Poor grip or limp wristing the gun: I do not know if that will happen with bear loads and not have the gun fly out of your hands. I have never had a pistol fail to function because of limp wristing, but I have never tried it. I would suspect that the ammo was not compatible with his glock. It also depends on just how cold was it and if the lube froze up. Only a bare minimum of lube is needed for a glock to function.
Good review and of lessons learned. Some of the 10mm bear loads use very heavy wide flat nose bullets. Always run several mags through to confirm reliable feeding and extraction.
Some folks simply don't understand the implications of choosing a unproven defense. Even then proper practicing/ training saves lives. Sounds like this guy did at least this! Thanks for the stories! ❤
This is the problem with 10mm semi autos for bear defense. The rounds required for good bear defense (heavier, hard cast) are much more prone to failures. When I try to explain this to the younger generation they call me a boomer and tell me how they have "put 500 rounds through their gun without any failures". I have lived in Montana for 32 years. I carry a revolver.
Yeah, I agree, there are some really hot loads in 10mm that can cause problems in guns. I am living in Alaska for 40 years, I carry my 4.2" Redhawk when camping or in the Bush. Thanks for watching!
Have been using my G40 for years now and have put plenty of underwood 200gr hard cast through it and have had no issues. Carry what you are comfortable with
@@offcamber782 I think the longer barrel of the G40 works better with the heavier ammo. However, just remember that in bear defense situations your shooting mechanics will be altered drastically, thus creating poor technique and making semi autos prone to failure. You might not limp wrist at the range but when you are running backwards while shooting sideways against an attacking bear it happens.
@@megamilyon6111 this is a fair point and adrenaline can throw a monkey wrench in what should be a simple task. Just like how shooting from a bench with your elk rifle is fine but does nothing for you when in a compromised position staring down the bull of a lifetime, I also believe in training with whatever you carry in stressful environments within reason of course.
I have done some hunting in Wyoming and one thing I have learned is that even on a daily basis, your firearm can get very dirty and dusty from busting brush. Cleaning and lubing your firearms should be a nightly occurrence to keep them in good working order no matter what action or style.
Before I spent 6 months in alaska in 2023, I researched 10 mm pistols. Nearly every review said glock 10 mm will do this unless you modify it for the hardcast(barrel, spring). I purchased a 1911 in 10 mm. Prior heading to AK I fired 300 180 grain rounds, and two boxes of hardcast and extreme penetrator ammo, not a single jam. Just saying I like my 5 inch 1911. I trusted it in the wilderness.
I can validate the glock ,with heavy loads , works consistently with a 22lb recoil spring. The stock 17lb seems to enhance a failure to feed issue. I have a gen 4- 20 And it seems to be a well known solution
@offcamber782 good choice there's a guy that does 10mm reviews in bear country. Underwood didn't jam like buffalo bore. The 220 grain jammed seemed to hot
Gun Sam has talked about his Glock 20 jamming a fair amount during testing. I know he has also mentioned in the past having arthritis issues. This may be affecting how well he grips the weapon. Though if a stronger grip is necessary for proper cycling of a more powerful semi-auto, test firing single handedly should be considered. Since it is possible under dire circumstances it may be necessary to fire in that manner. A magnum revolver or possibly an all-steel semi-auto pistol(which due to the heavier weight may be more forgiving of the user's grip) might be worth considering as an alternative.
I wonder about his decision to keep quiet while the bear was at distance, instead of standing up and making noise. Maybe making his presence known at distance would have triggered an avoidance response, rather than a short range charge out of surprise? And also allowed time to deploy bear spray?
Yeah, I didn't talk about that, but I think I would have made noise as soon as I identified them as Grizzlies. Don't have to yell, just normal talking, I have done this here in Alaska. I did not read at what distance he first saw them but letting them get to 10 yards is way too close. Thanks for watching!
Yes bad move. Never suprise a grizzly especially a sow with cubs at close range. Ive stayed hidden and let them pass at distance like 100 yards or more but never let them come in closer than about 80 yards without letting them know your there.
I run Lone Wolf BBLs, fully supported chambers, shorter feed ramp. Have had feed issues with 210gr ammo. I only run 180gr hard cast for bear defense. No feed issues.
I had a Glock 40 - 10mm long slide that jammed a lot from everyone that shot it (5 different people). Got rid of it and got G20. No issues at all with G20 and hot loads. I think the long slides are just less reliable.
Glocks are known for being reliable the grip was most likely the cause but chances are his grip was fine but being charged by a bear i would imagine he didn’t have the most firm one so he most likely limp wrist the glock and ended up jamming under the pressure of getting attacked by a 1200 lbs grizzly but still thats why id rather have the good’ ol AK especially in the woods
@@30-06john exactly ammo is also very important and also the maintenance of the weapon but all things considered the best possible outcome so more power too yal. Ofc and thanks for making great videos we love what you do, and look forward to more exciting new adventures
Hard cast or limp wrist , in that situation it was probably the wrist/grip which is something to pay attention to , that with a revolver that does not exist ...
