Natalia Grace #17 - (Period) - Therapist Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2024
- Dr. Kirk Honda reacts to the documentary about Natalia Grace. Includes clips from The Curious Case of Natalia Grace.
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Every time they brough up one of her "bizarre" behaviors i kept yelling at the tv because no child behaves like that out if the blue it is taught and shown to them. She really probably experienced so much abuse before she even before she went to the Barnett's house
Same!!!
Right. I kept thinking whyyyy are you acting like this child is some alien monster- it’s called abuse and trauma
While I understand Michael had never menstruated before, it’s ridiculous that he would believe and/or perpetuate such an absurd story. As if covering up a period is as easy as just eating the blood and evidence. And even if it was true, it’s kind of shitty for him to use it to vilify Natalia
I cannot imagine how a therapist holds themselves together when hearing such horrendous stories of abuse such as this one. I am so angry with this films producers because this story should have been told with so much more grace and sensitivity shown to the victims (Natalia and her adoptive brothers). Instead it was sensationalized and somewhat abusive in itself. I realize Natalia probably agreed to film in order to earn some money and perhaps feel like her story was truly heard but everyone has failed her - the adoption agency, her parents, her therapists, the film producers, the courts! My God! I cannot imagine how she trusts anyone in this world anymore! 😢
How are they not in jail for s3xual abuse of a minor
They should be. Michael is absolutely complicit. I don’t buy his victim story
Ethics around competency were just drilled into me in my degree program. It’s horrifying that so many therapists write letters outside of their actual experience or training! I know the intent is good but the hubris is awful😕
Sorry for the language, but this is completely fxcked. Hope Natalia is healing today.
I really like this series. Your comments brings lots of value to this.
Seconding!
Michael is a liar. I don't trust him. I don't care if people say he was a victim. Even if slightly a victim, as a grown man, he could have reached out for help for a child, Natalia. He does have mental illnesses but a victim, no way. Lying. The nerve he wants Natalia to feel he had it just as bad as her, a tiny small person, when he is Big and physically stronger than Christine. I think he studied how to fool others into thinking he is a victim. Bull.
Fully agree
I love how season 1 went through most of the episodes praising Christine as a wife and mother. How their life and marriage was a fairytale. Everything was perfect until the evil Natalia came in the picture....or until he wanted to change the narrative after all the backlash and now he needs to be looked at as a victim too. He very well could be a victim, but for him to put himself on the same level of victim as Natalia is disgusting. Both Barnett's should be in jail
@@lomoliving5528 I agree. It was sexual abuse to force a child to use a tampon. But I guess it would be considered heresy in a court since no proof. Michael is an actor, even therapist can be fooled, but street smart people usually have better instincts.
I can't watch any of the footage. I am so angry.
10:30 'There was a robust amount of mental support and self care at this agency because of how stressful it is'. Great! I really, really wish there was more of this for first responders, firefighters, doctors and police as well. These jobs are often wall to wall trauma and when you lose your faith in humanity, you just can do a terrible job helping people and can do so much damage. I think the world would be so much better if these professions had more robust cultures of mental health support.
I just can't with this one. It just kills me. I can't wrap my head around anyone believing that " eating' a period is possible. I mean , maybe it is possible, all sorts of bodies out there but I am just confused as how this sounds remotely normal to a grown adult.
I don't get how that's possible either. To me, that really sounded like something made up by someone who doesn't understand how periods work.
And also, if she was already in the bathroom she would have just washed it off. Taking the lie to the extreme is just what makes them seem so unbelievable. I wish the Barnett's were in jail
SO TRUE itis RIDICLOUS! I don't understand the logic behind their ridiculous mindset.
"You a damn lie!" is what I exclaimed when I heard him tell that story of eating the period. And I stand by my exclamation.🤬
A tampon??? WHY didn't she explain and help her use maxi pads????? BECAUSE she didn't want to deal with the mess that is why- UGH! HOW HORRID for this little girl! I cannot stomach it....
Because she knew a pad wouldn’t have anything on it…. Forcing in a tampon in will absolutely cause tearing and bleeding that she could then use as evidence of a period
who would force a child to use a tampon if she had her period?! She wanted to say "see, you are an adult"
Oh man. You brought up a LOT of topics that are hard for me. I see a trauma based therapist and it’s hard knowing how much they deal with. I was also in a place where my husbands ex wife tried to claim that he was abusing their child and she tried so hard to get therapist to get on her side. I am so thankful that everyone she saw had the moral standing not to do that.
Wasn't there a report that Natalia had a "sexual relationship", meaning she was being sexually abused, by a worker in a hospital or some other place?
3:14 This is sexual abuse
Absolutely!
Yes. It is. I’m disgusted and so sad for her.
True most girl don't fully feel comfortable using tampons there first year and accidentally harming yourself with one is common
Yep...this triggers me...love you dr h but i hv to skip these😢
When I first saw a real diagnostic therapist (prior it was councilors or what not), after all the tests they had me do she told me that if I was seen as a child she would have Dx me with RAD but she was not going to dx me as to not stigmatize me. She used CBT I believe it was. After I improved drastically she moved me to a new therapist that was just more come in and talk and drink coffee and she just would ask me "what would happen if you did?" a lot. In total I was in therapy every week for two years and then eow for like 6 months or something. I'm still confused though about the diagnostic criteria though, I don't understand if something is wrong with me, so deep that i will never be ok. I can work to be the best version of me all i want but if I'm wearing broken glasses how do I even know where to look?
