+mexbiuri You do realize it was captivity that taught us about these animals and their nature... before that we shot them daily... theres a chance they would either be extinct or severely endangered.. more so then the current rate that they drop like flies. I agree they shouldn't have been taken from the wild but the idea of putting a sterile animal thats never been exposed to the pathogens and toxins of ocean into a contaminated environment is just ridiculous... its like putting a dog you've had for 15 years with all its vet treatments, worming fleaing, vaccines... then just one day taking that all away and sending it off to live in a forest full of disease...
Trust me, that is not the research they do in captivity nor do they do it for your purpose. they do it for wild orca and conservation. You do realize that already this year over 40 orca have died in the wild and many have 'gone missing' we just dont have their bodies to say 100% they are dead. What you see in shows is actually enrichment, stimulation and the bonds we have with animals. Sea worlds orcas are involved 'were' as now they have doomed wild orca because of this very act, researching the nutrients and what other things are passed from mother to calf via milk, how much the calf takes on and then stores into its own blubber. its was only one of about 50 things where were researching but this is key as over 50% wild calves die within their 1-2 year, due to high level of toxins in the oceans. understanding how much of this is passed from mother to calf in wild orca could lead to better conservation methods on how to stop this dramatic death rate of calves but it will never come to be and only 1 mother and calf have been studied, its not enough. Other research done is male to female ratio of birth another thing that will now cease due to activist caling for a breeding ban. Due to chemicals we have dumped in the ocean we have caused a boom of male orca yet dramatically decreased the number of females being born out of the 10 born last year 8 were male, 1 was female and 1 was unknown, the female died btw.. leaving that generation without a female to bred from.. most orca pods are interbreeding because of this effect all over the world, which is added to the high death rate in calves as they are unhealthy and causes even more of a less likely hood for a female. We need to save these animals and as much as people dont like animals in tanks, in cages, in houses. To save their wild counter parts, to make things better for them it, needs to be done. No matter the animal, no matter the size, no matter where.
Keiko survived 5 years in Icelandic/ Norwegian waters , he died 15 months after he got to Norway with pneumonia !FYI pneumonia has killed quite a few orcas at Seaworld ,, at least Keiko actually got to live first!!
Yeah I'm sure that's what Kelko was thinking when he was distraught and slowly dying. "Gee, where did all my human friends go? Guess I'll just die here. Alone."
Actually many other animals have trouble surviving in the wild after being released. Many times they try to return from the ocean, or just die in a few months after being released.
Susan Boyle keiko didn’t actually survive 5 years independently, I’m not sure how long he was living independently with wild orcas but all I know is that it was less than 2 years. Keiko also died alone without any pod cause either he left the pod or the pod didn’t accept him. “At least keiko got to live first” yeah a very sad ending though. But his treatment in captivity wasn’t all that good also. I mostly support seaworld btw
yes, and four of those five years where in a large TANK with seawater, and later a seapen. very different from the ocean. and I'm sure Keiko was ecstatic, as he slowly died, was unable to hunt, and ultimately spent his final year ALONE, most likely wondering where his trainers had gone. Keiko was said to go into what was described as a "depression" after his trainers where forced to leave. he stopped eating and he barely moved for over a week. eventually, they got him functioning again. but I doubt he was to happy. Killer whales are incredibly social. that's something that Anti-Caps shout, "their too social! their pods are artificial!" at least the captive ones HAVE a pod. Keiko didn't. once he was captured, his "pod" was his trainers. then, after public outcry, he was moved AWAY from his pod, and was alone for his final years. that is, I believe, more stressful than his original capture. because Keiko was young when he was captured (2). now, we don't know much about orca memories, but evidence suggests they are similar to human memories. and if somethings happens when you're two years old, you're not going to remember it. he may have had some faint memories, but I sure as fuck know he remembered being taken away from the pool he considered his home, and the people he considered his pod, to be dumped into an environment that he had no idea how to survive in and ultimately killed him at quite a young age. sound familiar?
Lloyd Stuart SeaWorld hasn’t captured a single orca in over 36+ years. SeaWorld didn’t even capture the whales in the first place. It was other companies who later sold the whales to SeaWorld.
.... they don't? America has banned captures and no American or Canadian company has captured an orca in over 30 years. RUSSIA and CHINA however, still do it yearly. but no one gives a fuck about those orcas, in tanks a foot longer than they are, that are covered in scars from violent captures and so underweight they could be lifted by two people. nope. no one cares. all they care about are the well fed, exercised, mentally stable and loved orcas at SeaWorld.
That's depressing that these orcas have never even seen the ocean. They make up the excuse that they've never seen the stuff in the wild. They are so smart and have instincts I'm sure they could figure it out. The whole reasons of Sea pens is so they can get used to it before going in the wild. And if they are never able to go in the wild than atleast they will have a MUCH better enclosure
I agree I saw a video of a orca in captivity vomiting up it's fish to lure birds in to eat them. These are intelligent animals if one orca can figure out how to kill a bird then they can handle the wild.
People can see whales in their own environment, it's called whale watching. They're not expensive and they have a very high success rate with sightings. The only thing you need to worry about on whale watching tours is getting sea sick.
Wesley, is that because one person selling their house and donating it to captive whales will change the world? Will it make everyone else sit up, take notice, and do what's right? No. It will take more than one person.
the austrailians do sea pens all the time for yellow fin tuna in the middle of the ocean and they are huge, so huge that boats drive in them, the challenge here is the money
yes, but those SeaPens are just large, barren oceans full of fish. the fish don't give a shit. they probably don't notice the difference. the fish don't need medical care. the fish have lived in the ocean their whole lives. their immune systems have built up against the diseases and stuff. the orcas haven't. you can't compare a fish to a whale anymore than you can compare a human to a frog.