Always measure , then shoot a brand that feeds. It's always a problem. Some factories don't use common sence and quality control. It's just a fraction of an inch but it does matter. Find what cycles before you go out. Measure and try and use match ammo. It does matter. Reload your own .
This is my issue with semi autos in theory there just as if not more reliable but in practice there are some many mistakes you can make that will cause the gun not to fire when you want it to.grip it wrong. Press the muzle against something, accidently press the slide lock ,mag release or safety and it wont fire or forget to chamber the first round ,grip the gun wrong etc.
Some G29’s are “out of spec” and will lock open when they get hot. Two to six shots no problem, seven to more and it happened regularly. Tolerances too tight someplace, tolerance stacking probably. Had one. It’s real.
I was an LEO for over 27 years, I'm now retired, and I saw semi autos in calibers ranging from .22 to .45 jam for reasons ranging from "limp wristing", failed parts (mostly magazines), and weak/underloaded ammo. I daily carry a pistol chambered in .40 Stout & Wicked BUT I ALWAYS carry two extra magazines as I learned that ANY semi auto pistol WILL eventually fail its owner with magazines being the most common failure point. My pistol has yet to "jam" with any brand of ammo or bullet weight or design nor with any magazine I own. However, experience has proven, to my personal and professional satisfaction, that one day, preferably on a range, it WILL fail for one reason or another. And that is why, when I was still "section hiking" the AT I left my semi autos behind and toted a revolver and at least two speed loaders for emergencies involving either two or four legged critters.
No matter what you shot, you need to do some studies on what fires best through your type of gun or rifle. RUclips has many amazing videos to help. Thank You for another awesome video.
In my mind the bottom line is He had a Glock and the bear's dead and he still alive. If he didn't have the "Glock" he'd probably be dead . One things certain bear spray would NOT have kept him alive!
Glock 20 aint reliable with full power ammo. Ive been saying it for years after i had alot of malfunctions with my gen 3 then gen 4 with the full power. Glock customer service even said are pistols ain't made to shoot that ammo it works fine with cci blazer lol. I swapped to xdm elite 10mms and never looked back and never had a malfunction with any ammo. My glocks have been permanently retired from grizzly defense for years now. They do shoot low and mid power perfectly but not true 10mm. If you insist on carrying a glock 20 do yourself a favor limit the power to 550 ft lbs or less. Reliability is more important than power in this circumstance better yet get one of the other reliable 10mms being made actually designed to shoot the full power stuff.
@@fkrr5 Much as I like 1911’s, the grip safety is their downfall. It’s why I prefer a revolver with non-finger groove wood grips. It’s ready to fire no matter how I grab it.
I've seen a Ruger 10/22 fail due to a broken ejector, a S&W revolver fail for light primer strike, a Mossberg 930 fail for light ammo, etc. Train for it is good advice.
Improper grip is a big cause of jamming.
Wouldn’t that indicate a design issue. Your defensive weapon needs to function under any circumstance.
Understanding the issues of poor grip, and how to prevent it, is critical in using a self defense handgun! Thanks for watching!
@@876mpr
Shhhhhh……..stop pointing out facts. Ur hurting the glokbois
@@876mpr lol...what a tool
Poor grip or limp wristing the gun: I do not know if that will happen with bear loads and not have the gun fly out of your hands. I have never had a pistol fail to function because of limp wristing, but I have never tried it.
I would suspect that the ammo was not compatible with his glock.
It also depends on just how cold was it and if the lube froze up. Only a bare minimum of lube is needed for a glock to function.
Good review and of lessons learned. Some of the 10mm bear loads use very heavy wide flat nose bullets. Always run several mags through to confirm reliable feeding and extraction.
Yep, I agree! And thanks for watching!
I learned about 10 years ago that G20s are best with 180 to 200 grain loads. I stay away from 220s bc they frequently hang up, in my experience.
Thanks for watching!
Some folks simply don't understand the implications of choosing a unproven defense.
Even then proper practicing/ training saves lives. Sounds like this guy did at least this!
Thanks for the stories! ❤
Yep, got to make sure ones handgun is reliable! Take care CW!
Had a 3rd gen G20 and a Dan Wesson 1911 style 10mm, both jammed. I went the magnum revolver route for reliability,,,
Revolvers will work! Thanks for watching!
Ammo and/or grip. What ammo were you running?
This is the problem with 10mm semi autos for bear defense. The rounds required for good bear defense (heavier, hard cast) are much more prone to failures. When I try to explain this to the younger generation they call me a boomer and tell me how they have "put 500 rounds through their gun without any failures". I have lived in Montana for 32 years. I carry a revolver.
