@@BRM101 Except that: a. The cost of replacing a wet belt is far more than replacing a dry belt (because more work has to be done to access the belt and to put everything back together again after the belt has been replaced b. Degradation of the belt before it reaches 40,000 miles leading to bits of the belt blocking the lubrication system, leading to a premature engine failure Finally, I wouldn't have any PSA vehicle, wet belt or not, give me a Toyota (or preferably a Lexus) any day
Hallo ich arbeite seit 6 Jahren beim Peugeot Vertragshändler und kann vieles zum Thema Zahnriemen im Öl bzw. 1.2L puretech Motor verneien. Ich selber habe in den letzten Jahren wenn’s reicht über 70 Zahnriemen Wechsel durchgeführt welches im Öl läuft. Und kann aus Erfahrung sagen Die Zahnriemen im Turbo Motoren werden schneller anfälliger als Sauger Motoren. Ein Grund dafür ist Kraftstoff was im Öl gelangt was dann natürlich Zahnriemenverschleiss beschleunigt ansonsten haben wir festgestellt dass bei viel Kurzstrecken fahrende Kunden sind die Zahnriemen schneller verschlissen als bei den Kunden die relativ weniger Kaltstarts haben bzw. Langstrecken fahren. Aber keine im Öl laufende Zahnriemen hält bis 100.000km da hat Peugeot scheiße erzählt. Ich habe sogar Zahnriemen gewechselt wo das Auto erst unter 30.000km hatte. Wie gesagt ebenfalls Turbo Motor Wir kontrollieren den Zahnriemen immer bei jeder Inspektion und bis jetzt waren die immer zwischen 30 und 55.000km fällig und bei Sauger war das dann zwischen 60 und 80.000km. Aber da sehen die Zahnriemen auch richtig brutal rissig aus. Aber abgerissene Zahnriemen hatten wir noch nie. Weil bevor die abreißen kündigen die sich mit Bremsdruckfehler (Weil Vakuumpumpensieb verstopft) , Öldruckfehler (Weil Ölpumpensieb verstopft) und Motorfehler (Weil die ein und Auslass verstell Ventile verstopft sind) an. Hinzu kommt dass die Hohlschraube von der Schmierleitung des Turboladers auch verstopft weil dorthin auch einen Sieb drinnen ist. Ich will die Motoren nicht schlecht reden aber ich denke ein Zahnriemen gehört nicht im Ölbad. Mit freundlichen Grüßen.
Vielleicht kannst du mir helfen: Ich habe bei einem Opel Crossland X 1.2l wie hier im Video den Riemen gewechselt, da der Kunde über sporadisch leuchtende Öllampe klagte. Ich vermutete ein zugesetztes Ölpumpensieb und der Zahnriemen deutete auch darauf hin. Nach der Reparatur und Probefahrt kamen Fehler für je Einlass Nockenwellenversteller und Auslass Nockenwellenversteller Endstufe erreicht. ( Fehlercode P0011) Das Sieb der Ölpumpe habe ich sorgfältig geprüft da der Riemen stark verschlissen war aber da waren kaum Zahnriemenreste vorhanden. ( Nur 2-3 kleine Krümel) Steuerzeiten habe ich insgesamt 3 mal geprüft und haben jedes Mal gestimmt. Hast du vielleicht eine Idee was die Ursache für die besagten Fehler sein könnte ?
@@exhotichaze hast du auch die Siebe von ein und Auslass Nockenwellen Verstellung geprüft ? Und Sieb vom ölpumpe damit ist nicht die Sieb im ölwanne gemeint sondern auch die Elektro Ventil vom ölpumpe Sorry für die verspäteten Antwort
Ford eco boost also use a wet timing belt. The belt degrades over time and the bits block the oil strainer. The subsequent loss of oil pressure destroys the engine.
Thanks for this, now I can see how the belt can be checked with out any engine striping, my brothers Peugeot was in for MOT which it passed but they said the wet belt had cracks in it and need to be replaced very soon, he was due to come and see me this weekend but now can't as we live some distance apart an he can't get it replaced until Tuesday next week as his local garage won't touch it😟
Thanks for the comprehensive video. However, it's more complex than a normal timing belt replacement in other cars as gaskets and seals need to be also changed. Having the engine out of the car makes the replacement much easier clearly. Wet timing belt is just a non sense in my opinion.
@@baylessnow well technically thats not how it works over here. I get the same salary every month. I take care of the car as if it were my own. But I understand the joke 😆
Any recommendation regarding the time belt ? Here in France, the amount of broken motors is seriously going up with 1.2 puretech. The belt disintegrates slowly in oil till the point where the oil pump strainer is obstructed.
questo motore ha problemi endemici il suo progetto è sbagliato a nulla è servito cambiare fornitori di cinghia non capisco come stellantis abbia deciso di montarlo su tutta la gamma dei suoi veicoli . peugeot si stà dando la zappa sui piedi fuggite da questo motore.
Puretech? PuresXXt. It was designed to fail, I stick to my statement. A mechanical (motor-design) engineer can never have knowledge of all aggressive ingeredients in oil (a lot! ) that attack the rubber belt. Let alone the working temperature. The oil can be 100 C or more !!!!! No rubber can hold that. Hence: designed to fail.
How to prevent the wet timing belt crack? Should I inspect the belt condition every 1000km with endoscope camera or use the gauge which checks the width? What is your advice about the optimal oil change cycle time period?
at 2020 , PSA released new bulletin over this engine, recommending to use only 0w30 ACEA C1 or C2, with B71.2302/2312 requisite. Only Mobil and Total has products with theses requisites. About oil cycle , try to change oil and filter, each 8000km or 6 months. don't use any kind of militec, motorkote, etc... important note: when arrive your car at oficine to change belt or clutch, ask to professional to open oil carter e clean up system, removing any kind of belt remaining part.
Great video. I've just done a wet belt on a vauxhall/opel. Same engine but slightly different. The pulleys have a lip on them so you can't get the wet belt off without taking the pulleys off first. The camshaft locking tool where the vac pump is doesn't fit, and there's a new 2 piece tool, i can only find in france that fits in a hole where the other camshaft locking tool is. Different rocker cover gasket too.