Michel is such a sick liar. His histrionic acting makes me pause, I can’t watch it.
I'm not sure I understand what Natalia was made to do. It doesn't make sense to me. She was made to eat her menstrual blood? What?? Can someone please explain exactly what happened here?
Apparently.
That was the story Christine forced her to tell.
Her adopted mother made Natalia lie and say she was really an adult. And as an adult woman would have her period. But since she was actually a child, there was no evidence of having a period, such as blood, menstrual products, stains, anything. So to account for that, the mother had her tell the lie that no one saw the blood because natalia would eat/lick it up so no one would see. Then she made Natalia put a tampon in her child sized va***a.
I don't understand what is meant by that either. English isn't my first language.
Litterally eat? Put in your mouth and swallow?
How, what, why...?
Obviously horrible, whatever exactly was going on.
7:30 sounds like SYbil's mother
Omg , buddy you stand in the woods and see no trees!
She creeps me out
Is that you're common response to a disabled person?
@@BoringTaff i I am a disabled person
@@BoringTaff it's her behavior that creeps me out
I really and truly wish you wouldn't schill BetterHelp. You're around youtube, you're surely aware of the controversy around it and the low quality of care often provided through it. Not to mention the platform itself pays poorly to therapists.
You could use your platform and following for awareness around this issue, but it seems you too are rather blinded by the referral money :(
100% agreed. They are also turning everyone into victims, to keep them down, to keep paying for substandard care. But I learned not to put anyone on a pedestal. He is only human and making $$$. I take what I like and leave the rest. The money is tempting to a man to put his family even more financial secure. He is not perfect but none of us are....Hopefully, he finds a better sponsor.
3:42 You said most parents who abuse their kids are not psychopathic. What about sadistic? Is it typical for parents to enjoy corporal punishment? How would you explain the thousands of parents on social media praising other parents for being openly abusive to their children? For example, Ruby Franke at one point had over 2 million followers. I’ve seen horrible acts of violence parents just feel completely justified to put online to, I’m assuming, humiliate their child AND receive thousands of comments from parents who praise them or say they would have done worse to their own kid. Can you help us understand that phenomenon? It’s truly gut wrenching. 😢
I can't speak for Dr. Honda, but I'll let you know what I saw in my work as a therapist: Very, very few people are truly psychopathic or sadistic. Parents who perpetrate these kinds of abuse often feel it's what "should" be done or "the thing to do" or "the best for the child" etc. Some never learned another way. A sadist gets pleasure from another person's pain which is not what most abusive parents exhibit. It's disturbing, make no mistake of it. But it's a different problem than psychopathy or sadism - and if a parent is willing to learn better parenting, one that can be fixed/addressed.
The description of Kristine isn't that she gets pleasure from Natalia's punishments - she is simply indifferent to Natalia's pain or believes the punishments are necessary. Very disturbing for certain. Going only on what has been shown, she has some serious issues that boil down to an extreme type of self-centeredness.
@@kontzelI think there are far more sadistic parents than can be imagined, because they rarely wind up getting caught and the victims rarely get help before adulthood.
@@kontzel Thank you for your thoughtful response and sharing your insights!! I suspect a good portion of us who watch Dr. Honda’s channel have experienced abuse from parents, and I don’t know about others but for me, it can be hard to hear that there is no personality disorder or something more serious going on that’s out of a parent’s control. That would feel more understandable in a way. How the parent was socialized and what models of behavior they had growing is out of their control, but the difference is they have choices and their children do not. Unless a parent is living in a distorted sense of reality or has some sort of empathy impairment, how does a parent willingly beat their kid with a belt while they audibly sob, scream at them that they’re a worthless waste of space while seeing the dejected look on their child’s face, or watching them starve as their bones protrude??? How can someone look into their child’s eyes and feel good about hurting them (not good as in deriving pleasure, but good they “taught em a lesson” or the kid deserved it)? What I see (as a lay person with zero mental health credentials so my opinion is not worth much lol) is resentment. Resentment toward their child that develops into contempt, which makes it easier to feel justified carrying out abuse as if it’s a reasonable response that any other reason person would do under the same circumstances; despite seeing other reasonable people around them NOT abusing their children. Thats where the whole “it’s what my parents taught me” thing falls short for me. That math ain’t mathin unless the person is totally socially isolated within a cult or something similar like a high control religion. There’s a reason child abusers don’t get to use their upbringing as an excuse in the courts. They’re held to the reasonable person standard.
So are you and Dr. Honda saying there is no such thing as innate empathy? Empathy doesn’t exist without someone to teach it to you? It is a 100% learned skill? That’s what I think I’m personally super confused about.
Side note: I do believe you and Dr. Honda, that most parents are not abusive because they’re psychopaths. That’s reflected in other data as well, for example, the prevalence of “unwanted child filicide/infanticide” is about 2.5%, which is close to the prevalence of ASPD in the general population. The way people talk on the internet you’d think like 1 in 3 ppl are psychopaths. 🤦🏻♀️