Yeah, I agree, there are some really hot loads in 10mm that can cause problems in guns. I am living in Alaska for 40 years, I carry my 4.2" Redhawk when camping or in the Bush. Thanks for watching!
Have been using my G40 for years now and have put plenty of underwood 200gr hard cast through it and have had no issues. Carry what you are comfortable with
@@offcamber782 I think the longer barrel of the G40 works better with the heavier ammo. However, just remember that in bear defense situations your shooting mechanics will be altered drastically, thus creating poor technique and making semi autos prone to failure. You might not limp wrist at the range but when you are running backwards while shooting sideways against an attacking bear it happens.
@@megamilyon6111 this is a fair point and adrenaline can throw a monkey wrench in what should be a simple task. Just like how shooting from a bench with your elk rifle is fine but does nothing for you when in a compromised position staring down the bull of a lifetime, I also believe in training with whatever you carry in stressful environments within reason of course.
Lehigh/Underwood/WC Xtreme Penetrators and Ft. Scott TUIs are flawless. Test them through your individual gun, though.
I have done some hunting in Wyoming and one thing I have learned is that even on a daily basis, your firearm can get very dirty and dusty from busting brush. Cleaning and lubing your firearms should be a nightly occurrence to keep them in good working order no matter what action or style.
Yep, have to maintain ones firearm! Thanks for watching!
Before I spent 6 months in alaska in 2023, I researched 10 mm pistols. Nearly every review said glock 10 mm will do this unless you modify it for the hardcast(barrel, spring). I purchased a 1911 in 10 mm. Prior heading to AK I fired 300 180 grain rounds, and two boxes of hardcast and extreme penetrator ammo, not a single jam. Just saying I like my 5 inch 1911. I trusted it in the wilderness.
Yep, got to test and make sure your firearm is reliable! Thanks for watching!
I can validate the glock ,with heavy loads , works consistently with a 22lb recoil spring. The stock 17lb seems to enhance a failure to feed issue. I have a gen 4- 20
And it seems to be a well known solution
Hope he recovers well 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Yeah, looks like he will be OK. Take care and thanks for watching!
No mention on barrel. Glocks work if it's kept all original, using normal pressure ammo (aint no 10mm+p), don't use above 200gr bullets....
Personally been using underwood 200 gr hard cast and have had zero issues in mine
Yeah, a lot of aftermarket parts can cause problems! Thanks for watching!
@offcamber782 good choice there's a guy that does 10mm reviews in bear country. Underwood didn't jam like buffalo bore. The 220 grain jammed seemed to hot
Gun Sam has talked about his Glock 20 jamming a fair amount during testing. I know he has also mentioned in the past having arthritis issues. This may be affecting how well he grips the weapon. Though if a stronger grip is necessary for proper cycling of a more powerful semi-auto, test firing single handedly should be considered. Since it is possible under dire circumstances it may be necessary to fire in that manner. A magnum revolver or possibly an all-steel semi-auto pistol(which due to the heavier weight may be more forgiving of the user's grip) might be worth considering as an alternative.
Yep, have to use the firearm that is most reliable! Thanks for watching!
Just to clarify, it's his glock 41 with a conversion barrel. Sam doesn't have a glock 20
I wonder about his decision to keep quiet while the bear was at distance, instead of standing up and making noise. Maybe making his presence known at distance would have triggered an avoidance response, rather than a short range charge out of surprise? And also allowed time to deploy bear spray?
Yeah, I didn't talk about that, but I think I would have made noise as soon as I identified them as Grizzlies. Don't have to yell, just normal talking, I have done this here in Alaska. I did not read at what distance he first saw them but letting them get to 10 yards is way too close. Thanks for watching!
Yes bad move. Never suprise a grizzly especially a sow with cubs at close range. Ive stayed hidden and let them pass at distance like 100 yards or more but never let them come in closer than about 80 yards without letting them know your there.
Interesting Story John... excellent points at the end... basics, basics, basics.
Yep, got to make sure ones basics are covered! Thanks for watching!
IDK about Glocks, my M&P jams occasionally with cast ammo.
That is OK for the range, but making sure one uses reliable ammo for self defense is critical! Thanks for watching!
I run Lone Wolf BBLs, fully supported chambers, shorter feed ramp. Have had feed issues with 210gr ammo.
I only run 180gr hard cast for bear defense. No feed issues.
Thanks for the info, and watching!
I had a Glock 40 - 10mm long slide that jammed a lot from everyone that shot it (5 different people). Got rid of it and got G20. No issues at all with G20 and hot loads. I think the long slides are just less reliable.
Thanks for the info, and watching!