I feel like they should all be released into sea pens, then research and training they could form an artificial pod, and maybe later on(years) be introduced into the wild. If 'm ever rich I would try to make this happen.
victoria Lolita is old, changing her environment might actually kill her, keiko survived for a few years, he lived in sea waters for 5 years but stop being with human contact for only 2 or less years, the other years were him in a seapen learning to be wild, and he died alone, so even if the technically released the orca properly, they didn’t get to make the orca more sociable to other orcas which is why it’s considered a fail.
Lolita is 50. her mother (L25, Ocean Sun) is the only orca left that witnessed her capture. Female orcas live to be 45-50 on average. Ocean Sun is in her upper 80's, and with Lolita in her earlier fifties, there is literally nothing that could be done before one or both of the orcas die.
ReviewCam except Kasatka was not noted to be doing anything different after she was separated with Takara. And Corky is from A5 pod. Every single orca that was alive during her capture from A5 is now dead. And from all of A pod, only 3 orcas where alive when she was, and since Corky was captured so young, she probably never had met them.
Not true female orcas live longer than males Lolita is prime age recent house check on Lolita clearly shows and proves she's a healthy orca considering captivity she is a definite very well candidate for release to the sea pen prepared for her. If you enjoy captivity or if you are a trainer and feel that Lolita should stay there you are nothing but selfish I'm sorry she deserves freedom she still practices her vocalization dialect same as her family meaning she could communicate with them regardless she's going to die someday she doesn't deserve to die in a tank and everything proves that Lolita is a good candidate for retirement
They are intelligent animals and every animal has a survival instinct. Even domesticated cats that are allowed outside manage to hunt mice and birds even though they are well fed at home. They also manage to navigate their environment and way home and cats have been domesticated for 1000's of years and mostly all of them were born in captivity. It's a joke that people actually believe this garbage that they can't survive in the wild. Look at the videos of the "captive" killer whales killing a pelican during a Sea world show.....they had to put the show on hold and the whales wouldn't listen to the trainer, they were ripping it apart and sharing it. They only spread this bullshit about them not being able to survive to make you doubt that they can live so they can continue to keep them captive and have you feel OK about it. The media and sea world is manipulating the public and pulling on people's gullible heart strings but I garentee you at least half those whales would thrive in the wild given the chance but Sea world won't give up their "meal ticket" that easily. Humans are selfish creatures and most given money and power will do horrible and exploit humans and animals in order to further their financial gain!!
"People can't see them in a sea pen" Its called: Using a BOAT. Duh!!! I'd much rather pay to see Orca living a semi wild life in a huge bay instead of a tiny bath tub prison. I'm sure many lovers of Orca would agree. FREE THE KILLER WHALES!!
the funny irony is that if it wasn't for Seaworld raising Orcas we wouldn't have the whole "Save the Whales" movement because hardly anyone would give a shit about whales.
We may not be able to completely free them but sea pens that have been stated by Dr Naomi Rose and Ingrid Visser (sorry can’t remember if she has a doctorate). This can be done. Get them out of pools
I am really disappointed that CNN is very biased. First of all, Keiko died because of pneumonia, a disease that is unusual with wild orcas but very common with captive orcas. Meaning to say, his sickness originated from captivity and not from the wild. Second, this reporter said that there's no sea pen "any where in the world" that seems to be fitting for the marine mammals. Are you joking? I have seen a lot of proposals from different organizations who are willing to help open up a sea pen sanctuary for the captive marine mammals, and they have laid out different places, different seas and their ideas are wonderful. Stop telling lies CNN! Our planet is 70% water and your telling the people that you cannot find a place for this animals???
Cyndi M yes finding a location is hard because of MAINTENANCE, and since the sea is literally where a storm would hit before hitting land that will endanger the orcas and could even kill the orcas. Then peta will be peta and be like “THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS” and people will still try to find fault in seapens like for one, orcas will be exposed to new diseases. We can’t make everyone happy. We can just find the best way for these animals.
People will be happy to see the whales 🐋 free in the sea pen as opposed to a bathtub 🛀🏾 that’s why you shouldn’t have interfered in the first place by capturing the orcas. Free them, it’s the right thing to do and morally right.
Just a heads up, these whales have been caltured from different places and have their own languages. If they were realeased they would die beacuse they are *social* animals that depend on socialization to live.
Paul Boyle "blah blah blah" I guess we could put you in a prison cell, say that it is for the good of mankind that you be on display, and see how you like it! A zoo or an aquarium prison cell for the purpose of entertainment is a far cry from a sanctuary, and a stupid way to approach animal conservation!!! The suggestion that "we looked everywhere" is an absurd and untrue statement.
i think that capturing orcas for human entertainment is sickening. why would anyone want to strip its mother of is child and then make it perform stupid acts. they should never had been brought into captivity because everything has its evil side no matter how cute they look. all wild animals will be what they are even if you think they are tame. all sea animal parks should stop holding orcas as captives and maybe people wont lose their lives.
I don’t think that anyone just expects them to dump captured whales in to the ocean it would be nice if they just stopped capturing them. That would be a great start.
erm whales have not been caught from the wild in DECADES! Most of them are captive bred! Not saying its ok to keep a killer whale in the equivalent of a bloody fish tank, but get your FACTS right!
He ends by saying that right now it's just an idea. Ok then what? There are similar situations that can be extrapolated. For example in many places, including certain great zoos, the public may or may not see the animals in the enclosure because the enclosure allows the animals to be hidden when they want. Public knows it and it is part of the excitement to get to see a tail, or the head of the animal, although many can see the entire animal. The concept is not to oblige the animal to be with crowds of shouting children or people tapping on the glass but rather choose if and when it wants to be seen. There are many enclosures for wolves, for tigers, lions, gorillas, tasmanian devils which are done with this concept. So why not an orca sanctuary? Why a captive place for animals should be always conceived "for the public" and not for the animals?
We should never take orcas or any wild animals from their natural habitat and put them in a glass tank just so people can pay to watch them perform. That's not what God created them for!! They deserve to be free and with their families and if we want to see them we should see them as they are in the wild, happy, with their families and in their own environment.
