Bronco Restoration Day 14 - Building a rolling Chassis
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2022
- I bought this Bronco for $2,000 and my plan is to fully restore it, and at the end sell it. I’m keeping track of every dollar and hour spent so see what kind of profit I could get in the end.
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I spent most of my time on the brakes, getting the disc brakes on, grinding down the stock knuckle to make room for the brakes, but also getting the locking hubs put in place. Then I installed the brake lines and the new 23 gallon fuel tank.
Money Spent:
Brake Kit - $1,995 bit.ly/4wheelDisc
Rear Axle Shafts - $250 bit.ly/9inAxleShaft
Front Axle Shafts - $600 bit.ly/D44Axle
Locking Hubs - $100 bit.ly/LockingHub
Brake lines - $300 bit.ly/BrakeLineKit
23 gallon tank - $900 bit.ly/23GallonTank
Time Spent:
6 hours - front brakes
3 hours - rear brakes
2 hours - engine fitment
3 hours - brake lines and fuel tank
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I am planning to go Godzilla. I know it's alot of work but the Coyote is also and it's pretty common. Both engines will give you today's dependability and drivability. It's been a year so I'll have to watch your remaining videos to see which way you went. But if you went Godzilla you are my new best friend. Woooooo!
Make it a BOSS!
Grab a 351 roller engine stroke to 408.
Grab a clevor kit from Edelbrock. EFI... Sweeeeeeet!!!
My dream engine for my '67 u15.
Also on the brakes, I swapped my d30 drum brake axle for a 74 disk brake axle. I used big body bronco brake parts to keep it all Ford.
Easy bolt on. And much stronger.
Nice!!
Having recently gone through these same decisions, I have a lot to say. First off, I went back and forth on weather to resell mine once completed. I was very focused on what would bring the greatest return and I had a second bronco to build afterwards. Someone gave me some advice along the ways that helped a ton. He was another builder and told me, he doesn't build broncos for anyone else's specifications. He builds them the way he wants. If someone doesn't like it, they will move onto the next. With this, I decided to just build my dream bronco. It is now part of the family!
Now in regards to engine, the coyote no doubt brings the greatest return, however if most people are honest, it is grossly overpowered for the early bronco. I ended up choosing the blueprint 306. I think at some point I will add the edelbrock pro flo.
With all that said, I believe the explorer 5.0 is the most underrated budget friendly option. This summer I met several people who had this swap performed for minimal cost and had great results. Unfortunately, this option does not seem to bring a great return on investment. I consider it a unsung hero of sorts.
I guess in the end, if you build the bronco how you like, you will never be disappointed if you keep it.
Thanks again for all the great content! Looking forward to meeting you and the rest of the community at super cell east!
Great insight Aaron! Very well put
The coyote engine gives you the most $ for resell. Most of those rebuilds are going over $100,000. With rebuilders like Velocity, they are reselling Coyote rebuilds for almost $300,000. Some are over 300. So the 8 speed or 10 speed trans bolted up to a coyote is the top selling configuration. I don't know what the Godzilla option is but it sounds interesting. I bought a Ford Racing 302 crate motor for mine because I don't plan on reselling and it produces 340 hp. That's not 465 like the coyote, but its respectable on the light Bronco. My three speed will light up the tires, but so will a trans break or a front brake on an automatic 10 speed. investing 20,000 to make an extra 50,000 does seem like a good idea whereas investing 8,000 to break even on a normal build is cheap, but renders cheap payback. It's another example of you get what you pay for. If I had the money, I'd go the coyote route. I've seen motor w/trans used for around 12000. To get the money on a used one though, you might need to rebuild them. So for a new set up from Ford Racing it would be between 20-30,000.
Bro... I will never ever build a Bronco or buy a restored one... But this series has me watching. I need the daily updates tho.... Also, this show needs to be on Netflix or something like that. It has captured my attention like West Coast Customs or Gotham Garage...
Haha! Thank you
Bro. I don’t even have a Bronco or can even fathom to get one in Dubai, but I am watching these videos and rewatching them like I have a garage next door to you and about to go get a project car.
Haha! Love it
I went with a blue print 408 and a 435 from Tom's. I still have my original 302 and 3spd intact on a pallet in case I ever want to go back. You will never get that bottom power from coyote.
