I felt robbed of that friendship. Eric and Otis, Maeve and Aimee and even Jackson and Viv all had their friendship worked on. And Adam and Ola had what? Two scenes together if I remember correct, and one of them were very "tell and not show" (when Otis and Ruby's relationship gets out).
The truest MVPs because I don’t think it possible. There are things I didn’t like about them (that’s still a little true), but now I’m genuinely rooting for them, they had some great moments.💜
Also Viv really disappointed me when she just threw Jackson under the bus so easily because yes, she does want to get ahead but last season she made it clear that she and Jackson were endgame friendship wise
I can't stress enough how authentic the Eric in Nigeria episode was. As a Ghanaian but born/raised in Canada, it was literally the first time seeing a western show accurately depict West Africa so well, from the African music in the episode, the scenes of the streets, and him just genuinely being excited to go visit (as opposed to thinking it would be a backwards place). I loved it but just didn't like that he cheated lol. Also when he dropped his bike when Otis said his response to Ruby was "that's nice" had me dying 😂
That episode made me so happy, but Eric's mom's accent had me gagging😂it was so fake, apart from that I loved the authentic West African representation.
Terrible accents but as a Ghanaian , I was happy to see the big wedding and the aunties speaking their native Yoruba language ! And happy to hear afrobeats !
What I love about sex ed is that it lets minorities be kinda shitty people without generalising about whole groups, if that makes sense? Like Isaac does some not great things in his relationship with Maeve, and Eric and Ruby treat people badly at points, but it’s very clear that their actions don’t reflect all disabled people, all queer people, all people of colour, all women etc. Sometimes you just get stereotypical bad representation, and sometimes the minority characters are all perfect, but sex ed lets them be multifaceted human beings capable of being both good and bad
No. Especially for Isaac. It's still bad representation as he is the only disabled character. With Black students it's different, cause while we have Eric and Viv do shitty things, we also have Cal and Jackson as the better characters. Isaac is the only disabled character and was painted a villain from the start
I feel like Adams Dad had some good character development as well this season. I was so happy to see him stand up to his big brother. Hopefully next season we'll see him try to repair his relationship with Adam.
I agree but he should have reached out to Adam first, instead of his wife. Adam NEEDS him, the wife doesn’t. I hate how he sees his relationship with his son as the last thing on his itinerary. He should prioritize fixing things with Adam, because I feel like in the end, once his wife sees how much he improved his relationship with their son, she most likely will take him back. It also looks so wrong how all the times he visited the house after the separation, he never once spoke to Adam. Edits: grammar
@@thebadpolarbear but then again I get why he is like that because remember they had flashbacks of his childhood and there’s a saying hut people hurt people so it’s gonna take him some time
@@xoxarily yes! This is what annoyed me so much. He never reached out to Adam and even when his wife rejected dinner with him he should have invited Adam over.
My problem with Eric this season is that he kept picking fights with Adam and making up issues that weren’t there. He never tried to communicate with Adam, and whenever Adam showed an emotion he didn’t particularly like, Eric made Adam think he was picking a fight. That’s so messed up. And then to cheat and make Adam think it’s his fault because he’s not “gay enough”….idk. i just didn’t recognize Eric this season and that sucked. I don’t know why the writers did that? It was giving biphobic lol. Also, I’m sorry but Maeve and Otis are FORCED!!!! And i won’t apologize 🤣
Otis and Maeve are definitely not forced they balance eachother out and have a deep emotional connection I think people only feel this way because of the relationship that was shown with Otis and ruby if you even want to call it that they were only dating a week and suddenly she's in love with him lol but Otis and Maeve were friends for a year and have went through a lot together
Yes!! And every time they fought about something Adam did his best to change and grow in the direction Eric wanted. Eric had the exact same struggles season 1 and still can’t see how it could be difficult for Adam to immediately be as comfortable as he is?
about Maeve and Otis YESS. by season 2 episode 1 I didn’t want them together at all, and every time* the show did the will they won’t they thing I got annoyed, cause I felt nothing between them anymore
the issue I had with Eric this season stemmed mostly from his inability to see anything beyond his expectations. everything NEEDS to be sparkly and rainbow-bright, and if things aren’t living up to his dream romance he takes it soo personally, then gets defensive. like the woods scene pissed me off, if Eric had took even a moment to pay attention to Adam’s feelings, he would’ve realized that he was uncomfortable not with having sex with because he was a guy, but because he was just not ready to express his needs. also, guilting someone because they won’t have sex with you, when you want it, is a shitty thing to do.
ALSO when Adam thinks Eric doesn’t what to do it anymore, have you seen his super supportive face. He looks like he’s completely okay with waiting and not doing it, and then seconds later, roles switch and Eric just rages out. Wtf….
Eric has spent most of his former years getting bullied. He put a lot of work into developing his self-confidence. I think it's fine for him to set expectations for what he wants out of a relationship also he's a teenager. It's perfectly healthy and realistic for him to change his mind. Rahim was a little too cerebral for him, while Adam has a lot of personal growth to do that maybe Eric does want to involve himself with.
@@demeliou3844 that's what's I'm saying. Everyone is treating Eric like this horrible person when he is trying to figure things out for himself. Yes it was wrong for Eric to kiss that guy, but it was the first time he felt liberated since coming out. He doesn't regret it because he now knows what he wants in a relationship
Yeah well but that’s what I love about this series, everyone has flaws and that’s perfectly normal for teenagers! They’re awkward, don’t know what they’re doing, and definitely not the most selfless creatures in the universe and this series captures it well. Anyway, taking the ADAM and RAHIM train!!! Poo based relationship!!
@@cheyennecharles9631 I think Eric struggling with feeling back in the closet is perfectly valid, and he's in no obligation to stay in the relationship (although to be fair, he did know it would be like that beforehand, as pointed out in the video). However he has now cheated on two partners, and seemingly doesn't really care much. After Otis had his chat with Ruby and they broke up, he felt like garbage for hurting her. And in the end, all Otis did wrong was be honest about his lack of romantic feelings towards her. But Eric cheated on Adam and then dumped him, and the next time we see him he's dancing around his room in a great mood. I can understand feeling happy now he feels less trapped in a restrictive relationship, but the way it's presented it really comes off like he couldn't care less about how he hurt Adam.
Ngl, I kinda teared up during the scene where mr. Groff is making his salad😭I really appreciated seeing him not be so cold and stern. I loved Adam and Ruby’s character development. Eric needs to sit with himself before getting into anymore relationships, I still love him..just not as much this season. Maeve has always kinda been in the middle for me, I’m not super in love with her character. Otis is okay as well lol. The scene where Rahim throws shit out the window had me dying for an hour😭😭another favorite scene of mine.
i literally had tears streaming down my face from how hard i laughed at that entire bus sequence. from jackson and cal freaking rahim out to when jackson calls himself a tube, i had to rewind like 10 times LMFAO i couldnt handle it
I agree that Jean getting pregnant was a little random and unnecessary. I do like how they showed the bias towards aging women who are pregnant. For example that doctor who was doing her ultrasound was a total douche and that happens all the time!!
Hum yeah but the scene in which she fights with the doctor makes her look like the stereotypical hysterical pregnant woman... It is good they showed us this side of sexism, but in this precise scene the audience is clearly supposed to feel like Jean is being over the top because of the hormones. So... hated that lol
@@Aisha_Luv The way the scene is made (cinematography, her acting, etc...) is really supposed to be a comical moment of Jean "losing it". When she says "oh yes another cishet white male!" it was really pictured as ridiculous, I'm surprised that only few people picked up on that, that made me so mad
NOOOOOOOOO!!!! let’s just have adam and rahim be really good gay besties. i would hate to have them get together just bc they’re gay. like let’s break the stigma of all gays getting with each other and that they can’t just be friends. lol. let’s just have them stay friends edit: adam is bi!! sorry!! i wasn’t trying to erase that!
I actually would like to see that. Like I don't think I've ever seen a show besides Will & Grace have 2 gay guys just be friends and not want to end up with each other. I love the fact that Otis and Eric are friends and there is like no pining for them to be interested in each other. Nice to see a show with a straight guy with an openly gay best friend and they're just besties.
I wish more folks talked about Ola and how she has many one sided relationships especially romantically. Lilly, didn’t care enough to ailllrt her or even remotely listen to anything ola had going on. Ola always listened and endured a lot from Lily but that’s never addressed. Ola was expected and is expected to constantly shelter and be receptive to everyone else around her. I wish they would have showed or highlighted better the kind of weight and depression that can cause someone. She was many peoples emotional dump truck including her own relationship and that never even improved by the end of the season in terms of her romantic relationship.
Definitely feel they left Ola hanging in this series. Her plot line of loss and traumatic changes were done in bits n pieces and usually via other characters. I felt there were too many plot lines going on, so she got shafted down the list. Lily's alien weirdness got a lot more airplay and attention than Ola's life being overturned.
Ikr! I was so pissed at Lily this season. Ola kept trying to talk to her about how she felt emotionally about her mom, and Lily kept talking over her about alien sightings. Love for your partner, imo, shouldn’t be based upon whether or not they believe the same conspiracy theories as you and her anger about Ola wanting to try having sex without role play was so uncalled for. Lily acted like a total victim the whole time and only briefly acknowledged that she was not being a very good girlfriend because she ignored Ola trying to open up to her. Obviously what happened to Lily with the shaming was terrible, but she acted like Ola was the only one in the wrong for most of the season. Ola’s dad also sucked. I wish they expanded more on Ola and had a proper support for her instead of just trying to show it being resolved with a hug from dad and an alien sighting.
yeah i dont like Lily's character. and I was kind of happy when she almost gave up the alien stuff. It is ridiculous, and I dont think it's realistic that Ola could stand to be around Lily. Like, what do they talk about. Because Ola doesn't care about aliens and that is all Lily talks about. I'm confused why they were ever a thing. Ola is very much a realist, and very matter of fact, and I'd think she'd go crazy being with someone like Lily.
i honestly have to agree. i love the idea of maeve and otis ending up together but we could see that maeve had really moved on; her scenes with isaac were really sweet i honestly thought that i was gonna love maeve and otis' first kiss scene but it just ended up being too forced if that makes sense
@@ctrlshiftniall5877 I love Maeve’s personal arc. From troubled young teen to a wise young woman to think she also has to deal with her messed up family. She definitely has come a long way but she also outgrew Otis imo. I feel you. I really thought that if they Kiss maybe it will make me want to see Maeve/Otis again but it didn’t. It felt forced and how convenient it is that both of them were left behind by the bus just for the kissing scene to happen. Also, the Otis/Ruby pairing is much more relatable and refreshing to see in a tv series, wherein the Maeve/Otis seems like a fairytale already.
@@alcoholbodyspray4811 ngl Otis and ruby was a big refresher to the series and made me want to see what was gonna happen next but then like I thought, otis and Maeve some how get left together. Felt so forced realy bummed me out for the rest of season 3.
Otis is still so immature. Ruby is growing so much too. Maeve has kind of grown already. she's developed friendships with Issac, Aimee, Otis, she's a good sister, good daughter. She's not a loner anymore.... she's just so past pining after Otis, who still treats his mother like total shit. I agree, the characters have gone down different paths and I think Maeve would be better with someone more mature than Otis' character now.
I can’t believe Viv would immediately turn on her ONLY FRIEND. Like why??? Now Eric.. I totally get Eric not really wanting to be in a relationship with a closeted guy. That sucks. But Adam loved Eric soooooooo much and was consistently doing his best.And he KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO EXACTLY!!!
See but Adam came out at school pretty early on in the season and got over his initial aggression and fear of classmates knowing; it was literally just his parents that he was scared to come out to, and you can’t really blame him considering what how his dad treated him
@@erin8432 that’s SUCH A GOOD POINT!! Thinking a guy with deep internalised homophobia who JUST came out will immediately come with you to gay clubs is so unrealistic.
It's not a matter of Eric's expectation for Adam being twisted, it's that over the course of the season Eric gradually began to realise what it was that HE wanted, and that he and Adam just were not a good match. Which they weren't. I thought they were a bad match from the very beginning. Yes, cheating is bad of course, but I'm not a fan of this new narrative that's sprung up where Eric is this manipulative, pressuring POS. He's eighteen. He changes, very quickly, like eighteen-year-olds do, and also quickly understands that this relationship is just gonna hold both of them back.
i was SO confused by... literally everything to do with Hope. like the weird infertility storyline seemed to exist ENTIRELY to create some sort of circumstance for her and Otis to have a conversation. maybe it was to try and humanize her but it felt so forced and unnatural and kind of insensitive to use infertility as a plot device. also her wardrobe choices were so confusing. prison jumpsuit but make it fashion
I thought it was a really great example of how conservative ideology doesn’t just affect more liberal people or people who don’t conform, but actually affects the people ascribed to that ideology. Hope literally defines her worth by her ability to have children, when, in reality, women are so much more than that.
She was so controlling at the school because she was being paid to so she could afford her IVF. Her failure to conceive storyline was to represent the lack of control she had on her life which is why she was so controlling in her work.
I think It was a really good plot point. She can't control one of the most important aspects of her Life (at least It's really important to her). SHE'S a control freak, because she feels vulnerable and incapable. It's actually a really good take at how insecurity can breed draconian control. This show really goes Up to show why people are how they are, even bad people like groff or Hope, but It gets Away from the awfull sad story= redemption. Hope is a terrible person, no Matter what curcumstances moved her to where she IS and groff needs to actively mend his ways. He has our simpathy, but not our forgiveness. He absolutely massacred his kid.
"It's the fact that he didn't care" EXACTLY. I understand if he doesn't want to be with adam, that's fine, but the way he broke up with him was so cruel and insensitive. First he cheats, and then he has the audacity to say he doesn't regret it? Sorry but ur trashhh. I was shocked to see how little it affected him because I honestly thought he had developed a lot of love for adam. It sucks cause Eric is a good friend (and rlly funny) but he's a shitty boyfriend. Poor adam tried so hard and made so much progress. They weren't even on bad terms when Eric left
I agree with you it was so harsh. Now Eric’s really got this reputation of cheating, would have never expected it. And we had just learned to love Adam. I’m upset. The only grace I give Eric is being young and dumb and selfish. It’s not okay, at alll, but I think it’s true sometimes when your finding yourself you can step on people’s toes. I wish we’d seen more of him and Otis, hashing things out, asking and giving advice, but where would the drama be if they let them be rational.
tbh ever since the start of the first season eric always pegged me as someone who didn’t do committed relationships, and from what i’ve seen these few seasons is that i’m right-
IKR??? Like I get that the kiss felt good but what does he mean by he wouldn’t take it back? Cheating is a hobby for you? I hope he doesn’t get away without consequences of such horrible behaviors.