I have you ever seen these so-called hybrid whales that have been born in captivity they can literally they're so smart that they have learned to chew up their food and then spit it out when the trainers aren't looking and catch birds with their throw up...in captivity there literally only fed one to two types of fish packed with vitamins and all kinds of medicine for the diseases that they get from not being able to eat there right type of diet.. which is anything that moves in the ocean .. so they've learned to lure and birds with their throw up.... Not a type of catching food that scene in the wild butt they learn..also they check them for diseases all the time so it's total crap about humans giving them diseases... They only live not even half the life of an orca whale in the wild..the oldest captive whales live 30 to 40 years most died right after being born and their first two years .if they don't die these highly social animals are taken from their mother while their mother cries in the bottom of the tank for days wailing making all kinds of sounds trying to find her baby while her baby is being shipped off to another Park. .These animals are kept without any way of getting out of the direct sun...these animals are being kept in fake saltwater tanks it's not even natural water..can you imagine swimming in a saltwater tank with your eyes open at all times???And they swim billions of Miles every year and imagine that they swim around the inside of a swimming pool for their entire lives...they used to put whales together that did not even speak the same whale language and now they realize that so they do try to put the ones from the same pods together..but before they would put them in tanks with each other and they didn't even speak the same language and most of the time they get frustrated and kill one another... They're literally fed two types of fish and that's it... And yes they are kept hungry to perform...let's talk about what they do when they take one of these whales out of the sea which is still happening... They surround the parents and the Pod using bombs and Nets and all kinds of things to surround the family the adults don't leave so a lot of them end up being killed and they literally tie rocks on them in sink them...they take the screaming infants and they get ahold of them and they pull them up on a boat and they take them and they fly them to a holding tank..they can be in one of these holding tanks for up to 4 years now let's talk about the holding tanks.. the holding tanks are very small a lot of times Rusty and they keep them in the dark most of the time.. the only time they have any type of interaction is when their trainers come in with food to get them to do their stupid circus tricks for food... Which if you think about it if you hand an orca a small fish that's like handing us a crumb...they keep the lights out and he's highly social highly intelligent animals are kept alone waiting for their trainer to come and train them to do their circus tricks when they learn their circustrix they will be off to a Seaquarium near you to live out their lives doing circus tricks every day of their life until they finally die which sets them free....when I was a child and when my children were children I thought the Seaquarium was the most awesome thing ever because they seem so happy they seem like they have a smile on their face they seem like they're having a great time waving at you with their big giant Smiles the reality is is that smile is a perma-smile and they literally could be chopped in half which I seen on the beach and they still have the perma-smile... This is happening in every single country around the world... Until we stop going to these places and stop giving them money this will continue
One tiny little response. Wild orca are notoriously finicky eaters. Different populations have different diets. Eating only one or two types of fish is actually pretty common for them. Each pod has their own special language, specialized diet, personality, and territory. So while I agree with much of what you're stating, and have never and will never give sea world a penny of my money, the argument for limited types of fish doesn't hold water.
I say there's got to be a way! The world is NOT small there's got to be a place for them just like for everyone that way the hybrids can live freely and if we train them to unleash their inner instinct then it's possible for them to fit in more than one place. We just have to figure something out in the end.
The only reason why they released Keiko back to his home waters is because they were hoping to reunite him back to his family after they identified a pod using the same dialect as Keiko. Unfortunately Keiko did not reunite with his family but rake marks indicated that there could have been a mating attempt. Who knows there could be a baby Keiko out there somewhere. Environmentalists want these performing animals to retire to a seapen to live out the rest of their life in dignity. Don't know of anyone lobbying to release them back into the wild - which would be insane! Also this thing about"people only love and protect what they can see or touch" is absurd. It is not possible to see every living creatures in captivity and does that mean we only save the ones we see and don't care if the rest lived or died? This is another "commercial quote" created by people who want to profit. There have been successful conservation efforts which has seen some species of animals saved from the brink of extinction but again not all animals can be in captivity. And orcas and other cetaceans certainly DO NOT BELONG IN CAPTIVITY!
Orcas do tricks for exsersize and they also do it to communicate with other whales. Spyhopping is used to get a better look above the surface. depth charges are used to display power, show that their excited, or get the attention of the other whales.
Even though many were born in captivity some have still displayed hunting instincts. Kalia at Seaworld San Diego likes to hunt birds and will bait the birds with fish and then catch them once they’re within reach.
Cetaceans dont have instincts. Their entire social structure is based on the cultures of individual pods and communities. Kalia taught herself how to hunt birds, she was not born with that knowledge.
Perrie Winkle the thing is, where would they learn to catch fish from? Other group of orcas would just reject them, and none of them knows how to do it
Perrie Winkle with the hunting side of things they dont just hunt naturally! Thats why when they are babys in the wild with their mother. Their mother teaches them how to hunt. And all we teached them is that they get food handed to them
It's just like the lady said, if we can send a man into space then we can make a sea pen a doable project! I saw a documentary a couple of years ago where a group of men, a couple a scientists are creating fish farms in the ocean, by first creating the pens. They actually had a good number or fish, they are looking into food sustainability for people. We can do anything and considering that these animals have generated millions, I feel it's the least thing they can do, yes I mean seaworld.
She said "If we can put a man on the moon" . The moon landing was fake. Blackfish is fake. awesomeocean.com/top-stories/blackfish-full-blacklies/ medium.com/@isaacwadd/whats-wrong-with-blackfish-3e5a366c28c7
with the level of communication orca have with one another , i wonder if a captive orca released in the wild would communicate to other orca about humans. then months later we start seeing humans being attacked by wild orca in places like orca bay
orcas families each have their own language so it would be like sticking 2 humans that cant understand each other together maybe if you were to find the family of the orca that might work
Granny wasn't 105. her age was guessed based off the age of J01, who was assumed to be her son. WRONG. DNA samples from both whales proved they where not related and that Granny was more likely to be in her upper eighties, perhaps early nineties. still old, but not the 103 people claim it to be.