I have a question about the video at 2:05 min. Can you explain to me why I have to turn the crankshaft until it clicks? What's the reason for that? I'm grateful for an explanation.
@@MechaNick_ Many thanks for your response. Do I have to pay attention to the markings on the camshaft sprocket? Or do I not need this if I lock the crankshaft and camshaft?
@@MechaNick_ Many thanks for your help. Which socket wrench do I need for the tension pulley, the idler pulley and the screw that is tightened to 50 Nm and 180 degrees? Thanks again ...
Hi. Im doing it now and haven't bought the new pulley seal yet, just wonder if i can just leave it in. And if i have to remove the seal before sticking the pulley back.
Hey man! Thanks :) i bought a GoPro Hero 10 black. First i used my phone, but its hard to film and work with one hand. The hero is super useful with a magnet stand.
Hey Nicholas awesome video! Can I ask a question please? Any help will be very appreciated. I have the same engine and the oil pressure light is coming on, so I've removed the sump and cleaned the the oil strainer which wasnt terrible! It did have some micro fibers from the belt in it, ive changed the oil and the oil filter but the low oil pressure lighg is still coming on? The belt is in bad condition, it has micro cracks throughout it, i will replace it but to my understanding that isnt causing the low oil pressure fault????? I dont want to replace the belt and then still have the issue???
@@MechaNick_ :))) One more question: If I press the locking pin in the flywheel and thereby lock the crankshaft, is the camshaft automatically in the correct position so that I can lock it with a tool?
@@MechaNick_ thanks! Last Question to you ;) Do I actually have to remove the two camshaft gears to be able to remove the timing belt? There are videos on RUclips where this is done.
Hi there , i've carried out replacing the belt but now it comes up with code p003c -74 ? Can you shine any light on this or where we have gone wrong ? Thanks neil
Yes I finally found out the problem, even though we used the timing kit for the later engine ( the one that sits where the vacuum pump is located ) it still wasn’t timed exact . We removed the cam cover and used the old timing kit which locks both cams and this worked perfectly! Cheers for replying 👍
My 1.2 PSA engine doesn't have a belt problem but it's burning tons of oil for no reason 🤦♂️ yet for some reason there is no blue smoke from the exhaust, if I ever get another car never again one with a 3 cylinder!
hi, but to install the timing belt on the automatic peugeot 2008 eat8, is it the same as the manual transmission version? Are the phase lock tools the same? Thank you
I bought a new 408 with this engine. Should I be worried about the timing belt? Has this problem been resolved in new production 2023 1.2 130hp vehicles?
Hey Nicholas, this crank blocking tool. What is the size of this tool, the diametre to block the flywheel and the diametre of the bigger part for in the housing? If you could share, would be great 😊 kind regards Pascal p.s.: nice video and great work 👌
Just done mine with the same locking kit, torquing up the bottom crank bolt is the worst though, I was worried about the crank locking pin cracking the aluminium housing on the engine, ridiculously tight, 50NM then 180 degrees, but obviously not the case for you as you had a pin spanner to hold the hub, maybe the locking pin isn’t meant to be used when tightening the bolt ?
Salut j'ai un ford fiesta 2013 moteur 1.6hdi j'ai changé le refroidisseur 2 fois avec lavage bloc je crois le joint de culasse est ce que vous pouvez me donnez une idée merci
Hi, Nicholas! Great job with changing the belt! Also, I really appreciate your time to kindly and positively reply to everybody! I also have a question. I am buying a Grandland X with this exact engine. The car is from 2018 and is only 25k. Is it necessary to change the belt?
Hey, thank you for the compliments :) theres a special tool to check if it needs to be replaced, the dealer has this. You can also check how the belt looks like when you open up the oil filler cap. If it looks nice and smooth, I dont think its necessary to replace it right away. However when you reach 60K i would to it preventive together with the oil change.
@@adriang.7017better get the 1.5 Diesel in the Grandland. I had the car for over 5 years and it needed much less fuel than the 1.2 gasoline engine. The 1.5 130 hp engine has also no wet timing belt.
i have many disturbing noises coming from either cockpit or under the hood that i can't determine during first movement of vehicle in D or R gear.. 2023 model peugeot 308... @@MechaNick_
@@MechaNick_ Fucking sad .. really .. How Blair and the “religious “ Bush prayed for his death How they misled and lied to us. I didn’t realise (till the mask/covid/vaccine bullshit exploded in Feb 2020 that the newspapers and governments would tell us lies. We know now.
@@osa-mv4iv Not a huge fan of VW products, probably because we got VW's in the workshop everyday. But I think a 1.0tsi wouldnt be bad for daily grocery shopping. Not if you are going to tune it and make it an McDonalds showcar.
As a dealer tech we dont remove the engine, only if the oil pump has to be replaced but with a special tool U can pop the strainer off the pickup without removing the oil pump and cleaning it and refitting it. The newer later engines still under warranty U can only do by removing camshafts as U cannot sneak the belt past the sprockets Make sure u remove the gauze filter in turbo feed line at block connection as it can block with rubber starving turbo of oil. Make sure U buy a belt checking tool to examine the belt width as it's likely it will need changing before the replacement interval and if done early U won't have to clean all the rubber particles through out the engine.
From 2020 every pure tech has conti wet belt and garantie for him is 5 years so now all stelantis cars have 5 years or 100000km .Only problem with pure tech engine is that lot of people dont drive theirs cars in authorised servis but in local servise garage were they use wrong oil or wrong wet belts .Also in autherizd servis you also must check is they realy change oil filter or they just sey that they are so every time I mark my oil filter so that iam cernt that they change it
Hi Nicholas; great video I’ve got to do the same job on my drive…. Will the engine come out the top/ front of the car? And do you recommend a replacement engine if the bet has stripped I was thinking about replacing the valves and rebuilding if it not too bad. Many thanks Matt
I removed the front of the car, so it comes out of the front. If you have problems with oil consumption replace the engine or check valve seals or piston rings if the turbo is in good condition.