One thing this show does right is to give depth to previously detestable characters. I never expected to feel sorry for Ruby, but she got her heart broken by Otis, whom she genuinely loved. She also finally showed Anwar and Olivia where she lived.
I really don't think that she genuinely loved Otis tho he's just the first person that she was emotionally vulnerable with so she thinks it's love but it's just a genuine emotional connection I mean she doesn't even know Otis they were dating a week went on one actual date at that point and were just having casual sex before that so I think she needs to calm down a bit
@@tehronmoment1367 I agree with you that what Ruby felt for Otis was not necessarily love but I feel like in life you don’t come to that conclusion until some time has passed and you’ve grown and matured a bit so I can’t completely dismiss Ruby’s feelings personally
i never expected to cry over ruby either. it was amazing seeing her growth. when she showed otis her home and otis helped her with her dad and stuff. it was her first time being able to be vulnerable and like, be herself around somebody from outside of her family i guess. and i was touched when anwar and olivia showed up to her home and they didn't judge her home situation or anything. i was also heartbroken when ruby was rejected by otis. i really hope we see ruby a lot again next season and she gets to be happier
What I don't see anybody talking about is how Eric handled the situation on the meadow where him and Adam wanted to have their first time. When Adam - badly - tried to communicate that he didn't want it a certain way Eric didn't let him finish and assumed that Adam did not want to have sex, reacting by screaming at him and instantly leaving. That really rubbed me the wrong way - even tho Eric misunderstood the situation, I can't be the only one who finds his behavior sexually pressuring? So what IF Adam tried to tell him he wasn't ready yet and Eric shamed him like that?
EXACTLY! Even if he was saying that he wasn’t ready in general for sex, that’s completely fine! It’s his choice, AND ALSO it says nothing about whether he’s actually gay or not! Shows how little he trusted him that he immediately assumed it was because he was uncomfortable with having sex with a guy. (Edit: I know he’s bi oops)
Yes!! That was the worst thing he did imo. It felt very odd given his usual knowledgeable character, and I wish they addressed how wrong of a reaction it was. I feel like we didn’t really see his love or respect for Adam this season. He was happy around him sometimes, but he no longer accepted him for who he was
For me even the location was not it. Why on earth would he want to have sex OUTSIDE ???!! And he was so self-contradictory, one minute he's willing to listen, then next he won't hear it? Argh he pissed me off.
I feel like Eric just didnt like their relationship and they tried to show that? Maybe he's supposed to stIll not be over Adam bullying him and thus assumes the worst about him all the time? Idk, really shitty of him to cheat doe but i feel like their relationship just didn't work for them
I watch the series with my dad And the part when Maeve and Amy said that from now on they would be the mother of each other, he screamed "THAT'S FRIENDSHIP, BE TOGETHER ON THE GOOD AND THE BAD", then went on to say that it doesn't matter if you know them since childhood, college, work, etc., if you find comfort and mutual support with that person, it's the person who deserves your friendship
@@xxxsnippzzxxx9355 Why is that inappropriate? Unless they are under the age description, I think it's actually favorable to be able to watch this comfortably with your parents. That way you can discuss some of the topics of the show.
i like the part in the end where otis talks to jean about his genuine interest in therapy ,,, [ i like how prominent therapy is in the entire show in general, and how normalized it is !!! ] it was a very heartwarming scene, especially in jean's point of view because she looked so genuinely proud of otis
I MISSED VIV AND JACKSONS FRIENDSHIP I feel like Cal kinda replaced their friendship and I absolutely LOVE Cal but I feel like they could’ve kept both an amazing new character and an amazing friendship from last season that honestly inspired and did so much for ppl (me included). All their scenes were either them fighting, or the focus was on Cal and Jackson. Viv was barely in it and honestly kinda changed…that made me sad bc I loved her last season. Anyone feel the same?
You must be American and biased because cal was not loved in the UK and Ireland. They didn’t try to do anything with their character, instead they just focused on representation which is really disrespectful
I mean it makes sense that viv would be kinda ealous of their friendship and combined with the working your way up the system vs fight the system attitude it felt logical that they didnt get along that much. But i really loved when they came together in the end
@@raindropsonroses3919 I am American haha but yeah now that you say that I agree. I was just talking about Viv and Jackson bc I missed them this season, but I do see the problems with how Cal was portrayed that is a separate issue. I do think there were a lot of good elements of their character but yes they could’ve done better. Regardless, I was just saying I miss Jackson and Viv’s friendship and the sweet purity of it. Their friendship is up there with Maeve and Amy’s in my opinion and it sucked that they were barely shown this season.
You’re not alone at all! When they weren’t disagreeing quickly in the corridor, they only came together near the end. I would have loved to see them studying together, or all hanging out with Eugene and Cal. I think all the friendships suffered for relationships this season
It kinda felt like they wrote of Hope as the generic “I’m a mean lady because I’m having trouble having children” trope and I didn’t like that…like I feel like they could have humanized her in SO MANY other ways.
I think she her harshness comes from a different place: 1. She grew up in a different time where what was permissible in schools was different and there were certain expectations of students. Even when Groff was headmaster, he was not ok with what the students were doing and was trying to put a stop to it. Remember too, there were different thoughts on how sex and sexuality should be approached when she was growing up. And quite frankly, very rarely are students' concerns treated seriously, at any level. Sure, there may be a forum here and there to pacify the masses, but very rarely does anything come of it. This mentality is further displayed in her interactions with Maeve, specifically with how willing she was to support Maeve in the gifted and talented program. In the past, schools have been regarded as only a place of academia, and all other concerns were elementary, which is why she was so focused on creating such a rigidly focused and disciplined atmosphere. 2. The school had also received a lot of bad press (sex school) and she had the board breathing down her neck to make it better. If you notice, she didn't even get to the extreme punishment until the whole incident in France, among other things, which had the board openly threatening her position. That does not excuse her behaviour, but the reality is a lot of educators are backed into a corner by school administration and have to follow their rules or risk losing their jobs. It was even observed on a smaller scale with the "cool" teachers, one even punishing Otis when he spoke out during sex ed class because although he may have agreed with him, he didn't want to lose his job. As unfair as Hope may have been, she was simply the mouthpiece for the school board.
@Uche Nna These were not meant to validate her, merely to explain her and also to show her being mean was not a result of having trouble conceiving. Plus, the situation with the past headmaster was never as dire. Again, not defending her.
So true. I don't know many conservative millennials to be fair, but her character seemed so unrealistic to me. I thought a more nuanced way to go about her character would be that's she is a feminist and mostly "woke" IN THEORY, but still has a lot of internalised shame and is somewhat concerned/jealous of the kids for their sexual liberation seeming so "easy" while hers was and is still a constant struggle despite all appearances. I'm projecting lmao but still...
Yeah, I understand that ultimately the cheating had very little to do with Adam and more to do with Eric reconciling his identity as both gay AND Nigerian. But I definitely do not endorse his treatment of Adam throughout the season, cheating included. If he outgrew that relationship, he should have been mature enough to handle it better than he did. Eric just kept trying to change Adam, pressuring him to wear makeup and come out to his parents, and so basically telling Adam he just wasn't gay "enough" because of how he chose to perform his sexual identity. That is not cool at all.
I saw it more as like, she's been unable to have a child which is something she has no control over, so she sort of when overboard with controlling the school as a means of having something she can control
I swear. Even in the hospital scene with Otis close to the end and she was crying about not even being able to be a mom, I was like you would make a horrible mother. I know that sounds so mean, I still felt bad for her to an extent, but children need to be protected and loved and heard.
@@cadyg2531 they arent children they are adults who misbehave despite being warned....HOPE isnt entirely wrong you just sympathize for the characters because they are the main ones...i bet if it was hope's POV you guys would be cursing at what disrespect the students do to adults
They really rushed Jackson's story with cal. Wanted to see more of him and his parents and also him finding out about Maeve's abortion. We hardly got any scenes of him. I was rooting for him
doubt Maeve’s abortion is gonna come up again they basically brushed it off like “yeah that happened cuz you know she’s an empowered feminist that doesn’t need a men’s consent”
@@ottymatir7143 she was also 17 and could barely afford getting by, i thought it was more a way of showing why abortion is needed and how in some cases the girls can't even think of another way. Maeve wouldn't have realistically trusted Jackson to be involved considering everyone left her already
Honestly, what I love the most is the care writers put in friendships. Romantic relationships are messy just like teen loves usually are but whenever the worst time comes it's all about friendships. Characters grow mostly because of the support of their friends and not because and for the love interest. I think in that way they really departed from typical teen show narratives. Eric is a great friend but a shit boyfriend. Amy treats Steve badly but is Maeve's rock. Otis is just confusing but actually a good friend. And the moment Ruby invited her friends over was such a great one. So, I completely cheer for this shift of "friends I'll die for" instead of that toxic "partner I'll die for".
I don't think Isaac was so caring and kind to Maeve, he was actually super manipulative at some points. The whole deleting the voicemail was really bad, but when he told Maeve he didn't even tell her everything that was important. And honestly, I think Maeve forgave him way too quickly considering she's super feminist. Like, he messed with her life because he wanted to ''protect her'' (read : get with her) and after like a day she wasn't mad anymore. Also, the whole season he kept saying that she shouldn't be with Otis because he doesn't understand her (because he's not poor, or has an addict parent), which also led to Maeve and Aimee having a fight. Telling someone they shouldn't be around people who don't have the same background has them is pretty stupid IMO. But I don't think they were even dating when Motis kissed, so it wasn't really cheating. Basically, Isaac just gets in Maeve's head to get her to like him, that's how I see it.
Honestly, the whole deleting the voicemail shit was super messed up, BUT ! he told her about it willingly (i was afraid she was gonna discover it by another bias), and honestly. So yeah he tried to justify it a bit, and I'm mad she forgave him so easily, but I honestly think he redeemed himself. But not boyfriend material On the other hand, Otis... acted super manipulative to Maeve last season (and was super mean to her at that party) and they basically never adressed it. Their relationship didn't grow at all this season, it just changed status. I honestly dislike Otis so much now, whereas he was really sweet and relatable at the beginning of the series
agreed fully about Maeve forgiving him too quickly. if someone did that to me, you better believe that person would never hear from me again. i'm out. you don't jsut manipulate somebody's life like that. isaac is not a good person
i thought i was the only one who saw right through all of his blatant manipulation!!! like when he was trying to explain why he deleted the voicemail he was like “i ONLY did it because i care about you” if that isn’t a warning sign i don’t know what is. he was consistently selfish and lied to much about his motives i think he even convinced himself of those lies. really dislike him.
completely agree, also he just seemed like some weird random guy that was a little too much older for her like with the full beard and everything. like he wasn't a student..
@@imuRgency Explored in past seasons, his friendship with Ola, and relationship with Aimee. Don't get why a lot of commenters call him gay. Or is it our society's bi-erasure attempt.
no it's not normal for headteachers in the UK to do stuff like that. in reality, a bunch of 17 year olds would not have put up with her shit for so long without fighting back lmao
A lot of them are horrible, but I wish a teacher would have put their hands on me. Lord 💆🏾♀️💆🏾♀️ the whole time I was like see when I have kids, I feel sorry for these teachers, let me hear a single word about disturbing treatment to my children 🥊
I love Eric, and I understand his actions this season to a degree, but his impatience with Adam really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, first of all, Adam was basically out,(the entire school plus his dad knew) his mom was the only person that didn’t know, and I feel like Eric could have tried harder to understand how Adams relationship with his mum was (because Adam is obviously not super close with his parents). Also, Adam is an introvert. He doesn’t go out to clubs and stuff because he’s an introvert. How does one just simply not know anything about the guy they’re dating? And even if Adam wasn’t an introvert, he still might not express his queerness (I say queerness specifically because Adam is bi, not gay) the same way Eric does. The picnic scene almost killed me, truly. What if Adam just changed his mind? What if he just fell out of the mood? What if he really was just nervous to try anal for the first time? Eric shaming him and saying he “wasn’t properly gay” (the boy is bi godamnit!) was way out of line. Like what in the gaslight gatekeep girl boss is this shit? Eric chose Adam, knowing who he was, and it shouldn’t of taken cheating to figure out that he chose wrong (for him that is, I love Adam but they clearly never should have dated).
THIS!! Exactly what i was thinking. Like the fact that Adam doesn’t wear makeup and go out to clubs doesn’t mean he’s ashamed or closeted, it just means he’s like this. Eric should accept that. Also, I didnt get when he said he was loosing himself in the breakup. Like what the hell did Adam do to make hum feel like he was loosing himself?? Eric could wear whatever he wants and Adam wouldnt say a thing… i didnt get any of this…
@@alexiar798 oh my gosh right!? Like obviously he doesn’t have to stay in a relationship he doesn’t want to be in, but why was he acting like it was Adams fault somehow for not having an extroverted personality like Eric does? He could have just communicated with Adam and told him he wasn’t happy, but instead he cheated and blamed Adam. Smh
@@dishonourablemention3341 100% agree!! Im so pissed bc I really loved their connection before and even the romantic moments and now I feel like its ruined. Poor Adam he really tried and even came out in front of the whole school and it still wasnt enough…
Exactly what I was thinking. The forest scene pissed me off enormously and then everything Eric said during the breaking up... Wtf seriously. I'm an introvert too, doesn't have anything to do with my certainty in my sexuality. And exactly as you said - he's out to basically everyone except his mother and he has never said that Eric shouldn't be as colourful and loud as he wants to be so the "blame" he was giving Adam made no sense. I agree they shouldn't have dated but Adam really made a huge amount of effort too and Eric just kept flipping out and having no patience. And the excuse that he's a teenager for not having patience? I mean, Otis is a teen too and he seemed quite patient to an extent with Ruby, Eric was so patient with Otis and his problems right at the beginning too. So idk, I'm just angry with Eric for a lot of things and hope he gets reprimanded for it in the next season.
the whole principal being an asshole to the students storyline definitely reminded me of my high school experience because yes, they had so much power over us and would humiliate us for not “following their rules”
A UK student here- No, a teacher can’t do that they would be in serious trouble and would be fired. If what happened to Lily EVER happened to me expel me and call my parents and tell what you said but they wouldn’t never accept it.
The way Adam has just been consistently growing since season 1. Ever since the end of season 1 he’s been a personal fave of mine. So far hasn’t disappointed me like every single other character.
Eric ain’t SHIT but otis was right in being honest about his feelings with ruby. It would’ve been worse if he just led her on and they were unfortunately just weren’t on the same wavelength and couldn’t make it work
@@brunomehle9762 yeah but ruby felt love and wanted love back, Otis couldn’t give that back to her at the moment. I agree that they could’ve worked it out but ruby didn’t want to be together and keep giving that relationship her all knowing that Otis didn’t love her.