Just a quick look on google. SeaWorld made net of 43 million in 2018 . It would probably take 5 million to make a sea pen. And about 500,000 to run one a year. SeaWorld needs to step up and do this for those poor animals that have made them millions!
Matthew Allen No, let the anticaps pay for it. Let them put their money where their mouths are. It cost $20 million dollars TO KILL KEIKO! Start saving your lunch money.
GOOD IDEA, RELEASE ALL THE WHALES. THEY DO NOT WANT TO RELEASE THEM BECAUSE OF MONEY. THEY WOULD LOOSE MILLIONS. IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW TO KEEP ANY ANIMAL IN CAPTIVITY FOR GAIN. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT GREED. IT IS ABOUT TIME WE PUT THINGS RIGHT
I don't agree I just watched a video of wild young orcas in destress using captive orcas training techniques to ask for help. Somebody taught them this and it wasn't humans because most humans are terrified of things that can kill them.
less than 5 countrys allow captive whales usa russia chinia japan so there you go usa/chinia whale abussing buddys thats how your seen by a lot of nations
What hapoens to killer whales after theyre released!? Well for starters they r free and happy they never loved u in the first place u cold monsters they wanted to kill u but then they would be killed
I don't get why they didn't do the experiment with Keiko's release as a pair (at the very least). Orcas shouldn't be alone. If there was another orca that he got along with or was at least familiar with and they worked with them together before releasing them then they might have had a better chance. At least they would be with someone familiar and could attempt to be their own pod and work together to survive.
This reporter is for captivity he is very negative, there is not a single sea pen. Right, because it needs to be funded. How about a little shout out to how we can help?
Ugh I just hate that intro... Anything is better for a captive orca, even if they only last a few days in the wild once they are released, its better than dying in an artificial fish bowl.
I honestly think these people think society is completely ignorant...I could've came up with better excuses then that "biologist" bet she works at Sea World too
STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!. These marine organizations that claim that these holding pens are for the animals benefit think again corruption is everywhere they still will profit because the ignorant people continue to support these places instead of leaving these animals untouched where they belong. money-making entertainment show. Still taking advantage of this poor animal.
They say is not that easy to free whales, well, what if they don't capture any of them in the first place!!
amen
+mexbiuri You do realize it was captivity that taught us about these animals and their nature... before that we shot them daily... theres a chance they would either be extinct or severely endangered.. more so then the current rate that they drop like flies. I agree they shouldn't have been taken from the wild but the idea of putting a sterile animal thats never been exposed to the pathogens and toxins of ocean into a contaminated environment is just ridiculous... its like putting a dog you've had for 15 years with all its vet treatments, worming fleaing, vaccines... then just one day taking that all away and sending it off to live in a forest full of disease...
Read my comment again. And to learn about species? I don't need to know how high a whale can jump to touch a ball with the tip of its nose.
Trust me, that is not the research they do in captivity nor do they do it for your purpose. they do it for wild orca and conservation. You do realize that already this year over 40 orca have died in the wild and many have 'gone missing' we just dont have their bodies to say 100% they are dead. What you see in shows is actually enrichment, stimulation and the bonds we have with animals. Sea worlds orcas are involved 'were' as now they have doomed wild orca because of this very act, researching the nutrients and what other things are passed from mother to calf via milk, how much the calf takes on and then stores into its own blubber. its was only one of about 50 things where were researching but this is key as over 50% wild calves die within their 1-2 year, due to high level of toxins in the oceans. understanding how much of this is passed from mother to calf in wild orca could lead to better conservation methods on how to stop this dramatic death rate of calves but it will never come to be and only 1 mother and calf have been studied, its not enough. Other research done is male to female ratio of birth another thing that will now cease due to activist caling for a breeding ban. Due to chemicals we have dumped in the ocean we have caused a boom of male orca yet dramatically decreased the number of females being born out of the 10 born last year 8 were male, 1 was female and 1 was unknown, the female died btw.. leaving that generation without a female to bred from.. most orca pods are interbreeding because of this effect all over the world, which is added to the high death rate in calves as they are unhealthy and causes even more of a less likely hood for a female. We need to save these animals and as much as people dont like animals in tanks, in cages, in houses. To save their wild counter parts, to make things better for them it, needs to be done. No matter the animal, no matter the size, no matter where.
mexbiuri I agree
Keiko survived 5 years in Icelandic/ Norwegian waters , he died 15 months after he got to Norway with pneumonia !FYI pneumonia has killed quite a few orcas at Seaworld ,, at least Keiko actually got to live first!!
Yeah I'm sure that's what Kelko was thinking when he was distraught and slowly dying. "Gee, where did all my human friends go? Guess I'll just die here. Alone."
exactly news has shares in the club its all 1 club seaworld cnn the gov there all 1 corp lies lies money tax animal abuse
Actually many other animals have trouble surviving in the wild after being released. Many times they try to return from the ocean, or just die in a few months after being released.
Susan Boyle keiko didn’t actually survive 5 years independently, I’m not sure how long he was living independently with wild orcas but all I know is that it was less than 2 years. Keiko also died alone without any pod cause either he left the pod or the pod didn’t accept him. “At least keiko got to live first” yeah a very sad ending though. But his treatment in captivity wasn’t all that good also. I mostly support seaworld btw
yes, and four of those five years where in a large TANK with seawater, and later a seapen. very different from the ocean. and I'm sure Keiko was ecstatic, as he slowly died, was unable to hunt, and ultimately spent his final year ALONE, most likely wondering where his trainers had gone.
Keiko was said to go into what was described as a "depression" after his trainers where forced to leave. he stopped eating and he barely moved for over a week. eventually, they got him functioning again. but I doubt he was to happy. Killer whales are incredibly social. that's something that Anti-Caps shout, "their too social! their pods are artificial!"
at least the captive ones HAVE a pod. Keiko didn't. once he was captured, his "pod" was his trainers. then, after public outcry, he was moved AWAY from his pod, and was alone for his final years. that is, I believe, more stressful than his original capture. because Keiko was young when he was captured (2). now, we don't know much about orca memories, but evidence suggests they are similar to human memories. and if somethings happens when you're two years old, you're not going to remember it. he may have had some faint memories,
but I sure as fuck know he remembered being taken away from the pool he considered his home, and the people he considered his pod, to be dumped into an environment that he had no idea how to survive in and ultimately killed him at quite a young age.
sound familiar?