For 1.2 puretech engines; just use right engine oil coded "B71 2302 or B71 2297" These engine oils are formulated to avoid damaging the timing belt. Other than these engine oils that you think are of high quality will damage the belt. just use B71 2302 or B71 2297 PSA approved engine oils..
Hello everyone, I work at Citroën, in short the engine is fantastic. Do maintenance every 10,000 miles, oil as of 2 months 2024 is 5w30 and belts are changed at 82.83 atmospheres at 80,000 and turbo at 110.130 at 60,000 miles, we have learned that the Cars that travel longer distances wear less belt - which means the engine is fantastic. Greeting
Hows it going Nicholas? Hope all is well your end! Im currently in the process of taking mine apart but only realised today that the locking tool I received is the wrong one 😡😡 they sent me the other type also for the 1.2 puretech petrol, the one for where the entire camshaft is exposed when removing the plastic housing! My engine is like yours so i need the one you use!!!!! I think ive laocated it on ebay but I'm a bit worried as the item description is also stating for Toyota 😬😬😬 any chance you could send an item nuber for your one?????? Again appreciate all your help and advice
Hey Thomas. Like i mentioned, the engine is removed because the engine needed to be replaced, so I saw a great opportunity to record a belt replacement.
@@MechaNick_ Hello when you put on the new belt. The belt does not seem to be stretched between the 2 camshaft pulleys. At what point does it get tense? thank a lot .
The idea isn’t really wrong, but the belt isn’t suited for today’s petrol. Short distances with a cold engine (lot of blow-by) and E10 petrol is what kills these belts. When these engines only do long distance driving, they will last a very long time. When this engine came out E10 wasn’t really common.
@@maxflight777 on cold starts, the pistons and piston rings don’t seal properly not a problem for a wet belt by itself, but when ethanol is added in the fuel, it’s a big problem.
Some of these manufacturers just try to reinvent the wheel all in the name if efficiency while there are no efficiency gains. If want to use a timing belt for cost and efficiency reasons use the traditional style. If not use a timing chain and call it a day
It's not a good idea to use a torque wrench when tightening the cranksaft gear bolt. The wrench is clicking but you keep on turning to reach 180 degrees on the gauge. This can damage the torque wrench.
Step back and think. It is a wet-belt-engine and designed to fail by this "wet-belt" choice. Never buy a "wet belt" car. Your time and money must be spent on more profitable things for you. Not spent on profits for the engine manufacturer, profits for the belt manufacturer, profits for the Chinese tool maker...etc... Think what you are doing !!!
Easy? Ah in order to replace a timing belt.. You had to dismantle a whole engine.... I had a Citroen C3 2016 1.0 petrol 3 cilinders pure tech engine .... Never again......
From 2014 for Peugeot/Citroen and from 2019 for Opel gasoline models they have this series of engines (EB2). Also, Toyota needed this engine for the ProAce City model. Jeep and FIAT did the same thing (look to the Jeep Avenger and the new FIAT 600, instead to be an electric motor too). EB2 was awarded as "The Best Engine" three times. Ford's Ecoboost from 2012 if I'm right. Every Ecoboost engine has this type of belt.
Maybe you could help me or advise me with my problem? I have a new Opel Mokka 2021 (New Mokka) with an engine EB2ADTD. I have a strange vibration in the cabin. The problem can be heard in this video (best from 8 sec): ruclips.net/user/shortsXROtr_3lFKM When I turn off the engine, the vibration intensifies for 1-2 seconds and then stops. I have a suspicion that this has something to do with the timing belt or the accessory belt. I think so because one of the Mokka owner's had a similar problem on a similar car (similar engine) and after replacing the belt all the sounds disappeared. My problem gets worse if I turn off the air conditioning (climate). If I turn it on, the sound is much quieter or there is no sound at all. The mileage is only 10,000 km and the car is 3 years old. The car is used in difficult conditions - very short mileage, long warm-up. Maybe you have some ideas? Could this sound be the cause of problems with the timing belt, belts and rollers?
Puretech? PuresXXt! It was designed to fail, I state. A mechanical (motor-design) engineer can never have knowledge of all aggressive ingeredients in motor-oil (a lot!) that attack the rubber belt. Let alone the working temperature. The oil can be 100 C or more., for a long time. Compare that with an outside belt: clean air, 50 C max. Hence: designed to fail. Never buy a wet belt engine, wait and save you money.
The people at PSA must be complete idiots. Anyone who builds something like that must have roof damage! Just look at the internet with the hundreds of reports about the premature death of timing belts.
Just realize after polish youtuber prof. Chris making his "necropsy" with PureTech that is very good motor actually instead of social media hate-speech. It is just very sensitive on bad or too rare maintenance. You have to change oil at least 10.000km and check every time state of timing belt by removing oil pan which is not a big problem (13 bolts and sealing mass, you even do not have to buy special gasket). If timing belt is in bad condition just replace it. But as I sad, often oil changing intervals making this engine very reliable. See movie from, as he called, "puree" motor:) ruclips.net/video/4ke_sZ4bcGs/видео.html
Are these manufacturers thick ??? if one does something the others follow suit regardless of wether it’s any good or not,dry timing belts were bad enough but wet belts are a catastrophe waiting to happen and cost twice as much to change because of the labour involved. I would never buy a vehicle fitted with one of those belts fitted, Ford want their head testing fitting a 2litre diesel in the transit with a wet belt fitted,it’s no wonder their losing market share turning junk out like this.
Not sure why people moan a lot. Take it to a decent garage who will use the correct oil, not whatever the cheapest crap out of GSF and inspect the timing belt which takes a few minutes. Then just replace when it's due, as you would on any other car. I would have said timing chains are better but not anymore. I can't think of any decent engines that will last the life of the car now, Toyota's included.
Nothing easy, Citroën give approximatly 3h for timing belt changing and the oil carter ,You don't clean it (belt residue in oil crépine) I refuse to do this shit engine.
The engine is removed because the old engine has damage. So i am working on a new engine here. A replacement. And i thought it would be easier to show you guys when engine is out.