I think they just needed time. My theory is that Ruby already had a crush on Otis before but only acted on it at the party. That's why she was quick to say I love you while he's just beginning to like her. If they had enough time, it could've worked 😭
Honestly, this season made me so mad for Adam watching the way Eric treated him. He constantly got mad at Adam for not being ready to have sex, got mad when Adam wasn’t ready to come out to his mom and was clearly pressuring him to, also got mad at Adam when he didn’t conform to Eric’s idea of queerness, then kissed someone else and made it about his growth as a person and didn’t even seem to care about how it affected Adam. Adam put so much of himself into the relationship and did anything he could to try and make Eric happy yet not once did Eric TRULY appreciate it. If Eric wanted to be with someone already comfortable with themselves then he shouldn’t have even dated Adam in the first place because all he did was probably make Adam hate himself even more.
Yes, exactly. Eric was selfish and in a way that is just inexplicable. The excuse that he's a teenager is a bit ridiculous because he's patient with Otis, he was patient about some things with Adam, Otis was patient with Ruby. And no matter what, patience or not, pressuring someone into sex by getting angry like that is never okay, wtf. The show really dropped the ball on this in my opinion - they should've shown how wrong it was of Eric to do that.
what bothered me most was that adam (and lily) are every neurodivergent and particulary bothered me with eric was that he expected adam to come to him for everything and yes adam did get character development but it would've been better to have a partner that tries to understand the way you comunicte especially when you are already making the efforts to communicate like eric was really giving up on adam at any moment of slight difficulty or when things wouldn't go as he planned
What makes you think that Adam is neurodivergent? His difficulties in school? His communication difficulties? I always read that as a response to the trauma of emotional neglect. genuinely curious, since I am neurodivergent as well.
I'm thinking about it more and i think i can see Viv's motivation for snatching headgirl. It's really simple. She was just jealous. She saw jackson and Cal getting closer and she saw Jackson standing up for Cal and listening to Cal all the time and she got bitter. She was very passive agressive this season. She did get over it in the end though.
I actually think it's really more about her ambition. She saw Hope as being a way for her to get to achieve a lot of things and she's very ambitious and smart and probably used to not being trusted with a lot of responsibility so when the opportunity came it was very appealing to her. And I think it was very conscious on Hope's side too because she is shown to be really manipulative and she saw right through Viv's ambition and insecurity and vulnerability. I never read Viv as a villain in this season and I thought it was very realistic too because we know that authoritarian figures do draw in vulnerable/insecure people, that doesn't mean those people are bad, they are victims of manipulation and they make some bad choices too it's true but it doesn't make them bad people. Let's remember Viv is supposed to be 17 and impressionable when faced with a confident, charismatic adult in a position of power.
I meaann, i didn't get the vibe that Otis tried to get back with Ruby. It mainly felt like he was just trying to apologize to her for the way things ended. Im honestly glad that he was honest with her about how he felt, otherwise it would have just been him leading her on and probably cheating on her too. I think the way Otis handled the situation was (for the most part) important in terms of being honest with yourself and your partner about how you feel I STILL MISS THEM THOUGH 😭
The scene where lilly felt compelled to become more "normal" because of the humiliation she received really broke me because people need to let people enjoy things without labeling it as "cringe".
This is a late reply but same. Especially because my name is Lillian and I’m often called lillie, especially when growing up and I’m potentially autistic, I really relate to her and all the similarities even in our names made it even more personal for me.
One thing I don’t understand about Jean’s pregnancy is, if Jakob had a vasectomy and she slept with other people, why would she think it’s Jakob’s baby? And think that it’s fate with her age and his vasectomy? She also waited MONTHS to tell him, she was so sure. Whole paternity thing is so stupid.
Literally it was crazy. Then (spoiler alert) Knowing her, she’ll probably lie for majority of the fourth season about who Joy’s father really is. It really sucks that she’s like this in relationships cause in my opinion, she’s a likeable character otherwise.
OH MY GOSH THANK YOU!!! I was getting into so many arguments with my friends about how Eric was the WORST this season and they kept talking about how Adam is an abuser and Eric deserved better and was being held to high standards…but Eric legit keeps expecting his partners to be constantly pleasing him and doing what he wants while not communicating well at all. It was also awful how he shamed Adam for not being ready to have sex or come out to his mom. Last rant: The thing I hated the most was when Eric had the audacity to tell Adam “you’re just learning to walk and I’m ready to fly”!!! I get that he is referring to the fact that Adam isn’t out completely, but Eric is frankly the one who is way more immature. He can’t commit to anyone and has no idea how to communicate his needs in a relationship until after he breaks up with them. He also doesn’t even genuinely apologize to Adam or Rahim, which shows complete emotional immaturity to me.
This is probably my favorite season, also I don't know if it's just me, but this season was so therapeutic. I like how Adam and Ruby were developed. Cal and Vivian are my favorite characters especially Vivian and I am so satisfied with the bi represention and queer relationships.
Honestly I really feel like Eric was giving Adam a hard ass time. Like if you knew you couldn’t handle his “not readiness” than why would you say yes to dating him TF 🤨🤨🤨
@@demeliou3844 is it? He cheated on Raheem too and embarrassed him in front of the whole school doing it. Also, you'd think this is something that would cross eric's mind considering this also used to be his bully.
i feel like they tried to find reasons to distance viv and jackson because they didn’t know how to bring cal along and make them close to jackson another way. the way cal helped jackson with his anxiety was amazing to me but it was something that viv used to do last season so it felt like the writers didn’t know how to create one close friendship while maintaining another one. maybe i’m reaching but yeah i feel like it was a missed opportunity for a great trio
yeah, seems they had no idea what to do with Jackson's character. I think this dragged down the others. If Cal is going to be a new main character then let us get to know her home life. She only existed to be nonbinary and a love interest. I dont really know much about Cal. I think just having Viv and Jackson together as friends trying to stop the principal could've been more interesting. I dont see what Cal's character really added to the show. Also would've kept the Jackson/Viv friendship going too. They're both better getting along.
And people saying Otis wasn’t wrong... no one is mad that Otis didn’t really Ruby he loved her back the issue was how he went about everything afterward. He was entirely inconsiderate of her feelings and mislead her. He dated her while knowing he was in love with someone else all along and truthfully had no real intentions of of staying with her long term. She was a rebound and he caused her to experience a great deal of shame by letting her show off their relationship/ be public, be emotionally vulnerable, while just wanting to be with someone else all along. She was totally blindsided.
@@RsMt1505 yeah exactly, and they seem super cliche and forced now.. they dont work well together anymore. the story has developed so much since then. otis and ruby being together would work a lot better. maybe maeve with isaac too. but anyway she's going to the states for studying now so we will see how that develops
The writers made a HUGE mistake overextending the tension between Otis and Maeve. We don’t care anymore. Ruby. Is such a complex and adorable character that Maeve has been upstaged…they can not put her down now. The whole fan base is rooting for Ruby…
@@rodrigoolea3268 this is so true. The writer kept pushing and pushing along Maeve and Otis and trying to build the tension to be a 'finally' moment. Now it just feel dry and I much prefer the connect with Ruby.
he wasn't inconsiderate of her feelings. he felt bad for hurting her (remember the scene where his dad tells him he did less hurtful thing). He kept trying to talk to her about it, but she kept pushing him away and ignoring him. I get that she's hurt and hence doesn't wanna talk to him but come on, be an adult. learn to accept rejection. When he dated her, he wasn't in love w Maeve, or at least, he was getting over her. He didn't have intentions of staying w ruby long term, but I don't think that's such a bad thing, they're just highschool kids. even serious relationships usually start with "oh this isn't gonna be that serious". he could've later formed intentions of staying long term if their rs was working out, but clearly it wasn't. how is it his fault that she feels ashamed. she was the one who felt ashamed of him cause she's popular and he's not. ruby is just a childish popular girl who can't deal with rejection.
Ugh I love Aimee 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 she’s so funny and a genuine friend. I’ve never heard a show talk about people pleasing (I felt personally attacked) and that convo w Jean hit really deep
I loved this video but I think we should talk more about Mr. Groff. His whole development was amazing and him just discovering himself while the teens lived the dramas was so nice to watch and a perfect parallel between him and Adam. The scene with Michael (Mr Groff) and his brother is in my mind constantly. Build up the courage and self love to stand up for yourself and step on you bully with whom you share the same blood is the hardest achievement someone can obtain.
I love Eric but I didn’t like him this season. First of all, why he was getting all mad when Adam was not comfortable being sexual yet? And then have the audacity to cheat. just say you’re selfish and go!
You always give these videos as soon as i finish a show😭 I love it!!! If there’s one thing the show does right, is it gives the characters development! Like Ruby? Who would’ve ever known. I really hope that Eric’s cheating on Adam doesnt regress his development. Adam has been doing so well and I feel like this cheating situation is going to hurt him so badly. I also am happy to see Principal Groff lowkey developing as well. Taking steps to talk to someone and finding something he likes. Seeing his childhood again makes his behavior much more explainable. I’m glad that it doesn’t only focus on the kids either. It shows development is a life long journey and doesn’t end after adolescence.
Although I don’t condone Eric’s behavior (the kiss in Nigeria), I think as a young out person, he wanted to kiss the Nigerian guy knowing that Adam was his bf but knowing he wouldn’t have an opportunity like this again. He found community and people he could be himself with, not hiding, being proud. And I think it was one of those times of “I want to do it because I want this for myself” not necessarily thinking about whether he was hurting Adam or not. He did it because he wanted to experience that and he would have regretted it if he hadn’t. Essentially he got rid of his inhibitions and decided to live in the moment, and I think it’s a great decision he made for himself. Not a great decision he made for his relationship with Adam. Though, in my opinion they needed to break up anyway. Adam needs to figure himself out.
That's why people have self control because by that logic cheating would be okay because most people during their life have opportunities or maybe attracted to someone else other than their partner, but do not act on it because it is immoral and wrong. When you love someone cheating on them is unthinkable. I agree that they needed to break up for Adam to find his identity out of his relationship. Hopefully they will fix the whole Eric and Adam situation in S4.
I think it is aj interesting contrast. Where Eric definitely isn't ready for a romantic relationship but he feels more and more comfortable in his own skin. But Adam seems ready to put the emotional work in but has a lot of learning to do a out himself. They are definitely not in the same book anymore but I do wonder if they address Eric's emotional immaturity when it comes to romance. Because he seems to only care about his needs at the moment and doesn't give a damn about his partner in any of these situations.
oof the normalization of cheating as if it’s a freeing choice and not a completely selfish one… kinda scary. like I get where you’re coming from but that’s still a no, two bfs and you can’t be faithful to either? Nah.
@@liz6377 eric definitely has some issues to deal with (re: cheating twice). But my point IS that he is being selfish, I’m not trying to normalize it and I don’t agree with it at all ( I wouldn’t have done that being in his position) I’m just trying to see where his character is coming from. Being a young teen in a country where being gay is punished and being in this space where he can be free of judgment and really taking that in. I support his journey, I do wish he wasn’t hurting Adam while doing it.
As a british viewer in hs, Hope reminded me sm of my teachers literally the other day i had to stand up infront of loads of people and get humiliated for my skirt cause it’s not up to my knees😃
The whole head teacher thing kinda annoyed me, cause it was so unbelievable. How did no one talk to their parents about this? Like- this wouldn’t happen… there are always parents too involved with their kid’s school, at least they would have known??
Personally I wouldn’t call Otis sick and twisted for breaking up with Ruby. He recognised that he didn’t have the same feelings for her, so he broke it off. The alternative would have been to stay with her and pretend to love her, which helps nobody. Even if Ruby’s new to opening herself up, Otis shouldn’t lie to her. Plus, when he kisses Maeve, it was coincidence that the bus would pull up in front of them, so it’s not like he did it in front of Ruby on purpose.
THE FACT THAT OTIIS KEPT WARNING ERIC ABOUT ADAM WHEN IN THE END IT WAS ERIC WHO RUINED THE RELATIONSHIP AND OTIS STILL SAID HE WASNT A BAD PERSON??? LIKE HELLO WHAT WAS GOIN ON IN THEIR HEADS
I could write a whole hour long season analysis on just how shitty a boyfriend Eric was to Adam. He really was a menace. I do still ship it. I always have. I know a lot of people felt like the relationship was toxic from the start because Adam was such a bully but I have always rooted for their relationship and Adam grew so much. Once they were officially in a relationship he was the sweetest boyfriend! Only to have his heart ripped out. :`( He deserved so much more.
I feel like the problem with Eric rn is that they made him have a necessary part of his development during a bad time. Him coming to to his hometown and having to closet but also seeing the beauty of the underground gay scene is something that should've happened BEFORE Adam. That way when he dates Adam and adam goes through his closet almost internally homophobic moments, Eric is brought back to the feeling he has to hide again and then brings up those toxic expectations on a closeted dude. He is a teenager after all and teenagers do be weaponizing those emotions casually for some reason. (Keep the break up even because Adam's shitty poem was so beautiful and heartbreaking.) In this way, we experience the same beats and drama, WITHOUT making Eric entirely unrecognizable as a character because holy damn did he do a TON of out of character things this season. As for the NB character, I would've liked to see them outside of just being NB as a character, but besides that they were a great inclusion that should've been around earlier in the story.
Great rundown! My thoughts: 1. Ruby needed the character growth. It was great to watch her rejection, because she was used to social acceptance (despite her financial status somehow). I just realised she didn't pop up again after the France episode, but I was fairly satisfied with where they led her. 2. I agree that Adam was done dirty, but like Ruby, he also needed that character growth, although admittedly Adam's journey is tough AF. Love & romance isn't all there is to life, and Adam needs to understand who he is as a person. I didn't like that they broke his heart, but I don't hate it for his character either. 3. I never realised it about Eric, but you hit the nail on the head about him. He was obviously very impatient and pushy with Adam throughout their relationship, and I was amazed that Adam didn't regress and retreat. 4. I thought Maeve had the weakest character growth this season. She basically spent 8 episodes ding-donging between two guys and chasing her mom around. We didn't discover anything new about her character. But I'm excited to see what the US stint does for her, and where that will take her thing with Otis. Now that they're all in the final year, it looks like Netflix is priming for only 1-2 seasons left of the story. Maybe Season 4 with Maeve in the US in parallel with everyone else back home, and Season 5 as graduation nears (or maybe Season 4 as final even)? 5. Otis' mom's arc was about older pregnancies, though they didn't really go deeper into her anxieties. I quite liked that as a change of pace from the major theme of the series. BUT I hated that they failed Joy's paternity test. Like wtf? It completely undid all the progress the blended family made together. I thought that was just some shit-stirring. I would have liked for them to explore the older parenting theme deeper once they bring Joy home. I don't think they've done very much for Otis' mom in general. They could have explored the complicated mother-son relationship deeper, and made it a constant theme throughout (like Leonard's hang-up in TBBT). I know that featuring Jean's other relationships give her more agency as an individual, but I'm really not that interested in the sex life of a 48yo woman - I want to see a sex therapist mending her relationship with son (which they've done in staccatos over the 3 seasons but it feels disjointed overall). 6. Viv's character in general was odd because they've just created her in service to the plot. A mini-antagonist? Here's Viv. Comic relief? Here's Viv. Ex machina to overthrow season's main antagonist? Here's Viv! Overall, I completely concur that Season 3 was satisfying because they fleshed out a lot of the supporting characters. Unfortunately, I think that's been at the expense of the main characters (come to think of it - wtf has Otis done?? Like Maeve, he'd just been flip-flopping). Am excited to see how they bring everyone's arcs to satisfying conclusions. Personally, I would LOVE to live in a place like Moordale - cosy, quiet, and calming with lush greens. I would love to have grown up in a house like Otis', and like him be on the threshhold of adulthood, ready to take on the world while knowing there's always a safe haven waiting for me back home.