Stop capturing them! FULL STOP!!!!
Lloyd Stuart they have stopped for quite a while now
Gustavo Gonçalves 40 years
Lloyd Stuart SeaWorld hasn’t captured a single orca in over 36+ years. SeaWorld didn’t even capture the whales in the first place. It was other companies who later sold the whales to SeaWorld.
They dont capture them. Do your research. They breed them
.... they don't?
America has banned captures and no American or Canadian company has captured an orca in over 30 years. RUSSIA and CHINA however, still do it yearly. but no one gives a fuck about those orcas, in tanks a foot longer than they are, that are covered in scars from violent captures and so underweight they could be lifted by two people. nope. no one cares. all they care about are the well fed, exercised, mentally stable and loved orcas at SeaWorld.
That's depressing that these orcas have never even seen the ocean. They make up the excuse that they've never seen the stuff in the wild. They are so smart and have instincts I'm sure they could figure it out. The whole reasons of Sea pens is so they can get used to it before going in the wild. And if they are never able to go in the wild than atleast they will have a MUCH better enclosure
I agree I saw a video of a orca in captivity vomiting up it's fish to lure birds in to eat them. These are intelligent animals if one orca can figure out how to kill a bird then they can handle the wild.
People don't need to see whales in captivity! you can see then on your 3D tv.
Please Grow up & Evolve
exactly! i mean the arrogance of it all
transhumanistxxyy I rather see live whales..sorry. My opinion.
transhumanistxxyy did you even watch the video?
Malias Harmonica
Same.
People can see whales in their own environment, it's called whale watching. They're not expensive and they have a very high success rate with sightings. The only thing you need to worry about on whale watching tours is getting sea sick.
2:15 Yeah, that compelling reason to protect the oceans is really working huh...
Sell your house and donate the money to captive whales... then I would respect what you just said.
Wesley, is that because one person selling their house and donating it to captive whales will change the world? Will it make everyone else sit up, take notice, and do what's right? No. It will take more than one person.
@@plwpahi So you don't really care about them at all do you?
1:09 another collapsed fin.
That's Keiko. Yes he had a collapsed fin. 100% of all killer whales in captive have either bent or collapsed dorsal fins
the austrailians do sea pens all the time for yellow fin tuna in the middle of the ocean and they are huge, so huge that boats drive in them, the challenge here is the money
Same here in Indonesia
yes, but those SeaPens are just large, barren oceans full of fish. the fish don't give a shit. they probably don't notice the difference. the fish don't need medical care. the fish have lived in the ocean their whole lives. their immune systems have built up against the diseases and stuff. the orcas haven't. you can't compare a fish to a whale anymore than you can compare a human to a frog.
As if you can compare prey to an apex predator. What a nonsensical comment
If they can't be set free, THEN STOP CAPTURING THEM!!!!!!!
Well, SeaWorld has not captured a Killer Whale for like about 40 years.
Erm sea world and most other aquaria have done that DECADES a go! Doesnt help the animals whpo are stuck there though :(
YEAHH THATS RIGHT
I feel like they should all be released into sea pens, then research and training they could form an artificial pod, and maybe later on(years) be introduced into the wild. If 'm ever rich I would try to make this happen.
are you rich yet? it's been two years.
Are you rich now?
@@tamiyaharrison9774 I wish :)
🤣im wheezing
Funny, funny people. What are you doing to help??
profits.
that's why they don't free them
KeiKo was one example who had complications in captivity anyways... There is no reason that any other orca shouldnt be free.
victoria Lolita is old, changing her environment might actually kill her, keiko survived for a few years, he lived in sea waters for 5 years but stop being with human contact for only 2 or less years, the other years were him in a seapen learning to be wild, and he died alone, so even if the technically released the orca properly, they didn’t get to make the orca more sociable to other orcas which is why it’s considered a fail.
Lolita is 50. her mother (L25, Ocean Sun) is the only orca left that witnessed her capture. Female orcas live to be 45-50 on average. Ocean Sun is in her upper 80's, and with Lolita in her earlier fifties, there is literally nothing that could be done before one or both of the orcas die.
ReviewCam except Kasatka was not noted to be doing anything different after she was separated with Takara. And Corky is from A5 pod. Every single orca that was alive during her capture from A5 is now dead. And from all of A pod, only 3 orcas where alive when she was, and since Corky was captured so young, she probably never had met them.
Not true female orcas live longer than males Lolita is prime age recent house check on Lolita clearly shows and proves she's a healthy orca considering captivity she is a definite very well candidate for release to the sea pen prepared for her. If you enjoy captivity or if you are a trainer and feel that Lolita should stay there you are nothing but selfish I'm sorry she deserves freedom she still practices her vocalization dialect same as her family meaning she could communicate with them regardless she's going to die someday she doesn't deserve to die in a tank and everything proves that Lolita is a good candidate for retirement
@@caitlynkelly8859 it would be nice if they could be reunited before they die. Even if Lolita has to stay in a sea pen, they can still meet.
it's a great idea, make it happen before it's too late for them.
It's not captivity, it's a living hell.
kroakie4 Aren't hell and captivity the same thing :(
They are intelligent animals and every animal has a survival instinct. Even domesticated cats that are allowed outside manage to hunt mice and birds even though they are well fed at home. They also manage to navigate their environment and way home and cats have been domesticated for 1000's of years and mostly all of them were born in captivity. It's a joke that people actually believe this garbage that they can't survive in the wild. Look at the videos of the "captive" killer whales killing a pelican during a Sea world show.....they had to put the show on hold and the whales wouldn't listen to the trainer, they were ripping it apart and sharing it. They only spread this bullshit about them not being able to survive to make you doubt that they can live so they can continue to keep them captive and have you feel OK about it. The media and sea world is manipulating the public and pulling on people's gullible heart strings but I garentee you at least half those whales would thrive in the wild given the chance but Sea world won't give up their "meal ticket" that easily. Humans are selfish creatures and most given money and power will do horrible and exploit humans and animals in order to further their financial gain!!