I’d rebuild it with a stroker kit, AFR heads, and a ProFlow EFI. You’ll still have the original block and as much power as a coyote for way less money. You’ll make more (or lose less 😂) that way. Also, if it came with a stick I’d seriously consider a Tremec 4x4 5speed instead of the automatic. My 2 cents.
Thank you for these videos. I love them
Nice! Another vote for a stroker 👍🏼 and the first manual vote, haha!
I’m a purist and will retain the factory 302 and three on the tree when restoring my 74.
Nice! That will be cool
I would like to see you rebuild the 302. You can get a lot of power and keep it looking more original. Keep up the good work.
I’m currently building a 66. I sourced all the efi system from a 99 explorer. I’ve installed it on a stock 94 5.0 with a small cam. So this would be my vote for your setup. It’s a proven efi design with plenty of replacement parts available.
That is a proven EFI for sure! I feel like if I’m going with a 302/5.0 it should look stock-ish. Even though EFI is not stock haha
Did the BluePrint Bronco 306 with EFI. Been happy so far, 3K miles. Thanks for the videos!!!
Nice! Another vote for Blue Print 👍🏼
Hey bud I wanted to thank you for the swag that you sent me up here in Palmer Alaska it made my day. Thank you again 👍👍
Awesome! Yeah man! Thanks for watching
Nice
I am a big fan of the overall approach that Agaso takes. Traditional, 331(?), quality but not overbuilding. I believe that's the best approach to maximize everything, including keeping it when you are finished.
I love Agaso! Yeah, so you vote Original engine?
I'm selling this one, but I hope to build one to keep after this.
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco I vote original 302. I'm not anti-coyote but I think it dominates the dialog of a vehicle that stands on its own as a total package.
I literally just done that front brake conversion on mine 2 days ago and ran new lines (body on = not very fun for that long line on the frame).
I would go with a rebuild of your original 302 and maybe beef it up a bit while at it and in turn you could go ahead with the build.
Nice! Another for original engine 👍🏼
331 stroker (.030 bore over). Use the AFR 165 heads, with custom grind cam (roller) that is spec to your entire set up (tire size, gearing, transmission/torque converter, heads etc.)
Nice! I like this
Blueprint 306 or explorer 5.0 would be my first choices with rebuilt stroker motor being a close 3rd
Another vote for Blue Print 👍🏼
I would much rather break on the trail with an old school engine maybe with EFI than a new engine and transmission with all the sensors to make it work, don’t get me wrong, I love the coyote engine, just my asspinion, great video 👍😁
Another for stock or blueprint 👍🏼
I would decide on who you plan on marketing the finished vehicle to and let that direct you on the engine. Your margin could be similar with either engine. I’m a big fan of 302s and 351s. Easy to work on, available parts. Usually plenty of HP can be found. The new blueprint with the new block might be nice. Selling price I would think would open it up to more buyers. The coyote is the choice if you’re aiming at a higher price point and a smaller buyer pool.
That’s a good point for sure
Rebuild the motor, either as 306 or a 347 stroker, mated up with the 4R70W will give you a really nice driver with off road capability. On my 76 Bronco, it will be a 306 mated to a 4R70W.
Nice! Another vote for 302 or 347
Go 347 stroker crate engine. Im installing one in my bronco right now. Pulling it out of 65 Mustang and Mustang is getting my 306
Oh that’s awesome! 347 is so nice
Keeping the base engine with it would be ideal. Whether you stroke it or not, that’s up to you. But having the original engine might actually be a selling point you could miss if you went with a different motor.
Otherwise, 306 blueprint with EFI from factory is my vote.
Yep! Another vote for original engine 👍🏼
351 is an option...
I have a Blueprint 306 in my 71 runs good. But, if you put the Blueprint 347 I think it will be more desirable for a buyer.
Ooo! Those are good options.
Engine wise go to pick n pull get a roller 5.0 out of an explorer, clean it up with paint, put on a trick flow top end kit from summit and your longblock is done including efi intake. That would be about 3k plus 300 for used roller shortblock. Then get used nv3550 with adapters,mount and then use 456 gears with skinny 33". I have that and it drives great and has overdrive. Plenty of power and decent fuel economy.
Nice!