Ok but am i the only one who thought that that """story""" with Rahim throwing a shit outside of a Window was really uncomfortable and hard to watch? Like wtf that was not necessary at all and i feel like they only create that scene to embarass Rahim and "praise" Adam. It was like they are forcing their friendship and it's kinda strange :/. But the scene with the poems was kinda cute ig
Yes that's how headmasters act, they're literally so strict and overly dramatic And this is coming from a South African, seeing the headmaster on Sex Ed reminder me of some headmasters we have here as well
I LOVED Adam's dad journey!! I know so many men that were taught they had to be cold and follow a certain career, and it was beautiful and inspiring to see him finding his passion again after so many years.
Most men are taught to follow certain careers but those careers are not teaching related. Men are told to become mechanical engineers, surgeons, pilots, lawyers etc. Teaching is considered to be a woman's job
I just, I didn't get Eric this season. He felt like a different character from season 1&2. I also just didn't get why I'm was so pissy with Adam and being out. Adam already came out in front of literally the entire school and his father just for Eric. So what if he's nervous about coming out to his mom? Why was he so impatient? Adam was really trying. And what the fuck was with Maeve this season? Why was it so easy for Isaac to manipulate her? I do not buy that he was a great guy. Also, Maeve and Otis had so few scenes together, I feel like a lot of the season one chemistry has been lost, and I just don't give a shit about them getting together anymore. They felt really forced this season.
I feel like miss milburn being pregnant introduced a lot of discussions like older women being moms, new family dynamics, adjusting to a new family life and to a new partner, etc!! I think it was more than her being pregnant
What really annoyed me about Eric was that Adam tried so, SO hard to communicate better and try to be more open (like going to ms sands for help after school and genuinely caring about his education and relationships) and Eric did NOTHING. he got defensive over the smallest of things and didn’t try to reach out and see that Adam was struggling. What really stood out was the scene before Adam and Eric actually had sex bc Adam reached out, took measures to thoughtfully communicate to Eric (by turning around), and got his point across. If Eric had just waited a little in the woods and not just ran away, the entire problem could be solved. It’s all miscommunication which is the worse way to create drama in romantic scenes
ahhh i love s education! the tv series we deserved! it never ceases to amaze me how much this show has helped so many people. knowing that this series has inspired many to go to therapy and become more understanding and in love with themselves and others really warms my heart. hope y'all are/will be safe, happy, the real you & appreciated!
honestly i’m so over Maeve and Otis at this point, when they finally got that kiss i wasn’t even hyped, they dragged it for waaaay too long, they even got them with different people i mean what’s the point anymore? it was great in the first season cuz you know, you don’t always get your dream girl this fast, but then they added so much stuff it was difficult to keep up
not a fan of how 99% of cal's plot points and scenes were simply about the fact that they're nonbinary. they could've talked about so much more than just that. it was great representation, but that's the problem. cal wasn't a character, just a representation.
and i still feel like i dont understand nonbinary. For example, the principal said Cal doesn't have to wear a skirt, just dont wear loose fitting pants. This is still a problem for Cal and she still protests against the principal over this??? I think that was a very reasonable solution. How is it that glamour queen Ruby can abide by the school rules, but Cal is so special and has to be a rebel, and Hope is in the wrong for being flexible?
@@Ray03595 I think it is about people seeing their feminine features. "Adjusted" pants would not have hidden that and it would have caused them a lot of distress. A lot more than just not being able to wear cool clothes like Ruby does.
bit of a dumptruck of a thought but- i think the whole point of the show is to see how in life, we all make mistakes or we're all capable of doing crappy things, and how not everyone is painted as a ''hero'' or a 'villain'' solely because of the things they've done in their life so far. and so we get so many moments that throw us off (like ruby and otis's "i love you"-"that's nice" situation, or the, in my view, unexpected fertility problem that hope has, or in s2, jean's pregnancy) and that's because that's what happens when you live, nobody can be perfect or live a life that they were expecting, and in everyone's case, no matter how long they've lived, people still learn. so the show has all of those unsatisfying relationship dynamics, like how eric, who's out, grows so impatient with adam, who's closeted. it's because they're young, and they sho'nuff not gonna be perfect. in my opinion that's what makes the realism for me, because life as a teenager (or just as a human in general) sometimes you make the stupidest decisions. and yeah to be fair, hope's headmaster biz at moordale was veeeeery dramatised and got me thinking at the humiliation scene "that's literally a crime???" but because i defend sex education with my LIFE and SOUL i think it just made it way more fun to watch, the realism in that department didn't phase me much, it's just nice to use ur fav tv series as escapism, and that's exactly what the world in sex education is, because it's like all the best and the worst and the over-dramatic parts of school melted together
Unpopular opinion but I don't think Adam and Ruby got done dirty. They had a lot of issues and had a lot of growth but that doesn't mean they were owed relationships. The fact that Otis wants deep connections is not toxic, it is not his fault Ruby has never had one and so falls hard when she experiences something like this. And he does his best to be honest with her when he realises he doesn't feel the same way. With Eric it's shit that he cheats but it's also understandable that he doesn't want to wait for Adam to fix his anger issues and fully step out of the closet (cause let's face it, there is no indication these things are SOLVED). Romantic relationships shouldn't be prizes for personal growth and the fact that Ruby and Adam grew is something that will benefit them in the end, despite the break-ups.
Overall this series seemed disjointed in parts and not as good as the other 2. There were too many plot lines started and not comprehensively developed. Lilly's alien weirdness getting time priority over Ola's life upheaval and trauma. Both story lines weren't completed fully and a bit rushed at the end - bit insensitive when you're talking about major teenage issues. Otis being Lily's friend at the end and her saviour?! It seemed as if they had too many writers working on separate story lines with poor coordination between them. Less in this case would have definitely felt more.
i feel like this season was focusing more on the secondary characters but there was just too many plotlines for it to come together in a satisfying way.
For me, the most toxic trait of Eric this season was him pressuring Adam to have sex and being pissed just because he wanted to take it a little slowly
I disagree that Eric and Otis were wrong, or that they're just mean and heartless. I understand how much Ruby and Adam evolved this season and thus everyone wants them to be happy, they deserve it, but Otis and Eric also deserve to be able to be themselves. Otis didn't love Ruby, but being caught up in the friends with benefits situation, decided to try and see if a relationshio can work. She got attached real quick, whereas he was still not over Maeve. That's just how it was, it isn't his fault, he tried. In that situation, it would have been wrong for Otis to say I love you back. He did the right thing, following what he felt. The same with Eric, although not that straightforward. He finally felt that 2 huge parts of his identity can actually worj together, while all his life he considered them incompatible. He was able to finally feel free to be himself, while with Adam he still has to walk with baby steps. Although yeah, if he actually loves Adam he could support him in that journey. So I hope Adam and Eric can work things out, while Otis should be with Maeve, because they both are really really in love with each other
Ruby wanted to slow it down but Otis didn't let her. He pressured her into allowing him to meet her dad. That is a big step to make someone take if you aren't in love with them. And it might be manipulative too considering it's Otis. Plus he wasn't over Maeve
i def felt like the weakest plot in the season was hope's... everything. her openly humiliating students and doing everything in her power to abuse and exploit the poc and lgbt characters in the show gave me the ick. i hated how they tried to half ass redeem her by the end. it felt really forced and gross that i was then meant to sympathize with the sociopathic opportunistic racist terf just bc she couldnt have kids lmao. like, thats literally a blessing. she doesnt need them
@@erin8432 precisely! like maeve and otis were both literally way more of a thorn in her side than any of the rest of the students she went after, and the worst thing either of them got was kicked out of the abstinence class. it was 100% intentional imo. especially with her treatment of cal
Oh yeah, I swear at one point she claims that Cal’s gender identity had nothing to with why she treated them the way she did, and it’s obviously such bullshit
Can we also talk about how toxic Eric was when Adam said this wasn't what he wanted. He got so mad at him and walked away, left a bad taste in my mouth.
the best scene is the second to last episode where hope and ruby are fighting in the tech room and you can hear adam say "i like boys and girls and im trying to be proud of it" or sumn 😭
I hate how they made Eric not care about Adam's process of coming out. He said during the breakup that if felt like he was "just learning to walk" but it's like...what did you expect? As you said, before they started dating he was with someone comfortable with their sexuality but that didn't stop him from choosing Adam. It's so cruel how all the weight is on him now and i really hope that Rahim can be a good friend (not boyfriend, let the gays be just friends) to Adam in season 4 and help him get more comfortable with who he is. Never thought we would get to this point, but Adam needs someone better. It's such a shame how he got so hurt seeing that being with Eric was his first queer experience and now he doesn't seem supportive of Adam's growth at all
I did have a teacher that became kind of abusive towards some students and seeing the way Hope started to act and the things she started to do reminded me of him, but in no way that was right and luckily the teacher was fired just as Hope
Your Eric rant was on point. One thing I will say is I don't believe Adam was in the closet. Everyone knew they were together except his mum. That's why the holding hands gesture in s2 was symbolic that he is not ashamed.People in the closet don't hold hands with his bf in public and declare his feelings on stage infront of his father and the entire school. Adam is just an introvert and maybe he doesn't like to go to clubs and makeup ain't his thing. Eric putting makeup on him was a fun dare I say being silly together. I hate that story aspect, that he is ashamed because he doesn't wanna do stereotypical gay stuff. They literally didn't show me as an viewer Adam being ashamed and toxic to Eric for me to make sense of Eric's dumb excuse for cheating and breaking up with Adam.
Can I just say, as an English person, that the Headteachers definitely do not shame students for anything we don't live in some dystopian Roald Dahl Matilda-style world where that's okay.
Waw, 6 minutes in you really opened a door for me, about relationships between 'genuine, deep-connection' people and people who fend themselves off that and arent used to it! Mind blown, this explains lots. Thanks!
i was disappointed by how little ola and adam moments were honestly, their friendship was super sweet last season
I felt robbed of that friendship. Eric and Otis, Maeve and Aimee and even Jackson and Viv all had their friendship worked on. And Adam and Ola had what? Two scenes together if I remember correct, and one of them were very "tell and not show" (when Otis and Ruby's relationship gets out).
Even Viv and Jackson had very few good scenes it was disappointing cause they were so developed last season
Would be cute if they also went on double/triple date Adam with Eric a Ola with Lily.
At least their interaction in this season was cute
actually i felt like ola and lily had a very few scenes??? idky
Ruby and Adams character development, if anyone would've told me i'd like these two i won't have believed it
Me neither, but they succeeded! I also felt the same way about Mr Groff, and never thought that I'd pity him in a million years!
so happy they took centre stage in series 3, they were honestly amazing !!
Not alone like them, but have them turn into your favourite characters 😂
Exactly!!
The truest MVPs because I don’t think it possible. There are things I didn’t like about them (that’s still a little true), but now I’m genuinely rooting for them, they had some great moments.💜
Also Viv really disappointed me when she just threw Jackson under the bus so easily because yes, she does want to get ahead but last season she made it clear that she and Jackson were endgame friendship wise
THIS PART
right they completed abandoned their friendship this season
@@amariajoseph9216 did you completely finish season 3?
Eric has had two boyfriends, yet he's cheated on both of them. I never thought I'd say this, but Adam deserves much better!
Honestly, Eric has had some questionable choices recently, but I still love him because he’s Eric ✨
Yeah this season really turned around my thoughts on Eric. He was one of my favourite characters
I hope they address this in S4, the fact that he's cheated twice now.
unrelated to the comment but are you everywhere? i feel like i always see your pfp in comment sections lol
He’s one of those people who makes for a better friend than bf
I can't stress enough how authentic the Eric in Nigeria episode was. As a Ghanaian but born/raised in Canada, it was literally the first time seeing a western show accurately depict West Africa so well, from the African music in the episode, the scenes of the streets, and him just genuinely being excited to go visit (as opposed to thinking it would be a backwards place). I loved it but just didn't like that he cheated lol.
Also when he dropped his bike when Otis said his response to Ruby was "that's nice" had me dying 😂
Yeah but the accents were whack😂😂
That episode made me so happy, but Eric's mom's accent had me gagging😂it was so fake, apart from that I loved the authentic West African representation.
@@globisdead accents were the least of our problems
Terrible accents but as a Ghanaian , I was happy to see the big wedding and the aunties speaking their native Yoruba language ! And happy to hear afrobeats !
Also very realistic portrayal of how unnoticable ya gotta be if you're lgbtq, i really resonated when eric said; i dont wanna pretend anymore
What I love about sex ed is that it lets minorities be kinda shitty people without generalising about whole groups, if that makes sense? Like Isaac does some not great things in his relationship with Maeve, and Eric and Ruby treat people badly at points, but it’s very clear that their actions don’t reflect all disabled people, all queer people, all people of colour, all women etc. Sometimes you just get stereotypical bad representation, and sometimes the minority characters are all perfect, but sex ed lets them be multifaceted human beings capable of being both good and bad
^^^!!
Ruby is poc 😀?
This comment 👏👏👏👏
@@peridotspod i don't think so, she's white
No. Especially for Isaac. It's still bad representation as he is the only disabled character.
With Black students it's different, cause while we have Eric and Viv do shitty things, we also have Cal and Jackson as the better characters. Isaac is the only disabled character and was painted a villain from the start
I feel like Adams Dad had some good character development as well this season. I was so happy to see him stand up to his big brother. Hopefully next season we'll see him try to repair his relationship with Adam.
yeah but i still dont like him respectfully >:(
Yes, I need him to work on his relationship with Adam! Break the pattern of generational trauma! Could help Adam so much 😩.
I agree but he should have reached out to Adam first, instead of his wife. Adam NEEDS him, the wife doesn’t. I hate how he sees his relationship with his son as the last thing on his itinerary.