Make their tank imitate their natural habitat at least. Aquariums do that with fish and sharks and seals? Why not whales??? I don't get it.
"People can't see them in a sea pen" Its called: Using a BOAT. Duh!!! I'd much rather pay to see Orca living a semi wild life in a huge bay instead of a tiny bath tub prison. I'm sure many lovers of Orca would agree. FREE THE KILLER WHALES!!
Absolutely xxxx
investors waiting....they just do not want to drop the goose that lays the golden eggs!
Put those so call specialists and trainers in jail, let them experience what captivity is like.
Yes yes yes
the funny irony is that if it wasn't for Seaworld raising Orcas we wouldn't have the whole "Save the Whales" movement because hardly anyone would give a shit about whales.
We may not be able to completely free them but sea pens that have been stated by Dr Naomi Rose and Ingrid Visser (sorry can’t remember if she has a doctorate). This can be done. Get them out of pools
I am really disappointed that CNN is very biased. First of all, Keiko died because of pneumonia, a disease that is unusual with wild orcas but very common with captive orcas. Meaning to say, his sickness originated from captivity and not from the wild. Second, this reporter said that there's no sea pen "any where in the world" that seems to be fitting for the marine mammals. Are you joking? I have seen a lot of proposals from different organizations who are willing to help open up a sea pen sanctuary for the captive marine mammals, and they have laid out different places, different seas and their ideas are wonderful. Stop telling lies CNN! Our planet is 70% water and your telling the people that you cannot find a place for this animals???
Cyndi M yes finding a location is hard because of MAINTENANCE, and since the sea is literally where a storm would hit before hitting land that will endanger the orcas and could even kill the orcas. Then peta will be peta and be like “THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS” and people will still try to find fault in seapens like for one, orcas will be exposed to new diseases. We can’t make everyone happy. We can just find the best way for these animals.
Cyndi M Pneumonia is the leading cause of death in wild orcas. Please do some research.
The point of it would be to give these animals at least a semblance of some space and freedom, far better than a pool.
They need to stop capturing AND breeding them its disgusting to even think this is ok
There is no more breeding. Once this last Generation of Orcas are released or have passed away that wil be it for having Orcas at sea world.
People will be happy to see the whales 🐋 free in the sea pen as opposed to a bathtub 🛀🏾 that’s why you shouldn’t have interfered in the first place by capturing the orcas. Free them, it’s the right thing to do and morally right.
Just a heads up, these whales have been caltured from different places and have their own languages. If they were realeased they would die beacuse they are *social* animals that depend on socialization to live.
Paul Boyle "blah blah blah" I guess we could put you in a prison cell, say that it is for the good of mankind that you be on display, and see how you like it!
A zoo or an aquarium prison cell for the purpose of entertainment is a far cry from a sanctuary, and a stupid way to approach animal conservation!!!
The suggestion that "we looked everywhere" is an absurd and untrue statement.
Its 2020, how far has this got along, those animals need to be released
Even if the seapen is just an idea, they still need to stop torturing and forcing the animals to perform at seaworld.
Gc blre seaworld doesn’t force animals or torture animals but different aquariums actually do that
i think that capturing orcas for human entertainment is sickening. why would anyone want to strip its mother of is child and then make it perform stupid acts. they should never had been brought into captivity because everything has its evil side no matter how cute they look. all wild animals will be what they are even if you think they are tame. all sea animal parks should stop holding orcas as captives and maybe people wont lose their lives.
Don't capture them in the first place, there people too, leave them alone, they do nothing to us .. we hurt them... they are innocent, we are not
EXCUSES!!! Please stop going to these places! As long as people go to these establishment’s they will always have these animals locked up!!!
It’s not excuses it’s educated facts
I don’t think that anyone just expects them to dump captured whales in to the ocean it would be nice if they just stopped capturing them. That would be a great start.
"there is the Sea Bay they spent millions on for Keiko so there you have at least one, start with that.
Well don't catch them if it's so hard to free them myself trust me a 5 year old can figure that out
erm whales have not been caught from the wild in DECADES! Most of them are captive bred! Not saying its ok to keep a killer whale in the equivalent of a bloody fish tank, but get your FACTS right!
The O Man actually they’re still being caught in Russia and being sent to China, so that’s a false statement.
He ends by saying that right now it's just an idea. Ok then what? There are similar situations that can be extrapolated. For example in many places, including certain great zoos, the public may or may not see the animals in the enclosure because the enclosure allows the animals to be hidden when they want. Public knows it and it is part of the excitement to get to see a tail, or the head of the animal, although many can see the entire animal. The concept is not to oblige the animal to be with crowds of shouting children or people tapping on the glass but rather choose if and when it wants to be seen. There are many enclosures for wolves, for tigers, lions, gorillas, tasmanian devils which are done with this concept. So why not an orca sanctuary? Why a captive place for animals should be always conceived "for the public" and not for the animals?
We should never take orcas or any wild animals from their natural habitat and put them in a glass tank just so people can pay to watch them perform. That's not what God created them for!! They deserve to be free and with their families and if we want to see them we should see them as they are in the wild, happy, with their families and in their own environment.
free willy survived 5years in the wild I think that's pretty good at least he had 5 years of pure freedom.
Leave them alone in the sea from the beginning.