Inline 6 300 (4.1 Liter?) with a super charger
OK, well its been 5 months now so I guess you already decided... but, I would keep everything Engine wise and rans complete an original but upgraded. Since you have the tank and electronic fuel pump I would use an after market Injection System. The problem with Modification is when you sell it, and trust me you will lose money just in the time involved, I think most people like Stock upgraded stuff. Just my opinion but the frame is finished and coated so just get it done and sold since that was you original desire... Beautiful work so far.
Thanks for commenting! I like that train of thought…
Just a thought...I'm putting a Summit 306 "Bronco", backed by the NV4500 5 speed and an atlas 2. This should bring at least 100K profit
Nice!!! That looks like a great package as well
I am biased, but it is really hard to beat the 302. One of the greatest engines ever. However, when I eventually tear my 73 down some day, I want to do a coyote swap. Although I do plan on keeping mine. You would probably know better than me, how easy is it to sell a bronco with a coyote? Would it be easier and more practical sticking with the 302? Whatever you decide to do, I'm sure it will turn out amazing. As always, thank you for the great videos! I plan on using these when I rebuild mine.
Thank you! Resale it’s surprisingly pretty even 50/50
what do u think about the 4bt cummins ? great little motor, takes nothing to run it, insane fuel economy, and definitely different. you can buy adapter plates for the transmission of choice, im a big fan of diesel in general (hence my psycho ideas building my bronco). or perhaps the izuzu 4BD1T 3.9 litre ?
I love diesel. I'm actually filming up at Cummins tomorrow. I would love to put an R2.8 in a build in the future. May not be the right one for this build.
IMO I always build with reliability, availability, and maintainability in mind (Yes, it's a Marine thing). I would keep it a 302. Millions of options for the 302 or 351 and plenty of hp that compares to newer EFI motors. Mine, with its build, comes in around 360hp. Run some spall electric fans and an oversized radiator and it should have no issues running the highway or the high mountains. When you go stroker or anything "one off" you run into more issues and if its resale?? Then keep it simple. Just my .02
Another vote for 302 with some wise wisdom 👍🏼
im doing a 302 rebuild turning it into a roller with a twisted wedge top end....I still have to find all of the other intake and ect... and would like to find advice on carb or fuel injected?
I was faced with this same engine dilemma six months ago. My Bronco is about a week away from its first start.
What did you go with?
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco I decided to have the original 302 completely rebuilt. A little more hp. Pro Flo EFI. Ceramic headers. Auto trans. My decision process was: Coyote was really expensive and requires some previous experience to do it correctly. 5.0 from a Mustang or other was a good option but I've had friends who have had issues with the trans computer and harness. That left me with either the 306 crate or rebuilding the original. I chose the original num matching. What you have to decide is what brings the most money vs the cost to get there for a profit. I have way too much money in my Bronco. It's honestly not worth what I've got in it. Vintage air. Custom interior. Icon console and power steps. 7-inch Pioneer. New paint. Dakota digital RTX. Hydraboost disc. Bilstein suspension. Everything is new. I think if I had to do it again, I'd just buy one from some guy like me that spent way too much money building one. I wanted Grabber blue and that got me down this road. Love your channel.
Haha! I totally get that. I’m in the same boat and having the same thought process you are.
Where do you buy the Icon dash?
If you want top dollar you have to go Coyote. Next would be the Blueprint 306 but make the effort to put the Edelbrock Pro-flo 4 on it with a set of BC Broncos ceramic coated headers.
The 4R70 is a solid choice for transmission but I suggest you lose the Dana 20 and go for the Atlas II.
So what’s your vote? Coyote or blueprint?
Maximize return on investment…go Coyote!
Rebuild the original 302 with roller hydraulic lifters and a mild cam. How much horsepower do you really need in a Bronco(I don’t get the coyote thing)? I’m just starting my 3rd EB restoration I’m doing a 4r70w also. What are you doing for your cross member?
Another vote for 302 👍🏼
I bought the crossmember from Toms
Offroad. I haven’t fit it yet, so I’m not sure how it fits
Nothing wrong with a good 302 or a stroker engine. Dressed nicely with EFI would be fine.
1 vote for OG engine with EFI
Here comes my two cents worth. Blueprint 306 or explore motor with 4r70 or 6r80 transmission. I don’t think doing a coyote 5.0 or 7.3 Godzilla motor is budget friendly. Either of my two options would still net you a good return on your build. A Coyote or 7.3 will always bring you more money in sale price but it also takes more money to do. Also, side note, you’ll need to weld the brake hard line support brackets onto the 9” housing and the front braided lines where they attach to the caliper need to be positioned up at 12 o’clock not back at 3 o’clock. Looks great so far bud!