He should prioritize fixing things with Adam, because I feel like in the end, once his wife sees how much he improved his relationship with their son, she most likely will take him back. It also looks so wrong how all the times he visited the house after the separation, he never once spoke to Adam.
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@@thebadpolarbear but then again I get why he is like that because remember they had flashbacks of his childhood and there’s a saying hut people hurt people so it’s gonna take him some time
@@xoxarily yes! This is what annoyed me so much. He never reached out to Adam and even when his wife rejected dinner with him he should have invited Adam over.
My problem with Eric this season is that he kept picking fights with Adam and making up issues that weren’t there. He never tried to communicate with Adam, and whenever Adam showed an emotion he didn’t particularly like, Eric made Adam think he was picking a fight. That’s so messed up. And then to cheat and make Adam think it’s his fault because he’s not “gay enough”….idk. i just didn’t recognize Eric this season and that sucked. I don’t know why the writers did that? It was giving biphobic lol. Also, I’m sorry but Maeve and Otis are FORCED!!!! And i won’t apologize 🤣
Lowkey liked Otis with Ruby😶🌫️
The part about Eric and Adam 👌👌👌
Otis and Maeve are definitely not forced they balance eachother out and have a deep emotional connection I think people only feel this way because of the relationship that was shown with Otis and ruby if you even want to call it that they were only dating a week and suddenly she's in love with him lol but Otis and Maeve were friends for a year and have went through a lot together
Yes!! And every time they fought about something Adam did his best to change and grow in the direction Eric wanted. Eric had the exact same struggles season 1 and still can’t see how it could be difficult for Adam to immediately be as comfortable as he is?
about Maeve and Otis YESS. by season 2 episode 1 I didn’t want them together at all, and every time* the show did the will they won’t they thing I got annoyed, cause I felt nothing between them anymore
the issue I had with Eric this season stemmed mostly from his inability to see anything beyond his expectations. everything NEEDS to be sparkly and rainbow-bright, and if things aren’t living up to his dream romance he takes it soo personally, then gets defensive. like the woods scene pissed me off, if Eric had took even a moment to pay attention to Adam’s feelings, he would’ve realized that he was uncomfortable not with having sex with because he was a guy, but because he was just not ready to express his needs. also, guilting someone because they won’t have sex with you, when you want it, is a shitty thing to do.
ALSO when Adam thinks Eric doesn’t what to do it anymore, have you seen his super supportive face. He looks like he’s completely okay with waiting and not doing it, and then seconds later, roles switch and Eric just rages out. Wtf….
Eric has spent most of his former years getting bullied. He put a lot of work into developing his self-confidence. I think it's fine for him to set expectations for what he wants out of a relationship also he's a teenager. It's perfectly healthy and realistic for him to change his mind. Rahim was a little too cerebral for him, while Adam has a lot of personal growth to do that maybe Eric does want to involve himself with.
@@demeliou3844 that's what's I'm saying. Everyone is treating Eric like this horrible person when he is trying to figure things out for himself. Yes it was wrong for Eric to kiss that guy, but it was the first time he felt liberated since coming out. He doesn't regret it because he now knows what he wants in a relationship
Yeah well but that’s what I love about this series, everyone has flaws and that’s perfectly normal for teenagers! They’re awkward, don’t know what they’re doing, and definitely not the most selfless creatures in the universe and this series captures it well. Anyway, taking the ADAM and RAHIM train!!! Poo based relationship!!
@@cheyennecharles9631 I think Eric struggling with feeling back in the closet is perfectly valid, and he's in no obligation to stay in the relationship (although to be fair, he did know it would be like that beforehand, as pointed out in the video). However he has now cheated on two partners, and seemingly doesn't really care much.
After Otis had his chat with Ruby and they broke up, he felt like garbage for hurting her. And in the end, all Otis did wrong was be honest about his lack of romantic feelings towards her. But Eric cheated on Adam and then dumped him, and the next time we see him he's dancing around his room in a great mood. I can understand feeling happy now he feels less trapped in a restrictive relationship, but the way it's presented it really comes off like he couldn't care less about how he hurt Adam.
Ngl, I kinda teared up during the scene where mr. Groff is making his salad😭I really appreciated seeing him not be so cold and stern. I loved Adam and Ruby’s character development. Eric needs to sit with himself before getting into anymore relationships, I still love him..just not as much this season. Maeve has always kinda been in the middle for me, I’m not super in love with her character. Otis is okay as well lol. The scene where Rahim throws shit out the window had me dying for an hour😭😭another favorite scene of mine.
That scene was hilarious ☠️☠️like bruhhh he mustn’t have shat or drank water for eons
i literally had tears streaming down my face from how hard i laughed at that entire bus sequence. from jackson and cal freaking rahim out to when jackson calls himself a tube, i had to rewind like 10 times LMFAO i couldnt handle it
I actually really felt so much for Mr Groff
This season was really an emotional rollercoaster. Like who would’ve thought I’d cry for Ruby of all people???
Bro same for Adam
I agree that Jean getting pregnant was a little random and unnecessary. I do like how they showed the bias towards aging women who are pregnant. For example that doctor who was doing her ultrasound was a total douche and that happens all the time!!
Hum yeah but the scene in which she fights with the doctor makes her look like the stereotypical hysterical pregnant woman... It is good they showed us this side of sexism, but in this precise scene the audience is clearly supposed to feel like Jean is being over the top because of the hormones. So... hated that lol
@@mariannestrgzr9374 what???
I saw it as other people thinking that.
@@Aisha_Luv The way the scene is made (cinematography, her acting, etc...) is really supposed to be a comical moment of Jean "losing it". When she says "oh yes another cishet white male!" it was really pictured as ridiculous, I'm surprised that only few people picked up on that, that made me so mad
It was not random. At the end of season 2 jean found out that she was pregnant. Re watch the last eps of s2
i loved when she was like "oh yeah just ignore the pregnant woman and listen to the straight white man!"
NOOOOOOOOO!!!! let’s just have adam and rahim be really good gay besties. i would hate to have them get together just bc they’re gay. like let’s break the stigma of all gays getting with each other and that they can’t just be friends. lol. let’s just have them stay friends
edit: adam is bi!! sorry!! i wasn’t trying to erase that!
Adam is bi
YEAH its like gay people cant be friends anymore
adam is bi, please no bi erasure!!!!!!!
@@misojimo2154 whats wrong with using the term bi nowadays? it is like you can't even use gay as an umbrella term anymore smh
I actually would like to see that. Like I don't think I've ever seen a show besides Will & Grace have 2 gay guys just be friends and not want to end up with each other.
I love the fact that Otis and Eric are friends and there is like no pining for them to be interested in each other. Nice to see a show with a straight guy with an openly gay best friend and they're just besties.
I wish more folks talked about Ola and how she has many one sided relationships especially romantically. Lilly, didn’t care enough to ailllrt her or even remotely listen to anything ola had going on. Ola always listened and endured a lot from Lily but that’s never addressed. Ola was expected and is expected to constantly shelter and be receptive to everyone else around her. I wish they would have showed or highlighted better the kind of weight and depression that can cause someone. She was many peoples emotional dump truck including her own relationship and that never even improved by the end of the season in terms of her romantic relationship.
Definitely feel they left Ola hanging in this series. Her plot line of loss and traumatic changes were done in bits n pieces and usually via other characters. I felt there were too many plot lines going on, so she got shafted down the list. Lily's alien weirdness got a lot more airplay and attention than Ola's life being overturned.
Ikr! I was so pissed at Lily this season. Ola kept trying to talk to her about how she felt emotionally about her mom, and Lily kept talking over her about alien sightings. Love for your partner, imo, shouldn’t be based upon whether or not they believe the same conspiracy theories as you and her anger about Ola wanting to try having sex without role play was so uncalled for. Lily acted like a total victim the whole time and only briefly acknowledged that she was not being a very good girlfriend because she ignored Ola trying to open up to her. Obviously what happened to Lily with the shaming was terrible, but she acted like Ola was the only one in the wrong for most of the season. Ola’s dad also sucked. I wish they expanded more on Ola and had a proper support for her instead of just trying to show it being resolved with a hug from dad and an alien sighting.
yeah i dont like Lily's character. and I was kind of happy when she almost gave up the alien stuff. It is ridiculous, and I dont think it's realistic that Ola could stand to be around Lily. Like, what do they talk about. Because Ola doesn't care about aliens and that is all Lily talks about. I'm confused why they were ever a thing. Ola is very much a realist, and very matter of fact, and I'd think she'd go crazy being with someone like Lily.
I mean, there’s probably going to be another season
lily was annoying to me tbh
Am I the only one who thinks that Maeve's character has matured so much that it does not make sense anymore to force the OG ship Maeve/Otis?
i honestly have to agree. i love the idea of maeve and otis ending up together but we could see that maeve had really moved on; her scenes with isaac were really sweet
i honestly thought that i was gonna love maeve and otis' first kiss scene but it just ended up being too forced if that makes sense
@@ctrlshiftniall5877 I love Maeve’s personal arc. From troubled young teen to a wise young woman to think she also has to deal with her messed up family. She definitely has come a long way but she also outgrew Otis imo.
I feel you. I really thought that if they Kiss maybe it will make me want to see Maeve/Otis again but it didn’t. It felt forced and how convenient it is that both of them were left behind by the bus just for the kissing scene to happen. Also, the Otis/Ruby pairing is much more relatable and refreshing to see in a tv series, wherein the Maeve/Otis seems like a fairytale already.
@@alcoholbodyspray4811 ngl Otis and ruby was a big refresher to the series and made me want to see what was gonna happen next but then like I thought, otis and Maeve some how get left together. Felt so forced realy bummed me out for the rest of season 3.
Otis is still so immature. Ruby is growing so much too. Maeve has kind of grown already. she's developed friendships with Issac, Aimee, Otis, she's a good sister, good daughter. She's not a loner anymore.... she's just so past pining after Otis, who still treats his mother like total shit. I agree, the characters have gone down different paths and I think Maeve would be better with someone more mature than Otis' character now.
I can’t believe Viv would immediately turn on her ONLY FRIEND. Like why???
Now Eric.. I totally get Eric not really wanting to be in a relationship with a closeted guy. That sucks. But Adam loved Eric soooooooo much and was consistently doing his best.And he KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO EXACTLY!!!
See but Adam came out at school pretty early on in the season and got over his initial aggression and fear of classmates knowing; it was literally just his parents that he was scared to come out to, and you can’t really blame him considering what how his dad treated him
@@erin8432 that’s SUCH A GOOD POINT!! Thinking a guy with deep internalised homophobia who JUST came out will immediately come with you to gay clubs is so unrealistic.
It's not a matter of Eric's expectation for Adam being twisted, it's that over the course of the season Eric gradually began to realise what it was that HE wanted, and that he and Adam just were not a good match. Which they weren't. I thought they were a bad match from the very beginning. Yes, cheating is bad of course, but I'm not a fan of this new narrative that's sprung up where Eric is this manipulative, pressuring POS. He's eighteen. He changes, very quickly, like eighteen-year-olds do, and also quickly understands that this relationship is just gonna hold both of them back.
i was SO confused by... literally everything to do with Hope. like the weird infertility storyline seemed to exist ENTIRELY to create some sort of circumstance for her and Otis to have a conversation. maybe it was to try and humanize her but it felt so forced and unnatural and kind of insensitive to use infertility as a plot device. also her wardrobe choices were so confusing. prison jumpsuit but make it fashion
LMAOO NOT THE PRISON SUIT
@I have no personality outside my sexuality that is real smart what is your major i wouldve never thought of that but it makes so much sense
I thought it was a really great example of how conservative ideology doesn’t just affect more liberal people or people who don’t conform, but actually affects the people ascribed to that ideology. Hope literally defines her worth by her ability to have children, when, in reality, women are so much more than that.
She was so controlling at the school because she was being paid to so she could afford her IVF.
Her failure to conceive storyline was to represent the lack of control she had on her life which is why she was so controlling in her work.
I think It was a really good plot point. She can't control one of the most important aspects of her Life (at least It's really important to her). SHE'S a control freak, because she feels vulnerable and incapable. It's actually a really good take at how insecurity can breed draconian control.
This show really goes Up to show why people are how they are, even bad people like groff or Hope, but It gets Away from the awfull sad story= redemption. Hope is a terrible person, no Matter what curcumstances moved her to where she IS and groff needs to actively mend his ways. He has our simpathy, but not our forgiveness. He absolutely massacred his kid.
"It's the fact that he didn't care" EXACTLY. I understand if he doesn't want to be with adam, that's fine, but the way he broke up with him was so cruel and insensitive. First he cheats, and then he has the audacity to say he doesn't regret it? Sorry but ur trashhh. I was shocked to see how little it affected him because I honestly thought he had developed a lot of love for adam.
It sucks cause Eric is a good friend (and rlly funny) but he's a shitty boyfriend. Poor adam tried so hard and made so much progress. They weren't even on bad terms when Eric left
eric even said i love you to adamm
@@amirhossain4521 I knowwwwwww I felt so bad when adam was crying and eric just looked at him like it was a casual tuesday. That's not love
I agree with you it was so harsh. Now Eric’s really got this reputation of cheating, would have never expected it. And we had just learned to love Adam. I’m upset.
The only grace I give Eric is being young and dumb and selfish. It’s not okay, at alll, but I think it’s true sometimes when your finding yourself you can step on people’s toes.
I wish we’d seen more of him and Otis, hashing things out, asking and giving advice, but where would the drama be if they let them be rational.
tbh ever since the start of the first season eric always pegged me as someone who didn’t do committed relationships, and from what i’ve seen these few seasons is that i’m right-
IKR??? Like I get that the kiss felt good but what does he mean by he wouldn’t take it back? Cheating is a hobby for you? I hope he doesn’t get away without consequences of such horrible behaviors.
One thing this show does right is to give depth to previously detestable characters. I never expected to feel sorry for Ruby, but she got her heart broken by Otis, whom she genuinely loved. She also finally showed Anwar and Olivia where she lived.
honestly love her for that
I really don't think that she genuinely loved Otis tho he's just the first person that she was emotionally vulnerable with so she thinks it's love but it's just a genuine emotional connection I mean she doesn't even know Otis they were dating a week went on one actual date at that point and were just having casual sex before that so I think she needs to calm down a bit
@@tehronmoment1367 I agree with you that what Ruby felt for Otis was not necessarily love but I feel like in life you don’t come to that conclusion until some time has passed and you’ve grown and matured a bit so I can’t completely dismiss Ruby’s feelings personally
i never expected to cry over ruby either. it was amazing seeing her growth. when she showed otis her home and otis helped her with her dad and stuff. it was her first time being able to be vulnerable and like, be herself around somebody from outside of her family i guess. and i was touched when anwar and olivia showed up to her home and they didn't judge her home situation or anything. i was also heartbroken when ruby was rejected by otis. i really hope we see ruby a lot again next season and she gets to be happier
@@misojimo2154 Otis did not reject Ruby.. he just said he liked her... not love yet
Also Eric getting mad at Adam for telling him that he doesn't want to have sex??? That was uncomfortable....