1:09 that whale looked so sick
I have you ever seen these so-called hybrid whales that have been born in captivity they can literally they're so smart that they have learned to chew up their food and then spit it out when the trainers aren't looking and catch birds with their throw up...in captivity there literally only fed one to two types of fish packed with vitamins and all kinds of medicine for the diseases that they get from not being able to eat there right type of diet.. which is anything that moves in the ocean .. so they've learned to lure and birds with their throw up.... Not a type of catching food that scene in the wild butt they learn..also they check them for diseases all the time so it's total crap about humans giving them diseases... They only live not even half the life of an orca whale in the wild..the oldest captive whales live 30 to 40 years most died right after being born and their first two years .if they don't die these highly social animals are taken from their mother while their mother cries in the bottom of the tank for days wailing making all kinds of sounds trying to find her baby while her baby is being shipped off to another Park. .These animals are kept without any way of getting out of the direct sun...these animals are being kept in fake saltwater tanks it's not even natural water..can you imagine swimming in a saltwater tank with your eyes open at all times???And they swim billions of Miles every year and imagine that they swim around the inside of a swimming pool for their entire lives...they used to put whales together that did not even speak the same whale language and now they realize that so they do try to put the ones from the same pods together..but before they would put them in tanks with each other and they didn't even speak the same language and most of the time they get frustrated and kill one another... They're literally fed two types of fish and that's it... And yes they are kept hungry to perform...let's talk about what they do when they take one of these whales out of the sea which is still happening... They surround the parents and the Pod using bombs and Nets and all kinds of things to surround the family the adults don't leave so a lot of them end up being killed and they literally tie rocks on them in sink them...they take the screaming infants and they get ahold of them and they pull them up on a boat and they take them and they fly them to a holding tank..they can be in one of these holding tanks for up to 4 years now let's talk about the holding tanks.. the holding tanks are very small a lot of times Rusty and they keep them in the dark most of the time.. the only time they have any type of interaction is when their trainers come in with food to get them to do their stupid circus tricks for food... Which if you think about it if you hand an orca a small fish that's like handing us a crumb...they keep the lights out and he's highly social highly intelligent animals are kept alone waiting for their trainer to come and train them to do their circus tricks when they learn their circustrix they will be off to a Seaquarium near you to live out their lives doing circus tricks every day of their life until they finally die which sets them free....when I was a child and when my children were children I thought the Seaquarium was the most awesome thing ever because they seem so happy they seem like they have a smile on their face they seem like they're having a great time waving at you with their big giant Smiles the reality is is that smile is a perma-smile and they literally could be chopped in half which I seen on the beach and they still have the perma-smile... This is happening in every single country around the world... Until we stop going to these places and stop giving them money this will continue
One tiny little response. Wild orca are notoriously finicky eaters. Different populations have different diets. Eating only one or two types of fish is actually pretty common for them. Each pod has their own special language, specialized diet, personality, and territory. So while I agree with much of what you're stating, and have never and will never give sea world a penny of my money, the argument for limited types of fish doesn't hold water.
I say there's got to be a way! The world is NOT small there's got to be a place for them just like for everyone that way the hybrids can live freely and if we train them to unleash their inner instinct then it's possible for them to fit in more than one place. We just have to figure something out in the end.
The only reason why they released Keiko back to his home waters is because they were hoping to reunite him back to his family after they identified a pod using the same dialect as Keiko. Unfortunately Keiko did not reunite with his family but rake marks indicated that there could have been a mating attempt. Who knows there could be a baby Keiko out there somewhere.
Environmentalists want these performing animals to retire to a seapen to live out the rest of their life in dignity. Don't know of anyone lobbying to release them back into the wild - which would be insane!
Also this thing about"people only love and protect what they can see or touch" is absurd. It is not possible to see every living creatures in captivity and does that mean we only save the ones we see and don't care if the rest lived or died? This is another "commercial quote" created by people who want to profit.
There have been successful conservation efforts which has seen some species of animals saved from the brink of extinction but again not all animals can be in captivity. And orcas and other cetaceans certainly DO NOT BELONG IN CAPTIVITY!
I’m with the sea pen
If there is a will, there is a way. #freetheorcas
Chichichi998 Never regret something that once made you happy.
Orcas do tricks for exsersize and they also do it to communicate with other whales. Spyhopping is used to get a better look above the surface. depth charges are used to display power, show that their excited, or get the attention of the other whales.
Even though many were born in captivity some have still displayed hunting instincts. Kalia at Seaworld San Diego likes to hunt birds and will bait the birds with fish and then catch them once they’re within reach.
Cetaceans dont have instincts. Their entire social structure is based on the cultures of individual pods and communities.
Kalia taught herself how to hunt birds, she was not born with that knowledge.
These dolphins are so intelligent if they can learn to do tricks for spectators im sure catching fish and being an orca wont be too difficult!!!
Perrie Winkle the thing is, where would they learn to catch fish from? Other group of orcas would just reject them, and none of them knows how to do it
Try being dropped in the middle of the jungle, all alone. I’m sure since you’re so smart you can gather berries and hunt animals easily!
I’m wondering why they can’t put more than one in the sea pen because then they’d have a companion.
Perrie Winkle with the hunting side of things they dont just hunt naturally! Thats why when they are babys in the wild with their mother. Their mother teaches them how to hunt. And all we teached them is that they get food handed to them
@@46foryounger So you want gay orcas? Because that's how you get gay orcas
What about the Sheep pen that Keiko lived in the whale that played in Free Willy lived in the sea pen before he was let loose
To starve to death.
Kieko had a functioning sea pen...
why not start with putting 1 in 3 whales in sea pens see if the public do visit and what they prefer to go to see whales simple really
Just don’t capture them in the first place...🤷♀️🤦♀️
Agree agree agree
Well the point is to stop breeding them in captivity. It’s animal cruelty
We dont want "to see them"! Personally Id rather pay to see them on a boat tour in the wild than in small pen😠
That may not be possible. vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/u-s-navy-tests-will-put-endangered-b-c-orcas-at-risk-say-experts-1.5076832
Put Nature Back! Or Nature will do it for you!
