that one out too.
Stop dissing Julian Dennison, damn. Kid’s a decent actor
I knew he wasn’t a girl, because he was in Deadpool 2 lol
My 6 year old son call him a "she" and I didn't have the heart to correct him.
@@princesssmileyface91 i though he was the spiderman friend 😂😂😂
Do we want anything more than a giant monster fight in a movie like this?
Maybe... But "WOO MONSTER FIGHT!" is also fun!
Yeah, the main thing I was disappointed in with the movie was there *WASN'T ENOUGH MONSTER FIGHTS.*
I never go into a Godzilla movie expecting a deep character story. Sometimes dumb fun is just fun.
I think the problem is that there wasn't ANY character arc, let alone a deep one.
The explanations of why things were happening were pretty shallow. They didn't even try to fight Godzilla a single time before recruiting Kong.
@@purplespark8 Quote: *"They didn't even try to fight Godzilla a single time before recruiting Kong."*
They probably didn't do that because to do so would be insane.
@@BigJwlz Yeah but surely going to Kong straight after one attack seems far-fetched as well
I mean I wasn’t expecting much, but history has shown it is possible to make a Godzilla film that actually has a good narrative. Monsterverse movies have been fun, and I want them to continue... but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed by the deteriorating care for telling a good story. Dumb fun is good with Godzilla, but I feel he’s consistently been done a disservice over the years by both Hollywood and Toho, with notable exceptions
@@purplespark8 What do you suggest the screenwriters should have written them to do as an intermediate step?
This is the epitome of a “turn off your brain” movie and they’re aware of it. I JUST wanna see big CGI fights, and that’s all I want
And they deliver perfectly just that..
That's all any movie is now, I'd prefer something better.
Just watch the last fight. That's the only part of the movie you need to watch
Yes, but Pacific Rim did it MUCH better. I go back to rewatch that because it was fun. This was fun but totally forgettable, and the lighting design was SHIT. Too dark or the not quite space ship was riding the unicorn farts. Blech...
I went into the movie with the same idea and also thought it was shit
The first pacific rim is still my favourite monster flick.
Godzilla 2014 was by far the best of the three.
Kong Skull island is the best by far.
I went to the theater to see it yesterday. It might be the most ridiculous movie I’ve ever seen, but the fights were great and the rest was mostly, hilariously entertaining.
@Korero Korero Agreed. It’s definitely one to watch on the big screen.
You have a thing called 'cinema'???After being locked down since Christmas I'd pay to watch this stinker, tbh and love it..
I had a giggle at the references to the 60's Kong vs Godzilla. Like Kong getting revived by electricity, or the ridiculous airlift scene.
Or jamming the axe into godzilla's mouth. Kong used a tree in the original
Ngl I really expected the Godzilla drop kick
Or the aircraft carrier supporting the weight of both monsters?!
hey at least it ain't OVERSIZED BALOONS carrying king kong. that shit had me in the floor laughing
Or kong rolling and hit his head
Also: Monarch knew Godzilla was heading to Hong Kong. Didn't evacuate the city. Kong and Godzilla started fighting and you could still see people in buildings.
We get invested in Kong with the constant theme of going home and him finding his family since we learned in Kong Skull Island part of the reason he's as aggressive as he is is because he's a lonely pissed off orphan and we see that once the girl tells him "your family might be down there" Kong with 0 hesitation dives straight into that hole cause all he wants to do is find more people like him again and find his real home. The comics say the Axe belonged to Kong's father before he abandoned it to go to Skull Island thinking it would be safer (obviously that failed cause both he and his wife died and yes they should've saved it for the movie but its not 100% unexplained at all in anything) Godzilla isn't "just kinda roaming about" he's destroying mecha godzilla parts since they're all crafted with bits and stuff of the severed ghidorah head from the king of monsters end credits scene. Which is why he attacks all those bases with Mecha G parts... And finally Mecha Godzilla was treated as an evil creation and not an equalizer for the humans because A. they showed there was no need for him to be made anyway since they have a line towards the beginning of the film about how very little kaiju were seen in years up to this point (which means most likely no one really died from these things at this point) and also shady businessman was doing it just because he hated Godzilla and wanted power for himself not to better humanity as a whole
However yes there are issues with the movie.