True, if a guy had to do that to a girl their would be uproar. It wouldn't have been even written coz it's that bad.
Literally!
What I don't see anybody talking about is how Eric handled the situation on the meadow where him and Adam wanted to have their first time. When Adam - badly - tried to communicate that he didn't want it a certain way Eric didn't let him finish and assumed that Adam did not want to have sex, reacting by screaming at him and instantly leaving. That really rubbed me the wrong way - even tho Eric misunderstood the situation, I can't be the only one who finds his behavior sexually pressuring? So what IF Adam tried to tell him he wasn't ready yet and Eric shamed him like that?
EXACTLY! Even if he was saying that he wasn’t ready in general for sex, that’s completely fine! It’s his choice, AND ALSO it says nothing about whether he’s actually gay or not! Shows how little he trusted him that he immediately assumed it was because he was uncomfortable with having sex with a guy. (Edit: I know he’s bi oops)
Yes!! That was the worst thing he did imo. It felt very odd given his usual knowledgeable character, and I wish they addressed how wrong of a reaction it was. I feel like we didn’t really see his love or respect for Adam this season. He was happy around him sometimes, but he no longer accepted him for who he was
For me even the location was not it. Why on earth would he want to have sex OUTSIDE ???!!
And he was so self-contradictory, one minute he's willing to listen, then next he won't hear it? Argh he pissed me off.
I feel like Eric just didnt like their relationship and they tried to show that? Maybe he's supposed to stIll not be over Adam bullying him and thus assumes the worst about him all the time? Idk, really shitty of him to cheat doe but i feel like their relationship just didn't work for them
@@saggichoklad it’s literally shown that the reason Eric breaks up with Adam is because Adam’s “not gay enough”. Yeah Eric was awful this season.
I watch the series with my dad
And the part when Maeve and Amy said that from now on they would be the mother of each other, he screamed "THAT'S FRIENDSHIP, BE TOGETHER ON THE GOOD AND THE BAD", then went on to say that it doesn't matter if you know them since childhood, college, work, etc., if you find comfort and mutual support with that person, it's the person who deserves your friendship
That's so wholesome.
It seems kind of inappropriate show to watch with your dad but to off
@@xxxsnippzzxxx9355 Why is that inappropriate? Unless they are under the age description, I think it's actually favorable to be able to watch this comfortably with your parents. That way you can discuss some of the topics of the show.
@@davledav Amen!
i like the part in the end where otis talks to jean about his genuine interest in therapy ,,, [ i like how prominent therapy is in the entire show in general, and how normalized it is !!! ] it was a very heartwarming scene, especially in jean's point of view because she looked so genuinely proud of otis
I MISSED VIV AND JACKSONS FRIENDSHIP I feel like Cal kinda replaced their friendship and I absolutely LOVE Cal but I feel like they could’ve kept both an amazing new character and an amazing friendship from last season that honestly inspired and did so much for ppl (me included). All their scenes were either them fighting, or the focus was on Cal and Jackson. Viv was barely in it and honestly kinda changed…that made me sad bc I loved her last season. Anyone feel the same?
You must be American and biased because cal was not loved in the UK and Ireland. They didn’t try to do anything with their character, instead they just focused on representation which is really disrespectful
I mean it makes sense that viv would be kinda ealous of their friendship and combined with the working your way up the system vs fight the system attitude it felt logical that they didnt get along that much. But i really loved when they came together in the end
@@raindropsonroses3919 I am American haha but yeah now that you say that I agree. I was just talking about Viv and Jackson bc I missed them this season, but I do see the problems with how Cal was portrayed that is a separate issue. I do think there were a lot of good elements of their character but yes they could’ve done better. Regardless, I was just saying I miss Jackson and Viv’s friendship and the sweet purity of it. Their friendship is up there with Maeve and Amy’s in my opinion and it sucked that they were barely shown this season.
@@raindropsonroses3919 tbh Cal was a *very* typical American character, and that's precisely why I disliked them so much
You’re not alone at all! When they weren’t disagreeing quickly in the corridor, they only came together near the end. I would have loved to see them studying together, or all hanging out with Eugene and Cal. I think all the friendships suffered for relationships this season
It kinda felt like they wrote of Hope as the generic “I’m a mean lady because I’m having trouble having children” trope and I didn’t like that…like I feel like they could have humanized her in SO MANY other ways.
she is mean bcs she is a terf and the infertility plotline was to humanise her
@@vaishvi1762 i thought this too
(and she racist)
I think she her harshness comes from a different place:
1. She grew up in a different time where what was permissible in schools was different and there were certain expectations of students. Even when Groff was headmaster, he was not ok with what the students were doing and was trying to put a stop to it. Remember too, there were different thoughts on how sex and sexuality should be approached when she was growing up. And quite frankly, very rarely are students' concerns treated seriously, at any level. Sure, there may be a forum here and there to pacify the masses, but very rarely does anything come of it. This mentality is further displayed in her interactions with Maeve, specifically with how willing she was to support Maeve in the gifted and talented program. In the past, schools have been regarded as only a place of academia, and all other concerns were elementary, which is why she was so focused on creating such a rigidly focused and disciplined atmosphere.
2. The school had also received a lot of bad press (sex school) and she had the board breathing down her neck to make it better. If you notice, she didn't even get to the extreme punishment until the whole incident in France, among other things, which had the board openly threatening her position. That does not excuse her behaviour, but the reality is a lot of educators are backed into a corner by school administration and have to follow their rules or risk losing their jobs. It was even observed on a smaller scale with the "cool" teachers, one even punishing Otis when he spoke out during sex ed class because although he may have agreed with him, he didn't want to lose his job. As unfair as Hope may have been, she was simply the mouthpiece for the school board.
@Uche Nna These were not meant to validate her, merely to explain her and also to show her being mean was not a result of having trouble conceiving. Plus, the situation with the past headmaster was never as dire. Again, not defending her.
So true. I don't know many conservative millennials to be fair, but her character seemed so unrealistic to me. I thought a more nuanced way to go about her character would be that's she is a feminist and mostly "woke" IN THEORY, but still has a lot of internalised shame and is somewhat concerned/jealous of the kids for their sexual liberation seeming so "easy" while hers was and is still a constant struggle despite all appearances. I'm projecting lmao but still...
Yeah, I understand that ultimately the cheating had very little to do with Adam and more to do with Eric reconciling his identity as both gay AND Nigerian. But I definitely do not endorse his treatment of Adam throughout the season, cheating included. If he outgrew that relationship, he should have been mature enough to handle it better than he did. Eric just kept trying to change Adam, pressuring him to wear makeup and come out to his parents, and so basically telling Adam he just wasn't gay "enough" because of how he chose to perform his sexual identity. That is not cool at all.
why did hope want a child so bad IF SHE WAS GOING TO BE TREATING THEM LIKE THAT
Because she doesnt know how to handle a child thats why she disciplines them like that
I saw it more as like, she's been unable to have a child which is something she has no control over, so she sort of when overboard with controlling the school as a means of having something she can control
I swear. Even in the hospital scene with Otis close to the end and she was crying about not even being able to be a mom, I was like you would make a horrible mother. I know that sounds so mean, I still felt bad for her to an extent, but children need to be protected and loved and heard.
@@cadyg2531 they arent children they are adults who misbehave despite being warned....HOPE isnt entirely wrong you just sympathize for the characters because they are the main ones...i bet if it was hope's POV you guys would be cursing at what disrespect the students do to adults
They really rushed Jackson's story with cal. Wanted to see more of him and his parents and also him finding out about Maeve's abortion. We hardly got any scenes of him. I was rooting for him
doubt Maeve’s abortion is gonna come up again they basically brushed it off like “yeah that happened cuz you know she’s an empowered feminist that doesn’t need a men’s consent”
@@ottymatir7143 she was also 17 and could barely afford getting by, i thought it was more a way of showing why abortion is needed and how in some cases the girls can't even think of another way. Maeve wouldn't have realistically trusted Jackson to be involved considering everyone left her already
Honestly, what I love the most is the care writers put in friendships. Romantic relationships are messy just like teen loves usually are but whenever the worst time comes it's all about friendships. Characters grow mostly because of the support of their friends and not because and for the love interest. I think in that way they really departed from typical teen show narratives. Eric is a great friend but a shit boyfriend. Amy treats Steve badly but is Maeve's rock. Otis is just confusing but actually a good friend. And the moment Ruby invited her friends over was such a great one. So, I completely cheer for this shift of "friends I'll die for" instead of that toxic "partner I'll die for".
I like the idea of Rahim and Adam getting together or at least being besties!
i mean they've seen each other at their lowest LOL they're def not going back to being strangers
I don't think Isaac was so caring and kind to Maeve, he was actually super manipulative at some points. The whole deleting the voicemail was really bad, but when he told Maeve he didn't even tell her everything that was important. And honestly, I think Maeve forgave him way too quickly considering she's super feminist. Like, he messed with her life because he wanted to ''protect her'' (read : get with her) and after like a day she wasn't mad anymore. Also, the whole season he kept saying that she shouldn't be with Otis because he doesn't understand her (because he's not poor, or has an addict parent), which also led to Maeve and Aimee having a fight. Telling someone they shouldn't be around people who don't have the same background has them is pretty stupid IMO. But I don't think they were even dating when Motis kissed, so it wasn't really cheating. Basically, Isaac just gets in Maeve's head to get her to like him, that's how I see it.
Honestly, the whole deleting the voicemail shit was super messed up, BUT ! he told her about it willingly (i was afraid she was gonna discover it by another bias), and honestly. So yeah he tried to justify it a bit, and I'm mad she forgave him so easily, but I honestly think he redeemed himself. But not boyfriend material
On the other hand, Otis... acted super manipulative to Maeve last season (and was super mean to her at that party) and they basically never adressed it. Their relationship didn't grow at all this season, it just changed status. I honestly dislike Otis so much now, whereas he was really sweet and relatable at the beginning of the series
agreed fully about Maeve forgiving him too quickly. if someone did that to me, you better believe that person would never hear from me again. i'm out. you don't jsut manipulate somebody's life like that. isaac is not a good person
i thought i was the only one who saw right through all of his blatant manipulation!!! like when he was trying to explain why he deleted the voicemail he was like “i ONLY did it because i care about you” if that isn’t a warning sign i don’t know what is. he was consistently selfish and lied to much about his motives i think he even convinced himself of those lies. really dislike him.
that and the way they tried to make it such a big deal at the end of season 2 only for maeve to forgive him in an instant
completely agree, also he just seemed like some weird random guy that was a little too much older for her like with the full beard and everything. like he wasn't a student..
Maeve didn’t cheat on Isaac. They hooked up, but that didn’t mean they were in a relationship.
Exactly
THANK YOU
The way her most intimate scene this season was with Isaac
Just wanted to add that Adam is bisexual, not gay. Great video!!!
v true! my bad on that
Bi erasure is a real thing. It's so sad. Even when not done on purpose.
@@imuRgency Explored in past seasons, his friendship with Ola, and relationship with Aimee. Don't get why a lot of commenters call him gay. Or is it our society's bi-erasure attempt.
no it's not normal for headteachers in the UK to do stuff like that. in reality, a bunch of 17 year olds would not have put up with her shit for so long without fighting back lmao
Yeah, no head teacher anywhere want to deal with a bunch of angry parents
A lot of them are horrible, but I wish a teacher would have put their hands on me. Lord 💆🏾♀️💆🏾♀️ the whole time I was like see when I have kids, I feel sorry for these teachers, let me hear a single word about disturbing treatment to my children 🥊
I love Eric, and I understand his actions this season to a degree, but his impatience with Adam really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, first of all, Adam was basically out,(the entire school plus his dad knew) his mom was the only person that didn’t know, and I feel like Eric could have tried harder to understand how Adams relationship with his mum was (because Adam is obviously not super close with his parents). Also, Adam is an introvert. He doesn’t go out to clubs and stuff because he’s an introvert. How does one just simply not know anything about the guy they’re dating? And even if Adam wasn’t an introvert, he still might not express his queerness (I say queerness specifically because Adam is bi, not gay) the same way Eric does. The picnic scene almost killed me, truly. What if Adam just changed his mind? What if he just fell out of the mood? What if he really was just nervous to try anal for the first time? Eric shaming him and saying he “wasn’t properly gay” (the boy is bi godamnit!) was way out of line. Like what in the gaslight gatekeep girl boss is this shit? Eric chose Adam, knowing who he was, and it shouldn’t of taken cheating to figure out that he chose wrong (for him that is, I love Adam but they clearly never should have dated).
^The bi erasure was pissing me off so much.
THIS!! Exactly what i was thinking. Like the fact that Adam doesn’t wear makeup and go out to clubs doesn’t mean he’s ashamed or closeted, it just means he’s like this. Eric should accept that. Also, I didnt get when he said he was loosing himself in the breakup. Like what the hell did Adam do to make hum feel like he was loosing himself?? Eric could wear whatever he wants and Adam wouldnt say a thing… i didnt get any of this…
@@alexiar798 oh my gosh right!? Like obviously he doesn’t have to stay in a relationship he doesn’t want to be in, but why was he acting like it was Adams fault somehow for not having an extroverted personality like Eric does? He could have just communicated with Adam and told him he wasn’t happy, but instead he cheated and blamed Adam. Smh
@@dishonourablemention3341 100% agree!! Im so pissed bc I really loved their connection before and even the romantic moments and now I feel like its ruined. Poor Adam he really tried and even came out in front of the whole school and it still wasnt enough…
Exactly what I was thinking. The forest scene pissed me off enormously and then everything Eric said during the breaking up... Wtf seriously. I'm an introvert too, doesn't have anything to do with my certainty in my sexuality. And exactly as you said - he's out to basically everyone except his mother and he has never said that Eric shouldn't be as colourful and loud as he wants to be so the "blame" he was giving Adam made no sense. I agree they shouldn't have dated but Adam really made a huge amount of effort too and Eric just kept flipping out and having no patience. And the excuse that he's a teenager for not having patience? I mean, Otis is a teen too and he seemed quite patient to an extent with Ruby, Eric was so patient with Otis and his problems right at the beginning too. So idk, I'm just angry with Eric for a lot of things and hope he gets reprimanded for it in the next season.
the whole principal being an asshole to the students storyline definitely reminded me of my high school experience because yes, they had so much power over us and would humiliate us for not “following their rules”
I love Eric but i have to agree with you, he did Adam and Rahim dirty.