Well, I just discovered one engine to be avoided at all cost - what a PITA!!!
A garage near me refuses to touch these engines
@@brucemcpherson8832 why?, just treat it as needing a belt every 40,000mls like other dry belts
@@BRM101 Except that:
a. The cost of replacing a wet belt is far more than replacing a dry belt (because more work has to be done to access the belt and to put everything back together again after the belt has been replaced
b. Degradation of the belt before it reaches 40,000 miles leading to bits of the belt blocking the lubrication system, leading to a premature engine failure
Finally, I wouldn't have any PSA vehicle, wet belt or not, give me a Toyota (or preferably a Lexus) any day
@@brucemcpherson8832what car do you currently drive mate?
@@michaelkennedy8573 A 2015 Toyota Landcruiser with the 2.8l diesel engine - which has a timing chain
Hallo ich arbeite seit 6 Jahren beim Peugeot Vertragshändler und kann vieles zum Thema Zahnriemen im Öl bzw. 1.2L puretech Motor verneien.
Ich selber habe in den letzten Jahren wenn’s reicht über 70 Zahnriemen Wechsel durchgeführt welches im Öl läuft.
Und kann aus Erfahrung sagen Die Zahnriemen im Turbo Motoren werden schneller anfälliger als Sauger Motoren. Ein Grund dafür ist Kraftstoff was im Öl gelangt was dann natürlich Zahnriemenverschleiss beschleunigt ansonsten haben wir festgestellt dass bei viel Kurzstrecken fahrende Kunden sind die Zahnriemen schneller verschlissen als bei den Kunden die relativ weniger Kaltstarts haben bzw. Langstrecken fahren. Aber keine im Öl laufende Zahnriemen hält bis 100.000km da hat Peugeot scheiße erzählt. Ich habe sogar Zahnriemen gewechselt wo das Auto erst unter 30.000km hatte. Wie gesagt ebenfalls Turbo Motor
Wir kontrollieren den Zahnriemen immer bei jeder Inspektion und bis jetzt waren die immer zwischen 30 und 55.000km fällig und bei Sauger war das dann zwischen 60 und 80.000km. Aber da sehen die Zahnriemen auch richtig brutal rissig aus. Aber abgerissene Zahnriemen hatten wir noch nie. Weil bevor die abreißen kündigen die sich mit Bremsdruckfehler (Weil Vakuumpumpensieb verstopft) , Öldruckfehler (Weil Ölpumpensieb verstopft) und Motorfehler (Weil die ein und Auslass verstell Ventile verstopft sind) an.
Hinzu kommt dass die Hohlschraube von der Schmierleitung des Turboladers auch verstopft weil dorthin auch einen Sieb drinnen ist.
Ich will die Motoren nicht schlecht reden aber ich denke ein Zahnriemen gehört nicht im Ölbad.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen.
Thanks a lot, nice information :)
Vielleicht kannst du mir helfen:
Ich habe bei einem Opel Crossland X 1.2l wie hier im Video den Riemen gewechselt, da der Kunde über sporadisch leuchtende Öllampe klagte. Ich vermutete ein zugesetztes Ölpumpensieb und der Zahnriemen deutete auch darauf hin. Nach der Reparatur und Probefahrt kamen Fehler für je Einlass Nockenwellenversteller und Auslass Nockenwellenversteller Endstufe erreicht. ( Fehlercode P0011)
Das Sieb der Ölpumpe habe ich sorgfältig geprüft da der Riemen stark verschlissen war aber da waren kaum Zahnriemenreste vorhanden. ( Nur 2-3 kleine Krümel)
Steuerzeiten habe ich insgesamt 3 mal geprüft und haben jedes Mal gestimmt.
Hast du vielleicht eine Idee was die Ursache für die besagten Fehler sein könnte ?
thank you very much, you really are the king
@@exhotichaze hast du auch die Siebe von ein und Auslass Nockenwellen Verstellung geprüft ? Und Sieb vom ölpumpe damit ist nicht die Sieb im ölwanne gemeint sondern auch die Elektro Ventil vom ölpumpe
Sorry für die verspäteten Antwort
Fair play to you for letting people know.
Ford eco boost also use a wet timing belt.
The belt degrades over time and the bits block the oil strainer. The subsequent loss of oil pressure destroys the engine.
They used to until 2018. Not the ecoboosts are Chain driven.
Nice video. Bought a Citroen C4 2022 brand new. Engine replacement at 9500km because of cam belt breaking..
How much did you pay?
Nothing hopefully should still be under warranty surely
Thanks for this, now I can see how the belt can be checked with out any engine striping, my brothers Peugeot was in for MOT which it passed but they said the wet belt had cracks in it and need to be replaced very soon, he was due to come and see me this weekend but now can't as we live some distance apart an he can't get it replaced until Tuesday next week as his local garage won't touch it😟
Thanks for the comprehensive video.
However, it's more complex than a normal timing belt replacement in other cars as gaskets and seals need to be also changed.
Having the engine out of the car makes the replacement much easier clearly.
Wet timing belt is just a non sense in my opinion.
You still need to remove the oil pan, check and clean the oil strainer EVERY time you change a wet belt.
Forgot to mention, Thank you
@@baylessnow well technically thats not how it works over here. I get the same salary every month. I take care of the car as if it were my own. But I understand the joke 😆
@@baylessnow I work in the Netherlands
Brilliant guide nice one 👍
Any recommendation regarding the time belt ? Here in France, the amount of broken motors is seriously going up with 1.2 puretech. The belt disintegrates slowly in oil till the point where the oil pump strainer is obstructed.
Replacement every 60.000KM
questo motore ha problemi endemici il suo progetto è sbagliato a nulla è servito cambiare fornitori di cinghia non capisco come stellantis abbia deciso di montarlo su tutta la gamma dei suoi veicoli . peugeot si stà dando la zappa sui piedi fuggite da questo motore.
@@MechaNick_Because it’s terrible, distasteful, horrible design..
@@bikerlad3138 I do agree. Its like the vaccine, it's not properly tested before distribution of the product.