Another vote for Blue Print 👍🏼
Yeah, I actually forgot to buy the brackets for the front, and the original brackets are in the wrong spot. For the back, I need to grind down the powder and weld those on. Thanks for the reminder
Rebuild or Blueprint Engine.
Personal choice-
That said, I just rebuilt a 351W- factoring all the new parts, machining work, new heads, cam, EFI, etc.-it was way more expensive than I expected. Given my time invested, the parts and machinery, that Blue Print engine looks like a a good deal! Yes I built an awesome motor for less than a Blue Print motor but not that much less. Not that I plan to sell- but I certainly don’t have the engine building reputation that Blue Print has. Bottom Line: Given what I know now, I’d give them a call first.
Good advice 👍🏼👍🏼
I'm planning on a 351w pushed out to a 408 with Holley EFI.. Should cost around $3500.
That sounds like a great option! Good luck!
289 from a mustang with a 4 speed would be neat
That would be cool. The 289 made more HP than the 302 that came in this bronco
@Nashville Early Bronco Curious why the 351W was not considered? This was a popular swap years/decades ago.
True! 351 is a good option
Okay here's what you do, put the engine in now, rebuild something on the side, that way if a buyer wants the rebuilt one, charge more to switch it out. They call that a Win/Win
Haha! I like the way you think!
Blueprint 408🎉
Oh nice! Yes
whats a chassis like this worth? rebuilt front and rear diff, suspension, everything new and painted, etc etc but including a 5L engine with NV3550, all new driveshafts installed and rolling and if it had registration? just wondering your opinion?
Hmm… hard to guess without seeing it, but probably 15-20
Coyote will have the highest resale value, I think when considering: you need new parts and you will not have a numbers matching bronco. That said a 351 is great option to work within stock dimensions. Coyote conversion costs are really high... but this is not a conversion. You don't already have the parts you need to complete your project, and you're not spending money to replace a perfectly good steering column. so, if you don't have the parts to re-use I vote Coyote. If you do (and as viewers we are unaware of this) then 351W. I think it's spreadsheet time with anticipated costs and anticipated sale price!
Another vote for Coyote 👍🏼 and a very wise vote to make a spreadsheet, haha!
Rebuild the original engine as a 347 Stroker with fuel injection.
What is the silver punch you are using to press in the bearings?
It’s a bearing and race driver set. I got it on amazon
How about a 2.8l turbo diesel Cummins?
That would be awesome
Go with a stroked 302
Another vote for the 302 👍🏼
Only do what YOU will like, because if you don't like it, how can anyone else?
That’s true!
Mine use to be that clean and not scratched up 😢Blueprint engine…warranty means something to the buyer. Blue print has a pretty good name in the industry. Not many people I know that I like the way they build an engine. He said “Stroke it”…..not a flat tapped….ask Mitch. You might think about putting in extra hoses to the fuel tank. I didn’t and had to drop the tank again when I made changes. Return line etc..You always seem so calm….don’t you ever just loose it?
Haha! I don’t often loose it, but sometimes I throw tools.
I feel very similar. Someone buying this would probably want a warranty
I’m currently doing a Godzilla build. I’d do it all over again, but I don’t think it suits your build. We’re still on the front end of parts availability, which means costs and delays. Prior to that I was going to install a 427W Stroker. Again an engine I’d take over a Coyote. But if you’re building to sale, the Coyote is where you’re going to make your money, and you won’t need to install a Quick 6 (assuming you go with a 6R80 or 10R80).
A Godzilla would be awesome
I would go with a crate engine.
Another vote for blueprint 👍🏼
My vote is for the 306 engine with that automatic tranny you have with the atlas transfer case, and install the EFI on it to then run your fuel lines
Another vote for the Blueprint 👍🏼
I do like an atlas, but is it worth it on a pavement princess?
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco yeah I know what you mean, you never know what the next person wants to do with the bronco though
Truth
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco most people are just going drive it on pavement I’d go with the Dana 20 transfer case, maybe even twin stick if you feel like it
Having the numbers matching drivetrain really isn't that important when your building a custom Bronco. My vote is for a 306/347 crate engine. Why put money into rebuilding the old 2 bolt main 302 block when everything else your doing looks to be pretty trick.