It's just like the lady said, if we can send a man into space then we can make a sea pen a doable project! I saw a documentary a couple of years ago where a group of men, a couple a scientists are creating fish farms in the ocean, by first creating the pens. They actually had a good number or fish, they are looking into food sustainability for people. We can do anything and considering that these animals have generated millions, I feel it's the least thing they can do, yes I mean seaworld.
She said "If we can put a man on the moon" . The moon landing was fake. Blackfish is fake.
awesomeocean.com/top-stories/blackfish-full-blacklies/
medium.com/@isaacwadd/whats-wrong-with-blackfish-3e5a366c28c7
Anyone who defends keeping them in captivity is barbaric
yes cuz the trainer enslaved them and can decide if they go free or not smh
what about kastka
this is just damage control for seaworld
Luckily there is a whale sanctuary project
all the captive whales, I don't think we should release them all at once, start them off in a open ocean thing then release them
RIP Lolita💔😥
Everything “human made “in the world that we enjoy today....started off once as .....”just an idea”
with the level of communication orca have with one another , i wonder if a captive orca released in the wild would communicate to other orca about humans.
then months later we start seeing humans being attacked by wild orca in places like orca bay
There was a simpsons episode where exactly that happened lol
orcas families each have their own language so it would be like sticking 2 humans that cant understand each other together maybe if you were to find the family of the orca that might work
They can live to 105 like J2 #rip Granny 😿
Granny wasn't 105. her age was guessed based off the age of J01, who was assumed to be her son. WRONG. DNA samples from both whales proved they where not related and that Granny was more likely to be in her upper eighties, perhaps early nineties. still old, but not the 103 people claim it to be.
Captivity for anyone or animal is wrong
I call bullshit
Just a quick look on google. SeaWorld made net of 43 million in 2018 . It would probably take 5 million to make a sea pen. And about 500,000 to run one a year. SeaWorld needs to step up and do this for those poor animals that have made them millions!
Matthew Allen No, let the anticaps pay for it. Let them put their money where their mouths are. It cost $20 million dollars TO KILL KEIKO! Start saving your lunch money.
And if they do build a sea pen build a see thru tunnel so we can see them
I've seen wild killer whales
LET LIFE MAKE ITS WAY FOR ALL ANIMALS AND PEOPLE. THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS US. FREE THEM NOW
Let the group go together they will figure how to hunt together
GOOD IDEA, RELEASE ALL THE WHALES. THEY DO NOT WANT TO RELEASE THEM BECAUSE OF MONEY. THEY WOULD LOOSE MILLIONS. IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW TO KEEP ANY ANIMAL IN CAPTIVITY FOR GAIN. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT GREED. IT IS ABOUT TIME WE PUT THINGS RIGHT
This wouldn’t be a problem if people didn’t capture them.
Killer whales should be free, but when it comes to endangered species I sometimes think that it's better to have them protected than go extinct.
Xander vd Hooven southern resident orcas are endangered
No let them be free...
If it doesn’t make money, it will never be done
I don't agree I just watched a video of wild young orcas in destress using captive orcas training techniques to ask for help. Somebody taught them this and it wasn't humans because most humans are terrified of things that can kill them.
What?? Give the people news every week and if the US has money for other countries, why not for that??
So it's better to let them suffer in captivity and suffer?
The whale that jumped over the kid was in Michael Jackson song will you be there
Um technicaly arent they still captive in a sea pen?
Yes, but they would be in a more natural environment than in a tank.
And no doing tricks for food. And a chance to be free. Think about it. It's way better than a damn cement tank..
@@debbiegubala5429 Swimming pools are made out of cement and everyone likes having those in their gardens
They build these massive aqauriums like in Dubai for example and build great exhibits matching natural habitat very well. Do that for the whales
No...leave them where the belong. With their famous in the wild ocean....
Families not famous
This does make me hate humanity and their constant need of pervasive entertainment
Bullshit! Seaworld fucking paid them to say this!
How about the people who took them pay for it with all the money they made off of taking them
less than 5 countrys allow captive whales usa russia chinia japan so there you go usa/chinia whale abussing buddys thats how your seen by a lot of nations
lee8830 nope, it’s because other countries don’t meat the way orcas live, you wouldn’t want to see an orca in Dubai even tho they have the money.
What hapoens to killer whales after theyre released!? Well for starters they r free and happy they never loved u in the first place u cold monsters they wanted to kill u but then they would be killed
Maybe just not take whales from the wild in the first place.
Didn’t seaworld set him free alone because he killed a trainer?
2 worlds SEA PENS
I don't get why they didn't do the experiment with Keiko's release as a pair (at the very least). Orcas shouldn't be alone. If there was another orca that he got along with or was at least familiar with and they worked with them together before releasing them then they might have had a better chance. At least they would be with someone familiar and could attempt to be their own pod and work together to survive.
The. Point is, the. Captured. Die... Often. Or. Stress. Kill
Then maybe perhaps nobody should capture whales? Da! Stupid! They should have the same done to them.
This reporter is for captivity he is very negative, there is not a single sea pen. Right, because it needs to be funded. How about a little shout out to how we can help?
You already "helped" Keiko. orcapod.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Keiko
www.amazon.com/Killing-Keiko-Story-Willys-Return/dp/0996077014
www.amazon.com/Killing-Keiko-Story-Willys-Return/dp/0996077014
Ugh I just hate that intro... Anything is better for a captive orca, even if they only last a few days in the wild once they are released, its better than dying in an artificial fish bowl.
I AGREE THO. SO WAT WE SHOULD WAIT TILL ALL 50 WHALES DIE LIKE INMATES IN PRISON CUZ THIER NEVER GONNA GET BAIL. EVEN THO ALL THIS WAS ARE FAULT 🙏🙏🙏
I honestly think these people think society is completely ignorant...I could've came up with better excuses then that "biologist" bet she works at Sea World too
Id take the chances to be free than being slaves.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!. These marine organizations that claim that these holding pens are for the animals benefit think again corruption is everywhere they still will profit because the ignorant people continue to support these places instead of leaving these animals untouched where they belong. money-making entertainment show. Still taking advantage of this poor animal.