Puretech? PuresXXt.
It was designed to fail, I stick to my statement.
A mechanical (motor-design) engineer can never have knowledge of all aggressive ingeredients in oil (a lot! ) that attack the rubber belt. Let alone the working temperature. The oil can be 100 C or more !!!!! No rubber can hold that.
Hence: designed to fail.
Got my first one to do at work in a couple of days. Is it worth taking the sump off and cleaning out the strainer out?
Hey there, Yes definitely take off the sump. Rather safe than sorry!!
Just had the belt changed in my 2015 C3 Picasso at 57k miles. Was getting low oil pressure warning messages. Had main dealer servicing from new.
How to prevent the wet timing belt crack? Should I inspect the belt condition every 1000km with endoscope camera or use the gauge which checks the width? What is your advice about the optimal oil change cycle time period?
at 2020 , PSA released new bulletin over this engine, recommending to use only 0w30 ACEA C1 or C2, with B71.2302/2312 requisite. Only Mobil and Total has products with theses requisites. About oil cycle , try to change oil and filter, each 8000km or 6 months.
don't use any kind of militec, motorkote, etc...
important note: when arrive your car at oficine to change belt or clutch, ask to professional to open oil carter e clean up system, removing any kind of belt remaining part.
Thank you for your well detailed advice😊
Great video. I've just done a wet belt on a vauxhall/opel. Same engine but slightly different. The pulleys have a lip on them so you can't get the wet belt off without taking the pulleys off first.
The camshaft locking tool where the vac pump is doesn't fit, and there's a new 2 piece tool, i can only find in france that fits in a hole where the other camshaft locking tool is.
Different rocker cover gasket too.
Whats the engine code?
I believe engine code used in the 1.2 Vauxhall is HMZ
I have a question about the video at 2:05 min. Can you explain to me why I have to turn the crankshaft until it clicks? What's the reason for that? I'm grateful for an explanation.
Hey, its when the crankshaft hits the locking pin which you push into the flywheel.
@@MechaNick_
Many thanks for your response.
Do I have to pay attention to the markings on the camshaft sprocket?
Or do I not need this if I lock the crankshaft and camshaft?
@@and1st1984 Not needed, just lock the crank and camshafts, then the timing is correct.
@@MechaNick_ Many thanks for your help. Which socket wrench do I need for the tension pulley, the idler pulley and the screw that is tightened to 50 Nm and 180 degrees? Thanks again ...
@@and1st1984 21, 19, 17, 13, 10mm i am not 100% sure though
Great work
Thanks :D
Hi. Im doing it now and haven't bought the new pulley seal yet, just wonder if i can just leave it in. And if i have to remove the seal before sticking the pulley back.
Inspect the seal if it looks good leave it.
Nice Vid, great camera work, What ones you using.....
Hey man! Thanks :) i bought a GoPro Hero 10 black. First i used my phone, but its hard to film and work with one hand. The hero is super useful with a magnet stand.
Hey Nicholas awesome video! Can I ask a question please? Any help will be very appreciated. I have the same engine and the oil pressure light is coming on, so I've removed the sump and cleaned the the oil strainer which wasnt terrible! It did have some micro fibers from the belt in it, ive changed the oil and the oil filter but the low oil pressure lighg is still coming on? The belt is in bad condition, it has micro cracks throughout it, i will replace it but to my understanding that isnt causing the low oil pressure fault????? I dont want to replace the belt and then still have the issue???
It could be the pressure sensor as well. Thoroughly clean the oil pump. Have you used a device to read the OBD fault codes?
Really appreciate the reply! P15A4 fault coming up, states Engine oil pressure control solenoid valve control circuit low voltage?
Can I ask where the pressure sensor is located
@@JohnDoe-rf4td its the control solenoid.. located on the oil pump itself. The sensor is around the oil cooler.
So is the solenoid an easy replacement? Or do I need to change the entire pump?
Can you tell me how many Newton meters the screws on the pulley (crankshaft) are tightened with? (Video from 0:57 min.) Thanks in advance :)
@@and1st1984 didnt really torque them. Just tighten them before they break haha
@@MechaNick_ :)))
One more question:
If I press the locking pin in the flywheel and thereby lock the crankshaft, is the camshaft automatically in the correct position so that I can lock it with a tool?
@@and1st1984 Yes. If the locking tools do not fit on the cam, rotate the crank another round.
@@MechaNick_ thanks!
Last Question to you ;)
Do I actually have to remove the two camshaft gears to be able to remove the timing belt? There are videos on RUclips where this is done.
@@and1st1984 no need!
Hi there , i've carried out replacing the belt but now it comes up with code p003c -74 ? Can you shine any light on this or where we have gone wrong ?
Thanks neil
Hey Neil, sorry for my late response. Did you find out what the problem was? Might be a damaged sensor, or a forgotten connector. Recheck the timing.
Yes I finally found out the problem, even though we used the timing kit for the later engine ( the one that sits where the vacuum pump is located ) it still wasn’t timed exact . We removed the cam cover and used the old timing kit which locks both cams and this worked perfectly!
Cheers for replying 👍
Excuses me to change the belt is it the reason why you dropped the engine
@@isaacagho1255 Nope, the old engine got destroyed, and this is the replacement engine. You can do this job easily when its in the car.
Excelente video y tremendo trabajo!!
Donde consiguió las herramientas para poder poner a tiempo el motor??
Thanks a lot :) I found a set on AliExpress
My 1.2 PSA engine doesn't have a belt problem but it's burning tons of oil for no reason 🤦♂️ yet for some reason there is no blue smoke from the exhaust, if I ever get another car never again one with a 3 cylinder!
Does te 1.2 puretech distort the valves by having a broken belt ???
Yes, but i am not 100% sure.
Hello Nicholas, is this problem still there for 2021 models? Is the belt updated or still a problem?
Hey! I am not sure about this. Good question.
Also theres multiple holes in the flywheel, so if the tool doesnt fit the camshaft try another hole
Great tip!
Hello, do you have a video on how to access the throttle body on this engine? Thanks.