There's nothing stock about my 72 restoration so I wasn't concerned about having the original block in it. I went with a Dart SBF 427 stroker crate engine, it Dynoed @570HP and a Gearstar AOD, EFI, and custom axles on 37's.
I think I've used about 10-12 of the orginal parts, like the frame, tub, hardtop, glove box door etc. Im putting the body back on the chassis for the final time Tuesday then the only thing left to do is everything, lol
Wow! Yeah that’s a good point. Another vote for the Blueprint 👍🏼
How about a professional engine shop rebuilding the stock 302?
That’s a good option too!
I think if you had a smoke machine you would have nailed that intro….
Hahahahaha!!!!
Get a crate engine. You’ll be money ahead. Rebuilds are expensive especially machine work and time consuming. 302. Factory EFI. Parts are plentiful at supply houses.
347 stroker with sniper injection, keep it in the ballpark for most potential buyers, go Coyote or Godzilla and there goes 70% of people that want a Bronco.
Raffle it off, you'll make more$$$$
What would you go with?
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco Roller 302
Yeah, another vote for 302 👍🏼
I am rebuilding a ‘65 F-250 4x4. Having said that, I am building this truck for Me and I have no intentions of selling it. I really don’t care what it costs, within reason. You are a little different story, as You are going to sell this rig. In My experience, restomod is another word for expensive, and the actual changes You make to the vehicle, can and will affect the build in a lot more than the actual component You are working on. When it comes to engines, If You are going to sell this car, I would be, fairly conservative, and put a engine that has good performance, but goes well with what was traditionally in these to begin with. A snappy 302 would not be a bad choice. Keep in mind You can get a lot of money in those too, but will probably have fewer custom changes to the front half of Your chassis, than a Coyote, or Godzilla. From My truck rebuild, I am going with what I would call a moderate build. Poorboy 410, (390, with a 428 crank). It still will end up being $15,000-$16,000, by the time it is complete. 300 horsepower in a car as light as a Bronco, will not be a pig. FYI, if You haven’t started on the engine, get going, as good engine builders are usually pretty busy, and in My case I was told, it would take 6 months to completion. Love Your videos! Wish My build was going as fast, but have been My own worst enemy, in putting modern components in an old truck that was not designed for them, and there has been many items that have taken a lot more time than I thought it would, and cost more, just like You said at the first part of this video.
I’m my worst enemy too. Too many decisions and I get stuck. Thanks for watching
IMHO the Coyote is too large for the Bronco engine bay and the performance benefit isn’t worth the expense. I’d stick with a Windsor. I’d also run an aftermarket multi port EFI that can control the 4R70W. I have a 95 Explorer power train now. It’s great, but most of the electronics are 27 years old…
Another for the stock engine 👍🏼
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco I don’t know about original block vs reman. Would need to compare the costs and time.
Stay as close to original as possible
Stroke it. "That's what she said." Sorry lol
Hahaha!
Rebuilt the engine
Another Vote for using the stock engine 👍🏼
Godzilla. Duh 🙄🙄
Rebuild original engine
Another for original engine 👍🏼
I can’t believe your gonna put all that time and money into it and sell it. That’s sad man
So sad. I agree
To not put a coyote in that would be a waste.
Another vote for a Coyote 👍🏼
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco Yea if I was building it for myself it'd get a predator coyote with a sequential 6spd. But since you're trying to sell it for profit, a regular coyote will probably get you the best bang for your buck.
Honestly I would love to put the Godzilla in there, but I would rather get this done quick and sell it
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco I'd take a coyote over the godzilla. A coyote is 150+lbs lighter and makes similar power. Plus the bronco is so light and has such a small wheel base it'll never tow something that requires the lower rpm torque of the godzilla anyway.
The 3.5L turbo ecoboost is probably the correct motor for the first gen bronco, it makes 350hp and 450ft/lbs, weighs the same as the coyote, but depending on how you plumb it, its smaller size would make it easier to wrench on in the engine bay.
Think I'd still take the coyote over the ecoboost tho, just cause v8...
Yeah, that’s so true. Those Ecoboost are super cheap too. But I agree, everyone wants a V8