Eric is a great friend and character but a terrible lover
A UK student here- No, a teacher can’t do that they would be in serious trouble and would be fired. If what happened to Lily EVER happened to me expel me and call my parents and tell what you said but they wouldn’t never accept it.
The way Adam has just been consistently growing since season 1. Ever since the end of season 1 he’s been a personal fave of mine. So far hasn’t disappointed me like every single other character.
Eric ain’t SHIT but otis was right in being honest about his feelings with ruby. It would’ve been worse if he just led her on and they were unfortunately just weren’t on the same wavelength and couldn’t make it work
He really likdd her it would have worked
@@brunomehle9762 yeah but ruby felt love and wanted love back, Otis couldn’t give that back to her at the moment. I agree that they could’ve worked it out but ruby didn’t want to be together and keep giving that relationship her all knowing that Otis didn’t love her.
@@brunomehle9762 So your saying Otis should have LIED in the SLIGHT CHANCE he eventually loves her back?
I think they just needed time. My theory is that Ruby already had a crush on Otis before but only acted on it at the party. That's why she was quick to say I love you while he's just beginning to like her. If they had enough time, it could've worked 😭
Your rant about ERIC - I completely agree.
Honestly, this season made me so mad for Adam watching the way Eric treated him. He constantly got mad at Adam for not being ready to have sex, got mad when Adam wasn’t ready to come out to his mom and was clearly pressuring him to, also got mad at Adam when he didn’t conform to Eric’s idea of queerness, then kissed someone else and made it about his growth as a person and didn’t even seem to care about how it affected Adam. Adam put so much of himself into the relationship and did anything he could to try and make Eric happy yet not once did Eric TRULY appreciate it. If Eric wanted to be with someone already comfortable with themselves then he shouldn’t have even dated Adam in the first place because all he did was probably make Adam hate himself even more.
Yes, exactly. Eric was selfish and in a way that is just inexplicable. The excuse that he's a teenager is a bit ridiculous because he's patient with Otis, he was patient about some things with Adam, Otis was patient with Ruby. And no matter what, patience or not, pressuring someone into sex by getting angry like that is never okay, wtf. The show really dropped the ball on this in my opinion - they should've shown how wrong it was of Eric to do that.
what bothered me most was that adam (and lily) are every neurodivergent and particulary bothered me with eric was that he expected adam to come to him for everything and yes adam did get character development but it would've been better to have a partner that tries to understand the way you comunicte especially when you are already making the efforts to communicate like eric was really giving up on adam at any moment of slight difficulty or when things wouldn't go as he planned
Is eric neorodivergent?
He read as more afraid of his emotions to me
What makes you think that Adam is neurodivergent? His difficulties in school? His communication difficulties? I always read that as a response to the trauma of emotional neglect.
genuinely curious, since I am neurodivergent as well.
I'm thinking about it more and i think i can see Viv's motivation for snatching headgirl. It's really simple. She was just jealous. She saw jackson and Cal getting closer and she saw Jackson standing up for Cal and listening to Cal all the time and she got bitter. She was very passive agressive this season. She did get over it in the end though.
I actually think it's really more about her ambition. She saw Hope as being a way for her to get to achieve a lot of things and she's very ambitious and smart and probably used to not being trusted with a lot of responsibility so when the opportunity came it was very appealing to her. And I think it was very conscious on Hope's side too because she is shown to be really manipulative and she saw right through Viv's ambition and insecurity and vulnerability. I never read Viv as a villain in this season and I thought it was very realistic too because we know that authoritarian figures do draw in vulnerable/insecure people, that doesn't mean those people are bad, they are victims of manipulation and they make some bad choices too it's true but it doesn't make them bad people. Let's remember Viv is supposed to be 17 and impressionable when faced with a confident, charismatic adult in a position of power.
I meaann, i didn't get the vibe that Otis tried to get back with Ruby. It mainly felt like he was just trying to apologize to her for the way things ended. Im honestly glad that he was honest with her about how he felt, otherwise it would have just been him leading her on and probably cheating on her too. I think the way Otis handled the situation was (for the most part) important in terms of being honest with yourself and your partner about how you feel
I STILL MISS THEM THOUGH 😭
but why would you start a relationship with someone you don't love??? And even when you you love someone else, that isn't honest at all
@@ivanahelguera253 he thought Meave hated him and that they would never be together
@@ivanahelguera253 Relationships RARELY start with both parties loving each other
The scene where lilly felt compelled to become more "normal" because of the humiliation she received really broke me because people need to let people enjoy things without labeling it as "cringe".
This is a late reply but same. Especially because my name is Lillian and I’m often called lillie, especially when growing up and I’m potentially autistic, I really relate to her and all the similarities even in our names made it even more personal for me.
One thing I don’t understand about Jean’s pregnancy is, if Jakob had a vasectomy and she slept with other people, why would she think it’s Jakob’s baby? And think that it’s fate with her age and his vasectomy? She also waited MONTHS to tell him, she was so sure. Whole paternity thing is so stupid.
Literally it was crazy. Then (spoiler alert)
Knowing her, she’ll probably lie for majority of the fourth season about who Joy’s father really is. It really sucks that she’s like this in relationships cause in my opinion, she’s a likeable character otherwise.
eric was messy as hell this season, like their relationship from his side didn’t even feel real.
OH MY GOSH THANK YOU!!! I was getting into so many arguments with my friends about how Eric was the WORST this season and they kept talking about how Adam is an abuser and Eric deserved better and was being held to high standards…but Eric legit keeps expecting his partners to be constantly pleasing him and doing what he wants while not communicating well at all. It was also awful how he shamed Adam for not being ready to have sex or come out to his mom.
Last rant: The thing I hated the most was when Eric had the audacity to tell Adam “you’re just learning to walk and I’m ready to fly”!!! I get that he is referring to the fact that Adam isn’t out completely, but Eric is frankly the one who is way more immature. He can’t commit to anyone and has no idea how to communicate his needs in a relationship until after he breaks up with them. He also doesn’t even genuinely apologize to Adam or Rahim, which shows complete emotional immaturity to me.
This is probably my favorite season, also I don't know if it's just me, but this season was so therapeutic. I like how Adam and Ruby were developed. Cal and Vivian are my favorite characters especially Vivian and I am so satisfied with the bi represention and queer relationships.
Honestly I really feel like Eric was giving Adam a hard ass time. Like if you knew you couldn’t handle his “not readiness” than why would you say yes to dating him TF 🤨🤨🤨
He tried to make it work, but he changed his mind and that's okay.
@@demeliou3844 is it? He cheated on Raheem too and embarrassed him in front of the whole school doing it. Also, you'd think this is something that would cross eric's mind considering this also used to be his bully.
i feel like they tried to find reasons to distance viv and jackson because they didn’t know how to bring cal along and make them close to jackson another way. the way cal helped jackson with his anxiety was amazing to me but it was something that viv used to do last season so it felt like the writers didn’t know how to create one close friendship while maintaining another one. maybe i’m reaching but yeah i feel like it was a missed opportunity for a great trio
yeah, seems they had no idea what to do with Jackson's character. I think this dragged down the others. If Cal is going to be a new main character then let us get to know her home life. She only existed to be nonbinary and a love interest. I dont really know much about Cal. I think just having Viv and Jackson together as friends trying to stop the principal could've been more interesting. I dont see what Cal's character really added to the show. Also would've kept the Jackson/Viv friendship going too. They're both better getting along.
And people saying Otis wasn’t wrong... no one is mad that Otis didn’t really Ruby he loved her back the issue was how he went about everything afterward. He was entirely inconsiderate of her feelings and mislead her. He dated her while knowing he was in love with someone else all along and truthfully had no real intentions of of staying with her long term. She was a rebound and he caused her to experience a great deal of shame by letting her show off their relationship/ be public, be emotionally vulnerable, while just wanting to be with someone else all along. She was totally blindsided.
Tbh, The only reason that Otis and Meave are still a thing is because of the unresolved issue. They seem awkward and not at all compatible.
@@RsMt1505 yeah exactly, and they seem super cliche and forced now.. they dont work well together anymore. the story has developed so much since then. otis and ruby being together would work a lot better. maybe maeve with isaac too. but anyway she's going to the states for studying now so we will see how that develops
The writers made a HUGE mistake overextending the tension between Otis and Maeve. We don’t care anymore. Ruby. Is such a complex and adorable character that Maeve has been upstaged…they can not put her down now. The whole fan base is rooting for Ruby…
@@rodrigoolea3268 this is so true. The writer kept pushing and pushing along Maeve and Otis and trying to build the tension to be a 'finally' moment. Now it just feel dry and I much prefer the connect with Ruby.
he wasn't inconsiderate of her feelings. he felt bad for hurting her (remember the scene where his dad tells him he did less hurtful thing). He kept trying to talk to her about it, but she kept pushing him away and ignoring him. I get that she's hurt and hence doesn't wanna talk to him but come on, be an adult. learn to accept rejection.
When he dated her, he wasn't in love w Maeve, or at least, he was getting over her. He didn't have intentions of staying w ruby long term, but I don't think that's such a bad thing, they're just highschool kids. even serious relationships usually start with "oh this isn't gonna be that serious". he could've later formed intentions of staying long term if their rs was working out, but clearly it wasn't.
how is it his fault that she feels ashamed. she was the one who felt ashamed of him cause she's popular and he's not. ruby is just a childish popular girl who can't deal with rejection.
My favourite scene was when Aimee told Maeve that they can call each other Mum 🥺🥺 I swear I cried during that scene
i cried too omg it was so sweet😭
Ugh I love Aimee 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 she’s so funny and a genuine friend. I’ve never heard a show talk about people pleasing (I felt personally attacked) and that convo w Jean hit really deep
I loved this video but I think we should talk more about Mr. Groff. His whole development was amazing and him just discovering himself while the teens lived the dramas was so nice to watch and a perfect parallel between him and Adam. The scene with Michael (Mr Groff) and his brother is in my mind constantly. Build up the courage and self love to stand up for yourself and step on you bully with whom you share the same blood is the hardest achievement someone can obtain.
Honestlyyyyy! Just thinking about what’s gonna happen between Jean and Jakob next season has me stressed!! Love your reviews! 💖
I love Eric but I didn’t like him this season. First of all, why he was getting all mad when Adam was not comfortable being sexual yet? And then have the audacity to cheat. just say you’re selfish and go!
everytime I saw the principal I SCREAMED INSIDE how much she annoyed me….I didn’t know it was even possible
You always give these videos as soon as i finish a show😭 I love it!!! If there’s one thing the show does right, is it gives the characters development! Like Ruby? Who would’ve ever known. I really hope that Eric’s cheating on Adam doesnt regress his development. Adam has been doing so well and I feel like this cheating situation is going to hurt him so badly. I also am happy to see Principal Groff lowkey developing as well. Taking steps to talk to someone and finding something he likes. Seeing his childhood again makes his behavior much more explainable. I’m glad that it doesn’t only focus on the kids either. It shows development is a life long journey and doesn’t end after adolescence.
Although I don’t condone Eric’s behavior (the kiss in Nigeria), I think as a young out person, he wanted to kiss the Nigerian guy knowing that Adam was his bf but knowing he wouldn’t have an opportunity like this again. He found community and people he could be himself with, not hiding, being proud. And I think it was one of those times of “I want to do it because I want this for myself” not necessarily thinking about whether he was hurting Adam or not. He did it because he wanted to experience that and he would have regretted it if he hadn’t. Essentially he got rid of his inhibitions and decided to live in the moment, and I think it’s a great decision he made for himself. Not a great decision he made for his relationship with Adam. Though, in my opinion they needed to break up anyway. Adam needs to figure himself out.
That's why people have self control because by that logic cheating would be okay because most people during their life have opportunities or maybe attracted to someone else other than their partner, but do not act on it because it is immoral and wrong. When you love someone cheating on them is unthinkable. I agree that they needed to break up for Adam to find his identity out of his relationship. Hopefully they will fix the whole Eric and Adam situation in S4.
Yeah I understand why he did it but he still annoyed me, especially the way he broke up with Adam and didn’t even seem bothered by it
I think it is aj interesting contrast. Where Eric definitely isn't ready for a romantic relationship but he feels more and more comfortable in his own skin. But Adam seems ready to put the emotional work in but has a lot of learning to do a out himself.
They are definitely not in the same book anymore but I do wonder if they address Eric's emotional immaturity when it comes to romance. Because he seems to only care about his needs at the moment and doesn't give a damn about his partner in any of these situations.
oof the normalization of cheating as if it’s a freeing choice and not a completely selfish one… kinda scary. like I get where you’re coming from but that’s still a no, two bfs and you can’t be faithful to either? Nah.
@@liz6377 eric definitely has some issues to deal with (re: cheating twice). But my point IS that he is being selfish, I’m not trying to normalize it and I don’t agree with it at all ( I wouldn’t have done that being in his position) I’m just trying to see where his character is coming from. Being a young teen in a country where being gay is punished and being in this space where he can be free of judgment and really taking that in. I support his journey, I do wish he wasn’t hurting Adam while doing it.
As a british viewer in hs, Hope reminded me sm of my teachers literally the other day i had to stand up infront of loads of people and get humiliated for my skirt cause it’s not up to my knees😃
wait, not up to your knees? as in you were wearing it longer and got treated awfully for it?
The whole head teacher thing kinda annoyed me, cause it was so unbelievable. How did no one talk to their parents about this? Like- this wouldn’t happen… there are always parents too involved with their kid’s school, at least they would have known??
Personally I wouldn’t call Otis sick and twisted for breaking up with Ruby. He recognised that he didn’t have the same feelings for her, so he broke it off. The alternative would have been to stay with her and pretend to love her, which helps nobody. Even if Ruby’s new to opening herself up, Otis shouldn’t lie to her. Plus, when he kisses Maeve, it was coincidence that the bus would pull up in front of them, so it’s not like he did it in front of Ruby on purpose.
Shout out to the Eric apologists. Rahim and Adam were stepping stones for him. Bloop. Adam and Rahim would be CUTE.
y’all are SICK LMFAOOO
@@keishlamontes2190 I'm an Eric Apologist boo, that's why I'm giving a shout out to my fam
Ayyy, a fellow Eric apologist! A pleasure to be in your company!
lmao yes
THE FACT THAT OTIIS KEPT WARNING ERIC ABOUT ADAM WHEN IN THE END IT WAS ERIC WHO RUINED THE RELATIONSHIP AND OTIS STILL SAID HE WASNT A BAD PERSON??? LIKE HELLO WHAT WAS GOIN ON IN THEIR HEADS
Honestly Erics character had such a downgrade this season and I am so mad about it... like he was my fav
I could write a whole hour long season analysis on just how shitty a boyfriend Eric was to Adam. He really was a menace. I do still ship it. I always have. I know a lot of people felt like the relationship was toxic from the start because Adam was such a bully but I have always rooted for their relationship and Adam grew so much. Once they were officially in a relationship he was the sweetest boyfriend! Only to have his heart ripped out. :`( He deserved so much more.