I do not, however when I will encounter one I will make a video.
@KolyaAlfisti Thanks man.
hi, but to install the timing belt on the automatic peugeot 2008 eat8, is it the same as the manual transmission version? Are the phase lock tools the same? Thank you
Yes.
@@MechaNick_ So are the phase tools the same for both the manual and automatic versions? I own the 2008 1.2 eat8 automatic
@@517gregory Yes, the same tools.
@@MechaNick_ Thank you very much. Is the flywheel the same between manual and automatic transmissions?
@@517gregory the locking pin location is.
i like your t-shirt 😊😊
Thanks 😂
Very nice t-shirt 😂
What is the position or piston number one during tik8ng wana built one
Top dead center
I bought a new 408 with this engine. Should I be worried about the timing belt? Has this problem been resolved in new production 2023 1.2 130hp vehicles?
I cannot give you a concrete answer. Thats something you should ask the dealership. As long as you stick to 60.000km for replacement you are good.
Dont wory evrthing is solved 2020 when they change belt suplier of stalantis grup just use proper oil and change it every year or 15000 km
@@osa-mv4iv Dayco supplies these belts from the moment engine was made up to this date. New engines 2023 and later will come with a chain
@@osa-mv4iv Not every problems solved
@@EnzoMSI Not every cars have the new engine in 2023, be carrefull
Another wonderful design, built to fail and scrap the car.
Which is trickier, Ecoboost or Puretec?
Should be a meme for lose-lose.
Definitely EcoBoost. I have done pure tech without special tools and waaay faster
@@MechaNick_ Cool, not in the market for a new car just yet but will bear that in mind when the time comes.
Both
Hey Nicholas, this crank blocking tool. What is the size of this tool, the diametre to block the flywheel and the diametre of the bigger part for in the housing? If you could share, would be great 😊 kind regards Pascal p.s.: nice video and great work 👌
Hey! Thanks for the positive comment :)
The small part is 8mm wide x 10mm long and the bigger part 14mm wide x 30mm long.
Your welcome and thank you very much for checking and comment back 😊 kind regards me 🖐️
Newer generations of these engines have chains but how do you find out for sure ?
What's the Kia Petrol 1.0 T-GDi ISG like ?
I would need an engine code or VIN.
Really great video thank you. Please can i ask where to buy Gat 5255, i can not find in alliexpress and normal price is around 200euro...
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yes thats the one:) thank you
Worth a sub? :)
Just done mine with the same locking kit, torquing up the bottom crank bolt is the worst though, I was worried about the crank locking pin cracking the aluminium housing on the engine, ridiculously tight, 50NM then 180 degrees, but obviously not the case for you as you had a pin spanner to hold the hub, maybe the locking pin isn’t meant to be used when tightening the bolt ?
No don't use the locking tool for this, you can break it! Just use a counter torque like I did.
@@MechaNick_ could you provide a link for the counter torque tool please? Thanks
@@nickprince8623 a.aliexpress.com/_EH93fGJ 🍀
@@MechaNick_ thank you
@@nickprince8623 You're welcome :) Worth a sub? :D
Salut j'ai un ford fiesta 2013 moteur 1.6hdi j'ai changé le refroidisseur 2 fois avec lavage bloc je crois le joint de culasse est ce que vous pouvez me donnez une idée merci
I have had a 1.6hdi before with a tear in the cilinder walls.
can you do this job without removing the crank sprocket
Yes
nice tuto
Hi, Nicholas! Great job with changing the belt! Also, I really appreciate your time to kindly and positively reply to everybody! I also have a question. I am buying a Grandland X with this exact engine. The car is from 2018 and is only 25k. Is it necessary to change the belt?
Hey, thank you for the compliments :) theres a special tool to check if it needs to be replaced, the dealer has this. You can also check how the belt looks like when you open up the oil filler cap. If it looks nice and smooth, I dont think its necessary to replace it right away. However when you reach 60K i would to it preventive together with the oil change.
@@MechaNick_ Thank you very much! I will do that!
@@adriang.7017better get the 1.5 Diesel in the Grandland. I had the car for over 5 years and it needed much less fuel than the 1.2 gasoline engine. The 1.5 130 hp engine has also no wet timing belt.
Do the Engine have to be removed for this job
@@NiallQuirke-ot8dy, no the wet belt can be changed without removing the engine from the car.
what is the correct oil for this motor 1.2 turbo 130 bhp ?
SAE 0W-30 PSA B71 2312
i have many disturbing noises coming from either cockpit or under the hood that i can't determine during first movement of vehicle in D or R gear.. 2023 model peugeot 308... @@MechaNick_
@@hantst9005 sounds like a gearbox problem, but its hard to tell from such a large distance 😅 bring it to mechanic and see what he says.
3:41 is that Salam Hussein on your shirt ? I’m curious
It is 🤣
@@MechaNick_ Fucking sad .. really .. How Blair and the “religious “ Bush prayed for his death
How they misled and lied to us.
I didn’t realise (till the mask/covid/vaccine bullshit exploded in Feb 2020 that the newspapers and governments would tell us lies.
We know now.
@@MechaNick_ Best wishes to you … You seem like a great guy ! ✅
@@maxflight777 Thanks mate 😁 appreciate it 🍀
Engine out for a timing belt replacement? That's crazy...
You dont have to take out the engine. I had to replace the engine.... thats why it is out. And this way its easier to show you.
What do you think about the 1.5 tsi engine is reliable?
Oil usage, resonations/vibrations, lack of engine power overtime. I never owned a TSI myself but I've repaired a few ones.
@@MechaNick_what obout 1.0 tsi 115 hp dsg ist worth to buy just for normal driving
@@osa-mv4iv Not a huge fan of VW products, probably because we got VW's in the workshop everyday. But I think a 1.0tsi wouldnt be bad for daily grocery shopping. Not if you are going to tune it and make it an McDonalds showcar.