I got a G20 feom the very 1st shipment into the states. It has been utterly reliable even when shooting 40S&W thru it
Thanks for watching!
Glocks are known for being reliable the grip was most likely the cause but chances are his grip was fine but being charged by a bear i would imagine he didn’t have the most firm one so he most likely limp wrist the glock and ended up jamming under the pressure of getting attacked by a 1200 lbs grizzly but still thats why id rather have the good’ ol AK especially in the woods
I have seen Glocks "jam" for one reason or another over the years. Making sure ones handgun and ammo are reliable is critical. Thanks for watching!
@@30-06john exactly ammo is also very important and also the maintenance of the weapon but all things considered the best possible outcome so more power too yal. Ofc and thanks for making great videos we love what you do, and look forward to more exciting new adventures
Hard cast or limp wrist , in that situation it was probably the wrist/grip which is something to pay attention to , that with a revolver that does not exist ...
Yep! Thanks for watching!
Always measure , then shoot a brand that feeds. It's always a problem. Some factories don't use common sence and quality control. It's just a fraction of an inch but it does matter. Find what cycles before you go out. Measure and try and use match ammo. It does matter. Reload your own .
Yep, have to use reliable ammo for ones handgun! Thanks for watching!
This is my issue with semi autos in theory there just as if not more reliable but in practice there are some many mistakes you can make that will cause the gun not to fire when you want it to.grip it wrong. Press the muzle against something, accidently press the slide lock ,mag release or safety and it wont fire or forget to chamber the first round ,grip the gun wrong etc.
True, one has to understand those types of issues. Thanks for watching!
Some G29’s are “out of spec” and will lock open when they get hot.
Two to six shots no problem, seven to more and it happened regularly. Tolerances too tight someplace, tolerance stacking probably.
Had one. It’s real.
Thanks for your info, and watching!
I have a freand was a cop for over 20 years no jams had not heard of one
I was an LEO for over 27 years, I'm now retired, and I saw semi autos in calibers ranging from .22 to .45 jam for reasons ranging from "limp wristing", failed parts (mostly magazines), and weak/underloaded ammo. I daily carry a pistol chambered in .40 Stout & Wicked BUT I ALWAYS carry two extra magazines as I learned that ANY semi auto pistol WILL eventually fail its owner with magazines being the most common failure point. My pistol has yet to "jam" with any brand of ammo or bullet weight or design nor with any magazine I own. However, experience has proven, to my personal and professional satisfaction, that one day, preferably on a range, it WILL fail for one reason or another. And that is why, when I was still "section hiking" the AT I left my semi autos behind and toted a revolver and at least two speed loaders for emergencies involving either two or four legged critters.
I have seen a handful of Glocks "jam" for one reason or another over the years. Thanks for watching!
No matter what you shot, you need to do some studies on what fires best through your type of gun or rifle. RUclips has many amazing videos to help. Thank You for another awesome video.
Making sure that ones handgun is reliable is critically important! Thanks for watching!
10mm in a semi auto is a jam prone scenario.......listen to dan Wesson and other semi auto makers reasoning on why
My XDm 10mm has been very reliable. Thanks for watching!
In my mind the bottom line is He had a Glock and the bear's dead and he still alive. If he didn't have the "Glock" he'd probably be dead . One things certain bear spray would NOT have kept him alive!
Doubtful if Bear spray would have worked, plenty of documented cases were it did not. Thanks for watching!
Glock 20 aint reliable with full power ammo. Ive been saying it for years after i had alot of malfunctions with my gen 3 then gen 4 with the full power. Glock customer service even said are pistols ain't made to shoot that ammo it works fine with cci blazer lol. I swapped to xdm elite 10mms and never looked back and never had a malfunction with any ammo. My glocks have been permanently retired from grizzly defense for years now. They do shoot low and mid power perfectly but not true 10mm. If you insist on carrying a glock 20 do yourself a favor limit the power to 550 ft lbs or less. Reliability is more important than power in this circumstance better yet get one of the other reliable 10mms being made actually designed to shoot the full power stuff.
Yep, I agree! Thanks for watching!
220 grain hardcast? Uncoated?
Unfortunately, I did not find what ammo he was using. Thanks for watching!
I’d say “improper grip” is code for unreliable.
Glocks are def prone to limp wristing
@@fkrr5 Much as I like 1911’s, the grip safety is their downfall. It’s why I prefer a revolver with non-finger groove wood grips. It’s ready to fire no matter how I grab it.
Understanding proper grip and making sure ones handgun is reliable, is critically important! Thanks for watching!
I've seen a Ruger 10/22 fail due to a broken ejector, a S&W revolver fail for light primer strike, a Mossberg 930 fail for light ammo, etc. Train for it is good advice.
Ruger redhawk
That will work! Thanks for watching!