I feel like the problem with Eric rn is that they made him have a necessary part of his development during a bad time. Him coming to to his hometown and having to closet but also seeing the beauty of the underground gay scene is something that should've happened BEFORE Adam. That way when he dates Adam and adam goes through his closet almost internally homophobic moments, Eric is brought back to the feeling he has to hide again and then brings up those toxic expectations on a closeted dude. He is a teenager after all and teenagers do be weaponizing those emotions casually for some reason. (Keep the break up even because Adam's shitty poem was so beautiful and heartbreaking.)
In this way, we experience the same beats and drama, WITHOUT making Eric entirely unrecognizable as a character because holy damn did he do a TON of out of character things this season.
As for the NB character, I would've liked to see them outside of just being NB as a character, but besides that they were a great inclusion that should've been around earlier in the story.
Aimee's character is thee best,, omw, couldnt wait for this drop
Great rundown! My thoughts:
1. Ruby needed the character growth. It was great to watch her rejection, because she was used to social acceptance (despite her financial status somehow). I just realised she didn't pop up again after the France episode, but I was fairly satisfied with where they led her.
2. I agree that Adam was done dirty, but like Ruby, he also needed that character growth, although admittedly Adam's journey is tough AF. Love & romance isn't all there is to life, and Adam needs to understand who he is as a person. I didn't like that they broke his heart, but I don't hate it for his character either.
3. I never realised it about Eric, but you hit the nail on the head about him. He was obviously very impatient and pushy with Adam throughout their relationship, and I was amazed that Adam didn't regress and retreat.
4. I thought Maeve had the weakest character growth this season. She basically spent 8 episodes ding-donging between two guys and chasing her mom around. We didn't discover anything new about her character. But I'm excited to see what the US stint does for her, and where that will take her thing with Otis. Now that they're all in the final year, it looks like Netflix is priming for only 1-2 seasons left of the story. Maybe Season 4 with Maeve in the US in parallel with everyone else back home, and Season 5 as graduation nears (or maybe Season 4 as final even)?
5. Otis' mom's arc was about older pregnancies, though they didn't really go deeper into her anxieties. I quite liked that as a change of pace from the major theme of the series. BUT I hated that they failed Joy's paternity test. Like wtf? It completely undid all the progress the blended family made together. I thought that was just some shit-stirring. I would have liked for them to explore the older parenting theme deeper once they bring Joy home. I don't think they've done very much for Otis' mom in general. They could have explored the complicated mother-son relationship deeper, and made it a constant theme throughout (like Leonard's hang-up in TBBT). I know that featuring Jean's other relationships give her more agency as an individual, but I'm really not that interested in the sex life of a 48yo woman - I want to see a sex therapist mending her relationship with son (which they've done in staccatos over the 3 seasons but it feels disjointed overall).
6. Viv's character in general was odd because they've just created her in service to the plot. A mini-antagonist? Here's Viv. Comic relief? Here's Viv. Ex machina to overthrow season's main antagonist? Here's Viv!
Overall, I completely concur that Season 3 was satisfying because they fleshed out a lot of the supporting characters. Unfortunately, I think that's been at the expense of the main characters (come to think of it - wtf has Otis done?? Like Maeve, he'd just been flip-flopping). Am excited to see how they bring everyone's arcs to satisfying conclusions.
Personally, I would LOVE to live in a place like Moordale - cosy, quiet, and calming with lush greens. I would love to have grown up in a house like Otis', and like him be on the threshhold of adulthood, ready to take on the world while knowing there's always a safe haven waiting for me back home.
If my principal tried to publicly shame me, I would simply refuse.
Ok but am i the only one who thought that that """story""" with Rahim throwing a shit outside of a Window was really uncomfortable and hard to watch? Like wtf that was not necessary at all and i feel like they only create that scene to embarass Rahim and "praise" Adam. It was like they are forcing their friendship and it's kinda strange :/. But the scene with the poems was kinda cute ig
omg that was like my favourite episode 💀
Yes that's how headmasters act, they're literally so strict and overly dramatic
And this is coming from a South African, seeing the headmaster on Sex Ed reminder me of some headmasters we have here as well
oh my god
sjoe, i literally felt like i was back in high school & getting scolded myself 🤣
I LOVED Adam's dad journey!! I know so many men that were taught they had to be cold and follow a certain career, and it was beautiful and inspiring to see him finding his passion again after so many years.
Most men are taught to follow certain careers but those careers are not teaching related. Men are told to become mechanical engineers, surgeons, pilots, lawyers etc. Teaching is considered to be a woman's job
I just, I didn't get Eric this season. He felt like a different character from season 1&2. I also just didn't get why I'm was so pissy with Adam and being out. Adam already came out in front of literally the entire school and his father just for Eric. So what if he's nervous about coming out to his mom? Why was he so impatient? Adam was really trying.
And what the fuck was with Maeve this season? Why was it so easy for Isaac to manipulate her? I do not buy that he was a great guy.
Also, Maeve and Otis had so few scenes together, I feel like a lot of the season one chemistry has been lost, and I just don't give a shit about them getting together anymore. They felt really forced this season.
I feel like miss milburn being pregnant introduced a lot of discussions like older women being moms, new family dynamics, adjusting to a new family life and to a new partner, etc!! I think it was more than her being pregnant
What really annoyed me about Eric was that Adam tried so, SO hard to communicate better and try to be more open (like going to ms sands for help after school and genuinely caring about his education and relationships) and Eric did NOTHING. he got defensive over the smallest of things and didn’t try to reach out and see that Adam was struggling. What really stood out was the scene before Adam and Eric actually had sex bc Adam reached out, took measures to thoughtfully communicate to Eric (by turning around), and got his point across. If Eric had just waited a little in the woods and not just ran away, the entire problem could be solved. It’s all miscommunication which is the worse way to create drama in romantic scenes
ahhh i love s education! the tv series we deserved! it never ceases to amaze me how much this show has helped so many people. knowing that this series has inspired many to go to therapy and become more understanding and in love with themselves and others really warms my heart. hope y'all are/will be safe, happy, the real you & appreciated!
honestly i’m so over Maeve and Otis at this point, when they finally got that kiss i wasn’t even hyped, they dragged it for waaaay too long, they even got them with different people i mean what’s the point anymore? it was great in the first season cuz you know, you don’t always get your dream girl this fast, but then they added so much stuff it was difficult to keep up
not a fan of how 99% of cal's plot points and scenes were simply about the fact that they're nonbinary. they could've talked about so much more than just that. it was great representation, but that's the problem. cal wasn't a character, just a representation.
and i still feel like i dont understand nonbinary. For example, the principal said Cal doesn't have to wear a skirt, just dont wear loose fitting pants. This is still a problem for Cal and she still protests against the principal over this??? I think that was a very reasonable solution. How is it that glamour queen Ruby can abide by the school rules, but Cal is so special and has to be a rebel, and Hope is in the wrong for being flexible?
@@Ray03595 Cal is a they and I kind of agree with this point to a great extent. I think Cal took the nonbinary thing a little too far.
@@Ray03595 I think it is about people seeing their feminine features. "Adjusted" pants would not have hidden that and it would have caused them a lot of distress. A lot more than just not being able to wear cool clothes like Ruby does.
bit of a dumptruck of a thought but- i think the whole point of the show is to see how in life, we all make mistakes or we're all capable of doing crappy things, and how not everyone is painted as a ''hero'' or a 'villain'' solely because of the things they've done in their life so far. and so we get so many moments that throw us off (like ruby and otis's "i love you"-"that's nice" situation, or the, in my view, unexpected fertility problem that hope has, or in s2, jean's pregnancy) and that's because that's what happens when you live, nobody can be perfect or live a life that they were expecting, and in everyone's case, no matter how long they've lived, people still learn.
so the show has all of those unsatisfying relationship dynamics, like how eric, who's out, grows so impatient with adam, who's closeted. it's because they're young, and they sho'nuff not gonna be perfect.
in my opinion that's what makes the realism for me, because life as a teenager (or just as a human in general) sometimes you make the stupidest decisions. and yeah to be fair, hope's headmaster biz at moordale was veeeeery dramatised and got me thinking at the humiliation scene "that's literally a crime???" but because i defend sex education with my LIFE and SOUL i think it just made it way more fun to watch, the realism in that department didn't phase me much, it's just nice to use ur fav tv series as escapism,
and that's exactly what the world in sex education is, because it's like all the best and the worst and the over-dramatic parts of school melted together
Tbh I’d be okay if Otis ended with either Ruby or Maeve , I really enjoyed both of their relationships
Unpopular opinion but I don't think Adam and Ruby got done dirty. They had a lot of issues and had a lot of growth but that doesn't mean they were owed relationships. The fact that Otis wants deep connections is not toxic, it is not his fault Ruby has never had one and so falls hard when she experiences something like this. And he does his best to be honest with her when he realises he doesn't feel the same way. With Eric it's shit that he cheats but it's also understandable that he doesn't want to wait for Adam to fix his anger issues and fully step out of the closet (cause let's face it, there is no indication these things are SOLVED). Romantic relationships shouldn't be prizes for personal growth and the fact that Ruby and Adam grew is something that will benefit them in the end, despite the break-ups.
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Completely agree 👍🏾
Overall this series seemed disjointed in parts and not as good as the other 2. There were too many plot lines started and not comprehensively developed. Lilly's alien weirdness getting time priority over Ola's life upheaval and trauma. Both story lines weren't completed fully and a bit rushed at the end - bit insensitive when you're talking about major teenage issues. Otis being Lily's friend at the end and her saviour?! It seemed as if they had too many writers working on separate story lines with poor coordination between them. Less in this case would have definitely felt more.
There was enough material to focus on the characters instead of wasting time with another "evil principal" plot line.
i feel like this season was focusing more on the secondary characters but there was just too many plotlines for it to come together in a satisfying way.
For me, the most toxic trait of Eric this season was him pressuring Adam to have sex and being pissed just because he wanted to take it a little slowly
I think the mavae thing is just an excuse to separate them, I think the next season will start with her coming back
I disagree that Eric and Otis were wrong, or that they're just mean and heartless. I understand how much Ruby and Adam evolved this season and thus everyone wants them to be happy, they deserve it, but Otis and Eric also deserve to be able to be themselves. Otis didn't love Ruby, but being caught up in the friends with benefits situation, decided to try and see if a relationshio can work. She got attached real quick, whereas he was still not over Maeve. That's just how it was, it isn't his fault, he tried. In that situation, it would have been wrong for Otis to say I love you back. He did the right thing, following what he felt. The same with Eric, although not that straightforward. He finally felt that 2 huge parts of his identity can actually worj together, while all his life he considered them incompatible. He was able to finally feel free to be himself, while with Adam he still has to walk with baby steps. Although yeah, if he actually loves Adam he could support him in that journey. So I hope Adam and Eric can work things out, while Otis should be with Maeve, because they both are really really in love with each other
Agreed 100%
Ruby wanted to slow it down but Otis didn't let her. He pressured her into allowing him to meet her dad. That is a big step to make someone take if you aren't in love with them. And it might be manipulative too considering it's Otis. Plus he wasn't over Maeve
But it's wrong to cheat and twice for that matter. He should have broken up with Adam if he wanted to kiss other guys
I love that it sounded like you were talking so much crap about season 3, but then gave it a 9.5/10 bruh
i def felt like the weakest plot in the season was hope's... everything. her openly humiliating students and doing everything in her power to abuse and exploit the poc and lgbt characters in the show gave me the ick. i hated how they tried to half ass redeem her by the end. it felt really forced and gross that i was then meant to sympathize with the sociopathic opportunistic racist terf just bc she couldnt have kids lmao. like, thats literally a blessing. she doesnt need them
Yeah it rubbed me the wrong way when I realised all the characters she publicly humiliated were poc, lgbt or both... it didn’t feel like a coincidence
@@erin8432 precisely! like maeve and otis were both literally way more of a thorn in her side than any of the rest of the students she went after, and the worst thing either of them got was kicked out of the abstinence class. it was 100% intentional imo. especially with her treatment of cal
Oh yeah, I swear at one point she claims that Cal’s gender identity had nothing to with why she treated them the way she did, and it’s obviously such bullshit
I’m glad you touched on how fucked up the public humiliation was. My heart was in pieces watching that scene (specifically Lily).
Can we also talk about how toxic Eric was when Adam said this wasn't what he wanted. He got so mad at him and walked away, left a bad taste in my mouth.
the best scene is the second to last episode where hope and ruby are fighting in the tech room and you can hear adam say "i like boys and girls and im trying to be proud of it" or sumn 😭
I hate how they made Eric not care about Adam's process of coming out. He said during the breakup that if felt like he was "just learning to walk" but it's like...what did you expect? As you said, before they started dating he was with someone comfortable with their sexuality but that didn't stop him from choosing Adam. It's so cruel how all the weight is on him now and i really hope that Rahim can be a good friend (not boyfriend, let the gays be just friends) to Adam in season 4 and help him get more comfortable with who he is. Never thought we would get to this point, but Adam needs someone better. It's such a shame how he got so hurt seeing that being with Eric was his first queer experience and now he doesn't seem supportive of Adam's growth at all
I did have a teacher that became kind of abusive towards some students and seeing the way Hope started to act and the things she started to do reminded me of him, but in no way that was right and luckily the teacher was fired just as Hope
Your Eric rant was on point. One thing I will say is I don't believe Adam was in the closet. Everyone knew they were together except his mum. That's why the holding hands gesture in s2 was symbolic that he is not ashamed.People in the closet don't hold hands with his bf in public and declare his feelings on stage infront of his father and the entire school. Adam is just an introvert and maybe he doesn't like to go to clubs and makeup ain't his thing. Eric putting makeup on him was a fun dare I say being silly together. I hate that story aspect, that he is ashamed because he doesn't wanna do stereotypical gay stuff. They literally didn't show me as an viewer Adam being ashamed and toxic to Eric for me to make sense of Eric's dumb excuse for cheating and breaking up with Adam.
Can I just say, as an English person, that the Headteachers definitely do not shame students for anything we don't live in some dystopian Roald Dahl Matilda-style world where that's okay.
Waw, 6 minutes in you really opened a door for me, about relationships between 'genuine, deep-connection' people and people who fend themselves off that and arent used to it! Mind blown, this explains lots. Thanks!
Eric was lowkey giving biphobic in this season. Adam came out but still wasn't "gay" enough for him. I think he just needs to stay single
Hey!! Always love hearing your views. Have you seen Blood and Water?
watching it now!! :))