As a dealer tech we dont remove the engine, only if the oil pump has to be replaced but with a special tool U can pop the strainer off the pickup without removing the oil pump and cleaning it and refitting it. The newer later engines still under warranty U can only do by removing camshafts as U cannot sneak the belt past the sprockets
Make sure u remove the gauze filter in turbo feed line at block connection as it can block with rubber starving turbo of oil. Make sure U buy a belt checking tool to examine the belt width as it's likely it will need changing before the replacement interval and if done early U won't have to clean all the rubber particles through out the engine.
The belt is not the reason I removed the engine.
It literally says in the first 6 seconds of the video that the engine was removed because of engine damage....
Hi Nicholas , good video without talking rockers cover, I just noticed a picture of Saddam Husain on your t-shirt?
🤣🤣
How do I get a pair to install the cam and crank?
You mean the tool?
Where is the PCV valve on this engine?
replace it when it's installed
From 2020 every pure tech has conti wet belt and garantie for him is 5 years so now all stelantis cars have 5 years or 100000km .Only problem with pure tech engine is that lot of people dont drive theirs cars in authorised servis but in local servise garage were they use wrong oil or wrong wet belts .Also in autherizd servis you also must check is they realy change oil filter or they just sey that they are so every time I mark my oil filter so that iam cernt that they change it
Marking your oil filter is very good! I always check for the right oil specification. Especially with the wet belts.
that's a nice trick right there.
Hi Nicholas; great video I’ve got to do the same job on my drive…. Will the engine come out the top/ front of the car?
And do you recommend a replacement engine if the bet has stripped I was thinking about replacing the valves and rebuilding if it not too bad.
Many thanks
Matt
I removed the front of the car, so it comes out of the front. If you have problems with oil consumption replace the engine or check valve seals or piston rings if the turbo is in good condition.
Hi I didn’t have any issue until the belt let go…. I’m going to try just having the head off first and give it a good clean out…. Wish me luck 😂
@@mattparry1251 Good luck man! Of you need any advice on the job.nYpu van reach me through discord.
Many thanks Kolya…. You might regret that offer🤣🤣
For 1.2 puretech engines; just use right engine oil coded "B71 2302 or B71 2297" These engine oils are formulated to avoid damaging the timing belt. Other than these engine oils that you think are of high quality will damage the belt. just use B71 2302 or B71 2297 PSA approved engine oils..
And also the B71 2010 (0W-20 C5) for almost every engine from 2018 onwards (Euro 6.2, 6.3, 6.4...)
Hello everyone, I work at Citroën, in short the engine is fantastic. Do maintenance every 10,000 miles, oil as of 2 months 2024 is 5w30 and belts are changed at 82.83 atmospheres at 80,000 and turbo at 110.130 at 60,000 miles, we have learned that the Cars that travel longer distances wear less belt - which means the engine is fantastic. Greeting
genius...
Is this an engine out job????
Nope
Hows it going Nicholas? Hope all is well your end! Im currently in the process of taking mine apart but only realised today that the locking tool I received is the wrong one 😡😡 they sent me the other type also for the 1.2 puretech petrol, the one for where the entire camshaft is exposed when removing the plastic housing! My engine is like yours so i need the one you use!!!!! I think ive laocated it on ebay but I'm a bit worried as the item description is also stating for Toyota 😬😬😬 any chance you could send an item nuber for your one?????? Again appreciate all your help and advice
Het John! Thanks I am doing great! A lot of work and new project coming up :) please email me at futyi95@gmail.com and I will send you the link.
You're the man 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great job! Have you ever tried contitech ct1228 timing belt? It has 5years guarantee by the manufacturer. It designed for 1.2 puretech engine.
Szia! Még nem hallottam róla, de a következő vezérműszíj csere nál kipróbálom:) köszi!
Engine removed to fit a timing belt ?
Hey Thomas. Like i mentioned, the engine is removed because the engine needed to be replaced, so I saw a great opportunity to record a belt replacement.
Hello for To do it 2hours?
Sorry I do not understand. Theres probably someone in the world who can do it in 2 hours but thats not me.
@@MechaNick_ Hello
when you put on the new belt. The belt does not seem to be stretched between the 2 camshaft pulleys. At what point does it get tense? thank a lot .
The idea of a wet timing belt is just WRONG!
The idea isn’t really wrong, but the belt isn’t suited for today’s petrol. Short distances with a cold engine (lot of blow-by) and E10 petrol is what kills these belts. When these engines only do long distance driving, they will last a very long time. When this engine came out E10 wasn’t really common.
@@002-b9s Tank premium fuel (E5 and change your oil at 15.000km/1 year instead of 30.000km, and change the belt every 100.000 km.
@@marcohillenga5068 How does petrol get in the crankcase ?
@@maxflight777 on cold starts, the pistons and piston rings don’t seal properly not a problem for a wet belt by itself, but when ethanol is added in the fuel, it’s a big problem.
what you forgot to mention is the manufactures know of this issue and there is a service bulletin on this wet belt issue the whole motor trade of this
Under certain conditions.
Some of these manufacturers just try to reinvent the wheel all in the name if efficiency while there are no efficiency gains. If want to use a timing belt for cost and efficiency reasons use the traditional style. If not use a timing chain and call it a day
Agreed.
dostum NM TORK değerlerini nereden buldun??
Haynes manual
It's not a good idea to use a torque wrench when tightening the cranksaft gear bolt. The wrench is clicking but you keep on turning to reach 180 degrees on the gauge. This can damage the torque wrench.
Our torque wrenches get calibrated twice a year. Never had any issues with it.
Après le changement du refroidisseur 10 jours jai trouvé l'huile moteur dans le vase d'eau
Can you please Translate?
I can't get the bolt off even with an 18mm impact 😢
Maybe try and heat it up, or put on a impact socket and hit it hard with a hammer and try again
@@MechaNick_ many thanks,I'll try that
Turn over twice an recheck
Correct
Fast & Easy, sure...
Step back and think.
It is a wet-belt-engine and designed to fail by this "wet-belt" choice.
Never buy a "wet belt" car. Your time and money must be spent on more profitable things for you.
Not spent on profits for the engine manufacturer, profits for the belt manufacturer, profits for the Chinese tool maker...etc...