Yes basically all characters except Kong, Godzilla(even still we already know all about him from the previous 2 films) and the Girl are all poorly explained and have basically no reason to be there. Yes it's weird how most character development and plot details are mainly discovered by quick "hard to get a feel for" lines and such. Yes Shady Businessman villain is cliche as all living fuck and he doesn't really do anything to stand out in the genre at all aside from "being the Dos Eques "stay thirsty my friends" guy"and Sirazawas son's role and sudden death makes no sense whatsoever and he should've been saved for another story but this movie does still have moments where you can care about the characters(at least some of them) or get invested.
Is it rushed?
Yes.
Could it have been better?
Yes.
Is it still a movie worth investing your time in if you care at all about kaiju lore even if most the human plot is boring aside from Mecha G stuff Adventuring with Kong and the occasional good joke?
Yes.
There is a reason to be invested here despite the issues of the film.
@@Nonconformist515 delays and reshoots aren't what make a movie bad in the slightest. The Star Wars OT had multiple reshoots and changes all throughout are those bad movies?
@@Nonconformist515 ok either way your main arguments for why this movie is bad so far are "it was delayed twice and the action figures are bad" any actual plot arguments or have you seen the movie yet?
@@Nonconformist515 ok 1. Name what's actually wrong with Hollow Earth you can't just say "Hollow Earth" and expect everyone to universally agree that's a bad thing or a point of criticism
2.we don't know if it's sunlight it could be the earths energy glowing and illuminating the sky but ok I'll give you that one
3.The Blue Energy is literally directly tied to godzilla to the point where them activating it physically affects him and we see him start to dig into the hollow earth because he felt it they say it's natural radiation multiple times as well
4.aside from it just kinda being there and we don't get a scene of Kong realizing it was his father's axe like in the comics what's wrong with the axe? You can't just say "The axe" and expect that to be a valid criticism
5 what a surprise our constantly in question real world logic of physics have no meaning in a world with giant radioactive lazer breathing monster gods who in real life until proven otherwise would most likely collapse in on their own weight and die within seconds yeah we're really trying to go for real world accuracy here and by the way where were all you people screaming about "muh physics" when Thor took the brunt force of a dwarf star head on in infinity war and almost immediately got up?
So yeah it kinda seems like your just judging the movie because you don't understand kaiju genre and for some inexplicable reason your expecting real world logic in a movie with Giant Robots Giant Radioactive Lizard Gods and them having an ancient war with hyperintelligent monke giants
And again I ask you have you even watched the movie? Cause I've watched it literally just before making this comment and it seems they explain almost everything in the movie itself
@@Nonconformist515 I understood pretty early that you were one of those cinemasins kinda people sure but I think the issue with comparing yourself to him is he's known for making minor plot inconveniences or even straight nitpicks out to be things that destroy the movie all together but that's another topic all together horse of a different color as you said.
However all I'm saying is there's not much need to completely shut off your brain to enjoy this movie you might see it differently much like how I'm sure Mr Drinker see's it differently but I've watched this movie 4 times twice for enjoyment and twice to find really any issues with it I could I see no gaping plotholes the size of alaska and I see no special effects errors I see things that conflate and contradict our current understanding of logic and physics sure but again in a movie with monsters double the size of the twin towers moving like they do your bound to have pretty big leaps in logic just for these entities to even exist period.
However I do respect your stance as a heavy critique kind of person and I do see your side of it and (even though I'm sure you don't) I hope you see mine.
@@kaptainkibiroproductions45 @I AM THE REAPER monke and lizard make boom.