Think what you are doing !!!
Is this engin vvt??
This level of incompetence is torturous; the board members of Stellantis should be held liable in person for his fuck-up!!
Easy? Ah in order to replace a timing belt.. You had to dismantle a whole engine.... I had a Citroen C3 2016 1.0 petrol 3 cilinders pure tech engine .... Never again......
No, I removed the engine because the old one was damaged... But this way it's easier to film and see....
@@MechaNick_ Also significantly easier to work on
@@toxichazard5015 Yep definitely, but its also easier to show you.
I have never in my life heard of a wet timing belt. . . who makes this engine?
Peugeot/Citroën (PSA) and Ford (1.0 EcoBoost)
Also ford 2ltr deisel in trasit and vw use wet belt for the oil pump on 1.6tdi
And Opel in Astra K 1.2 2019-2021, but I don't know if they have issue with reliability.
From 2014 for Peugeot/Citroen and from 2019 for Opel gasoline models they have this series of engines (EB2). Also, Toyota needed this engine for the ProAce City model. Jeep and FIAT did the same thing (look to the Jeep Avenger and the new FIAT 600, instead to be an electric motor too). EB2 was awarded as "The Best Engine" three times.
Ford's Ecoboost from 2012 if I'm right. Every Ecoboost engine has this type of belt.
Great job and great T-shirt 😄😄
Thanks mate 😆
Maybe you could help me or advise me with my problem? I have a new Opel Mokka 2021 (New Mokka) with an engine EB2ADTD. I have a strange vibration in the cabin. The problem can be heard in this video (best from 8 sec): ruclips.net/user/shortsXROtr_3lFKM
When I turn off the engine, the vibration intensifies for 1-2 seconds and then stops. I have a suspicion that this has something to do with the timing belt or the accessory belt. I think so because one of the Mokka owner's had a similar problem on a similar car (similar engine) and after replacing the belt all the sounds disappeared. My problem gets worse if I turn off the air conditioning (climate). If I turn it on, the sound is much quieter or there is no sound at all. The mileage is only 10,000 km and the car is 3 years old. The car is used in difficult conditions - very short mileage, long warm-up. Maybe you have some ideas? Could this sound be the cause of problems with the timing belt, belts and rollers?
Puretech? PuresXXt!
It was designed to fail, I state.
A mechanical (motor-design) engineer can never have knowledge of all aggressive ingeredients in motor-oil (a lot!) that attack the rubber belt.
Let alone the working temperature. The oil can be 100 C or more., for a long time.
Compare that with an outside belt: clean air, 50 C max.
Hence: designed to fail.
Never buy a wet belt engine, wait and save you money.
using a torque wrench to pull 180 degrees ,? not really good for the the tool in my opinion my friend
Never had issues, our torque equipment also gets calibrated twice a year.
The people at PSA must be complete idiots. Anyone who builds something like that must have roof damage! Just look at the internet with the hundreds of reports about the premature death of timing belts.
easier as you think ? try it with the engine in the car :-D
Still doable :D easier as you think i mean its just a belt and a tensioner.
Just realize after polish youtuber prof. Chris making his "necropsy" with PureTech that is very good motor actually instead of social media hate-speech. It is just very sensitive on bad or too rare maintenance. You have to change oil at least 10.000km and check every time state of timing belt by removing oil pan which is not a big problem (13 bolts and sealing mass, you even do not have to buy special gasket). If timing belt is in bad condition just replace it. But as I sad, often oil changing intervals making this engine very reliable. See movie from, as he called, "puree" motor:) ruclips.net/video/4ke_sZ4bcGs/видео.html
Are these manufacturers thick ??? if one does something the others follow suit regardless of wether it’s any good or not,dry timing belts were bad enough but wet belts are a catastrophe waiting to happen and cost twice as much to change because of the labour involved. I would never buy a vehicle fitted with one of those belts fitted, Ford want their head testing fitting a 2litre diesel in the transit with a wet belt fitted,it’s no wonder their losing market share turning junk out like this.
Indeed, for me it doesn't make sense. It only makes my boss happy because of the labour time xD
Best thing to do is not buy one in the first place. Upstairs for thinking downstairs for dancing.
As Skotty Kilmer would say buy a Toyota 🤣
Buy a toyota
Are you Skotty Kilmer?
@@MechaNick_ i think he's jack reacher and he's watching over you, be carefull.....lol
Or Scotty Kilmer xD @@KaLeB_
Toyota Vellfire V6 engine, 5 hours to replace rocker cover seals. 🤦🤦🤦
French car...what do you expect abnormal is a must
easiest way is for sure to NOT buy this engine. :D
Not sure why people moan a lot. Take it to a decent garage who will use the correct oil, not whatever the cheapest crap out of GSF and inspect the timing belt which takes a few minutes. Then just replace when it's due, as you would on any other car. I would have said timing chains are better but not anymore. I can't think of any decent engines that will last the life of the car now, Toyota's included.
Most owners just do whatever is the cheapest... its stupid but its what they do.
Courroie biodégradable
Addblue qui cristallise
Chaîne qui casse digne du 1.6thp 😅
This engine is a petrol, it doesn't use adblue, the belt quality isn't the best from the factory.
This engine is great if you have proper manteince servise simply as that
It's not surprising that these engines are known as Ecoboom! 🙄😂
Fast and easy, just have to remove the engine from the car lmao
Thats not needed! I could have made a video when the engine was is the car, but than you dont get the clear view :D
unfortunately this rubbish engine is still in production
Lost mw at, remove velve cover 🤣🤣
mw?
Los PSA o son unos locos o tontos a quien se le ocurre hacer un motor así.
THP PSA NEVER
Nothing easy, Citroën give approximatly 3h for timing belt changing and the oil carter ,You don't clean it (belt residue in oil crépine)
I refuse to do this shit engine.
Peggio del peggio
Do the same on the car 😂😂😂😂😂
The engine is removed because the old engine has damage. So i am working on a new engine here. A replacement. And i thought it would be easier to show you guys when engine is out.
C'est des moteurs poubelles.